What Are These People Up To ?
These three people are the leaders of the base of the Republican Party today.
All of them are habitual liars , and all of them are leaders in the "white grievance" ideology that has infested conservatism over the past several years (at least).
But I dont want to talk about race, I want to talk about what these people are up to at this moment of time.
Why is Tucker Carlson crusading against the mainstream narrative of Jan 6 at the Capitol? He cannot possibly believe that his view that the invasion of the Capitol was peaceful will ever be adopted by a majority of the American people. As gullible as some people are, the majority knows better than to believe that the insurrectionists were "tourists". On a factual level, Carlson is doomed to failure, some might even say great embarrassment.
Why did Marjorie Taylor Green co-erce Kevin McCarthy into giving the capitol footage to Carlson? Is she stupid enough to believe that this sick revisionist history will actually make it easier for Republicans to win in 2024? I dont believe she is that dumb, although I could be overestimating her intelligence.
Trump, the keystone of this evil cabal , is a tinge in the background in this particular situation, probably more so than he would prefer, but he is still the straw that stirs the drink.
What do they want, the three of them? Election victories? Bills passed? To make liberals cry?
What they want for our country is chaos. What kind of sick fuck invents a narrative where up is down, in is out? Someone who wants to upend reality. Chaos will lead to political anarchy, which will lead to turmoil , eventually turmoil in the streets. Step in the authoritarian figure who will offer "order" if only he is put in power. Carlson will be minister of propaganda in the new regime and Greene will head the Department of National Ethnic and Religious Purity.
If you dont agree with this, tell me what you think they ARE up to, because its nothing like we have ever seen before in this country.
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let's end the apathy about these evil people so we can make America good again.
Once the current administration is voted out of office in 2024 and somebody new is elected it will be a good start. I don't care who it is just as long as they are willing to put the nation and the American people first. The current administration and the previous one certainly have not.
Do you have any "real" examples of how the current administration is not for the American people?
The ones that come to mind are:
1. Failure to shoot down Chinese spy balloons and letting them fly all the way across our country unmolested over sensitive military sites while China and the CCP gained a huge intelligence bonanza. Biden was afraid of antagonizing Xi.
2. Failure to stand up to and hold China accountable for Covid-19.
3. The total debacle and crisis on our open Southern border.
4. Rampant inflation levels the highest in 40 years with increased food prices across the country.
I'm sure I could go on but that's a start.
Balloons flew over the States when trmp was in office
Please list the ways that trmp held China accountable. After all, Covid happened on his watch
It's always been bad
Covid had a lot to do with that because of supply lines. But I do agree it's bad and getting worse
I think Trout answered well enough.
I will add that each & every administration has faced what you are listing in one form, country or another.
Food prices are outrageous, but so many on the right side do not see a living wage as part of the answer. How would you address the inflation?
You see:
bullet # 1 - Pandemic - began under Trump - Biden dealing with the fallout
bullet # 2 - Again under Trump - Biden dealing with the fallout
bullet # 3 - I am sorry, but if we had spent time, money & research on NON-FOSSEL fuels we may have avoided some of the oil dilemma, but Republicans CUT that funding under Trump - so that falls on him
Spy balloons - really???? I can honestly say as an American citizen that was not a worry for me & those around me.
The border - REALLY???? That has always been a problem & always will be a problem.
So what has Biden DONE (not failed to do) - that shows he is not for the American people. What you listed he has failed to do - began WAY before him.
The question was what was the current administration is not doing for the American people. I answered that question as posed.
No, the question was HOW IS THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION NOT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. That was your claim - you said put them first - you did not say anything about doing for...
But you failed to see that many of the problems facing Biden started under the last administration. And the same shit that happens under this one happened under trmp, also.
Ed...you're a reasonable man. Surely you see that a lot of what you listed didn't start with Biden. But he was left with the bag and the pooper scooper. Is Biden doing a great job? No, I wouldn't say he is. I think he's doing the best he can with what he has.
I would like to know just what made trmp a better president than Biden?
I took you off ignore because I was actually curious to see what you had to say. Mistake on my part. Back to ignore. Bye now.
I was called a coward for putting people on ignore.
I will stay a coward but just thought you should know
Look at this.... his accomplishments [ & ] failures - MOST of the failures are due to Republican blocks and bills.
Put me on ignore - I don't know why I am on your ignore since I rarely converse with you, but whatever.... funny how you cannot back up your claims so I go on ignore - [ removed ]
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No, he really isn't.
agree to disagree.
absolutely
that's what friends do
I never said that some of things started with Biden and I know they did not. I am not so interested at pointing fingers on where it started in the past as I am on what is going to be done to fix things that have gone wrong in the here and now. Besides, I stated in post #1.1 that that Trump and Biden both did not put the American people first. I hope that clarifies things.
You have never been called that by me. The difference is we can have a civil conversation and I respect that and I respect you for it. I cannot say the same for some others here. You have a good day.
so you dd. I skipped right over that and didn't read it right. My apologies.
To tell you the truth I want someone besides Biden in 2024. The governor of Maryland is out, he says the field is too crowded. My former governor, Asa Hutchinson, may run. If he does, take a good look at him. I liked him as governor.
No, you haven't. It was said by someone who doesn't respect the fact that I don't wish to converse with him. He mostly wants to be able to insult me where I can read it and then as he likes to put it "have a meltdown". Now that's a coward. He has nothing of substance to say and mainly exists to insult liberals. Not a very nice person, in my view
And whaddaya know....I respect you, too
Is it Veteran's Day again?
Your both good eggs as far as I'm concerned.
“…Back to ignore…”
C’mon doc…of all the people you could ignore (myself included) to dismiss V is to diminish thoughtful and totally honest contributions to any conversation. We need more of her comments.
I think you are, too.
I totally agree with that. It's not like she throws insults around because she has nothing better to contribute
I have my reasons that do not need to be aired here.
There have always been those who profit off chaos and this case is no different. All of them believe they can profit off the chaos. Tucker sells more add time and gets more poorly educated gullible morons to watch his show because he's telling them what they want to hear. MTG is keeping herself in the headlines and positioning herself to lead the rabid brain dead conservative mob as an heir to dirty Donald. And Donald is wallowing in the chaos like a pig in mud, any chaos is better for Donald since it distracts from the very real lawsuits and investigations he's under.
Ultimately I don't think any of them actually want to truly tear up the constitution, though I'm sure Orange Julius would just love to have at it with his sharpie. But seriously, these three are in it for the money and they saw a massive crowd of suckers to milk and they won't let go of that poorly educated gullible conservative teat till the milk runs dry.
I am open to any and all suggestions, because what is happening makes little sense on the political level.
I'm a little bit dubious that it is just the profit motive, Trump and Carlson are already rich, and Greene doesnt strike me as particularly money hungry, but you could be right.
I think Greene is wealthy, too
Many of the politicians in DC on either side of the aisle wealthy and get wealthier the longer they stay in office. It is the nature of the beast.
Yes...and it's wrong for any of them
No good. No good at all.
www.theatlantic.com /newsletters/archive/2023/03/jan-6-carlson-mccarthy/673312/
The January 6 Whitewash Will Backfire
Tom Nichols 11-13 minutes 3/7/2023
Tucker Carlson and the GOP are trying to erase a dark day. Their public-relations gamble is already failing.
March 7, 2023, 6:10 PM ET
House Speaker Kevin McCarthy gave Fox News access to thousands of hours of video from the events of January 6, and Tucker Carlson’s effort to rewrite history isn’t just laughably incompetent; it’s already falling flat.
But first, here are three new stories from The Atlantic .
A Clumsy Gambit
When a mob tried to storm the Capitol on January 6, 2021, congressional Republicans—especially those in the Senate—seemed briefly to understand the magnitude of the events around them. Kevin McCarthy, then the GOP minority leader, said that President Donald Trump bore responsibility for the attack. Even Lindsey Graham swore he was done with Trump.
This new seriousness didn’t last. A year after the attack, most Republicans—including McCarthy— ducked a ceremony at the Capitol marking the anniversary and commemorating the lives lost. McCarthy would later be elected speaker on the say-so of a handful of extremist Republicans—some of whom openly sympathized with the 2021 insurrectionists—who made him grovel through more than a dozen rounds of voting. Insofar as other Republicans can bring themselves to even acknowledge January 6, many of them still portray it as a legitimate protest that somehow got out of hand rather than what it really was: a seditious conspiracy to attack the American system of government, instigated and encouraged by a sitting president of the United States.
Heading into the 2022 midterms, the Republicans hoped that an attempt by their party’s leader to overthrow the constitutional order would be no impediment to regaining national power. The midterms, however, proved that Americans still care about their democracy and that they could not be swayed to trade their freedom away merely because gas prices are too high. At this point, the Republicans are barely holding the House, and Trump is leading the pack of possible GOP presidential candidates while yawping about “ retribution .” Most Americans continue to think January 6 was a terrible day for the United States and that Trump bears at least some responsibility for it.
Not to worry, Republicans. McCarthy and Fox News’s resident pluto-populist Tucker Carlson are on the case. Unfortunately, it’s going about as well as you’d expect from anything that involves the words Kevin McCarthy and Tucker Carlson .
To recap the events of the past few weeks: McCarthy apparently decided that Carlson was the person who could remove the stain of January 6 from the Republican Party. Remember, once Trump was elected in 2016, the GOP was a national majority, holding the House, the Senate, the White House, most governor’s mansions, and most state legislatures across the country. Trump destroyed much of that, and his decision to run again meant that January 6 could not somehow be memory-holed. So the speaker gave the ever-perplexed Carlson access to thousands of hours of video from the attack.
The objective here was clear from the start. If the GOP is going to make a run at national power again, it must find a way to deny the reality of January 6 and neutralize the cloud of seditious stink that still clings to every Republican because of Trump and the insurrectionists. Who better than Carlson to sneer his way through a dismissal of one of the worst days in the history of the United States?
Unfortunately, the attempt to gaslight millions of people isn’t going very well. Carlson, as my colleague David Graham points out , is engaging in a “long-standing Donald Trump approach of demanding that his supporters believe him rather than their lying eyes.” But there are likely limits to that gambit even for Carlson, who is presenting as bombshells things we already knew. It is not a revelation, for example, that the “QAnon Shaman,” Jacob Chansley, walked along with Capitol cops who were trying to keep the fur-hatted weirdo calm even while he was howling in the Senate chamber . Carlson’s attempt to deny the danger of that moment is not only silly but also a gobsmackingly incompetent attempt to use footage depicting a rioter whose bizarre behavior was already well-known to the public.
It’s one thing to assume that the Fox audience isn’t very bright and will believe almost anything—I will gladly stipulate to that—but it’s another to ask them to leap across a chasm of credulity. Sedition-friendly Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, for example, tried to capitalize on Carlson’s after-school-video special by immediately calling for a new trial for Chansley. But even Fox viewers probably know that Chansley wasn’t convicted in a trial: He loquaciously pleaded guilty and got a stiff sentence of 41 months in prison.
I realize that, for many reasons, I am not Carlson’s target demographic. (He’s not much of a fan of my work either.) But when Republican members of Congress are pushing back on a major propaganda effort to help … well, to help the future fortunes of Republican members of Congress, things are not going well. You might have expected someone like Senator Mitt Romney of Utah to zing Carlson, and he did, saying the Fox host had gone “off the rails” and describing him as a radio “shock jock.” But conservative Senators Kevin Cramer of North Dakota and Mike Rounds of South Dakota both criticized Carlson. (Even Senate Minority Leader and ongoing profile in courage Mitch McConnell carefully opined that Fox “made a mistake” in depicting January 6 in a way that was “completely at variance” with how the head of the Capitol Police “correctly” described the day.) Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina said Carlson’s presentation was “inexcusable” and, for good measure, “bullshit.”
Trump, of course, thanked both Carlson and McCarthy. Because, really, if the point was to reassure the American public about whether the GOP is still in the grip of violent seditionists, what better way to do it than to clumsily cherry-pick some video and then elicit an all-caps tirade from the leader of the Republican Party?
Well then. As Sonny Bunch from The Bulwark wryly observed this morning: “Going to be kind of funny to watch GOP candidates dance around acknowledging that the presidential frontrunner and the party’s semi-official media organ are more or less pro-storming-the-Capitol at this point.”
As counterintuitive as it might be, perhaps the best thing for American democracy would be for Carlson to keep bumbling his way through more January 6 footage and to keep images of the insurrection in front of millions of viewers for as long as possible. If that’s how McCarthy and Carlson intend to restore the image of the GOP as a normal political party, who are any of us to argue with such public-relations geniuses?
I can't disagree with that.
Clumsy gambit? That's too subtle
Too bad so sad if the truth hurts the feelings of those mired in the gop.
No time to wallow in the mire.
Those mired in gop should get out of the gop before it's too late!
Exactly, but to:
Try now, they can only lose
And their love become a funeral pyre
I knew Jim Morrison. Jim Morrison was a friend of mine. And you, sir, are no Jim Morrison!
Exactly:
I certainly don't give any credence to any of that.
"Time is vicious when you waste it!"
From Bugsy Siegel in the movie "Bugsy."
The vast majority of the peaceful demonstrators were simply spectators instead of participants in the riot that the government intelligence reports predicted. These warnings were ignored by the authorities. They were just along for the experience...tourists, if you will.
The marchers did not break into the Capitol Bldg, but were let in by the Capitol Police. The small number of troublemakers have been charged and adjudicated. The vast majority of Americans citizens noted this kerfuffle and have moved on. An unhinged minority of radical leftists persist in calling this event the worst day in American history, but that day is yet to come.
Seek some help.
Of course not. Most troops are smart to recognize truth when they see it.
Such a restriction would violate the First Amendment.
It's the only thing showing on base wherever you go. Clinic, gym, any type of service...
I thought our military was "woke".
phhffftttt....
I hang around with retired old Air Force farts...they aint woke
Not the rank & file. Only the flag officers seeking promotion.
Just like the FBI.
But you know all that John, don't you?
Who the hell is Hans?
He asked me the same question about you.
By the way, from his comment on twitter, I would guess he is a right winger who was disappointed in Carlsons failure.
He should be fired
Ron Filipkowski
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Wait, I thought Tucker was going to show us J6 was all Antifa? The best he’s got is that other people were hauling ass besides Josh Hawley, and the cops didn’t try and restrain the QAnon Shaman? And Sicknick didn’t collapse and die until later? That’s it? Anything else?
Wow!
Sorry you were disappointed.
The Dominion Trial has shown how the Fox News staff really felt about Trump's claim of election fraud. Tucker had a lot to say about him.
'I hate him passionately': Tucker Carlson was fed up with Trump after the 2020 election
Can one hate the way Trump refused to accept the 2020 election results and also hate the way the Jan 6th Committee conducted itself?
You should go for the trifecta and hate what Tucker has done also. [Deleted]
Rupert really showed his true feelings every day...by allowing trmp to have a platform and his own mouth pieces
Rupert should have put him on ignore!