"Good people on both sides"
What are the two sides in the conflict? Israel vs. terrorists ? Jews vs Arabs? Israel against psychopathic religion driven violent fanatics? Palestinian women and children vs righteous retribution ? Modernity vs ignorance? Powerfulness vs hopelessness? Or something else?
The world is watching what is going on in Israel and Gaza today.
Dozens of people are reported to have been killed by a huge explosion at Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza.
Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said at least 50 people were killed and 150 wounded by an Israeli air strike, which it denounced as a "horrific massacre".
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You have to wonder how anyone could think all this is going to end in "peace".
At the end of World War II the world was exhausted, everyone was glad it was over, even the people of the countries that started it. I dont think we see that same sort of exhaustion today. The religion based hate is not exhausted, the racism is not exhausted, the distrust is not exhausted.
I was listening to the Charlie Sykes podcast this morning, and they were talking about the Israeli response to the Oct 7th butchery. What is Israel's responsibility, they asked. The guest , a politically moderate pundit/writer named Will Saletan, said to the effect of 'they are the good guys and they have to act like the good guys' if they dont they arent the good guys anymore.
Israel has a righteous, justifiable, desire to respond to Oct 7th and to do the best they can to prevent something like that from happening again, but if they dont act like "the good guys" it will only make things worse.
This has all gone on for 75 years, and there is fault to both sides. I saw a video this morning of clips of anti Arab racism inside Israel. It exists, dont say it doesnt. There is anti-semitic racism from the other side, obviously.
A song lyric from 58 years ago
The Eastern world, it is explodin'
Violence flarin', bullets loadin'
...You don't believe in war, but what's that gun you're totin'?
And even the Jordan river has bodies floatin'
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I think they should greatly expand the Gaza area, and give incentives for all the Palestinians in the west bank and other places in Israel to move down there and have a new nation created there. Then put up a 1000 foot high wall between the two countries. Who will pay for all this ? The world's richest countries.
Say "this is it", we're done.
You do realize that they were offered this in 1947 and the Arabs who lived there (they were not called Palestinians then), turned it down and left the area and hoped that 5 other Arab nations would blow Isreal off the map, or did you forget this?
They were offered this more recently with Obama, and the PA turned up its nose at just recognizing Israel.
I'm all for a two state solution, but apparently one side does not want it.
You said that that you watched a video this morning of clips of anti Arab racism inside Israel.
Israeli TV does not have show like this to for children.
My friend, whom I just recently learned is Palestinian (ahead of the October 7 incident) informed me just last Wednesday (yesterday) that Palestinians want Israel gone from the region or if not gone, an acceptable alternative would be to go back to the 1967 borders between the two people. From what I surmise, they, Palestinians want their 'ancestral' lands back from Israel, he says.
I told him that Israel says they are not going anywhere, as they have no where else to be.
So, it would seen they're all 'stuck' together for the duration. (Sigh.) And so, the world is 'stuck,' too. Watching and interacting with the two peoples.
"Dozens of people are reported to have been killed by a huge explosion at Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry said at least 50 people were killed and 150 wounded by an Israeli air strike, which it denounced as a "horrific massacre".
It sounds like another Hamas trick, since they have shown that they don't care about the Palestinian. Israel wouldn't knowingly strike a refugee camp.
Anyone who believes that information that comes from any Hamas "authority" to be true and trusted is a useful idiot and dopey dupe.
Israel has admitted that they hit the refugee camp, but they are blaming Hamas for building tunnels under it. Hamas says 400 people were killed. Looking at the photo that doesnt necessarily seem far fetched. There are at least three bomb craters in the photo.
I wondered whose idea it was to put a refugee camp in Northern Gaza. Convenient thought to the senior Hamas commander that was targeted there. Convenient until it wasn’t.
And ANOTHER song...
Neighborhood Bully
by Bob Dylan
Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man,
His enemies say he's on their land.
They got him outnumbered about a million to one,
He got no place to escape to, no place to run.
He's the neighborhood bully.
The neighborhood bully just lives to survive,
He's criticized and condemned for being alive.
He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin,
He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in.
He's the neighborhood bully.
The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land,
He's wandered the earth an exiled man.
Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn,
He's always on trial for just being born.
He's the neighborhood bully.
Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized,
Old women condemned him, said he should apologize.
Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad.
The bombs were meant for him.
He was supposed to feel bad.
He's the neighborhood bully.
Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim
That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him,
'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back
And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac.
He's the neighborhood bully.
He got no allies to really speak of.
What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love.
He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied
But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side.
He's the neighborhood bully.
Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace,
They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease.
Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly.
To hurt one they would weep.
They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep.
He's the neighborhood bully.
Every empire that's enslaved him is gone,
Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon.
He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand,
In bed with nobody, under no one's command.
He's the neighborhood bully.
Now his holiest books have been trampled upon,
No contract he signed was worth what it was written on.
He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth,
Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health.
He's the neighborhood bully.
What's anybody indebted to him for?
Nothin', they say.
He just likes to cause war.
Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed,
They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed.
He's the neighborhood bully.
What has he done to wear so many scars?
Does he change the course of rivers?
Does he pollute the moon and stars?
Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill,
Running out the clock, time standing still,
Neighborhood bully.
I consider this statement in the article to be very telling...
A HUGE explosion, obviously not the usual explosions that occur from Israeli bombs and missiles. Now why would that be? Could it be because the Israeli bomb hit and detonated a HUGE cache of explosives, missiles and weapons in the tunnels under the camp, and in fact maybe even a facility for the making of rockets and missiles? At this point the whole world KNOWS that Hamas hides its facilities and weapons in churches, mosques, schools and hospitals. so why not under a refugee camp? After all, Hamas has already established that it uses human shields, and what shield would be better than a crowded refugee camp loaded with kids who could be killed and then used to "detonate" all the Hamas' bleeding heart supporters and protesters around the world? Hey even NT has at least one.
Israel has already admitted they are responsible for the damage and the deaths. They call it "the tragedy of war".
Yes, from the crater depth, I would think that this was caused by an Israeli bunker buster precision guided munition. It has a very hardened exterior and is designed to penetrate deep before exploding. It is a tragedy that Hamas hides in tunnels under apartment buildings, mosques, hospitals and schools. It is a tragedy that Hamas tried to prevent Gazans from fleeing south. It is a tragedy that Hamas provoked this on 7 Oct to decrease the chances of a Saudis - Israeli peace agreement that may have benefited Palestinians.
Yes, this war is a tragedy, a tragedy that it was unnecessarily provoked on October 7th, a tragedy caused by Hamas.
Time for all Palestinians to move out of the tiny, tiny bit of land that is Israel. Look at a map folks.
Make hard, finite and long-lasting borders. The UN should enforce and oversee it all.
No more wars over a few square miles of desert.
This idiocy has been going on for far too long.
Well, you've seen the maps that show the area, marked out as to Arab or Muslim lands, as compared to Israel, that is if you can find Israel on those maps.
Well, you've seen the maps that show the area, marked out as to Arab or Muslim lands, as compared to Israel, that is if you can find Israel on those maps.
ISRAEL HAS TOO MUCH LAND!
(Israel shown in Red, Muslim world in Green)
Ah, but there are others upon which we do. What is important is that we have treated each other with respect. There are some on this site who don't know what respect is.
The sympathizers and bleeding-heart supporters here are quite obvious.
The 'warmonger' supporters are here and quite obvious too. (And, I support Israel going after Hamas: the Terrorists.)
Sorry. I am not getting a check to fix the Israelite/Palestine 'problem! Here is a fun fact for you to consider:
I merely ask for humane treatment of UNARMED Gazans, whether the support Hamas are not they are FOREMOST UNARMED MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN. Especially children, as it is reported that Palestine has a 50 percent more or less underage population. Who have those underaged children bombed, rocketed, or killed? Can you provide an example of it?
And to be clear, I don't get paid by anybody to come here and 'chat' on a daily basis for years now. I 'do it' freely (and it is not always fun either).
And yes, Israel should be better than its enemies, because that is the point isn't it: Israel should not be in a contest to the bottom. Stay up, Israel where the world can see your righteous indignation and how you deal with it—without receiving world-wide expressions of scorn. Let scorn fall on Hamas and Hamas alone!
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The term black humor or humour noir was coined almost one hundred years ago.
Gallows humor is especially popular in military culture.
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Who are you fighting?
This week it was a little skirmish with the Senate Committee on Appropriations.