Who Said It ? Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler ?
"POISONING THE BLOOD OF OUR NATION. "
Trump or Hitler ?
“all great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning.”
Trump or Hitler?
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When he said during his first term that he didn’t understand why the US allowed people from “shit-hole countries” to emigrate to the US and suggested that we should encourage people from Norway to come instead, it wasn’t hard to figure out what he meant by that. His xenophobia never applied to white European immigrants. After all, he married two of them and they are the mothers of four of his five children. His problem is with people of different races.
If someone of a different race expresses devotion to him then of course he likes them. Think of Kim Jong Un whom he considers to be one of his greatest allies. But it’s a very individual thing. For the most part he believes that people from the “shit-hole” countries are genetically inferior to people like him with his good German blood.
Trump’s out campaigning in earnest now as the Iowa caucuses and New Hampshire primary are just weeks away. And if anyone thought he was going to soft-peddle the “Hitleresque” rhetoric, they were way off base. His basic stump speech is all about banning immigration by those who don’t “share our ideology” (whatever he means by that) and rounding people up here in the US and putting them in camps.He’s not being subtle about who he’s talking about.
This “blood poisoning” rhetoric is literally right out of Hitler’s manifesto Mein Kampf , in which he wrote, “all great cultures of the past perished only because the originally creative race died out from blood poisoning.” By that Hitler meant the Jews were polluting the Aryan bloodstream (although he had a long list of others who were poisoning that good German blood as well) and Trump is talking about everyone except for white people and people of color who worship him personally. But they’re on the same wavelength. This is not an accident and Trump isn’t speaking off the cuff. It’s in his prepared speeches and he’s not taking it out. Why would he? It’s a big applause line and that’s how he knows it’s working.
It’s tempting to believe that Trump doesn’t actually know that he’s “parroting Adolph Hitler” as t he White House charged after his latest tribute to the monstrous, genocidal maniac. After all, it’s pretty clear that he hasn’t read a book since he was in middle school (if then) and his knowledge of history is limited to a handful of WWII movies. But he doesn’t need to. Even if his personal Heinrich Himmler, Stephen Miller, wrote the words, it’s obvious from Trump’s casual conversation that he is in complete agreement with the fascist sentiments underlying “poisoning the blood of the country.” It’s fundamental to his beliefs about himself and his own superior genetic make-up.
Recall that one of the biggest controversies of his first two years came about because of his response to the protest march in Charlottesville Virginia. A group of alt-right men dressed in a sort of uniform of white polo shirts and khaki pants had gathered one night to protest the removal of a confederate statue. They marched around with tiki torches chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil” which seemed extreme even for the Trump years. At a counter protest the next day one of the alt-right protesters drove though a crowd killing a woman. Trump was obviously irritated that the neo-Nazi group was being blamed for what happened and famously declared that “there were good people on both sides” suggesting that not all Nazis are bad people.
The “blood and soil” chant comes right out of the Third Reich and it’s also echoed in Trump’s repeated reference to “poisoning the blood of the country.” Wikipedia defines it as, “a nationalist slogan expressing Nazi Germany’s ideal of a racially defined national body (“Blood”) united with a settlement area (“Soil”). By it, rural and farm life forms are idealized as a counterweight to urban ones.” Does that sound familiar at all?
Hitler also targeted “the enemy within” for persecution, imprisonment and death. According to the Holocaust Encyclopedia, those included :
Roma (Gypsies), people with disabilities, Poles , Soviet prisoners of war , and Afro-Germans . The Nazis also identified political dissidents, Jehovah’s Witnesses , homosexuals , and so-called asocials as enemies and security risks either because they consciously opposed the Nazi regime or some aspect of their behavior did not fit Nazi perceptions of social norms. They sought to eliminate domestic non-conformists and so-called racial threats through a perpetual self-purge of German society.
Here’s Trump over the week-end once again promising to purge America of undesirables. (They have persuaded him not to use the word vermin … for now.)
His list also includes “communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections” and he has vowed to “expel,” “cast out”, “throw off”, “rout”, “evict” and “purge” his enemies. This is right out of the Nazi playbook.
Trump is always looking for a way to thrill his followers with a new outrage so it’s easy to say he’s just putting on a show. But I think he means it. He’s very bitter and angry at half of America for not loving him unconditionally and his thirst for revenge is overwhelming. It’s not about ideology, it’s personal. But the program that he’s contemplating as his instrument to pay back all those who’ve refused to bow and scrape before him is a full-on fascist agenda. And he knows it (the man watches a lot of TV.) He just believes it will work for him.
And he may be right, at least as far as the Republican base is concerned. They may not be aware of, or care about, the echoes of Hitler in his words but they like what they are hearing. According to a new poll by the Des Moines Register, “43% of likely Republican caucus goers to say they are more likely to support him.” Asked about his statement that immigrants are “poisoning the blood of the country” 42% say the same thing. And 43% say “it doesn’t matter that Trump said he would have ‘no choice’ but to lock up his political opponents.”
Back in the early days of the internet, there was a thing called Godwin’s Law which held that “as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches .” It was assumed to mean that the discussion had devolved into absurdity and should be abandoned when that happens. I fear that too many people may end up assuming that about these discussions as well. But the man who coined the adage, Mike Godwin, wrote a clarification a few years back, after the events in Charlottesville:
It still serves us as a tool to recognize specious comparisons to Nazism — but also, by contrast, to recognize comparisons that aren’t. And sometimes the comparisons can spot the earliest symptoms of horrific “attitudes, actions and language” well before our society falls prey to the full-blown disease.
Just because Trump’s first term didn’t result in the full flowering of Nazi America doesn’t mean that the signs weren’t there. He has been saying things for years that point inexorably to his underlying fascist worldview. And even more disturbing, the response he gets from his tens of millions of followers clearly shows that they share it.
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If you think it was a coincidence that Trump echoed bigoted language of Hitler, go to the back of the class.
Trump uses the word "fascists" without even realizing that he is the epitome of the word.
He doesn't, I do.
42% of Republican voters in Iowa agree with Trump, per Des Moines Register poll Dec 2-7
Actually the line reads 'more likely to support him', not agree with him. There is a difference between the two words.
Trump's escalating rhetoric reinforces support of many GOP caucusgoers (desmoinesregister.com)
It is wrong that someone using those words with the history those words brings could be supported, but we do need to be accurate with what is said.
LOL. If I said I am more likely to vote for someone who likes chocolate ice cream, who would that lead to believe that I myself dont like chocolate ice cream?
The lengths all you "neutral" about Trump guys go in order to defend Trump is impressive.
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Defend him? You are so fucking wrong again. The lengths you Trump Haters will do to lie about a simple poll is no longer impressive because it's done all the time by losers.
Next time you put up a poll but sure that you have used all the words that are in the article and don't make things up.
Why dont you tell us what the fact that Republican voters (42%) say that Trump's saying that illegal immigrants are "poisoning the blood of our nation " means then?
I'm so tired of this endless bs.
Saying the phrase would make them more likely to vote for Trump means they agree with the phrase. What else can it mean?
Agreed. And an understatement.
It is sickening that the GOP (electorate and elected reps) supports such an individual. The GOP has lost its way.
If it means the same thing why go out of your way to use words other than the actual words used?
They figure comparing him with Hitler will scare people. They are probably the same people calling Israelis' or Ukrainians Nazis.
Donald Trump is a traitor. Sane people dont need any other reason not to vote for him.
Some people think doing that is fun.
“Sane people realize“
i’ll agree we need new border strategies, but not like Donald Trump did, separating children from families.” punishing any and all who might criticize him.
Sane people realize” !Trump has lied the whole time about his families business and his role in NOT separating from his businesses with a Blind Trust.
You do realize Ivanka and Jared were awarded BILLIONS with a B from and with the Saudis Investing in Jared’s business ventures where he has proven to be below par in the field. What Hunter did is playing out, LET IT. Hunter is not going to be running and so far NOTHING illegal has been linked to “the big guy” , yet, unlike Trump whom had far MORE ACTUAL CRIMES permitted by HIMSELF, LYING to all of you and our families, yet U and so many Others keep referencing he hasn’t been convicted of anything, so he’s “/innocent “. of course!” “. . .
Sane people have questions about who Trump”works for based on the millions which flowed to his family. Without answers, that is a reason to not vote for “TRUMP”!!!’
. You also left out a
Hell the a LOT
Say the incitement of a riot when trying to overthrow a duly elected POTUS. ! Also refusing to return while sharing and not properly protecting Top Secret Documents, but that’s all okay with u and your crew.??
Biden would not be my first choice, but when a candidate is quoting HITLER, threatening through a “joke” to be a dictator, while incessantly LYING CONSTANTLY aabout everything and then some.
“Without answers, that is a reason to not vote for Biden”
Yet WITH ANSWERS ABOUT TRUMP, you would STILL VOTE FOR HIM
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What a hippocritival JOKE
I would always err on the side of caution and want to verify that the people claiming to be their parents were actually their parents before giving them their children back, there are others it seems who prefer the Obama method of giving children to child sex traffickers to keep the supply fresh.
That is NOT your opinion too?? Do you NOT recognize that Trump was false to his obligation and duty when he attempted to steal the 2020 presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in which he sought to violate the CotUS and the foundation of democracy: the vote of the electorate?
Cool, by that definition Biden is a traitor. People trusted him to be a moderate, they trusted him to be truthful, trusted him to be a uniter instead of divisive, they trusted him to protect the border. He has betrayed the trust of millions and is false to the obligation of keeping Americans safe. I could go on and on and on and on and on.
Border policies are not a betrayal of trust. If you dont like his policies vote him out.
Attempting to steal the presidential election is, sitting on his hands while the national legislature is invaded by rioters is.
Thank you for your opinion. Millions don't seem to agree.
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Cool? Predictably, your post does not answer the question and merely deflects.
Not surprising, your post is extremely generous in trying to peg Biden a traitor for breaking campaign promises (which then means virtually every politician is ipso facto a traitor … illustrating how ridiculous your semantic stretching is here). But your post refuses to acknowledge the clear violation of the CotUS and attack on democracy by Trump in his attempt to circumvent the votes of the electorate.
Your post ignores the 800lb gorilla and instead stretch semantics to the absurd.
I doubt reader’s will find your post even remotely objective.
If Biden is a traitor for breaking campaign promises then virtually every politician is ipso facto a traitor.
Your stretching of semantics is thus demonstrably absurd.
Do you recognize that Trump was false to his obligation and duty when he attempted to steal the 2020 presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in which he sought to violate the CotUS and the foundation of democracy: the vote of the electorate?
That fits the definition of the word 'traitor' without playing overtly absurd semantic games.
The English definition of the word 'traitor'!
Make your case. How, specifically, is Biden a traitor?
Merriam-Webster's definition as stated above differs from the established legal definition under U.S. law.
Yep.
There is a colloquial usage for traitor and a legal one. Both are valid but they have different applications.
I have never claimed that Trump is guilty of treason (and thus traitor legally). I have claimed that Trump is a traitor (colloquial usage: usage 1 in the dictionary) due to violation of his oath of office. Trump was false to his obligation and duty when he attempted to steal the 2020 presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in which he sought to violate the CotUS and the foundation of democracy: the vote of the electorate.
You are labeling Biden a traitor because you consider him derelict in his duties. That is stretching the definition into the absurd.
There is a major league difference between incompetence, disagreement on policies, failing to uphold campaign promises, etc. and being a traitor to this nation by attempting to steal a presidential election by trying to circumvent the CotUS and disenfranchise voters.
By your absurd stretch, virtually every politician is ipso facto a traitor. Clearly your stretching is ridiculous.
They wont stop. Its time for me to start deleting.
Quick?
Do you recognize that Trump was false to his obligation and duty when he attempted to steal the 2020 presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in which he sought to violate the CotUS and the foundation of democracy: the vote of the electorate?
What more would Trump have to do before you recognize that his attempt as PotUS to circumvent the CotUS and disenfranchise the electorate is a traitorous act?
You and Texan do know that the Biden administration is enforcing our laws and our commitments to our international treaties and that what the gop is now demanding is to change our laws and to disregard international laws? Don't you?
I have stated repeatedly that Biden and the Ds in general are failing to secure the border.
Do you recognize that Trump was false to his obligation and duty when he attempted to steal the 2020 presidential election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement in which he sought to violate the CotUS and the foundation of democracy: the vote of the electorate?
Do you want to debate me or debate Texan?
I wish one or more of these guys would tell us why they think Trump echoing Hitler is ok, but its obvious none of them are going to take that on.
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My statement was a observation and nothing more with no offense intended.
No offense taken.
The key though is that you read my explanation. It is precisely correct —per usage §1 of the English dictionary— to label Trump a traitor. Usage §1 is the colloquial usage. Usage §2 is the legal usage which is applied only after someone is convicted of treason.
Several have been insisting (in spite of the meaning of the English word 'traitor') that one cannot label Trump a traitor unless he is convicted of treason. That claim is wrong ... it is obviously wrong ... but they continue to ignore the most common, accepted definition of the word.
And now they are flipping to the other extreme and attempting to read the English definition so loosely that pretty much every politician would be labeled a traitor.
Such is the nature of contemporary political discourse: never acknowledge wrongdoing for 'your side' and interpret anything as wrongdoing for 'the other side'.
Sane people laugh at your ridiculous "whatabouyisms".
Are all these unvetted immigrants, bringing in all kinds of possible vermin and disease from all over the world, with unknown intentions and motives, good for the USA. How many of them even qualify for asylum. Even liberal states and cities really don't want to deal with them. These unwelcome hordes are taking resources and opportunities from American citizens and families of all ethnicities and cultures.
By this time, no one with a lick of sense takes his overblown bluster and bullshit seriously....
Beyond any doubt, Trump or whoever writes his speeches, channeled language from Adolf Hitler.
Why ?
But they are voting for him! You proclaim that you will vote for him. Imagine any other PotUS making statements like these. I cannot think of anyone who would come even remotely close to this kind of divisive, ugly rhetoric.
You seriously compare that with Trump's rhetoric??
Can you even imagine Biden or any other PotUS giving a speech using the rhetoric of Trump? If someone did a deep fake with Biden (or any other PotUS) substituted for Trump but speaking Trump's words in a speech, it would be demonstrably absurd. Is this not obvious to you?
Then you have your own special meaning for the verb 'compare':
I stated that I could not think of anyone who would come even remotely close to this kind of divisive, ugly rhetoric of Trump.
You offer Biden ... that is noting similarity (at least you think it is similarity).
Hello?
Opinions....not facts. Nice try though.
The attempted bamboozling on NT will never end. Most of the political seeds are filled with it.
“You’ve got more questions?” Biden replied. “Well I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”
I agree, you would think they would spend more time building up their guy than calling everyone names if they don't proclaim Trump is the antichrist a dozen times a day.
Biden’s just a different kind of crazy. Jim crow 2.0, putting black people back in chains, fascist imagery for his speeches, calling people who oppose him threats to the country….
Two sides of the same coin.
Biden is known for putting his foot in his mouth. It is a pathetic 'argument' to compare poor word choice with incendiary hate speech.
No comparison. Good grief, how can people be so blind?
Who was talking about bidens poor word choice?
Good grief, how can people be so blind?
I think it has to do with having such an all consuming hate of trump they are blind to to everything else.
We saw, heard, witnessed and experienced Trump, once...
He FAILED. He is running again. He leads the gop. M'kay?
All consuming hate? Nope. Go on! Own It! Be The MAGA!
All consuming hate?
Yes
You translate objective understanding of Trump's abysmal character into mere emotion. Not everyone is driven by emotion, party loyalty, or group-think.
RIDICULOUS
Hate is a very powerful emotion. It can help you rationalize anything you want it to and you never even realize it has taken control but it is obvious to people witnessing it
Irrational party loyalty is far easier to observe. One can see this immediately when an individual makes a claim that they cannot back up. This is especially obvious when the claimer engages in slimy tactics to hide their inability to support their claim.
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You really should accept the realization that the bamboozling you claim that is happening is not confined solely to just one political party/ideology.
To the hard core liberal left, they are not illegal immigrants. They are simply migratory immigrants. Probably makes it easier to stomach that way./s
our idiocracy
our moronocracy
Trouble is, she is not just some extreme case. Many of these claims are routinely seen in forums like NT.
The right has been overtaken by conspiracy theories, and they like it.
It is a phenomenon that I would have never predicted. At least not to this degree.
Kudos to the reporter for keeping a straight face while interviewing the dumbest people on earth. How many times did this Trumptard use the phrase “everybody knows”?
She's not following the teachings of Jesus. Jesus never would have hanged someone. And she never did answer the reporter's question about would Jesus approve. She knows damn well he would not have
I prefer convicted traitors spend the rest of their days in a supermax cell where the only sunlight they see is the 15 minute walk they get to take outside every day
I prefer the key word being "convicted".
A fine example of an irrational, emotion-driven position.
Wow. How does the bar keep getting lower? This genius thinks the problem with antisemitism involves Jews being here illegally. Trump rallies are packed with these troglodytes.
stupid people that should keep their mouths shut
IF IT WALKS LIKE A NAZI AND QUACKS LIKE A NAZI...
IT MUST BE DONALD TRUMP!!!