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Multiple victims in shooting at Catholic school in Minneapolis, shooter 'contained' - ABC News

  
Via:  John Russell  •  last year  •  92 comments

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Multiple victims in shooting at Catholic school in Minneapolis, shooter 'contained' - ABC News
A shooting has been reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, according to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz.

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"I'm praying for our kids and teachers," the governor said.

ByEmily ShapiroAugust 27, 2025, 10:46 AM

There are multiple victims from a shooting that unfolded during morning drop-off at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, sources told ABC News.

The shooter is "contained" and there's "no active threat to the community," city officials said. The suspect is believed to be deceased from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, sources said.

Police respond to a reported shooting at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, Aug. 27, 2025.KSTP

Students in pre-K to eighth grade attend the school.

"I'm praying for our kids and teachers whose first week of school was marred by this horrific act of violence," Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz wrote on social media.

Walz said state authorities are at the scene. Agents from the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are also responding.

The Department of Homeland Security is monitoring the shooting, DHS Secretary Kristi Noem said in a statement.

"I am praying for the victims of this heinous attack and their families," she said.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

The wack jobs on social media are already claiming it is a false flag intended to take away peoples guns. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

Alex Jones says it hasn't happened

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

There was a active shooter hoax the other day at U of A in Fayetteville, AR

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    last year

The wack jobs on social media are already claiming it is a false flag intended to take away peoples guns. 

Link?  

Being that Minneapolis is a progressive paradise, hard to say what prompted the shooter.

Man killed, 6 others hurt in Minneapolis mass shooting -CBS Minnesota

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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1.3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3    last year

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JohnRussell
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2  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

There are multiple victims but no reports of deaths as of now. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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2.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @2    last year

The Minnesota Star Tribune is reporting that two children are dead along with the gunman. Horrible.

Minneapolis shooting: Shooter ‘contained’ as police respond to church

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Snuffy @2.1    last year

That is really so sad.  Horrendous and tragic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @2.1.1    last year

The trauma of this will go well beyond the death toll.  Most of these were little kids in church praying when they were shot. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.2    last year
The trauma of this will go well beyond the death toll. 

It always does.  It's heartbreaking.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

MSNBC says the students were attending morning Mass in the church and someone dressed in black with an AR-15 type gun shot from outside through the windows of the church. Maybe 100 rounds. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4  Sean Treacy    last year

Seems like it was another Trans shooter attacking a christian school. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    last year

Where is this being reported? According to all the main-stream news sources (FOX, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN) the police have not released the shooters identification so how would anyone know if he was trans? 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
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4.1.1  Igknorantzruls  replied to  Snuffy @4.1    last year

Maybe Alex Jones released it

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.2  Snuffy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1    last year

Ok, I've found additional information. They have released the name of the shooter and there are some notes that do suggest the shooter was a trans individual.

  The person who opened fire on a Catholic school Wednesday morning in Minneapolis has been identified, according to law enforcement sources.

According to KARE 11 investigative reporter A.J. Lagoe, the shooter was 23-year-old Robin, formerly Robert, Westman. Law enforcement sources said Westman grew up in Richfield and that her mother was an employee at Annunciation School.

Court documents show that when she was 17, Westman applied in Dakota County to change her birth name from Robert to Robin. That request was granted in January of 2020. 

Who was the shooter in the Minneapolis Catholic school shooting? | kare11.com

And another source describes what can be shown as an individual with some serious mental issues.

The deranged gunman who slaughtered two children and injured at least 17 others who were attending morning mass at a Catholic school in Minneapolis has been identified — as a disturbing video believed to have been posted by the shooter shows “kill Donald Trump” and “for the children” scrawled on gun magazines.

Robin Westman, who is in his early 20s, opened fire through the stained glass windows of Annunciation Catholic Church during a celebratory   back-to-school Mass filled with children , around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday.

Police are investigating whether a series of sick YouTube videos shared on an account hours before the shooting was connected to Westman, law enforcement sources told The Post.

In one video, a hand slowly turns the pages of a red notebook, which is laid out on top of what appears to be schematic gun diagrams.

Each page is filled with inscrutable handwritten scrawl, an occasional plume of smoke is seen from the bottom of the screen as the person turning the pages coughs and occasionally maniacally giggles.

Other videos show an obsession with mass shooters — including Sandy Hook killer Adam Lanza.

Exclusive | Minneapolis Catholic school gunman ID'd as Robin Westman— while possible manifesto shows psychotic obsession with mass shooters

If true, this does seem to follow a familiar pattern where an individual with serious mental issues was not prevented from obtaining weapons (still no indication if this individual purchased the weapons or if he took them from someone else). 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.2    last year

I watched the ten minute video, and this is really sick stuff.  The "kill Trump" inscription is only a small part of it and hardly the main motive. He also praises a white supremacist mass murderer, makes a racist comment about hispanics, scrawls on his weapons in Russian, and a lot of other bizarre and disturbing things written on his guns. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.4  Snuffy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.2    last year
obtaining weapons (still no indication if this individual purchased the weapons or if he took them from someone else). 

Ok, fast update and fast work by ATF. While this info won't be released to the public, one wonders if it was completed this quickly as the shooter had purchased the weapons locally herself? As the shooter was said to have no significant criminal record it's definitely possible she obtained them herself. But if she did, that brings another question to light in my mind. Her family had to be aware of the mental issues unless they turned a blind eye to any issues, so why were they not more involved in getting her help and preventing her from having such weapons in her possession? Minnesota does have Red Flag Laws.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said Wednesday it has completed a tracing of firearms found at the site of the   Minneapolis church shooting. 

“ATF completed the urgent traces of the recovered firearms and has provided that information to all investigative partners involved in the shooting in at Annunciation Church this morning,” the agency’s St. Paul office wrote on X. “This information is for investigative partners only and will not be released to the public.” 

Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara said earlier that the shooter "was armed with a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol." 

“This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping. The sheer cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible,” O’Hara added. 

Annunciation church shooting: 2 children dead in Minneapolis shooting, 17 injured | Live Updates from Fox News Digital

This link is the live updates so this link may be way down if anybody goes to the link looking for this exact note.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.5  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.2    last year

You know, the sad thing is you posted 4 before any identification was released, and was immediately attacked for it.

This guy/girl probably looked up to the other trans shooter that shot up a Christian school a couple of years ago.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @4.1.5    last year

Snuffy wasn't attacked because Snuffy didn't come right out and say the shooter was trans. Snuffy waited until he had verifiable facts before he commented AND he provided links with those verifiable facts. It was somebody else who claimed the shooter was trans before all the facts were in

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    last year
It was somebody else who claimed the shooter was trans before all the facts were in

I had the correct facts when I posted.  Yet again. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.7    last year

did you post the links to these facts?

No. You did not. So you don't get any credit.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.9  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    last year
Snuffy waited until he had verifiable facts before he commented AND he provided links with those verifiable facts.

You are wrong.

He made comment 4 two hours ago, giving his opinion. I went through all of the other posts (there are not many) and NO ONE made a comment of the shooter being trans before 4 was posted.

Snuffy posted his link (4.1.4) after the story was revealed 90 minutes later, showing he was right in his opinion. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.8    last year

Again, I was correct.

What's funny is that when an anti-life terrorist blew up a fertility clinic with a car bomb some  members here immediately made baseless and false claims that it was "christian terrorism "  "Right wing terrorism" etc.  Guess who thumbed up all of the comments? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @4.1.9    last year

I know. But you said he was attacked for it. Snuffy didn;t post comment 4, did he?

This is what you replied to Snuffy:

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.10    last year

You may have been correct but it was Snuffy who provided the proof. You didn't

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.11    last year

OK I stand corrected.

It was Sean that posted 4 and Snuffy followed up 90 minutes later, so Sean was correct in his opinion and your 4.1.8 is incorrect because Sean called it out in an opinion.

Pretty easy to spot a leftist MO with these types of shootings. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.14  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.12    last year
You didn't

You don't need to provide proof of an opinion.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.15  Snuffy  replied to  bugsy @4.1.9    last year

Actually it was Sean who posted #4, my post of 4.1 came about an hour later asking where it the shooter had been identified as trans as the major outlets were all reporting that the police had not released any info on the shooter. My post of 4.1.4 was about 20 minutes later when I finally found news sites that identified the shooter. 

I didn't attack Sean, just asked where he got his info as I couldn't find it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.16  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.10    last year

His being "trans" would be relevant if only "trans" were mass shooters and mass murderers. 

Did you watch the video?  This person was extremely disturbed, well beyond anything related to gender.  He was clearly fascinated and committed to gun violence, which would seem to argue for stronger gun laws. 

Since he wrote "kill Trump" on one of his guns maybe we can conclude Trump drove him crazy. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  bugsy @4.1.13    last year
Seems like it was another Trans shooter attacking a christian school. 

I see bullshit I call it out

Now you can keep going but I'm done

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.18  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.15    last year
didn't attack Sean

No I was not claiming you did. I mistook you posting 4 when it was Sean that did and the left attacked him for it. 

You followed up with 4.1.4 with links that showed Sean's opinion was correct.

Sorry about the confusion.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.17    last year

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bugsy
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4.1.20  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.16    last year
only "trans" were mass shooters and mass murderers. 

The Christian school a few years ago and now today. Seems like mass murderers to me.

"Since he wrote "kill Trump" on one of his guns maybe we can conclude Trump drove him crazy. "

Probably because Trump is classifying trans for what they are...

Mentally ill.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.21  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @4.1.20    last year

As I said, in the video we see writing that says "hail Brevik ( a white supremacist mass murderer in Europe) and a racial slur against hispanics. There is writing on the guns in Russian, another remark is made in Nazi style type face, and much more.    This guy was extremely sick.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.16    last year
"trans" would be relevant if only "trans" were mass shooters and mass murderers. 

You want a list of the school shootings, fire bombings, etc carried out by trans people the last few years?

his person was extremely disturbed

That goes without saying.  We should probably stop affirming and celebrating mental illness  while scaring already mentally people with claims of impending genocide. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.23  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.21    last year

Agree but shooting up a Catholic school is a leftist trait, at least recently ,not right. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.22    last year

was he a white supremacist or nazi ?  There indications of both on his guns.  Maybe he hates Catholics because they are not evangelicals. Who knows? Maybe he doesnt hate  Catholics at all. Maybe he doesnt hate Donald trump at all. Maybe he wrote "kill Trump" because he wants Trump to go to heaven as a martyr. 

This guy was too crazy to be analyzed definitively for motive. 

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.25  afrayedknot  replied to  bugsy @4.1.23    last year

“…but shooting up a Catholic school is a leftist trait…”

Unbelievable that that can be a passing thought much less a point of argument? 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.26  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.22    last year

Personally I would not include 'trans' in the discussion of this issue as not all trans individuals are mentally ill just as not all Republicans are MAGA (despite the assertion of so many here). This individual shows strong indications of mental issues.

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.27  Snuffy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.4    last year
As the shooter was said to have no significant criminal record it's definitely possible she obtained them herself.

I'm listening to live coverage of the shooting and a Minneapolis police spokesman(?) just stated the shooter did purchase all three weapons herself. 

If Washington is going to make any changes to gun laws, I would support them enhancing the requirements of reporting to the NICS database and updates to HIPPA laws to get updates on mental illness treatments included.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.28  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.26    last year
include 'trans' in the discussion of this issue as not all trans individuals are mentally ill

Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and should be treated as such.   

Are trans people more or less overrepresented in these types of school shootings, fire bombings etc over the last few years? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.29  bugsy  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.25    last year
Unbelievable that that can be a passing thought much less a point of argument? 

So prove it wrong, and use the entirety of my post, just not a part of it.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.30  afrayedknot  replied to  bugsy @4.1.29    last year

Your post, in it’s entirety:

“Agree but shooting up a Catholic school is a leftist trait, at least recently ,not right. “

…does not change a thing, only confirming a serious discussion is not in the offing. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.31  bugsy  replied to  afrayedknot @4.1.30    last year
nly confirming a serious discussion is not in the offing. 

OK but understand I am right.....

 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1.32  Snuffy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.28    last year
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness and should be treated as such.   

According to the Journal of Mental Health and Clinical Psychology from Brown University, they have redefined it as no longer being a mental disorder.

Gender Incongruence is No Longer a Mental Disorder

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.33  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.28    last year

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Trout Giggles
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4.1.34  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.33    last year

He just hates every body doesn't he?

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.35  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.32    last year
According to the Journal of Mental Health and Clinical Psychology from Brown University, they have redefined it as no longer being a mental disorder.

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JohnRussell
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4.1.36  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.34    last year

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JohnRussell
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4.1.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.34    last year

I saw a conservative on tv say this was entirely about a trans person who hates Donald Trump.  That is clearly not the case but now they have their teeth sunk in to their theory. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.17    last year

From ABC news:

Henderson also apparently shared a 51-page document before the shooting expressing violent white supremacist beliefs, sources said. He expressed self-hatred as a Black person, and he wrote of wishing violence on other Black people.

He also expressed violent hatred toward Jews and used antisemitic tropes and conspiracy theories to express his views, according to the sources. Henderson appeared to support neo-Nazi accelerationist and violent incel beliefs and expressed a desire to see genocide committed against racial and religious minorities, according to sources.

He belonged to online communities that promote violence and extremism, sources said, and some people in those groups publicly identified Henderson as the school shooter long before his identity was confirmed by authorities.

According to Rupnow’s social media accounts, she appeared to show interest in neo-Nazi ideology and neo-Nazi violence.

She also appeared to show interest and engagement in online forums venerating mass shooters, according to information provided to law enforcement. Her posts included mentions of the Columbine school shooting and a picture of the Parkland school shooter.

Nothing about him being Trans. Nothing about him being a "leftist"

 
 
 
bccrane
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4.1.39  bccrane  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.38    last year

Look again.

He also expressed ,  He belonged , and his identity

Then this:

she appeared, She also appeared, and Her posts.

Without coming out and actually saying it, they did make the claim he was trans.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.40  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.34    last year

But he only killed Catholic school children.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.41  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.32    last year

I'm aware. It's obviously a political decision not grounded in reality. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.42  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bccrane @4.1.39    last year

Even if he was trans, it had nothing to do with the hate that he felt. Almost everything he wrote about was filled with hate. Only a monster could kill children when they prayed.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.43  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.33    last year

What did you post here? I just see a blank response.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.44  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.43    last year

Three photos of things that were written on some of his weapons. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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4.1.45  goose is back  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.42    last year
Even if he was trans, it had nothing to do with the hate that he felt.

How do you know this?  Do you know all the effects of all the drugs supplied to trans people? This is the second mass shooting in a short period of time by a trans individual.

  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.46  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @4.1.45    last year
This is the second mass shooting in a short period of time by a trans individual.

So? What about Christians that have committed acts of violence up to and including mass shootings? What drugs were they doing? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.47  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.42    last year
Even if he was trans, it had nothing to do with the hate that he felt.

It's similar to people saying the covid vaccine has killed millions of people... They try to create linkage, but it's a failed errand. 

 
 
 
goose is back
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4.1.48  goose is back  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.46    last year
What about Christians that have committed acts of violence up to and including mass shootings? What drugs were they doing?

You don't take drugs to become a Christian!  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  seeder  JohnRussell    last year

There is an extremely disturbing video on line that is allegedly made by the shooter before he acted .   I watched the whole thing and there is nothing in the material indicating he was trans.  The allegation he was trans seems to be based on his appearance  - he has long hair , and doesnt seem to be all that macho.  If that translate into trans I guess we will find out.

In the video, which is over 10 minutes long , he comments on his weapons, of which there are a lot, and they are covered with weird diagrams, words in Russian, "Kill Donald Trump", "Hail Brevik" (Brevik is a notorious white supremacist who killed dozens of people in Norway I believe many years ago),  "fuck spics" , and a lot of other extremely disturbing material. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year

On the face of it, this seems to be one of the sickest mass shooters we have seen yet.  People would be disturbed to see this stuff in a fiction movie, let alone in real life. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year

People love to jump to conclusions when it comes to a mass shooter at a religious institution/school

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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5.2.1  Drakkonis  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.2    last year
People love to jump to conclusions when it comes to a mass shooter at a religious institution/school

Equally, people love to try to fit the perp into a political definition that they can then use to beat the other side with. They say they are sad about whatever the tragedy was but seem secretly elated for the ammunition. Most of the comments I've seen about this have mostly been arguments concerning who gets to use this guy as a poster child for what's wrong with the other side, or so it seems to me. 

That is a general observation and not a critique of your comment. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year
there is nothing in the material indicating he was trans. 

See 4.1.2.  If the above link turns out to be true (as it's still very early in the discovery phase) than he was born male and at 17 petitioned the court to change her name from Robert to Robin.

It's more disturbing to me that once again this appears to be a person with some serious mental issues (based on the video) who was not really treated for any mental issues. How did this individual obtain the guns used, why didn't anybody notice the issues before hand? Just too familar.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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5.3.1  afrayedknot  replied to  Snuffy @5.3    last year

“Just too familar.”

Sadly…tragically. 

Never one to beat the gun ban drum, but I would hope that one day enough people will demand that the current laws regarding access will, at the very least, be enforced, and the mental health loopholes be addressed. 
Everything said today will inevitably be repeated…until we collectively agree to do the hard work required. 
Peace…

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.2  Snuffy  replied to  afrayedknot @5.3.1    last year

Yep, already have Democrats in Washington who are calling for stricter gun laws. And it will follow the predictable pattern of Democrats demanding and Republicans pushing against additional gun laws. 

The question is why do they jump to new gun laws right off the bat. They point to countries such as Australia which implemented tight gun laws after the Port Auther Massacre, yet there are more guns in private hands today then there was before that event. And lets not forget the tough gun laws in France which did nothing to prevent the 2015 mass shooting.

My opinion, they jump to calling for more gun laws because they don't want to exhibit their own duplicity in the issue.

Here in America we have roughly the same percentage of homes with guns that we did 60 years ago. Back then we didn't have all the mass shootings that we do today so what has changed? IMO it started with the decline of the family unit and the decline of personal responsibility. Without strong role models and rules for children growing up, they don't learn what their responsibilities are. They don't learn what morals should be learned and followed. Then we had the advice of don't be a parent, be their friend. Children are smarter than people want to give credit to and will find ways around these things, children need parents and rules and discipline in order to grow into reasonable adults.  Next we moved into the era where everybody was a winner, nobody was a loser. Until these children hit adulthood and discover that life doesn't make you a winner you have to earn it. And too many will believe that if they are not winners they must be victims. Is it any wonder that we have so many who just do not know right from wrong.

It took many years to get to this point and there is no quick easy fix for this. But as long as Washington continues with their predictable back and forth while refusing to acknowledge their own part in this, the charade will continue. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.2    last year
lready have Democrats in Washington who are calling for stricter gun laws

Easier than enforcing existing ones.  Their base doesn't want people who use guns in crimes or possess them illegally put in jail. That's not "equitable."   Easier to just keep demanding new laws they won't enforce.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.3.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.2    last year

I agree that children need discipline, rules, and structure. Mr Giggles works as a dorm manager on the base and he says he doesn't know how these kids tie their boots. They don't know the first thing about responsibility or taking care of stuff. And that's because nobody taught them. Kids aren't given chores these days. Mommy does everything for them.

Mommy runs to them as soon as they cry a teacher is being unfair and why do I have to do my homework? My son pulled the "Mom, can't you get me out of Saturday school?" when he was required to go. I said no. You're going. And I walked him in there and made sure he signed in.

But...he's a well adjusted young man now and made the rank of E6 in less than 8 years. I'm proud of him. But mommy and daddy weren't his friends. We were his parents

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.5  Snuffy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.4    last year

But...he's a well adjusted young man now and made the rank of E6 in less than 8 years. I'm proud of him. But mommy and daddy weren't his friends. We were his parents

And well done to the both of you.
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.3.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.5    last year

Thank-you

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.4    last year
But mommy and daddy weren't his friends. We were his parents

Amen to that. It is a running joke with my 35 years old kids. They call us and say hi friends and we tell them we are their parents, not friends.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.3.8  bugsy  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.6    last year

Seriously, great job with your son.

He must be Air Force because it took me 12 years to make E6 and 18 to make E7. jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.7    last year

Mine are 32 and almost 31. We do like to do things as a family like fishing and camping tho we don't get to see our son as much as we would like. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.10  Snuffy  replied to  bugsy @5.3.8    last year

hmmm,  what was your AFSC? Cuz I took the test and got a line number for E5 in my first four years. Of course manning in the field for my AFSC was extremely low with E5's so there was a lot of room. Sometimes wonder how different my life may have been had I stayed in.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.3.11  bugsy  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.10    last year
what was your AFSC?

Not sure what that was but my specialty in the Navy was Tactical Air Control, not exactly a job that can transfer to the civilian world.. My work space was Combat Direction Center on ships.

I also made E5 in 4 years, but getting above that was difficult because , of course, the higher you go, the less spots to fill. Took me three times to get E7. 

My wife wanted me to stay in longer, but I am actually glad I didn't. Once you get to senior enlisted, it becomes political, and I did not want to deal with that.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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5.3.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.3.9    last year

We just finished our 8th yearly week in lake george that now includes 3 grandsons. I need a vacation after our vacation.  Worth it though.

 
 
 
shona1
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5.3.13  shona1  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.2    last year

Morning Snuffs...as I have said before we have a completely different mentality and mind set when it comes to guns here, and after Port Arthur even more happy to oblige..

So in that respect we get tired of the US looking at us and trying to make a comparison and dragging us into your gun debates...we are worlds apart on this and not even in the same ball park and never will be...

I come from a hunting fishing shooting family so we don't even give it a second thought along with probably 99% of Aussies about guns and mass shootings...and certainly not in the numbers of Port Arthur...

Of cause we have shootings, currently right at this moment we are hunting a guy who just shot dead two cops in the bush down Melbourne way...it has rocked this State to its core, we have lost two of our finest..one was retiring next week ..🥀🥀

The perpetrator is a supposed "Sovereignist" but nothing a bullet won't stop with luck when they find him...I would be happy to pull the trigger..

Mass shootings in the US are about as predictable as the morning sun...how you stop it, no idea, how you control it, no idea... that's what you mob have to work out in your own way and in your own terms if you want too...

So sad for the young souls lost, their families and friends..and I have a dreadful feeling it won't be the last there for the school year sadly....🥀🥀

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.14  Snuffy  replied to  bugsy @5.3.11    last year

Good points. Yeah, I remember the politics the senior enlisted had to play. I also didn't really want to play those games.

While it can be fun to play what would my life had been like, I'm very happy with the life I led. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.3.15  Snuffy  replied to  shona1 @5.3.13    last year

Yep, like you I came from a hunting fishing family as well. We had multiple guns in the house in an unlocked gun display in the living room. We were taught from an early age what a gun is and how to respect it. I suspect that's part of the problem here today, children are not being brought up with rules and discipline like us old farts were. I would never have dreamed of calling any of my parents friends by their first names.  Back then we had more respect for ourselves and others. Not saying we were perfect, after all we were children also. But it seems like such a different world than what exists today.

There are a lot of people who like to bring up Australia as an example of gun laws, but it's done with little thought as to how it could actually work here and what would need to be changed to get to that point. Our political leaders really don't like to do hard things and their sheep have learned to parrot those lines very well. So I suspect this will follow the normal course, a couple of weeks of partisan bickering back and forth and then just fade away. 

As far as fixing the problem, it took a few generations to get to this point so there is no easy fix for it. Like I said, our leadership doesn't like to try to do the hard things. 

 
 
 
shona1
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5.3.16  shona1  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.15    last year

Morning Snuffs...yes even our gun laws are very different to yours..

All guns are meant to be in a locked gun safe and it has to be bolted to the floor.. naturally hunters and legitimate owners etc comply...the cops come in and make sure it is all legal and give the approval...

Yep and I can hear the screams of outrage from here...our rights etc...no one bats an eye here and just complies with the law as we see it as fair, sensible and just...

We have illegal guns, we have shootings, we have gangs, mobs, drugs etc same as every other country...

But when it comes to mass shootings, once was enough for us...

We have done all in our power to try and make sure it never happens again here..and on that, only time will tell, but so far it's held for 30 years...

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
6  Tacos!    last year

But will the outrage over this match what we see for Cracker Barrel?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7  Buzz of the Orient    last year

The news broadcast I just watched indicated that this was one of FOUR shootings in Minneapolis during the past 24 hours.

GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS GUNS

WELCOME TO AMERICA

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Greg Jones
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7.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    last year

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away/

Do we more common-sense gun laws?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @7.1    last year
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Why is the USA the ONLY 1st world country that has a gun violence record of a banana republic?  Other nations have done effective things to reduce gun violence.  The USA is doing NOTHING to reduce gun violence. 

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away/

You mean like they were there in Uvalde Tx?

Do we more common-sense gun laws?

Both your sentence and the USA need "need" when it comes to common-sense gun laws. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
7.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    last year
Why is the USA the ONLY 1st world country that has a gun violence record of a banana republic?

Bingo.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
8  MrFrost    last year

Children murdered while praying.....in a church..

Guessing God was busy with other things?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
9  Buzz of the Orient    last year

I just heard on the news that there have been 186 mass gun violence incidents so far this year in America.  HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE LIVE WITH THAT?  Okay, don't take away everyone's guns, just the assault weapons and big magazines - what the hell do you need them for anyway?   Do you think an army is going to invade your home?

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    last year
what the hell do you need them for anyway? 

Why not?...

Do you think an army is going to invade your home?

Ha, that's kinda the point isn't it?...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1    last year
"Why not?..."

Back a while ago I posed a possible solution to the American gun violence problem since so many consider guns a necessity, and that was to issue a gun and ammo to virtually every person in America over the age of 12.  I think I even posted an amended song originally written by Bob Dylan, "Everybody Must Get Stoned" for the lyrics to change to "Everbody Must Get Shot".  "They'll shoot you when you.....etc".

I assume that there are a lot of Americans, perhaps even some on this site, who would consider that better than taking the guns away from everyone. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
9.2  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    last year
HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE LIVE WITH THAT?

Because most republicans still think that more guns will mean less crime, which is total bullshit. 

 
 

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