Trump Rages at Supreme Court Over Birthright Citizenship Case
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President Trump broadcast his anger Wednesday as the Supreme Court appeared to doubt his executive order repealing birthright citizenship.
“We are the only Country in the World STUPID enough to allow ‘Birthright’ Citizenship! President DONALD J. TRUMP,” he wrote on Truth Social shortly after oral arguments concluded.
The U.S. is of course not the only country in the world with birthright citizenship.
Multiple justices on the court appeared skeptical of the Department of Justice’s case. Chief Justice John Roberts, Neil Gorsuch , and Amy Coney Barrett all pushed back on Solicitor General D. John Sauer’s arguments.
At one point, Roberts expressed confusion regarding Sauer’s argument that Trump’s executive order makes sense because children of ambassadors and hostile enemies already don’t have access to birthright citizenship.
“Then you expand it to the whole class of illegal aliens who are here in the country,” Roberts said . “I’m not quite sure how you can get to that big group from such tiny and sort of idiosyncratic examples.”
The solicitor general tried to point to birther tourism as an example of how things have changed since the Fourteenth Amendment. “It’s a new world,” Sauer said.
“It’s the same Constitution,” the chief justice replied.
Trump was in the room for this exchange—and others that likely only further frustrated him after his nightmare week with the judiciary.
The Trump administration’s lawyer, Solicitor General John Sauer, admitted before the Supreme Court Wednesday that he hadn’t thought too much about one of the big questions in President Donald Trump’s attempt to repeal birthright citizenship: What happens to Native Americans?
Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch, who has carved out a niche for himself by carefully considering Indian law , asked Sauer if Native Americans today would be considered birthright citizens under the Trump administration’s test.
“I think so?” Sauer replied , clearly unsure. “I mean, obviously they’ve been granted citizenship by statute.”
“Put aside the statute; do you think they’re birthright citizens?” Gorsuch said again.
“No, I think the clear understanding that everybody agrees in the congressional debates is that the children of tribal Indians are not birthright.”
“I understand that’s what they said,” Gorsuch said. “But your test is the domicile of the parents, and that would be the test you’d have us apply today, right?”
“Yes, yes,” Sauer said.
“Are tribal Indians born today birthright citizens?” Gorsuch asked yet again.
“ Ah, I think so, if they were lawfully domiciled here,” Sauer replied. “I’m not sure—I have to think that through.”
“I’ll take the yes,” Gorsuch said.
The Trump administration clearly hasn’t considered the implications of the executive order Trump signed on his first day in office repealing birthright citizenship. That a DOJ lawyer can’t explain whether Native Americans would be U.S. citizens in Trump’s vision is certainly unsettling.
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Hey dumbass - America is an EXCEPTIONAL country.
Canada is NOT stupid, but you, President Trump, are the only President of a civilized nation who is such a consistent liar. Those who believe him are the ones who are stupid.
No one's ever seen anything like it before!!!
lucky for melania that she sat on a mushroom and had that anchor baby ...
Damn it!!! Why can't the Constitution just let him do what he wants and get it his way????? Afterall he is a king in his own mind...
‘Afterall he is a king in his own mind...’
Ah…. So he believes he is king is in his own mind. If that is true, then why all the waste of time by geriatric leftists ‘protesting’ about kings when we don’t have a literal one?
why do you care? Can you show us on the doll where the protestors hurt you?
I can assure you n o one hurt me. These people are delusional.
Did you see the video where the interviewer asked the protestor why only the straits of Hormuz was focused on and not the gays of Hurmuz?
That woman is a prime reason why we need to reopen insane asylums.
she isn't the reason ...
Yes...she is...the poster girl for insane asylums
what does that have to do with the topic of this seed?
‘what does that have to do with the topic of this seed?’
Take a look at post 2. My comment was a direct response to that poster once again claiming Trump thinks he is a king….. with no proof
Dear leader did describe it as an "excursion".
his comments make no sense
You know the old saying that if you can't blind them with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit
You have obviously missed the guys that used to follow the Trump rallies to do the same thing to MAGA supporters.
On the other hand the average American woman probably equates Hormuz with Iran with hanging gay people so maybe she wasn't too far off.
Um, no, not all close.
It's more than just one.
Bullshit is a great description of what most leftists do.
Thanks for admitting.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!!!
Does he really not know that many countries have "droit de sol"?
Is he lying?
Does it matter?
Of course, he doesn't, Bob. He's the most uneducated, ignorant, massively stupid president ever. He has never tried to learn about the world around him unless it was to figure out how to run a scam
More than 30 countries have Birthright Citizenship, including most of the Western Hemisphere. Trump is lying or too STUPID to even know how to look it up.
There are 195 countries in the world today. This total comprises 193 countries that are member states of the United Nations and 2 countries that are non-member observer states: the Holy See and the State of Palestine.
30 is 15% - so we are to take the 15% as our barometer?
Seems like some backyard guidance.
The question at hand is whether the U.S. is the only country that has Birthright Citizenship, as Trump claimed, or is he a big, fat liar? The answer is the latter.
It's almost unanimous in the Western Hemisphere. And thinking about how those countries were settled, jus soli was probably just more practical than it was for the Old World.
Is that the best policy for the US in the 21st century? I don't know. Maybe not. But it was the clear preference in the 1860s and we should not pretend otherwise. If we don't like it, we need to amend the Constitution.
Perhaps this is off-topic, but if we are going to have the position that we should do as others do, consider healthcare. It may be that only 30ish countries have birthright citizenship, but over 75 have universal healthcare. Those countries include more than 2/3 of the world's population.
It's actually closer to 65 countries, roughly split between unconditional and conditional.
So that is where Trump comes up with 30%
Who the 65 are compared to who the 130 are is what is important.
Do you believe we are on a par with most African countries?
Any country that ends with "stan"?
My thoughts exactly.
I think he was forced to admit it that 65 countries have it
so he dismissed it as 30% isn't a majority. they're all losers, he said "diplomatically".
Yes. But does that really surprise anyone at this point?
If the SAVE Act becomes law, we will all need documented proof of citizenship just to register to vote, right?
For most people who haven’t changed their names (e.g. most married women), that will mean presenting a birth certificate. Those who have changed their names would need to produce both the birth certificate and something like a marriage certificate or other name change document.
But if being born in America no longer automatically means we are citizens, then how do any of us prove citizenship? Would anyone be able to vote in America?
... it won't be fireworks going off that you hear on the 4th.
I bet you can figure it out.
Can we? How does that work, exactly?
If you and I are not citizens by birth, what protects that citizenship when the "we need the extinction of white men" crowd returns to office?
I find the reference amusing, but I look forward to those boring people returning to office..
We are and we will be whatever the supreme court rules. So will the children of illegals born here today and tomorrow.
Just check the box marked “R”. No questions asked, you are a citizen … even if you’re not.
To the extent that they have a plan, I think it involves us never checking boxes ever again. When all of this chaos they are creating finally gels, Trump will just declare that things are too unsettled to allow for elections.
I didn't change my name with my marriage so it really bugs me that I have to show my birth certificate. I have 2 valid forms of ID...my REAL ID (driver's license) and my dependasaurus ID. Now why the hell do I have to show my birth certificate at my polling place?
Luckily, I have one.
I wonder if I can use my Costco card…
I don't see why not
Aren't you already registered to vote?
Doesn't the whole SAVE Act thing require proof of citizenship at registration and then just ID at the poll?
It has a photo.
Of course, my bride's wearing her crown in hers, I wonder what ICE will say.
As I understand it there are 38 states that already require acceptable photo ID, drivers license or a valid passport
and 12 that do not.
The states that already have it including Texas feel they already have a good policy and don't need to get into every woman's history through birth names, confirmation, marriage with a legal name change or not, divorce, remarriage, etc. That's what a social security number is for.
The usual civil rights groups have threatened to sue if it passes. 8 of the 12 states have promised to sue.
Florida copied the law practically verbatim and was sued hours after DeSantis signed it.
Of course, all of this will fall upon the counties, not the State or the Fed. How clever.
I was just thinking that I've shown an ID every time I've voted for as long as I can remember. Mrs._TX has done the same, and we've never had a problem.
It just seems to me people are overreacting in both directions, as usual.
There were many years in PA where everyone simply knew each other from church or school. Our licenses didn't have pictures, but they always compared the signature and always shared a look at the master signature book to show me how consistent my signature was over the years. Those were the good old days I suppose.
Later they switched to drivers' licenses with photo ID only, refused to even look at military ID, stupid.
Texas still checks the signature but with that electronic BS I usually have to try twice to get it close to what's on the license, lol.
Just showing ID would be a different debate. Requiring documented proof of citizenship is a much bigger demand.
Seems like I registered to vote via mail.
I wonder what the new process would look like.
This should be all that we need to consider before telling Sauer that he is full of shit.
From cahat GPT;
He's absolutely correct and your own link makes that point. You should probably read it.
You should probably read it too.
Why don't you and the rest of your "not American enough to be American " 1940's ish dipshits go fuck yourselves? I realize that it is hard seeing the country move on from "outright racist" to "only kinda racist, " fucktards, but can't you at least give a little KY to the process?
Know what might be better,
if you might try to understand it, after 'probably' rreading it.
I did. that's why I understood it and was able to point out that you didn't.
This whole debate is made up. All the keystrokes and venom that are coming from both sides are so much "sound and fury". They strut about the stage, and in the end, signify nothing.
When Democrats were on the 80 side of a 80/20 issue