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DOJ says it scrubbed news releases about Jan. 6 criminal cases from its website

  
Via:  John Russell  •  6 months ago  •  120 comments

By:   Yahoo News

DOJ says it scrubbed news releases about Jan. 6 criminal cases from its website
The Justice Department acknowledges it has removed from its website news releases about criminal cases related to the Jan. 6, 2021 riot, calling the information "partisan propaganda."

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Washington — The Department of Justice is acknowledging it has removed from its website news releases about criminal cases related to the Jan. 6, 2021 riot, calling the information about the prosecutions "partisan propaganda."

The purge of news releases documenting criminal charges, convictions and sentencings is the latest step by the Trump administration to revise the history of the assault on the Capitol, when hundreds of supporters of Republican President Trump stormed the building in an effort to halt the congressional certification of his 2020 election loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

Mr. Trump, on his first day back in office in January 2025, pardoned, commuted the prison sentences or vowed to dismiss the cases of all of the 1,500-plus people charged with crimes during the Capitol assault, including those convicted of attacking officers with makeshift weapons such as flagpoles, a hockey stick and crutch.

On Monday, the Justice Department announced the creation of a $1.776 billion fund meant to compensate Trump allies who feel they were unjustly investigated and prosecuted. Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche has not ruled out that rioters convicted of violence will be eligible for payouts, prompting bipartisan anger in Congress.

After a journalist on Friday observed on the social media platform X that the Justice Department was "quietly" removing news releases on its website that were related to the Jan. 6 attack, including about a Texas man who pleaded guilty to assault and also faced separate state charges of soliciting a minor, the department responded through its "rapid response" account that there was "nothing 'quiet' about it."

"We are proud to reverse the DOJ's weaponization under the Biden administration. We will do everything in our power to make whole those who were persecuted for political purposes," the post said. "This includes stripping DOJ's website of partisan propaganda."

Among the releases removed from the site were those concerning seditious conspiracy cases against members of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers, far-right extremist groups. The Justice Department, in an unopposed motion last month, asked a federal appeals court to vacate those seditious conspiracy convictions, a request that was granted Thursday. The department on Friday moved to dismiss the cases against the group members.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 months ago
"We are proud to reverse the DOJ's weaponization under the Biden administration. We will do everything in our power to make whole those who were persecuted for political purposes," the post said. "This includes stripping DOJ's website of partisan propaganda."

A bald faced gaslighting attempt the likes of which this country has rarely if ever seen.  (cue the Joe Biden auto pen argument)

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

AFAIC any j6 maga POS that claims part of trump's traitor bonus had better spend it all the same day they get it ...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 months ago

Many articles throughout 2025 highlighted government websites that reflected the current modern fascist party of America.

How the Indians were treated......

Slavery was just a long term  apprenticeship program.

The CDC has all but disappeared.

Goebbells would be proud; when attacked with the truth, turn it around and accuse the accusers and repeat it over and over.

More cleansing of the government internet websites will simply repeat the nonsense

this Administration has carried out with not so subtle means.

History held hostage: Trump whitewashes 250 years of U.S. history – People's World

The White House Frames the Past by Erasing Parts of It - The New York Times

Pentagon history purge highlights which stories are told and why others are ignored | PBS News

Trump directive sparks backlash over erasing Black history - The Washington Informer

Trump is whitewashing US history and embracing 'alternative facts'

Trans people, women, people of color erased from federal sites : NPR

Sounds like ancient Egypt or modern Russia?

Today the Trump Administration attacked Iran, again, this time in "self defense, ala Russia vs Ukraine.

AI is aiding and abetting the assault on the truth.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    6 months ago

What does it  possibly matter if press releases are kept on the DOJ website?

Is every press release from the ford administration displayed?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    6 months ago

The point is that it was removed soon after the creation of a $1.776 billion fund to pay Trump supporters who were 'wronged' by "DOJ's weaponization under the Biden administration".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2.1    6 months ago

Trump fosters something called the grand conspiracy

Far-right influencers have been hinting in recent weeks that they have finally found a venue — Miami — and a federal prosecutor — Jason A. Reding Quiñones — to pursue long-promised charges of a “grand conspiracy” against President Trump’s adversaries.

Their theory of the case, still unsupported by the evidence: A cabal of Democrats and “deep-state” operatives, possibly led by former President Barack Obama, has worked to destroy Mr. Trump in a yearslong plot spanning the inquiry into his 2016 campaign to the charges he faced after leaving office.

Trump Loyalists Push ‘Grand Conspiracy’ as New Subpoenas Land - The New York Times

Its like a unified theory of how to gaslight the nation and promote Donald Trump's endless and unfounded grievances. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    6 months ago

But have they found a federal judge to rubber stamp their stupid conspiracies?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    6 months ago
What does it  possibly matter if press releases are kept on the DOJ website?

Because we shouldnt pretend the truth isnt the truth

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    6 months ago

The existence or non existence of a press release on a website doesn’t have anything to do with that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    6 months ago

If you dont think the scrubbing of this information from the DOJ  website is related to the "grand conspiracy" you are kidding yourself. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.2.1    6 months ago

This is more corruption from the Trump administration.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.3    6 months ago

I downloaded the list well before POS/POTUS scrubbed the names of his traitorous maga militia off the website.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2.5  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.3    6 months ago

Trump is  trying to remove all mentions of his traitorous behavior from public documents. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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2.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    6 months ago
What does it possibly matter if press releases are kept on the DOJ website?

It doesn't matter at all

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.3    6 months ago
It doesn't matter at all

You're right, truth, facts, reality, none of those things matter to rightwing conservatives. Why would they when such MAGAites prefer feeding off the compacted fecal matter in Trumps colon within easy reach of their mouths.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @2.3    6 months ago

Of course not, nothing to see here folks.   1280   Anything that the Trump administration does that is bad (or corrupt) should be ignored as if it has not happened.

Trump supporters cannot defend this administration so they spend all their time deflecting.

Despicable.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.3.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    6 months ago
Thats funny

I think it's more sad than funny. It's sad that it rings so true. Like a discordant thud on a metal plate screwed to an empty head. How else would you describe continuing to defend Trumps rambling narratives, blatant lies, bizarre rants, bumbling what-a-boutisms and unhinged flip-flopping? The only way some folk might not be able to see that reality is if their heads are metaphorically lodged in said bumbling buffoons behind and they're having to survive off whatever they find there, because it certainly isn't truth.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    6 months ago
What does it  possibly matter if press releases are kept on the DOJ website?

You mean TRUMPS weaponized DOJ.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.5  Thomas  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    6 months ago
What does it  possibly matter if press releases are kept on the DOJ website?

Well for one it is an official document of the US government. But don't worry. Someone is keeping track and paying very close attention. 

Is every press release from the ford administration displayed?

Non sequitur: The Ford administration was before the widespread dispersal of information on the internet. It requires no further effort to keep them where they are, but it does require Effort, however minimal, to  seek them out and delete them. Which brings us to the question: Why is the US Government deleting documents created by the US Government? They are historical reference points. Whether they represent true prosecutorial overreach or not, the records of the events should stay public because that is what they are now. Removing them from public sight, which is basically what they are doing, does nothing for transparency in government, but does everything for people who wish to lie about what happened and why.

 
 
 
freepress
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3  freepress    6 months ago

Why? I thought is was "antifa", or plants by the " deep state". 

They won't have anything to backup those claims if their "proof" is gone. 

So completely corrupt and ridiculous at the same time.

The payoff slush fund is going to pay off "antifa" and deep state plants???

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  freepress @3    6 months ago
Why? I thought is was "antifa", or plants by the " deep state". 

Truth comes in dead last when your objective is to fuck over your opponent and stuff your violent religious ideology down someone's throat. Have Muslim extremists ever worried about truth? Of course not. Rightwing conservative Christian extremists like we have running our country now are no different. Their loyalty isn't to truth, it's to "winning" and they figure they'll just impose their own 'truth' after they win and massacre everyone who actually remembers what really happened.

 
 
 
Thomas
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3.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    6 months ago

The truth does not matter.

At all.

Donald Trump is so far beyond the truth mattering that he could not care less. Like Putin around the turn of the century, he is milking every last ruble, or in this case bit-coin, out of the economy because he does not care what happens after he is dead. You know the chant from thirty years ago: He who dies with the most shit wins. He is plundering the government  for all that it is worth and hanging the taxpayers out to dry for the receipts. 

Oh, yeah. And laughing all of the time.

Criminal activities while President and all the fuck-ups around him can do is nod and smile. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    6 months ago

800

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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4.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago

Well, it doesn't get any more sincere than that.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1    6 months ago

"Happy"... Memorial day...what an absolute moron.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.1    6 months ago

Veterans know you don't wish a "happy" memorial day

 
 
 
Thomas
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4.1.3  Thomas  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1    6 months ago

You forgot the sarcasm tag

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago

It's not like the whole world doesn't know he's a piece of shit. I guess when someone is too fucking stupid to know the world is laughing at the piece of shit they voted for, and by extension, them, ignorance is bliss. Some even convince themselves that what the world thinks about America doesn't matter, and for them, living in their mom's basement hoarding ammo and tin foil so they can resist the deep state mind control and fight the leftist socialists who they fantasize about coming and trying to take away their guns. Of course, no one is coming, no one wants their guns and they certainly don't want to go down in those depressing basements filled with nothing but Trump posters, crusty socks and piles of evidence reflecting likely years of severe mental illness.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2    6 months ago
It's not like the whole world doesn't know he's a piece of shit.

Yet we see people here and elsewhere still trying to defend this abysmal human being even while his actions are directly harming them personally.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @4.2.1    6 months ago
Yet we see people here and elsewhere still trying to defend this abysmal human being

I suppose none of the despots and despicable leaders could have committed the crimes, horrors and atrocities they are now known for without a large base of supporters enabling them who are just as guilty of their crimes as they are. It really is sad to see about a third of our population apparently have no problem being liars, felons and rapists.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago

fuck trmp

 
 
 
evilone
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4.4  evilone  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago
I love you all!
President DONALD J. TRUMP

Hail Hydra!

 
 
 
evilone
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4.4.1  evilone  replied to  evilone @4.4    6 months ago

I'm wondering when we'll start seeing Trump 2028 signs and who'll be his new running mate? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 months ago

Ever listen to the chief idiot explain how he came up with 'Dumacrat'.

This is a man-child with the maturity of a 5th grader and a perfect example of a low-IQ individual.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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4.5.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  TᵢG @4.5    6 months ago

“A lot of people don’t know that dumb has a b in it”.  Yeah, they’re called Trump supporters.  Seriously though, who would ever say something so fucking dumb?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.2  TᵢG  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.5.1    6 months ago
Seriously though, who would ever say something so fucking dumb?

Exactly.

Yeah, they’re called Trump supporters.

Apparently, from the applause.

It is just appalling that anyone still supports this abysmal human being.   WTF bizarre fantasy do they have in their heads?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.3  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5    6 months ago

Thanks for the clarification Donald.  I thought the word was dumbocrat.  S/

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.4  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.3    6 months ago

Does it not bother you that the face, voice, and hand of our nation has the mentality of a 5th grader?   Do you consider this man-child fit to be PotUS?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.5  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.4    6 months ago
Does it not bother you that the face, voice, and hand of our nation has the mentality of a 5th grader? 

I was thinking 6th grader.  It obviously doesn't bother me as much as it bothers you.  

 Do you consider this man-child fit to be PotUS?

I consider him to be our duly elected president. "fit" is a matter of opinion.  If he was unfit Congress should do something about it or stop whining.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.4    6 months ago
Does it not bother you that the face, voice, and hand of our nation has the mentality of a 5th grader?

Apparently, because they claim to believe democrats did it, they want to do it to.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.7  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.5    6 months ago

As expected, you consider Trump fit for office.   That is perfectly consistent with your posts.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.7    6 months ago
As expected, you consider Trump fit for office. 

Of course he is fit to be president.  Anyone that can look at it with unbiased logic knows being an asshole and having policies you don't like does not make one unfit.  Now if you can produce an official doctors document after he diagnosis Trump in person that says he is clinically insane we would be having a different conversation.  So far everyone that says he is insane or not fit have yet to produce the document.

So any stating he is not fit is just opinion.  And surprise surprise surprise, it seems to go according to party lines

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.5.9  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.8    6 months ago

Fitness for office is supposed to include basic honesty. Trump has lied to the American people tens of thousands of times.  No other president has that millstone around their neck. Trump has insulted hundreds of people, by name, in his social media. He has posted deranged holiday messages. He is a known malignant narcissist. He is a crook. He is "low IQ". He is completely corrupt.  He is megalomaniacal. He is unfit. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.10  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.5.9    6 months ago
Fitness for office is supposed to include basic honesty.

Who made that a rule?  If it was we might as well not have a president ever again.

Trump has lied to the American people tens of thousands of times. No other president has that millstone around their neck.

It is a contest?

Trump has insulted hundreds of people, by name, in his social media.

He can be an asshole.  That does not make him unfit.  Maybe that can be made a law for next election.  Assholes need not apply.

He has posted deranged holiday messages.

He has.  Again, does not make him unfit, no matter how much you would like it to.

He is a known malignant narcissist.

According to gemini :   Whether Donald Trump meets the criteria for "malignant narcissism" is a subject of intense debate among mental health professionals, politicians, and the public . Because he has never been formally evaluated by a psychiatric professional, there is no official clinical diagnosis. [ 1 , 2 ]

He is a crook.

And was still voted in by the majority of Americans

He is "low IQ".

What is his IQ and what are the requirements to be president

He is completely corrupt. 

He does have some questionable doings here.  I doubt Congress or the Senate would vote to impeach him if they could because that would be a can of worms the majority would not like opened.

He is megalomaniacal.

I have not seen an official diagnosis, have you?

He is unfit. 

Opinion, and you are welcome to it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.11  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.8    6 months ago
Of course he is fit to be president. 

And that is the reason your posts are challenged.   You think this abysmal con-man, with all the damage he has done, with his 5th-grade maturity, vindictiveness, lawlessness, incompetence, dishonesty, exploitation, brashness, etc. is actually fit to be the president of our nation.

After unnecessarily damaging the global economy, Trump created a slush fund to pay off his supporters with $1.776 billion dollars of tax revenues.   Current news.   Yet you say he is fit to be PotUS.   The only PotUS in our history who tried to steal a US presidential election with fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement.   Fit for office?   That is despicable.

What on earth goes on in the mind of someone who actually believes Trump is fit to be PotUS?   Just amazing.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.5.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.11    6 months ago

Anybody that supports this worthless POS and thinks he is fit to be POTUS is not worthy of any respect. They deserve scorn and heaps of it

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.13  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.11    6 months ago

Nice rant.

I notice you ignored the rest of the post.

Now tell me which of those opinions and dislikes (personal and policy), some true and some not true, make him unfit and what duty he is actually unfit to perform.

All you (et al) are doing is spouting opinions as to why you don't believe he is fit to be president.  Those opinions seem to be partisan as they fall upon party lines. I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.

See the difference?

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.14  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.13    6 months ago

None of what I wrote has anything whatsoever to do with party lines:  

  • abysmal con-man
  • all the damage he has done
  • 5th-grade maturity
  • vindictiveness
  • lawlessness
  • incompetence
  • dishonesty
  • exploitation
  • brashness,
  • slush fund to pay off his supporters with $1.776 billion dollars of tax revenues
  • steal a US presidential election with fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement

As usual, you have no rebuttal, so you post bullshit.

Support for Trump is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.   Trump supporters are the root cause of all the damage done by this administration.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.5.12    6 months ago
Anybody that supports this worthless POS and thinks he is fit to be POTUS is not worthy of any respect.

It's common knowledge that people tend to support candidates and politicians who reflect their own character, attitudes and beliefs. It's almost a certainty that if you support a POS, you are a POS.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.5.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.15    6 months ago

excellent analysis! You said it better than me.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.5.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.15    6 months ago

this sums them up quite well, also

512

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.18  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.14    6 months ago
None of what I wrote has anything whatsoever to do with party lines:

What a pathetic rebuttal  

What I actually said was If Trump is unfit or not seems to run down party lines.

Then you ignore both my posts because you can't refute them logically and state which duty he can't perform so all you can do is list your opinion on the things you don't like about him.  This time in bullets  

As usual, you have no rebuttal, so you post bullshit.

Since you can't rebut anything the next best thing is to accuse me of doing what you are doing

       Support for Trump is irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic. 

Of course a worn out platitude you can't prove is just the icing on the cake 

Trump supporters are the root cause of all the damage done by this administration.

I would love to see proof of that.  You obviously have no idea how to  do a root cause analysis.

So in your opinion Trump is not fit to be president and you are welcome to that opinion.  Selling it as fact is lacking any kind of proof.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.5.19  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.18    6 months ago

Is Trump fit to be President?  If so, prove it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.20  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.18    6 months ago
What I actually said was If Trump is unfit or not seems to run down party lines.

Bullshit!:

RdtC@4.5.8 ☞ Of course he is fit to be president. 

That is a full sentence.   Your opening sentence.

Those who believe this abysmal con-man is fit to be PotUS are the root of our problems.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.21  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.19    6 months ago

I dont have to. Your claim he is not. Prove it

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.21    6 months ago
I dont have to. Your claim he is not. Prove it

Besides the reality that you did in fact claim Trump "is fit to be President", the evidence Trump is unfit HAS been presented numerous times and long lists of his faults have been shown. Just because you refuse to accept it and think he's fit anyway isn't really every else's problem.

The fact is that any objective observer can easily see how unfit Trump is for office. One must go out of their way to stuff their own cranium up their dear leader's voluminous ass to avoid seeing it. That to me is the most shocking thing about all this, the stubborn willingness of Trump supporters to look facts straight in the face and scream "Nuh Uh!" and then run away to re-insert their noggin in Trump's flabby toboggan.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.23  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.20    6 months ago
Bullshit!:
RdtC@4.5.8 ☞ Of course he is fit to be president. 
That is a full sentence.   Your opening sentence.

Yes, I also stated: So any stating he is not fit is just opinion.  And surprise surprise surprise, it seems to go according to party lines.  To which you replied  None of what I wrote has anything whatsoever to do with party lines:  To which I replied:  What I actually said was If Trump is unfit or not seems to run down party lines.

You don't get to change the narrative because you got caught spouting nonsense.  Trying to change the narrative is further proof you have no rebuttal 

Those who believe this abysmal con-man is fit to be PotUS are the root of our problems. 

I would love to see proof of that.  You obviously have no idea how to  do a root cause analysis.

So in your opinion Trump is not fit to be president and you are welcome to that opinion.  Selling it as fact is lacking any kind of proof.

Just repeating more nonsense because there is no rebuttal. 

All you (et al) are doing is spouting opinions as to why you don't believe he is fit to be president.  Those opinions seem to be partisan as they fall upon party lines. I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.  You have done nothing to change that.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.5.24  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.21    6 months ago

Wow.  What a bullshit comment.  Let's break it down.

Is Trump fit to be President?  If so, prove it.
I don't have to.

We will accept that as your admission that you cannot prove Trump is fit to be President.

Your claim he is not.

Where anywhere in this entire seed did I claim Trump is not fit to be President?  Prove it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.25  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.22    6 months ago
the evidence Trump is unfit HAS been presented numerous times and long lists of his faults have been shown. Just because you refuse to accept it and think he's fit anyway isn't really every else's problem.

All you (et al) are doing is spouting opinions as to why you don't believe he is fit to be president.  Those opinions seem to be partisan as they fall upon party lines. I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.

The fact is that any objective observer can easily see how unfit Trump is for office.

So the proof is "trust me bro, everyone knows it".  Wow

One must go out of their way to stuff their own cranium up their dear leader's voluminous ass to avoid seeing it. That to me is the most shocking thing about all this, the stubborn willingness of Trump supporters to look facts straight in the face and scream "Nuh Uh!" and then run away to re-insert their noggin in Trump's flabby toboggan.

Funny how people say Trump says things worthy of a fifth grader and then proceed to do the same.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.26  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.24    6 months ago
We will accept that as your admission that you cannot prove Trump is fit to be President.

Of course you will.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.27  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.25    6 months ago
I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.

Do you believe being a convicted felon makes you "fit" to be President?

Do you believe being found liable of sexual assault in a court of law makes you "fit" to be President?

Do you believe being impeached twice already by congress in a first term makes one "fit" to be President?

Even everything he has done as President has proved him unfit for office. Building his cabinet on loyalty instead of competence proves him unfit. His reckless starting of a war with Iran proves he's not fit. His paying off porn whores to keep them quiet during his first campaign proved him unfit to be President. The list goes on and on and on, but of course those with his shit coming out of their ears clearly don't notice a thing and keep saying stupid things like "prove it" when it has been beyond proven, it's an undeniable fact. The fact that some dumb fucks refuse to accept it won't really be our problem when patriotic Americans kick this disgusting slimy lying criminal out of the Whitehouse which hopefully will happen sooner than later after the landslide win for Democrats coming up in the midterms. It's going to be quite enjoyable watching all the MAGA loyal losers run and cry as their candidates get utterly creamed into paste in November. Sanity, reason, honesty and integrity will finally be coming back to congress as they will step up and do the job of oversight that these worthless MAGA loyalists have been avoiding at all costs for the last two years.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.28  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.24    6 months ago

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Right Down the Center
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4.5.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.27    6 months ago

Right, you don't like him, and you don't like what he does. That does not make him unfit

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.5.30  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.29    6 months ago

He is totally unfit.  After you tell us all the proof you have of his fitness to be President, we will conclusively prove his unfitness.  Go ahead.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.31  Right Down the Center  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.30    6 months ago
we will conclusively prove his unfitness. 

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Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.32  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.29    6 months ago
Right, you don't like him, and you don't like what he does. That does not make him unfit

I think what most proves he is unfit was his pardoning of hundreds of violent felons who attacked police officers and broke in and vandalized our capital while chanting direct threats of violence and murder against the Vice President of the United States. And not only did he pardon them, not because they weren't guilty, but because they committed the crimes on his behalf, but he has also set up a nearly $2 billion dollar slush fund to pay the violent criminals now that he set them free to commit more crimes on his behalf.

I'm not really sure how the fuck you would get anymore 'unfit' than that, unless the position we're debating his fitness for is 'Fuhrer' and not President. I'll admit, if you're making an argument for his fitness as 'Fuhrer' you nailed it and I'm sure all Trumps little brown-nosing bitch enablers and sad blueballed incels would agree. Thankfully, those loser morons won't be in power much longer. Trump's free ride with zero oversight because of the spineless Republicans in congress is coming to an end and it's going to be a 48 car pile-up that's going to happen in slow motion over the next two years as we get some daylight into the Whitehouse and not even his most ardent loyalists will be able to defend his blatant criminality when it is inevitably exposed.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.5.33  Gsquared  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.31    6 months ago

It is amazing how much some Republicans love their corrupt, 34 times convicted felon Dear Leader Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.34  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.23    6 months ago
Yes, I also stated

Irrelevant.

You made a claim.   The fact that you immediately tried to walk it back is just par for the course for your posts.

And bullshit again on your party lines nonsense.   You think the majority (independents) who disapprove of Trump are doing so because of party lines?

See, that is the key problem with partisans like you — hard core partisans do not believe people can operate outside of party lines.   They do not believe it is possible that people engage in critical thinking and do not care what a political party's position is on a matter.

You think Trump is fit to be PotUS.   That fully explains your comment history and is of no surprise to me.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.35  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.29    6 months ago

This is so ridiculous.   

Trump tried to steal the 2020 election with coercion, lying, fraud, and incitement.   That alone makes him unfit for office.   All the shit he has done since being reelected just doubles and triples down on that obvious fact.

Incredible that anyone does not see this.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.36  TᵢG  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.33    6 months ago

It is disgusting.   Irrational, irresponsible, and unpatriotic.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.5.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.29    6 months ago

Yesterday he was demanding the Arab states join the Abraham Accords (so he can get that Nobel Peace Prize.)   Today, there’s this:

As president, Trump has racked up an astonishing list of countries he’s both threatened to attack and actually attacked. Trump added a new entry to that list on Wednesday,  threatening to strike Oman  if it tries to control the Strait of Hormuz along with Iran.

“Oman will behave just like everybody else, or we’ll have to blow ‘em up,” Trump said at a White House Cabinet meeting.

It was particularly striking because it was phrased like an aside — something Trump seemingly casually dropped with little thought beforehand. And that’s become somewhat typical for Trump.

Oman is at least the 15th country that he has either threatened to attack, left open the possibility of attacking, or actually attacked during his two terms as president. Nearly all of those instances occurred in the first 16 months of his second term, though some span both terms.

He’s launched  strikes in seven countries  so far this term — Iran, Iraq, Nigeria, Somalia, Syria, Venezuela and Yemen — after also attacking some of those countries in his first term. That doesn’t even count the  strikes on alleged drug-trafficking boats  in the Caribbean Sea and Pacific Ocean, which have targeted nearly 60 vessels and killed more than 190 people.

He has also threatened or left open the possibility of strikes against seven others this term: Canada, Colombia, Cuba, Greenland (which is part of Denmark), Mexico, Panama and now Oman. He also threatened Mexico and North Korea in his first term.

He can’t stop doing it because it’s who he is. The “peace president” who would never start a war is actually a hostile, bombastic, warmongering, monster who is just too chickenshit to actually do much more than drop a bunch of bombs and call himself a a hero.

Still think he's fit?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.38  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gsquared @4.5.33    6 months ago
It is amazing how much some Republicans love their corrupt, 34 times convicted felon Dear Leader Trump.

One might think this was a scripted comedy if it wasn't actually happening before our eyes.

"Is Trump fit to be President?"

"Trump is a 34 times convicted felon, accused by two dozen women of sexual assault, proved liable for one of them in court, accused of raping a 13-year-old along with a friend of whom he said “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”, paid multiple porn stars nearly a quarter million during his campaign to keep them quiet about their affairs, cheated on all three of his wives, ran multiple businesses into bankruptcy, had his charity shut down and fined for fraud, two of his companies—The Trump Corporation and Trump Payroll Corp.—were found guilty on 17 counts of criminal tax fraud and falsifying business records, he was impeached twice in his first term for abuse of power and obstruction of congress, one of which was related to his inciting a violent insurrection in an effort to illegally keep himself in power,  claimed he can reduce prices on things by 1500%, he posted a cgi video of himself sharting on Americans, he threatened to attack an ally nation just because he thinks owning it would be cool, he used tariffs as a cudgel and caused uncertainty in the markets that were ruled incantational so now we have to PAY BACK the money Trump stole from businesses, he started a monumentally stupid war of choice and LIED about how long it would take and now every American is paying the price at the pump, has disrespected every female reporter that didn't faun over him, and on top of all that, he rambles, slurs words and is often incoherent."

"Well, 'fit' is a matter of opinion".

"Indeed it is, and if anyone can consider that man 'fit' they either love criminals and fraud and lying and that by 'fit' they mean the most corrupt President in history, or they're just a dipshit troll getting his jollies off pulling people chains by expressing the stupidest most inane fascist opinions they can manage."
 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.39  TᵢG  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.38    6 months ago
One might think this was a scripted comedy if it wasn't actually happening before our eyes.

It is cultish behavior.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.40  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.25    6 months ago
I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.

The epitome of irrational denial.

You ignore that he:

  • tried to steal the 2020 election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement
  • surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants
  • tried to keep classified documents and obstructed their safe return for months
  • engaged in true lawfare, blatantly so, directing the AG (never should be done) to go after select political opponents (e.g. Comey, James, Cook, ...)
  • coerced private businesses (e.g. Perkins Coie LLP) and universities (e.g. Harvard) with threats of denying federal business opportunities/funding
  • overstepped authority and effectively killed USAID, which was congressionally approved, and abruptly, irresponsibly cut life-critical funding worldwide
  • removed watch dogs (e.g. inspectors general, FTC commissioner Rebecca Slaughter,...) and fired DoJ attorneys, et.al. who worked on his indictments
  • unilaterally destroyed the East Wing
  • accepts outrageously expensive gifts such as the Qatar jet (which will now cost at least $400 million in taxpayer dollars to prepare)
  • renamed the Kennedy center to arrogantly put his own name as top billing
  • abused the use of the National guard to deploy to cities as a political show
  • more than doubled ICE personnel with demonstrably poorly vetted, poorly trained individuals, and then unleashed them en masse into communities
  • abuse of tariff power which pointlessly damaged USA reputation worldwide and triggered trading partners to strategically establish trade alternatives other than the USA
  • pullback from WHO, UN, UNFCCC, etc. reducing the USA's international leadership
  • anti climate change initiatives (as if trying to further damage the environment)
  • destroyed the East Wing and wants taxpayers to foot $1 billion to provide the necessary security infrastructure his ballroom
  • blatant attempt to steal the 2026 midterms by coercing states to gerrymander for political (not census) reasons
  • failed miserably on his campaign promise to lower prices
  • failed miserably on his campaign promise to end the Ukraine war
  • is a national embarrassment given he is the voice, face, and hand of the USA, yet publicly trolls our allies (in particular, Canada) and whines about not being awarded the Peace Prize and then vindictively threatens not to be motivated for peace
  • has substantially increased both deficit spending and the national debt (in direct opposition of his promises)
  • has created a $1.776 billion slush fund using taxpayer dollars to pay his supporters after commuting the sentences of his mob that violently breached the Capitol to disrupt a session of Congress
  • has created an IRS invulnerability for himself, his sons, and his businesses
  • used DoJ to vindictively go after E. Jean Carroll because she won a lawsuit against him

Trump does not view the presidency as a solemn duty but rather as a license to do whatever pleases him personally.

Since when does a patriot approve of a PotUS abusing the powers and influence of his office for personal gain?

Given you think Trump is fit to be PotUS, what must a person do to be unfit in your eyes?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.5.41  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.32    6 months ago
not even his most ardent loyalists will be able to defend his blatant criminality when it is inevitably exposed.

But they sure as hell will try as evidenced in this very thread

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.42  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.25    6 months ago
Funny how people say Trump says things worthy of a fifth grader and then proceed to do the same.

Right, because most 5th graders use words like 'cranium', 'voluminous', 'noggin' and 'toboggan' in their everyday conversations.

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Here's another example of why Trump is unfit and worse than a 5th grader.

I would be fine paying a 5th grader to mow my lawn, and I would have FAR more faith in the 5th grader to complete the job competently and in a timely manner than I would Trump. Trump hasn't done an honest day's work with his hands in his entire life, that right there makes him supremely unqualified to be President making decisions for actual working Americans.

Would anyone here hire Trump as an employee if he applied to work for you? Would anyone trust him to be honest, truthful, hardworking and reliable?

Now, I'm sure some here would indeed claim they'd leap to hire him because they're not actually answering truthfully thinking about this lazy piece of shit actually doing work. If they're imagining themselves frolicking in the grass with their scum bag hero and thinking how great it would be to have his ass all to themselves to stuff their heads up as much as they wanted, then the question was not for them. Of course, there will always be some loser shmuck sycophants desperately trying to dock with the President who would hire him in a heartbeat, so they don't need to answer the question, we already know their reply.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.43  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.40    6 months ago
The epitome of irrational denial.

Actually the epitome of rational thinking without emotion

You ignore that he:

Thanks you for (yet) another list of reasons you don't think Trump is a good president.  So he is making decisions you (and in some cases me)  don't like.  None of them raise to being unfit.  I don't ignore what he is doing, I just don't get my panties in a bunch with every breath he takes, get emotional and scream "unfit" from the mountaintop.

Trump does not view the presidency as a solemn duty but rather as a license to do whatever pleases him personally.

Another emotional declaration devoid of proof

Since when does a patriot approve of a PotUS abusing the powers and influence of his office for personal gain?

So now you are trying to define what a patriot is based on your opinions?  Cool

Given you think Trump is fit to be PotUS, what must a person do to be unfit in your eyes?

That is simple.  Until a doctor (not internet doctor, talking head or doctor on cable news paid to say what they want) examine Trump in person and determine in an official report that he is unfit to perform his duties as the President people screaming "unfit" are just barking at the moon.  When you have that let me know, until then your opinions are just your opinions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.44  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.43    6 months ago
Thanks you for (yet) another list of reasons you don't think Trump is a good president.

The problem is that you see that list, cannot refute it, and still reprehensibly hold that Trump is fit to be PotUS.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.45  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.44    6 months ago
The problem is that you see 

my response as to what it would take for me to agree he is unfit and ignore it.  Since you can't refute it you make a thinly veiled insult.

When you have an official report stating he is unfit to perform his duties as the President let me know, until then your opinions are just your opinions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.46  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.45    6 months ago

You refused to say what it would take and merely deferred to a medical opinion.   Thus, you claim you have no opinion and that you will merely accept a medical opinion.

More bullshit from you.

It is pathetic to watch people with no argument defer rather than deal with reality.   We see this all the time with Trump supporters.   After Trump tried to steal the 2020 election, his supporters refused to deal with the reality right in front of their noses and merely posted "where is the indictment?".   After the indictments came they posted "where is the trial?".   If the trials had taken place, they would have posted "rigged".

Rational minds see this utter nonsense from Trump supporters.   It is not as though your stupid games are persuading anyone.   So why do you persist with these obvious, pathetic attempts to defend Trump?   To what end?

I gave you a damning list that by historical standards would have been far more than necessary to deem any PotUS unfit for office.   Just imagine any other PotUS doing what Trump has done (especially the 2020 fraud, lying, coercion, and incitement).   

Yet you cannot bring yourself to even acknowledge the bizarrely outrageous behavior that makes Trump unfit to be PotUS.   You defer (a deflection) to others rather than opine.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.47  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.46    6 months ago
deferred to a medical opinion

Why yes, yes I did.

More bullshit from you.

No, just something you don't like so you have to try and minimize it.

It is pathetic 

Sorry to hear you feel that way.

Rational minds

Are obviously in short supply

persuading anyone

Unlike some here I am giving my opinion, not trying to persuade people that my opinion is the only logical one.  I don't feel the need to prove I am the smartest person in the room.

to defend Trump

With all due respect.....Yawn

I gave you a damning list

Of emotional opinions

behavior that makes Trump unfit to be PotUS.   

Because he is not unfit until it is proven he is unfit.  

You defer (a deflection) to others rather than opine.

Instead of pretending I am an internet doctor I defer to real doctors to make that determination and will abide by their decision, if and when there is one.  Unlike some, I will admit when there are people more qualified to make determinations.  You seem to try (and fail) to make that a bad thing. 

When you have an official report stating he is unfit to perform his duties as the President let me know, until then your opinions are just your opinions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.48  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.47    6 months ago

Bottom line, you (reprehensibly) believe Trump is fit to be PotUS and have been presented with a list of reasons which clearly show he is unfit.

You have no rebuttal.   You cannot even state what is required for you to consider Trump unfit other than to defer to a doctor and just accept whatever s/he says.

Your pitiful dodges will not persuade a rational person.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.49  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.47    6 months ago
Are obviously in short supply

...among rightwing conservatives.

Unlike some here I am giving my opinion

The opinion you've given is akin to saying "I believe urine is dry" and then refusing to provide any logical or rational argument for your opinion. And when others are incredulous or mock such a silly opinion, you just double down and keep repeating "It's my opinion urine is dry" which, technically, is irrefutable since no one else can decide on your own opinion no matter how deluded, stupid, irrational and just plain crazy it is.

With all due respect

Neither Trump nor his brainless defenders deserve even the illusion of respect.

Because he is not unfit until it is proven he is unfit.

We get it, you're unwilling to admit that urine is wet even if everyone was pissing in your face and drenching you in its wetness.

I defer to real doctors to make that determination

Would you 'defer' to a real doctor to determine the 'fitness' of a square block going into a round hole? Determining Presidential fitness is far more than just passing a basic cognitive test and a physical. It's about whether they are 'fit' for the office as most Americans have come to expect from their Presidents. Patriotic Americans consider a Presidents attitude, ability to lead, ability to communicate, ability to reach across the aisle when necessary and get things done for the American people. An American Presidents word should be reliable and something other world leaders and the American people can trust. I would be suspicious of this lying President piece of shit if he said the sun will come up tomorrow and have to wonder just how he might be able to fuck that up for the planet.

When you have an official report stating he is unfit to perform his duties as the President let me know

When the official in charge of making that report knows they'll be attacked and fired if they dared to offend the mob of dumb shit bigots' hero by telling the truth, any official report will be just as fraudulent and full of holes as everything else this feckless moronic administration does.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
4.5.50  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.49    6 months ago

Character doesn't matter to these people! They like having a POTUS who is so corrupt because he gives them permission to be as corrupt. 

That's why I don't engage with the NT MAGAs anymore. And if they are defending trmp, they are MAGA

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.51  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.49    6 months ago

That is alot of words

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.52  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.51    6 months ago
That is alot of words

I type fast. My father was not only a local minister he was a typesetter for the Columbus dispatch back in the 1970's when phototypesetting was first starting to be used which he preferred over placing actual large metal letters from the 'Upper Case' and the small metal letters from the 'Lower case' in the print box. I'm not nearly as fast as he was at 230 words a minute, but I hold my own.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.53  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.48    6 months ago
Bottom line, you (reprehensibly) believe Trump is fit to be PotUS

Nothing reprehensible about it.

and have been presented with a list of reasons which clearly show he is unfit.

I have been shown your OPINION (ad nauseum) as to why you don't like Trump.  The fact remains it is just your OPINION.

You have no rebuttal.   

I don't need a rebuttal to your OPINION.  You are welcome to it.

You cannot even state what is required for you to consider Trump unfit other than to defer to a doctor and just accept whatever s/he says.

Yes, that is better than being or listening to internet Doctors or "experts", especially ones that have shown a lack of ability to be unbiased over the past few years (at least) 

Your pitiful dodges will not persuade a rational person.

Nothing pitiful about it

Nothing dodging about it

Not trying to persuade anyone.

Repeating your OPINION dozens of times a day will not persuade a rational person.  They will see it for what it is, YOUR OPINION.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.54  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.51    6 months ago

By the way, regardless of how crazy some of the things rightwing conservatives say here, or how wild and delusional their defenses of their dear Leader become, I honestly believe that any one of you would be far more fit for the office of President than Dumbshit Donnie.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.5.55  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.53    6 months ago
Repeating your OPINION dozens of times a day will not persuade a rational person.

Absolutely, as proven by how there is zero evidence any rational persons have ever been persuaded by your copious number of conservative opinions.

I do wonder if you'll answer this question honestly, would you consider a President 'fit' if everything they were doing was exactly what Trump has done and is doing, from the tariffs to the war in Iran, if it had been Kamala who had won and then enacted the exact same agenda as Trump has. Would you be singing her praises? If not, then it's clearly not about acting or being Presidential, but apparently the letter after their name is the only thing that determines their fitness for some.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.56  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.53    6 months ago

Pathetic, all you have is to declare my opinion (backed by verifiable facts) an opinion.

Just pathetic.

Nothing reprehensible about it.

Deeming Trump fit to be PotUS is entirely reprehensible.   

Trump:

  • tried to steal the 2020 election through fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement
  • surrounded himself with incompetent sycophants
  • tried to keep classified documents and obstructed their safe return for months
  • engaged in true lawfare, blatantly so, directing the AG (never should be done) to go after select political opponents (e.g. Comey, James, Cook, ...)
  • coerced private businesses (e.g. Perkins Coie LLP) and universities (e.g. Harvard) with threats of denying federal business opportunities/funding
  • overstepped authority and effectively killed USAID, which was congressionally approved, and abruptly, irresponsibly cut life-critical funding worldwide
  • removed watch dogs (e.g. inspectors general, FTC commissioner Rebecca Slaughter,...) and fired DoJ attorneys, et.al. who worked on his indictments
  • unilaterally destroyed the East Wing
  • accepts outrageously expensive gifts such as the Qatar jet (which will now cost at least $400 million in taxpayer dollars to prepare)
  • renamed the Kennedy center to arrogantly put his own name as top billing
  • abused the use of the National guard to deploy to cities as a political show
  • more than doubled ICE personnel with demonstrably poorly vetted, poorly trained individuals, and then unleashed them en masse into communities
  • abuse of tariff power which pointlessly damaged USA reputation worldwide and triggered trading partners to strategically establish trade alternatives other than the USA
  • pullback from WHO, UN, UNFCCC, etc. reducing the USA's international leadership
  • anti climate change initiatives (as if trying to further damage the environment)
  • destroyed the East Wing and wants taxpayers to foot $1 billion to provide the necessary security infrastructure his ballroom
  • blatant attempt to steal the 2026 midterms by coercing states to gerrymander for political (not census) reasons
  • failed miserably on his campaign promise to lower prices
  • failed miserably on his campaign promise to end the Ukraine war
  • is a national embarrassment given he is the voice, face, and hand of the USA, yet publicly trolls our allies (in particular, Canada) and whines about not being awarded the Peace Prize and then vindictively threatens not to be motivated for peace
  • has substantially increased both deficit spending and the national debt (in direct opposition of his promises)
  • has created a $1.776 billion slush fund using taxpayer dollars to pay his supporters after commuting the sentences of his mob that violently breached the Capitol to disrupt a session of Congress
  • has created an IRS invulnerability for himself, his sons, and his businesses
  • used DoJ to vindictively go after E. Jean Carroll because she won a lawsuit against him

Trump does not view the presidency as a solemn duty but rather as a license to do whatever pleases him personally.

Since when does a patriot approve of a PotUS abusing the powers and influence of his office for personal gain?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Participates
4.5.57  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.25    6 months ago

I am stating that no one has actually provided anything to prove he is unfit.

This might make sense if you could provide some examples of what you feel is unfit behavior for a sitting POTUS.  And not some stupid shit like murdering someone, give examples of what you feel is narrowly on the wrong side of fitness.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.58  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.56    6 months ago

Really?  Resorting to recycling and regurgitating things you have already posted like it means something now?

Pathetic, all you have is to declare my opinion (backed by verifiable facts) an opinion.

What's pathetic is when someone has to misrepresent someone's statement to try to change the meaning.  You have proven why you don't like Trump, not why he is unfit.  That is still just your opinion.

Just pathetic.

It sure is

Deeming Trump fit to be PotUS is entirely reprehensible.   

Still just your opinion.

Trump does not view the presidency as a solemn duty but rather as a license to do whatever pleases him personally.

Still just your opinion

         Since when does a patriot approve of a PotUS abusing the powers and influence of               his office for personal gain?

If you actually read my posts you would see the response to this.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
4.5.59  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.58    6 months ago

Watching you, yet again, dishonestly ignore what is right in your face as you deem Trump fit to be PotUS.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.60  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.5.57    6 months ago
examples of what you feel is unfit behavior

As stated in 4.5.47:

Instead of pretending I am an internet doctor I defer to real doctors to make that determination and will abide by their decision, if and when there is one.  Unlike some, I will admit when there are people more qualified to make determinations.   

When you have an official report stating he is unfit to perform his duties as the President let me know 

Donald can be a boorish asshole. IMO that does not make him unfit and obviously he was elected by people that knew full well what he is.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Professor Participates
4.5.62  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.59    6 months ago
Watching you, yet again, dishonestly ignore what is right in your face as you deem Trump fit to be PotUS.

Hmm, had to add the word dishonestly to the post.  What is done dishonestly is ignoring a response and just posting the same thing.

Again, if you read my responses you would know that is not the case.

I don't ignore what he is doing, I just don't get my panties in a bunch with every breath he takes, get emotional and scream "unfit" from the mountaintop.

If you refuse to  read or just ignore what I say I will just stop responding.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.63  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.62    6 months ago
I just don't get my panties in a bunch with every breath he takes, get emotional and scream "unfit" from the mountaintop.

I think that's what we're all wondering, what would be the thing that a President could do that would illicit such a response from you?

And a follow up question, only because it seems necessary based on what seems a proclivity to irrationally defend him, what would be the thing that THIS President could do that would illicit such a response from you?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.64  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.63    6 months ago
I think that's what we're all wondering, what would be the thing that a President could do that would illicit such a response from you?

My responses would be the same no matter who is president.  I am not qualified to determine who is fit so the assumption is a president, any president, is fit until someone proves he is not fit.  At that point there are things in place to address it.

All the babbling on line is just partisan bullshit.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.65  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.64    6 months ago
I am not qualified to determine who is fit

So, you're not a registered voter? At the end of the day, We the People determine who is fit and yes, somehow a deluded third of our nation bamboozled just enough independents to lean Republican and give Donald one more chance. Since taking office, he has fucked our nation every which way but Sunday and has lost independents support and even some of his own base who now believe him unfit. So, at MOST we have two more years under this criminal that some half-wit deluded bigots elected, after that the pendulum will have swung back so far it will remind the southern religious conservative bigots of August 1866.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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4.5.66  Gazoo  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.53    6 months ago

“ Repeating your OPINION dozens of times a day will not persuade a rational person.  They will see it for what it is, YOUR OPINION .”

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Hal A. Lujah
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4.5.67  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.60    6 months ago

So no, you can’t answer the question.  Instead, you defer to a highly qualified professional, because god forbid you express an informed opinion like everyone else here.  If a coder were to design a troll bot, that is exactly how it would respond.  Just sayin.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.68  Right Down the Center  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @4.5.67    6 months ago
 express an informed opinion like everyone else here

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Hal A. Lujah
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4.5.69  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.68    6 months ago

800

 
 
 
TᵢG
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4.5.70  TᵢG  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.62    6 months ago
I don't ignore what he is doing, ...

You think Trump is fit for office.   By definition, you are ignoring what he is doing.

Anyone who thinks someone who tried to steal a US presidential election with fraud, coercion, lying, and incitement is fit to be PotUS is ignoring the reality of Trump.   And, per my list, that is just the starting point.

What rational mind could possibly think someone who would create a $1.776 billion slush fund for his supporters using taxpayer dollars is fit to be PotUS?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.5.71  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.60    6 months ago
he was elected by people that knew full well what he is.

irrelevant

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.72  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JohnRussell @4.5.71    6 months ago
irrelevant

In a way, it is relevant. He was elected by people that knew full well what he is. Let that sink in. That's who we're now dealing with, people who knowingly elected an old lying criminal sexual predator. I think that says far more about them than it does about Trump. Like they said, everyone knew what he is.

“You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in.” - Donald J Trump

The bitter, aggrieved, angry, often poorly educated religious conservatives have been foretelling prophecies of their God coming and wiping out their enemies and turning the planet into a white conservative Christian haven for a very long time. With Trump they saw an opportunity to make that dream come true, a self-fulfilling prophecy where they would 'destroy' what they've labeled 'evil' which is pretty much anything that says "no" to them or their objectives of creating a white Christian fantasy land America like they remember in the 1950's. Of course, that fantasy comes at a cost which is to shove everything they hate back into the closet like minorities, lgtbq Americans, liberals, woman's rights, abortion rights, the sexual revolution, brown immigrants applying for asylum (white ones will still be okay though), anything they deem 'evil'.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.73  Right Down the Center  replied to  TᵢG @4.5.70    6 months ago
By definition

Bullshit 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.74  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @4.5.71    6 months ago

Not really

 
 
 
Thomas
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4.5.75  Thomas  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.64    6 months ago
I am not qualified to determine who is fit so the assumption is a president, any president, is fit until someone proves he is not fit.  At that point there are things in place to address it.

Hahahahahaha.

So you admit that you are unable to distinguish right from wrong on an epic scale, in addition to not being qualified to vote. Which leads me to the question: Did you Vote? If so, for Whom?

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.76  Right Down the Center  replied to  Thomas @4.5.75    5 months ago
So you admit that you are unable to distinguish right from wrong on an epic scale, in addition to not being qualified to vote

That is quite the rediculous jump. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.77  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.76    5 months ago
That is quite the rediculous jump. 

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That's the color of the MAGA hats - Rediculous...

They're red and make one look ridiculous.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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4.5.78  Right Down the Center  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.5.77    5 months ago

Speaking of ridiculous, guys with a pussy hat

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Dismayed Patriot
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4.5.79  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Right Down the Center @4.5.78    5 months ago

I don't know, that looks warm and says he supports a woman's right to bodily autonomy.

Look's better to me than the misogynist incels who demand the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body.

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"Make Women Have Sex with Me Again!" hats...

 
 
 
devangelical
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5  devangelical    6 months ago

the policies of trump and maga are what is needed to be scrubbed from american history ...

 
 
 
Thomas
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6  Thomas    6 months ago

Trump is scum and unable to fulfill the requirements of the job of President.

To wit (thank you Chat GPT for your assistance):

Trump fails the job at its foundation. The President swears to “faithfully execute” the office and to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution,” and Article II also requires him to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” When Trump was asked whether citizens and noncitizens deserve Fifth Amendment due process, he answered, “I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not a lawyer.” That is not a minor gaffe. Due process is not a technicality delegated to staff counsel. It is one of the basic limits on executive power. 

He is hostile to the peaceful transfer of power.

Special Counsel Jack Smith concluded that Trump engaged in an “unprecedented criminal effort” to hold onto power after losing the 2020 election. The case was not dropped because the conduct was cleared; it was dropped after Trump returned to office, because of the Justice Department’s policy against prosecuting a sitting president. A president who tried to remain in power after losing an election has already failed the central democratic test of the office

He rewards attacks on constitutional government.

On January 20, 2025, Trump commuted sentences for named Jan. 6 defendants and granted “a full, complete and unconditional pardon” to others convicted of offenses related to the Capitol attack. He also directed the Attorney General to seek dismissal of pending Jan. 6 cases. AP later reported that his Justice Department removed Jan. 6 prosecution releases from its website, calling them “partisan propaganda,” and noted that his clemency covered more than 1,500 people charged in the Capitol assault, including people convicted of attacking officers. That is moral rot dressed up as reconciliation.

His personal conduct shows contempt for law and accountability.

Trump was convicted in the New York hush-money case, and the sentencing judge imposed an unconditional discharge while leaving the judgment of guilt on the record. A New York appeals court later threw out the half-billion-dollar civil fraud penalty but preserved the fraud case against him, with Reuters noting that the trial judge had found Trump deceived lenders and insurers. A jury also found Trump liable to E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation, and Reuters reported that an appeals court upheld the separate $5 million verdict. He denies wrongdoing, but the pattern is still there: fraud, defamation, sexual abuse liability, felony conviction, and permanent self-victimization.

He treats public power as a shield for allies and a weapon against enemies.

A federal judge found that Trump violated the law when firing inspectors general, the independent watchdogs meant to police government misconduct. Reuters also reported current Republican pushback against Trump’s proposed $1.776 billion “anti-weaponization” fund, with critics warning it could become a slush fund for allies, including Jan. 6 rioters. Republican Senator Thom Tillis summarized the problem plainly: someone could assault a police officer, get convicted, get pardoned, and then get paid. That goes directly to fitness. The job requires faithful execution of the laws, not turning the government into a compensation machine for loyalists.

His national-security judgment is reckless.

Top Trump administration officials mistakenly disclosed Yemen war plans in a Signal group chat that included a journalist. A later Pentagon Inspector General review, according to Reuters, faulted Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for using Signal on a personal device to transmit sensitive strike information, saying it could have endangered troops if intercepted. Trump still said Hegseth was “totally safe.” The commander-in-chief’s job is not just to posture. It is to protect the chain of command, protect operational security, and hold subordinates accountable when they endanger American personnel.

He is hollowing out competence and replacing it with loyalty.

Reuters reported in May 2026 that U.S. diplomacy under Trump has been reshaped around threats, personal envoys, vacant embassies, and sidelined career diplomats. More than half of America’s 195 ambassadorial posts were vacant, about 3,000 State Department employees had left, and foreign governments increasingly relied on back channels to understand U.S. policy. That supports the “unable to fulfill the job” side of the claim: he weakens the institutions needed to execute policy and substitutes personal access for professional governance

Trump is morally unfit and functionally unfit. The presidency requires fidelity to the Constitution, respect for lawful elections, competent execution of the laws, and enough personal integrity to put the country above himself. Trump has failed each test. He tried to overturn an election he lost. He pardoned the people who attacked the Capitol on his behalf. He has a felony conviction, civil fraud findings, and sexual-abuse and defamation liability in the public record. He has used public power to protect allies, punish enemies, purge watchdogs, and recast law enforcement as persecution whenever it touches him. That is not merely bad policy. It is a demonstrated hostility to the obligations of the office.

Anything said after this exposure to factual information indicating that he is in fact and deed unfit for office must have answers for all of these detriments as well as associated proof that world as a whole (right-wing fringe excepted) is not either laughing at us or wondering just where they went wrong in putting their faith in the US Government.

 
 

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