Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab

  
Via:  Nerm_L  •  3 months ago  •  202 comments

By:   Natalie Musumeci (New York Post)

Chinese virologist says she has proof COVID-19 was made in Wuhan lab
A Chinese virologist who has reportedly been in hiding for fear of her safety has stepped out into the public eye again to make the explosive claim that she has the scientific evidence to prove COVID-19 was man-made in a lab in China.

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Of course, Dr. Yan isn't a reliable source because she isn't anonymous.  And Dr. Yan's research and information hasn't been peer reviewed.  And a trusted member of the Chinese science community who directs the Wuhan Institute of Virology has denied everything.


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A Chinese virologist who has reportedly been in hiding for fear of her safety has stepped out into the public eye again to make the explosive claim that she has the scientific evidence to prove COVID-19 was man-made in a lab in China.

Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a scientist who says she did some of the earliest research into COVID-19 last year, made the comments Friday during an interview on British talk show “Loose Women.”

When asked where the deadly virus that has killed more than 900,000 around the globe comes from, Yan — speaking via video chat from a secret location — replied, “It comes from the lab — the lab in Wuhan and the lab is controlled by China’s government.”

She insisted that widespread reports that the virus originated last year from a wet market in Wuhan, China, are “a smokescreen.”

“The first thing is the [meat] market in Wuhan … is a smokescreen and this virus is not from nature,” Yan claimed, explaining that she got “her intelligence from the CDC in China, from the local doctors.”

The virologist has previously accused Beijing of lying about when it learned of the killer bug and engaging in an extensive cover-up of her work.

She had said that her former supervisors at the Hong Kong School of Public Health, a reference laboratory for the World Health Organization, silenced her when she sounded the alarm about human-to-human transmission in December last year.

In April, Yan reportedly fled Hong Kong and escaped to America to raise awareness about the pandemic.

Now, she said she is planning to release scientific evidence to prove that the virus was made inside a lab in Wuhan.

“The genome sequence is like a human finger print,” she told the talk show. “So based on this you can identify these things. I use the evidence … to tell people why this has come from the lab in China, why they are the only ones who made it.”

Yan added, “Anyone, even if you have no biology knowledge, you can read it, and you can check and identify and verify by yourself.”

“This is the critical thing for us to know the origin of the virus,” she said. “If not we cannot overcome it — it will be life-threatening for everyone.”

She said she is coming out now because “I know if I don’t tell the truth to the world, I will be regretful.”

Yan also claimed that before fleeing China, her information was wiped from government databases.

“They deleted all my information,” she told “Loose Women,” claiming that people have been recruited “to spread rumors about me, that I’m a liar.”

Yuan Zhiming, the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, has previously denied reports that the bug accidentally spread from his facility.

“There’s no way this virus came from us,” Zhiming told state media in April.


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Nerm_L
1  seeder  Nerm_L    3 months ago

Dr. Li-Meng Yan is obviously a Trumpster or a Qanon conspiracy theorist or both.  If Dr. Yan's claims were real she would remain anonymous and blame Trump.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Nerm_L @1    3 months ago

Even if she does have said evidence, she will most likely never live long enough to present anything meaningful. The CCP would never allow it.

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.1  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1    2 months ago

If she is in danger it is from Trump and Co. She should probably be put into a witness protection program before Trump, Putin or Bannon kill her before she confesses!

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 months ago
"Dr. Li-Meng Yan is obviously a Trumpster or a Qanon conspiracy theorist or both."

She is an obvious TRUMPTURD supporter.

See comment 12

 
 
 
JBB
1.3  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @1    2 months ago

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The story is debunked. People are sick of this shit...

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.3    2 months ago

"If you had any honor you'd retract this propaganda!

The story is debunked. People are sick of this shit..."

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Perrie should have something in the COC that debunked stories should be removed by her or another moderator.

That's not gonna happen though.  

 
 
 
JBB
1.3.2  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.1    2 months ago

Is TNT a propaganda arm of Trump and Putin?

Is it not contrary to the COC to post untruths?

The vilest of lies crafted to stoke xenophobia?

Advertisers run from association to such lies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1.3.2    2 months ago

Like I said, don't hold your breath on it's removal for being complete and utter bullshit.  

 
 
 
JBB
1.3.4  JBB  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.3    2 months ago

Well, we shall see. I remain hopeful that TPTB retain some decency and will make sure this is officially disavowed. Or, at least, removed...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.5  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @1.3    2 months ago
If you had any honor you'd retract this propaganda! The story is debunked. People are sick of this shit...

Except the story hasn't been debunked.  Which will be for another seed ...

Dr. Li-Meng Yan is not a pundit, reporter, administrator, or government official.  Dr. Yan really is a working virologist and really did work for a WHO reference lab.in Hong Kong.

Dr. Yan is being debunked by attacking credentials, questioning motivations, and stifling her report.  Dr. Yan is being debunked politically.  The science hasn't been debunked because the science has not been reviewed.

You should also be aware that those doing the debunking have a vested financial interest in genetic modification techniques, such as CRISPR and gene splicing, for purposes very close to eugenics.  .  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.5    2 months ago

Really?

What a load

All you say, sounds a lot like QANon to me.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.6    2 months ago
Really?

What a load

All you say, sounds a lot like QANon to me. 

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JBB
1.3.8  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.5    2 months ago

Only in rightwing Lala Land. Pitiful reply BTW...

You can stick you fingers in your ears, your head in the sand and continue spreading rank lies and anti-American propaganda but the facts still prove otherwise. Have you no regard for your own credibility? No responsibility to correct misinformation. No regard for the truth? No decency or honor? The lie that Covid-19 was created and released by China is now completely debunked and been proven to be manufactured political propaganda created by Bannon specifically to misinform American voters. I cannot imagine anything more heinous when being done knowing which you are definitely doing past this point...

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.9  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.7    2 months ago

Yes, that's what your conspiracy theories are, nuts, bat****crazy, crazy as a ****house rat, bonkers, whackjob conspiracy theories.  That's all you got.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.10  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @1.3.8    2 months ago
Only in rightwing Lala Land. Pitiful reply BTW...

We'll see.

You can stick you fingers in your ears, your head in the sand and continue spreading rank lies and anti-American propaganda but the facts still prove otherwise. Have you no regard for your own credibility? No responsibility to correct misinformation. No regard for the truth? No decency or honor? The lie that Covid-19 was created and released by China is now completely debunked and been proven to be manufactured political propaganda created by Bannon specifically to misinform American voters. I cannot imagine anything more heinous when being done knowing which you are definitely doing past this point...

The Holocaust was debunked until evidence became so overwhelming that the Holocaust could not be denied.

You have focused attention on the politics while ignoring the science.  Dr. Li-Meng Yan is not the only scientist that has raised questions.  And Dr. Yan is not the only doctor or scientist that the Chinese government has attempted to squelch.  Remember that the first information available to the intelligence community came from an unofficial source.  A whistleblower made the world aware of the outbreak, the Chinese government did not notify the world.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus really did originate in China; Wuhan province according to available information.  Everyone wants to overlook the importance of tracing a virus to its source because that doesn't fit the politics of the moment.  Finding the source provides information useful for developing treatments and vaccines.  Yet the Chinese government deliberately destroyed one possible source so the origin of the virus cannot be traced and the supposed host cannot be studied.  And China has officially declared what the government deliberately destroyed as the only possible source.  The Chinese government deliberately obstructed the necessary science to understand the virus and develop treatments/vaccines.  There isn't any way to politically debunk those facts.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.11  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @1.3.8    2 months ago
Only in rightwing Lala Land. Pitiful reply BTW...

Okay, I've posted some new (supporting material).  I believe those sources will meet the MFBC requirements.

Believing the science that only fits a desired political meme isn't rational.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.11    2 months ago

Why bother, it's all bogus.  

QANon abounds.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.13  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.12    2 months ago
Why bother, it's all bogus.   QANon abounds.  

Let me quote something you posted on my profile page not long after I signed up on NT.

"Boy you're an arrogant and pompous so and so.  Think you know it all. "

Those are your words, not mine.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.14  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.13    2 months ago

Well it is still holds true.  

Why bother posting that?

Sounds like you hold a grudge.  

Move on.

You still post nothing (for the most part) but bogus bullshit.  

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
2  Release The Kraken    3 months ago

We need to fully investigate. If true they must pay trillions in restitution to the world or face annihilation.

 
 
 
TTGA
2.1  TTGA  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    3 months ago
If true they must pay trillions in restitution to the world or face annihilation.

I don't think trillions would save them.  If it's true and intentional, it was an act of war.  They should have consulted with the Japanese to find out what happens to people who choose to go to war with the United States.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TTGA @2.1    3 months ago

China has nuclear weapons. I dont think we will be attacking China anytime soon. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 months ago
China has nuclear weapons. I dont think we will be attacking China anytime soon.

Oh, really?  China has also gone digital.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    2 months ago
China has nuclear weapons.

Not only that, if the international community feels like doing anything about it they just might release another deadly pathogen.

So everybody just do like the democrats - keep quiet about it!

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.3    2 months ago

Just like they released the Co-Vid virus according to trumpturd?

Get real Vic.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.4    2 months ago

According to Dr Yan !!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE READ!

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    2 months ago

No need.  IT'S BOGUS

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.7  gooseisgone  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    2 months ago
No need.  IT'S BOGUS

Ok Tessylo, tell us how the virus evolved (please include your links).

 
 
 
JBB
2.1.8  JBB  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.7    2 months ago

Information has been public for months. All you need do is peek outside the rightwing bubble...

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.9  gooseisgone  replied to  JBB @2.1.8    2 months ago

Try reading your own article.

Experts say SARS-CoV-2 originated in bats.

Still, the Wuhan market didn���t sell bats at the time of the outbreak .

As  SARS-CoV-2 spread  both inside and outside China, it infected people who have had no direct contact with animals. That meant the virus is transmitted from one human to another. 

So your source has no idea. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
2.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    3 months ago
We need to fully investigate. If true they must pay trillions in restitution to the world or face annihilation.

I believe the politically correct term is 'reparations'.  Boatloads of money can repair anything - and - revive the dead.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3  cjcold  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    2 months ago

It will be a cold day in hell before I believe anything that is in the right wing NY Post.

 
 
 
JBB
2.4  JBB  replied to  Release The Kraken @2    2 months ago

It not true. It is a lie made up by Steve Bannon!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

I hope she has good security. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1  MAGA  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 months ago

She’s probably the reason we closed the Chinese consulate in Houston.  Their intelligence outfits there likely were the ones targeting her here.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    3 months ago

Its going to be embarrassing when the day after the election Trump starts being nice to Xi and China again. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 months ago

Why, oh why, JR, would he do that the day after the election?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 months ago

Trump has nothing against China. He asked China to help him with the election. Go see what Bolton says about this. 

Bolton says, specifically, that if Xi calls Trump the day after the election (assuming Trump wins) and congratulates him, all this baloney about "China virus" will be gone with the wind, and Trump will be back to talking about how great Xi is. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago

So, all you have is something Bolton has sad to sell his book?

That is certainly reliable!

/S

Besides, China wants Biden--or have you just pretended not to already know that?

 
 
 
TTGA
4.1.3  TTGA  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago
Bolton says, specifically

Bolton hates Trump because he can't control Trump.  Nothing Bolton says regarding Trump can be accepted as truthful.  Neither can anything that the never Trump "Republicans" say be accepted as truthful.  They have done nothing but ensure that they will never be elected to public office again.  Back to chasing ambulances for them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    3 months ago

He said it a couple days ago. The book has been out for months. 

Everyone who has observed Trump knows he goes from day to day. Once he no longer needs to use China as a punching bag for the election he will go back to "dealing" with them. He admires Xi for his authoritarian powers, that is well known. I'm sure he also hopes to make money in China in the future. 

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
4.1.5  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    3 months ago

China mutated a virus to kill old people. I find that offensive considering my homeslice is no young spring chicken.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    3 months ago

Book sales weren't going all that well, so he tried to bump them up.

You KNOW China wants Biden.

No sense in ignoring that fact.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
4.1.7  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    3 months ago
Trump has nothing against China. He asked China to help him with the election. Go see what Bolton says about this. 

Trump may not have anything against China.  But it was Joe Biden who built a 30 year political career on offshoring jobs.  

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.8  Drakkonis  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.5    3 months ago
China mutated a virus to kill old people.

China would obviously do something like that if they could but do they have the tech to actually do it? If so, their nukes are the least of our concerns. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.8    3 months ago
China mutated a virus to kill old people.
China would obviously do something like that if they could

Do you REALLY believe that?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
4.1.10  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.9    3 months ago
Do you REALLY believe that?

They would believe any lie or false accusation if it fit their personal agenda. Consider the source and stay the higher ground.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.11  Drakkonis  replied to  Raven Wing @4.1.10    3 months ago
They would believe any lie or false accusation if it fit their personal agenda. Consider the source and stay the higher ground.

Consider China. Persecution of the religious. Actively engaged in the extermination of Uighurs and/or their culture. Elimination of democracy in Hong Kong. Militarizing the South China Sea in order to claim all of it for itself. Loading world organizations with it's agents. Integrating Big Brother style surveillance on it's own citizens and employing a "social credit" system. Stealing technology from everyone it can. Fostering Chinese nationalism. 

Yeah, it's a little hard not to wonder if they engineered the virus. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.12  Drakkonis  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.9    3 months ago
Do you REALLY believe that?

I definitely believe they would if they could. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.12    3 months ago

Wow, what a hateful xenophobic comment.  You must picture Chinese people as being like this.....

OIP.d-EXa4FgdK7rS-VtldJ1VQHaFj?w=286&h=215&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.11    3 months ago

Sounds like US history in a nut shell...

or human nature...jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif ?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.14    3 months ago

It's not worth my time to counter his   [removed]   comments, as I have done for more sensible members. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.16  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.9    3 months ago

Yes...the Chinese government certainly has the means to do this...and the motive

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.17  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.13    3 months ago
You must picture Chinese people as being like this.....

No...just their evil and corrupt government

 
 
 
Raven Wing
4.1.18  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.13    3 months ago

That picture looks more like Trump without his mask and wig.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.19  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.15    3 months ago
It's not worth my time to counter his cock-sucking Trumpian comments, as I have done for more sensible members. 

It's pretty hard to counter the reality of true facts!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.17    3 months ago

Not worth a reply.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.21  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    3 months ago

We all know that the communist party of China is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.22  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @4.1.21    3 months ago
We all know that the communist party of China is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election.  

Link?   (beliefs are not facts)

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.23  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.9    3 months ago

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MAGA
4.1.24  MAGA  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.16    3 months ago

And they did it.  They locked Wuhan and it’s province away from the rest of China and locked. Those people down except letting them travel abroad to spread it to Europe so it would get here from our east coast while most were expecting it from the west coast 

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.25  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.20    3 months ago

Jut remember that regardless of who wins the election China will bear the enmity and contempt of at least half the American population who will never deal with or travel to again.  In fact the hatred and bitterness toward the Chinese regime from us will double down if Biden is our next president.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.26  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MAGA @4.1.25    3 months ago

So how are things going for YOU these days?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.27  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.22    3 months ago

LOL.  As you can see....nothing but opinions. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.28  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.27    3 months ago

Worse, unsubstantiated declarations; mere claims based on a foundation of pure speculation.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.29  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @4.1.23    3 months ago

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MAGA
4.1.30  MAGA  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.28    3 months ago

I stand by and double down upon everything I said on this seed and thread.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.31  TᵢG  replied to  MAGA @4.1.30    3 months ago

Of course you do.   Trouble is, one cannot substantiate one's claims by stomping one's foot and declaring that one is really, really, really serious.

In the end, unsubstantiated claims are, in a word, bullshit.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.32  Drakkonis  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.13    3 months ago
Wow, what a hateful xenophobic comment.

[Deleted] In fact, I think that your objection to my comment means that I'm on the right track, so, thank you. 

In other news, one only has to observe past and present actions engendered by the CCP to arrive at the conclusion that they will do whatever they deem necessary to achieve their goals. Humanitarianism is not a factor. Well, not in the sense that most of the rest of the world thinks of humanitarianism. For lack of a better word, the only thing that matters to the masters of the CCP is the "AGENDA". Humanitarianism to the CCP means "do what we want or you and your family will suffer". Of course, in their ideology, it's necessary for the good of all Chinese people that it should be so. 

Thing is, I get what China wants as far as a cohesive Chinese society goes. They want a society that is homogenous. All going for the same goal. I get that. If they all think alike, then there is less division. Less strive. Less social unrest. Who wouldn't want that for any society? Thing is, I'm pretty sure Hitler wanted the same thing. And we're seeing the same thing in China. China is flexing it's muscle as much as it can. It's building its military strength as fast as it can. 

Why? Because it is trying to impose its ideology on the rest of the world. And guess what? Its ideology puts Han Chinese as the superior race. Think that isn't true? Seen any non-ethnic Chinese on it's Olympic teams? Didn't think so. Seen it's military parades? Seen any non-ethnic Chinese in them? Didn't think so. 

So, if my comments are xenophobic it is because it is deserved. They aren't hateful, unless you consider the expression of obvious truth hateful. It is simply the recognition that China is currently doing all it can to impose its will on the rest of the world. 

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.33  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.22    3 months ago
Link?

Do you really need one? Honestly? Do you think China isn't doing whatever it can to help Biden? I know for damn sure that we would do all we could to influence China's elections, if they actually had real ones. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.34  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.33    3 months ago
Do you really need one? Honestly?

Yes, really, mere declaration of belief is not fact. 

Do you think China isn't doing whatever it can to help Biden?

I will remind you of the context:

MAGA @4.1.21 ☞ We all know that the communist party of China is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election.  

I asked for a link showing that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden.    Do you have one?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.35  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.34    3 months ago
Do you have one?

No, I don't have a link. But, then again, I asked if you really needed one. Apparently you do. Usually I would as well, but that isn't the case with China. Based on China's history concerning what it will do to achieve its goals, I'm perfectly fine with inference in this case. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.36  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.35    3 months ago
I asked if you really needed one.

And I gave you a full answer.

Based on China's history concerning what it will do to achieve its goals, I'm perfectly fine with inference in this case. 

I operate differently.   Even if something is easy to believe (e.g. Trump private comments ostensibly referring to WWI KIA as losers and suckers) I will not merely accept it as truth until I have persuasive evidence of same.

Further, when someone states that "China is openly backing and supporting Biden" it is not at all unreasonable to ask to see the openly available evidence.   By not delivering same, I consider the claim to be nothing more than bullshit.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.37  Drakkonis  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.36    2 months ago
Further, when someone states that "China is openly backing and supporting Biden" it is not at all unreasonable to ask to see the openly available evidence.   By not delivering same, I consider the claim to be nothing more than bullshit.

I have no problem with that. I just find it surprising in this case. China is driving hard to become the No.1 superpower in the world and it's pretty obvious they will use any means, legal or illegal, to achieve that. There's plenty of evidence for this and I hope you would agree. It seems a no brainer to me that they are supporting Biden, even though Trump provides them certain opportunities as well. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.38  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.37    2 months ago
It seems a no brainer to me that they are supporting Biden, even though Trump provides them certain opportunities as well. 

Evidence is the difference between speculation and fact.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.39  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.36    2 months ago
"By not delivering same, I consider the claim to be nothing more than bullshit."

As do I, and I believe that any critical thinker would as well.  But then there are those who support Trump.....

 
 
 
Drakkonis
4.1.40  Drakkonis  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.39    2 months ago
As do I, and I believe that any critical thinker would as well.  But then there are those who support Trump.....

Well, yes, it's axiomatic that anyone who'd question China must be a Trump supporter. I mean, certainly all the crap that China has done, up to this very moment, should not be considered logical grounds for predicting China's future behavior. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.41  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.40    2 months ago

A comment that would please O'Donnell, perhaps Pompeo, or even Trump himself. 

"There's plenty of evidence for this and I hope you would agree."

Okay, let's see it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.42  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.34    2 months ago
"I asked for a link showing that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden.    Do you have one?"

I recently posted an article about the song "Sounds of Silence" without realizing there would be so many examples of that very song title here. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.43  TᵢG  replied to  Drakkonis @4.1.40    2 months ago
I mean, certainly all the crap that China has done, up to this very moment, should not be considered logical grounds for predicting China's future behavior. 

Well of course China's evidenced behavior is logical grounds for predicting (with an error tolerance) its future behavior.   It is not, however, sufficient to claim as fact that the CCP has an active, serious initiative to secure Biden as PotUS (much less: "China is openly backing and supporting Biden").   What seems plausible, is not ipso facto fact.

I take no issue with you speculating or opining on what the CCP might be doing.   Just as I do not fault those who believe Trump discredited the WWI KIA soldiers in France.  

It is simply the case that when someone declares a fact, they bear the burden of evidence.   If no evidence is offered, it is perfectly reasonable for readers to view the claim as bullshit.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.44  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.36    2 months ago

Really? Then you don't trust our own intelligence community?

"We assess that China prefers that President Trump -- whom Beijing sees as unpredictable -- does not win reelection," said William R. Evanina, director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center, in a statement updating the election threat landscape heading into the November election.
"China has been expanding its influence efforts ahead of November 2020 to shape the policy environment in the United States, pressure political figures it views as opposed to China's interests, and deflect and counter criticism of China."
From the same article- Iran also wants Biden, and is acting to ensure he is elected.
Evanina also stated that Iran is seeking to "undermine US democratic institutions, President Trump, and to divide the country."
In essence, Evanina's statement Friday afternoon put two of the biggest American adversaries on opposite sides of the election: Russia for Trump and China for Biden.
But Russia, Russia, Russia. Part of me can hardly wait for China and Iran to put a knife in the Democrats backs if Biden is elected. Unfortunately, since I am a US citizen, I will suffer as well for the Democrats blind stupidity of trusting both. 
 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.45  TᵢG  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.44    2 months ago

Digging deeper, we have the intelligence comment from the source of your article:

CHINA -- We assess that China prefers that President Trump -- whom Beijing sees as unpredictable -- does not win reelection. China has been expanding its influence efforts ahead of November 2020 to shape the policy environment in the United States, pressure political figures it views as opposed to China's interests, and deflect and counter criticism of China. Although China will continue to weigh the risks and benefits of aggressive action, its public rhetoric over the past few months has grown increasingly critical of the current Administration's COVID-19 response, closure of China's Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues. For example, it has harshly criticized the Administration's statements and actions on Hong Kong, TikTok, the legal status of the South China Sea, and China's efforts to dominate the 5G market. Beijing recognizes that all of these efforts might affect the presidential race.

The intelligence comment concludes that China prefers Trump lose the election ( easy to believe ) and that they have taken diplomatic steps to push back on Trump such as the closure of their Houston Consulate and criticism of the Trump administration and that these steps might affect the election.   China is pushing back on Trump ( not a surprise ).   And it is also easy to believe they would engage in covert actions to this end ( albeit currently unsupported ).  

Yet nowhere does the comment even hint that China is openly backing Biden and openly supporting Biden in the election.   That is, there is no evidence that China is openly providing funding to Biden or is openly endorsing him for PotUS.

Thus given the claim of:

MAGA @ 4.1.21 ☞ We all know that the communist party of China is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election.  

Where is the CCP overtly funding Biden?  

Where is the CCP overtly endorsing Biden for PotUS?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
4.1.46  Release The Kraken  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.45    2 months ago

The State owned Media of China has endorsed Biden.

This from Trump unfriendly MSN.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.1.47  TᵢG  replied to  Release The Kraken @4.1.46    2 months ago
It said Mr Biden’s “world view runs parallel to Beijing’s” and if he is truly determined to “reconcile with Beijing, nothing should stop him from coming to the negotiating table”.

So on my questions: 

Where is the CCP overtly funding Biden ?:     No evidence as of yet.

Where is the CCP overtly endorsing Biden for PotUS ?:   You offer interpretation of a quote pulled from an op-ed by an assistant researcher at the Islamabad Policy Research Institute.

The actual op-ed is this: 

China's place in a Biden presidency by Hannan Hussain  Editor's note:  Hannan Hussain is an assistant researcher at the Islamabad Policy Research Institute and an author. The article reflects the author's opinions and not necessarily the views of CGTN. 

An assistant researcher in the Islamabad Policy Research Institute wrote an op-ed that ran on the website (news.cgtn.com) but described as running on the China Global Television Network (CGTN) a mouthpiece for the views of the Chinese Communist Party

This assistant researcher's words are now being quoted by multiple publications.   Note the words " world view runs parallel to Beijing’s ” did not come from a CCP source but from the author of the piece.

While it is easy to believe the CCP prefers Biden (maybe anyone ) over Trump, an op-ed is not an overt endorsement by the CCP.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.48  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.9    2 months ago
"China mutated a virus to kill old people.
China would obviously do something like that if they could"

"Do you REALLY believe that?"

Of course they do.  They believe anything trumpturd says.  

Also, when it comes to Cov-Vid killing kids and teens:  the Co-Vid virus is killing primarily:

Health

CDC: Almost all of the US kids and teens who've died from COVID-19 were Hispanic or Black

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.49  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @4.1.47    2 months ago

Thank you for providing an EDUCATED and INTELLIGENT response.  Sometimes I really wonder about the American educational system when it graduates so many who are unable to think critically and believe every bit of crap that is written. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.50  Sean Treacy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.49    2 months ago

metimes I really wonder about the American educational system when it graduates so many who are unable to think critically and believe every bit of crap that is written.

I've learned to feel that way about Canada. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.51  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1.49    2 months ago

maybe that's because Democrats don't like uneducated people.

got to have someone they can feel superior to 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.52  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.51    2 months ago

Let us clearly differentiate between educated and intelligent. They are not synonymous.


got to have someone they can feel superior to

They are superior to no one.


I'm sorry, your statement was addressed to my friend, Buzz.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.52    2 months ago

sometimes I figure anyone who agrees with them is automatically educated and intelligent. and anyone who doesn't is stupid and uneducated.

that's what I have observed

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.54  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.53    2 months ago

Never think that way.

I have seen people who really had to apply themselves going to college, yet others Iv'e wondered how they ever got a diploma.

What I want you to remember most is what a cousin who graduated from Harvard told me. The hardest part wasn't graduating - it was getting in!


 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.55  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.54    2 months ago

yes, I have met lots of college grads who are dumb as rocks. I also know some very well-read folks who are successful and never graduated

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.56  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.55    2 months ago

There you are!

Well said.

The 16th President never went to college.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.2  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 months ago

As embarrassing as Obama hanging with the rich elite, that he spoke out against- and his administration was supposedly was so hard on, after his final term was done?

As embarrassing as Obama becoming one of those rich elite?

When Trump's time in the White House ends I expect him to go back to leading Trump Enterprises; and yes that means making nice with Russia, China, Europe, and the rest of the world that he pissed off while being President.

The left seems to be oblivious when it is one of their own betraying everything they believe in. With Trump he will be going back to doing what he did before being President. Shaking down the system, making money any way he can, and probably starting his own media network to carry his brand.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5  Release The Kraken    3 months ago

Ready the ICBMS! It's retribution time in America!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    3 months ago

Only problem to that is that China has them as well...

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1    3 months ago

jrSmiley_122_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
5.1.2  seeder  Nerm_L  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1    3 months ago
Only problem to that is that China has them as well...

Would China nuke it's largest trading partner?  In case you haven't noticed, China is already winning the economic war.  But then a lot of lesser nations are soundly beating the United States, too.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.2    3 months ago

Economic "WAR"?  Why not Economic COMPETITION.  And why even "competition" when each government just wants the best for its people, and it's trade that has had the effect of doing that for both.  Decouple?  Absolutely nuts.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.4  MAGA  replied to  Nerm_L @5.1.2    3 months ago

Well they were before and will again if Biden is our President.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.5  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.3    3 months ago

No decoupling is not nuts.  It’s a must.  The USA must not be dependent upon China for any significant or strategic product.  They are to be considered a hostile enemy state just as the Soviet Union once was pre 1990.  

 
 
 
devangelical
5.1.6  devangelical  replied to  MAGA @5.1.5    3 months ago
to be considered a hostile enemy state just as the Soviet Union once was pre trump.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.7  MAGA  replied to  devangelical @5.1.6    3 months ago

The Soviet Union no longer exists and Russia is a dangerous power That we must be on guard against but it is not the enemy that China is today.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.8  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.3    2 months ago

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Raven Wing
5.1.9  Raven Wing  replied to  devangelical @5.1.6    2 months ago
to be considered a hostile enemy state just as the Soviet Union once was pre trump.

The main reason(s) that Trump is keeping Putin close is 1. Trump wants to open a hotel in Moscow, and perhaps a golf course, and Ivanka wants to sell her brand good in Russia. 

Yeah, like the Russian women would really want to pay the outrageous prices to buy and wear her stuff. Just like China, the Chinese women have a very high standard of professionalism in their higher level jobs, and they would never wear any of that crap that Ivanka sells. They have turned up their nose at her stuff since it first started. 

As for a golf course in Russia, I laugh.

Russia is STILL a hostile enemy, and one that should never be considered anything but. Their putting their ships close to our coasts, and their fighter jets getting dangerously close to our own military planes is nothing more than taunting and playing 'chicken' with us. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MAGA @5.1.5    2 months ago
"No decoupling is not nuts.  It’s a must."

I suggest you read this.  It was posted on a conservative medium - Foreign Affairs.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.10    2 months ago

Oh yes Buzz, We must kneel to them!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.11    2 months ago

I made a suggestion, not a demand, so why the hell would I think you would kneel to anyone?

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.14  Kavika   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.10    2 months ago

So far the decoupling hasn't gone all that well.

Our trade deficient with China for June and July of 2020 is close to the same as it was in 2019

Our great new NAFTA deal with Mexico shows that our deficient is higher in June and July 2020 than it was in the same time period in 2019.

Of course, that doesn't cover the payment to farmers for the lost business of around $23 billion and climbing. 

Then there is the cost to American importers of the tariff on goods imported.. Another $50 billion or so.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.15  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.13    2 months ago

The article claims we are dependent, no?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @5.1.14    2 months ago
"Then there is the cost to American importers of the tariff on goods imported.. Another $50 billion or so."

I thought that just gets passed down the line to the expense of the consumers through higher prices, a great "benefit" to Americans when so many people are strapped for income.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.15    2 months ago

Can you not imagine what would happen if today there was a complete decoupling?  Did you not read the article?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.17    2 months ago

Oh, I believe I already gave you that answer.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.18    2 months ago

Wow. How I love equivocal replies. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.3    2 months ago
and it's trade that has had the effect of doing that for both. 

How do you figure that?  One side uses slave labor to flood the market with cheaper goods, while the other sheds manufacturing jobs.

Are we supposed to be satisfied with cheaper goods, as the progressives keep telling us?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    3 months ago

I guess you're making it pretty clear that you feel I'm disposable.  Thanks.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.2.1  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.2    2 months ago

What did you think of the Trump brokered Peace deals between Israel and UAE and Bahrain?  And of getting Kosovo to have relations with Israel and Serbia to move their embassy to Jerusalem?  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MAGA @5.2.1    2 months ago

The Peace deals are a very positive thing.  I don't know how much Trump had to do with the others.  However, I remember seeing photos of Arafat and Begin shaking hands in front of Bill Clinton.....

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @5.2.1    2 months ago

All these developments were inevitable after 70 years and fell into Trumps lap, so he gets the credit like any other Administration would.

Now kindly turn that around and accept Trump's culpability in mismanaging the virus crisis and the resulting economic

downturns, 1,300 missing miles of a southern wall and we can all sing around the campfire again.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.2.2    2 months ago

and you know what that got us...

 
 
 
MAGA
5.2.5  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.2.2    2 months ago

According to the principals involved Trump has everything to do with it and that it would never have happened without him.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @5.2.1    2 months ago

"What did you think of the Trump brokered Peace deals between Israel and UAE and Bahrain?"

That was no peace deal.  It was an arms deal.  There is no war going on between these countries.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.8  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.7    2 months ago

When Trump receives the Nobel peace prize I wish I could see the expression on your face. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  MUVA @5.2.8    2 months ago

For what?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MUVA @5.2.8    2 months ago

Well, if Arafat could get it, even Satan could qualify.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.3  MAGA  replied to  Release The Kraken @5    3 months ago

Let’s not go that far quite yet.  Those can only be used if they ever directly invade any sovereign American territory anywhere or use theirs first.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MAGA @5.3    3 months ago

Yep, your government better not escalate above its present military provocations and interference in another country's domestic affairs.  It could lead to big problems for it. 

 
 
 
MAGA
5.3.2  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.3.1    3 months ago

We will do as we see fit with our military outside of China’s borders as we see fit based on our needs and that of our allies.  What your host government demands of us is meaningless to us.  And for the record The Republic of China on Taiwan 🇹🇼 is not China’s domestic affairs.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.3.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.3.1    2 months ago

It could lead to big problems for it. 

Like Trump cares if he starts WW III. He considers our military and men and women in uniform suckers and losers, and in his mind they all disposable goods. 

I pray that is he does try to start a was, the military will over rule his immoral order on the grounds that it is against all that America stands for, unless another country attacks America FIRST. Period. All STOP!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.3.4  Raven Wing  replied to  Raven Wing @5.3.3    2 months ago

Sorry for the many typos. I cleaned my keyboard later today and now the keys are confused. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.3.5  Ronin2  replied to  Raven Wing @5.3.3    2 months ago
Like Trump cares if he starts WW III.

Because WWIII would be a great bone for his hotels and other ventures. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif The left has been predicting Trump would start a war since he was elected- so where the hell is it! Trump has tried to withdraw troops from Syria and Afghanistan; and the neocons and newly minted chicken hawks on the left blasted him for it!

He considers our military and men and women in uniform suckers and losers, and in his mind they all disposable goods. 

From more mysterious "sources" that took years to come forward to tell their story. Just in time for Trump's reelection bid. How convenient.

I pray that is he does try to start a was, the military will over rule his immoral order on the grounds that it is against all that America stands for, unless another country attacks America FIRST. Period. All STOP!

Like they did with Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Obama? They all used the military in ventures that were not in the US best interests. No rebellion and no uprising.

You know who wants to start fucking WWIII? Joe "here I come Syria" Biden!

The U.S. is “neither optimistic nor pessimistic,” but “determined” to reach a political solution to the Syrian conflict, he said.

But Biden also seemed to go past Obama administration statements in suggesting the U.S. would be willing to use military means if necessary.

“We do know that it would be better if we can reach a political solution, but we are prepared — we are prepared if that’s not possible to make — to have a military solution to this operation in taking out Daesh,” the vice president said, using the Arabic acronym for the Islamic State in the Levant, also known as ISIS or ISIL.

US troops and planes have no more authority to be in Syria than they did when Obama started this whole damn mess under the misguided War on Terror. Think Syria, Russia, and Iran are going to tolerate an increased US presence in Syria that threatens Assad's regime?

Read the rest of the article to find out why it will put the US at odds with Turkey if Biden goes that route. Seems Turkey and the US do not share a common definition of what a "terrorist" is.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Raven Wing @5.3.4    2 months ago

And you just told us that everybody makes mistakes!

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.3.8  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.6    2 months ago

gee, I don't know if you are allowed to say that here

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.3.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.8    2 months ago

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Raven Wing
5.3.10  Raven Wing  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.3.6    2 months ago
And you just told us that everybody makes mistakes!

Yes I did. And I make mistakes myself. At least I take responsibility for them and admit I made them. That is more than some here on NT are willing to do.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

Two things.

I get to see a lot of news from China, and would think a lot more than anyone else who has posted here, and I have never seen anything that indicates China has a preference for Biden.  In fact I would venture to say that they are careful NOT to show any preference.  If anyone can show a reliable source that says they do, let's see it.

I see that the virologist is from Hong Kong, and I think it's well known that there are people from Hong Kong who are not exactly happy with the CCP, so given an opportunity it's possible they might do something to embarrass it.  I believe there have been a number of foreign scientists who have already said that it was NOT a man-made virus. I think I would wait to see the "proof" she says that she will reveal before making judgment here.  After all, I could say I was a love child of King George VI, but if I don't prove it people would be STUPID to believe me.  Of course, anyone who is a Trump supporter would feel it was their duty to do whatever they could to smear China.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    2 months ago
I get to see a lot of news from China, and would think a lot more than anyone else who has posted here, and I have never seen anything that indicates China has a preference for Biden. 

Buzz, do you really think regimes like the PRC or the Government in Iran spell out who they like. The way we know know how they feel is to look at what was done to them by whom. China had a sweet trade deal with the US. The made billions off the US and took a lot of manufacturing jobs & stole a lot of technology. That is over. Trump put a stop to it!

Iran had a sweet deal with the US which gave them billions of US dollars and guaranteed them hegemony in the ME. That deal has been ripped up. There are now intense sanctions on Iran, Soleimani has been killed and there is now a growing alliance between Israel and the Sunni States against Iran. Trump did that.

Those are two regimes that we must assume want Trump defeated. I believe a ten year old might even be able to understand it!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 months ago

The point is that the CCP has not indicated a preference, and in fact they have stated that they are being very careful to NOT interfere in any way.  So you can provide opinions but not facts.  Very interesting to me, however, is how important it is for Trumpsters to post those opinions because they are only being made to support Trump by playing on the xenophobic propensities of many Americans.  Very clever, but we'll see in November how successful that ploy is. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    2 months ago
Buzz, do you really think regimes like the PRC or the Government in Iran spell out who they like.

That would be counterproductive.   So if someone were to claim that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election, one would naturally expect such a claim to be supported with evidence:  

MAGA @ 4.1.21 ☞ We all know that the communist party of China is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election.  

Openly backing?   Openly supporting?    Strategically dumb to do so openly , but sure this could be true.   

Those are two regimes that we must assume want Trump defeated.

Sure, China and Iran would quite likely prefer to see someone other than Trump.   It is speculation, but it is reasonable speculation.   Thing is, speculation is not fact.   The key difference is supporting evidence.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.2    2 months ago
So if someone were to claim that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden in this election, one would naturally expect such a claim to be supported with evidence

Or examples of why the PRC would prefer one candidate over the other. The fact that China lost it's one-sided trade agreement is such an example. Even to a biased progressive, whether they admit it or not.


Sure, China and Iran would quite likely prefer to see someone other than Trump.   It is speculation, but it is reasonable speculation.   Thing is, speculation is not fact.   The key difference is supporting evidence.

Nice to hear it TiG. I would also like to add something to that obvious statement: Critical thinking absolutely requires holding the same standards to everyone. [[delete]]

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.3    2 months ago
Or examples of why the PRC would prefer one candidate over the other. The fact that China lost it's one-sided trade agreement is such an example. Even to a biased progressive, whether they admit it or not.

One can easily surmise based on world news and commonsense that China would prefer to roll the dice with a new PotUS.   However, what has been claimed but has not been evidenced is that the CCP is openly backing and supporting Biden.   And there is good reason why there likely is no evidence of this;   if the CCP were to openly support and back a candidate, that candidate would be compromised.   So if the CCP were to openly back and support a candidate, we would expect them to openly promote Trump.

Critical thinking absolutely requires holding the same standards to everyone.

There are no critical thinking police;  it is not against the rules to make claims based on emotion or desire.   But those who routinely make claims of certainty based, seemingly on wishful thinking, stereotyping, etc. rather than good evidence and reason put out a lot of candidates for challenge.   The more candidates, the more likely a challenge might occur.   Further, the more outrageous the claim, the more likely it is to be challenged.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.4    2 months ago
  The more candidates, the more likely a challenge might occur.  

There were no challengers for the solid 3 years of Trump is a Russian agent.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.5    2 months ago

Nobody challenged that?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.6    2 months ago
Nobody challenged that?

I had to.

As a matter of fact there are many places we could use your critical thinking skills, starting here today:



Unfortunately, you don't seem to be around for these.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    2 months ago

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TᵢG
6.1.9  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    2 months ago
Unfortunately, you don't seem to be around for these.

As I figured, you were just trying to taunt me.   I recommend you make thoughtful comments rather than engage in personal crap.

Just so you know, I do not perform on demand.   I also am not involved in every article nor do I read every comment.   I also read without comment far more than I comment.   Finally, I (like everyone else) get to choose the articles on which I comment and the comments to which I reply.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.10  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.9    2 months ago
As I figured, you were just trying to taunt me.  

Asking you to be fair is taunting?

I see.


Just so you know, I do not perform on demand.

You'd never make it with Barbara


 I also am not involved in every article nor do I read every comment.

Fair enough.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.11  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.10    2 months ago

You purposely went off topic (replied to my topical comment @6.1.2 and @6.1.4) to go personal with me, alleging that I am not fair.   When I did not take the bait you became more specific and made your intent to taunt quite clear.

Maybe it is time to stop playing these little games and engage in debate / discussion.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.11    2 months ago

That's his MO.

He doesn't play fair.

No trumpster does.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

In MY opinion, unless she can provide unrefutable evidence for the truth of her accusation, there's a lot of backing for my opinion - maybe she wants her 15 minutes of fame and be able to write a book of fiction.  Let's see if she really has the evidence that would contradict all the scientists to date.

President Donald Trump has pushed the idea that the coronavirus was manufactured in a Chinese lab, though scientists studying it say that it comes from nature. Intelligence agencies were directed by the White House to investigate, but, in a rare move, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence signaled support for the scientific consensus that the virus was "not manmade or genetically modified.”

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Scientists have strong evidence coronavirus originated ...

Apr 18, 2020  ·  Scientists  have strong evidence coronavirus originated naturally Nothing suggests  the virus  was " man-made ," experts  say

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Scientists Are Tired of Explaining Why The COVID-19 Virus Was Not Made in a Lab

"All evidence so far points to the fact the COVID-19 virus is naturally derived and not man-made,"  explains immunologist Nigel McMillan  from the Menzies Health Institute Queensland.

"If you were going to design it in a lab the sequence changes make no sense as all previous evidence would tell you it would make the virus worse. No system exists in the lab to make some of the changes found."

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Although some have suggested it was man-made, and there are suspicions voiced, no evidence has been produced to prove those opinons that are far outnumbered by those who say it wasn't, so as I've said, let's see HER evidence before we pass judgment.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    3 months ago

I don't think she will last long in China, as they have been saying it was not made in a lab. 

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1.1  MAGA  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1    3 months ago

She’s here in the USA, not in China now.  She will likely never return there unless Biden deports her there as part of our surrender to that enemy if he becomes president 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    2 months ago
let's see HER evidence before we pass judgment.

Her accusation is so stupid, and so out in left field, I have to wonder just who is paying her to make that statement. It ain't China for sure. And since Russia and China are becoming old pal buddy busters now, it is sure not to be Russia. And as it seems to play into Trumps immediate accusation, made without any proof at all, it could very will be it is one of Trump's his big money supporters.

She may regret her meddling in political battles. China does not play those games that try to unjustly cast blame on them.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Raven Wing @7.2    2 months ago

In a further article posted today, in an interview with Tucker Carlson, she said that China created and released the virus ON PURPOSE.. Can you even fathom ANY government PURPOSELY doing that to sicken and kill its citizens and negatively affect its economy?  Such a wild statement PROVES she is lying. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.2.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.2.1    2 months ago
Can you even fathom ANY government PURPOSELY doing that to sicken and kill its citizens and negatively affect its economy?

Yes, I can. There is one country that would be diabolical enough to do just that in order to get rid of a many people as possible and kill our country in order to take control of America. And it ain't China. America is already in debt way over our heads to them, so they really would have nothing to gain by doing that.

But the one who would do it, without hesitation, would certainly have a lot to gain. They don't want to destroy America with a nuclear war, as it would create a mess they could have to deal with before they could have any gain out of it.

However, creating a devastating disease that would wipe out a lot of people, severely damage our economy to make it impossible for America to readily survive, would be the better choice, as all our valuable resources would still be in tact.

So...yes, there is one who would, and possibly, did do it. And it isn't China. They're much too smart.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.2.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.2.1    2 months ago
Such a wild statement PROVES she is lying. 

Really?

And if she made a wild statement like Mao murdering 65 million Chinese people would it constitute lying?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.3    2 months ago

Your reply is nothing but an attempt to deflect from what I said and does not negate it - nice try.  Did Trump teach ALL of his disciples to deflect?

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.2.4    2 months ago

it was a simple question, yet goes unanswered.

gee. I wonder why.... 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2.5    2 months ago

It was nothing but a deflection from what I had said, similar to if I were to ask you how many Native Americans did non-Indian Americans murder.

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.2.6    2 months ago

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Buzz of the Orient
7.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    2 months ago

Seems that my skepticism has not been wrong.  I don't jump to accept conspiracy theories like some of the members here.

Twitter Suspends Account of Chinese Virologist Who Claimed ...

https:// www.newsweek.com / twitter -suspends-dr-li...
13 hours ago · Twitter has suspended the account of a Chinese academic who suggested COVID-19 was made in a lab and intentionally released. The social media …

Apparently her "theories" have NOT been peer-reviewed, and it just might all be bullshit. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.3    2 months ago
"Apparently her "theories" have NOT been peer-reviewed, and it just might all be bullshit."

Not MIGHT, it is ALL BULLSHIT.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.3    2 months ago

Or maybe Twitter & Facebook are run by progressives who bow from the ankles to China!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.3.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.2    2 months ago
bow from the ankles to China!

Better than bending at the waist like Trump does for Putin...

But seriously, progressives bow to no one, they simply keep looking forward and striving to make a better world. And the commercial giants like Facebook and Google or Twitter do not represent progressives, they merely want to profit off what they have rightly predicted is the future which are progressive ideals, diversity and equality.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.2    2 months ago

Or maybe they are run by conservatives, like Zuckerberg, who bow from the ankles to Trump.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
7.3.5  MonsterMash  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    2 months ago
But seriously, progressives bow to no one

Antifa, Anarchists and BLM disagree

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.3.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.3.3    2 months ago
But seriously, progressives bow to no one, they simply keep looking forward and striving to make a better world.

After hearing from the residents & business owners living in places live Portland and Seattle, I think many of us don't care to live in your "better world."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    2 months ago
In MY opinion, unless she can provide unrefutable evidence for the truth of her accusation

Let's see, is there any word on Wuhan doctor Ai Fen?

Still missing?

How about all the Wuhan lab records that are long gone?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.4    2 months ago

More irrelevant deflections - any more will lead to an impasse because I'm tired of wasting my time.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.4.2  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.4    2 months ago

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CFN-1EeBGGi/?igshid=sdosxdlz36wq

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.4.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.4.1    2 months ago

irrelevant?

I'll leave that for our readers.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.4.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.4.1    2 months ago
More irrelevant deflections - any more will lead to an impasse because I'm tired of wasting my time.

you do not get to decide whats relevant.

the world just got reminded that communists can not be trusted - period.

if your gonna defend china in the future? ya better work on your stamina

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.4.5  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.4.4    2 months ago
"you do not get to decide whats relevant."

YOU DO NOT GET TO DECIDE WHAT'S RELEVANT.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

Now someone else has joined Drakkonis in accusing the Chinese of being monsters with an ignorant comment. 

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MAGA
8.1  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    3 months ago

The communist government of China are monsters and their actions prove it.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  MAGA @8.1    3 months ago

RUN AND HIDE!!! RUN AND HIDE!!!  THE CHINESE MONSTERS ARE COMING!!!

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MAGA
8.1.2  MAGA  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.1    3 months ago

I was going to watch the movie Mulan until I found out what province in China they shot it from and that in one of the scenes of credits a guard tower of one of their concentration camps was clearly visible in the background.  No one here has any issue or grudge against the people of China.  The issue is with their evil communist/fascist regime.  

 
 
 
MAGA
9  MAGA    2 months ago

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CFLZucohOm2/?igshid=rnc8bqinaqnh

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @9    2 months ago

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ELv64QfdBLQ

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  MAGA @9.1    2 months ago

Right not Carlson is covering how Facebook is treating this story.  Facebook is not letting you see that video. Ah, the dirty left!  They are in control of so much of our lives.

China must be proud of Zuckerberg!   

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.1.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.1    2 months ago
China must be proud of Zuckerberg! 

Which is why it's banned?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.2    2 months ago

Personally I don't feel internet-deprived except that I would like to be able to access Youtube, because although Tudou, Youku and Bilibili do the same thing, they're not as comprehensive.  However, I have no problem with normal internet without a VPN accessing sites so I can check and read and watch news videos daily, like Bing, Yahoo, CTV (Canadian TV network), MSN-USA and MSN-World which compiles and shows many different news sites that ARE banned here individually, Jerusalem Post and other Israeli English language websites, and surprisingly I can even watch Fox News (although some of what they show, like certain interviews, makes me vomit). and a lot more.  On cable TV I do watch CGTN every day for Chinese news and viewpoint even though I know it's biased, and I watch movies from around the world on eight 24/7 movie channels - lots of English language movies although they're usually at least 3 years old due to adherence to copyright requirements. For a long time I listed the movies I watched on the Everyone Loves Movies group. 

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1.4  MAGA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.2    2 months ago

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MAGA
9.1.5  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.1    2 months ago

I’m sure they are as he does their bidding...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.6  Vic Eldred  replied to  MAGA @9.1.5    2 months ago

He is our Charles Lindbergh!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.2    2 months ago

We wouldn't want the people of China speaking their minds would we?

Just like the American left the PRC wouldn't want divergent views preventing that better world they want to create!

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @9.1    2 months ago

TWO FUCKING LIARS RIGHT THERE!

Your heroes are zeros.

 
 
 
Kathleen
11  Kathleen    2 months ago

Interesting.

I am going to wait and see how this unfolds.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @11    2 months ago

See comment 12

 
 
 
Kavika
12  Kavika     2 months ago

A Chinese virologist claimed the coronavirus was 'intentionally' released. Turns out, she works for a group led by Steve Bannon.

 
 
 
Tessylo
12.1  Tessylo  replied to  Kavika @12    2 months ago

I'm shocked!  Dumbfounded!  My Mind is Boggled!  No Way!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kavika @12    2 months ago
"Yan "never conducted any research on human-to-human transmission" of the coronavirus before she left and that her view "has no scientific basis but resembles hearsay."

Other experts were quick to speak out against the claims in Yan's paper.

Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who first noticed the paper's connection to Bannon, called the research "bizarre and unfounded."

There's no evidence supporting the theory that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, was genetically engineered. A March study concluded based on genetic analysis that the coronavirus wasn't a hodgepodge of existing coronaviruses, as Yan and other supporters of the theory have suggested.

Those researchers wrote that their work indicated that it "is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus," adding that "the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone."

On Tuesday, the lead author of that study, Kristian Andersen, said Yan's group had cherry-picked data in support of their conclusion, adding that it was "poppycock dressed up as 'science.'"

It was pretty funny how all these right wing conspiracy theorists jumped all over this total fabrication. Sadly, I doubt any of them will ever admit they were duped and they'll just continue believing because they want to believe.

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2    2 months ago

if some fell for it. I bet it won't take over 4 years to recognize it like it did some liberals and the collusion hoax

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.2.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.1    2 months ago
the collusion hoax

What collusion hoax?

No ‘Hoax’: Bipartisan Senate Report Confirms Russian 2016 Role, Putin Ordered DNC Hack, More

"The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election.

The report builds on special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation — and while it was consistent with the Mueller Report, it in fact goes further."

The only ones still in denial of Russia's involvement with the Trump campaign are those who keep calling it a hoax as they were instructed to do in RT talking points passed on to them through numerous right wing media fake news sites.

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.2    2 months ago

you probably need to look up what collusion is is before further discussion.

Hint: collision requires coordinated efforts. 

I see you have swallowed what much of the media spoonfed you.

sad

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.2    2 months ago

even your boy Mueller couldn't find it!

and he was looking for it!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
12.2.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @12.2.2    2 months ago

Let's say it again, straight from the horse's mouth (Mueller):

"The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities"

Will it take this being posted a million times for it sink in among TDS sufferers? Two million? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @12.2.5    2 months ago

the number isn't the problem, its the receiver

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.2.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.3    2 months ago
collision requires coordinated efforts.

So if this story came out today you'd ignore it as a nothing burger, right?

"Biden campaign chairman Greg Schultz passed internal Biden campaign information to a Chinese intelligence officer during the 2020 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.

The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Chinese intelligence during the 2020 campaign.

Schultz, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed a Chinese intelligence officer on the campaign's polling data and how the Biden campaign sought to beat Donald Trump in the presidential election.

Schultz connection with the Chinese intelligence officer was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Chinese intelligence officer may have been linked to the Chinese government's efforts to hack and leak Republican Party emails.

The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Chinese efforts to interfere in the 2020 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Chinese attempts to influence both the Biden campaign and the election."

You'd read that and just shrug your shoulders right? No big deal, right? No responsibility of Biden to keep his campaign manager in check, it's all that guy Schultz's fault so Biden shouldn't be blamed, right?

Here is the actual story:

"Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election, a new bipartisan Senate report concludes.

The findings draw a direct line between the president's former campaign chairman and Russian intelligence during the 2016 campaign.

Manafort, who was later convicted for financial fraud crimes, briefed Russian intelligence officer Konstantin Kilimnik on the campaign's polling data and how the Trump campaign sought to beat Hillary Clinton in the presidential election.

Manafort's connection with Kilimnik was a "grave counterintelligence threat," the report reads, adding that it found evidence the Russian intelligence officer may have been linked to the Russian government's efforts to hack and leak Democratic Party emails.

The findings are part of the Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigating Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election."

But I guess this just confirms something most Americans have known for a while, conservative Republican hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

Oh, and by the way, no one accused Trump of "collision" though there's no doubt he has run our nation straight into a tree and now all his little worshipers are panicking trying to find anyone else to blame but the incompetent driver.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
12.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @12    2 months ago

From the very beginning of her story I said she has not shown evidence, so wait to see if it's true or not, because it contradicts what many scientists had already determined.  Then when she said the government released it "ON PURPOSE" to infect their own people and the world, ONLY A FOOL COULD HAVE BELIEVED HER - I said NO LEADER WOULD EVER DO THAT TO THEIR OWN PEOPLE, so she HAD to be lying, and I was put down and criticized by the Trumpsters here.  She followed the typical Trump and his disciples' technique - accuse without proof or evidence, like they have done with TikTok, and WeChat, and the Houston consulate, and Huawei and all the rest of their unfounded accusations in the hope of deflecting from Trump's now PROVEN OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH negligent mishandling of the pandemic.  

Attention Trumpsters:  All that lying and false accusations is not going to get your "chosen one" re-elected. 

Here is an accusation that was made against ME here:

"do you ever get dizzy spinning so much?"

So how was THAT for spinning, eh?

 
 
 
JBB
13  JBB    2 months ago

Whoever posted this bullshit should be ashamed...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
13.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JBB @13    2 months ago

The Trumpsters NEVER admit they may have been wrong, so it's unlikely they will feel shame.  After all, false accusations is their style - make an accusation and present no evidence or proof.  Isn't that what Trump and his staff have been doing, like their accusations concerning the Chinese consulate in Houston - accuse of wrongdoing and present no evidence or proof of it, then break in and seek evidence (contrary to all international rules and protocols - but fuck the law, eh?) and STILL find no evidence, and like their accusations that are NOT proven nor has evidence been presented against Huawei, TiKToK, WeChat, Confucous Institutes, etc.  

 
 
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