Jan. 6 footage shows cops bringing QAnon Shaman to Senate floor
By: Miranda Devine (New York Post)
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Newly revealed surveillance footage from Jan. 6, 2021, shows two Capitol police officers escorting Jacob Chansley, the be-horned so-called "QAnon Shaman" who has come to symbolize the riot, through the halls of the Capitol and to the very door of the US Senate.
The footage aired on Tucker Carlson's Fox News show Monday night shows the officers closely following Chansley as he wanders the corridors of the Capitol, bare-chested and wearing face paint and a luxuriant fur hat with Viking horns.
"Virtually every moment of his time inside the Capitol was caught on tape," says Carlson, who was granted exclusive access by Speaker Kevin McCarthy to 40,000 hours of surveillance footage from that day inside and around the Capitol, which has never been seen before by the public.
"The tapes show the Capitol police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides."
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At one point, the officers are seen walking Chansley past seven other police officers milling around outside the Senate chamber, who barely give him a second look.
Then they escort him to various entrances of the chamber which appear to be locked. Eventually, they help him open a door, and he enters the chamber.
Chansley, a 33-year-old naval veteran from Arizona, has been jailed for almost four years for "obstructing an official proceeding."
In a jailhouse interview played by Carlson, he says: "The one very serious regret that I have [is] believing that when we were waved in by police officers that it was acceptable."
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In a statement, the Capitol police suggest that one of the officers with Chansley was trying to "de-escalate" the situation because he was outnumbered.
But that does not explain why Chansley, who was unarmed, was able to walk past seven more officers without being apprehended.
"Not one of them even tried to slow him down," says Carlson.
He "understood that the Capitol police were his allies. . . . If he was in the act of committing such a grave crime, why didn't the officers standing right next to him place him under arrest?"
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And yet in the narrative formed that day by the Democrats and much of the media, "Jacob Chansley became the face of January 6, a dangerous conspiracy theorist dressed in an outlandish costume who led the violent insurrection to overthrow America's democracy," says Carlson.
McCarthy has been criticized for releasing the footage to Carlson who plans to air five stories based on the footage over two nights which he says "demolishes" the Democratic narrative of January 6.
As well as Chansley's story, Carlson will air footage that he says debunks the claim that Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick was murdered by rioters.
Other accusations against Republicans which were promoted by the heavily partisan January 6 committee are shown in a strikingly different light by footage to be aired by Carlson, including viral video of Senator Josh Hawley running away from rioters on the day which appears to have been taken out of context.
Claims that Congressman Brian Loudermilk of Georgia guided "insurrectionists" around the Capitol to help them disrupt Senate proceedings contrast with footage of him showing constituents around the next-door Rayburn building the previous evening.
"Taken as a whole, the video record does not support the claim that January 6 was an insurrection," says Carlson.
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In fact, it demolishes that claim, and that's exactly why the Democratic Party and its allies in the media stopped you from seeing it."
"By controlling the images you were allowed to view from January 6, they controlled how the public understood that day. They could lie about what happened and you would never know the difference. Those lies had a purpose. They created a pretext for a federal crackdown on opponents of the uni party in Washington."
Democratic lawmakers such as Rep. Jamie Raskin have warned that Carlson poses a "serious security risk" and have accused the Fox News host of being a "pro-Putin, pro-Orban, pro-autocrat propagandist."
"There's thousands of hours of footage that are out there already," Raskin told MSNBC. "But the reason all of it wasn't released is precisely because it lays out floor design, it lays out evacuation routes, it lays out where the vice president went, it lays out where the senior members of Congress were evacuated, and so on."
Carlson's team says their footage has been vetted by congressional authorities to ensure it does not pose a security risk.
They further point out that the January 6 committee aired footage of the evacuation routes of VP Mike Pence and Hawley.
Having failed to stop the release of the footage last week, Rep. Adam Schiff criticized Carlson in a tweet as "a weak, weak man."
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And who said the J6 Committee wasn't another partisan shit show.
Carlson's presentation acts as an exellent IQ test.
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If you believe the TDS driven overly partisan hand picked Pelosi Jan 6th committee, you were just proven wrong!
No matter how you want to spin it!
Calling people names won't do it.
Again, has fuck all to do with what he says and more of what the video(s) show. These excerpts were NOT shown in the clown show produced for TV J6 SCUMmittee hearings.
I have a novel idea. Why don't you comment on the actual article or at least the video described in it.
You people are making fools out of yourselves.
You realize just saying it over and over does not make it true don't you?
Yes, JR......dont believe your lying eyes.
Carlson essentially put the Committee on trial, and they ended up looking like what they were: partisan hacks, who lie and cheat. The entire point of that partisan committee was to prevent Trump from running again. As Carlson pointed out the Committee referred Trump to the DOJ for prosecution, but what they didn't do is explain what happened on Jan 6th.
Tip of the hat to Carlson for doing just that!
The Jan 6th committee focused on Trump. Focusing on the Shaman, et. al. instead of the facts relevant to Trump's inaction is deflection. Obviously this is the best that Carlson has to offer.
Three days ago ( link ) I posted (sarcastically) what Carlson would be able to now prove with his footage:
Turns out, he ignored all questions of Trump's wrongdoing and instead focused on ancillary items such as:
Well I was close on one item, he did point out that only a minority were violent and that most who entered the capital just walked through the door and did not engage in violence. I think most people already knew that the insurrectionists were a minority out of the many thousands who comprised the crowd.
But Carlson will be playing more. Maybe he will actually touch on the focus of the Jan 6th committee: Trump's role.
Somehow, given his grand opening was at best weak deflection, I doubt anything of value will be forthcoming from Carlson.
This is the 2nd time you've posted this. I saw it somewhere this morning.
Start with Hawley. You admit he wasn't the only one running. Can you admit that it is obvious that tape was edited to give the impression that he was the only one running?
Is that a problem for you?
Is it your position that the Jan 6th committee was about Hawley?
Admit??? Why is this something that I would admit? Hell, I declare it. It is obvious, Vic, that many people were running. Josh Hawley being the only one running that day was never a claim made by anyone that I know of.
Why (I know why) do you focus on chickenshit deflections when you know full well that the Jan 6th commission was about Trump's actions and inaction?
im sure he wasnt the only one running , but im pretty sure he was the only one running who gave the crowd a fist pump earlier in the day
No problem. I'm wondering where JBB's piece went.
Is it it your position that the Jan 6th committee was about Hawley?
Of course not, but it was one of the many misleading narratives they created.
Admit??? Why is this something that I would admit? Hell, I declare it. It is obvious, Vic, that many people were running. Josh Hawley being the only one running that day was never a claim made by anyone that I know of.
The Committee absolutely implied it. Are you too partisan to admit that?
Why (I know why) do you focus on chickenshit deflections when you know full well that the Jan 6th commission was about Trumps actions and inaction?
I am attempting to dissect your partisan commentary piece by piece.
Nobody would assume that looking at the Committee's edited version.
but im pretty sure he was the only one running who gave the crowd a fist pump earlier in the day
Then you don't want to have a serious discussion.
Next
Show me exactly where my comments are partisan.
The committee implied that Josh Hawley was the only one running that day? Really? Did you watch their presentations? Do you actually believe that Josh Hawley is more than punctuation on their presentation of Trump's actions and inactions?
That is NOT what the scummittee was about. Supposedly, it was to investigate how it happened and how to avoid samee at a later date. Or are you admitting that was never the case and rather "Get Trump at All Costs" was the intended end?
While their stated goal was to see what happened and figure out how to prevent it in the future. But it turned into a partisan shit show.
This article has nothing to do with that. Let's keep it on topic.
Start here:
Josh Hawley being the only one running that day was never a claim made by anyone that I know of.
The committee implied that Josh Hawley was the only one running that day? Really?
He was the last member running from the chamber. They cut off the tape showing all those, democrats & Republicans, running in front of him. When they showed their edited tape during the hearings they were openly laughing about it.
You can't be that obtuse!
You know you aren't going to get an answer to this question, right?
Then you are very ill-informed and clearly did not watch their presentations.
What is with the 'admitting' nonsense? I have stated for months that the committee was partisan and biased. Of course they were focused on Trump. Hello? What I have argued is that even though we know the committee is partisan that we should take seriously the testimony of the connected Republican high-level operatives who compromised their political careers by testifying.
He called that deception a "chickenshit deflection", yet he'll fight like hell to deny it was a deception.
Resorting to name-calling so soon? First, Josh Hawley is almost irrelevant to the Jan 6th presentations. Second, nobody claimed he was the only one running. They showed him running to contrast with his earlier support of the mob gathering at the Capitol. Apparently you did not watch the presentation.
The committee presentation of that film is contained in post # 6.
You will see them openly laughing about the sight of Hawley running ALONE!
Bull Shit. They presented him as an agitator, and they were clearly implying that he was running ALONE.
Again: The Committee presentation can be seen in post # 6
And dance around trying to gaslight everybody into believing the bullshit.
This is more pathetic than I thought.
You really are carrying Carlson's water and pretending that the Jan 6th committee was focused on ancillary points such as Josh Hawley and the Shaman.
Where did Carlson offer anything that shows:
Carlson has thus far focused on deflections. His tactic (obviously) is to claim lies by the Jan 6th committee and argue that everything they presented (including testimonies of connected, high-ranking Republican operatives who compromised their political careers by testifying) is all bullshit.
All Carlson has accomplished is to work up Trump supporters (and people like you who are indirectly enabling Trump) based on ancillary issues while ignoring the heart of the issue: Trump's actions (leading to Jan 6th) and inaction on Jan 6th.
Oh, so in your mind that means they were claiming that Hawley was the only person who ran that day?
You continue to focus on ancillary points while ignoring what the Jan 6th committee argued: Trump's actions and inaction.
Josh Hawley is a side note.
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Until you are able to admit that they deliberately edited that tape to mislead people, I won't be able to move on to your other claims in post 1.3
Tig, you are talking two miles above their heads. It has been obvious for a long time that all of these right wingers here never watched a minute of the Jan 6 committee hearings, or they watched the propaganda recaps on Fox News or Newsmax or OAN. I have yet to see a single sentence from a single one of them that addresses the points you make above. That is because they KNOW NOTHING about those topics. They dont want to know.
Now Trump will run again, and they will all vote for him.
We are living in a degraded nation.
Try to get a grip or at least answer my questions
Could it be because many don't have a damn thing to do with the article? But you two aren't known for keeping on topic now are you?
By these actions they enable Trump. Thus Trump has the potential to be nominated (and then lose in the general). And if not nominated, Trump will have the power to be a spoiler.
In either case, by continuing to defend Trump, they make it more likely to yield the presidency to whomever is the D nominee.
How in hell is "Josh Hawley being the only one running that day was never a claim made by anyone that I know of." a partisan comment?
You obviously have nothing.
Democrats have the same problem. Biden has a record to defend.
You are doing the same thing the Committee did. I'm not buying it.
Good grief. You continue to dwell on the irrelevant.
Josh Hawley supported the crowed visibly then, later in the day, he (like countless others) had to run from the crowd. They showed that. That was a partisan jab at Republicans and Hawley in particular while emphasizing that people did indeed have to run from the crowd. Obviously, Vic.
You somehow in your mind believe they intended to present the false narrative that Hawley was the only person running from the crowd. That makes no logical sense; it is a ridiculous belief.
Josh Hawley is a side note. Where is the Carlson proof the exonerates Trump?
Vic,
It takes me a few minutes to show this guy trying to break into the Capital. If he hadn't come looking like such a fool, he might not be as identifiable. And maybe he was not the worst of them, but he was where he shouldn't have been.
So he was nice once he was in. Big deal. We all watched live (not during the hearings) what was going on at the Capital on that day, so this is one big deflection.
It was also part of a deal that McCarthy made with Carlson to get voted in as speaker. I am disgusted with them both.
Where is the proof that Trump is guilty and if he is, what is taking so long? Is Garland chickenshit or does he think he would look the fool and lose (one in the same I guess)?
Guilt is determined by a court of law.
Do you need more evidence that Trump engaged in wrongdoing regarding Jan 6th?
For example, was it wrong for Trump to suborn Pence to table certified votes?
The Jan 6th committee was full of shit- just like your narrative.
Not their fucking job; and not the reason the Jan 6th committee was put together.
Whatever happened to looking into the security for Jan 6th; and ensuring it never happened again. Pelosi and her TDS driven partisan hand picked morons turned it into another "get Trump at all costs" shit show.
Here is answers to your link. I will try not to be too condescending; but it will be hard.
But keep spamming this BS. It would be funny if it wasn't so sickening.
Yep. What's your point and where are the subpoenas and warrants for his arrest?
I don’t see anyone defending this guys actions. I see numerous people pointing out that the coverage of his actions, up to this point, was carefully edited to push a clearly partisan narrative.
Now Tucker brings out a more complete picture (which should have available long ago) and he gets attacked. By the people who bought the clearly heavily edited propaganda. Hook line and sinker.
I find it incredible that some of the usually more reasonable of you here have not made that simple connection and/or refuse to acknowledge it.
Amazing.
He knows nothing about that, it wasnt mentioned in right wing media.
The president cannot intervene to stop violence on federal property? LOL. Even Trumps defenders dont make that argument. His best possible defense would be that he didnt know about the riot. But there are multiple witnesses that saw him watching it on television, and he was on the phone with people in the Capitol building who were asking him for help. In fact when Kevin Mccarthy asked trump for help Trump told him that the people who invaded the building cared more about the stolen election than he (McCarthy) did.
It should be; but leftists (including you) already have him tried and convicted.
You will have to provide all of the evidence first. Including that which doesn't fit the TDS partisan Pelosi Jan 6th committee narrative. So far the Jan 6th committee looks to be full of shit.
So now you want to split hairs on what the definition of "is" is? Where the hell were you during the Clinton trial? He coerced witnesses and tried to get them to lie under oath. "Suborn". What a load of shit. But you want to hang your hat on that; I am sure the TDS driven Special Prosecutor Garland assigned would love to hear from you.
Except that there is footage of him as part of the group breaking in. Listen and look at why the judge was so angry with him:
If you are telling me that my eyes lied when I watched this live (before the so-called editing), I'm sorry, but no. Anyone who stormed the Capital was wrong, plain and simple.
I have never stated that Trump is guilty. This is you again just making shit up in lieu of an actual argument. I have stated that it was wrong for Trump to engage in acts like suborning Pence to table certified votes, etc.
Obviously you reject all evidence. To not comprehend that Trump engaged in wrongdoing is to be living in a partisan fantasy.
WTF are you talking about now? Good grief man, you have absolutely nothing. Clinton trial?? Clinton lied under oath. Coercing witnesses to lie under oath is clearly wrong.
You actually deny that Trump tried to get Pence to table certified votes??
Except he didn't break in. He walked through a door. But guilt by association I guess. And watching that video, seems to me like the judge was mad because it forced his hand and they supposed, and imagined in many circles, that he was the de facto leader.....................
I’m telling you what I wrote in 1.3.35. Nothing more, nothing less.
You keep circling back to say what he did was wrong. Again, who here is defending his actions that day?
Your response is confused. I stated that my posts were sarcasm and I made these points before Carlson's airing.
My point was that Carlson would fail to achieve any of those claims.
How in the world can you say this.........
And follow it with this........................
So is he or is he not guilty of engaging in wrongdoing?
Jake accepted a plea deal for 41 month. He must have felt guilty about something.
Guilt is determined by a court of law.
One can conclude that it was wrong for Trump to suborn Pence to unconstitutionally table certified votes without a trial.
One can conclude that it was wrong for Trump to throw Pence under the bus in a tweet as the insurrection was in progress without a trial.
One can conclude that it was wrong for Trump to lie to his supporters (and the world) that the election was rigged and that their votes were disenfranchised without a trial.
etc.
Was it wrong for Trump to do those things?
To determine if Trump is guilty of a crime one must have formal charges, a trial and a verdict.
May be wrong but as of this writing, NONE of it illegal as it stands. If it was, should be damned easy to get some indictments and arrest warrant(s).
And by stating this...........
You have him guilty in your court of public opinion as being guilty since he allegedly did those things. He may be guilty of those things but until he is put in that court of law, he was just wrong. None of those items has been deemed illegal and it has been two years plus. Plenty of time for someone to pull the plug on that and get him into court. If not, those things just make him a prick who broke someone's moral code of conduct.
What words must I use to get you et. al. to stop attempting to argue guilt when I am speaking of wrongdoing? The above statement reads as though I have argued that what Trump has done broke specific laws. I have not done that; it is up to legal professionals to determine what (if any) laws were broken and then to press charges. Guilt is the verdict of a trial. Guilt is not something we can determine without a trial.
Again you keep pretending that I am arguing for guilt. Obviously you are doing this on purpose since I have been quite clear.
In lieu of an argument you invent a strawman.
Yeah, Jim, now what do you think I have been stating?
Trump engaged in wrongdoing. Go back and read what I wrote. It is the same thing I have written for months. Wrongdoing, not guilt.
I said it was wrong FFS. You act like it some fucking federal crime whereas if it was he would be in a courtroom. I am NOT going to use your exact words as you would like as evidenced by your need to badger. Try reading and understanding what it is I write and know that yep it was wrong. Do I really give a damn? That's on him and him alone
Now kindly get the fuck off my porch. Capiche?
After speaking of legality.
And yet again you go right back to legal questions of criminality. Get a clue.
I acknowledged your agreement of Trump's wrongdoing. Stand up and deal with the criticism of the balance of your post speaking of guilt.
You are free to shut up and / or run away at any point. Continue to play this guilt / legal strawman and I will continue to call it out.
You are acting as though Trump should be in front of a firing squad merely for you opinion of wrongdoing. IT WAS WRONG!!! That you are obsessed with that fact is quite perplexing on its face. Everyone knows it was wrong but to continue to hammer on it for whatever arrogant reason is quite silly. Let it go. If it is a big fucking deal, the law will deal with it. And a dollar to a donut you won't be asked to testify even in a further investigation.
Your exaggerations are ridiculous. You have no argument so you engage in strawman arguments and now truly lame hyperbole.
I have argued that Trump engaged in a list of wrongful acts. In response you equate this to asking that he be put to death. Get a grip.
That's not good enough, it isn't bolded and there should be 2 more exclamation points. Expect 4 more paragraphs beating the dead horse.
Dammit, missed it by 2.
He did. So fucking what? How did that affect you and yours? Mental distress it seems as even when someone agrees with you, unless they fall at your feet and kiss your ring, you keep pounding on it as if they came to your door and broke in. YOU get a fucking grip and just drop it. It's done. He will pay should that be determined. He IS paying now as his popularity is suffering. Maybe not enough for you but the election cycle is a long way away and a lot can happen. What is it about him that scares you so much?
Yes he did.
So wrongdoing is not the same as legal guilt. I responded to your conflation.
Your theatrics are ridiculous; get a grip.
Why are you not concerned?
A door that was shut, like all the other doors to the Capital, among a pile of other men who were forcing their way in.
The judge was mad, because Jake because he was not just an innocent bystander, as he tried to make it sound, but part of a mob.
Exactly!
Is the January 6th committee focused on Trump or prevent future acts of violence, which is it?
It wasn't shut when he went through it. He could have stayed where he was and helped the idiots that were still breaking windows.
Bingo and it never was about all that. It was always "get Trump at any cost, even if we do look like dumbasses"
Silly question Tig. There isnt a single right winger on this forum that would be bothered even a bit if Trump became president again.
Not you, but people in this country have to stop pussyfooting with these people and get serious about all this. There is far too much apathy in this country.
Because there is no reason to be afraid even if he does get elected. I liked my life when he was PotUS just as I do now with Great Grandpa in office.
And if the D's run Biden again, no matter against whom, he just may lose. Or get elected and then finally the 25th could catch on depending on his running mate.
And I guess we have to go back to the age old "never been answered question" from days of yore. Just how did his being president affect you and yours in a negative way?
It's rhetorical more than likely. NONE of you left wingers EVER answered it then, and I am sure even with two more years to ponder, you still won't be able to offer one viable thing.
'Afraid' is the wrong word. 'Concern' is the word I used.
One would have to be a fool to not be concerned if Trump regains the presidency.
Both, but primarily on holding Trump accountable for his actions and inaction.
Did you not watch the proceedings?
Why? Please be specific........there is a reason we have checks and balances and a justice department
thanks
I suggest you read the directive in 1.3.59 again.
Many people did. Ever wonder why the scummittee didn't focus on intelligence gotten prior to the event? Or why they weren't ready? Or how about the extra security measures that should have been taken. They didn't touch a single bit of the incompetence of the DC police, capital police or any other entity that could have curtailed it. They were supposed to be investigating so it wouldn't happen again. THAT was supposed to be the main thrust.
fuck off
I dont like criminals running our government.
If life is "good" for you no matter who is president, would you vote for Charles Manson? How about Bernie Madoff ?
You need this explained to you?
Do you think it is sensible to have, as PotUS, an individual who has demonstrated (especially with his Big Lie campaign) that he will stop at no moral, constitutional or ethical boundaries to achieve his personal desires?
Trump is the only PotUS in our history who has attempted to steal a presidential election and thwart (even today) the peaceful transition of power. He would be in his second term and have no need to worry about reelection. He would thus be able to pursue whatever agenda he wished with the powers of the presidency with the only recourse being conviction upon impeachment.
Given the absurd depths he was willing to go to attempt to steal the 2020 election, everyone should be concerned with what he might do.
But note that my concern is not that he will be PotUS because I see no way for him to win in the general election.
Rather, as I have posted for over a year now, the concern is that he would take the GOP nomination (a possibility). And if he does not get the nomination, he would likely spoil the GOP nominee by running as a third party candidate.
So, you do not care that the GOP is very likely to lose the next presidential election because of Trump?
Did you listen to the show or just hear about it on MSNBC?
You want to know if Pence or anyone else was in danger. Do you have a reason to believe he or any other members of congress was, if so please provide it.
Do you believe everything you read?
My answer was based on what has actually happened. I recommend you go by evidence too rather than simply accept words.
No. Do you not comprehend what I wrote? The committee was out to hold Trump accountable. Do the math.
The fact that you must ask someone to give you such a reason means there is no point attempting to reason with you ... it is hopeless.
As for your adornment of my comments, Carlson did not accomplish any of those items. The closest he came was to illustrate that those engaged in violence were a minority. That is something that we all already knew. And that minority was substantially more than a 'handful of people'.
Do you realize that this is a list of sarcastic predictions of what Carlson was going to show? Do you not understand how sarcasm works?
The committee was one-sided, their only goal was to "get Trump" or as you put it "focused on Trump".
You say "fact" provide an instance where a member of Congress was assaulted.
Then why do you expect him to address them?
“…provide an instance where a member of Congress was assaulted.”
..:.for gawd’s sake…the entire function of Congress was assaulted. To their credit and for our benefit, they postponed but did not deter from their sworn duty.
If the January 6th insurrectionists had succeeded it would have been the end of our Republic as we know it, which was an assault upon the United States!
“What is it about him that scares you so much?”
The evidence is provided in every sound byte and every text.
Conversely, what is it about him that merits allegiance?
“I liked my life when he was PotUS just as I do now with Great Grandpa in office.”
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Too many misfits with no real leadership at the top.
Boy are you in for a terrible surprise.
Well.... they're both dead.... so possibly not the best choices.
JR should have included Jim Jones.
We likely wouldn't have such a political divide in this country if conservatives were willing to do the same to their Democratic opponents, but of course that's just a hilarious fantasy today. It does give me a slight chuckle to see someone on the right asking for those on the left to just "let" their attempted insurrection "go" and to just move on while they themselves daily drag out the metaphorical dead horses of their political opponents and wail away at them. "Hunters laptop! Clinton campaign shenanigans! Clintons private server! Obamas IRS scandal! Hell, lets drag out Monica Lewinsky too and make it a big ol' dead horse beating party! But don't you dare bring up the attempted insurrection by right wing conservatives on January 6th, 2021! That was so long ago and not worth mentioning and we should all just get over it, it was such a minor thing anyway, really more of a peaceful tour of the capital, yeah, that's it!"... /s
I think this is just nearly impossible for some people to comprehend.
The occupant of the WH matters incredibly little to the everyday life of the average American.
If your life (general "you", not Jim specifically) is significantly better or worse based on who is president, you're doing it wrong.
It would be wonderful. All that hegemony..... oops.... I mean harmony. Just think about what we could accomplish.
I'll save you a seat in the gulag.
“The occupant of the WH matters incredibly little to the everyday life of the average American.”
Hear, hear!!!
Of course they were one-sided. Of course they focused on Trump.
But you apparently did not see that they had all Republican witnesses who were high-ranking, connected and who compromised their political careers to testify. You ignore their testimony because the committee is partisan?
Ignore the committee, pay attention to the witnesses.
I never claimed any member of congress was personally, physically assaulted.
Never ending strawman arguments from Trump defenders.
I did not expect him to address them.
You truly do not understand how sarcasm works. Good grief man.
How about the noose and scaffold outside and the nutbags chanting "hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence" ?
Some people have the remarkable and unfortunate ability to ignore that which they wish to not be true.
OK.
Well then we'll wait on objective proceedings.
The irony.....
You do not have to wait. Just listen to the testimonies of the connected, high-ranking Republicans who compromised their political careers by testifying. Ignore the editorializing by the committee and just consider the testimonies. That gives you information that you can add to your collective knowledge and you always have the ability to apply confidence factors to each bit of information.
State specifically what you are implying that I am ignoring because I do not want it to be true.
Of course not. We can ingest 1/1000th of the data and draw our conclusions immediately. What possible benefit could unbiased sets of data be?
You mean... ignore the fact that we've only been given a sliver of carefully selected data designed to manipulate us into a single conclusion? Sure. Why not?
Or.... I can simply wait until the full data set becomes available, review it, and make a more informed decision.
The existence and/or relevance of "the rest of the story".
What ridiculous hyperbole. 1/1000th? You think that the testimony of Rusty Bowers, Bill Barr, Pat Cipollone, etc., etc. was a tiny bit of some grand corpus of information? That the important facts of Jan 6th are in some hidden 99.9% percentile?
You need a "full data set" to draw interim conclusions? Is that how you operate in life ... walk around indecisively until a "full data set" arrives?
What utter nonsense.
Where do I ignore the possibility that there is more to the story? What is it with this tendency of some to just make shit up?
Sure, I do not buy the truly absurd notion that we only know 1/1000th of the story but that does not mean, in any stretch of the imagination, that I hold we have ALL the information.
We have a great deal of information about Jan 6th. We had quite a bit prior to the Jan 6th committee. Just observing Trump's actions and words should have given you considerable insight. There are certainly more details but the likelihood that there is shattering information (kept secret all this time) that will turn the perception of Trump's actions and inaction on its ear does not seem likely. But go ahead and hold your wishful thought; no matter how at odds it is with basic common sense and the wisdom of a normal functioning, informed adult.
I can't argue with that.
So he was nice once he was in. Big deal.
Do you think he should have got 4 years?
It was also part of a deal that McCarthy made with Carlson to get voted in as speaker.
I'll have to look into that. Thanks for the info.
You think it wasn't?
18 months of investigation, tens of thousands of pages of documents, and you think what you saw on TV is most of that?
It's far less than 1/1000th of the data.
Thank you for proving my point.
The people that attacked the police on Jan 6th were 100% wrong and should be prosecuted but, they were a small contingent compared to the crowd that gathered in front of the Capital. Had there been an organized insurrection as "you call it" they would have taken over the Capital so stop calling it an insurrection.
Worked as a nightclub bouncer for way too many years.
Miss the days when I could grab a fool by the throat and shake a little sense into him.
Wonder if the DOJ released these tapes to the defense for the QAnon Shaman and they were shown in court?
If so what fucking jury would ever move to convict based on what the tapes show? Hard to argue when he has a police escort around the Capitol Building trying to open doors for him, and literally walking him past security.
Next they need to release the tapes of the police ushering people into the Capitol Building. All of it- no matter how many hours worth it is. These tapes also need to be provided to the defense for those being charge. Let the judges know just how full of shit that partisan Garland and his DOJ really are. "Parading" what a fucking joke. Just like our two tier justice system.
All of the officers in the tapes need to be identified and forced to testify in court as well. Find out why they weren't doing their damn jobs keeping all of those "violent insurrectionists" out, and arresting them once they entered the Capitol Bldg. Especially those unarmed ones like the QAnon Shaman.
Giving these tapes to the defense would be justification for overturned / exonerated convictions for a very large part of the convictions because information was withheld from the defense.
The QLoon pleaded guilty without going to trial, because HE KNEW HE WAS GUILTY. He made a plea deal with the prosecutors because he knew that when (not if) he was convicted, his sentence could have been for even longer.
Dee dee deet deet .....radio silence from our friends on the left. Of course it’s not noon yet so many probably aren’t up.
One of them put up a whining article about how these videos don't fit their narrative so they are crying about that.
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
So where is your evidence the footage is wrong; or doesn't show what Carlson states?
You are only kidding (deluding) yourself.
You are a fairly intelligent guy, dont make a fool out of yourself.
We already have footage of a violent assault on the Capitol, showing additional footage that doesnt show a violent assault doesnt negate the first footage. It shows that there were times when there was no "action" going on. Jacob Chansley entered the US Senate chamber and sat in the vice presidents chair like he was a tribal potentate or something. At the same exact time, others of his group were searching senators desks for something they could use against them in order to "stop the steal".
Many of those who entered that building WERE THERE to try and prevent the electoral vote which was going to take place in that time frame. Would they have hung Nancy Pelosi? Who knows? But she was under no requirement to stay around and find out.
I am sure that some of the people who entered the capitol just got caught up in the excitement of the mob surge and went inside because everybody else was. A herd mentality. Others thought they were taking part in a revolution. "This is our July 4 1776" .
Carlson's footage "proves" nothing but that he is an un-American traitor.
What you have is EDITED footage. What Carlson is releasing proves that.
You spelled "majority" wrong.................
And we have a BINGO...............
Exactly.
It was broadcast live while it was happening.
Carlson's best evidence is evidently that the guy with the horns is seen walking peacefully through some halls for a few minutes. So fucking what? Do you think that actually proves anything? And that is his best evidence. My god.
Carlson claims that the police officer murdered Ashley Babbitt. But why did he shoot Babbitt at all? After all, she was part of an obviously "peaceful" tourist group. One that just happened to be trying to break down a barricaded and locked door just 25 feet from the entrance to the floor of the House of Representatives. Then when the window in the door was broken and cleared she climbed through undoubtedly to lead the way for the others to enter behind her. Was the cop supposed to be a mind reader, and not believe his eyes and ears but rather understand that the people violently trying to break down the door to the House of Representatives was actually a peaceful tourist group? There were seven seconds between the time when one of her compatriots yelled out "he's got a gun" and when Babbitt climbed through the window. Its a shame she didnt take those seven seconds to save her own life.
You want to have a spelling contest with me? Lets go.
Don't bother John. We have those who specialize in insults.
We want to know why democrats edited the Hawley film?
In that case, why do you expect that of cops facing armed thugs?
That POS admitted that he didn't even know if she was armed.
He murdered her John and democrats were happy to let him get away with it.
How about the lies of cops being killed?
A: They lack integrity?
B: They have no honor?
C: They are Liars?
D: They are scared little men?
E: All of the above?
Both Carlson and Fox News are on record about lying to their viewers for views and money. There is nothing here but confirmation bias. If what Carlson is proposing here is really true then this "shaman" asshat can appeal his conviction and sue for damages. I won't hold my breath.
To the cop, and very reasonably so, the people trying to break down a locked and barricaded door mere feet from the chamber he was protecting were violent.
You seriously believe he should have let them enter? He didnt know who or how many among them were armed or not, he just knew they were violent. His job was to protect the House members of which for all he knew some of them may have still been in the chamber (the last of them had left moments earlier). When you violently try and enter a blocked and barricaded door leading directly to the US Congress floor you are asking for whatever happened to you.
The cop was supposed to stand down and let her in so the rest of the mob could follow? That is nuts.
It proves your narrative if fiction.
Not the topic here. Get it straight.
In Baltimore they had the police stand down.
Why did he murder an unarmed woman? Was he really afraid of her?
He murdered her and the dirty democrats made a hero out of him. What scum!
No, it doesnt. People who believe that watching the shaman walk peacefully through a few hallways proves that the day was peaceful and not intended to stop the electoral count are morons.
Did you watch the unedited film?
Why did Capitol police escort him in and open doors for him?
Does anyone know?
What Carlson "proposed" was the full video withheld from the courts and public. The DOJ withholding information is justification for a new trial or the conviction being overturned. The same could be said about EVERY conviction related to this protest.
The existence of the videos proves that much of what the J6 Shit Show presented is false. The narrative has fallen apart.
My assumption would be that either they knew they were outnumbered and playing along to protect themselves, or they were Trump sympathizers within the police ranks who approved of "stop the steal".
Complete nonsense.
Even some of them were running through the halls, but they edited the film to show the last man out - Hawley.
They controlled all the film, and they used it to deceive the public.
I'm not. You on the other hand are denying evidence. Which is exactly what the Jan 6th committee did.
Yes, it has been highly edited and spooled over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, again. There is literally thousands of hours of footage. Why wasn't the rest released by the Jan 6th committee? Why did they only show footage that fit their "Get Trump at all costs" narrative?
It does for the people that didn't participate in the violent assault. Those that were ushered into the Capitol Building by DC police. Those that did nothing wrong, didn't destroy anything. Especially those that walked in- stayed between the tether lines and walked back out. "Parading"- anyone with this charge should have it dropped immediately. Can't parade if they were let in by DC police. Can't parade if they were escorted around.
No, it shows that there were many people that did nothing wrong. That the charges against them are just partisan TDS driven BS from Garland and Co. That is the reason I said release all of the footage of the DC police ushering people into the Capitol Building, no matter how many hours of it there are! Also provide it to the defense.
All allowed by DC police and security who could have arrested all of them at any time; but didn't.
Fuck Nancy Pelosi. If it wasn't for her, Schumer, and Bowser messing around with DC security Jan 6th may never have happened. Also look to the "Summer of Love" riots as to why they thought they could get away with it. That is what happens when you don't enforce the law! She was safe in her hiding hole making BS statements about punching a president. Imagine if any Republican offered to punch Brandon? Democrats would have the FBI and Secret Service on them forcing them to answer questions- the DOJ salivating in the wings.
I have no problem prosecuting those that assaulted DC police and security. No problem prosecuting those that broke windows and doors at/in the Capitol Building. Or if they vandalized any federal property. Nor those stupid enough to be caught plotting the overthrow of the US government- even if they never followed through on their plans. But you had better include every last BLM/Antifa member and their followers that destroyed federal property and assaulted federal offices as well during their "not so peaceful" protests. Garland and the DOJ have amnesia when it comes to leftists doing the same thing as Jan 6th rioters.
You are right about the traitor part- just pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Pelosi and the Jan 6th committee have a shitload to answer for.
You are always "assuming things" John, in one direction. So they went from playing nice to killing an unarmed woman?
All the worst to her!
Prove it such then. So far we've seen absolutely nothing. You narrative about Jacob Chansley is pure garbage. Your narrative about Hawley is pure garbage. The more video release will show your narrative to be garbage as well. Which is something many of us knew from the start.
You can’t be serious!
Is it? Or are you taking Carlson's word it's the full video?
Yes, if true, but considering he's already said publicly he's sorry he broke the law...
I'm not sure he's getting a new trial anytime soon.
Right... just like 2000 Mules has shown irrevocable proof of election fraud? I think Carlson is handing you exactly what you want and like normal it's not the whole truth.
It's shown more of what happened that the committee did. Wonder why.
And that's supposed to cease all appeals? Nice try.
That remains to be seen.
Couldn't stay on topic could you.
It's not the whole truth, I'll admit that. But it is far more of the truth than we saw from the shit show.
The committee wasn't about the QAnon Shaman.
I never said would, or should. Only that it'll be more difficult since he's already admitted guilt.
It's a one-to-one comparison of partisan bullshit.
Well at least you admit that.
I assume you're talking about the J6 Committee...These "investigative" committees (both parties) do only one thing - fund raising for partisan re-elections. Until someone get criminally indicted, I'm not interested.
I never said it was. The committee wasn't supposed to be about an individual but here we have it in all it's partisan glory.
... it was still all about Trump anyway and there's really nothing more to say about it. It doesn't make what Carlson's doing any more palatable. It really makes the Carlson and House Republican Leadership exactly the same as the Dems. Assholes that think the rest of us are stupid enough to buy their bullshit.
The difference is Carlson and the House Republican Leadership are providing ALL the information as where the Democrats kept it hidden.
You all did buy into that J6 Shit Show...
You just admitted above they aren't.
I'm sure you'll go search my posting history and see where I did that? I didn't watch a minute of CSPAN or the aired prime time news casts. Again, just because I'm not agreeing with your partisan side, doesn't make me agree with the other partisan side. I don't see a whole lot of difference right now.
This is how stupid and gullible the people are listening to Carlson are -
Jan 6th was not a Hollywood movie, IT WAS BROADCAST LIVE. Every national news network showed it live, including the right's beloved Fox News, which the traitor Trump was watching from the Oval Office dining room . The scaling of the outside walls by a group of rioters who must have thought they were ninjas or something ( would "tourists" risk serious injury by scaling a large wall in order to enter a building that the police were going to allow them to enter anyway)? , the breaking of the windows in order to gain entrance to a LOCKED facility ( a crime by the way) the immediate attempts to locate the chambers of Congress?, the bashing down of a barricaded door mere feet from the entrance to the House floor?, was it peaceful when the mob attempted to break down that door?
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
Has nothing to do with listening. One could turn down the volume and judge for themselves what they DIDN'T see for the last two plus years.
And most around these parts KNOW what's wrong with some people such as yourself.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
But Trump...............as has always been..........
Vic, do want to debate me about Jan 6 and Trumps efforts to steal the 2020 election? Please do.
The first question that Carlson asked last night was what happened to those who seemed to be inciting the crowd but were never charged? That is one question still unanswered. What is not unanswered is the murder of Ashli Babbitt, the unarmed woman who was gunned down by a reckless Capitol police officer.
Yes, start right here John:
Tucker Carlson: January 6th Committee Lied About Josh Hawley Running Away | Video | RealClearPolitics
Was the video of Hawley running away fake? Was it not him? Was it speeded up to show him running away when he was really walking slowly away ?
LOL.
Dont believe your eyes that show Hawley running out of the building, believe Tucker Carlson.
Yikes.
That was the deception, John. It was easy to cut out everyone else, including themselves. I think you are being a little dishonest now not to admit that they deliberately misled the viewer.
Dont believe your eyes that show Hawley running out of the building, believe Tucker Carlson.
Yikes.
Yikes, the people just saw how they edited a film to mislead.
Where was your buddy AOC on that day? Why did she blatantly lie?
Having fun yet?
I always have fun pointing out how foolish y'all look.
Translation: I don't want to see all the evidence, just the evidence that confirms what I have already been told to believe.
And that put it on par with garbage TV shows like Jersey Shore. What you either fail to realize or are willfully ignorning is the videos shown so far by Carlson is picking apart your fictitious narrative of what happened.
There it is. The obligatory "but Trump" whining.
You mean the escorts to the chambers as this article points out?
Lets call it as peaceful as you and the left claim the George Floyd riots were.
We don't believe the bullshit coming from the partisan shit show called the J6 Committee or, given your track record, anything you claim.
Not in 2020 it wasn't!
was it peaceful when the mob attempted to break down that door?
I suppose, no different than the mob that wanted to storm the White House after burning down a church.
Are you having fun debating me?
That says it all. My left nut contains more intellect and reason than most of your comments here. Okay, only half my left nut.
It’s sad but true. TDS clearly rots the brain.
And truth causes some to become tongue-tied.
Let's score a win for Tucker Carlson. He will have more on Jan 6th tonight.
It looks like the so-called "debate" is over!
If only you could explain your opinions in a way that actually means something.
But after years of waiting it may be time to give up hope. You are either clueless or lazy. Take your pick.
Who's tongue tied? Lets have some names Vic !
Well, John, you are the only one who dared come over wanting to debate. The others are either trying to cancel us or have half the place on ignore or lurking in the shadows waiting to use a carefully veiled insult. So, although I credit you for having guts, you haven't really been able to answer my questions.
Well, after years of leading you to water, we still can’t make you drink.
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In the entire context of the day, your questions are childish.
As for others, maybe they are tired of hearing all this shit from the right on a constant basis. While I dont blame them, such apathy is enabling all this to continue on and on and on.
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You should read the fable of the emperor's new clothes again John. Then maybe you wouldn't make such foolish comments.
80% of this video is about Chansley. Why is that? It is because carlson found video of him walking peacefully through hallways. Big deal. Carlson claims, falsely, that Chansley was considered the leader of the insurrection. I've never heard anyone describe him as the leader until carlson just did so. Why did he? Because he found some video of Chansley being "peaceful".
The Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers were the "leaders" of the insurrection, to the extent that anyone was the "leader'. What did Carlson have to say about them?
This is only the first installment. Patience grasshopper.
I only heard him say that the media referred to him as "QAnon Sharman." The leftist media did call him that did they not? Carlson also said they made him the face of Jan 6th. You'd agree to that wouldn't you? So Carlson showed us what he did.
The question I asked before is still unanswered. What did Chansley do to justify 4 years in prison?
I predict that Carlson will fail to counter the core accusations made of Trump regarding his actions leading to Jan 6th and his inaction on Jan 6th. He will fail to counter the testimonies of the high-ranking, connected Republicans whose testimonies compromised their political careers.
He will, instead, continue to focus on ancillary items.
Like the partisan goals of the partisan committee. That he will.
What actions? Whining that he didn't win and he erroneously thought there was fraud? Big fucking deal. His opinion and his alone except shared by a bunch of morons who thought they could get away with stupid shit.
And again, where are the indictments? Didn't take long to round up 700+ and THAT took some effort identifying all of them. Trump is the most exposed of all of them as they know his every move. Why is he still walking the streets if he is so damned guilty of something?
Simple question and it shouldn't take much thought to answer.
"Leaders" you think Jan 6th had organized leaders? Not even the Democrat arm of the FBI believes that.
So John, where is this massive well organized sedition you have been spouting off about. I am all for charging anyone that was involved in plotting to overthrow the government; even if they never carried through with the plan. Or they were too fucking stupid to organize and carry it out. Charges have been filed against them; convictions have been made. Now care to address the elephant in the room that 95% percent of the cases are one offers? That means Jan 6th wasn't a sedition! End of story, please stop with the BS.
Charge those that assaulted DC police and security. Charge those that destroyed federal property. The rest get to go free. Sorry if you don't like it. Sorry if having them loose scares all of the leftists out there shitless. "Parading" again what a fucking joke. Garland should die of shame.
"Peacefully & patriotically make your voices heard." ... President Trump
And the J6 Clusterfuck edited that.
And the people we aren't hearing from will never admit it either.
Is that all you remember? So you have Trump stating the above and in contrast you have Trump refusing to act for three hours to intercede (although he did throw Pence under the bus via tweet during the insurrection).
That is the kind of blindness that enables Trump.
No, but it's the part that you and John seem to forget. Evidently, Garland took note.
The reason that Trump took no action for three hours is a simple one. He wanted the "insurrection" to succeed in stopping the electoral vote count. If he stopped it it could never succeed.
Seems you forgot that a course of action was presented to Pelosi and she turned it down. Why would you forget something as important as that?
Yup, you knew what he was thinking and what he was going to do. It's too bad that Ashli Babbitt didn't have your mind reading powers.
If you are referring to trump's alleged offer to provide national guard, prove it. Right now would be good.
You would accept that as good intentions?
You didn't see it? It's right there with the proof of all your other claims.
I asked you a simple question. Prove that Trump offered national guard troops to Pelosi. Dont dance, prove it.
I answered your question. Don't like the answer then that is something you have to deal with.
“Peacefully & patriotically make your voices heard." ... President Trump”
In context, how were those voices meant to be heard?
In overturning an election? In suspending the process to validate the indisputable results of that election? To storm the Capitol to threaten those charged to ensure the normal succession of power?
You have a very different and dangerous definition of ‘peacefully and patriotically”.
The protest was never specifically meant to be peaceful. It was meant to be successful, aka stopping the electoral count. If that could have been done peacefully Trump would have accepted it but all he wanted were results.
What exactly did Navy Veteran Jacob Chansley do to get 4 years in prison?
Nobody can answer these questions?
He didn't dress in drag.
If he only had done that, Biden would have made him assistant Secretary of the Navy. Yup, that would have saved him!
What exactly did Navy Veteran Jacob Chansley do to get 4 years in prison?
He plead guilty. The reason he plead guilty is he was also under the impression that the only footage of him was what we were shown over and over again and he lost in the court of public opinion. We know that he knew that what went down with him, as he proceeded through the building, that he himself wasn't violent, because he acknowledged the officers that helped him through the building in his prayer.
Did the prosecution know of all the extra footage of him and did they knowingly withhold this information to force a guilty plea?
In other words, he was framed. I have to agree.
Did the prosecution know of all the extra footage of him and did they knowingly withhold this information to force a guilty plea?
As Carlson pointed out, the footage was hidden for 2 years.
He became the face and symbol of the Jan 6th riots. He was all over the media footage; and that released by the Jan 6th committee. He dressed weird. Was very loud. With his antics it made him stand out in the crowd. They had to charge him with everything they could.
Now, if there is evidence of him assaulting DC police or security; vandalizing/destroying federal property; or plotting to overthrow the government- then he needs to be charged for such; but that is not what they charged him with.
As the video shows the part I bolded is full of BS. DC police led him around and past security. Destroys the whole "ignored repeated orders to leave the building" narrative completely. Also, a flag on a pole isn't a weapon- unless he used the pole as such. But he wasn't charged with violence. He needs a retrial; or the charges dismissed. They might be able to get him with threatening Mike Pence- but the DOJ didn't even bother to try it seems. Maybe a veiled threat isn't as good as doctored video evidence?
Not that we needed it but this is just more proof of how much of a joke the Jan 6th committee was.
A total joke.
Here is a bit more. I guess you could call it the wrap:
Reason is the red headed step child of liberal logic.
Denial and absurdity are their favored children ....
Did Charlie wrap Tucker into Trump's blankee or was it the other way around? Such cozy viewing for you!
Nah but the hive did reward all Jan 6th committee members.
Binky’s all around, drool buckets for the older ones.
Public disclosure strikes again. And the public disclosure reveals how Democrat politics has been conducted in the United States for a very long time.
Anyone with two functioning brain cells could see with their own eyes that the riot on Jan. 6th was not an insurrection. Peaceful protests in any major city are more violent than what happened on Jan. 6th. Peaceful protests only a few blocks away from the Capitol caused more damage during the 'summer of woke'. The Capitol wasn't stormed by gun crazed terrorists. The crowd wasn't even armed with concrete milkshakes. Nobody burned a police cruiser or, even, a dumpster. Sports celebrations are more violent than what happened on Jan. 6th.
Democrats put on a political show that was either extraordinarily cynical about the American people or was extremely ignorant of the American people. The public disclosure reveals that Democrats are really far more ignorant than cynical. Democrats built a case on bullshit and now Democrats are trying to bullshit their way out of the mess they created.
THE BIG LIE - PART II
Oh good morning! Or should I say good afternoon?
You must be out of pictures.
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That's okay. Democrats can still blame Republicans. It was Liz Cheney's Big Lie, after all.
It takes a special kind of stupid to give credence to content coming from a show who's owner admits under oath that his hosts lie.
Tell us you can't dispute the content without telling us you you can't dispute the content.
I can't dispute what I watched happening live on 1/6/2021.
“I can't dispute what I watched happening live on 1/6/2021”
And any one who did cannot, in any way, dismiss the horrific events that occurred.
Nothing in the footage Tucker released contradicts what we all saw happen that day. Just because a couple of capital police appear to walk that dumb fuck around does not in any way diminish or destroy what any sane human with more than half a brain watching that day saw.
Tucker is a known liar on a network that has admitted to knowingly lying to its viewers for the sake of ratings and commercial sales. He is now taking a sliver of video moments, a tiny fraction of the video captured that day, to create a bullshit narrative that he knows his gullible dumb shit conservative viewers will gobble up with gusto because it tickles their ears and tells them their defense of the indefensible on January 6th was warranted. It goes right along with the rest of the bullshit narratives those fucking useless psychos in the alternate right wing conservative universe believe.
Anyone buying into this new Tucker narrative of a supposedly "peaceful tour" of the capital on January 6th deserve full frontal lobotomies. Perhaps that will fix whatever the fuck is wrong with their clearly damaged brains.
Then why do all of you have your panties in a wad? Seems something Carlson aired goes against hive think.
Again, when you can't dispute the content, attack the source.
Anyone buying into this new Tucker narrative of a supposedly "peaceful tour" of the capital on January 6th deserve full frontal lobotomies.
Sorry. I do this thing that seems to be missing among those of you on the left, I look at all the information and think for myself. Despite what YOU and many others from the left want me to parrot, I see Capitol Police cordially talking to him and escorting him around.
I wonder what they were saying.
That's not what I'm seeing. I see several rational NT folk shaking their heads in disbelief as they watch a bunch of gullible conservative moron sharks go into a feeding frenzy over a gas bloated whale of a lie.
Anything outside the backwards rightwing conservative alternate universe is considered a "hive" to those sad gullible saps.
I don't have to dispute the content, as I said, nothing in the content negates ALL the other videos of the violence and chaos of those filthy insurrectionists.
Right, ignoring the mountain of other video while focusing on a few clips of a pieced together narrative from a lying Fox News host is looking "at all the information". And I hate to break it to you, but regurgitating the newly minted right wing conservative narrative crafted by Tucker and other liars at Fox is not thinking for yourself.
And that changes the beating of officers with flag poles, breaking through doors and windows and injuring hundreds of capital police officers how?
Yes, we know how fucking desperate right wing conservatives are to bury the January 6th insurrection, to deflect any and all blame so they can get back to fomenting the next one. It's clear that right wing conservatives consider life under a government for all is simply untenable as we hear many echo one of the rights apparently most intelligent (for a conservative) representatives MTG ask for a national divorce. They demand a government that is beholden to the needs of right wing white religious conservatives while classifying anyone else as a second class citizen. I don't think it will be all that long before we see an even more concerted effort by the right to violently overturn an election to install their supposedly righteous conservative Christian leader into power in an attempt to " make America great again" not unlike what we saw the Nazi's do to "make Germany great again".
So you are trying to get me to believe you all have your panties in a wad because of the SOURCE? Nice try. What has been shown so far is taking down the fictitious narrative you all have been blathering about for quite a while now.
Tucker being a known liar is merely an aside, and don't bother projecting your bunched panties on anyone else, it's beyond obvious who are desperately trying to twist and contort the video clips into some sort of counter narrative.
What completely DESTROYS the narrative of Tucker and his 'Tucks Dedicated Wipes' who listen to him is the MOUNTAIN of other video of the violence, chaos and destruction as well as the many, many testimonies from legislators on both sides of the aisle who were there that day. Tucker being a sniveling whiny butt munch liar simply explains why such a laughable dumb ass narrative was crafted in the first place, he's fucking with you and milking his viewers. I can almost guarantee that Tucker doesn't actually believe this shit he's slinging just like he didn't really believe there was election fraud in 2020. But he knows that's what his gullible viewers want so he's chopping up reality into the dyed red meat they demand and is being rewarded by the masses of non-college educated religious conservatives he's been slinging his lying slop for.
Nothing in the Qanon Shaman video debunks ANYTHING we saw in other videos. If someone believes it does then all I can say is wow because that's one of the most insane contortions of reality I've seen. And for anyone who believes something so fucking backwards and effectively claiming reality is a "fictitious narrative" I can only feel embarrassed for them.
Using the QAnon Shaman as the focal point of your argument is the equivalent of bringing a toothpick to a knife fight.
You wasted all that time and energy to say do have your panties in a wad over the source and can't dispute any of the content. Not that isn't something we haven't seen before.
It takes an especially “special” kind of obtuse to not believe the entirety of what is right in front of ones face but only believe a myopic slice of the total picture.
I watched the entirety for three hours on 1/6/2021. What "myopic slice" are you talking about ?
That is exactly what Tucker is asking his gullible dumb fuck viewers to do. To take his narrow myopic snippet of video and claim that because one guy was apparently guided through some hallways that that means the beating of the capital police officers with flag poles, the broken doors, broken windows, charging surging crowds, the hundreds of officers injured, didn't really happen. It really does take a "special" kind of obtuse to believe that kind of bullshit narrative because of some cherry picked video clips hand fed to viewers by a known admitted liar.
You make my point for me but I’ll be glad to answer your question. Your myopic slice is and I quote:
If you consider that an encompassing analysis given this seeded article well, I can’t help you.
The only dumbfucks here are the ones who bought the horseshit the Jan 6th committee was shoveling.
Enjoy!
On that we agree.
You mean the ones who continue to believe their own eyes regardless of the single pieced together video presented by a known liar used to create a counter-narrative to appease the scumbags who share the same disgusting anti-American, anti-minority, anti-lgtbq, anti-Semitic hate as those fucking shit bags that attacked the capital and attempted to stop the peaceful transfer of power and install their own dick-tater as President?
I'm curious, do all the conservatives here think that no one was upset about January 6th and no one considered it an insurrection by Trump supporters till after the January 6th committee had its hearings? All the January 6th committee did was put into context what we already knew by primarily showing the conversations those around Trump were having and their attempt to get Trump to stop what was clearly a violent attack on the capital. No one was asking him to go down to the capital to take over the tour for Captain dipshit with the horns, yet that's what Tucker seems to want his gullible flock to believe. Fucking morons.
While at first it is pretty funny watching the poorly educated right wing conservative Trump sluts wallow in a new false narrative as they desperately try to diminish any responsibility for the attack on the capital, after a while it just gets sad.
Your problem is you are going by one release program. Calm down. There is much more to come.
You think Carlson actually has something of significance lurking?
Hard to imagine how any surveillance video is going to exonerate Trump from the allegations made by the Jan 6th committee. It is not as though anyone with a brain is unable to see that Trump lied repeatedly and often (and still does) about a rigged election and tried to use the power of the presidency to get others to engage in unconstitutional acts.
Do you think Carlson will show that Trump actually did attempt to stop the insurrection prior to his 3-hour-late "we love you" request to go in peace? Or that he really did not try to get Speaker Bowers to submit alternate electors? Or that he really did not try to get Pence to table certified electoral college results? ETC.
Really? Will any of it refute what I watched with my own eyes that day? Will there be a zoomed in close up of the MAGA nuts beating an officer with a flag pole that shows them actually trying to protect the officer from some ANTIFA disruptors apparently wearing cloaking devices?
All any of the rest of the footage will show, as I've said before, are disparate hallways and corners of the capital that either had no action, shots of the insurrectionists sometimes calmly walking around after already having passed through the broken doors and windows and police barricades. Does this make them any less guilty? Does it make it any less of an attempt to stop a constitutionally mandated peaceful transfer of power thus by definition making it an attempted insurrection? Of course not.
I am not "more than willing to accept the Jan 6 committee's release of select videos", the January 6th committee release didn't really tell me anything I didn't already know, it merely confirmed many facts such as not only the Presidents dereliction of duty in doing nothing to stop it but his incitement then clear intention to let it play out to see if they succeed and got the fake electors and Pence to certify him as President instead. And there is nothing in the Tucker tapes which will disprove all those accounts given by mostly Republican Whitehouse staff.
lol .... The truest characters of ignorance are vanity and pride and arrogance. Three traits not in short supply for you based on your work here.
Just because some poorly educated conservatives with little to no reading comprehension think someone else's comments are ignorant, vain or prideful doesn't mean they actually are. It's like having the middle school drop out WWE fan with CTE who spends his days jumping off his roof onto folding tables reviewing and grading a college paper on quantum physics. Would you trust his impression and final grade of the paper? I certainly wouldn't.
Shouldn't you be attributing that Samuel Butler ? Otherwise it's plagiarism.
Superb analogy !
Yawn, sounds like it applies to you as well.
If I had a nickel for every time a liberal told us they are smarter than a conservative, I’d be much, much richer. Instead, they tend to drone on and on about how much smarter they are.
I wonder who they are trying to convince. Pretty funny really.
Didn’t think Sam would care but you better report it then. That will help your cause if it disappears.
“…it's plagiarism.”
….the laziest of character traits.
It has nothing to do with whether one is intelligent or not, conservatives are no less intelligent than any liberals or progressives. The difference comes in actual education and exposure to facts, researched information and a wide base of knowledge that isn't very accessible without seeking out that knowledge which, whether conservatives want to admit it or not, mostly resides in the halls of higher learning, our colleges and Universities. I get that some think the bible or their gut is the only education they need, I simply disagree. And regardless of whether that person is smart or not, if they ridicule and avoid any sort of higher education they're almost certainly fucking ignorant.
Again, not saying anyone is smarter or dumber, it's simply the matter of some being willing and even hungry to learn versus those who have decided they already know everything already because either their Pappy or their God said so. I don't want a surgeon operating on me whose education was just Church, peers and his gut, and I'd not want our country run by those folk either regardless of their IQ. I'd certainly choose a surgeon who graduated from medical school with a 105 IQ over a rural backwoods healer with no formal education with an IQ of 140. Wouldn't you?
Sure you are. You said:
Many liberal tools look down at folks that are simply not of like mind. Happens every day here. Looking down their noses at people who don’t goosestep to their narrative. Calling them middle school drop outs, etc. Meanwhile they worship their high school drop out actors and artists. Ridiculous.
Small minded, hateful tools they are. One and all.
Are liberals less respectful than you are?
Sure! /s...
Think you are on the wrong seed. We are talking about education/intellect vs political choice.
That said, respect is earned. Those that haven’t earned it, don’t get it. A basic lesson many here have yet to learn. Sophomoric personal attacks usually aren’t a good start.
You have now probably earned a Meme for a response.
Fine, be as nasty as you want, but do not expect respect...
Respect must be earned!
One can only hope .....
Lol ....
Until entire footage is shared with news stations (Fox has said they are NOT news, they are entertainment), public can't take excerpts seriously.
Laura Ingraham of Fox is on her nightly show right now doubling down on Tucker Carlson's lies. She's probably jealous.
Have not seen it. But from your characterization she has offered nothing that contradicts the testimonies provided by the Republican witnesses on Trump's actions and inaction.
It is really amazing that the people who think Jan 6th was such an all-important event get so bent out of shape when the hidden footage is finally shown, and questions are raised.
Because what they were told to believe as fact has been proven to be fiction. Their narrative is falling apart and they don't know what to do so they are lashing out.
You do not think that Jan 6th was an important event?
Who is "bent out of shape" on this footage? The comments have been that Carlson has offered nothing other than ancillary spin. He has not offered us anything of value yet you, et. al., are jumping all over this as if it were true red meat.
What is the significant revelation by Carlson? Here is something that would have made a difference: audio recording of Trump early in the insurrection broadcast on Capitol speakers urging his supporters to cease and desist.
Who cares about side issues like the degree to which Hawley was a coward?
The narrative was only important to stop Trump.
At this point the truth is now page 4 news.
You may see cases overturned now that we are seeing what the powers that be were hiding from defense lawyers.
Even in a dirty fucking DC Court, you may now find justice.
Thank You Tucker Carlson for taking all the heat & hate!
Vic, you are so outclassed and so out of gas on this topic it is barely worth talking about.
You want people to go over the same facts a hundred times. I told you a little while ago that Pro Publica has a website archive of hundreds of hours of video from Jan 6, all of which contradicts Carlsons phony narrative. Maybe you should watch some of it.
Their arguments are pathetic, but fall under the umbrella of free speech. Everyone has a constitutional right to show they are fools.
Maybe. If they were wronged then I hope that is corrected.
None of that changes the fact that the Capitol building was violently broken and entered by animated Trump supporters seeking to disrupt the workings of Congress because they believed the election was rigged.
Such a shame that you are one of Carlson's loyal followers.
Just what makes you so sure their version isn't a phony narrative? Seems to me it is more in line with the J6 scummittee.
Oh really? Then why are you the one who is sweating?
You want people to go over the same facts a hundred times.
Well John, It is one of your favorite topics
I told you a little while ago that Pro Publica has a website archive of hundreds of hours of video from Jan 6, all of which contradicts Carlsons phony narrative.
You also told me that editing a film to make it appear that onlt Hawley was running is ok and the Biden stutters.
I can think.
What, specifically, is the phony narrative in question?
Do you recognize that a minority of the crowd violently broke and entered the Capitol building with the intention to disrupt the proceedings of Congress because they believed that the election was rigged?
Do you recognize that Trump, knowing of the violence, refused to act for three hours?
What the Committe did was dishonest.
It's too bad you can't see that.
That is very debatable.
Are you entirely unaware of the fact that the Jan 6th presentation did show others running ... and not just Hawley?
Their point was that Hawley helped invigorate the crowd with his fist pump and then wound up running from the crowd later in the day.
This Hawley nonsense is all deflection. Do you think Carlson will ever deliver evidence that exonerates Trump and his cronies from their actions (and Trump's inaction)? Seems to me that he would lead with relevant material rather than these ancillary matters.
i am not responsible for your imagination vic.
your entire Jan 6 argument (fantasy) doesnt have a leg to stand on. This morning the National Review (of all places) excoriated Carlson.
give up.
Of course. When you got nothing you try to make something out of nothing.
You're right. The fantasy put forth by the J6 Shit Show doesn't have a leg to stand on. Why else would Chuck Shithead call on Rupert Murdoch to censor Carlson? (Imagine that Democrats calling on censorship AGAIN)
And that failed. Not even more of the narrative is threatened and they are in panic mode.
Not in what you posted. It only shows Hawley running!
You must have known this day would come?
They lied about so much and now TiG posted a Committee film which is clearly edited only showing Hawley running and TiG tries to tell us it showed others running.
They held total power for 2 years. They just weren't prepared for losing the House or a brave Fox News host, who doesn't like Trump, standing up to them!
I dont believe that anyone anywhere has ever said that Hawley was the only one running from the building on Jan 6.
He was singled out by the committee because he fist pumped the "protesters" earlier in the day.
Big deal.
Now you are reduced to acting like this is some sort of major issue related to the day, the committee, etc.
Its not.
In the same clip it shows Hawley among others running down the stairs. Just attempt to pay attention.
Regardless, do you really think the Jan6th committee was trying to claim that Hawley was the ONLY member of Congress fleeing from the insurrectionists?
Good grief man.
Not down that hallway. Stairs sure.
By that picture he could have been giving it to a little league team.
Do better.
There you go! You saw the Jan 6th committee show Hawley running in the hall and then they showed him among others running down the stairs.
If they were (for whatever stupid reason) truly trying to argue that he was the ONLY one running (they made no such argument) then they would have not included the stairway clip right after the hallway clip.
So you see it. Please help Vic see it.
Uh, Hawley does not deny he fist pumped the "protesters." I'd asked you to do better but I try to live in reality.
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And you provided that where?
Do better.
The only people that are getting bent out of shape seem to be those who were actually there getting angry about an obvious snow job not unlike what Alex Jones tried with Sandy Hook. Tucker and the other liars at Fox News manufactured a new narrative and released a pieced together edited video to try and claim what we ALL fucking saw on January 6th, didn't really happen.
Some twisted dip shits are of course giggling with glee because this plays right into their warped confused fucked up Qanon heads. But anyone with more than half a brain can see this for what it is, a sad useless attempt by Tucker to appeal to brain dead morons who are desperate to shift blame and shirk any responsibility for their fellow conservatives clear attempted insurrection and open display of their secretly desired right wing religious conservative fascism.
Better still who gives a shit if he fist pumped protestors? Prove the protestors he fist pumped were rioters.
Do you have any of him fist pumping the rioters while they were rioting?
How about organizing bail money for them? Or screaming that the DC police need to be defunded? Those are Democrat specialties reserved for their leftist terrorists.
Odd. I don't recall seeing Jacob Chansley being escorted through the capitol until Carlson released it. There's reportedly 40,000 hours of video. Not all of it was aired the day of the protest. So, yes, there is a lot you don't know about that happened.
Do Better.
I don't think they can wrap their tiny minds around the amount of video the didn't see vs. what the J6 Shit Show edited and gave them.
And yet y'all can wrap your minds around the far less that Tucker in his largesse showed you and come to his 'conclusion'. Tucker could convince y'all that Pinocchio carved Giuseppe.
If you don't see the similarities between the new Trumpublican party, their attempted violent insurrection and right wing fascism then you're either turning a blind eye or intentionally trying to obfuscate it. It's clear that those on the right have rejected the what fascism is and tried to redefine it because the actual definition resembles their desired political ideology.
Fascism is a far-right , authoritarian , ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader (all hail Trump!), centralized autocracy , militarism , forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy , subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race , and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Fascism - Wikipedia
January 6th was a display of Trump loyalists attempting to violently overturn a free and fair election and install their own dictator who lost the election as leader. And I doubt very much that the rest of Trumps loyalists, many whom appear here on a regular basis, would have had any problem if they had succeeded and would have likely been defending the successful insurrection and calling anyone who didn't accept Trump as their new President a traitor. So yeah, they're FUCKING fascists.
So? There's apparently 40,000 hours of video so I doubt anyone has watched every minute of it. But how does that change ANY of the footage we did see? What we did see was more than enough to prove what happened that day. Hours of footage of empty hallways or people seemingly walking about not attacking doesn't in any way change the facts that the attacks happened. Just because someone was in the crowd and didn't beat a cop with a flag pole and didn't break down the doors and windows but still followed in those who did make them just as guilty.
If you had a crowd of BLM protestors break down your gate and come onto your private property, which ones do you think you'd have the right to shoot? Just the ones who broke your gate?
Every single one who breached the capital was committing a crime whether they busted the doors or not. And lets not forget what virtually ALL of them were there to do which was to supposedly "Stop The Steal!" aka actively participate in an attempted insurrection and stop the constitutionally mandated transfer of power and install their own leader as President using fake electors, violence, threats and coercion of the Vice President.
You know Hitler lost the election in 1932 winning just 36% of the German vote and didn't become the monster we all now know until a few years later when he road a wave of white racist blue collar Christian German dissatisfaction into power essentially declaring he would "Make Germany Great Again!".
Trump is currently just a wanna be dictator who implored his sycophants to do their best to make his dream come true, but now, no doubt in his mind, sadly failed. But don't worry, he hasn't given up hope yet since he is still being empowered by the masses of poorly educated religious conservatives who have believed his lies.
Lol. The world wide causes of every problem to the modern left. If we are discussing Rwanda, it will be the fault of white racist blue collar Christian. They used to blame to the corporations for easing Hitler's accession to power, now it's the damn blue collar workers. Expecting something different would be like expecting the KKK not to blame blacks for everything. People consumed with hate are the proverbial carpenters who see every problem as a nail.
In a parliamentary system, you don't need 51%. Hindenburg was persuaded to make Hitler the Chancellor in Jan 33 in an attempt to have a governing coalition in the Reichstag. One month later the so-called Reichstag fire was set.
and didn't become the monster we all now know until a few years later
A few years later? In the immediate aftermath of the Reichstag Fire, the Nazi's got Hindenburg to approve the Reichstag Fire Decree. This was the beginning of Hitler's dictatorship. It curtailed civil rights to include freedom of speech and assembly, the police could arbitrarily search houses and arrest people and political parties that were opponents were outlawed. By March, 33,
On 23 March 1933, the Reichstag passed the 'Enabling Act'. This allowed Hitler to enact new laws without interference from the president or Reichstag for a period of four years. By July, all other political parties were banned. Cultural and 'scientific' removal of all things not sufficiently Germain were destroyed.
Germain dissatisfaction was much broader than simple racism. The Great Depression, the Versailles Treaty and reparations, the humiliating defeat in WWI, the instability of the government since the founding of the 1919 republic. Little things like that might have played a role to. The Nazi's were young and the other politicians were old and grey.
He's actually showing that you all were fed a pile of shit and ate all up without question.
It's giving you the FULL videos of what the J6 Shit Show DIDN'T want you to see. Why else would they be in such a panic that Chuck Shithead would call on Carlson being censored?
Still sticking with fiction I see.
No choice, it’s all they got.
It looks like they left him holding the bag again!