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It's Time We Change How We Dialogue

  
By:  thedoctorisinthehouse  •  Politics  •  3 weeks ago  •  67 comments

It's Time We Change How We Dialogue
We are becoming increasingly a society that is so divided by our political affiliations that the long term welfare and success of our nation is in danger

It's time! The political atmosphere is poisonous. People are attacking, killing, and maiming others, not because of war, famine, or pestilence, but because of the political views we hold. We have moved to the point of our politics defining who we will associate with rather than our humanity. We are becoming increasingly a society that is so divided by our political affiliations that the long term welfare and success of our nation is in danger. Repeated mass murder, political insurrection, obstructionism, and hatred of the other are everyday occurrences, rather than rare outrages.

We have to move past this nightmare and find some common ground where there can be productive dialogue. There have to be some areas where the chasm that divides us is not so wide that we can't bridge the gulf. There must be areas that we all can compromise to reach a consensus where we all feel like winners. It is only when the public is engaging in civil discussion that our politicians work toward a national consensus. If the public is at war with one another, our political representatives believe that they represent only those who voted for them. If the public is collegial, our politicians will be collegial. Change must start with us.

It isn't as if this is a novel idea. Most pieces of major legislation have moved forward because politicians on both sides of the aisle moved forward on a more centrist view. They didn't give up their liberal or conservative bona fides, but recognized that neither side had all the answers. They learned that a rising tide floats more ships and both sides found a tide that their ship could float on. That is when we have made national progress.

I will tell the reader that I am unabashedly liberal in my political viewpoints. I have many positions that would make my conservative counterparts have their hair stand on end. I am, however, a pragmatist. I believe that the role of both the left and the right is to debate their positions civilly and try to move the political scale a little more toward their way of thinking. We are a majority centrist nation that wavers from center-right to center-left based on the strength of the proposals from either side. Those discussions should start with us. 

I plan to write on topics of importance to me. I look forward to productive conversations with one another. I want to have civil discussions on difficult issues. I will defend my political view and welcome your defense of your view. It's time that we move toward real discussion without personal invective. Who knows? Maybe we can come to agreement, and maybe, just maybe one of us will be able to convince the other to change their viewpoint. Wouldn't that be a great change of pace?

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
1  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 weeks ago

Very refreshing article. I find it interesting as an independent that a liberal is willing to reach across the aisle in order to have a constructive dialog. Let's see what happens here. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 weeks ago
I find it interesting as an independent that a liberal is willing to reach across the aisle in order to have a constructive dialog.

I think seeing a liberal willing to reach across the aisle isn't anything new, liberals have always had to compromise. We start with the status quo that 'conservatives' are determined to 'conserve'. Liberals, who are willing to try new things and aren't stuck in their ways simply attempt to nibble away at the status quo because they know they can't change everything overnight. All progress that has been made in America since our founding has been due to liberals slowly, methodically, chipping away at the status quo until they can get enough support to make big changes. Nothing would ever change if liberals weren't willing to reach across the aisle.

Sadly, the same cannot be said of their opponents whose methods are simply to dig in their heels, gnash their teeth and attack and vilify anyone who would even attempt to suggest that what they already have, aka the "status quo" is somehow insufficient.

“Liberalism itself has failed, and for a pretty good reason. It has been too often compromised by the people who represented it.” - Hunter S. Thompson

Take the debate over abortion. On one side we have liberals who had to live under laws that made abortion a criminal offense for the first 200 years of our nation. Then they slowly and methodically made the case for the right of women to make that choice between themselves and their doctors up until viability. Most conservatives are unwilling to move a millimeter in their staunch belief that any termination after an egg is fertilized is murder. To this day millions of conservatives continue to hold this belief and are simply unwilling to budge, they will never reach across the aisle and agree to a compromise, perhaps a ban at 12 or 16 weeks instead of viability which has generally ben 22 to 24 weeks.

Conservatives tend to put their faith before reason, thus they are rarely ever willing to compromise. They prefer a singular unwavering master giving orders that match their faith. As Gore Vidal once said, “Ultimately, totalitarianism is the only sort of politics that can truly serve the sky-god's purpose. Any movement of a liberal nature endangers his authority and that of his delegates on earth. One God, one King, one Pope, one master in the factory, one father-leader in the family at home."

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    3 weeks ago

I could compromise on a ban after 16 weeks. I've been pregnant twice and I felt movement right about that time with both of them

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
1.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

The current standard is a compromise. 

Since, on average, fetal thinking occurs even later than fetal lung development, we find  Roe v. Wade  to be a good and prudent decision addressing a complex and difficult issue. With prohibitions on abortion in the last trimester–except in cases of grave medical necessity–it strikes a fair balance between the conflicting claims of freedom and life.

Carl Sagan

Carl Sagan's Thoughts on Abortion • Skeptical Science (skeptical-science.com)
 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
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1.1.3  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

exactly the type of rational starting point that I am talking about.....Dismayed patriot is right about -politics being a series of small movements... we have to find conservatives who are willing to engage in constructive dialogue.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1.4  Sunshine  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
we have to find conservatives who are willing to engage in constructive dialogue.

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cjcold
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1.1.5  cjcold  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
conservatives who are willing to engage in constructive dialogue.

Just another animal that has gone extinct in the age of fossil fuel.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.1.3    3 weeks ago
"...we have to find conservatives who are willing to engage in constructive dialogue."

LOL.  Good luck with that.

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.2  evilgenius  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 weeks ago

Conversation and compromise has given way to purity tests on the extreme wings of either party. 

 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
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1.2.1  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  evilgenius @1.2    3 weeks ago

Do you think that anyone is absolutely liberal or conservative? I think we all have a bit of variability on issues.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

I know I'm not. I can be so conservative on some issues I'm always afraid somebody is gonna yank my liberal card

 
 
 
evilgenius
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1.2.3  evilgenius  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
Do you think that anyone is absolutely liberal or conservative?

I'm a moderate as I've always been, so you're preaching to the choir here. I just think we are stuck in a period where populism is often driving the narrative. It's become this game of control and not about what ideals a party really stands for. 

I think we all have a bit of variability on issues.

I think Agent K in the movie Men In Black said it best - A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals. 

Populism is group think and in this age it's group think gone off the deep end. In 1892 populism spawned the People's Party and made great pushes for direct democracy. It worked. Today we have Trumpism where I'm reading articles - now that Sidney Powell is using a legal defense that walks back claims on voting fraud she's being hammered by those who claimed to be her friends. Couple this with ultra-liberal cancel culture and we have big issues where no one wants to listen and they have choices to only listen to voices that they agree with (in social media and internet bubbles). 

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.2.4  cjcold  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Marched against Nam back in the 60's and now own and customize an AR-15.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     3 weeks ago

Welcome and as a fellow independent pragmatic minded person I wish you well here. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

In general I agree with the idea that political progress is based on compromise. 

However,  four or five years of Trumpism has brought us to a different place. And he's not done yet. It is utter wishful thinking to believe there will be compromise as long as this plague on our country is still in existence. 

 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
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3.1  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  JohnRussell @3    3 weeks ago

What we can hope for is that the traditional wing of the Republican party increases their strength. Groups such as the Liberty coalition and the various groups of suburbanites should give people some hope. It is important to have a viable and vibrant two party system so that policy can be discussed and new or current policy can be moved forward.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

I look at the growing of that divide with perhaps a little more objectivity than an American and my experience, although limited, starts back with Franklin Delano Roosevelt.  That was back at the time when the media photographers lowered their cameras and refused to photograph FDR when he fell on the ramp exiting an airplane up to the present time when the media photographers not only relished the opportunity to photograph Biden stumbling on the ramp but the media made sure it became world-wide knowledge.  I mean back at the time when the headline "Dewey Defeats Truman" was about the only fake news we ever saw.  Such a change in humanity, so you have quite a task in front of you, as you will soon see from reviewing the articles and comments here. 

When I was the Editor-in-Chief of my university newspaper in the late 1950s our model was The Christian Science Monitor not only because of its format and style of reporting, but because it over and over again won the award for being the most unbiased national medium, but that award is no longer awarded because it would be a travesty to do so, even to the medium the Christian Science Monitor has become.  There have been times I have tried to tell "the other side of the story" here, but how many times do I want to get smacked down?  I commend you, "doc", for what you are going to attempt, and wish you the best of luck, you'll sure as hell need it. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4    3 weeks ago
"We are becoming increasingly a society that is so divided by our political affiliations that the long term welfare and success of our nation is in danger."
Divide and conquer - America doesn't even need another nation to do what America is doing to itself - national suicide.
 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    3 weeks ago
national suicide.

So true Buzz and sadly few here realize WTF we are doing to this county and ourselves. 

YET

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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5  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)    3 weeks ago

There's many reasons why I post things like, "What's your favorite vehicle," "What's your favorite smells...", things about types of homes, types of music, the stresses of home improvements, guns [while yes, it's a controversial topic, it went rather well], etc., but avoiding political related discussions is one of the main reasons.

I don't claim to affiliate with any political party and while some make assumptions, those assumptions do not represent the truth. When the first batch of comments mention political affiliations, it's pretty obvious that it's difficult for some to look beyond those things and try to connect in other ways. Many people know me pretty well here, I think, and those people also know that I mean no offense by the previous statement. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Veronica
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6  Veronica    3 weeks ago

I have been thinking this way for quite some time.  Good article.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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7  JaneDoe    3 weeks ago

320

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.1  Sunshine  replied to  JaneDoe @7    3 weeks ago

Very well said!

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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8  r.t..b...    3 weeks ago

A generational shift is required. This generation of leaders are entrenched in their demagoguery and have shown no ability to govern, much less a willingness. 

It will take a new brand of leadership, willing to speak to the majority in the middle and diffuse the lunatic fringes. 

Certainly not a quick fix and no easy remedies, but we are currently paralyzed by the cancerous dysfunction. Here’s hoping it is not malignant. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  r.t..b... @8    3 weeks ago

I think there is some truth and accuracy in your opinion, but I would add that the "new generation" is arriving with complete adherence to the influence of social media, 24/7 news, internet falsehoods, etc.  It is going to be much harder in the future to reach strong consensus about anything. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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8.1.1  r.t..b...  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    3 weeks ago

But perhaps that could be a good thing...after all, information is power.

We are in our infancy in how to process the tsunami of information, and as this digital generation takes over from the analog, we can only hope that they also understand the importance of filtering the ‘chaff from the wheat’.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  r.t..b... @8    3 weeks ago
It will take a new brand of leadership

So True and who elects those leaders ? 

Mostly people who vote straight party line no matter who is on the ticket. Over and Over ! 

That sadly I don't see stopping. 

We ourself have created our own mess and very few are willing to do a damn thing about it. So many just keep voting straight party line and That is how bad politicians get power over us. 

Sad !

After I get my absentee ballot it takes me hours to research the many candidates for the many offices. many hours and I take breaks Other than me I know of no one else that votes like that, everyone I know votes straight party line one way or the other. consistently no matter what. 

and America suffers and doesn't get any better. back and forth we go. 

Your choice folks. We have the government you deserve as far as I'm concerned.   

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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8.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2    3 weeks ago

The two-party system, as it has devolved, only serves to maintain a power structure that only maintains the dysfunction.        

Totally comfortable in the ‘let’s take turns in holding power and blaming those who came before us’ mentality...totally comfortable in the weakness that that behavior upholds. 

Having two sons, both politically active and both aware that something needs to change, and understanding their disgust with the hypocrisy they daily see, gives their old man hope we can one day move forward. 

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.2  JaneDoe  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2    3 weeks ago
it takes me hours to research the many candidates for the many offices. 

I do the same thing, right down to local elections, including school board positions. I think it’s only fair to know something about who you are putting into any elected office. I have never voted for a party. I vote for individuals who I believe will best fill the position. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.2    3 weeks ago

Thank you for telling me Jane, I've really never heard of anyone else voting like that. Its f-ing time consuming and a chore but IMO: the only realistic way. 

Like you I want to know WHO I'm giving power to over me. Why others don't seem to care or recognize WTF they are doing sadnes me. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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8.2.4  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.3    3 weeks ago

You and Jane aren't the only ones. The problem I run into is when there's not an option of someone I actually want to vote for in the election, no matter the type.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.5  JaneDoe  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.3    3 weeks ago
Why others don't seem to care or recognize WTF they are doing sadnes me. 

Well, just like you said in your first post. They are voting for their party. There are a lot of people who really believe that everything their party does is right and everything the other party does is wrong. IMO that is just ridiculous because as we all know, nobody ( or party ) is perfect

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.6  JaneDoe  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @8.2.4    3 weeks ago

Sometimes the Pickens are slim.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.6    3 weeks ago

When it comes to politics and elections, I sure miss newspapers.

Sometimes researching candidates boils down to Facebook or some other social media I don't want to join.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.8  JaneDoe  replied to  Split Personality @8.2.7    3 weeks ago

I do very little social media. Facebook ( to keep up with my numerous nieces and nephews) this site and a few other forums that I don’t really frequent.  I have never bothered with the other crap. 

 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
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8.2.9  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.6    3 weeks ago

A lot of that rests with the devolution of the principle of citizen governance as espoused by many of our founding fathers. Have a real job......sacrifice and be elected to govern for a period of time......then go back to your real job.....Don't make politics your lifetime profession

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.10  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @8.2.4    3 weeks ago
The problem I run into is

funny I think we all have that problem. 

Many times

IMO: With the choices we actually have many times Unfortunately you are so right, sadly it is a choice of which candidate is Probably worse or better. 

I know I've seen some real A-holes on both sides in my day. And a few really good people as well that I thought DID deserve to be there. Thankfully

Good to hear there are others that take voting responsibly as well, do the research and vote for the person not the party. 

That's how WE get GOOD people elected !  jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.11  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.5    3 weeks ago
There are a lot of people who really believe that everything their party does is right

True and as I'm sure you understand that is How bad politicians gain power over us. 

To think that EVERY person who runs for office from either side is a good person who even has their interest in mind is foolhardy as far as I'm concerned. 

Lots of trust in your fellow human there. sadly cause as we ALL know not every politician should be. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  r.t..b... @8.2.1    3 weeks ago
Having two sons, both politically active and both aware that something needs to change, and understanding their disgust with the hypocrisy they daily see, gives their old man hope we can one day move forward. 

Great to hear r.t.b, The youth is where I hold the most hope. 

Many of the young people today have been living in our messed up world and actually see WTF we have and are still doing wrong, like being at each other's throats to the point of nothing getting done, especially correctly and or on the first try. 

These "kids" have grown up in a different world where science, facts, figures and reality have been in their face and lifes much more than generations before thru technology. They have also grown up in a more inclusive racially time. All of that will help.  

Today's world like before is a young man's game. 

For instance. I'm 63 I don't use doctors any older than about 45 because I know and have seen first hand what the new technology can and does do to prolong and benefit health and life.

I made the mistake years ago of sticking with an older dr that didn't have the new training and or ways and I paid for it. Physically ...No more. 

I helped take care of my mom in her final years and saw the difference there as well. Burnout for old drs seems to be a bit of a problem sometimes too. 

Sorry, Anyway It's nice to hear your adult children are interested in cleaning up the mess we are handing them,  jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Tell em, Thanks !! 

If I were in their shoes, I'd probably just be be pissed !

 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.13  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Split Personality @8.2.7    3 weeks ago
When it comes to politics and elections, I sure miss newspapers

Me too !!

These days I use a couple of "Research your candidate" sites I particularly like this one as it shows how the candidates have voted in the past.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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8.2.14  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.12    3 weeks ago
For instance. I'm 63 I don't use doctors any older than about 45 because I know and have seen first hand what the new technology can and does do to prolong and benefit health and life. I made the mistake years ago of sticking with an older dr that didn't have the new training and or ways and I paid for it. Physically ...No more. 

My stepdad lost half a leg because of "old school" doctor thinking. After all the issues he dealt with regarding this "old school" doc., he started seeing a really young internist that helped him get back to health.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.15  JaneDoe  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @8.2.9    3 weeks ago

I agree. I would love to see term limits. IMO, the longer they serve the more corrupt some seem to become.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.16  Ender  replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.15    3 weeks ago

I may be in the minority yet I see drawbacks with that.

Get them all out and have a deep rotation.

Then I think we actually could have a deep state as the people working in government will have their jobs and running things while we cycle through reps. By the time they learn the ropes they would be out.

Though I will say I think 12 years in the senate is more than enough.

 
 
 
Ender
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8.2.17  Ender  replied to  Ender @8.2.16    3 weeks ago

I also think cycling through the house every two years is ridiculous.

I would change that to a four year term.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.2.18  JaneDoe  replied to  Ender @8.2.16    3 weeks ago

I understand your point. Maybe 12 years is a good cut off. The folks that have been around for 20-30 years or more are IMO the biggest problem.
They have become empowered, stubborn, developed personal grudges and seem to work against each other rather than for us. Again, just my opinion.
I have just grown tired of the merry go round and I really would like to see more compromise. If they could do that, as most adults can, we would at least have decisions made that last and aren’t immediately undone the minute a new administration takes control.

A girl can dream, right? 

 
 
 
Ender
PhD Principal
8.2.19  Ender  replied to  JaneDoe @8.2.18    3 weeks ago

More fun and can keep power by pitting us against each other.

 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
Freshman Guide
8.3  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  r.t..b... @8    3 weeks ago

Unfortunately we have been cyclical in the type of people we elect to represent us. Right now, our legislative leadership are frequently cowards. Their only driving star is being re-elected. They worry only about the "base". Some may be right, but in most cases, there are more people who will vote for people who express political conviction and honesty than those that are no more than snake oil salespersons. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Principal
9  Hal A. Lujah    3 weeks ago

An earth-ending asteroid could be detected one year out, and it wouldn’t change the tenor of dialogue between the left and right that exists right now.  Democrats would rightly propose spending every penny possible on a solution to intercept our impending doom, and Republicans would spend their final year railing against such reckless spending, science, and the absence of god in our society.  How do you have a conversation with that?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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10  Snuffy    3 weeks ago

Reading thru this, it's obvious to me that this is the wrong group to have this discussion.  The seed even states "We need to move" but you can see that most everybody in this seed is still locked into their partisan side and all too willing to cast the blame to the other side. Until people stop waiting for the other side to change there is no hope for moving beyond this.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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10.1  JaneDoe  replied to  Snuffy @10    3 weeks ago
"We need to move" but you can see that most everybody in this seed is still locked into their partisan side and all too willing to cast the blame to the other side.

Sad and true. So round and round we go! 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Snuffy @10    3 weeks ago

So many people just want it to be forgotten that the Republican Party and the right wing of American politics inflicted Donald Trump on us. He was a game show host for god's sake, and they wanted him to be president of the United States. Not only was he a game show host, he was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. And yet for the sake of "compromise" we are supposed to forget all that, plus forget he tried to bribe the president of a foreign country to help him discredit his election opponent, forget that he totally downplayed a disease that has killed a half a million Americans, and forget the 30000 lies while in office. When conservatives and Republicans ALL denounce Trump and Trumpism, then we can talk about compromise. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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10.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2    3 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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10.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @10.2.1    3 weeks ago

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Greg Jones
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10.2.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2    3 weeks ago

Removed for context

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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10.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  JohnRussell @10.2    3 weeks ago

SOME game show hosts might have done a good job as POTUS.  I would venture that Monty Hall or Alex Trebek would have done one hell of a better job at it than the EX-POTUS.  However, they were both Canadians, so that figures.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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10.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Snuffy @10    3 weeks ago

It’s more obvious to me that such a discussion is an exercise in futility.  It is incumbent on one’s peers to talk some sense into them before expecting their adversaries to manage a conversation with them.  There are plenty of conservatives who are worth listening to - unfortunately they’re the ones who have left the Republican Party over its spiraling decline into the party of putrid politics.  The ones that remain are so distasteful that their former peers cannot even tolerate them.

 
 
 
thedoctorisinthehouse
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10.3.1  author  thedoctorisinthehouse  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @10.3    3 weeks ago

Ultimately, the exodus from the Republican party is a major problem. There are many people out there that would be willing to either come back to Republicanism in its' classic form or start a new political party. I, personally would like to see a strong truly Republican party and not a splintering. Splintered parties fade from the public eye. They actually hurt the democratic process.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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10.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  thedoctorisinthehouse @10.3.1    3 weeks ago

The pieces are even being picked up...the Republicans will do very well in the midterms

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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10.3.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Greg Jones @10.3.2    3 weeks ago
the Republicans will do very well in the midterms

Under whose "terms" the republicans or trump's ? 

If its the republicans returning .. Good. If it's more trump followers I'm of the opinion America can do without almost all of that pretty much a cult following just fine.

IMO: Mr trump needs HIS own country. Mine isn't available.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @10.3.3    3 weeks ago

With the money that he has been and will continue to be sucking out of the ignoramuses who support filthy-rich Evangelical TV Ministers and himself he could buy an island and call it Trumpland. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
10.3.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.3.4    3 weeks ago
Trumpland. 

That's probably true Buzz.

But unless it came with many subjects to kneel down and kiss his ass I doubt he'd be interested. Even if it was flat out just given to him. 

But perhaps trump and his cult could do as Jim Jones did ! 

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.3.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @10.3.5    3 weeks ago
"But perhaps trump and his cult could do as Jim Jones did ! "

And end up the same way?

Now that you brought that up, I can see the same effect that Trump has on his loyal sheep as Jim Jones and Charlie Manson had on their followers.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
10.3.7  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.3.6    3 weeks ago
And end up the same way?

Their choice Buzz, it's a free country. If someone chooses to follow a leader to death that IMO: Is one's own decision, One I'm not likely to make though. 

And yes I've always seen the similarities a cult is a cult.

cult,  

Noun:

system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object, a misplaced or excessive admiration for a particular person or thing.
synonyms:
obsession with · fixation on · mania for · passion for · idolization of · admiration for · devotion to · worship of · veneration of · reverence for

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loyalty to a leader above anything else including truth and reality.
                                               Cult 
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.3.8  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @10.3.7    3 weeks ago

A perfect description.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
10.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.3.4    3 weeks ago
With the money that he has been and will continue to be sucking out of the ignoramuses who support filthy-rich Evangelical TV Ministers and himself he could buy an island and call it Trumpland. 

Fine by me!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
10.3.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Trout Giggles @10.3.9    3 weeks ago

Remember, he DID want to buy Greenland.  It comes with a built-in population, and due to global warming Greenland has great future potential.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
11  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

Hello,

My feelings are is that we do not look at the big picture and we should concentrate on what would be best for the country as a whole. Some of the decisions are too hasty and they aim to please their party and not what is best for all. Sometimes you have to step back and take a look and think about the consequences down the road. Especially the financial end of it and the health part of it. No one should be pushed into making a decision or be a bully about it either. I am not a fan of the media either. I prefer a very intelligent person that looks at things that will make all our lives better and safer. We need a strong leader that will look out for our citizens. I don’t mind helping other countries, but I think we should take care of the issues we have first in our country. Too many families that are struggling and even some that have no homes. We have seniors and children that need help. I will also defend my political views and keep an open mind to other views.  I am a American and I happen to love my country and I want what is best for us all. 

I lean conservative, so I hope this was constructive enough for you.