President Biden Does Not Hold Back On Trump, Delivers Powerful Speech On Anniversary Of Jan. 6th: "He's Not Just The Former President, He's A Defeated President"
By: PoliTribune (Political Tribune)
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
President Joe Biden offered some remarks on Thursday on the first anniversary of when a mob of Trump supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol to stop the peaceful transition of power. Biden tore into Trump without mentioning his name, and I'm pretty sure his predecessor is suffering from a narcissistic injury after listening to that powerful speech.
"For the first time in our history, a president had not just lost an election. He tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a violent mob reached the Capitol," Biden said in a speech from the Capitol. "But they failed. They failed. And on this day of remembrance, we must make sure that such an attack never, never happens again."
"His bruised ego matters more to him than our democracy or our Constitution. He can't accept he lost," he continued.
Biden went on to praise the police officers who defended the Capitol.
"One year ago today in this sacred place, democracy was attacked — simply attacked. The will of the people was under assault, the Constitution — our Constitution — faced the gravest of threats," the President said. "Outnumbered in the face of a brutal attack, the Capitol Police, the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department, the National Guard, and other brave law enforcement officials saved the rule of law. Our democracy held. We the people endured. We the people prevailed."
He took several shots at Trump.
Biden said as the attack unfolded, former President Donald Trump, "who had just rallied the mob," was "watching it all on television, and doing nothing for hours as police were assaulted."
He said that Trump's "supporters are trying to rewrite history" and say that Election Day 2020 was the real insurrection. "Can you think of a more twisted way to look at this country? To look at America?" he said.
"He's not just a former president, he's a defeated former president," Biden said. "Defeated by a margin of over seven million of your votes."
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Biden on Trump: "He's not just a former president, he's a defeated former president. Defeated by a margin of over 7 million of your votes."#January6thpic.twitter.com/yfK5Ouq4xl
— Michael Gravesande (@OldBlackHack) January 6, 2022
President Biden straight-up called Trump a liar, and a man that's incapable of accepting defeat. That was probably the most powerful speech that Biden has ever given in his career.
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For those of you who don't believe the Capitol Police were in any danger please google or whatever search engine you use to look up interviews with them. I saw an interview this morning on ABC and it really showed what those men went through
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The CP were, IMO, far to lenient and restrained when dealing with the insurrectionist mob.
Agreed, but they were also far too outnumbered and unprepared.
You mean the "mostly peaceful protest"
No, the violent insurrectionist mob.
The tourists.....
Tomato, toma-toe
I think gooseisback was being sarcastic...
Sometimes I wonder.
I don't think so. Sadly, he's serious .
Old news - time to move on - he's been outta office for over a year, and there are much more serious things to bring up and discuss.
You don't get to decide what I seed. You could have just moved on yourself instead of dropping your little nugget of no value
"Old news - time to move on - he's been outta office for over a year, and there are much more serious things to bring up and discuss."
Definitely not old news.
Won't move on until this big fat pig and those who planned and incited this along with him - see some justice.
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You're the one spamming that comment on different articles. Time for you to move on.
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It was a great speech. Trump must be fuming that he got totally served.
Whatshisname was ranting against Hannity not too long ago for the texts he sent on that day and leading up to it, now that Hannity and other Faux 'news' 'journalists' are being questioned about all their texts that day and leading up to it
Boom shakalaka, President Biden.
Its about time.
Welcome back
Agreed. Biden has been too long quiet about an incident that should have infuriated every patriotic American.
What was he to do in Mr. Biden's mind. Go on TV and tell them to stop? I doubt any of the rioters had their smartphones tuned in to a television station.
Go to the Capital? Don't think the Secret Service would have let that happen.
Once they started, I guess he could have tweeted. But with the violence going on, who would be looking at Twitter?
Deploy the National Guard? I thought Ms. Pelosi was in charge of the Capital Police and could have requested that at any time.
Glad no more shit hit the fan than did. Glad no more life was lost. But one has to wonder, what could have been done once it started rolling. The preparation lacked ANY sense of urgency even with warning we found out about after the fact, that they had.
People had their phones that day. They were taking selfies. I imagine that maybe a handful might have had their phones set on Twitter to await instructions...but I have an active imagination
Awaiting instructions? Good one LOL I actually did laugh out loud on that one.
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And that's a threat to.......
why don't you keep reading other comments before you earn yourself another deletion.
I imagine that maybe a handful might have had their phones set on Twitter to await instructions
I imagine that the next few dirtbags in the queue behind Babbitt were saying “hey, the encrypted email said they wouldn’t use guns!”.
But do any of those morons know how too encrypt emails?
Ted Cruz taught them.
Bullshit.
What's bullshit?
Yes!!! That is what Hannity was begging him to do. That is what Ivanka was begging him to do. That is what Jim Jordan was begging him to do.
What did he do? Hours later he went on television and told the insurrectionists that he loved them.
And, in his position of CiC, he should immediately find out where the national guard was to assist Capitol Police.
Which is why nobody has ever suggested that.
Seriously? Many of them were caught by the FBI because they were Tweeting about breaking into the Capitol! So a shit load of those shit heads would have been looking.
Another false claim.
Hmmm, what did they do with the peaceful BLM march???
and most of those after the fact by posting video on Twitter and Facebook which got them caught
Anyone with a phone? Anyone who followed Trump on Twitter who would be notified about his TV address? His followers lived off of his Twitter feed, as soon as he made the address it would have been carried onto his feed for all to see.
You mean all those live streaming and taking selfies at the Capitol and immediately posting them? It's like you haven't read anything on how these idiots have been identified.
Also it was not an attempt to reach each and every one of them, just enough to start spreading the news that their "holy one" has asked that they stop and leave the Capitol Building.
Many were live streaming. Good grief!
They were weren't they?
Here's one who did. Coincidentally, she is serving her prison sentence at this very moment.
WATCH: Texas Woman Who Called for ‘Going to War,’ Live-Streamed Storming Capitol Pleads for Mercy from Trump: ‘I Think We All Deserve a Pardon’
And here is a shot of Jenna and her friends entering the Capitol Building. There are very few faces without a phone in front of it.
That's Ms. Ryan in the center wearing the Trump hat.
Jailed Capitol-riot defendant blasts Trump for canceling his January 6 press conference, saying he abandoned his supporters
Trump canceled a scheduled press conference to mark the first anniversary of the Capitol riot.
A jailed Capitol-riot defendant said he was disappointed in the decision and felt abandoned.
Edward Jacob Lang is awaiting trial in a Washington, DC, jail after he assaulted a police officer.
A jailed Capitol-riot defendant said he was disappointed in Donald Trump for canceling his January 6 press conference and suggested that the former president had abandoned his supporters.
"There should be a hundred thousand people in DC tomorrow at the very minimum," Edward Jacob Lang, 26, told " The Stew Peters Show " in a Wednesday phone interview from jail. He continued, "I am so disappointed with Trump and with the American people at large that just do not get behind the January 6 political prisoners."
"I feel like I've been completely abandoned by the political hierarchy here. Where are our leaders standing up, our congressmen, our senators, our president?" he said. "President Trump, where are you?"
Lang then addressed Trump directly, saying: "January 6 you better do a press conference, man. We are rotting in jail because we stood up for what you told us to stand up for."
Lang, from New York, has been charged with 11 counts, including assaulting a police officer with a bat and a protective shield, court documents said.
He is among dozens of Capitol-riot defendants facing the most serious accusations relating to the insurrection, and who are awaiting trial in the Central Detention Facility in Washington, DC.
Oh, that poor, poor man...LOL!
Political prisoners? That's a new one. They're criminals
Certain posters are claiming that these morons haven't gotten their due process.
Uh...I think they did. I recall hearing something about hearings...trials...verdicts...sentences....
Did this fool honestly think Donald John Trump was going to help him? Dude needs to lay off the party pharmaceuticals. (Pun not intended...or maybe it was.... because that was dang funny.)
It was funny
A jailed Capitol-riot defendant said he was disappointed in the decision and felt abandoned.
Dry your tears magat. Your cell mate and his friends will console you as you pick up the soap.
We know that they did. Not those living in alternate realities.
SPEAKING OF FAIL!
Some folks never seem to tire of having their ass handed to them time and time again.
They got more than they were planning for Pence and Pelosi.
Are we really living in such complete delusion that somebody thinks that might have helped?
It would have been better for Trump if he had attempted to stop the insurrection and not let it fester for hours. If the facts do hold that he watched it on TV for hours (much less cheering for 'his people') before finally making a public statement, that it not going to play well if this comes to trial.
From what I have observed of Trump, I am inclined to believe the above more likely to be true than false.
Not only did he watch for 3 hours, he rewound the footage to watch it over and over while most likely grabbing his crotch.
LOL! I love you, Paula. You have no filter
Better how? It isn't going to matter to him personally one way or another.
It won't come to trial. Trial plays into Trump's hands.
This entire exercise is a transparent pile of nonsense whose sole aim is political gain for Democrats. If they go to trial, they'll lose embarrassingly and Trump will claim yet another victory.
The more likely event is that they'll drag this out and use it to air dirty laundry throughout this campaign year in an attempt to limit midterm damage. Then when they lose the House, the entire thing will evaporate and they'll be able to whine about Republicans defending Trump.
Letting this fester for hours without taking any action indicates that Trump wanted it to continue. Had he quickly taken action to cease the hostility (regardless of whether or not he could actually stop it) he would have support for a claim that this was not what he wanted to happen.
Depends on the nature of the trial, the exact charges, the persuasiveness of the evidence, the skill of the attorneys, the disposition of the judge, etc. I do not take much stock in predicting the outcome of a trial with so many unknowns on the table.
They will certainly do that. But that does not obviate a trial.
The midterm loss is almost predictable regardless of factors like this. And an R who defends Trump's Big Lie con-job deserves to be criticized for said defense.
Take it from the 'Shaman' himself, it DID make a difference.
I think you want to be careful about drawing that conclusion on Trump given the failure to take action against rioters in so many other parts of the country.
Again, what difference does it make to him?
A trial is a no-win situation for Democrats. When they lose, they've failed to enforce any action against Trump....for the fourth time.
If by some miracle they "win", it's the biggest pyrrhic victory in American history, as they open the door for criminal charges against local Democrats who did nothing to stop the riots in the summer of 2020. That's going to be a never-ending train of charges filed against a long list of officials, running well through the next presidential election and reinforcing Republican accusations that Democrats are soft on crime and coddle domestic terrorists.
There is not a chance they will allow that to happen.
The actions by others are irrelevant to what I noted about Trump. If Trump actually did knowingly allow this to fester then it matters not what others elsewhere do.
My answer is the same as the last time you asked me.
You have already made that claim. I understand your position.
We can go around in circles on this, but let's not.
Maybe he doesn't realize that Tump has a cellphone?
I think you should be careful equating the duties of Mayors to the duties of the POTUS. It's a false equivalency.
Thanks for at least acknowledging Trump's narcissism and the fact that y'all accept it as a given.
Now that Trump no longer has the DOJ to protect him, all the shit hitting the wall will start to stick.
Just keep on hammering away at that false equivalency Jack. It's all you've got.
You seem to think that the POTUS has no more responsibility than your local Mayor or DA. It's a ridiculous posit. I suggest that you READ the Constitution.
You have GOT to be kidding!
Seriously, the GOP and almost all of the RW here on NT support the insurrectionists.
The insurrectionists terrorized those in the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2020. There is no cogent argument to refute that fact.
I can't count how many times I have read comment stating that there couldn't have been an insurrection because none of them have been charged with insurrection.
One can't make or support that posit without acknowledging that conversely, there couldn't have been any 'domestic terrorists' since NONE of the 2020 protestors were charged with 'domestic terrorism'. Unless of course you're a hypocrite.
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Problem is, if something does go to trial, then Trump will be allowed for discovery, where the actions of Pelosi, her emails, the emails of the capital police chief, and pretty much everyone else directly and indirectly involved somehow in that day will come to light.
Pelosi and her minions are fighting hard to not have these items released now. Why? Perhaps she has something she is hiding?
More than likely....yes.
How about naming those you think supported the riots.
My guess, and I'm usually correct, is that you are wrong, and that absolutely no one from the right supported the riot, and pretty much everyone on here has criticized them as being wrong.
However, we cannot say the same about you and yours when it came to the true riots of the summer of 2020
We will not get any details unless it goes to trial. Speculation is not that interesting.
You're right we probably won't, unless a good American within the know leaks some of these things.
One can only hope.
READ those two lines S L O W L Y bugsy.
Can you see the difference?
Here, maybe I can help.
Insurrectionists are PEOPLE.
Riots are THINGS.
Your comment is not only a false equivalency, but also a strawman.
Quite an unusual twofer.
OK I will play your silly word games....
You made a claim that most right wingers on here supported the "INSURRECTION" of Jan 6.
Now, name those people and put up the posts of those your imagination told you that those people supported the "insurrection".
My guess is the silence will ensue....loudly
You're the one playing word games bugsy. You block quoted my comment yet still misrepresented what I said. It's become the MO on the right of late.
Again, that is a strawman.
I find it hilarious that you capitalized AND put it in quotation marks yet still got it wrong.
I got nothing wrong, Dulay.
There was NO insurrection, only in the imagination of the loons on the left.
Now, let's get past your silly claim of an insurrection and get back to the original request, of which I believe won't be answered.
Name the right wing on here that supported your little "insurrection" and post the comments these posters made that prove your claim.
Like normal when you are confronted with facts, I am sure the silence will ensue.
Like normal, when confronted with the FACT that you posted a strawman, you double down.
Of course it's true. He watched it unfold for almost three hours.
For the 1000th time... Dulay said insurrectionists....which some on here did. They didn't think any crimes had been committed and to this day still claim that Ashli Bobbitt was murdered by a CP police officer.
Add to that it's been claimed here that those who are being held for their crimes are actually political prisoners and that treating them like anyone else being held pre-trial is abusive.
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And I replied to him using the word INSURRECTIONISTS. Maybe you can name those that "supported" your little "INSURRECTION".
My guess is you can't either.
As far as Ashli Bobitt, I never mentioned her name. Saying she was murdered by a cop has nothing to do with Dulay, and I guess you now, claiming there were those on the right here that supported your little "insurrection".
Don't lie. You never used the word insurrectionists only insurrection.
They were learning all kinds of info via their cell phones. Why do you think that the violence began winding down 5 minutes after Trump released a video statement that said, "We love you and appreciate you, but it's time to go home now,"?
Even Trump's children tried to get him to make a statement to end the violence, but their words were ignored.
I got laughed at for suggesting that they were "awaiting instructions". Well, they kinda were, weren't they?
It's looking more and more like "your suggestion" was on the nose.
Not all the insurrectionists, and no comment on who they may have waiting for instructions from, but evidence is slowly coming to light that SOME of it may have been pre-planned, and certain Congressmen may have been a part of it.
Remember the unauthorized tours given the day before to some of the identified insurrectionists.....
And I still got a troll on my heels
I've been saying this all along but like TG, I believe I've been 'laughed at' for this also.
I wasn't laughing at you. I was laughing WITH you, I thought, with your final statement.
"but I have an active imagination"
Damn.
I didn't say it was you.
The actual assault started with too much gusto to assume it was a case of, "Hey, let's try this and see what happens...".
I think someone issued the initial "CHARGE!" command, and hours later, Trump issued the "I love you but stop because I heard Ivanka is really mad at me," command.
Well unless Jeremy did in his deleted comment, I was the only one I saw after you stated the "awaiting instructions" thing that provided a laugh. Sorry guess I was wrong.
Stephanie Grisham says Trump was 'gleefully watching' the January 6 riot on TV and 'hitting rewind'
Stephanie Grisham said that Trump was "gleefully watching" the January 6 insurrection on television.
Her comments come on the first anniversary of January 6.
Grisham served as White House press secretary and former first lady Melania Trump's chief of staff.
Former White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said on Thursday that former President Donald Trump "gleefully" watched his supporters violently storm the Capitol on January 6.
"All I know about that day was that he was in the dining room, gleefully watching on his TV as he often did, 'look at all of the people fighting for me,' hitting rewind, watching it again — that's what I know," Grisham told CNN's "New Day."
I still want to know why the Congressman who intentionally opened a rear door to let the traitors in has not been charged.
Yes, he mocked my comment and my suggestion that they were awaiting instructions
I wish someone had taken video of him doing that
Which congressman did this? The only thing I find in a Google search is a republican congressman who opened a door at the Oregon State Capital.
I cannot find anything about a congressman opening a door at the US Capital on Jan 6th.
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That's why I asked her to show who the congressman was. She may have confused the state congressman from Oregon with ths, I don't know. If a US congressman actually did this then they need to be held accountable. If she's confused, not a problem. But it's good to know the truth rather than a false rumor.
Perhaps that is what she was talking about. Hmmmm?
Dude, YOU are not the one who should be talking about changing the subject mid thread.
Why not? It is another example of a republican politician helping commit a crime.
That's why I asked her to expand on her statement. She was replying to you in which you were talking about the Jan 6th riot and pieces that occured in the days before Jan 6th. If she was talking about an incident in a different state then she should explain why she changed the subject mid-thread. If she was talking about Jan 6th then I would appreciate knowing who the person is.
Blame the loss of workers to reopen the bridge he was living under.
fuck'em up...
(I think I kinda did)
You do realize don't you that just because you didn't find it doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.
???
Yes I know that. That's why I asked her for the name of the Congressman she accused of opening a locked door. I cannot find anything about it happening so if it did happen it needs to be brought to light and that bastard needs to face the consequences of his actions. If she confused the conversation by bringing in an incident from Oregon when the conversation was about the US Capital on Jan 6th then she should show that. If it's something she "heard" but has no proof then show that. Otherwise all I can assume is either she has me on ignore, or refuses to respond because she has no proof or she knows she is peddling false news.
What makes you think that one of us, by quickly googling, can find some obscure bit of information that the Justice Dept,Homeland Security,theFBI, etc etc with all their experience, expertise (and special equipment) may not have found yet?
(in fact they may already know, but aren't makeing it public yet...
I'm not questioning your vast expertise in crime fighting tactics and/or detective work...but I'm jus' sayin'....
She made the fucking claim in her comment. I said I could not find any information so I asked for her proof. Why the fuck are you turning this around on me? I'm not the one who made the claim in the first place.
All I'm doing is the same that many others including yourself have done on this site, asking for a link to the information to confirm the claim.
I believe Paula that he would have been beating off if others hadn't been around.
Imagine the hypocritic heads exploding if Trump started bailing people out of jail. You know, like some Democrats and members of the left did during the previous riots.
Proof?
We won't hold our breath on that.
source? Or are you putting forth another conspiracy theory?
As you once told me.... 3.2.3
You've yet to prove me wrong or provide a fact or proof of anything.
There's nothing there. Either start making sense or find your way to the door
Yes there is. It was the old "I don't have to prove DICK" shtick
No, that’s a real thing.
Biden staff donate to group that pays bail in riot-torn Minneapolis
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Seems my fan club hangs on every thing I say - see 6.5.6
Well...that comment is not there. When I clicked on your link it only took me to the seed it didn't take me to the comment. Then I scrolled through all the comments and found only a handful of comments I made and most of them were trolling Kathleen.
Edit: Oops...stepped in it again.....Jeremy was replying to Tessy not me.
One more thing....my seed...my rules. Don't come back with "I don't have to prove DICK" when I ask for proof.
Thank-you, Tacos. I hope Jeremy bought you your favorite libation for doing his homework for him
That was the content in the comment he was trying to get you to see FFS. I wasn't saying I don't have to prove DICK. That's your friend's shtick not mine
I edited my comment at 6.5.9. Comment 6.5.10 is now moot
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But your link still doesn't work. There is no comment 3.2.3 in that seed
thanks for that. I couldn't find it in that seed. And why are comments disappearing?
You have to open comment 3.2 with the + button that has a 9 beside it (meaning 9 more comments) to expand the thread and you will see it.
I guess I hit a wrong key or something but it was basically the same thing I posted in 6.5.18
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found it
now let's end this
Weird............oh well I guess we can put this to bed now. Sorry to fuck up your seed.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I dunno…I have pretty expensive tastes.
Even better.
I [already said I ended this]
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He used to have the power to pardon convicted criminals, but since he is no longer president he no longer can. (Or areyou of his followers that think Trump is still president?)
Are you really sorry?
People are saying they don't believe you!
Trump spend his own money? Who are you trying to fool Jeremy?
Oh and BTFW, Trump used pardons instead of bailing people out...
Trump pardoned the four Blackwater mercenaries convicted of murder.
betsy must have worked out the details on those pardons...
There are actually videos of the insurrectionists reading Trump's tweet about Pence and then over 3 HOURS later about Trump wanting them to leave.
Trump had the POTUS facebook account available to all of his minions, which he well knew and which he used to send them a video after HOURS of violence.
The National Guard & The Capitol Police are two entirely different entities
Bingo
Not only is he a defeated former President, but he cannot accept defeat graciously.
It's not in the autocratic playbook to ever accept defeat.
Hell, he cannot even accept it ungraciously. All he can do is continue his lies and live in a world of denial. This is what happens when you only hire "yes men".
Even some of his former yes men are tiring of his continuous BS.
That's because the "yes men" make the most amazing noises as the bus drives over them.
I was thinking the same thing.
Is it like a squishy sound or like a "pop"?
I was thinking more like a whoopie cushion..... Every time one is thrown under the bus, Trump checks his pants.
Mr G ran over a snake once...it make a "pop" sound and it made everyone in the car a little nauseous
There is a city here that has a lot of back roads, one of which is called Tarantula Road because they cross it at night. The locals know not to drive on it at night. I did not know about this and drove it one night. The sound of hundreds of them being squished was nothing I have ever experienced to this day. That sound is what I imagine.
I've run over tarantulas....I felt bad
I had nightmares. I like the little guys.
He gets butt hurt if someone screws up his Big Mac order. The McD corp gave him all the free burgers he wanted. Hopefully they have rescinded that now.
Me, too. Scorpions are their favorite snack
That's nothing..imagine how the Tarantula felt.
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The Jan 6 riot was allowed to happen by the capitol police, they had orders to let it get out of hand so it could be used for propaganda. They could have called in hundreds of local police for backup, they could have used teargas, rubber bullets, beanbags and if someone hit me with a flag I would have shot them with a real bullet.. In the case of those who first broke in the Capitol Building Security could and should have shot them as soon as they crossed the threshold. Who allowed it to happen and why, Trump was not in charge of the Capitol Police in any way, shape, or form. Five dead jackasses at the entrance to the Capitol Building and not one more person would have tried to enter. The left keeps talking about how bad Jan 6 made the USA look to the rest of the world but every other Government is just laughing at the idea that the United States Capitol Building could be breached by hundreds of unarmed yahoos, they know it couldn't have happened unless it was allowed to happen. The Capitol Police and every other Federal Law Enforcement and Security Agency embarrassed themselves in front of the whole world. If the Security at the Capitol Building was really this lame then every Terrorist Organization on Earth would be planning an assault but they're not stupid enough to believe Jan 6th was anything more than a false flag event to discredit the right and the left has made the most of it.
where's your proof? If you don't have any then I suggest you have another elaborate conspiracy theory
Trumpers are allergic to proof. It is their kryptonite.
He has no proof because that statement is totally false.
Link, please.
You know what's irritating? Asking someone to back up their claim and then they run away and hide. Instead of sticking around and admitting they have no proof
A sausage link?
I wouldn't expect too much...
You are so very right... It really sucks when someone makes a claim and never responds with any proof. Are we to believe they just didn't see the question or are we to believe they are just blowing smoke... But running away really doesn't help with the perception of this board.
Damn, I have not seen that many tiny wieners since an orgy I went to in the 70's.
don't they have a tea party group somewhere in cali? up north around redding?
That is xx's territory I believe.
Or perhaps a missing Lynx?
(I could never figure out why they needed to have such pointy ears)
Maybe its to make themselves more visible when they go missing in deep snow (supposedly there's a lot of snow in Lynx country).
All lynx are skilled hunters that make use of great hearing (the tufts on their ears are a hearing aid) and eyesight so strong that a lynx can spot a mouse 250 feet away
That's a whole lot of QAnon wackiness to unpack.
I don't know anything about QAnon and I don't need anyone to tell me what should be common sense to anyone with a working brain. There's no way the USA spends Trillions on National Defense and gets their asses kicked by a bunch of unarmed jackasses.
See 9.3
Please avoid talking about common sense and working brains when you say 1/6/21 was a false flag event.
Excuse me? The Capitol Police aren't part of our national defense. They are a police force.
Five dead jackasses at the entrance to the Capitol Building and not one more person would have tried to enter.
I guess you didn’t get the MAGA talking points. They were peaceful visitors, virtually identical to tourists. Why would they be shot? The fact that Ashli Babbitt was the only shot just shows how peaceful everyone was and that the guy who shot her is a murderer! You guys need to coordinate you defense better.
Tourists use selfie sticks and camera phones not war paint and weapons.
There were only two dead jackasses....Assley and the maga moron who tased his own balls.
Most of them were but there were bad actors and they were the ones who forced the doors and they should have been shot. After the doors were open people who had nothing to do with violence or destruction just followed the crowd in and security didn't tell them to leave at that point.
You still haven't provided any proof for this
The proof is that they weren't fired for not shooting the people who broke down the doors. Those people could have been armed, they could have had bombs, the Capitol Police should never have allowed even one person to pass that front door without permission that's their job and it's the fucking seat of our government. If they weren't following orders they should all be unemployed right now but they still have their jobs so they must have followed orders. In America they will shoot you for trying to break into a Prison, but not the Capitol Building ? Bullshit !
That is not proof! That is pure speculation on your part which leads to a conspiracy theory that the Capitol Police were in on this fiasco! Who would have given them those orders? The Democrats weren't in power yet. Nancy Pelosi? Chuck Schumer? That's just crazy talk. I don't believe for one minute that Pelosi would want to put anyone in harm's way just so she could create some theater.
people who had nothing to do with violence or destruction just followed the crowd in and security didn't tell them to leave at that point.
Riiiight. If only security had just asked them to leave, then all the peaceful ones would have just made like salmon swimming upstream and fought their way back out of the building. Instead, they just followed along, pooped on the floors of the Capitol, riffled through private offices, destroyed and stole property, beat law enforcement with American flags, spewed racist remarks at them, and searched for politicians using their best Jack Nicholson impression from the Shining. Real stand up patriots.
There is none. Magats only throw shit out. They have nothing to back it up with. They count on the old...You can't unring a bell.
If you all want to go on believing that our Capitol has the weakest most ineffective security of any country in the civilized world despite spending trillions on national security go right ahead. If it's really that lame we should be scared shitless because we have no defense, but it's not we have plenty of protection but they must have just all had the day off.
The only false flags were the Trump and confederate ones.
antifa! antifa! antifa!...
There does seem to be some evidence that some of the Capital police may have been aiding the insurrectionists, but not so the attack could be used as propaganda by the left but because they were close to right wing conservative legislators who were planning their "green bay sweep" and wanted the mob there as public backup for their attempted coup.
" Videos from the day of the attack appear to show some officers escorting rioters inside the building . In one video, USCP officers can be seen opening barricades allowing the mob to enter the Capitol complex without resistance ."
" Yes, I did see that. So we've seen a handful of videos that have shown either the D.C. Metropolitan Police or the Capitol Police sort of giving way to the demonstrators . And this has been used to talk about their alleged affinity with the demonstrators or their complicity in this kind of right wing politics. And while I'm sure there are officers who were very sympathetic to the protests and we know there are officers who buy into a lot of these conspiracy theories "
Unfortunately, there are magats in every profession, even the military and LE. Hopefully IA has identified the magat cops and have removed them from their jobs.
That was my very first thought when I first learned what was happening at the Capital. In spite of my disdain for our government over the last 15 years or so, I could not believe something like this could be allowed to happen simply by incompetence. The second thought I had, like immediately after the first, was that I'm not sure I could think of a better gift to give the Democrats than something like this. How Pelosi avoided a joy induced heart attack is anyone's guess.
Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any evidence for it. At least not yet. At the moment, it may be that the government, and those associated with it are simply that incompetent.
None of that excuses the rioters (or as some insist, the insurrection. The most feeble, hard to categorize as an actual, willful attempt to replace the government with another that ever was.) So, we have idiots who, fueled by emotion, attacked the Capital building in a false sense of righteousness and either an incompetent government that wasn't prepared for an obvious possibility or it was intentionally allowed to happen. Either way, it doesn't give me a lot of hope.
What continues to fascinate and sadden me is that instead of condemning this act (and the behavior of Trump during his Big Lie con-job while sitting PotUS) the GOP (seems like most of it) seeks to whitewash, equivocate and deny the facts. Instead of this being the last straw to break free of Trump (especially since he was leaving office) the GOP doubled-down on Trump. It is like some variant of Stockholm syndrome is at play en masse in the GOP.
If there is any evidence of that, I guarantee we'll never see it.
Can't really argue with that. I mean, I understand why people voted for him in 2020. I did so myself, but he lost. Why hang on to him? Both parties disgust me. On the Dem side they would have voted for a turnip as long as it had a shot at beating Trump. Now, Repubs want to do the same damned thing. Run Trump again as long as they think he has a shot at beating whoever in 2024. This is why the popular vote is such a crappy idea. Especially when, for a frightening amount of voters, issues take a 5th seat behind sticking a thumb in your opponent's eye. Elections are nothing more than an expression of hate against the other side, these days.
I think it's worse than that. I think that, even if evidence came to light, it wouldn't make a difference because no one has faith in the media, courts or the government. People just believe what they want to be true.
welcome to the TGOP.
And, more likely, simply winning.
Speak for yourself! I vote for the person I think is the best candidate!
Exactly. Just like wanting to believe Trump is the sole problem. Thanks for the example.
Actually there are a tremendous amounts of security camera videos that recoded in great detail the insurrectionists did in the capitol. In addition, many of them recordedit on cell phones.
(Of course you never know any of this if your only source of news was Fox).
And you don't seem to know the subject of which I was speaking.
It was not! It was an attempted insurrection planned and encouraged by Trump!
I asked another leftist this question yesterday and have not gotten a response (not surprised by this)
Exactly what did Trump say, encouraged and planned that caused the out of control riot of 1/6/21?
Apparently some Reichists are so out of touch, they don't have a clue. Read a newspaper.
I thought you'd never ask.
Do you really want to know? (Or just pretending and actually don't really want to know?)
If so-- this explains everything-- can't argue with this:
What Trump Actually Said That Inspired The Jan 6 Insurrectionists.
Well then you should take this information to Pelosi and the FBI... of course they already have video of the speech and according to the FBI
If you want to hold Trump accountable for statements like 'You have to fight like hell' and such then you need to hold ALL politicians accountable to the same rules.
Your block quote isn't 'according to the FBI', it's according to the Reuter reporters, who failed to name any of their sources. This FBI 'investigation' has yet to surface.
The 3 Stooges (Brooks, Trump, and Rudy) 100% inspired the insurrection. Their words are on record now and as it says in the Miranda...."Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law."
OK, so Krishna was not able to answer the question in her video she tried to lay out as proof, so, now.....for you..exactly what did Trump say, encouraged and planned that caused the out of control riot of 1/6/2021?
Please don't use your feelings. They mean nothing.....and your insult means even less.
I don't believe I asked you to post a videp of Trumps speech. Every liberal looks at that speech as treason, but they just think that way because they hate Trump....because...Trump.
Now, again, exactly what did Trump say, encouraged and planned that caused the out of control riot of 1/6/2021?
Then maybe you can answer the question I posed. No one else has been able to.
No one has any interest in answering when [Deleted] start mouthing off about "leftists". Get it?
Well I'm a liberal and I can assure you that you guessed wrong on that one bugsy.
The reason I that I KNOW it wasn't treason is that I understand the Constitution. I disagree with using legal terms colloquially.
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I wouldn't let your little friends on here know you believe this. [deleted]
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My friends on here are neither little nor small bugsy.
Well, some are......
In the mindset of common sense.
Link?
Nope.
I call FAKE NEWS.
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bwah ha ha ha
It’s not a bad speech, but I think I would have preferred he took a more healing approach in the manner of Lincoln. I think it’s important to remember that the people attacking the capitol, and those who weren’t there but supported them, are still Americans. They might be wildly deluded or deranged Americans, but they’re Americans all the same. Anger is justified, but not forever. At some point, our leadership should proceed to grace.
You should run for president
We don't need any more Trump Mini Me's.
Tacos is no trmp. Far from it
I do like to hear myself talk.
So we should proceed with grace but whatshisname and supporters can continue to be their classy selves and nothing needs to change on their end?
That’s how grace works. It is extended whether the receiving party “deserves it” or not.
IMO, healing can't happen until the source of the disease is acknowledged and subdued. That hasn't happened yet. The Big Lie and the liars telling it keep reopening the wound.
Well, that’s a fair point. Unfortunately, I can’t make Trump not run for president again. The outcome of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments certainly prevented some opposition, but assholes still managed to be assholes for a long time afterward.
I can’t always control what assholes say and do, but I can control me and my approach to them.
Of course you can't.
I advocate the approach of "The people causing the problems need to stop causing the problems before the rest of us become conciliatory." It's much like marriage problems - if one has an abusive spouse, one is entirely justified in not making nice with that abusive spouse while the abuse is ongoing. That tends to encourage more abuse.
The Big Liars need to stop lying before the honest, sane people are expected to make nice.
... or a justifiable homicide.
What was it the Dixie Chicks said...Not gonna make nice anymore?
That's it! Thanks!
The Chicks rock.
It's a reminder that right wing conservative Christians truly started the cancel culture that they now scream and whine about claiming they're such victims of.
Awesome song & video
The other thing I find interesting about the Dixie Chick's being canceled by right wing white conservative Christians where they were blacklisted by thousands of country radio stations, received death threats, and were criticized by right wing media all because they spoke out against G.W. Bush invading Iraq, is that now most right wing white conservative Christians also criticize G.W. Bush who they now call part of the "establishment" and think his decision to invade Iraq was stupid all because their new Mango Mussolini said G.W.'s invasion of Iraq was "the single worst decision ever made."
Talk about hypocrites. First they cancel the Chicks for being against Bush and the war, now they rage against cancel culture and claim they were always against Bush and the war.
Plain old partisanship. "Ok for me, but not for thee."
that antique mentality values blind loyalty above everything else.
You can't not make Trump not run again? Well not by yourself. But if you are a registered Republican you can vote for someone opposing him in the primary. And you can try to convince others to do the same....
Yeah I tried that. I even registered as a Republican for the first time so I could do it. Didn’t work.
Maybe he's invincible...nothing can stop him!?
nonsense, we're still dealing with the f'n anti-lincoln mentalities 155 tears later...
Sure are. That's why liberals get pissed when a conservative black escapes from the plantation of democrats. The hatred that is spewed towards them, especially by white liberals, is overwhelming.
...and we're still dealing with those too fucking stupid to comprehend the southern strategy after 5+ decades.
And some of them are still posting their extremely stupid garbage right here on NT, truth be told!
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And they just keep on trolling...
Good points. And let's not forget the head of the KKK, thhehe hhhead of the azi party, Jeffrey Dahmer, the Boston Marathon bomber, and the perps of most terrorist attacks here are also Americans!
So?
Well Mr President, it is very possible or probable that in January of 2025 you may be a defeated ex president as well.
Meanwhile in 2021 and so far in 2022 he's a failed president.
So far?
Maybe. (Of course there is also the possibility he will not run).
That is true as well.
Biden did not appear feeble or confused in this speech. Nothing like the hyperbole. Rather skillfully executed IMO.
I will give blubbering Joe credit. He didn't fumble his words. It wasn't entirely true but he didn't fumble his words.
It is true that Trump tried to overturn the results of the election using the authority of his office and against the Constitution:
Pence grew a set at just the right moment.
It was a line that he could not cross. Pence may have been a shameless sycophant but he has integrity.
The sources quoted run from, as far as bias is concerned, being the NY Times rated as moderately leaning left, with CNN and NY Mag leaning hard core left, with NPR being center leaning. Not exactly a fair or unbiased grouping there.
Ed, seriously, do you reject the statements I made just because you do not trust the supporting links I provided?
Look at that list and tell me which of those items is false.
Mother pulled them out of her purse that day
See keeping on topic isn't going to happen is it. And you make it more laughable using CNN, NYT and NPR as sources.
Then forget the example sources (one of many if you bother to do any research).
Which of the statements I listed are false?
So I see keeping on topic isn't going to happen is it?
Hey, Jeremy, if you have a problem with this discussion you can just move on and not perpetuate it with lame meta. If Trout Giggles has a problem with its relevance to the topic, she will weigh in.
In the meantime, you clearly have nothing so why are you still buzzing about?
If CNN and NYT print that 4 + 4 = 8 right wing conservatives will dismiss it based on the source alone. Let's face it, they're not about arguing facts and reality, they're here to defend their partisan battle lines with deflection, distraction, false equivalence, messenger assassination and what-about-isms. Because everything you said was factual and they're incapable of disproving a single statement they have to resort to attacking the messenger instead of attacking the facts.
There is nothing off-topic with what TiG is discussing. If you are not pleased then seed your own article and stop trolling mine
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I'm talking about the seeded article and the speech. NOT ONCE did I bring anybody or anything else into it.
Who do you think the speech was about?
Now enough of your whining. No more meta!
I'm sick of your fucking trolls. just let me know when...
I got this. But thanks
what are some good sources Jeremy? Let's have some specific names.
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I never said I rejected them, I just said that the majority of sources were heavily biased. Different people see things differently.
Yes but that implies that my list is wrong. After all, who cares about linked sources if the stated items are true?
Which (if any) of those items I listed is false?
He knows you're right but wants to bother you!
If I gave that impression, I apologize as such wasn't my intention.
I honestly believe the insurrection is why he would not get into the car to leave. Something told him that he may have been driven to his death.
What part do you think was not true?
What do you consider biased about NPR being "center leaning"?
Poor choice of wording on my part. I simply meant that NPR was center on the bias charts I checked and saw them as being the least biased and probably the most reliable source of info.
The trolls just keep trolling along...
I disagree. He had to ask (I think it was Al Gore) what he should do.
Does that all the time - just rejects the source - only if it's left leaning though - doesn't care if it's factual.
You rejected them, what a shocker!
Where did I say I rejected them. If you cannot point that out, please stop making stuff up.
My understanding is that you do not reject the points I made @12.1.1 based on your comment @12.1.25
Thank you.
Each word was pronounced correctly too, unlike whats his name.
His speech was spot on and Biden rocked it.
Exactly!
Walking Eagle Trump (so full of shit he can't fly) exit stage left.
Can we change it to another bird, perhaps the Dodo or a buzzard.. Using America's bird with a shameful pos American just seems wrong to me.
How about a vulture?
Perfect. He feeds off of his (brain) dead magats.
The Donald loves Bald Eagles.
An eagle and a "duck" went into a bar.......
The bartender looks up and says:
Doesn't anybody remember what the bartender actually said when he looked up?
I am shocked-- shocked i tell you!
Donald Trump walks into a bar with a frog on his head.
The bartender asks "What happened to you?"
The Frog replies "Can you believe it started out as a wart on my ass?"...
Good symbolism!