Reject Newsom’s ‘Science’ Statements: Gov’t Is Overreaching; Principled Resistance Is Necessary
By: David Lane
The resistance to the anti science edicts and demands of blue city mayors and blue state governors is on and we who are believers have belief supported justification for doing so. We will not wear face diapers in areas it’s an unreasonable expectation not backed by science. We will not lock down and hide. We won’t close our schools or churches. We will assemble in reopen the economy, back the blue, pro Trump events and outdoor worship events no matter the degree of Karen opposition. Especially when they let BLM and women’s marches out. The resistance to unreasonable restrictions to our constitutional freedoms is just beginning!
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Surge Summary: California Governor Gavin Newsom is using alleged “science” as an excuse to clamp down on liberty and religious freedom. Freedom valuing Americans — and especially Christians — have a duty, meanwhile, to respectfully but firmly resist his brewing tyranny.
by David Lane
California Gov. Gavin Newsom labeled churches as “nonessential” in his startlingly alarmist edict of March 19, 2020, while arbitrarily deeming liquor stores, marijuana dispensaries, Costcos and Walmarts “essential.”
Equally high-handedly as off-handedly pronouncing that “56% of Californians—25.5 million people—could be infected with coronavirus in the next two months,” Newsom stated emphatically, “We are going to do the right thing, not judge by politics, not judge by protests, but by science.”
He evidently meant “political pseudo-science” as his reckless and vainglorious swagger into medical territory turned out to be off by no less than 98%.
No one will mistake Gov. Newsom’s foolhardy and absurdist stance in the name of science for rational wisdom or insightful foresight, but what is most objectionable about it is that such pseudo-science masquerades as genuine science.
Along with other blue state governors, Gov. Newsom’s dictates are a deplorable example of the devastating cultural and economical impact of health scare policies based on fallacies and factually baseless or scientifically unfounded claims.
To paraphrase 1 Samuel 17:26, we may ask: Who is this Philistine giant that he should defy the armies of the living God?
There is a thin line between compliance—the tendency of conforming with or agreeing to the commands/demands of others—and complicity, particularly when they are unjust or unjustified.
According to Daniel Dreisbach, “No question on the minds of pious Americans in the midst of a growing conflict with Great Britain”—and one could argue in the midst of the current conflict between secularism and Christianity—”was more pressing or difficult than this: ‘Do citizens ever have a right or even a duty to resist an unjust, tyrannical ruler?’ Does a civil magistrate who disregards the divinely ordained responsibilities of the office, to restate the question from the ruler’s perspective, forfeit the office and, thereby, the citizen’s duty to obey?”
The biblical texts most often cited as seemingly supporting the doctrines of compliance, unlimited submission or passive obedience and nonresistance are Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Peter 2:13-17.
The self-evident caveat in these passages is that the “governing authorities” must rule in accordance with God’s law. They must uphold divine law, protect the good and destroy the bad. Rulers who violate the law of God or whose commands are contrary to God’s law should be resisted.
Far from consenting that Romans 13:1-7 compels unlimited submission to civil authorities, congregational minister Jonathan Mayhew (1720-1766) argued that Scripture only instructs obedience to “a reasonable and just authority”—those rulers who serve the public good and fulfill the divine design of civil government.
In the words of Mayhew: “No civil rulers are to be obeyed when they enjoin things that are inconsistent with the commands of God. … All commands running counter to the declared will of the supreme legislator of heaven and earth are null and void. And therefore disobedience to them is a duty, not a crime.”
The French theologian, pastor and reformer John Calvin (1509-1564) justified defying civil rulers when obedience to the rulers compels disobedience to God. He considered those rulers to “spoil God of His right and as it were to occupy His throne.”
The New Hampshire Constitution of 1784 expressed it thus: “The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and obsession, is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.”
“For it is the will of God that by doing right you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men” (1 Pet. 2:15).
This is in line with Acts 5:29, where it says, “We must obey God rather than men.”
In Matthew 22:21b, Jesus says “Render therefore unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”
The biblically based political concepts that became central to the American system of constitutional government included the supremacy of higher law; law as the embodiment of reason, free from human passions; the divine source of inalienable rights; the contractual basis and, thus, limited character of civil government; the consent of the governed as the basis of legitimate civil authority; and the right of resistance against tyrannical, unjust rulers.
Pastor Rob McCoy (former Thousand Oaks mayor and city councilman) sent a clarion call to pastors at the Nonessential premiere on Oct. 18: Open California churches and put in check “tyrannical officials who have ruined our economy, closed our schools, divided our people between essential and nonessential and declared our churches as nonessential.”
Gideons and Rahabs are beginning to stand.
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We will not wear face diapers
Lol! Using this unusual terminology would seem to imply that you fully understand what is coming out of your mouths.
You know, no offense to Jewish people, but they will like their Old Testament back for its proper application.
Flap your gums all you want, the court upheld Newsome's restrictions.
Tissue?
And MAGA and "friends," you do realize that this is God's coronavirus sent out in the world to accomplish whatsoever work God has sent it to do, yes? In which case, it would prosper combative and obstinate people to heed the warning to listen and stand down (off to the side) and be saved from the experience of going through its pain and misery!
kintsugi
Gesundheit!
Your churches ARE not essential. period. Most Catholics and Jews realize that and voluntarily avoid gatherings for any reason.
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We saw an ad on TX 360 today beseeching Christians, Jews and Catholics
to unite and vote for Trump.
Very telling that the writer doesn't consider Catholics to be Christians
Churches seem more like a waste of good real estate.
This attacking of a fellow liberty to choose is not good. Compromise is the only way this country can work out its differences. Somehow we have got to homogenize in key areas just to continue to be relevant and expansive as a people. Else we diminish, get anemic as a people, and scatter to the 'four winds' - perish.
Friend SP, I beg your indulgence. Churches are essential to the faithful, if only for purposes of socially "blending" in one 'house.' What churches are not is free of and above science, we fall under the category of flesh like every other animal. In which case, if something infects our flesh we will become as sick, dying, and dead as a non-faithful person. These things are decreed in the body and spirituality does not attempt to overstep human cause and effect. We all have to listen to proper experts executing their duties and responsibilities.
This is why Donald taking on science is unworthy and stupid beyond belief! Who does that?1
In the old West worthy ministers went into the mines to teach the miners be they white Irish or yellow Chinese, freed blacks or native Americans sold to the mines and Railroads to pay off their sentences.
Those holy men and women required no house of worship.
In a time where we are dangerous to one another because of possible infection, I suggest that most of the ire is political and libertarian
and has nothing to do with religion.
Churches will rarely fail, like a bowling alley or gymnasium...
all it takes is the imagination of the clergy to overcome small inconveniences.
Were the Chinese or Russians able to extinguish Christianity?
No
Neither will the virus, my brother CB.
Your entire comment here is well met. I listen to an institutional church which continues to largely meet online and they have this utterance at the start of each service which I find apropo:
". . . We thank God for technology. . . ."
Peace be with you...
and with you always my brother from another mother
Peace, love, and safety to you and yours, my brother.
Churches have nothing to do with religion.
Lot's of religions existed without physical churches.
Shamans everywhere are laughing with me...
What will he provide? S/He certainly has hasn't protected anyone from his/her latest virus.
One wonders why.
You observed a movement of the Spirit there, eh? Do I have to ask if you felt it too?
Donald Trump is not a peace-maker with anybody who does not tow his line. Don't toy with me, for I have eyes, ears, and a discerning spirit to see what he is and has wrought in this nation between us.
Donald Trump appears to have made an oath with his supporters to take the rights and privileges of liberals away and spread them out amongst yourselves. As you can imagine, no self-respecting liberal, progressive, or secularist is going to stand for that—nor should s/he!
The compromise I write about allows everyone to come away with respect and dignity; it is the only way our nation will survive whole. Or the split will prove to be our national undoing! America can not lead the world, or garner world support, if it thinks it can return to a 'by-gone' era. Each succeeding period in time and space brings forth its own new 'day' of experiences and challenges.
The world of our founders, died with each and every one of those men. And it is well as those men expected nothing more to occur for them! They wished to be admired as founders and not as men forfor all times! They certainly were not prophets!
Cite ONE Xx.
There are no peace deals with those nations that has borne itself out. Also, are you forgetting the prophetic utterance in the Bible about the "broken contract' which leads to Armageddon (see Daniel)? Scripturally speaking there can be no 'lasting' peace between these middle eastern peoples and Israel. But if you wish to glom unto a pretense that you do not carry in your heart, go for it. NOTE: I am not qualified to say which is a production of a the 'last days,' but the book is about an establishment of contractual agreements between Israel and other surrounding nations which gets broken in the middle. . . .
Depends on your experiences and thinking outside the box of Texas.
Religions that are largely humanism like Buddhism, Jaimism and Hindu don't need churches.
The Amish don't need churches, but the few homes I have been fortunate enough to visit have enormous living rooms
because the services move from home to home, as do the pews and/or chairs.
I never said it was. What's your point?
Nice juvenile comment.
A cop out rationalization one makes to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
That works both ways.
Children all over the world learn to play sports, soccer in particular without the benefit of a proper pitch.
A church is not necessary for religion to exist or thrive no matter who or what you pray to.
Thank you Gordy
That is historical revision, completely distorted and totally false. The Republican Congressional leaders met on the night of President Obama's first inauguration and agreed on a plan to oppose every Obama initiative, even if they were matters they had previously supported.
You're welcome.
I understand.
If it's a day that ends in "day" you will find something to be disagreeable about whenever I comment.
The last word is yours...
Cite a BILL proposed by the WH Xx, Hell, cite an OUTLINE for a bill from the WH.
You can't because there isn't one. NOTHING, NADA. Pretending that Trump's blathering MEANS anything concrete is laughable. Just like the Trump/Pence promise of a Health care plan, it's smoke and mirrors with no substance.
So you don't hold to:
You can bet on that. People the world round have been worshiping their chosen deity for thousands of years, and did not and do not need a church or enclosed building or structure to worship them. If a deity will only accept prayers and adoration when performed or spoken in a church or such structure, then it is not really interested in what a person is praying or their dedication.
Being Native American, and one who practices the religion of my Cherokee ancestors, I have no need of a specific structure or location to interact with the Creator. He/She is wherever I am at any time I need Him/Her.
Nope, that was MAGA who insisted that the church was most Essential ( 6.1.12 )
One can only hope.
The truly outrageous abuse of power is the refusal to allow Disneyland to reopen - even a little. There is no science that justifies it. Disney World in Florida has been open for months and they're doing just fine. You don't think Disney, of all companies, has plans to limit transmission of the virus? And the means to enforce those limits?
Meanwhile, the park stays closed, so Disney has to lay people off and then people in government (like Elizabeth Warren ) attack them for it. Like it's Disney's fault the park is closed??
Small businesses for miles around Disneyland also rely on traffic to the park . Hotels, restaurants, etc. Many are laying people off, and some of them are going out of business. It's not necessary.
BREAKING: The Walt Disney Company Restoring Salaries of Senior Executives to Pre-COVID Levels
A MONTH later:
BREAKING: Disney Parks Announces 28,000 Cast Member Layoffs Due to the COVID-19 Pandemic
Not to be contrary but Disney CA is a landlocked mess.
Disney FL was built in the middle of nowhere with massive parking and room for expansion if environmentalists will allow.
Florida is manageable.
California must be patient
I'll need to see data that supports that. Here is some data that I think refutes it.
That graphic also seems to refute the seed's posit that Newsom is overreaching. Looks like Newsom's 'overreaching' policies are working for California.
It shows that something is working. It doesn’t make the direct connection you want to see. What it shows me is that we have a pretty flat curve, which was supposed to be the goal.
So it's your posit that California has met some kind of 'goal' with over 4000 new cases and 50 deaths every day?
The shape of the curve was the goal. Do you dispute that? That’s what we’re talking about.
California’s Roadmap to Modify the Stay at Home Order
I made no “posit” about numbers. Don’t troll me by trying to restate my position for me so you can argue some straw man.
Specific numbers were not the goal. If you have a problem with that perspective, go back in time to April and take it up with the governor.
Governor Newsom: Curve has ‘arguably flattened,’ California nears 900 COVID-19 deaths
In late August, though, he moved the goalposts. Now , it’s about numbers, but those numbers are arbitrary.
California’s Newsom deploys new coronavirus reopening framewor k, most counties under strict orders
For a guy who claims to be basing his decisions on the science, he doesn’t seem to be citing any that says Disneyland shouldn’t reopen.
What I AM disputing is YOUR posit that 'the goal' has somehow met. BTW, your link is from APRIL and some shit HAS changed in the meantime.
You sure as hell DID by posting this:
Are you trying to insist that IGNORE the numbers cited on the charts that YOU posted and that YOU commented on?
Ridiculous.
Secondly, either flag my comment as trolling or STOP accusing me of trolling. PICK ONE.
Yet YOU cited 'a bump in cases in the last week' and that deaths showed 'no such bump' and while you're desperate to pretend that the goal isn't 'specific numbers', those 'bumps' you speak of are based solely on SPECIFIC NUMBERS.
Trying to pretend that you can separate the 'specific numbers' from the 'shape of the curve' is juvenile.
Well, you're doing a poor job of it. I said the goal was to flatten the curve. You can't dispute that, though you won't admit it, either. I posted graphs that clearly show flattened curves. You can't dispute that either, and again you won't admit it. Basically, you have nothing. You're pestering me to no purpose.
Yes. I said nothing about numbers. How hard is that to understand? Are you intentionally ignoring the words in front of you?
You don't like the truth and you won't discuss the facts, so you resort to personal attacks. Like I said. You bring nothing to this topic. Good day.
Actually NO Tacos. you do NOT want me to ignore the numbers because if I did I would also have the ignore the 'flattened curve' that represents those very numbers. Again, your pretense that the graph isn't based on numbers is juvenile.
I posted the truth and discussed the facts Tacos. You want to talk about graphs while desperately trying to ignore what those graphs illustrate.
Characterizing your posit as juvenile isn't a personal attack. Insistence that is, is juvenile.
Oh and BTFW, either flag my comment or stop the bullshit about 'personal attacks'.
I thought you were averse to resorting to personal attacks...
Please stop with these dishonest straw man tactics. I never said the graph had no connection to numbers. You have made NO points that contribute to the topic. Unless you have something to add, please stop talking to me. It's just harassment at this point.
I have told you before not to use the F word on me in any form. You know this.
Still playing the victim and still calling someone else a troll.
smh
Oh FFS, what are you going to do, quit responding?
Not likely.
I didn't call anyone a troll. But I see you don't mind posting a completely off-topic personal attack instead of commenting on the topic.
YES let me start the month off with a bang.
Yes that is skirting.
I have treated you fairly every time we interact and tried to show you that YES you are a TRUMP supporter
as evidenced by months and months of hair splitting essays written by you
as to why you are not a Trump supporter but that there is a perfectly
plausible reason for every nasty Trumpism, Trump lie or investigation or folly that he misstates.
Try as you might to stay under the radar, you have failed.
Flag away my friend.
PLEASE learn the proper use of the term strawman.
Yet you cite the graph ad nauseam while insisting that you haven't said anything about numbers which that very graph is based on.
I've made the point that you argument isn't cogent.
I'll post any replies I damn well please. That is the THIRD CoC violation you have accused me of, ALL of which are bullshit. Nobody is forcing you to read anything. Your victim card bullshit is ridiculous.
Another victim card. I have used nothing ON you Tacos. I used an F in an acronym. Next time you see an F, assume it means Freaking if that fits better with your sensibilities.
Now, if you have a issue with the 'F bomb', I suggest you avail yourself of the handy dandy filter that is provided to you by NT to block such wording. If you do NOT avail yourself of said filter, it implies that you are open to viewing such wording. So it's on YOU and YOU know this.
Or just hit the ignore button. Either way I could not care less.
I will NOT alter the content of my comments. PERIOD full stop.
There you go again with the graphs.
Y'all have been whining about one size fits all mandates and then when decision are made county by county they whine about that.
Disneyland is in a hotspot. Get over it...
Fine Xx.
Biden can just do what you have supported for the sanctuary cities.
Redding doesn't want to comply with Federal mandates, no soup for you...
Your little corner of the RW world will dry up like a raisin.
Triage will be necessary and those that refuse to comply with mitigation attempts go the the end of the line on therapeutics and vaccines. Wallow in the virus if you wish.
You're bothered by published facts and data? That might be telling right there.
I don't think I said anything about one size fits all mandates in this thread. Maybe I'm wrong. But I would think most sensible people would see that such things are often a bad idea. I would say that targeted responses based on specific data are probably more useful.
I have seen no evidence that Disneyland is in a hot spot or is a hot spot itself (not sure which you meant).
By a quirky coincidence, both Disneyland and Disney World are in Orange County. In Orange County, California , this is what the cases look like (you'll hate this part. It's another graphic based on actual data):
Clearly new cases have decreased quite a bit over the last few months. Based on this graphic, I would say this spot was a lot hotter a few months ago.
But would it suddenly get worse if Disneyland were to reopen? There is strong evidence that it probably would not be a new hot spot. Disney World (same kind of place as Disneyland, and run by the same company, if you weren't aware) has been open for months in Florida and it isn't being blamed for new outbreaks.
At Disney World, ‘Worst Fears’ About Virus Have Not Come True
Here is another one of those graphs full of facts that you seem to disapprove of so much. In case it's not clear, the amber (dark yellow) line is the new covid cases in the state of Florida and the orange line is the cases for Orange County, Florida where Disney World is located. (Lines going down means less new cases than before - that's a good thing) The gray area shows when the park opened in July, and it has remained open for over three months.
Across the state, and around Disney World, new cases are declining. Impact of Disney World reopening? Apparently, very little. Not what I would call a "hot spot."
No but I am bothered by members that truncate a comment in order to pretend they're making a cogent point. That IS telling right there.
Is that 'actual data' based on specific numbers Tacos?
Another post with no point. Nothing on topic. It's pretty clear you have nothing to offer in that regard.
Another desperate attempt at obfuscation.
Another off-topic comment. Do you have anything at all to say about Disneyland and the data presented here? Or will it just be more personal garbage?
Ok, it's not a hot spot right now when it's closed. That makes sense.
Care to guarantee each visitors safety when they reopen?
They don't just sell tickets to Orange County residents do they?
What percentage of their guests are from CONUS?
How much is international?
Apparently unknown but feared?
That qualifies as an opinion.
Speaking of off topic, why are we now looking at Disney World Florida graphs when the
topic of the seed is what a horrible person Gavin Newsome is as Governor of MAGA's home state?
Guaranteed safety? No. Since when is that the standard for anything ? And that was never supposed to be the standard for reopening businesses, was it? We were supposed to flatten the curve so that hospitals could handle the load of sick people. It was never supposed to be "we guarantee you won't get sick." That would be an impossible standard for anyone at any time.
No, it's actually well known. If you look at the links and data I provided in my comments above, you will see that. In fact, some workers at Disney World have gotten sick, but based on their contact tracing, they didn't get sick because of working at Disney World. They got sick out in the regular world.
From the NY Times article, I linked:
And to show how arbitrary and frustrating Governor Newsom's shifting policies are, there is this also from that story:
There is no science justifying the continued closing of Disneyland, and ample evidence that it could reopen safely. The governor claims he is basing his decisions on science, but cites none. It looks far more like he is operating based on his own sense of panic or his need to exercise control.
That goes, by the way, for the commenters here, including yourself, who support the governor with no reasoning offered.
Because of the direct comparison between choices made by this governor contrasted with people elsewhere. That's a perfectly valid framework for analysis.
In California, the governor has decided, in spite of the available evidence, that it is unsafe to open Disneyland. In other places, Disney has demonstrated that it can reopen safely. That would seem to make the governor's edict an unreasonable one in that it literally is not based in reason.
Oh and BTFW, I said DisneyLAND's Orange county is a hotspot, NOT Disneyworld's Orange county.
Oh and FYI, THAT was a strawman...
Yes I know. I never claimed you said anything about Florida, so there is no need for you to even mention it. Do you have anything to contribute on the topic?
Yet it IS a standard that Disneyworld has set for itself. It's all over their website. They are at 25% capacity.
Oh and BTFW, over 11,000 of those 28,000 that were laid off were from Disneyworld in FLORIDA.
And that all means what about Governor Newsom’s policy?
Then this part of your comment:
Is moot.
Pointing out the strawman in your comment is a contribution.
Which policy are you asking about? The CHD set the standards that counties have to meet to be reduced from a red to orange tier county. That's how shit works when elected officials rely on health professionals.
Orange county CALIFORNIA is STILL a red tier county. Your graph doesn't illustrate that, does it?
You either don’t understand the concept of comparing similar things or you are deliberately doing it. Either way, you don’t seem to be up to the challenge of this topic. And yet you keep coming back. What for? I’ll ask for the bazillion this time: Do you have anything to contribute to the topic, or not? A simple yes or no will suffice.
There has been no straw man. I just denied it and you accepted it. Again: Anything about the governor and his policy vis a vis Disneyland? No? Maybe you should try a thread where you actually have something to say.
Well thanks for telling me who I support in California....
I was speaking within the context of this thread. Do you have anything to offer on that or did you just come here to be hostile to me?
alleged “science” as an excuse to clamp down on liberty and religious freedom.
Science is not the enemy. Science is the solution.