Jason Chaffetz: President-elect Biden calls for 'unity' – but where was 'unity' from Dems when Trump won?

  
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Jason Chaffetz: President-elect Biden calls for 'unity' – but where was 'unity' from Dems when Trump won?
 

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Remember when Democrats called for peace and unity in the days following the 2016 election of Donald Trump ? Neither do I.

In fact, I remember my congressional office being inundated with angry calls from people alleging voter fraud, demanding investigations, and insisting Donald Trump could not be allowed to assume the presidency.  

Back then, they wanted a special prosecutor, criminal investigations, lawsuits, and congressional hearings to ensure there would be no peaceful transition of power. 


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Sunshine
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1  seeder  Sunshine    last year
In reality, it's highly unlikely Trump supporters will replicate the violence, the hate, and the looting that characterized so many leftist protests over the last four years. But if Democrats believe Americans are obligated to passively stand by while they pursue an agenda that hurts American workers and limits their fundamental rights, they will be disappointed.
 
 
 
SteevieGee
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1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Sunshine @1    last year

Seems to me that calls for unity need to come from the President.  We all listened for them from President Trump and all we heard was that he was going to punish blue states for being blue.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1.1  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1    last year

As already stated, Trump called for unity many times, yet the Democrats have used every possible tactic available for four years to undermine Trump's Presidency. 

The call for unity now from Democrats is a joke and certainly not earned. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.1    last year

And it will be a call unheard.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.1    last year
Remember when Democrats called for peace and unity in the days following the 2016 election of Donald Trump ? Neither do I.

The worst of it culminated in 2008 when Mitch declared the President elect a cursed one termer.

But this all goes back to my cousin Newt who poisoned politics to a degree not thought possible.

There were no serious calls from Trump for unity, he refused to work with the Obama transition team,

hell, he even fired Chris Christy over it. 

How many faithful Republicans has Trump fired in 4 years?  48?  More?

Was Trump ever a Republican?  Doubtful.  He has no scruples.

Trump has never been capable of compromise in his personal or professional life, insists he's never lost at anything

while leaving a trail of bankruptcies, lawsuits and broken marriages behind. 

Unity requires compromise and the ability to see the other sides position. 

All Trump has ever wanted to do is win, at any price.,  even masquerading as a Republican.

Now he is faced with the largest public humility of his life

or acting like a President with some class for a change and accept the inevitable outcome of this election.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    last year
2008 when Mitch declared the President elect a cursed one termer.

WTF is this? 

 back to my cousin Newt who poisoned politics to a degree not thought possible.

Right. Tip O'Neill (the speaker of the House)  calling Reagan evil, Kennedy working with the soviets to defeat Reagan, Kennedy calling Bork a murderer etc.. was all rainbows and sunshine.. Gingrich had the audacity to do something or other and that changed everything!.

e refused to work with the Obama transition team,

nity requires compromise and the ability to see the other sides position

Trump would have love nothing more than to compromise on everything. He just wants deals. But only one side was willing to deal, the other engaged in historic obstruction.

Competent Democratic politicians could have gotten Trump to do almost anything they wanted but they chose war. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.5    last year

Tip O'neill and every one else went to a bar every night

to laugh about how bad they treated each other on the floor that day.

That what was unity looked like Sean. that was when compromise was an art form.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.6    last year

Ps, historic obstruction was evident from 2008 to 2016.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1    last year
Seems to me that calls for unity need to come from the President.

I agree. He should say things like:

The Bible tells us, “how good and pleasant it is when God’s people live together in unity.”

We must speak our minds openly, debate our disagreements honestly, but always pursue solidarity.

When America is united, America is totally unstoppable.

- From Trump's Inaugural Address

or this:

My administration wants to work with members of both parties to make childcare accessible and affordable, to help ensure new parents that they have paid family leave  to invest in women’s health, and to promote clean air and clean water, and to rebuild our military and our infrastructure. 

True love for our people requires us to find common ground, to advance the common good, and to cooperate on behalf of every American child who deserves a much brighter future.

- From Trump's first State of the Union speech

But Democrats and the media decried both speeches as the most divisive this country has ever known.

We all listened for them from President Trump and all we heard was that he was going to punish blue states for being blue.

Were you really listening for unity? It seems to me that some people were only going to "hear" divisiveness no matter what was actually said. This summer, Trump gave a speech at Mt. Rushmore that focused on diversity in our history, and he was accused of praising the Confederacy, when in fact, he championed the anti-slavery cause of the North.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.7    last year
historic obstruction was evident from 2008 to 2016.

Right, when the Democrats had filibuster proof control of Congress, the Republicans were engaged in "historic obstruction."

Why don't you do yourself a favor and use the same Democrats used to complain about "historic  obstruction" under Obama and apply them to Trump's four years. Per the arguments used by Democrats, Trump faced more obstruction than every President before him combined.  

So I guess "obstruction" will become a bad thing again and the cause of much whining, after 4 years of Democrats perfecting it. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.1    last year
Trump called for unity many times

That simply never happened. He called for Muslim bans, he called Mexicans rapists, he praised Putin even as Russia was illicitly helping him win an election, he called for the ACA to be dismantled, he called for anything and everything 'Obama' to be eliminated, never once did he call for unity. He demanded obeisance, obedience and loyalty which he only got from his sniveling followers who continue to lie for him to this very day. Now like a petulant whiny child he's refusing to concede in the face of the overwhelming reality that he lost. He is a loser, always has been, and that fact would have been made abundantly clear early in his life had daddy not given him nearly half a billion dollars.

Biden's speech was the first time in four years we've actually heard someone being Presidential. If Trump sycophants don't want to listen and be part of the solution and continue being the problem in our society then they will be left out and forgotten, it's their choice. Even Fox news was saying that regardless of all the rhetoric, Biden is a centrist and will reach across the aisle. Sadly, this is a trait that I believe will go unrewarded because conservatives aren't going to stop playing their zero sum game, they'll take the hand across the aisle and while shaking it they'll stab democracy in the back as they always do with a sly grin on their face as they did when confirming a supreme court justice just days before an election, something they said just three years ago they would never ever think of doing because the American people should be the ones choosing that nominee through the election of a new President. We have seen how much their word is worth and it's worth less than spit, but Democrats will no doubt reach out to them with open palms once again believing that for the sake of the nation trusting the snake again is better than cutting its head off. I've no doubt the next four years will just prove them wrong once again and they'll complain while pulling the knife out of their backs while conservative Republicans once again smile slyly and blame Democrats for being weak suckers for believing them once again, "You knew I was a snake... hehe..." is all Democrats will get for their attempts at outreach.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1.11  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.4    last year
Unity requires compromise and the ability to see the other sides position. 

Like Pelosi tearing up the POTUS's State of the Union address.  Real classy too.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1.12  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.10    last year
He called for Muslim bans, he called Mexicans rapists

All of your credibility ended right there.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.13  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.9    last year
Per the arguments used by Democrats, Trump faced more obstruction than every President before him combined.  

Who do you think you are kidding?

Out of Trump's own mouth, he whined about obstruction, the press and the left constantly blaming others

and compared himself to Lincoln ( who was far more vilified than Trump )

Trump supporters all over the country and this venue insist

on listing pages and pages of Trump accomplishments.

So which is it Sean?  Did he have pages and pages of terrific, historic accomplishments

or was he obstructed in historic dimensions?

.

Romney said it best this morning, the GOP made huge gains where it counted at local levels,

the Presidency was a referendum on an individual.  Now it's time to get work.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.1.14  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.9    last year
Per the arguments used by Democrats, Trump faced more obstruction than every President before him combined.

Under donald they had complete control for two years and control of the senate for all four.

Hardly obstruction...

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.11    last year

Like the POTUS refusing to shake Pelosi's hand, again.

Yes the POTUS was clearly capable of showing little class or respect for 2 centuries of decorum.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.1.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.1    last year

Try a call from people like  Nancy(No Neck) Pelosi, Chuck (Screwball) Schummer, Adam "Shifty" Schiff, and Jerry "No Nads" Naddler.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1.17  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.15    last year

Haha, she wants to shake his hand after trying to impeach him.  

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.18  JBB  replied to  Sunshine @1.1.17    last year

Pelosi didn't just try. She impeached Trump!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sunshine @1    last year

Exactly.  We may demonstrate in the streets peacefully as in a resumption of a Trump flavored Tea Party but there will be no violence or property damage or riots from us.  Our resistance will be peaceful until the paramilitary arm of the democrat party, Antifa and BLM attack such peaceful protests.  Our resistance will come in the form of  passive non violent civil disobedience to their directives.  And simply living out our lives in red areas on our own as we see fit as if they don’t exist using the constitution and federalism to shield us from them.  

 
 
 
PJ
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2  PJ    last year

Let me get this straight, Biden, the president elect has called for unity and has a history of working across the aisle.  Trump who IS and has been the President for over 3 years has never asked for unity in any significant way among other disturbing trends and practices and doesn't have a history of working with anyone while only demanding loyalty without reciprocation.  There is no comparison and I'm not surprised that whataboutism continues to be a strategy of some who have not lived in reality since trump initially ran in 2016.   

Next........

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  PJ @2    last year

Brilliant PJ. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @2    last year

Trump has called for unity many times throughout his Presidency.  Here is an example of one.  Because you decide it is not good enough doesn't discount it.

In a July 4 speech, United States President Donald Trump emphasized that his vision for America consists of unity and would disregard characteristics such as race, color, religion, or creed as every citizen belongs to one country and said he places that at a higher priority.

Funny, Biden only started condemning the riots and calling for unity when his poll numbers started tanking.

 
 
 
PJ
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2.3.1  PJ  replied to  Sunshine @2.3    last year

You guys do know that we can actually pull the speech up ourselves and see the speech in it's full context, right?  jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.2  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @2.3.1    last year

Well good, you should read it.

 
 
 
PJ
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2.3.3  PJ  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.2    last year

Here some more of the speech you're so proud of.  

And yet, as we meet here tonight, there is a growing danger that threatens every blessing our ancestors fought so hard for, struggled, they bled to secure.

Our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heroes, erase our values, and indoctrinate our children.

AUDIENCE:  Booo —

THE PRESIDENT:  Angry mobs are trying to tear down statues of our Founders, deface our most sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime in our cities.  Many of these people have no idea why they are doing this, but some know exactly what they are doing.  They think the American people are weak and soft and submissive.  But no, the American people are strong and proud, and they will not allow our country, and all of its values, history, and culture, to be taken from them.  (Applause.)

AUDIENCE:  USA!  USA!  USA!

THE PRESIDENT:   One of their political weapons is “Cancel Culture” — driving people from their jobs, shaming dissenters, and demanding total submission from anyone who disagrees.  This is the very definition of totalitarianism, and it is completely alien to our culture and our values, and it has absolutely no place in the United States of America.  (Applause.)  This attack on our liberty, our magnificent liberty, must be stopped, and it will be stopped very quickly.  We will expose this dangerous movement, protect our nation’s children, end this radical assault, and preserve our beloved American way of life.  (Applause.)

In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance.  If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras, and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted, and punished.  It’s not going to happen to us.  (Applause.)

Make no mistake: this left-wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the American Revolution.  In so doing, they would destroy the very civilization that rescued billions from poverty, disease, violence, and hunger, and that lifted humanity to new heights of achievement, discovery, and progress.

To make this possible, they are determined to tear down every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage.

AUDIENCE MEMBER:  Not on my watch!  (Applause.)

THE PRESIDENT:  True.  That’s very true, actually.  (Laughter.)  That is why I am deploying federal law enforcement to protect our monuments, arrest the rioters, and prosecute offenders to the fullest extent of the law.  (Applause.)

AUDIENCE:  Four more years!  Four more years!  Four more years!

THE PRESIDENT:  I am pleased to report that yesterday, federal agents arrested the suspected ringleader of the attack on the statue of Andrew Jackson in Washington, D.C. — (applause) — and, in addition, hundreds more have been arrested.  (Applause.)

Under the executive order I signed last week — pertaining to the Veterans’ Memorial Preservation and Recognition Act and other laws — people who damage or deface federal statues or monuments will get a minimum of 10 years in prison.  (Applause.)  And obviously, that includes our beautiful Mount Rushmore.  (Applause.)

Our people have a great memory.  They will never forget the destruction of statues and monuments to George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Ulysses S. Grant, abolitionists, and many others.

The violent mayhem we have seen in the streets of cities that are run by liberal Democrats, in every case, is the predictable result of years of extreme indoctrination and bias in education, journalism, and other cultural institutions.

Against every law of society and nature, our children are taught in school to hate their own country, and to believe that the men and women who built it were not heroes, but that were villains.  The radical view of American history is a web of lies — all perspective is removed, every virtue is obscured, every motive is twisted, every fact is distorted, and every flaw is magnified until the history is purged and the record is disfigured beyond all recognition.

This movement is openly attacking the legacies of every person on Mount Rushmore.  They defile the memory of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Roosevelt.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.4  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @2.3.3    last year

[Deleted.  Don't make this personal.]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2.3.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.4    last year

lol.  PJ doesnt comment a lot, but when she does it is goooooooood. 

 
 
 
PJ
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2.3.6  PJ  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.4    last year

Well I guess the whole content of the speech didn't support the "unity" argument.......  I will move on to another thread. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.7  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @2.3.6    last year

Nothing wrong with the speech.  Has Biden's entire speeches?  You are getting desperate, perhaps you should move one.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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2.3.8  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @2.3.5    last year

Really?

Some people are easily amused. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.9  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Kathleen @2.3.8    last year

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.3.10  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2.3.7    last year

Desperate?

How about seeding an article about unity, the chance of unity and who's calling for unity

and then using this  a"Resist" raised fist like ANTIFA.

That's desperate.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.3.11  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @2.3.10    last year

Oh you feel threatened by an article. 

A little thin skinned are we?

 
 
 
Tacos!
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2.4  Tacos!  replied to  PJ @2    last year
Trump who IS and has been the President for over 3 years has never asked for unity in any significant way

That's really not true. I gave examples from his Inaugural address and SOTU in @1.1.8.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3  Nerm_L    last year

Well, the overlooked good outcome from the election is that racial politics has been marginalized.  The larger the voter turnout, the less important minority voting blocks become.  The minority becomes more minor.

While Joe Biden claims he was elected with more votes than any other candidate in history, that political pabulum conveniently ignores that more people voted against Biden than any other candidate in history, too.  Joe Biden is beginning his term as President with a half-truth; not a lie but certainly a dishonest telling of what has happened.  The country is not united behind Joe Biden.  And Biden's continued reliance on racial politics to speak to a more minor minority won't unify the country.

Joe Biden is failing before he even takes the oath of office. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.1  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Nerm_L @3    last year

So true Nerm.  Half of his votes where against Trump and not for Biden.

Yet they call it a victory for Biden. 

 
 
 
JBB
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3.1.1  JBB  replied to  Sunshine @3.1    last year

Biden got four million more votes, went over fifty percent total and got over 300 Electoral votes...

When it comes down to American Presidential elections who does not define that as a victory?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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3.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Sunshine @3.1    last year
So true Nerm.  Half of his votes where against Trump and not for Biden. Yet they call it a victory for Biden. 

Joe Biden's only mandate was to remove Donald Trump from the White House.  That's why Biden won the Democratic nomination.

Joe Biden has fulfilled his only mandate so, now, he has to make things up as he goes.  We can expect a lot of half-truths and finger pointing for the next four years.  Joe Biden's Presidency is over before it even starts.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    last year

You can't please everyone, especially if they are MAGA cultists. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.1.4  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.3    last year
especially if they are MAGA cultists. 

What happened to the "unity"?  

It is sad that your hate lives on John.  Only proves the point of the seed.

You should comment somewhere else.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.4    last year

You have me shaking in my boots Sunshine. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.1.1    last year
"When it comes down to American Presidential elections who does not define that as a victory?"

Sore losers?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @3.1    last year

Same as the votes against HRC were not for Trump

and just about every other election here and abroad.

Many people vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

and the person with the most votes always calls it a victory.

 
 
 
Gazoo
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3.1.8  Gazoo  replied to  Sunshine @3.1.4    last year

I agree totally, call people “cultists”, which is an insult directed at some, while complaining about the lack of unity. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    last year

love the logo Sunshine. Is that an original thought by the way? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    last year
Remember when Democrats called for peace and unity in the days following the 2016 election of Donald Trump ? Neither do I.

In fact, I remember my congressional office being inundated with angry calls from people alleging voter fraud, demanding investigations, and insisting Donald Trump could not be allowed to assume the presidency.  

Back then, they wanted a special prosecutor, criminal investigations, lawsuits, and congressional hearings to ensure there would be no peaceful transition of power. 

At the time Donald Trump won the 2016 election , he was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. Of course people intended to oppose his presidency from Day One. 

Are we going to have to listen to this shit about Donald Trump not being treated "fairly" forever ? I'm probably only going to live another 20 years and I don't want to listen to this shit all that time. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year
Are we going to have to listen to this shit about Donald Trump not being treated "fairly" forever ? 

Yes.

I'm probably only going to live another 20 years and I don't want to listen to this shit all that time. 

But that would require listening.  No worries.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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5.2  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year
he was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat

Yet you still have shown no proof it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @5.2    last year

I have shown it on this forum as have many many other people on NT and of course elsewhere in the media. I'm not going to endlessly repeat all this information just to satisfy Trumpsters. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.2    last year

In the tristate area of PA, NJ, NY Trump's been a legend in his own mind for 50 years

always on the radio, always in the newspapers, always some new grand development with new girlfriends, old wives,

more lawsuits, more eminent domain cases trying to bulldoze poor neighborhoods or that

little old lady in Atlantic City who outlasted Donald in the courts.

He's been associated with all of the construction mafias in NYC and North Jersey

and plastered NYC papers with pictures of himself and Jeffery Epstein.

Only in America, it seems, could Al Capone and DJTrump be revered in certain circles.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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5.2.3  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.2    last year

Wow he was on the radio, OMG!

Cheated like Kennedy and Clinton did.  I thought what went on in a marriage was their business? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.3    last year
Wow he was on the radio, OMG!

Yep, memorable AM talk show shit with Howard Stern about how hot his daughter was...real class act.

Cheated like Kennedy and Clinton did. 

Cheated like Ike and no one cared. 

Also rumored, Washington, Jefferson, Harding ( proven ), FDR, Wilson, LBJ.

I thought....

Dangerous way to start a sentence...

later...

 
 
 
 
Sunshine
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5.2.5  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.4    last year

Keep digging with the insults, but really not a good look for you.

Democrats have divided the country more than almost anytime in our history.   Before he was even inaugurated Democrats where calling for Trump's impeachment.

The unity displayed by the Democrats and the Trump haters the last four years is just overwhelming. /s

Have a nice evening.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.5    last year
Democrats have divided the country more than almost anytime in our history. 

Funny, according to GOP history books, the Dems started and prosecuted the Civil War.

THAT is one hell of a divide to eclipse.

Have a nice evening.

Thanks, you too.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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5.2.7  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.6    last year

I guess you missed the word...almost.

Again, have a nice evening.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.2.7    last year

OK, you can have the last word.../s

 
 
 
Sunshine
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5.2.9  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.8    last year

Not my comment. 

So I didn't get the last word...lol

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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5.3  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @5    last year
At the time Donald Trump won the 2016 election , he was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. Of course people intended to oppose his presidency from Day One. 

Really?  Donald Trump had a real chance to win the 2020 election (and may still pull it out with challenges).

The 2020 election proves that everything Democrats have said about the 2016 election has been a bald faced lie.  Clinton lied.  Pelosi lied.  Schumer lied. Schiff lied.  Nadler lied.  Democrats lied and there isn't any way to gloss over those lies.

Don't disparage Trump supporters by repeating Democrat's lies.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @5.3    last year
At the time Donald Trump won the 2016 election , he was a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. Of course people intended to oppose his presidency from Day One.

Anyone who lived in the tri-state area around NYC always knew that to be true.

(and may still pull it out with challenges).

I hear SNL is looking for new comic material....

The 2020 election proves that everything Democrats have said about the 2016 election has been a bald faced lie.

nonsense.

Clinton lied.  Pelosi lied.  Schumer lied. Schiff lied.  Nadler lied.  Democrats lied and there isn't any way to gloss over those lies.

more nonsense, but history will probably show a mixture at some point in the future.

Don't disparage Trump supporters by repeating Democrat's lies.  

I don't see where JR has done that specifically and please don't tell other members what they can and can't say. 

That's not in your job description here.

 
 
 
JBB
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6  JBB    last year

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PJ
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6.1  PJ  replied to  JBB @6    last year

Currently there are approximately 70,806,515 citizens in the United States that are anti democracy, anti equality, anti trade, anti healthcare, anti facts, anti education, and anti science.   That's some pretty warped way of thinking.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.1  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  PJ @6.1    last year
That's some pretty warped way of thinking.

The expression of unity is heart warming.  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  PJ @6.1    last year

Quite the unity message there...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @6.1    last year
Currently there are approximately70,806,515citizens in the United States that are anti democracy, anti equality, anti trade, anti healthcare, anti facts, anti education, and anti science.   That's some pretty warped way of thinking.

Do you truly believe that bull?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  PJ @6.1    last year

Not really PJ,  some bought into the BS that Joe has dementia and Hunter will somehow be a burden on this next administration.

People believe shit, not in evidence, all the time.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.4    last year

I still think he has issues.  He is too old for this position. Trump was getting up there too. If he finishes out this term, he will be 81.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.6  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.4    last year
Not really PJ,  some bought into the BS that Joe has dementia

He is a drunk or a pill popper, could be hitting the cocaine like his son though.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.5    last year

Well I  couldn't get rid of Strom Thurmond for 20 years and no one, but no one cared that he served

( pretty well mind you )

until he was 100 years old.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.6    last year
He is a drunk or a pill popper, could be hitting the cocaine like his son though.  

You are all in on the foolishness today, aren't you? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.9  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.3    last year

There are many on the progressive left including some here who actually really do believe that

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.10  XXJefferson51  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.5    last year

actually he will have recently turned 82 if he does..

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.11  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.7    last year

being a senator is a lot easier than being retired.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.9    last year

Oh, I have absolutely no doubts about that, and could probably name a handful of them easily.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
6.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  PJ @6.1    last year
Currently there are approximately 70,806,515 citizens in the United States that are anti democracy

How can you vote and be anti-democracy? jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.13    last year
How can you vote and be anti-democracy?

Drivel doesn't ever make sense.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.1.15  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.7    last year

He was before my time and I would not have supported him, plus he was way too old.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @6.1.15    last year

Not for SC.  They re-elected him when he was 96 years old

still an unrepentant segregationist.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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6.1.17  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.16    last year

Perhaps, but what does that have to do with what I feel about it? Not others..

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.6    last year
He is a drunk or a pill popper, could be hitting the cocaine like his son though.  

And you disparage JR and question DP's credibility?

Your comments indicate that your attitude about unity is a farce, uncharitable at best.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.19  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.18    last year

So you defend their nasty comments here towards other members I suppose.

Must you attack members?  I would think a moderator would act better and set a good example.

Now the article isn't about me.  So comment on the article or move on.

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1.20  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.19    last year

Pot - Kettle

Your comment 2.3.4

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.21  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @6.1.20    last year

Is there something in the article you disagree with?

 
 
 
Veronica
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6.1.22  Veronica  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.21    last year

Lots, but you would fail to see the hypocrisy in your article & your accusations of others making it personal when one of your own comments was deleted due to making it personal.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.23  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Veronica @6.1.22    last year

Ok, so move on then and don't make it personal.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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6.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @6.1.19    last year
So you defend their nasty comments here towards other members I suppose.

No, but I can say that I haven't seen their "nasty" comments flagged either.

Must you attack members? 

When I choose to participate in a thread I AM a member.

I would think a moderator would act better and set a good example.

Believe me, I would be suspended 4 times a month if I was not a MOD. jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

Now the article isn't about me.

Your comments are fair game for everyone.

So comment on the article or move on.

See, my restraint just saved me a ticket, jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.1.25  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @6.1.24    last year

Well now your comments are just not making any sense.

Have a nice evening Split.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.2  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  JBB @6    last year

256

 
 
 
JBB
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6.2.1  JBB  replied to  Sunshine @6.2    last year

256

 
 
 
Sunshine
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6.2.2  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  JBB @6.2.1    last year

Have a nice day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @6.2    last year

Truly amazing, and what is equally amazing is the fact that they can't even recognize the hypocrisy!

 
 
 
Kathleen
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7  Kathleen    last year

Half the people in the country voted for Trump. Biden's got his work cut out for him. Everyone voted for whom they felt would be best for the country. Biden has an advantage, the media will be backing him up every step of the way. 

It's a fickle world we live in, I wish that people would stand back and take a hard look at some things that were accomplished, but they are too immature to realize it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @7    last year
they are too immature to realize it.

[Deleted.  Come on, John, don't make it personal.]

 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.1  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    last year

Whoa Nelly! Half of America didn't vote Trump! 256

 
 
 
Kathleen
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7.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    last year

Even though I don't agree with everything Trump said and did, I do have the ability to notice some of the things that he did that helped the country.

So John, who is acting like the mature one in this conversation?

Have a nice day.

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
7.1.3  Kathleen  replied to  JBB @7.1.1    last year

Real mature JBB

Have a nice day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @7.1.2    last year

Some people are so wrapped up in hate that they are blind to reality.

The calls for unity are nice, and I sure hope they materialize, but I have my doubts when people refuse to accept results of elections or are only interested in displaying their hatred.

Those kind of people are the same ones who think anyone who voted for Trump is a racist, so there simply is no reasoning with them because they lack the skills to reason themselves. Let them publicly display their hate--it is a reflection on them, not others.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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7.1.5  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.4    last year

I agree, it’s very evident.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @7.1.2    last year

What is it that tRump did to help the country other than himself and the already wealthy/very wealthy?

 
 
 
JBB
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7.2  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @7    last year

Biden got over four million more votes than Trump. Hillary Clinton got three million more votes but lost the Electoral College. Quit saying they are equal. Fifty two percent voted Democratic and forty eight percent voted for the gop. Do you really think that your minority should rule over is in our Democracy?

Trump was repudiated and no it was not even close!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.3  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Kathleen @7    last year
 but they are too immature to realize it.

So true.  I doubt we will see much of Biden.  He will not be as accessible as Trump was and will face little scrutiny.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @7.3    last year
I doubt we will see much of Biden.  He will not be as accessible as Trump

Thank God.

Biden is not a diseased narcissist so of course he wont be seen or heard in public 16 hours a day. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
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7.3.2  Kathleen  replied to  Sunshine @7.3    last year

We won’t be the only ones that will see it. : )

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Sunshine @7.3    last year
So true.  I doubt we will see much of Biden.  He will not be as accessible as Trump was and will face little scrutiny.

I expect that the press will be giving Biden a pass for at least 2 years--until the midterms.

If it helps to end the bitching on both sides, hurray! I don't have any high hopes for that, especially seeing how some are acting now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.1    last year
Biden is not a diseased narcissist so of course he wont be seen or heard in public 16 hours a day. 

Imagine, if you will, a world where someone is not SO obsessed with the President that they seek him out with virtually every waking moment.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.3.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.4    last year

Imagine a world where people dont support the worst president in US history by voting for him for a second term. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.5    last year

See, JR, that is all you ever do--degrade anyone who voted for Trump.

Please don't post any more bullshit about vbeing civil or united or anything like that again, as you prove daily you are only interested in hating the President and anyone who voted for him. That is a lot of hate, dude.

WTF are you going to be able to post about after Biden is sworn in? WTF will you be bitching about daily THEN?

I suspect you will be bitching about Trump for the next four years as you have the last four.

Sad he lives rent-free in your head like that. It appears the landlord is so ate up with Trump hatred that he doesn't even realize he has the sole power to end his tenancy.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.3.7  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.6    last year

[deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.3.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7.3.7    last year

What is shameful is that you seem to think anyone disagreeing with you or calling you out is a troll.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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7.3.9  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.4    last year

[deleted.] No one should be that obsessed with any politician. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
7.3.10  Kathleen  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.6    last year

I wish I could vote that up a 1,000 times.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @7.3.10    last year

jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.3.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7.3.6    last year

Bravo!  👏So very well said.  👍

 
 
 
Tacos!
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8  Tacos!    last year

It’s a fair criticism. It hasn’t been so long that I don’t remember the calls for faithless electors to reject the 2016 election results, or the people disrupting Republican town halls, all the Handmade Tale drama, boycotting of presidential addresses, or morons screaming at the sky. Not to mention non-stop investigations, impeachment talk, and on and on.

So it might be nice - since Democrats are so good at apologizing when they need votes - if Biden and others, while asking for unity, acknowledge that they did whatever the opposite of unity is for the last four years. That is, if they expect to be taken seriously. If they really are serious.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.1  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Tacos! @8    last year

Yes Tacos.  Need to be honest and own their own shit after tearing the country apart daily for years.  Good grief couldn't even wear a hat without harassments or eat in a restaurant.

We will not see the same hatred and nastiness from conservatives.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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8.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @8.1    last year
after tearing the country apart daily for years.

Wonderful objectiveness. /s

We will not see the same hatred and nastiness from conservatives.

You may yet have a career writing for SNL, keep up the good work.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.1.2  seeder  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @8.1.1    last year
keep up the good work.

I plan on it

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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8.1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sunshine @8.1    last year

That’s for sure!  

 
 
 
Sunshine
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9  seeder  Sunshine    last year

Locked for the night.  Have a good evening.

 
 
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