New York Times Quietly Retracts another bogus story

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 weeks ago  •  120 comments


New York Times Quietly Retracts another bogus story
“…on Wednesday, pro-Trump rioters attacked that citadel of democracy, overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, and struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials,” declared The New York Times. “With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support. He died Thursday evening.”

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On January 8th the New York Times published a story, based on unnamed sources, supposedly law enforcement, claiming that supporters of President Trump killed Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick’s with a fire extinguisher:

"Then on Wednesday,  pro-Trump rioters attacked that citadel of democracy , overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, and struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials. With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support. He died on Thursday evening."

https://archive.fo/Rxjvc#selection-541.0-545.257



That story helped elevate a riot into a narrative about an "insurrection." Other news organizations didn't bother to check out the story, but simply repeated it. It even was referred to by congressional democrats in their memorandum for the second impeachment of President Trump. The DC medical examiner has been strangely silent on the matter. Can we trust any local DC official?

CNN reported the following of Feb 3rd:


"According to one law enforcement official, medical examiners did not find signs that the officer sustained any blunt force trauma, so investigators believe that early reports that he was fatally struck by a fire extinguisher are not true."

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/brian-sicknick-charges/index.html





Here is the Times retraction:

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Cute. Claims, first used to create and inflame a narrative, are quietly taken down after the impeachment trial.

From the "newspaper" that prints opinion & distortion daily.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

"Yet, as early as the morning of January 8,  KHOU in Houston reported  that Sicknick had died from a stroke. "




 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 weeks ago

A stroke brought on by being beat to death.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    2 weeks ago
A stroke brought on by being beat to death.

That's truly unique. Death caused by stroke, caused by death by beating!


 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

The beating brought on the stroke leading to his death/murder by the former occupant of the White House and his mob.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

I see. The beating brought on the stroke. For a minute there, I thought you had him dying twice.

Can you give us a link to this info?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

Being beaten by the former occupant of the White House's mob would tend to be a catastrophic event leading to a stroke leading to his death, therefore, all who supported the former occupant of the White House and his mob, are complicit, are responsible for the Officer's death.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
1.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.4    2 weeks ago

Can you give us a link supporting your claim that a beating led to a stroke?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

Of course she can't.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
1.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

She can't ignore the question either!

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

I'm not the topic of your seed.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

That sounds strange coming from you.

Care to provide a link to your claim?  Yes or No?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.9    2 weeks ago

What's strange about it?  You and Greg are referring to me.  I'm not the topic of the seed.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
1.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.10    2 weeks ago
What's strange about it?

You can't point fingers after at others who do what you have done.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

Done what?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
1.1.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.12    2 weeks ago

Make comments personal.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

But mom, she started it!!!

Typical

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
1.1.15  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

wouldnt a beating leave evidence of blunt force trama of the type that is said not to have  been found?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
1.1.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

I would think so. Do you ever get the feeling the people in power keep stuff from us?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
1.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.15    2 weeks ago

'Blunt force trauma' appears to be the latest talking point regarding this man's death by the former occupant of the White House and his mob.

Whatever this man died from, it was brought on by this insurrectionist mob incited by the former occupant of the White House 'We're storming the Capitol' 'It's a Revolution'!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
1.1.18  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.16    2 weeks ago
Do you ever get the feeling the people in power keep stuff from us?

doesnt even have to be people in power Vic .people have been keeping things from others since humanity came into existance , it is hard wired into anything thats considered alive.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
1.1.19  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tessylo @1.1.17    2 weeks ago

Your entitled to your opinion , whats is making people all harpy and banshee like is they cannot make others agree with their opinions or positions , welcome to humanity.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.18    2 weeks ago
doesnt even have to be people in power Vic

Yes, I recall that is sometimes a female affliction as well.


people have been keeping things from others since humanity came into existance , it is hard wired into anything thats considered alive.

It just burns a little more when it comes from someone who promised to always tell us the truth.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
1.1.21  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.20    2 weeks ago
It just burns a little more when it comes from someone who promised to always tell us the truth.

making it sound like a norman rockwell picture , like the kid finding the santa suit in his dads dresser.....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.22  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.21    2 weeks ago

With the national anthem playing in the background.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2  Thomas    2 weeks ago

Look, the New York Times actually prints retractions! I doubt that the impeachment trial had much to do with the timing of the retraction.  Besides, I don't see a retraction from FOX every time one of their golden boys blatantly lies and distorts the truth. It would take more time than there are hours in a day. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Thomas @2    2 weeks ago

What lies and distortions? We'll wait for your list.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    2 weeks ago

Take your pick of any Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity show. They lie daily and provably so. If one checks what they are saying against reality, this fact becomes abundantly clear. 

We'll wait for your list.

Do your own homework. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2.2  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @2    2 weeks ago

The "Bash Fox" article must be that-a-way!jrSmiley_113_smiley_image.pngjrSmiley_113_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago

What does the death of Sicknick have to do with 43 Republican Senators voting to acquit Donald Trump for reasons that have nothing to do with Sicknick or the January 6th insurrection at all?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 weeks ago

Is that a question or a diversion? How each Senator voted has nothing to do with a false story from the New York Times. I might add, it was another false story that created another useful narrative for the left.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 weeks ago

Back at ya. What does the 43 Senators who voted to acquit Mr. Trump have to do with the death of Mr. Sicknick? You know. The topic........................

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    2 weeks ago

Which of the two is more important to you?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Guide
3.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

The untimely death of Mr. Sicknick and the truth about the events leading up to it. You?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

Being beaten to death led to Officer Sicknick's death or should I say being murdered tends to lead to death.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

What is the truth about the events leading up to the untimely death of Mr. Sicknick?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.3    2 weeks ago

Could you give us a link showing the cause of death?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.4    2 weeks ago
What is the truth about the events leading up to the untimely death of Mr. Sicknick?

The New York Times lied about it. The DC medical examiner won't say.  What have you heard, Buzz?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.3    2 weeks ago
Being beaten to death led to Officer Sicknick's death

So he was beaten to death only to subsequently die AGAIN. 

Sorry but your comment makes no sense

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
3.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2    2 weeks ago

"What does the 43 Senators who voted to acquit Mr. Trump have to do with the death of Mr. Sicknick?"

They were complicit in the Capitol insurrection so they are also responsible for his death along with the former occupant of the White House and his mob.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.8    2 weeks ago
They were complicit in the Capitol insurrection so they are also responsible for his death

You do realize that the vote took place weeks after the events at the Capitol right? Just what involvement did they have?

along with the former occupant of the White House and his mob.

No and no

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.8    2 weeks ago

You mean it's kind of a circular argument?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.9    2 weeks ago

Just because it took place weeks later, doesn't mean they weren't complicit in supporting of the former occupant of the White House and inciting his mob, THEY WERE.  

Yes and Yes

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.10    2 weeks ago

On your end . . . . 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.2.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.11    2 weeks ago
Just because it took place weeks later, doesn't mean they weren't complicit in supporting of the former occupant of the White House and inciting his mob, THEY WERE.

As they all ran from the breech................did they leave notes/instructions? Just HOW did they support the "mob"?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.2.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.6    2 weeks ago

Nothing.  This is the first I've heard about it.  I don't read the New York Times.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.14    2 weeks ago

Are you sure?  Over where you are it might be referred to as "The People's Daily"

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.2.16  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

The fuckin' truth is what's important to us.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.2.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.15    2 weeks ago

I don't read "The People's Daily" either.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.2.18  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.16    2 weeks ago
"The fuckin' truth is what's important to us."

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Texan1211
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3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 weeks ago
What does the death of Sicknick have to do with 43 Republican Senators voting to acquit Donald Trump for reasons that have nothing to do with Sicknick or the January 6th insurrection at all?  

NOT A SINGLE THING, SO WHY ARE YOU DEFLECTING FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND????????????????????????

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3    2 weeks ago

Deflect?  I thought I'd try posting similar comments to those that reply to mine for a change.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
3.3.2  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.3.1    2 weeks ago

R-i-g-h-t.

I am sure THAT is what you were thinking when you attempted to derail the conversation.

Just curious, did you read the article?

If not, at least THAT would be a plausible excuse for not knowing what the topic is.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
3.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @3.3.2    2 weeks ago

IMPASSE

 
 
 
Tacos!
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3.4  Tacos!  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 weeks ago
What does the death of Sicknick have to do with 43 Republican Senators voting to acquit Donald Trump for reasons that have nothing to do with Sicknick or the January 6th insurrection at all?

Trump was literally on trial because of the events of January 6th. They have everything to do with it. It was, in part, the reporting of those events that generated the outrage, which led to impeachment. As you see from this seed, at least one very dramatic component of that story was false. This particular bit of fiction was submitted for the jury's consideration at his trial. I certainly hope you don't support the idea of anyone being convicted based on false information.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @3.4    2 weeks ago

Of COURSE I don't support the idea of anyone being convicted based on false information.  I support a person being convicted by those who have sworn to provide a just decision based on the preponderance of evidence placed before them, not those who cowardly hide behind an alleged technicality that has been pooh-poohed by countless legal scholars.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

So a 42 year old man healthy enough to function as a front line police officer had a stroke out of the blue for no other reason than that it was his time to go. Why didnt everyone think of that on January 7th? 

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That story helped elevate a riot into a narrative about an "insurrection." Other news organizations didn't bother to check out the story, but simply repeated it. It even was referred to by congressional democrats in their memorandum for the second impeachment of President Trump.

I've seen a lot of absurd rationalizations but this is right up there. 

I don't think that the NYT has issued a "retraction" in this story.  This is what a NYT retraction looks like

An article on Sunday about contact between Erik Prince and spies associated with Project Veritas misstated the age of Marisa Jorge, a Project Veritas operative. She is 25, not 23. A headline with the article misstated the origin of information about Erik Prince’s role in recruiting a former spy to help infiltrate a local teachers union. As the article stated, the information came from source interviews, not documents in a lawsuit.

This is how todays story about Brian Sicknick reads

UPDATE: New information has emerged regarding the death of the Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by officials close to the Capitol Police.

Thats not a retraction. 

And the original headline on the Times story still stands

He Dreamed of Being a Police Officer, Then Was Killed by a Pro-Trump Mob

Perhaps the New York Times should demand a retraction from the writer of this Newstalkers article. 

The bottom line though, is that it is inexplicable how anyone would think all this makes what Trump did was any less worthy of impeachment or the mob was any less violent. There are many videos of them being violent. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago
So a 42 year old man healthy enough to function as a front line police officer had a stroke out of the blue for no other reason than that it was his time to go.

So you think the cause of death was obvious?  Funny, because I notice many here don't like conclusions based on what's obvious. How about a formal cause of death?  Better still how about our grand old legacy "newspaper" wait until they had some facts, instead of feeding us more BS from unnamed sources.


I don't think that the NYT has issued a "retraction" in this story.  

They are sticking with the fire extinguisher story?  Maybe we should let them know. (They even backed off on the claim that it came from two law enforcement officials)


And the original headline on the Times story still stands

Not according to Marc Santora, Megan Specia or Mike Baker. They claim they have "new information" for us, as in THEY LIED!

BTW, How many headlines on this story?




Perhaps the New York Times should demand a retraction from the writer of this Newstalkers article. 

This writer called it. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    2 weeks ago

I think it is fair to say that you don't get it.  The New York Times did not retract their story because the original story was not a mistake on their part, but was based on information they were given by the police department. They have nothing to retract . They updated the story based on new information. 

The more troubling thing though is that you seem to think this gives some cover to Trump and the rioters, which is not the case at all. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
The New York Times did not retract their story because the original story was not a mistake on their part, but was based on information they were given by the police department. They have nothing to retract . They updated the story based on new information. 

You are really going to try and argue that?  John, why not just admit that it is what it is? They did what they have been doing for 4 years - putting out distortions to create narratives.

Here is what the Times initially said:

 “Mr. Sicknick, 42, an officer for the Capitol Police, died on Thursday from brain injuries he sustained after Trump loyalists who overtook the complex struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher, according to two law enforcement officials.”

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
"The more troubling thing though is that you seem to think this gives some cover to Trump and the rioters, which is not the case at all."
Isn't that what's called a circular argument or outright nonsense?

Indeed, this update changes nothing, yet they act like it does.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

The only distortions to further narratives are on your end  . . . . .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

They didnt need to create a "narrative", the rioters and Trump did that. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.5    2 weeks ago

Evidently they felt the riot wasn't enough. They needed at least one cop killed by the rioters to elevate the story.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

Elevate the story?  The truth of the Officer being beat to death??????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
The truth of the Officer being beat to death??????

You keep saying that, but you can't prove it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

It's true.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Funny pro Pacifica reported  the the day after the riot after talking to sicknick’s brother that that sicknick said he wasn’t hurt at  the riot and that sicknicks brother was told he died of a stroke.  The information was out there.

Yet the times reported he was beaten to death by a fire extinguisher and the house impeachment managers submitted article as “evidence”.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Prove it!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Tessy is doing a great job demonstrating how these made up narratives stick with the public no matter how much actual evidence comes out to rebut the false premise.

She’s destroyed johns argument for him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 weeks ago
Evidently they felt the riot wasn't enough. They needed at least one cop killed by the rioters to elevate the story.

There is at least an hour of compelling video of the riot that indicates what was happening there. The dead cop is just a small part of it. 150 or so cops were injured, some of them hospitalized. 

By your reasoning, now that Mitch McConnell knows Sicknick wasnt hit in the head with a fire extinguisher he will immediately retract every thing he said about Trump being practically and morally responsible for the riot.  Sure. /s

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.14  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.13    2 weeks ago
By your reasoning

By my reasoning the New York Times promotes propaganda and they should be banned from MBFC and this site.

How's that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
4.1.15  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.14    2 weeks ago

lol. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

I'm not the topic of this seed.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.17  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.16    2 weeks ago

The topic is the New York Times lying about the death of a police officer.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.18  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.17    2 weeks ago

Then stop making it about me.  

Also, they didn't lie, they updated their story.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
4.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.18    2 weeks ago
they didn't lie,

They said he "died on Thursday from brain injuries he sustained after Trump loyalists who overtook the complex struck him in the head with a fire extinguisher."

That was a lie.



they updated their story.  

And what is it now?

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Guide
4.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
the original story was not a mistake on their part, but was based on information they were given by the police department

I would think that if the information was actually coming from the police department, it wouldn't have been credited anonymously. The story would have been "according to Capitol Police spokesperson [insert name]." This was another in a long line of vague unnamed sources.

It's convenient because when it turns out later the story is bullshit, there is no one to blame.

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
4.1.21  Thomas  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

More manufactured outrage, just as Trump always loved. 

The story still stands. It was not retracted, but it was updated

Then on Wednesday,   pro-Trump rioters attacked that citadel of democracy   and overpowered Mr. Sicknick, 42, according to two law enforcement officials. With a bloody gash in his head, Mr. Sicknick was rushed to the hospital and placed on life support. He died on Thursday evening.

Law enforcement officials initially said Mr. Sicknick was struck with a fire extinguisher, but weeks later, police sources and investigators were at odds over whether he was hit. Medical experts have said he did not die of blunt force trauma, according to one law enforcement official.

Instead, investigators increasingly believe that a factor may have been an irritant such as mace or bear spray that was sprayed in the face of Mr. Sicknick, the law enforcement official said. The Capitol Police said in a statement that Officer Sicknick died from injuries sustained “while physically engaging with protesters.”

The fact is that Mr. Sicknick most probably died as a direct result of the attack. I do not think that is in dispute. The bloody gash in his head is still mentioned in the story. Was that not somehow related to the story?  It matters not that he died after the attack or that his death was not directly due to a blunt force trauma. The man is dead as a result of the attack. As are the others. Your tap dancing on his grave because the NYTimes had to update their article hardley makes that any less of a tragedy and in no way absolves any of the rioters or their apologists.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.1.22  Tessylo  replied to  Thomas @4.1.21    2 weeks ago
"More manufactured outrage, just as Trump always loved."

That's all his supporters appear to have 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
4.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @4.1.21    2 weeks ago

No one here is apologizing for the rioters or their actions.

No one is absolving them for anything.

Some of us are questioning the Times for its shoddy reporting.

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
4.1.24  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.23    2 weeks ago

Shoddy reporting? They got everything in the story correct except the one detail, (which was confirmed by more than one source) and they printed an update to correct that detail. That sounds like good practice to me. The correction timing seems coincidental to me, and Vic's article seems closely mirrored to those of and the trackback

Like so many fake news stories about Donald Trump and his supporters, millions of Americans believe the Sicknick story as truth; even a correction won’t change their minds.

Probably because it shouldn't change their minds. They got the essential story correct except for one detail, and that detail they corrected.  

What I was taking issue with is the way that certain members of this forum take a correction and scream, "It was a Lie! The leftist media lies! Burn Her! She's a witch!" and then make up or spread a story about that change that fits their own political narrative. Usually, with a little bit of research, one can expose this narrative as hyperbolic, and for the most part, untrue. The veritable tempest in the teapot. 

Corrections are part of good journalism: They show that the authors and editors are conscientious and make efforts, even after the fact, to make sure that they are reporting the story correctly.  Now, with that said, most news outlets do not make these changes as prominent as they once did. There should be an accounting for newspapers, radio, TV internet media based on the frequency of publication. This accounting should be prominently displayed. I am not holding my breath.

As for the AG article, I think that the author states it best when she says:

The truth in all matters related to Donald Trump is only of secondary concern, if at all.
 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
4.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Thomas @4.1.24    2 weeks ago
Shoddy reporting?

Yes.

Please don't quote others' posts to me as if I stated those things. Argue what I write with me and what others write to them.

Thanks!

 
 
 
Thomas
Freshman Guide
4.1.26  Thomas  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.25    2 weeks ago

Well, it was all related topically, and it wasn't a member of this forum whom I quoted. I thought that was obvious from positioning. It was all cogent to the discussion at hand and my original response was to VIc. 

Your Welcome!

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
4.2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago
So a 42 year old man healthy enough to function as a front line police officer had a stroke out of the blue for no other reason than that it was his time to go.

My healthy, 39 year old brother (6'3" and muscular, going to school for radiology) just passed away in his sleep a few weeks ago. Nothing found on his autopsy, nothing found on lab results from tissue and blood samples.

Strokes can be caused by many things... there are plenty of cops that have high blood pressure, but are still healthy enough to be cops. High BP can be caused by lots of things... if he had higher than should be cholesterol, a blood clot could've formed and caused a stroke. I'm just throwing out examples; I don't know the cause and don't claim as such.

 
 
 
Tacos!
PhD Guide
4.3  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago
So a 42 year old man healthy enough to function as a front line police officer had a stroke out of the blue for no other reason than that it was his time to go.

Yeah. It happens. I've seen it. Many strokes - particularly in younger, healthier people - are idiopathic (meaning they don't know what caused it).

The cop texted his brother that night. He told him he'd been hit with pepper spray a couple of times during the chaos, but he felt fine. Later, he died. This has actually been known since at least January 8.

He didn't say anything about being beaten. No one has reported seeing signs of a beating on his head or body.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @4.3    2 weeks ago

So you're a Medical Examiner now?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Guide
4.3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

Pardon me but aren't you the one who has evaluated the situation fully and arrived at his cause of death? Some of your posts seem to indicate that as your stance.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
4.4  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @4    2 weeks ago
So a 42 year old man healthy enough to function as a front line police officer had a stroke out of the blue for no other reason than that it was his time to go.

I dont know , what i do know is i have worked recently with some i would consider "kids" because they are 20 years younger than me (59 here), that have developed problems from chugging energy drinks , and high caffine  containing things such as that 8 hr energy boost crap or living on coffee and Mnt dew and have been doing so for a long time if not years since they started working. and in the oil and gas patches or on the rigs , thats common and every day , thing is that stuff catches up to you.

 last one i worked with during beet harvest in oct , was 35 and had a heart condition because of it and its doubtful he will ever go back to work as a full dot certed cdl driver.

 hell at 59 , im still healthy enough to serve as a front line police officer if i so chose , but thats no longer my thing , i got being a cop out of my system when i was a lot younger.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

New Capitol Video Shows Trump Mob Beating Face-Down Officer

CAPITOL SIEGE NEW VIDEO SHOWS OFFICER BEATEN ... By Trump Insurrectionists

1/10/2021 12:35 PM PT

Storyful

The moment the   Trump   mob was strong-arming its way into the Capitol can now be seen from a new, frightening view -- where a fallen police officer getting pummeled on the ground.

Check out this gruesome clip of insurrectionists breaking into an opening on a side entrance to the building, which was being guarded by a line of cops in tactical gear ... one of whom ended up laid out on the ground, face first ... right at the feet of rioters.

The crowd showed him no mercy ... immediately trampling him, bludgeoning him with objects and projectiles, dragging him down the steps they were storming -- pretty much having their way with his limp body as his colleagues tried pulling him away.

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There's even an overhead shot of the scene, and it's absolutely surreal. You hear someone off-camera yell, "Get that motherf***** out of there! Take him out!"

Now, there've been rumors this officer might've been the one who was killed -- Officer   Brian Sicknick , who   died from injuries   he sustained during the siege -- but that has NOT been confirmed. Some social media users say this officer is actually with Metro D.C., not Capitol Police, but again ... we haven't been able to confirm.

Whether this was Sicknick or not - the stroke was absolutely caused by the insurrection

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5    2 weeks ago
but that has NOT been confirmed. Some social media users say this officer is actually with Metro D.C., not Capitol Police, but again ... we haven't been able to confirm.

That says it all.

Where is the cause of death, Tess?

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    2 weeks ago

The former occupant of the White House and his mob - that's your cause of death, right there!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.1    2 weeks ago

Obviously, you've tried to fit that in. Unfortunately, we are discussing America's legacy "newspaper" becoming a myth maker.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    2 weeks ago

You mean the truth?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.3    2 weeks ago
You mean the truth?

The lie that has been exposed as a lie.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.4    2 weeks ago

What lie?  Since when is an update to a story, a lie????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
5.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.5    2 weeks ago
Since when is an update to a story, a lie????

When the original story was reported as fact, not speculation or rumor! 

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.6    2 weeks ago

The original story was factual, the update also

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
6  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

The Fishwrap of Record has proven that journalistic "standards" are anything BUT standards.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @6    2 weeks ago

MBFC says they're just left of center, that's all!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
7  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

I guess we can conclude this sad story by declaring that a "newspaper" which egregiously exploited a man’s untimely death to score political points against a man they hate, has yet to be held accountable.

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7    2 weeks ago

Your conclusion is incorrect

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
PhD Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    2 weeks ago

Tragically, millions of Americans already believe the original story as truth

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
8.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @8    2 weeks ago

There are no lies to be found in the original story or the update.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
9  Texan1211    2 weeks ago

It is rather funny that the Times couldn't be bothered to check out the original story BEFORE publishing their lies.

I wonder if the Times will say that the doctors who spoke to Sicknick's family were all liars?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

The New York Times did nothing wrong as regards this story. They reported Sicknick's cause of death as relayed to them by police sources. 

Hence, they have an "update" now and not a retraction. 

This incessant whining by the political right, which has exploded since Trump lost the election, is beyond anything imaginable before Trump took office. He has degenerated the entire right wing media-sphere. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Guide
10.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 weeks ago
hey reported Sicknick's cause of death as relayed to them by police sources. 

And they ignored his family's published statements contradicting the anonymous sources until the impeachment was over. 

IT's not okay to run fake stories because they come from anonymous sources.  Do you ever get tired of being manipulated by these lies?  Think how many times during the Russia investigation the liberal media breathlessly hyped lies based on anonymous sources only to have to quietly retract them later. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1    2 weeks ago

The New York Times is hardly the only source that reported Sicknick's death by fire extinguisher. I bet you there are some conservative publications that did so too. 

To say you and Vic and others are making a big deal out of nothing is putting it mildly. Should we get into all the false reporting by right wing media?  It is encyclopedic in scope. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1    2 weeks ago
IT's not okay to run fake stories because they come from anonymous sources. 

Oh, it's okay if you're the Fishwrap of Record and your dedicated sycophants hang on every word you publish as the truth, even when it clearly is not.

 
 
 
JBB
PhD Principal
10.1.3  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.1    2 weeks ago

They have to keep their righteous indignation finely tuned and therefore stories like this.

This retraction might have been worth noting but it certainly does not justify hair on fire...

Out of power all they have is impotent rage they have to express by kvetching about whatever is their daily outrage.

It could have been AOC or the unions.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

JR claims that there was no retraction.

Maybe ya'll should get your arguing points in order!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @10.1.3    2 weeks ago

It is getting worse every day. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Junior Guide
10.1.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @10.1.3    2 weeks ago
Out of power all they have is impotent rage they have to express by kvetching about whatever is their daily outrage.

Oh the irony ....................

 
 
 
MAGA
Senior Guide
10.1.7  MAGA  replied to  Sean Treacy @10.1    2 weeks ago

They use sensationalism to go for the initial desired effect and only much later file a barely noticed retraction.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
10.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

How was it 'barely noticed' if this article was posted?  It wasn't a retraction, it was an update.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
10.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  MAGA @10.1.7    2 weeks ago

And they can't even agree amongst themselves whether it was a retraction or not!

Simple fact is the original story was wrong. Period.

Any attempts to say otherwise is just silliness and refusal to accept reality.

But we already knew that, right?

 
 
 
Baron Creek
Sophomore Participates
11  Baron Creek    2 weeks ago

Correct me if I am wrong. If a couple of thieves break into a person's home and that person has a heart attack, due to stress and dies... that is considered felony-murder, even if no physical assault took place. I think this is federal law and law in many states. 

Correct me if I am wrong, but all the deaths surrounding the felonies of 1-6-2021 and persons committing the felonies, are subject to these charges, even the death of the woman shot by the police. The manner of their deaths become irrelevant as it would be judged that none would have died without the felonies being committed. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
11.1  Texan1211  replied to  Baron Creek @11    2 weeks ago

Here is what I found:

Can a heart attack be classified as a homicide?
Situations in which a victim dies of a heart attack as the result of a crime are not classified as criminal homicide. A heart attack cannot, in fact, be caused at will by an offender.
www.justia.com/criminal/docs/uniform-crime-reporting-ha…
And:
Can a heart attack be caused by an offender?
A heart attack cannot, in fact, be caused at will by an offender. Even in instances where an individual is known to have a weak heart, there is no assurance that an offender can cause sufficient emotional or physical stress to guarantee that the victim will suffer a fatal heart attack.
www.justia.com/criminal/docs/uniform-crime-reporting-ha…
 
 
 
Baron Creek
Sophomore Participates
11.1.1  Baron Creek  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1    2 weeks ago

 
 
 
Tessylo
PhD Principal
11.2  Tessylo  replied to  Baron Creek @11    2 weeks ago

You're correct.  The Officer died as a result of the former occupant of the White House and his mob's brutal attack.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
Professor Principal
12  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

Oh, it was a stroke.  Well that changes everything.  /s

What’s next?  Were they actually chanting “Thank Mike Pence!”

 
 
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