What will they do with Vaccine Passports?
I am happy to say that I'm a beneficiary of the Trump Vaccine. That vaccine was developed in record time. Normally, it could take up to 5 years for vaccine development, as it is put through the FDA's long, time consuming processes, including the exploratory stage, clinical trials, and quality control. The vaccines we are using didn't get the normal approval. These vaccines are approved for emergency use. The current pandemic was extremely deadly and fortunately, enough pressure was placed on the FDA to cut through a lot of the red tape. I'm proud to say that I've had both of my shots. My family & friends have also been vaccinated.
That being said, we now have the concept of "vaccine passports" being issued for travel and other purposes. There are a few questions that need answering. The first involves stigmatizing those who refuse to take the vaccine. There are people, for various reasons, who have decided to wait or simply declined to take it. Those reasons may involve having had the disease and being able to survive it with antibodies. In that case they wouldn't need it. Other people have physical limitations that do not allow inoculation, and others have religious and moral objections. A vaccine passport would seem to be a way of bullying or ostracizing these people. Do we really need to take away their right to decide?
Then, of course, there is one other concern: What is big government going to do with the information?
Didn't we learn our lesson with the Patriot Act? That was the law that was meant to protect Americans after 9/11. It was unusual powers given to the federal government, meant to be used against foreign enemies. I myself, thought it was a good idea at the time. Along came Barack Obama and we witnessed it's use against innocent American citizens. Who can be trusted with such information/power? Could we ever again trust our untouchable blue state governors like Andrew Cuomo? The governor is responsible for how many nursing home deaths? He also has women coming out of the woodwork alleging sexual harassment and all of us must know by now that he isn't going anywhere.
So why give them such power in the first place?
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She said "That's to give you something to think about."
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No.
The big question needing answered first before giving consent to to proceeding along this path.
another question we must all agree on before doing this.
they must answer all our concerns and have an irrevocable sunset clause before us even considering It as a possible option.
Who is the she you refer too?
You don't know her. Just a woman who liked sexting. I asked her why she sent a pic to me. That was her answer.
TMI. Who cares if she sexted you?
SP was curious about it. See above post # 1.2.
And I needed a good quote.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with ANYTHING
I agree...
They should be stigmatized, embarrassed and held out as the un-American idiots they are. Their refusal to take the vaccine leads to more American deaths and an increased timeline before COVID is finally dealt with. (Note: this excludes people who are UNABLE to take the vaccine for medical purposes.)
Information that the government already has? Everyone who has gotten the vaccine has already been entered into a database, that's why they stop calling you to get your vaccine after you already received it.
Hoped we did, but we elected another Republican POTUS afterwards, so I guess we didn't.
Who can be trusted with information they already have? Kind of a moot point.
Despite all the fear mongering, vaccine passports, which don't exist currently, are intended to allow businesses access to certain, limited, personal medical information for the safety of other. Whether or not you have received the vaccine is covered under HIPPAA, but in some cases, that information will be needed in certain, limited cases to endure the continued health and wellbeing of others that will be near you.
And again, your doctor has already noted whether or not you have received the vaccine, it is already on your record.
As an accountant, I can tell you that the federal government knows everything about you, that they already need. Now from birth, your SS number is all they need. This is just proof for travel.
Any business that's hurting because there business relies on mass gatherings like concert venues and cruse lines are looking into ways to use this to their advantage. And they should.
One of government's primary jobs is the protection of its citizens.
We got used to being frisked every time we get on an airplane, providing evidence that we are not carrying a deadly pathogen may be the next "new normal" that we will have to learn to accept.
Since you mentioned Trump in the article by name that means that he and your assertions about him are fair game for debate. You also mentioned yourself in the article. The same reasoning would seem to apply.
The Covid-19 vaccines came about through several channels and are not the exclusive property or boasting rights of Trump or his silly devotees. But you keep calling it the Trump vaccine because it provides others with humorous respite. Bless your heart.
There is mounting scientific evidence that the vaccine increases your bodies defenses even better than having the disease itself. If one is objecting to taking the vaccine simply because one is distrustful of the science behind the vaccine or thinks that it is some government plot... just shut up and get the vaccine. It really is too bad that there is no vaccine for stupid conspiracy theories. If, one has fears of an allergic reaction that would be altogether different and there are different vaccines that may address that concern. Consult with a physician. Please!
For those who cannot get the vaccine, then it would seem that a negative test result within a certain timeframe would be acceptable in lieu of a "passport". And, really, any talk that I have heard has been just that, talk. But I don't really care one way or the other.
Not much.
Hahahahahahahaha! The NSA is what you should be worried about. The Patriot Act was a bad idea from the get go, and was used for abuse against Americans before the presidency of Barack Obama. How you get from a little piece of paper that says you have been vaccinated to the Patriot Act is quite astonishing.
The nursing home deaths have not been proven to be his responsibility. He put the rule into effect and the nursing homes were supposed to take the people back only if they had the facilities to properly quarantine the returning residents. The fact that he tried to cover up some of the deaths is unfortunate, but has as of yet to be linked to the order. I believe that the overall reason for most of the infections is still thought to be the result of infected health care workers coming and going, not the presence of infected residents passing it between one another.
Sucks to be him. Sucks to be any of the alleging individuals. Someday we might break free of the fishbowl dynamics brought about by our Victorian era sexual morals mixed in with 21st century ideas of freedom. We seem to be bouncing back and forth between the two with little chance of landing anywhere sane soon.
What power? To whom? The governor will be taken down by the same people that put him there in a "live by the sword, die by the sword" type of deal. The emergency special powers have been rescinded. I don't really see the vaccine passprot as being much more than it is, a piece of paper.
First off: to exclude people from activities based on vaccination status.
To whom?
The federal government. And far worse:
I have to admit, I find the thought of the Chinese government administering any type of social program in the name of "Helping out" other countries to be hilarious. No offense, but what makes you think that anyone, outside of the Chinese government, would think that handing personal data to them was in any way a good idea?
China: "Hey! We are really good at monitoring minutia!"
Everyone else: "We know! That is why you can't do it to us..."
To exclude people from activities based on vaccination status would be up to the operator of the activity. Operators have a responsibility to their customers and employees to provide a reasonably safe environment. Someone who has not been vaccinated must therefore go further to show that they are not contagious or will not infect others at the time of the activity to prevent spread, at least until the pandemic has been quelled. It still has not been. Just a few more months and, at least for most of the US, it should be.
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We the people dont show papers to travel or eat out. And we never will. As it should be...
Only the nazi's require people show papers to travel
So. That explains why the left loves the idea....
NYET!
Bullshit. When travelling you show your ticket, you show your passport. Just try getting on a plane without a boarding pass and a photo ID.
What's wrong? Mad because some businesses don't want you or your money if you can't show that you are not at risk of spreading COVID? Piss off. Righty-tighties should be agreeing with the businesses that want to control their clientele like the Masterpiece Cakeshop in Colorado did. You just want to have your cake and eat it too.
And communists...Great post!
So do you think one should be required to show photo ID in order to vote?
We dont show papers to eat out or travel in the usa. And never will.
But we do know why the left loves the idea.
It's not a Trump vaccine, it a COVID vaccine.
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No vaccine has ever been named after a politician.
This one has
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There are many Psychosomatic medicines already available.
They need one that can get FDA approval.
How do I get on the waiting list for that one?
The more pressing need is for a vaccine for Biden.
I commented that it was not a Trump vaccine but a COVID vaccine which is the truth. How is that trolling Vic, you are the one that called in a Trump vaccine?
So you can't or won't answer the question, typical of you.
Yup
Indeed it is. The Trump vaccine!
Try to square that circle.
I quit reading the article after that line.
Then why are you commenting here?
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Funny
You want to make an issue of him getting the vaccine he attributes to the President who made it being available now possible?
You want to try that again?
No. It was clear enough as written.
"What is big government going to do with the information?"
Study it for the next pandemic comes to mind without mental gymnastics.
I really don't have a huge problem with a vaccine passport. As pointed out above, the federal government already has this information so it's not like they are getting a lot of new info and that shiny new 5g chip that was inserted with the vaccine gives them the ability to track us anyway... /s
However, if Washington does push out a so-called vaccine password (and can somehow keep people from being ridiculed) then there is really no standing to not have a federal standard for photo ID for voting.
I have been pushing for a federal standard instead of a patchwork of state laws.
Except for the fact that voting is still in the state's domain and not the federal government. There are a lot of changes that would need to be done to put the feds in charge.
But honest question, if you are for the federal government setting the standards are you also in favor of how the new Georgia law allows the state to set standards over the counties?
In this day and age, the idea of separate state rights is almost laughable.
Same to me that there should not be a patchwork of gun laws state to state.
As far as I know, states already had control over counties.
I'd say it's ridiculous. A federal standard is indeed the way to go. Not this state by state 'patchwork' as you say
Might have to modify the 10th Amendment to pass this. I still believe in states rights, but you are correct in that the federal government runs roughshod over the states almost every chance it gets.
As far as states over counties, isn't that part of the argument over the new Georgia laws that the state commission can override the counties.
I just think that the idea of state rights is ridiculous. What right could a state want or need over other states...
What I can gather the argument was about the legislature now being able to fire and replace election officials. They still had control over how it was run.
Where did Ender state that the "federal government runs roughshod over the states almost every chance it gets"? Don't see it.
They have tried. Even you know who tried when he was threatening California. I just think it is moot when everything ends up going through the judicial and is decided anyway.
The feds do not have that power and will not be getting it any time soon.
Getting a vaccine passport would require proof of identity just like voter ID and that is racist from what I hear.
So you agree with a national ID card to vote...
Good for you.
No, you're incorrect, as usual.
Says who?
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LOL
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No one cares whoever the fuck you are!
Is that you XMDM9M?
Why that scares people I don't get...
So you're expatingb right? You logged off and then he logged on. Sockpuppets?
Fear has nothing to do with it. Our federal govt does not have that kind of power and there is no way 3/4 of the states will give that power to the feds via an amendment.
But seriously all that matters little as just like a grown man can self identify as a female other people can self identify as vaccinated and/or immune.
It's a brave new world.
No. But thanks for the laugh.
"But seriously all that matters little as just like a grown man can self identify as a female other people can self identify as vaccinated and/or immune."
WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING re-reg?
That's what I thought re-reg/banned member of NT
Again, what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?
It certainly does when people are so adamant against it.
Not a thing. Like I said, sounds like fear. Fear of people voting, fear of trans people, fear of a vaccine....
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You seem so familiar though!
They think nothing thru they only attack others.
That is nothing compared to the left's fear of liberty and lack of control over others.
You're well versed in the practice of deflection, projection and denial. Very familiar.
Projection be thy name.
LOL
I'm starting to see the value of that ignore button.. glad I found that. It cleans up the site quite nice.
Ignored is now your name also.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Yes!
Some kind of vaccine record has some real utility in the short term. A year or two from now, I would hope it wouldn’t be necessary.
All the restrictions we have been enduring have been to prevent spread of a deadly disease. If you’re going to intentionally be the one person on your street who can still spread the disease, but you’re going to complain about not having the same freedoms as people who got vaccinated, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for you.
I think any stigma will be directly related to the reason for not being vaccinated. If your reason is dumb, expect people to give you grief for it. Some people are waiting because they are afraid of side-effects or an allergic reaction. I think those are not unreasonable concerns. However, the number of people who have had the shot is now over 62 million in the United States and it hasn’t killed anyone yet. If that’s not good enough for you, your standards might be too high.
Some people will be allergic, but there is probably no way to know that until you get the shot. Any place giving the shot should be requiring you to sit around for 15 minutes to see if you react, and they should also have something like an epi-pen available. So you should be fine. Even so, you will still have vaccine in you doing its job.
I think that’s a fair point, although I believe the CDC is recommending getting the vaccine anyway. I don’t know why, though. I’m not aware of any science that shows the vaccine is more effective at staving off reinfection than getting your antibodies the old fashioned way. Perhaps there could be some kind of serology/antibody passport for those people.
I’m sorry, but at the risk of being too judgmental, I think these people are idiots. I don’t think any real religion - other than Christian Scientists (aka lunatics), I suppose - have express prohibitions against vaccines. And I can’t fathom why it would be immoral. If these people are going to marginalized for a while, they are just going to have to live with it.
Can't stop other countries from requiring vaccine passports but that whole idea is dead before arrival in the usa
The govenor of Texas just terminated any attempts of creating or requiring vaccine passports in this state. More states will follow.
God bless Texas.
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Our idiots are bigger than yours here in Tex-Ass!
Right in my passport wallet is a card provide by the US Government which indicates:
All of my vaccinations since 2004 (it was replaced at that time) are noted including Yellow Fever, rabies, MMR, and some personal ones including for shingles, and pneumonia plus the two Moderna shots.
If anyone asks me for more proof, they can kiss my fat hairy ass.
Lol who cares? A) the feds can pretty easily find out if you have had the vaccine if they want to, although why would they want to? B) odds are your personal/private info has already been stolen and is out on the dark web as we speak. C) you are not even remotely close to important enough for the federal government to “do something” with any info in a vaccine passport and worrying about it makes you an idiot.
Businesses face a hard decision.
If they don’t require vaccine passports, they may put people at risk of infection. But if businesses require vaccine passports, they bar customers who haven’t gotten shots.
Oh come on man....
If covid was dangerous Joe would be testing every illegal he lets in the country
LOL
Now that the Biden Admin has officially stated it wants nothing to do with Vaccine Passports what will the tighty-righties make up next?