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Migrants arrive to US border from all over the world: 'We are seeing a permanent change'

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  5 years ago  •  186 comments

By:   Anna Giaritelli (MSN)

Migrants arrive to US border from all over the world: 'We are seeing a permanent change'
Migrants from countries far beyond Central America are increasingly arriving at the country's borders under the Biden administration, specifically to come across the U.S.-Mexico border illegally and risk getting caught.

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Migrants from countries far beyond Central America are increasingly arriving at the country's borders under the Biden administration, specifically to come across the U.S.-Mexico border illegally and risk getting caught.

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Since the start of the government's fiscal year in October 2020, Border Patrol agents nationwide have encountered significantly more people from the Caribbean, Central Europe, and South America than last year. Although migrants from Mexico and Central America make up roughly 75% of all illegal immigrants at the northern, southern, and coastal borders, far more people from other countries are arriving. Some have traveled thousands of miles and across oceans for the chance to get into the United States, predominantly by walking across the southern border.

"We are seeing a permanent change in migration at the U.S.-Mexico border. And now it's expanding," said Theresa Cardinal Brown, managing director of immigration and cross-border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington. "We're seeing huge increases in people, not from the Central American countries and not from Mexico, which means this is now just the migration route."

Border Patrol agents who work along U.S. borders saw a 13,951% increase in Venezuelans taken into custody between June 2020 and this June, BPC's Grace Kluender wrote. This comes as more than 26,000 Venezuelans have fled political repression and dire economic circumstances.

From Ecuador, a country of 17 million people located on the northwestern tip of South America, more than 54,000 people have been encountered by U.S. border authorities over the past nine months — five times more than at the same point last year.

Further south in central South America, Brazilians are also leaving. Nearly 30,000 Brazilians were encountered at the border, compared to fewer than 9,000 the previous year. Last June, just 80 Brazilians were apprehended. The 6,678 Brazilians seen last month is an 8,248% increase. The coronavirus pandemic hit Brazil harder this year than last, prompting domestic crises that citizens are attempting to flee.

Cuban apprehensions increased from 14,000 as of June 2020 to more than 26,000 last month. Migration from Haiti is up 2,906% in the same period.

More than 34,000 people from the Philippines and 4,369 Romanians were stopped at the border. The "other" category of migrants, whose home country could not be determined, doubled to more than 37,000 this year.

While the change in migration patterns is obvious, Brown said, the federal government is focused on responding rather than planning. For example, while the Border Patrol has responded to this 21-year high in illegal immigration at the border by putting up tents to hold and release people from custody, it ought to make plans to deal with it if it continues or worsens.

The Biden administration's focus on resolving the "push" factors that prompt people from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras to migrate to the U.S. also needs to change to include factors that prompt people from other countries to come, Brown said. Otherwise, Central American migration will drop, but global migration to the U.S. will continue to rise.

"What about Nicaragua? What about Brazil and Venezuela? What about Haiti? What about Ukraine and Romania? And Congo. What are the root causes there? How are you going to manage that?" Brown said.

The Border Patrol's "enforcement mentality" does not consider how human migration differs from smuggling drugs, firearms, money, and other items.

"They're just lumping it all together in saying we have to secure the border from all of it when the motivations and the rationales and the people you're dealing with are very different," Brown said. "We don't control when people arrive. And we have to manage them once they do. And it's got to be that balance of treating people in a humane way but enforcing the rules."

The reactive approach of taking people into custody before sending them back to their home country or allowing them to live in the U.S. could be replaced with a proactive approach, Brown said.

Lora Ries, senior fellow for homeland security at the conservative Heritage Foundation think tank in Washington, said the U.S. government ought to take an individualized approach by considering each person's cause for fleeing rather than situations in countries as a whole.

She said most people migrating from Central American countries don't meet the criteria for asylum, "but this administration, like the Obama administration, wants more people to get into the U.S., to remain in the U.S., and to be given asylum."

Original Author:Anna Giaritelli


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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

Real nice policies you've got there. Although you have kept one of the effective ones from your predecessor. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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2  charger 383    5 years ago

Why do some want more people here? 

The USA is overpopulated and we have enough problems already 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  charger 383 @2    5 years ago

Got to keep that voter base going!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    5 years ago

immigrants in the gop imagination

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Hallux
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4  Hallux    5 years ago

4,369 Romanians were stopped at the border

This is a surprising number, Romania is not a 'shithole', far from it.  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1  JBB  replied to  Hallux @4    5 years ago

As if "At the border" was at Trump's Wall. People fly into the US then overstay there visas. Despite the racist histrionics of the racist righties the real problem is not Mexicans who have been going back and forth between the US and Mexico forever. Walls cannot fix what ailes our immigration system...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.1    5 years ago

Can you fucking read for once??

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.3  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1    5 years ago

Perhaps you can enlighten on the subject of the ailing immigration system and tell us how you would fix it. 

Thanks.

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.4  Hallux  replied to  JBB @4.1    5 years ago

The article is unclear as to how Romanians are getting in, but its tenor suggest via the Southern border.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.5  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.3    5 years ago

We could start with an honest dialogue which this piece of crap article does not inspire...

Unless we stop foreigners from traveling into and out of the country there is no way to stop illegal immigration except by enforcing all immigration laws. Referring to all points and methods of entry as "Immigrants at the border" is being intentionally misleading. Why should we believe the author is doing that?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.6  JBB  replied to  Hallux @4.1.4    5 years ago

Exactly, and that is intellectual dishonesty!

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.7  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    5 years ago

Looks to me like they made it perfectly clear,

"Migrants from countries far beyond Central America are increasingly arriving at the country's borders under the Biden administration, specifically to come across the U.S.-Mexico border illegally and risk getting caught."

And this..............

"Referring to all points and methods of entry as "Immigrants at the border" is being intentionally misleading."

Except they aren't doing that.

""We are seeing a permanent change in migration at the U.S.-Mexico border. And now it's expanding," said Theresa Cardinal Brown, managing director of immigration and cross-border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington. "We're seeing huge increases in people, not from the Central American countries and not from Mexico, which means this is now just the migration route."

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.8  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1.5    5 years ago

I don't think anyone is saying we can stop ALL illegal immigration. But when we have the blatant illegal "migration" at our southern border in the hundreds of thousands and we know it, we can put one hell of a dent in probably more that 50% of it.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.9  JBB  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.8    5 years ago

Are you really still trying to sell Trump's Wall?

Game of Thrones shit Dark Ages technology!

 
 
 
Hallux
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4.1.10  Hallux  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    5 years ago

I read a number of Anna Giaritelli's reportings, she appears to be straightforward and does not flood her articles with the usual anti-Dem tropes. Compared to the usual tripe seeded by some members on the right, she is a breath of fresh air.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.11  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @4.1.9    5 years ago

Have you seen the gaps left open where people come through? Only 450 miles got built when he was in office and a lot of that was replacing shit. 

And please don't get all high and mighty on the wall "not working". You nor I can know that for sure since it isn't there. As the people in Syria or Turkey if it works. or some of these...........

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.12  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @4.1.9    5 years ago

Biden sure as hell is wasting a ton of taxpayer money not to build it!

Democrats have no interest in securing our borders. They are looking to get enough future Democrat voters to ensure they remain in power forever.

 
 
 
Ender
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4.1.13  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.11    5 years ago

Well, one guy is trying to sell his section...jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.1.15  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @4.1.13    5 years ago

Yeah I saw that. I thought it was weird to spend all those millions to sell it. I think he was hoping that GovCo would buy it. Don't think that's gonna happen.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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4.1.16  Duck Hawk  replied to  JBB @4.1    5 years ago

It seems they don't have a problem if the "right people" (white) immigrate to the US. Folks seem to only have a problem with the non-Caucasian immigrants. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.18  Ronin2  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.17    5 years ago

But that have to play the race card. They think it will any conversation.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.20  arkpdx  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.2    5 years ago

Don't hold your breath. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.22  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @4.1.5    5 years ago
enforcing all immigration laws.

Gee there's a thought! Why don't we try it for a change. Trump was beginning to do just that and all the lefties were crying about how mean that was. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.23  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.12    5 years ago
Democrats have no interest in securing our borders.

Republicans have no interest in securing the border because they don't want to lose their favorite talking point.

When Obama tried to address the issue, the GOP told him, "no". 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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4.1.24  arkpdx  replied to  JBB @4.1.5    5 years ago
enforcing all immigration laws.

There's an idea! Let's do it!
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

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Ronin2
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6.1  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

Yet no where in that entire ramble does it state come break our laws. That includes immigration laws.

I hear Canada is nice; and has a hell of lot more room and a hell of a lot less people than the US. Maybe we should just bus all illegal immigrants to the northern border and drop them off. See how Canada likes the problem?

 
 
 
Snuffy
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6.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1    5 years ago

That will never work. Canada has rules that govern immigration into Canada,  they don't just allow anybody to walk in. 

And the words written on the Statue of Liberty, they come from a sonnet written in 1883.  Some people might say that the world might have changed a bit since then. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.1    5 years ago

Canada also shares a very wide open border with the US. They can't cover all points of entry. 

Of course once in the illegals would get expelled.

Besides, Canada gets damn cold in winter. Not sure those from Central/South America and other warmer island climates would stay there anyways. Chances are they would just cross the border into the US again. We are such pushovers.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    5 years ago

Canadian immigration laws include due process too. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.1.4  Hallux  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    5 years ago
Besides, Canada gets damn cold in winter. Not sure those from Central/South America and other warmer island climates would stay there anyways. Chances are they would just cross the border into the US again. We are such pushovers.

It gets warmish in July.

As to immigrants, from tropical islands to jungles to desserts Canada has many and they all become acclimatized rapidly. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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6.1.5  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @6.1.4    5 years ago

Not nearly enough- we can send millions upon millions more.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.2    5 years ago
"Canada gets damn cold in winter."

Southern Ontario (Toronto) gets 5 months of winter with snow - mid November to mid-April.  It's worse out west save for the warmer Pacific coast cities like Vancouver.  It's been said that Canada has 4 seasons: Starting Winter, Winter, Finishing Winter, and Construction.   Bound to not be particularly attractive to migrants from tropical places. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

How many refugees and illegal "overstayers" does China allow?

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2    5 years ago

Why do you feel it's appropriate to try to make Buzz answerable for the actions of China Jim? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.2  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @6.2.1    5 years ago

He lives there. I asked for information. Is there a problem?

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.2    5 years ago

That doesn't explain your 'question' Jim. 

China's actions have NOTHING to do with US border policy. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.2.4  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @6.2.3    5 years ago

And an expat from Canada living in China has nothing to do with US border policy either.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.2.6  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.4    5 years ago
And an expat from Canada living in China has nothing to do with US border policy either.

Strawman Jim. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.2.7  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    5 years ago
Neither does post 6, but no one sees you complaining about it. I wonder why......................................

Actually, it does. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.2.9  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.4    5 years ago
And an expat from Canada living in China has nothing to do with US border policy either.

That would depend on how many times Buzz enters the US. As you know, this Brit expat living in Canada has a story or two about entering the US.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Hallux @6.2.9    5 years ago

I coudn't count the times I've entered the USA (not even mentioning the amount of time and places I've been in the USA, even owning property there) - the first time was when my mother carried me as an infant in a basket to visit relatives in Baltimore, and the last time was for my son's wedding in that same City.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.2.4    5 years ago
"And an expat from Canada living in China has nothing to do with US border policy either."

I'm a member of TheNewsTalkers, and have been for a lot longer than you and since you made it a topic on TheNewsTalkers I have every right to comment on it, even if I were from the planet Mars. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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6.3  charger 383  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

That outdated poem should be replaced with a NO VACANCY sign.   The place is full now.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.3.1  Dulay  replied to  charger 383 @6.3    5 years ago

So do you encourage states with dense populations to deny companies that would draw people to migrate from less densely populated states from opening?

After all, they're 'full' right? 

Maybe states should pass legislation that requires companies to hire ONLY state residents. 

I mean, there are SOME states are sparsely populated and would benefit from migration and or immigration. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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6.3.2  charger 383  replied to  Dulay @6.3.1    5 years ago

Citizens are free to move around the country,  People who illegibly cross our national borders or overstay visits should not be here at all

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.3.3  Dulay  replied to  charger 383 @6.3.2    5 years ago
Citizens are free to move around the country

But we're FULL right? 

If we can't take in more people in the country as a whole because we're FULL, it should follow that states that are FULL should try to control immigration from other states.

How many acres should each person in America have? We're at about 7 acres now and our fertility rate isn't keeping up with the replacement rate. How low do you want the population to go? 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.3.4  Hallux  replied to  charger 383 @6.3    5 years ago

Or ... just ship it back to France?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.3.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Dulay @6.3.3    5 years ago
we can't take in more people in the country as a whole because we're FULL

Right wing Republicans problem with illegal immigration at the Southern Border has little to do with our being "full" and more to do with their being brown. We know this because they don't really complain about the illegal immigration coming from our northern border.

"Canadians, not Mexicans, represent largest number of visa overstays in the U.S., according to Department of Homeland Security"

"For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings"

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.3.7  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.3.6    5 years ago
Americans are free to move wherever they wish.

Actually, it has NOTHING to do with citizenship Tex. 

States can not legally block that.

They sure as hell CAN restrict it from certain locations. Many states did so during Covid. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.3.8  Hallux  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.3.5    5 years ago

If Canadians overstay it's because they can afford to.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.3.9  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.3.5    5 years ago
"For 7th Consecutive Year, Visa Overstays Exceeded Illegal Border Crossings"

Sad thing is, if they know this and can gather stats, why the hell don't they do something about it? I don't get it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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6.3.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.3.9    5 years ago
if they know this and can gather stats, why the hell don't they do something about it? I don't get it.

I think it's because it's not as visible as a bunch of brown skinned migrants at the border seeking asylum that scare the bejesus out of white religious conservatives who fear the supposed browning of America and a shrinking of their perceived "white culture". Also, the visible boogeyman at the southern border is far easier to turn into a political weapon by right wing politicians to demonize their opponents than the millions of white English speaking undocumented immigrants that blend into society. They're both just as "illegal", one is just far scarier to a certain bigoted segment of American society.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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6.3.12  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.3.11    5 years ago
I think it's because it's not as visible as a bunch of brown skinned migrants at the border seeking asylum that scare the bejesus out of white religious conservatives who fear the supposed browning of America and a shrinking of their perceived "white culture".
Also, the visible boogeyman at the southern border is far easier to turn into a political weapon by right wing politicians to demonize their opponents than the millions of white English speaking undocumented immigrants that blend into society. They're both just as "illegal", one is just far scarier to a certain bigoted segment of American society.

" They're both just as "illegal" - and no one ever said they weren't........................

This had been a fairly decent discussion until you felt the need to plug all that bullshit in. We are done. Have a nice weekend.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.3.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @6.3.5    5 years ago

Never needed a visa to enter the USA and I've entered the USA hundreds of times in my lifetime, and bet I've traavelled through more of America than a lot of Americans.  Of course I never stayed more than a few weeks at a time. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.4  Greg Jones  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

We have several million of them and more coming all the time.

Enough is enough.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

Emma Lazarus' sonnet, "The New Colossus", was a contest donation to an auction created to raise money in order to build statue's base. Her inferences to immigrants refer to LEGAL immigration (via Ellis Island), not ILLEGAL immigration. 

This well-documented article explains its history. There are many others.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.5.1  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.5    5 years ago
Her inferences to immigrants refer to LEGAL immigration (via Ellis Island), not ILLEGAL immigration. 

Red herring. 

There was NO 'ILLEGAL immigration' through Ellis Island in 1882 Jasper. The discriminatory Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882 what the ONLY immigration law that made immigration 'ILLEGAL', the vast majority of Chinese came through via Angel Island. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.5.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @6.5.1    5 years ago
Red herring. 

Incorrect. I replied to comment 6   with facts regarding the history of Emma Lazarus' "The New Colossus".

There was NO 'ILLEGAL immigration' through Ellis Island in 1882 Jasper.

Please show me exactly where in comment 6.5 I claimed that there was.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.5.3  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.5.2    5 years ago
Incorrect. 

Correct.

I replied to comment 6   with facts regarding the history of Emma Lazarus' "The New Colossus".

Your reply included a red herring OPINION Jasper. Own it. 

There was NO 'ILLEGAL immigration' through Ellis Island in 1882 Jasper.
Please show me exactly where in comment   6.5   I claimed that there was.

Whoosh, right over your head. 

Jasper, there was NO illegal immigration, other than from China [west coast], in 1883. So of COURSE, it follows that her poem was about 'LEGAL' immigration. 

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
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6.6  Duck Hawk  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6    5 years ago

It sounds like we weren't asking to the "cream of the crop" with that poem. We were willing to take those who wanted a better life.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.2  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.1    5 years ago

'The Star Spangled Banner' is a poem. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.6.3  Hallux  replied to  Dulay @6.6.2    5 years ago

And the tune was plagiarised.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.6.5  Jasper2529  replied to  Duck Hawk @6.6    5 years ago
We were willing to take those who wanted a better life.

Yes, and we still are ... as long as they emigrate LEGALLY.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.6.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Hallux @6.6.3    5 years ago
And the tune was plagiarised.

Only if the US and England had reciprocal copyright agreements in the 18th and 19th centuries. The composer of "The Anacreontic Song" was British. There have been several attributions as to the original composer of this collegial (not bar room) song. 

Finally, I highly doubt that the US Congress and a US president would have codified "The Star-Spangled Banner" into law if "the tune was plagiarised", thereby breaking copyright agreement law(s).

 
 
 
Hallux
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6.6.7  Hallux  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.6.6    5 years ago

You could be correct:

The U.S. was long a net importer of literary and artistic works, especially from England, which implied that recognition of foreign copyrights would have led to a net deficit in international royalty payments. The Copyright Act recognized this when it specified that “nothing in this act shall be construed to extend to prohibit the importation or vending, reprinting or publishing within the United States, of any map, chart, book or books … by any person not a citizen of the United States.” Thus, the statutes explicitly authorized Americans to take free advantage of the cultural output of other countries. As a result, it was alleged that American publishers “indiscriminately reprinted books by foreign authors without even the pretence of acknowledgement.” The tendency to reprint foreign works was encouraged by the existence of tariffs on imported books that ranged as high as 25 percent.

The United States stood out in contrast to countries such as France, where Louis Napoleon’s Decree of 1852 prohibited counterfeiting of both foreign and domestic works. Other countries which were affected by American piracy retaliated by refusing to recognize American copyrights. Despite the lobbying of numerous authors and celebrities on both sides of the Atlantic, the American copyright statutes did not allow for copyright protection of foreign works for fully one century. As a result, American publishers and producers freely pirated foreign literature, art, and drama.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.8  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.4    5 years ago
Yes, I called it a poem, and not a soul here is disputing that it is a poem.

Actually Tex, as all of 'our readers' can see for themselves you stated:

Poems tend to make pretty shitty governmental policies.

So NO, your didn't 'call' anything a poem. 

Did you have a point, or were you thinking that I didn't know it is a poem after you read my post calling it one?

Yes, and most of 'our readers' will acknowledge that adulation for the 'Star Spangled Banner' was part of Trump's 'government policy'.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.9  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.6.6    5 years ago
Only if the US and England had reciprocal copyright agreements in the 18th and 19th centuries.

The definition of plagiarism doesn't hang on whether it's 'legally' copyrighted.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.11  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.10    5 years ago
Here I was talking about the poem on the Statue of Liberty base

You were talking about POEMS Tex. Here is your comment:

Poems tend to make pretty shitty governmental policies.

The Star Spangled Banner is a POEM and the right uses it to enact government policies. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.13  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.12    5 years ago
I am sorry if the context of my post wasn't clear to you.

The context of your post is perfectly clear, hence my reply. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.6.14  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @6.6.11    5 years ago

Many years before the Internet, I wrote a paper about our national anthem for a Music History course I took, so I know quite a bit about this topic.  

The Star Spangled Banner is a POEM

Actually, no. The poem that Francis Scott Key wrote in 1814 is entitled "Defence of Fort M'Henry". In it, he describes the battle and, specifically, further freedom from England's authoritarian enslavement.

It was set to music and eventually became the USA's national anthem. I've sourced this in other comments.

Thanks to the Internet, it's much easier to find information about this topic today should you wish to read more.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.6.15  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @6.6.9    5 years ago
The definition of plagiarism doesn't hang on whether it's 'legally' copyrighted.  

Please read:

And, with this comment, I will no longer engage. Have a good weekend.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.17  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.6.14    5 years ago
The Star Spangled Banner is a POEM

Actually, no.

The poem that Francis Scott Key wrote in 1814 is entitled "Defence of Fort M'Henry".

It was set to music and eventually became the USA's national anthem. I've sourced this in other comments.

So it IS a POEM set to music. Thanks for playing...

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.18  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.16    5 years ago

Yep, to me. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.19  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6.6.15    5 years ago

Thanks for proving my point. 

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.6.20  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @6.6.8    5 years ago

I believe most of "our readers" are getting tired of posters changing meanings of words to fit their "gotcha " narrative.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.21  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @6.6.20    5 years ago

Yet you persist. 

 
 
 
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6.6.24  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @6.6.21    5 years ago
Yet you persist

Hmm,

Personal attack? Don't believe I am the subject of the article.

As far as replying to my post, I don't believe I mentioned anyone by name.

Seems by you going on the defensive in your post, you are feeling a little guilty.

 
 
 
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6.6.25  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @6.6.22    5 years ago
What is so funny is that often they know so much that is so wrong

And so many of them insist on repeating the same bullshit over and over.

Sad to go to those levels simply for attention.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.26  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @6.6.24    5 years ago

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arkpdx
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6.6.27  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @6.6.11    5 years ago

Just what government policy has been enacted by the Star Spangled Banner?

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.29  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.27    5 years ago

Trump spent 4 YEARS wrapping himself in the flag and insisting that anyone that doesn't stand for the Star Spangled Banner is a traitor. 

 
 
 
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6.6.30  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @6.6.29    5 years ago
anyone that doesn't stand for the Star Spangled Banner is a traitor. 

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JohnRussell
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6.6.31  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.30    5 years ago
anyone that doesn't stand for the Star Spangled Banner is a traitor. 
And you don't agree with that? Of course not, you are a member of the blame America first and always crowd.

And you do think that anyone that doesnt stand for the National Anthem is a TRAITOR?

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You are confused . Here is what a traitor looks like  OIP.RT9Hsg1GUPi49yq8PBOFiwHaJL?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

 
 
 
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6.6.32  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @6.6.29    5 years ago

BTW i am still waiting for an answer to my question to ypu in comment 6.6.27

 
 
 
arkpdx
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6.6.33  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.6.31    5 years ago
And you do think that anyone that doesnt stand for the National Anthem is a TRAITOR?

If not a traitor they are damned close to being one. There are millions that have fought for our flag and for that anthem and many of them have died for them. Not standing is a slap in the face to each and every one of them.

if you disagree I will help you pack and contribute for a one way ticket to Cuba for you. And if you are offended, I DONT CARE!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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6.6.34  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.33    5 years ago

Your opinion of those who protest the anthem doesnt mean a thing to me, but I am curious, do you agree that Michael Flynn is a traitor?   He did call for a military coup to overthrow the 2020 election. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.35  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.32    5 years ago

 
 
 
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6.6.36  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @6.6.35    5 years ago

And still no answer. The US code is not policy.

 
 
 
bugsy
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6.6.37  bugsy  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.36    5 years ago

Problem is that when you engage with certain posters, and they are found to be wrong over and over, they will resort to cherry picking links provided, change the meaning they think it is, then say you are wrong for the part of the link they changed the meaning of.

Don't be surprised when that happens with this link,

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6.6.38  Jasper2529  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.27    5 years ago
Just what government policy has been enacted by the Star Spangled Banner?

Excellent question, but still without a legitimate answer.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.39  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.36    5 years ago
And still no answer. The US code is not policy.

The US Code is the ULTIMATE codification of US policy. 

 
 
 
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6.6.40  1stwarrior  replied to  Dulay @6.6.39    5 years ago

The United States Code is the codification by subject matter of the general and permanent laws of the United States. It is divided by broad subjects into 53 titles and published by the Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the U.S. House of Representatives. The U.S. Code was first published in 1926. The next main edition was published in 1934, and subsequent main editions have been published every six years since 1934. In between editions, annual cumulative supplements are published in order to present the most current information.

 
 
 
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6.6.41  1stwarrior  replied to  arkpdx @6.6.27    5 years ago
what government policy has been enacted by the Star Spangled Banner?
3 March 1931, President Herbert Hoover signed into law a bill that designated the “Star-Spangled Banner” as the National Anthem of the United States.

the bill approved by the House and Senate and signed by President Herbert Hoover simply recognized what had been true in American cultural practice for decades.

Citizens treated “The Star-Spangled Banner” as America’s anthem long before it was officially so. Early in the nineteenth century the song “Hail Columbia” served as the de facto anthem of the United States, yet as Key’s song grew in popularity it stole the honor.

With its lyrical repetition of the phrase “Star-Spangled Banner,” Key’s song became synonymous with the flag through the 1820s and 1830s. A series of wars—the Mexican-American War (1846–48), U.S. Civil War (1860–65), and Spanish-American War (1898)—sanctified flag and song through the blood sacrifice for the defense of national sovereignty. By the eve of the U.S. entry into World War I in 1917, “The Star-Spangled Banner” had even become the official “national anthem” for the U.S. Army and Navy.

 
 
 
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6.6.42  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @6.6.40    5 years ago

It looks like you are quoting a source 1st. You SHOULD post a link to protect NT. 

 
 
 
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6.6.43  Dulay  replied to  Dulay @6.6.42    5 years ago

AGAIN, link website quotes for copyright reasons 1st. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.6.44  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @6.6.40    5 years ago

To revise, codify, and enact without substantive change certain general and permanent laws , related to patriotic and national observances, ceremonies, and organizations, as title 36, United States Code, Patriotic and National Observances, Ceremonies, and Organizations''.
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9  Greg Jones    5 years ago

More and more Cubans are coming through our southern border than risking the dangerous over water routee.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Greg Jones @9    5 years ago
More and more Cubans are coming through our southern border than risking the dangerous over water routee.

It's hilarious that the USCG is patrolling the waters between Cuba and America and turning Cuban political asylum seekers back, yet anyone from any country can waltz across the border between Mexico and America and be greeted essentially with open arms, COVID positive or not even tested (that must piss of the Canadians!).

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.1  Dulay  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1    5 years ago

Your comment is a fantasy. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.2  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Dulay @9.1.1    5 years ago
Your comment is a fantasy. 

Fantasy these

Coast Guard Warns Cubans Against Migrating to US by Sea; DHS Monitoring Waterways

The U.S.  Coast Guard  and Department of Homeland Security have stepped up their watch of the Caribbean and Florida Straits to keep Cubans and Haitians from migrating to the U.S. by sea, officials said this week.

In just two weeks, 135 illegal immigrants test positive for COVID-19 at Rio Grande Valley border

The cases in the Rio Grande Valley sector detention facilities now account for 60% of all detainees confirmed to have COVID-19 and are under CBP’s care, Fox News reported Tuesday. The striking figure regarding the RGV sector, one of the busiest sections of the border through which thousands of people cross daily, comes as the Biden administration contends with a worsening crisis at the southern border.

Reality must suck for those in denial.

 
 
 
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9.1.3  Dulay  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.2    5 years ago

So they ARE tested and ARE in detention facilities. 

Thanks for playing. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.4  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1    5 years ago

Canadians could not care less about your Southern border.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.5  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Dulay @9.1.3    5 years ago

I apologize for my earlier departure but I went to the range with my family and we all had a great time honing shooting skills and competing with each other.

Now as to the reply of “Dulay”.

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So they ARE tested and ARE in detention facilities. 

Provide the words that I wrote that indicate I ever made that claim.  I’ll make it easy and advise you that will be impossible as I never did.  The closest that some might construe as something remotely close to your claim is this from my initial post:

yet anyone from any country can waltz across the border between Mexico and America and be greeted essentially with open arms, COVID positive or not even tested (that must piss of the Canadians!).

Yet nowhere in that statement did I say none are tested nor did I say anything about being detained. 

Good try but an abject failure

Thanks for playing.

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Enjoy your day and weekend. 

Don’t bother with a reply as you will be on IGNORE.   [deleted]

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.6  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @9.1.4    5 years ago
Canadians could not care less about your Southern border.

Where may I ask did I say that they did?   It’s simply that BOTH sides of the Canadian border are essentially pissed and hoping to get back to a normal situation and enjoy the tourism dollars that each brings to the other.

But, I will say that both sides wish it were as easy to cross the Canadian border as it is the illegal alien entry on the southern border.

I’ll provide this as fodder for reading if interested.

Canada will reopen its border with the U.S. and hopes to allow others in by early September.

 
 
 
Dulay
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9.1.7  Dulay  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.5    5 years ago
So they ARE tested and ARE in detention facilities. 
Provide the words that I wrote that indicate I ever made that claim.

You claimed:

anyone from any country can waltz across the border between Mexico and America and be greeted essentially with open arms, COVID positive or not even tested

Then posted a link that refutes that claim.

YOUR link states:

The cases in the Rio Grande Valley sector detention facilities now account for 60% of all detainees confirmed to have COVID-19 and are under CBP’s care, Fox News reported Tuesday.

So they aren't 'waltzing' they're being detained by CBP AND since the ONLY way to confirm they have Covid is to test them, the ARE being tested. 

Thanks for playing...

 
 
 
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9.1.9  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.8    5 years ago

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