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Kabul Airport Explosion Hits Crowd Amid Afghan Evacuations

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  5 years ago  •  149 comments

By:   Yaroslav Trofimov, Sune Engel Rasmussen (MSN)

Kabul Airport Explosion Hits Crowd Amid Afghan Evacuations
An explosion ripped through a crowd of Afghans trying to enter Kabul airport, where the U.S. military is attempting to evacuate thousands of Americans and Afghans. At least three U.S. troops were injured.

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An explosion ripped through a crowd of Afghans trying to enter Kabul airport, where the U.S. military is attempting to evacuate thousands of Americans and Afghans.

At least three U.S. troops were injured, a U.S. official said.

An Afghan man who was on the edge of the crowd, near the Baron camp adjacent to the airport, said the explosion occurred in the middle of thousands of people. He said he saw many maimed, bloodied people being brought out and was told of many fatalities.

Western governments have repeatedly warned of an imminent attack by Islamic State and urged their citizens not to approach the airport.

The blast came after several of America's allies said they were halting evacuation flights from Afghanistan, leaving behind citizens and thousands of Afghans who had been cleared for entry.

Airlift opportunities began disappearing amid warnings of an imminent terrorist attack, and as the U.S. began winding down operations in Kabul ahead of the Aug. 31 withdrawal deadline. Desperate Afghans and foreign citizens still tried to reach Kabul's international airport but on Thursday morning found the roads blocked by Taliban checkpoints.

"Everything is over," said a 30-year-old teacher who tried to get to the airport. "They're not letting anyone pass, not even those with foreign passports or visas."

Thousands of Western citizens and permanent residents are still stranded in Afghanistan, and many fear that they will now be abandoned to face possible Taliban retribution. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Wednesday that approximately 1,500 American citizens were still in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan, and that Washington was in touch with some 500 of them, trying to organize evacuations.

Bismillah, a green-card holder residing in Sacramento, Calif., said he traveled to the northern Afghan city of Mazar-e-Sharif to visit his parents Aug. 3 with his wife, also a U.S. permanent resident, and their 8-month-old son, a U.S. citizen. The family made their way to Kabul as the Afghan government collapsed on Aug. 15, but Bismillah, who declined to provide his last name, said he feared that his baby would be crushed to death in the crowds and didn't try to reach the airport.

"I feel like we are going to be left behind. I don't know what is going to happen next week—you cannot forecast even one day about what will happen in Afghanistan," said Bismillah, who worked for Amazon.com Inc. in California and is currently in Mazar-e-Sharif. "We are really worried about ourselves."

The halting of evacuation flights has come amid intelligence warnings of an imminent risk of terrorist attacks on Kabul airport by Islamic State. The U.K. late Wednesday warned its citizens to stay away from the airport because of the risk of an attack. The Foreign Office said in official advice for travelers that people shouldn't go to the airport and, if already there, should leave.

"The credibility of the reporting has reached the stage where we believe there is a very imminent, a highly lethal attack, possibly within Kabul," James Heappey, the U.K.'s armed forces minister, said in a broadcast interview earlier Thursday.

Italy said that its C-130 aircraft filled with Afghan refugees came under fire at takeoff on Thursday, but wasn't damaged. An Italian reporter aboard the plane said the pilot had to take evasive action.

The evacuations are ending as the Taliban cement their hold over the country. Though the Islamist movement's leaders have met with prominent figures from the fallen Afghan republic, such as former President Hamid Karzai and chief peace negotiator Abdullah Abdullah, the visits were mostly courtesy and didn't discuss power sharing, a person familiar with the meetings said. Mr. Karzai, in particular, had been strongly advised not to leave his compound for his own safety, a soft form of house arrest, the person said.

Since Aug. 14, the day before the Taliban took control of Kabul, the U.S. has evacuated and facilitated the evacuation of approximately 95,700 people from Afghanistan, the White House said. In the 24 hours ending at 3 a.m. ET Thursday, about 13,400 people were evacuated, approximately 5,100 of them on U.S. military flights, it said.

The Dutch Defense Ministry said in a letter Thursday to parliament that it would stop flight operations by the end of the day, hoping to evacuate several hundred people already inside the airport, with diplomatic staff and Dutch troops departing on the final flight. The ministry added that it was no longer able to assist its citizens and eligible Afghans in accessing the airport.

"This is a painful moment because it means that despite all the great efforts of the past period, people who are eligible for evacuation to the Netherlands will be left behind," the letter said. Those include Dutch citizens and Afghans who had worked with Dutch forces deployed as part of the U.S.-led coalition.

Poland, which has flown more than 900 Afghan citizens since the fall of Kabul, said it was also ending its evacuation program following decisions made by its allies, the U.S. and the U.K. "The situation is difficult, it is even dramatic, and more and more difficult with each hour," Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said Thursday.

The Italian Defense Ministry said its last flight would leave Kabul on Thursday night. Canada, too, said it had ended its evacuation effort. French Prime Minister Jean Castex told French radio RTL that the country would no longer be able to evacuate citizens after Friday. Danish Defense Minister Trine Bramsen said Wednesday that Denmark had already flown its last evacuation flight, and that it was no longer safe to fly in and out of Kabul. U.K. Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in a broadcast interview that the country has 11 flights scheduled for Thursday but declined to say whether those would be the last, citing the need to protect troops on the ground.

Write to Yaroslav Trofimov at yaroslav.trofimov@wsj.com and Sune Engel Rasmussen at sune.rasmussen@wsj.com

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Just Jim NC TttH
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1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

Suicide bomber. 3 US military injured.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 years ago

Breaking news is chaotic even over at Al-Jazeera which is updating every 5 or so minutes. I won't add to the wild speculations. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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1.1.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @1.1    5 years ago
I won't add to the wild speculations. 

Reported injuries are "wild speculation"?   

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.1.2  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @1.1.1    5 years ago

My 'apologies', I did not get the message that fog and war divorced.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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1.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  Hallux @1.1.2    5 years ago
My 'apologies', I did not get the message that fog and war divorced.

They divorced as soon as Biden and clusterfuck got married; which seemed like a much better match. Besides, the only thing that is in a fog is our President!

Funny how US Intelligence services were good enough to give advanced warning about this terrorist hit.  But, aren't good enough to figure out where US civilians are(who all desperately want to get out. No matter what the mighty mental midget in the WH is saying); how many there are; and the best means of getting them out.  It is almost like someone has their priorities fucked up.

Of course Afghans still died; and 3 US marines were still hurt. Seems threat of a terrorist hit is less frightening than living under the Taliban.

The State Department seems to like the game red light green light when it comes to telling US citizens and those Afghans that aided us when to try and get into the Karzai Airport. Unfortunately the Afghan security forces (yes, the same ones Biden berated repeatedly- and blame for this whole situation) are the ones in charge of the gate that is most easily accessible. They aren't letting in people with documents; but are giving free passes to people of their clan/tribe. 

The Taliban has mostly blockaded the airport with checkpoints, allowing few people to pass. And Afghans who’ve made it to the airport gates have been turned away even if they have proper documentation – and even escorted off the airport after making it to safety.

On Wednesday, Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin asked at a Pentagon news briefing about reports that Marines at Kabul airport’s Abbey Gate were turning away Afghans who had been granted Special Immigrant Visas.

“I can’t speak that specific, you know, report there. But what I do know is – whether it’s our Marines or soldiers that are at those gates working with the consular officers that are there – as people are there and present the proper SIV paperwork, we are to get them as quickly as possible in, process them for evacuation flights,” said Maj. Gen. William “Hank” Taylor, deputy director for regional operations for the Joint Staff.

Many veterans who served in Afghanistan have been receiving increasingly frantic messages from interpreters and other Afghans who are being hunted by the Taliban but cannot reach safety due to bureaucratic red tape. An ad hoc group of advocates has launched a “ Digital Dunkirk” to rescue as many Afghan allies as possible.

In their statement, Meijer and Moulton said that like many other veterans, they have been working without much sleep for the past few weeks to make sure that as many people as possible could make it safely to Hamid Karzai International Airport.

“As members of Congress, we have a duty to provide oversight on the executive branch. There is no place in the world right now where oversight matters more,” they said. “We conducted this visit in secret, speaking about it only after our departure, to minimize the risk and disruption to the people on the ground, and because we were there to gather information, not to grandstand.”

The two lawmakers also said they left Kabul on a plane with empty seats and used crew-only seats to make sure they weren’t taking up space on an aircraft that could have been used for people trying to escape Afghanistan.

Taylor said approximately 500 to 600 members of Afghan national security forces were at the airfield "assisting us with that security." Asked about whether these Afghan security personnel would be evacuated from Afghanistan as well, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told the briefing that it would be up to them to decide.

"That would have to be a decision by those individuals if that wanted to apply for a visa and to pursue that approach," Kirby said.

U.S. military officials at the airport have been in contact with Taliban commanders on the ground outside the airport, Kirby added.

"There have been discussions, there is communication between them and us," Kirby said.

Want to see the real clusterfuck coming? Try leaving those Afghan security forces at the airport behind. They could make the final departures really "interesting".

The Biden Administration keeps saying this "isn't Saigon". No, this is a thousand times worse than Saigon.  

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 years ago

I sadly fear this is just the beginning. I'm willing to bet there is far worse to come.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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1.2.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2    5 years ago
I sadly fear this is just the beginning. I'm willing to bet there is worse to come.

Once our US forces are forced to abandon Americans and allies on August 31 due to Biden's foreign policy incompetence, yes.

The Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and ISIS-K are all jockeying for control. "To the victor belong [go] the spoils".

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    5 years ago

Reportedly 4 USMC KIA, 3 injured, one critical.  33 civillians so far and 3 or 4 Taliban fighters.

I guess the Taliban don't have as good a grip on Kabul as they thought they did.

Yesterday, the Italian C-130 had to evade gunfire and RPGs.

The Dutch, Italians, Poles have all announced that their last flights out today will evacuate their military and diplomats only.

The French last flights are scheduled for Friday.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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1.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @1.3    5 years ago

12 more killed in a separate blast. 11 Marines and 1 Navy Hospital Corpsman KIA making this the worst single day loss of American lives in Afghanistan in 10 years.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3.1    5 years ago

There was a blast when the bomber was being frisked by a team of USMC.

A lot of Marines, civilians and Taliban went down killed or stunned.  As people started to stir, additional Marines ran into a hail of bullets from the far side of the street.

Marines and Taliban fought together to suppress the ISIS fighters.  A second blast at the hotel killed a number of Afghans.

Unconfirmed reports are that the Taliban continued to fight Isis off and on for hours running through Kabul.

Currently 13 dead, 18 wounded.

Sad day.

 
 
 
JBB
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1.3.4  JBB  replied to  Kathleen @1.3.3    5 years ago

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Split Personality
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1.3.5  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @1.3.3    5 years ago

They have been fighting each other for at least ten years and it was not unheard of for the Taliban to call the

Afghan police and ask for US air strikes against ISIS

In general, since the US abdicated last February, The Taliban has only been fighting ISIS.

It was mentioned again today that one reason the Taliban want to reset a  relationship with the US

is for air power to be used against ISIS.

The Taliban isn't hard core Islam enough for the ISIS religious extremists who want women returned to

Medieval status as property.

 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @1.3.6    5 years ago
Do you trust the Taliban?

Tricky, sticky situation (no longer my responsibility), sort of falls under the enemy of my enemy is my ally this

week situation.  Happened all over the Balkans when we were embroiled in that fiasco.

I did flag that comment above yours, it WAS taunting.

Two separate issues there.  

First I did not see it or allow it.

Second I cannot act upon flags in a thread where I participate. The software prevents it.

I can however, reflag it on your behalf.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.3.10  Split Personality  replied to  Kathleen @1.3.8    5 years ago

Yes that was a bizarre interview.  That's apparently what the Taliban believe though.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.3.11  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @1.3    5 years ago
Reportedly 4 USMC

RIP Brothers. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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2  exexpatnowinTX    5 years ago

Three MARINES were wounded by a suicide bomber at the airport.  One reportedly in serious condition.

A second bomb exploded at the location of the exfiltration location the other night 200 yards (two football field lengths) from the airport where American forces picked up trapped Americans.

America is now in full retreat from a bunch of terrorists.   

Thanks to the Commander in Chief, Joe Biden who never before even wore the uniform of a boy scout.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2    5 years ago

Jen Psaki:

This is part of the plan. Everything is perfect.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2    5 years ago
Thanks to the Commander in Chief, Joe Biden who never before even wore the uniform of a boy scout. 

Who was the last Commander and Chief that was a member of the military?

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.2.1  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    5 years ago

George H. W. Bush

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2    5 years ago
Who was the last Commander and Chief that was a member of the military?

George W. Bush was the last PotUS who was a member of the military. Before him ... his father. How does your question relate to comment 2 ? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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2.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.2    5 years ago

It doesn't.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.4    5 years ago
It relates to comment 2

It does?

Comment  2 mentions neither G. H. W. Bush nor G. W. Bush. It does, however, address Joe Biden and the utter failure of his Afghanistan withdrawal which has left US citizens and our allies either DEAD or stranded in what is now enemy territory .

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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2.2.7  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.6    5 years ago

It was just a swoop and poop comment.........................

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.2    5 years ago
George W. Bush was the last PotUS who was a member of the military. Before him ... his father. How does your question relate to comment 2 ? 

It just shows that a military history is not needed for the position of POTUS, and in fact is getting rarer and rarer to see.  That is why they have advisers that DO have military experience.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.6    5 years ago

Comment  2 mentions neither G. H. W. Bush nor G. W. Bush. It does, however, address Joe Biden and the utter failure of his Afghanistan withdrawal which has left US citizens and our allies either DEAD or stranded in what is now enemy territory .

You just completely skipped over the last sentence, didn't you?

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.2.11  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    5 years ago

I don't think that's true. While 4 out of the last 5 had no military experience, the previous 9 before them all did. As a matter of fact the majority of our presidents have. If you look at lists of the best presidents in our history, generally the only one in the top ten that doesn't have personal military experience is FDR.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.12  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @2.2.10    5 years ago

I always do, and indeed, it is.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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2.2.13  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    5 years ago
That is why they have advisers that DO have military experience.

Maybe those advisors advice should be heeded?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.2.14  Jasper2529  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.9    5 years ago
You just completely skipped over the last sentence, didn't you?

In comment 2.2.6 I replied to comment 2.2.4 , which contains only one sentence.

 
 
 
goose is back
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2.2.15  goose is back  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.8    5 years ago
 That is why they have advisers that DO have military experience.

To bad he didn't listen to them, now he's gotten 12 service members killed along with a number of other people.  He is unfit to command.  How Joe Biden went his own way on Afghanistan withdrawal - CNNPolitics

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.16  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @2.2.11    5 years ago
I don't think that's true. While 4 out of the last 5 had no military experience, the previous 9 before them all did. As a matter of fact the majority of our presidents have. If you look at lists of the best presidents in our history, generally the only one in the top ten that doesn't have personal military experience is FDR.

Which part isn't true?
If we end up in another large war, you will probably see an influx of candidates with military experience.  However, it has been shown, that as long as POTUS, surrounds himself with competent advisers, and is willing to listen to those advisers, he does not need military experience himself.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.17  Ozzwald  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.2.13    5 years ago
Maybe those advisors advice should be heeded?

And now you have to prove that their advise was not heeded.  Remember, advisers don't make the decisions, they can recommend actions, and they can help implement actions, but they are there simply to advise.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.18  Ozzwald  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.2.14    5 years ago

In comment 2.2.6 I replied to comment 2.2.4 , which contains only one sentence.

But your comment directly referenced comment 2.0.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2.2.19  GregTx  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.16    5 years ago

That it's getting rarer and rarer.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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2.2.20  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.17    5 years ago
And now you have to prove that their advise was not heeded.

I need prove nothing, especially to you.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.21  Ozzwald  replied to  GregTx @2.2.19    5 years ago

That it's getting rarer and rarer.

Well, it's been 3 in a row now.  Guess will just have to wait and see how it goes in the future.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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2.2.22  Ozzwald  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @2.2.20    5 years ago
I need prove nothing, especially to you.

And you never ever ever do.....

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.23  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @2.2.15    5 years ago

13, but who is counting?

Did you bitch about any of the 60 deaths in Afghanistan under Trump? 

Did you declare Trump unfit to command?

Of course not.

Did you bitch about the civilian causalities?

btw, military advisers give advice to minimize losses, no one ever guarantees zero hurt.  No one.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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2.2.24  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.23    5 years ago

Apples and oranges Split and you know it.

The 60 was during a four year term of Trump and they were battle casualties, in the field, against fortified enemies.

13 is one day in the life of Biden at two locations by suicide bombers.

Not even in the same ballpark.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.25  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.2.24    5 years ago
Apples and oranges Split and you know it

Body bags are body bags 1st, doesn't matter if my USMC nephew was blown up by the Taliban

or suffered a hernia unloading a truck and bled out in his sleep ( true story ).

13 is one day in the life of Biden at two locations by suicide bombers.

Were you there this morning?  The first blast killed and stunned a number USMC , civilian & Taliban.

When the rest of the squad moved in with a Corpsman, ISIS fighters began firing at the Marines killing many including the Corpsman.

The second explosion killed Afghan civilians and brought the Taliban and Marines together in the beginning of a fire

fight that the Taliban apparently continued, chasing the Isis fighters for an hour through the city.

Bombs and guns, same expectations, same ballpark, same shit hole country that has had similar attacks against

civilian marketplaces and weddings every fucking year we were there.

 
 
 
goose is back
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2.2.26  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.23    5 years ago
Did you bitch about any of the 60 deaths in Afghanistan under Trump? 

Trump wasn't directing the war, Biden is directing the withdrawal. He chose a bad plan that got people killed, he had better, safer options that he ignored. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.27  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @2.2.15    5 years ago
To bad he didn't listen to them, now he's gotten 12 service members killed along with a number of other people. He is unfit to command.

Huh? WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, 9/11, 600k from Covid? But 12 killed in a bombing and suddenly, "He's unfit to command"? Really?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.28  MrFrost  replied to  goose is back @2.2.26    5 years ago
He chose a bad plan that got people killed, he had better, safer options that he ignored. 

It's weird that up to that point, at the very end, not one person had died and the right wing refused to say anything about it. But... One bombing, 12 dead and he's suddenly a monster. 

Faux outrage. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @2.2.26    5 years ago
Trump wasn't directing the war, Biden is directing the withdrawal.

There is NO WAR.  Trump & Pompeo threw in the towel last year without telling the duly elected government.

He chose a bad plan that got people killed, he had better, safer options that he ignored.

You have only opinions, no facts. They apparently took the safest way out.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.2.30  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.29    5 years ago
u have only opinions, no facts. They apparently took the safest way out

Lol... The irony here

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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3  exexpatnowinTX    5 years ago

At this point, in all likelihood any and all remaining Americans, allies and SIV holding Afghans will be abandoned.

The terrorists will push attacks and we will draw down any and all remaining personnel at the airport.  Only people currently at the airport will be evacuated.

Americans will now need to depend on Military-CIA covert operations in addition to some ongoing private rescue operations to escape Afghanistan.

Afghans that aided America and her allies will have to find their own way out.  Pakistan or even China might be their only options left.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1  Split Personality  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @3    5 years ago

In full agreement except the last sentence. 

The ISIS K territories are all along the Pakistan border and the Wakhan Corridor is only 8 miles wide

making it pretty easy to blockade if ISIS extended their influence that far.

Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan through the mountains to the north

or Iran to the west are more likely paths to freedom because the Taliban control those points.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4  Sunshine    5 years ago

This is so heartbreaking.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Sunshine @4    5 years ago

It's beyond heartbreaking to me, Sunshine. This debacle was completely avoidable if Biden and his administration's agencies had paid attention MONTHS ago instead of obsessing over masks, Covid mandates, tax hikes, and wokeism.

In 2014, Robert Gates, Obama's Secretary of Defense, warned us about how disastrous Biden has been on national and foreign policies.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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4.2.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.2    5 years ago
In 2014, Robert Gates, Obama's Secretary of Defense, warned us about Biden.

Hell 2014.

Here's his former boss, Obama in 2020:  Speaking to  Politico  about Obama's concerns, one aide recalled him saying: “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.”

Obama had a front row seat into the stumbling bumbling incompetence of Joe Biden.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.2.2  Ronin2  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @4.2.1    5 years ago

Yet Obama still endorsed and campaigned for Biden.

Party over everything; including country.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @4.2.1    5 years ago

That was in respect to Joe Biden recommending 10,000 troops to help get us out of the shithole

as opposed to Obama and the entire Joint Chiefs sending 40,00 to promote nation building.

Joe was right, Obama was wrong.

Admiral Mike Mullen was wrong and now admits it.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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4.2.4  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.3    5 years ago

Biden is a moron.  He is now and has been all of his pathetic segregationist racist career.

MARGARET BRENNAN: I was rereading your memoir before we sat down to talk and you said in your memoir, Joe Biden is impossible not to like.

Quote: "He's a man of integrity, incapable of hiding what he really thinks, and one of those rare people you know you could turn to for help in a personal crisis. Still, I think he's been wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue over the past four decades."

Would he be an effective commander-in-chief?

ROBERT GATES: I-- I don't know. I don't know. I-- I think I stand by that statement. He and I agreed on some key issues in the Obama administration. We disagreed significantly on Afghanistan and some other issues. I think that the vice president had some issues with the military. So how he would get along with the senior military, and what that relationship would be, I just-- I think, it-- it would depend on the personalities at the time.
 
 
 
Ronin2
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5  Ronin2    5 years ago

Why in the hell are we putting up with this!

I don't care if the suicide bomber was Al Qaeda; ISIS/ISIL, or ISIS K (like Biden keeps spouting off about). The bomber went past how many different Taliban check points and was never stopped or searched? They either let the bomber through on purpose; or they are incompetent and just don't give a damn. Either way they are responsible.

Wonder how the alternate reality the Biden administration is in is going to spin this! 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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5.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ronin2 @5    5 years ago
Why in the hell are we putting up with this!

The people aren't putting up with it.  But, the Democrats obviously are.  They're using it as top cover to push their agenda hoping the people don't see what they're doing.

I don't care if the suicide bomber was Al Qaeda; ISIS/ISIL, or ISIS K (like Biden keeps spouting off about). The bomber went past how many different Taliban check points and was never stopped or searched? They either let the bomber through on purpose; or they are incompetent and just don't give a damn. Either way they are responsible.

Very true.  The Taliban are most certainly responsible.  But as Blinken said, the Taliban are in control.  I wonder how that happened!?!

Wonder how the alternate reality the Biden administration is going to spin this! \

It will probably be noted it was a celebratory fireworks display that gort out of control.   The "Pentagon" briefing has been delayed.  They're working on spin control talking points.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1    5 years ago
They're using it as top cover to push their agenda hoping the people don't see what they're doing.

256

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1    5 years ago

I hope the Democrats aren't that jaded; but there is no arguing that they are using this crisis to their full advantage passing the reconciliation porkulus bill.

Wonder what their next crisis will be to distract from whatever else they need done?

Taiwan should be very, very, afraid.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.1    5 years ago

Jim, 

I must ask you, what do you think they are doing in DC?

This massive mess can be just what it is... a massive mess.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1    5 years ago
 The "Pentagon" briefing has been delayed.  They're working on spin control talking points.

Lately, all of their "delays" are around 3 to 5 hours. Lots of daily "spin" to figure out!

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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5.1.5  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Ronin2 @5.1.2    5 years ago
I hope the Democrats aren't that jaded

Hopes get dashed on the rocks like ocean waves.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.6  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    5 years ago
This massive mess can be just what it is... a massive mess.

A "massive mess"? Yes, but it's not that simple. Innocent people have been paying for the Biden Administration's "massive mess" with their BLOOD flowing in the streets. There are still tens of thousands of US citizens as well as US allies and Afghans who helped us for 20 years who are stranded all over Afghanistan.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.7  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.3    5 years ago

Yes it is a massive mess. And that's it. 

We won't know what is happening in DC for awhile due to the coverage of the massive mess.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.7    5 years ago

It's being covered, but it's not headline news. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.9  Hallux  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.1.7    5 years ago

"the coverage of the massive mess" is a massive mess unto itself.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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5.1.10  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    5 years ago
It's being covered, but it's not headline news.

One has to wonder why.

Nancy Pelosi hosts maskless fundraiser, Kevin McCarthy blasts her 'utter hypocrisy'

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.11  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    5 years ago

15 out of 25 stories on my MSN home page scrolling news box.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1.10    5 years ago

The pic on the right shows only one of many Napa Valley super-spreader donor tables. jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.13  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    5 years ago

Here's one....................

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.14  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.8    5 years ago
It's being covered, but it's not headline news. 

Please look at the front pages of FNC, NYT, WaPo, NY Post, Washington Times, LA Times, BBC. If you need links, I'll be happy to provide them.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.6    5 years ago
. There are still tens of thousands of US citizens...stranded all over Afghanistan

Patently false.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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5.1.16  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.15    5 years ago
Patently false

And you have evidence of this?  And please don't use the State Department as your evidence.

There are Americans in more places than Kabul.  They are in fact ALL OVER AFGHANISTAN as they cannot travel safely to Kabul.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.17  Jasper2529  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.15    5 years ago
. There are still tens of thousands of US citizens...stranded all over Afghanistan Patently false.

Do NOT cherry pick comment 5.1.6. I posted:

There are still tens of thousands of US citizens as well as US allies and Afghans who helped us for 20 years who are stranded all over Afghanistan.
 
 
 
Jasper2529
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5.1.18  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @5.1.16    5 years ago

He cherry picked my comment 5.1.6 and omitted the most important parts.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.19  Split Personality  replied to  Jasper2529 @5.1.18    5 years ago

Very poor sentence structure, I think you know that; "as well as" is not the same as "and".

They all had 18 months to make other arrangements.

The only people I will weep for are the USMC who lost their lives today.

 
 
 
goose is back
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5.1.20  goose is back  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.19    5 years ago
Very poor sentence structure,

People are dying do to this Presidents actions and you're worried about sentence structure.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  goose is back @5.1.20    5 years ago
People are dying do to this Presidents actions

In your opinion which is fine.  I disagree. 

Maybe different actions would have resulted in 800 or 8,000 dead, or eight more years in this shit hole country.

This is the path that was chosen.  Every person in uniform on the ground knows what they signed up for.

Every C-17 pilot and co-pilot is an Air Force Reserve officer who volunteered for the airlift knowing that they would be

taking ground fire at some point and still they volunteered.

( And it is "due" not "do". )

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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5.1.22  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.19    5 years ago

I weep for the Marines as well the Navy Corpsman who lost their lives. Many people are not aware that front line Marines never go anywhere, especially into a combat situation, without their Navy FMF Corpsmen!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.22    5 years ago

I weep with you Ed.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.1.24  1stwarrior  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.1.22    5 years ago

I luv my Corpsman - damn fine, brave person.

 
 
 
Moose Knuckle
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6  Moose Knuckle    5 years ago

Someone just suicide bombed Joe's approval numbers. Under water Joe and buried Kamalalala are making Jimmy Carter look like Kennedy.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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7  exexpatnowinTX    5 years ago

FOUR MARINES KILLED.   

Kabul Airport Explosion Kills Four U.S. Marines Amid Evacuations

GREAT WORK BIDEN.  The blood of these brave Marines are on YOUR HANDS.

YOUR INCOMPETENCE IS COSTING LIVES.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8  JaneDoe    5 years ago

This has been a quagmire from the get go. I’m surprised it took this long for the suicide bombers to get in on it. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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8.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  JaneDoe @8    5 years ago
I’m surprised it took this long for the suicide bombers to get in on it. 

It takes time to build the bombs and then convince someone to sacrifice their life for the "cause".  Have you ever noticed it's not the people running the show that do the sacrificing?    It also takes time to get the necessary numbers of innocents gathered to make it worth the time and effort of bomb building and convincing.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.1.1  JaneDoe  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1    5 years ago
It takes time to build the bombs and then convince someone to sacrifice their life for the "cause". 

I doubt there was much choice. Strap this bomb on or get beheaded.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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8.1.2  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  JaneDoe @8.1.1    5 years ago
I doubt there was much choice. Strap this bomb on or get beheaded.

Sometimes there is no coercion.  They're simply zealots willing to die for the cause. 

 
 
 
JaneDoe
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8.1.3  JaneDoe  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @8.1.2    5 years ago

So very true! 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

This just in. 4 US Marines among the fatalities in Kabul.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9    5 years ago
This just in. 4 US Marines among the fatalities in Kabul.

Nothing but sacrificial lambs to the "skill" -s- of the moron in chief currently infecting the White House.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1    5 years ago

Whoops didn't see your post above while I was posting this one. Sorry.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.2  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.1    5 years ago
Whoops didn't see your post above while I was posting this one. Sorry.

Not to worry.

I'm fascinated by the constant need of some to divert from current disasters unfolding in front of their eyes with stories about lawyers, super spreader events, and the like.  The diversions will not work for any with an ability to think independently.   All I hope is that this country survives long enough for rational people to attempt to undo the damage currently being wrought by the radicals.

They are following the instructions to a "T".  Overwhelm the system.  I wonder if this current situation was actually considered as a viable means to achieve that end.

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.3  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.2    5 years ago

Some of us are wise enough not to play Thursday morning generals.

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.4  GregTx  replied to  Hallux @9.1.3    5 years ago

Ahh, because of that broader view of history as it unfolds and such right? Seems to me that those more interested in mitigating the current trials and tribulations might save more lives.

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.5  Hallux  replied to  GregTx @9.1.4    5 years ago

Knee Jerk reactions will get you into a lot more trouble and a lot more quickly. I'm getting the feeling it is what a number of you are hoping for.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.6  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @9.1.3    5 years ago
Some of us are wise enough not to play Thursday morning generals.

Some of us with a military career behind us are sufficiently wise.  A newly minted Lieutenant would not have made the blunders this "Commander in chief" accomplished.  In fact, this could have easily been prevented had Biden 1- followed the Trump plan or  2- failing that listened to the advice of his military. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.7  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.6    5 years ago
Some of us with a military career behind us are sufficiently wise.

Care to drop some names?

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.8  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.6    5 years ago
followed the Trump plan

I read it and wouldn't have followed it into a strip bar.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.9  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @9.1.7    5 years ago
Care to drop some names?

Mine.  28 years.  1968 to 1996.

If you want more than that, KMA.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.10  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @9.1.8    5 years ago
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Jasper2529
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9.1.12  Jasper2529  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.6    5 years ago
A newly minted Lieutenant would not have made the blunders this "Commander in chief" accomplished.

Interesting that you say this. Last week, I watched the interviews of 3 US Generals say the same thing.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.13  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Jasper2529 @9.1.12    5 years ago
Interesting that you say this. Last week, I watched the interviews of 3 US Generals say the same thing.

It is not difficult.  Anyone that has even gone through basic training is taught and knows you don't cede the high ground or a secure position as that will invariably wind up being the cause of your own death.

Biden ignored the advice of his military advisors and by doing so is responsible not for his death, but for the deaths of American military and Afghan civilians in Kabul.

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.14  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.10    5 years ago

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Hallux
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9.1.15  Hallux  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @9.1.9    5 years ago
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exexpatnowinTX
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9.1.16  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Hallux @9.1.15    5 years ago

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[16 points for the ugly personal threat]

[Next comment like this will be an instant vacation of indeterminant length]

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.17  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @9.1.7    5 years ago
Care to drop some names?

Me

US Navy 1985-2005

8 6 month deployments to the Persian Gulf and God knows how many shorter deployments elsewhere around the world.

 
 
 
Hallux
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9.1.18  Hallux  replied to  bugsy @9.1.17    5 years ago

TYFYS ... and how many SNAFUs did you experience?

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.19  bugsy  replied to  Hallux @9.1.18    5 years ago

Unfortunately, all too often. Thankfully, I never saw any combat, but I did control aircraft from carriers and got to see raw footage of things go boom when they crew returned.

Pretty cool thing to see.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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9.1.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  bugsy @9.1.17    5 years ago

Myself as well. U.S. Navy FMF Hospital Corpsman from 1973 - 1993. Vietnam through the 1st Gulf War. I've been around the block a few times as well.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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10  Sean Treacy    5 years ago

Very depressing....

It sounds like they've stopped all civilian evacs.  Getting those last troops out will be terrifying.

I'm sure the Taliban would be very happy to have a downed plane  be the enduring symbol of them  chasing us out of the country in the most humiliating way possible. 

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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10.1  exexpatnowinTX  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    5 years ago
Very depressing....

That is an understatement if I ever heard one.

It sounds like they've stopped all civilian evacs. 

That is true.  They're also now redoing security checks of all of the people currently on the tarmac to make sure nothing "slipped" through.

Getting those last troops out will be terrifying.

I would hope that they have massive air power deployed to protect the aircraft as they take off.   Develop a wide perimeter and make sure they know it will be a kill zone when the aircraft take off.

I'm sure the Taliban would be very happy to have a downed plane  be the enduring symbol of them  chasing us out of the country in the most humiliating way possible. \

They're already making the claim that we are running, and properly so, as we ARE being run out of the country with our tail between our legs by a bunch of terrorist due to the moron in chief running the show.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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10.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @10.1    5 years ago

If it were almost any other president (outside of Kamala Harris) downing a US plane when we are leaving the country would be a death sentence for the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS/ISIL, or ISIS special K. (Sorry how many damn factions of the same organization are there. And who the hell is coming up with these names?)

With Hiden Biden as President who the hell knows what we will get? He might apologize to the Taliban for damaging their runway!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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10.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Ronin2 @10.1.1    5 years ago
ISIS/ISIL,

"ISIL" made news during Obama's time. It was his way to include "the Levant" (ISIS changed to ISIL) ... meaning Israel ... into the Islamic terrorist organization known as ISIS.

or ISIS special K

ISIS-K has apparently been a weak, little-known, Islamic terrorist group since Obama's 2nd term. It's obviously flourished in northeastern Afghanistan and is now strong enough to duel with the Taliban and Al Qaeda for control.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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11  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

Anyone remember this?

"We’ve been able — we’ve made — look, we’ve made clear to the Taliban that any attack — any attack on our forces or disruption of our operations at the airport will be met with a swift and forceful response."

I'll be looking for it............................oh wait. We'll have to steal our equipment back.

 
 
 
exexpatnowinTX
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12  exexpatnowinTX    5 years ago

JUST REPORTED...

AT LEAST TEN AMERICAN MILITARY DEAD IN KABUL AIRPORT ATTACKS

The blood on your hands is covering your entire being Biden.  HANG your head in shame.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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12.1  Sunshine  replied to  exexpatnowinTX @12    5 years ago

They where sitting ducks. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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15  Thrawn 31    5 years ago

Hit 20 Taliban targets, high ranking targets, and let  them know that if they dont contain ISIS, we will, and Taliban/Isis look awfually similar to us. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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15.1  Ronin2  replied to  Thrawn 31 @15    5 years ago

Agreed, but the Biden administration will never do that. 

Why are we bowing to the Taliban? I don't care if they do now have advanced US military weaponry. I guarantee they don't have pilots to fly the Black Hawks, or anyone specialized enough to operate the drones. We have predator drones that can take pretty much everything down. Of course they have to travel 8 plus hours over Pakistan from their base in the ME because we stupidly moved our fleet it seems. Otherwise we could bring a much larger arsenal against them.

Seems Biden is willing to let the Taliban have Afghanistan and everything they acquired in the takeover. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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15.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @15.1    5 years ago

Who do you think got our equipment in North Korea and South Vietnam?

The victors.

We quit and abandoned our equipment like the British and Russians before us.

You are right though.

All of their pilots have defected and they aren't particularly competent mechanically.

Within 2 years most of the stuff will be rusted or broken beyond use.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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16  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

I'm not a military person, nor am I a political strategist, so can someone please tell me why, when the intention was to evacuate so many people, the Kandahar and Bagram air bases were closed?  It just doesn't make any sense to me. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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16.1  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @16    5 years ago

One of many questions that bother me.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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17  Split Personality    5 years ago

Bagram as an air field requires about 8,000 combat troops and 18,000 contractors

By January Trump & Miller had the troop level down to 2,500 including the embassy and Kabul

Essentially 1,500 combat troops to protect the dismantling of anything worthwhile flying off to other bases

1,500 divided by 2 or 3 shifts protecting 8,000 contractor about 4,500 of whom were locals

It was also under routine rocket attacks

It's wide open out there, lots of space to launch rockets against planes full of evacuees.

The Base was evacuated around 07/02/21and 'handed over' to the Afghan Security force  07/15/21

The crux of the matter is that everyone expected a little more backbone from the F

Afghanis

and of course they just disappeared into the night,

 
 
 
Ronin2
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17.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @17    5 years ago

You should include the year behind that 7/2 and 7/15? By your post you are acting like Trump and Miller closed it; when it was really Biden.

General Asadullah Kohistani told the BBC that the US left Bagram at 03:00 local time on Friday, and that the Afghan military found out hours later.

Bagram also contains a prison, and there are reportedly up to 5,000 Taliban prisoners left in the facility.

The Taliban have been advancing rapidly in Afghanistan as US troops withdraw.

General Kohistani said on Monday that Afghan forces were expecting the Taliban to attack Bagram.

Speaking to reporters at the airbase, he said he was already receiving reports the group was making "movements in rural areas" nearby.

"You know, if we compare ourselves with the Americans, it's a big difference," Gen Kohistani said. "But according to our capabilities... we are trying to do the best and as much as possible secure and serve all the people."

The US announced on Friday that it had vacated Bagram, effectively completing its military campaign in Afghanistan ahead of the official end date of 11 September, announced by President Joe Biden earlier this year.

The withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan is more than 90% completed, the Pentagon's Central Command said on Tuesday.

The Americans left behind about 3.5 million items, Gen Kohistani said, including tens of thousands of bottles of water, energy drinks and military ready-made meals, known as MREs. They also left behind thousands of civilian vehicles, without keys, and hundreds of armoured vehicles, the Associated Press reported.

They took heavy weapons with them and detonated some ammunition stocks, but left behind small weapons and ammunition for the Afghans, Gen Kohistani said.

Asked by the Associated Press about the late-night withdrawal from the base, US military spokesman Colonel Sonny Leggett referred to a statement issued last week that said US forces had co-ordinated their departure from various bases with Afghan leaders.

The withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan is more than 90% completed, the Pentagon's Central Command said on Tuesday.

The Americans left behind about 3.5 million items, Gen Kohistani said, including tens of thousands of bottles of water, energy drinks and military ready-made meals, known as MREs. They also left behind thousands of civilian vehicles, without keys, and hundreds of armoured vehicles, the Associated Press reported.

They took heavy weapons with them and detonated some ammunition stocks, but left behind small weapons and ammunition for the Afghans, Gen Kohistani said.

Asked by the Associated Press about the late-night withdrawal from the base, US military spokesman Colonel Sonny Leggett referred to a statement issued last week that said US forces had co-ordinated their departure from various bases with Afghan leaders.

Also, if you read what I linked there is a damn good reason they disappeared into the night; because that is what Biden did to them. Leaving them behind with no air and logistical support and only small arms to defend the base with. What the fuck did they think was going to happen? Love the way the left blames Trump for Biden losing 5000 prisoners as well. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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17.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @17.1    5 years ago

I corrected the dates for any morons that did not follow the time line.

Asked by the Associated Press about the late-night withdrawal from the base, US military spokesman Colonel Sonny Leggett referred to a statement issued last week that said US forces had co-ordinated their departure from various bases with Afghan leaders.

I would also suggest that since the Trump Treaty was signed by Pompeo and members of the Taliban,

that it was the Taliban who were notified.

The Afghans did not have to release those prisoners but they did.

Be honest for once.

If Biden had reneged on the Taliban deal and our military had any deaths or injuries

you would be just as bent out of shape as you are now,

There is no easy or perfect solution 

only 2 more days of hand wringing

before we find out what the Taliban are made of.

I do not have high expectations but one can hope,

 
 
 
Ronin2
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17.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @17.1.1    5 years ago
I would also suggest that since the Trump Treaty was signed by Pompeo and members of the Taliban, that it was the Taliban who were notified.

WTF! Why would Biden notify the Taliban; and not the Afghan military and government? Where is the smooth transition from US control to Afghan military control? Sneaking out in the dead of night; and turning off the lights at the base what idiot does that? Seems the local looters were aware of the US plans on leaving though.

The Afghans did not have to release those prisoners but they did

The Afghans didn't, they fled. The Taliban did, when they took over w/o a fight.  

Be honest for once.

If Biden had reneged on the Taliban deal and our military had any deaths or injuries

you would be just as bent out of shape as you are now,

You be honest. Trump's plan never called for Bagram to be evacuated until the withdrawal deadline. Biden made a unilateral decision to extend the withdrawal date to 8/31. It was Biden's decision to vacate Bagram before the deadline, and with civilians still all over Afghanistan. Biden could have put more troops into Bagram at any time. Would 8,000 US marines that were put into Karzai Airport be enough to hold it? Plus air support since Bagram could have supported drones, jets, and  Apaches and Black Hawks. Karzai Airport has no US air defense; because it can't support it. It is everything it can do just to get the evacuation aircraft in and out. 

There is no easy or perfect solution

No, there isn't thanks to Biden's miscues at every level we are left with trying to use Karzai Airport. I hope Biden and his team have a plan for getting the last few plane loads of troops out. The first option would be air support; but we don't have any. The only option left is going to be a lot of prayers for the troops. A moron with an RPG could take down one aircraft easily and scuttle the operation; and leave the remaining troops stranded.

only 2 more days of hand wringing before we find out what the Taliban are made of.

We already know what they are made of. They released 5,000 prisoners from Bagram; including ISIS/ISIL, ISIS-K, and Al Qaeda. They are stopping US citizens and those that aided us at their check points and not allowing them to reach the airport. They allowed ISIS K terrorists past their check points to attack the airport. They are our enemy, period. The fact that Biden has entrusted them with the security of our troops, and the safe passage of those we need to get out is ridiculous. Only two more days until US civilians will be stranded on their own in Afghanistan. That thought makes one proud to be an American./S

I do not have high expectations but one can hope,

Hope if for suckers. Hope is what you have left when all of your plans fail miserably; and there is nothing left.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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17.1.3  1stwarrior  replied to  Ronin2 @17.1.2    5 years ago

512

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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18  Buzz of the Orient    5 years ago

Another question - about pulling out most of the troops before making sure all the civilian Americans and Afghan helpers and their families were evacuated?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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18.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @18    5 years ago

Ross Wilson, the Ambassador has been hounding Americans to get out since March.

They just would not listen

or get the vaccine or wear masks

/s

 
 
 
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18.1.1  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @18.1    5 years ago
Ross Wilson, the Ambassador has been hounding Americans to get out since March. They just would not listen

Maybe because Biden was singing a far different tune; and they were stupid enough to listen to him since he is the PotUS. They won't make that mistake ever again.

or get the vaccine or wear masks

Or keep the Southern Border closed and allowed the biggest super spreader event ever. (Sorry, no sarc tag; because sadly that is the absolute truth.)

 
 

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