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When A Media Watchdog Calls Out A Fact-Checker

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  62 comments

By:   Steve Jordahl and Billy Davis

When A Media Watchdog Calls Out A Fact-Checker
Bozell and the other groups listed numerous examples in which PolitiFact tip-toed around the truth when the target was a Democrat, such as White House press secretary Jen Psaki. It is doubtful the letter will be well-received by Poynter, which is likely well-aware that MRC ripped Poynter in an August 9 article for accepting donations from George Soros’s Open Society Foundation and from the Omidyar Network, named for far-left billionaire Pierre Omidyar.

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These fact checkers need to be called out and questioned on their methodology as well as their motivation and objectivity.  They seem to exist to protect the mainstream media as much as to find “truth”. The fact checkers are tools of the left to try to maintain monopoly and to check the rise of alternative media.  They are also pro democrat and anti Republican tools and frame their work and research in a partisan manner and disguise it as objectivity and least biased while calling their opposition questionable and conspiracy and pseudoscience.  The article take down of politifact is complete and snopes plagiarizing scandal are just the beginning of the total discrediting of all the affiliated fact checkers.  


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A prominent media watchdog that documents left-wing propaganda is going after PolitiFact, and also its left-wing donations from billionaire megadonors, after enduring biased fact-checking for years.

Led by  Media Research Center  founder Brent Bozell, more than 40 conservative leaders have sent an open letter to  the International Fact Checking Network  (IFCN) asking it to remove PolitiFact from its list of approved fact-checkers.

Florida-based Poynter Institute launched the IFCN in 2015 as a main source for fact-checking organizations to agree to and adhere to a set of standards and principles.

PolitiFact is operated by Poynter, too, but the fact-checking website has been criticized and mocked by conservatives for  fact-checking obscure Facebook posts,  for example, while Democrat politicians are rarely cornered by their own fact-challenged claims.

MRC spokesman Dan Gainor says his group has been on the receiving end of numerous claims of “false” information from PolitiFact including, most recently, for using a CDC graphic to show the low number of hospitalizations in many areas of the country. For its own graphic, the CDC used the counties that comprise the Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET), which shows fewer than 2,000 people are hospitalized in the U.S. with COVID-19. That coverage area includes about 100 counties in 10 major U.S. states.

“Basically they were saying,  You didn’t include enough information ,” Gainor says of PolitiFact’s August 5 fact-check, which can be read  here . “But it’s a graphic. Graphics, by definition, compress information.”

Along with the graphic, MRC included links to web pages that gave the full context of the graph.

According to the fact-check, MRC was claiming there were approximately 2,000 people hospitalized across the country, but that itself would be an odd claim to make, and an easy one to refute, since many hospitals across the country are crowded with patients.

PolitiFact, in fact, assumes in its fact-check that MRC was attempting to mislead the public rather than putting the numbers in context, which is a pretty standard tactic for the fact-checking website itself. PolitiFact then goes on to describe the number of hospitalized patients in Florida and Texas, which are incidentally “red” states that have witnessed relentless left-wing media coverage of their cases and scrutiny of their Republican leaders.

In the letter to Poynter, Bozell and the other groups listed numerous examples in which PolitiFact tip-toed around the truth when the target was a Democrat, such as White House press secretary Jen Psaki.

It is doubtful the letter will be well-received by Poynter, which is likely well-aware that MRC ripped Poynter  in an August 9 article  for accepting donations from George Soros’s Open Society Foundation and from the Omidyar Network, named for far-left billionaire Pierre Omidyar.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago
A prominent media watchdog that documents left-wing propaganda is going after PolitiFact, and also its left-wing donations from billionaire megadonors, after enduring biased fact-checking for years.

Led by  Media Research Center  founder Brent Bozell, more than 40 conservative leaders have sent an open letter to  the International Fact Checking Network  (IFCN) asking it to remove PolitiFact from its list of approved fact-checkers.

Florida-based Poynter Institute launched the IFCN in 2015 as a main source for fact-checking organizations to agree to and adhere to a set of standards and principles.

PolitiFact is operated by Poynter, too, but the fact-checking website has been criticized and mocked by conservatives for  fact-checking obscure Facebook posts,  for example, while Democrat politicians are rarely cornered by their own fact-challenged claims.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago
Media Research Center

These people have been whack jobs forever. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 years ago
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 years ago

They are exactly to us what MBFC is to the secular progressive left.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago
A prominent media watchdog that documents left-wing propaganda is going after PolitiFact,

What a load of irony in those few words of victim hood.

Top 10 Sites To Help Students Check Their Facts

AllSides .

While not a fact-checking site, AllSides curates stories from right, center and left-leaning media so that readers can easily compare how bias influences reporting on each topic. 

Fact Check .

This nonpartisan, nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania monitors the factual accuracy of what is said by U.S. political players, including politicians, TV ads, debates, interviews and news releases.

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Media Matters .

This nonprofit and self-described liberal-leaning research center monitors and corrects conservative misinformation in the media.

Truth or Fiction .

This nonpartisan website where Internet users can quickly and easily get information about eRumors, fake news, disinformation, warnings, offers, requests for help, myths, hoaxes, virus warnings, and humorous or inspirational stories that are circulated by email.

Open Secrets .

This nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit website run by the Center for Responsive Politics tracks how much and where candidates get their money.

Politifact .

This Pulitzer Prize winning website rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials. Run by editors and reporters from the independent newspaper Tampa Bay Times, Politicfact features the Truth-O-Meter that rates statements as “True,” “Mostly True,” “Half True,” “False,” and “Pants on Fire.”

ProPublica .

This independent, nonprofit newsroom has won several Pulitzer Prizes, including the 2016 Prize for Explanatory Reporting. ProPublica produces investigative journalism in the public interest.

Snopes .

This independent, nonpartisan website run by professional researcher and writer David Mikkelson researches urban legends and other rumors. It is often the first to set the facts straight on wild fake news claims.

The Sunlight Foundation .

This nonpartisan, nonprofit organization uses public policy data-based journalism to make politics more transparent and accountable.

Washington Post Fact Checker .

Although the Washington Post has a left-center bias, its checks are excellent and sourced. The bias shows up because they fact check conservative claims more than liberal ones.

Needless to point out is that millionaire Bozell's site isn't one of the top 10 listed.

When your own press releases include this gem,

In its 2006 annual report, the group's founder wrote that MRC "continued to regularly provide intellectual ammunition to conservative activists, arming them with the weapons to fight the leftist press."

You aren't an objective fact checker at all.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @1.2    4 years ago

Are there any "right leaning" prominent fact checkers?  Doesnt seem so.  Its more fun to proceed without facts, let alone check them. . 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @1.2    4 years ago

All of those are far left sites of zero credibility to us.  There is no truth or value to any of them.  They are tools of the political left, the mainstream media, and big tech social media.  They are of no value.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.1    4 years ago

Give us your right wing fact checker sites. And dont say "all of them". 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    4 years ago

There’s this one:

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @1.2    4 years ago
You aren't an objective fact checker at all.

I never claimed to be a fact checkers or neutral.  I am though your equal when it comes to objectivity and seeking the truth.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.5  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.4    4 years ago

You have never exhibited the slightest hint of objectivity or remotest interest in the truth in any of your comments that I've read.  Not once.  And that's the truth.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.4    4 years ago
You aren't an objective fact checker at all.
I never claimed to be a fact checkers or neutral.

Let me apologize for the sentence structure

or perhaps you did not read the full comment?

I did not claim that you were an non objective fact finder.

I said that if the corporate statement of MRC includes a statement complaining about "leftists"

then they (MRC) aren't objective at all.

To be objective one must resist making childish and churlish comments about the opposition.

Are we clear?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.4    4 years ago
I am though your equal when it comes to objectivity and seeking the truth.  

I had no idea you had aspirations to be a stand up comic.

You are off to a good start.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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MRC.ORG

Media Research Center (MRC)

Last updated on August 10th, 2021 at 10:34 am

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RIGHT BIAS

These media sources are moderate to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by appealing to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy.   See all Right Bias sources.

  • Overall, we rate Media Research Center strongly right biased based on advocacy for a conservative agenda and Mixed for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda, pseudoscience, and a poor fact check record by their primary sources.

Bias Rating:   RIGHT
Factual Reporting:  MIXED
Country:   USA (44/180 Press Freedom)
Media Type:   Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity:   Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating:   LOW CREDIBILITY

History

The Media Research Center (MRC) is a politically conservative content analysis organization based in Reston, Virginia,   founded in 1987   by activist L. Brent Bozell III. Its stated mission is to “prove—through sound scientific research—that liberal bias in the media does exist and undermines traditional American values.” According to their   about page , “MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement.”

Read our profile on the United States government and media.

Funded by / Ownership

The Media Research Center is a 501(c)(3) Nonprofit organization. MRC is funded through donations, with some large donors including the   Bradley Scaife Olin Castle Rock Carthage , and JM foundations. It also receives funding from  ExxonMobil  due to its   skepticism on Climate Change . MRC also owns the Questionable news source   CNS News   as well as the factually Mixed right biased   Newsbusters . T he  Heritage Foundation   states that  Rebekah Mercer  serves on the board of Media Research Center. Rebekah Mercer is the daughter of right-wing philanthropist Robert Mercer who heavily funded the Trump Campaign.

Analysis / Bias

In review, MRC does not actually produce original content but rather links to other websites such as MRCTV, Newsbusters, and CNS News. These sources frequently utilize strong loaded emotional language such as this:   The Embarrassing Questions NBC’s Moderators NEVER Asked . Articles are typically properly sourced; however, they use the Questionable CNS News as a primary source. CNS News has failed numerous fact checks by IFCN fact-checkers.

The primary purpose of MRC is to expose liberal bias in the media. They often claim there is a conspiracy in the media to promote liberalism while suppressing conservatism. Journalist Brian Montopoli of   Columbia Journalism Review  in 2005   labeled MRC   “just one part of a wider movement by the far right to demonize corporate media” rather than “make the media better.” Essentially, MRC is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party.

When it comes to science, MRC advocates for   human-influenced   climate denialism   as well as   creationism .

Failed Fact Checks

Overall, we rate Media Research Center strongly right biased based on advocacy for a conservative agenda and Mixed for factual reporting due to the promotion of propaganda, pseudoscience, and a poor fact check record by their primary sources. (7/19/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 8/10/2021)

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Vic Eldred
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2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 years ago

Oh ya, our very own leftist measuring stick!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago

It’s hilarious people cite media bias fact check as an objective source.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago

Did you know that MBFC is affiliated with that same IFCN and Poynter group and that they are funded by Soros and Omidyar?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    4 years ago

It’s just the same type of outfit as Snopes and Politifact.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    4 years ago
people cite media bias fact check as an objective source.

It would truly be hard to find a source that is less objective, fair, balanced, biased than that one.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    4 years ago

It’s hilarious people cite media bias fact check as an objective source.

XX/HA has used it several times. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    4 years ago

It would truly be hard to find a source that is less objective, fair, balanced, biased than that one.  

Then why do you use it? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.5    4 years ago

As if anyone here has a choice…

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.6    4 years ago

To weaponize it to content control and censor you liberals at every rare opportunity just as you all use it to content control and censor our religious and political beliefs.  And yes when a liberal uses it to say how far right a source is when theirs is just as far left, I’ll point it out.  Fact checkers are not objective and do nothing to promote comity.  The opposite is true.  They harden positions on each side and make debate dialogue more rancorous not less.  They are being used by one side to content control and censor the expression of the other and the other knows it and works around it. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.9  Vic Eldred  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    4 years ago

Didn't know and not surprised

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.9    4 years ago

Yep it’s true and they are proud to point out their affiliation with Poynter and IFCN on their web site in order to encourage more to use their site in their business models.  They openly brag there about how many intellectually lazy and weak minded groups and organizations  use their product for content control and as a censorship tool in their businesses.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 years ago

MBFC is a part of that same partisan cabal.  Of course they all don’t like people who question their methods, objectivity, and motivation.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 years ago
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.4    4 years ago

Fact checkers are tools of the establishment elites to keep a thumb on populist and religious viewpoints and subjugate the masses.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2    4 years ago

This is a lie and why the seeded article came to be written.  To refute it and call out the liars who said it.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.5.1  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5    4 years ago

This is a lie and why the seeded article came to be written.  To refute it and call out the liars who said it.  

Did you read the article? You really should. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.2  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5    4 years ago

Did you follow that link and see the actual title?

Group falsely claims there are less than 2,000 current COVID-19 hospitalizations

Someone stuck a video in one of my seeds yesterday which started with a picture of 3 or 4 Blackhawk helicopters flying across a tarmac merged with a photo of a generic Taliban fighter.

The article title was Taliban rides captured Blackhawk.

The seed picture was a falsehood. The video was what the New York Post claims was the result of several doomed attempts to fly the Blackhawks and was actually less than 30 seconds of someone taxiing a Blackhawk in circles on the runway.

More less than objective BS.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.2    4 years ago
More less than objective BS.

That would be everyone associated with IFCN and Poynter with all their Soros influence.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.5.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.2    4 years ago
  • Fauci’s first comments were that masks are not effective in the community, after which he recommended people wear one or even two masks — he stated the spread of the virus was unlike anything he’s seen before, but the varying severity of the illness he quotes are much like the flu virus.
  • In a video from a Senate committee, Jim Jordan, (D-Ohio), quickly illustrates the change in Fauci’s position over gain-of-function research in the last 18 months, from “it never happened” to “it would have been negligent not to fund the lab.”
  • Fauci has consistently been nudging up the percentage of people required to be vaccinated to achieve what he calls   herd immunity . He started at 60% and currently believes it may need to reach 85%. “But I’m not going to say 90%” — right now, he says.

The past 18 months has provided   Dr. Anthony Fauci , director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and chief medical adviser to the president of the U.S., ample opportunity to truthfully share information about an ongoing health situation.

However, as his statements have been tracked, it appears he has not taken the higher path of truth that would have helped Americans make smart decisions.

Instead, he has engaged in what the daily online magazine Slate labeled “noble lies.” The writer   asks this question : “Do we want public health officials to report facts and uncertainties transparently? Or do we want them to shape information?”




Where was the "fact checking" on Fauci?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.5.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @2.5.1    4 years ago

Do you have a point?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @2.5.1    4 years ago

I did before i seeded it.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.5    4 years ago

I was hoping he’d reply with the point that he was attempting to make today….

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.4    4 years ago

Great post!  That’s why us red communities don’t want ourselves to be all Fauci’d over.  The left wing so called objective fact checkers that we all despise with every fiber of our being will never ding or question anything he says though they will censor and content control anyone who presumes to dare to disagree with his royal worship.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.9  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.4    4 years ago
Where was the "fact checking" on Fauci?

The article is about fact checking  journalism and

we can probably cherry pick public figures live statements for a long time.

My personal favorites are

320

and the whole 2020 State of the Union address...

320

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.10  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.6    4 years ago

Again... Frost meant, did you read the article you linked in 2.5?

It was a rhetorical question because it's obvious you did not.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.11  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.8    4 years ago
The left wing so called objective fact checkers that we all despise with every fiber of our being will never ding or question anything he says though they will censor and content control anyone who presumes to dare to disagree with his royal worship.

You claim to be objective?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.11    4 years ago

Not at the time.  I am an evangelical Christian pupulist conservative America first nationalist. When discussing issues I argue them from that perspective.  Do you think that you are?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.9    4 years ago

Trumps 2020 SOTU address was a great speech!  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.15  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.14    4 years ago

Full of lies and exaggerations. No need to fact check them.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.16  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.15    4 years ago

No it wasn’t.  Yours is a subjective partisan approach to his speech.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.17  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.5.16    4 years ago

Why is Vic posting negative book reports about the size of the US Navy if Mr Trump restored the military and threw all sorts of money at it?

Why don't we have more ships for the $2trillion Trump claims he authorized?

Did he build a big beautiful wall? No only 452 replacement miles

Did Mexico pay for it?  NO

Can 12 year old girs scale it in 15 seconds with just their hands and feet?  Yes

Are huge sections damaged by floods? yes

"I am thrilled to report to you tonight that our economy is the best it has ever been."

Not even remotely true even if the same economy had not collapsed due to the pandemic.

"After losing 60,000 factories under the previous two administrations, America has now gained 12,000 new factories".

Truly misleading, it is more correct to say 12,000 new businesses with an average of 5 employees were added that have some manufacturing capacity.  Since 1997 over 91,000 plants disappeared with an average of 55 employees meaning a loss of 5 million jobs.  Obama added almost 500,000 jobs all of which were erased.

However, the 2016–2019 gains did not represent an improvement over prior years in that decade, and even the decade’s overall gains had managed to restore only a fraction of the nearly 5 million manufacturing jobs lost since 1998. Notably, recent years’ manufacturing gains were abruptly wiped out by the COVID-19 crisis—with 740,000 manufacturing jobs lost this year, alone.

“If President Trump wants to take credit for the job growth at the tail end of a decade of recovery from the Great Recession, then he must also own this collapse, thanks to his administration’s mismanagement of the pandemic—including a refusal to organize an effective national response,” said Scott.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.5.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.17    4 years ago
Why is Vic posting negative book reports about the size of the US Navy

You need to ask me.

BTW the dems are back in power and are again spending wildly. The only part of the budget that is flat is the military side. So we'll have to fund them all over again by 2024.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.5.19  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.17    4 years ago
Why don't we have more ships for the $2trillion Trump claims he authorized?

I'm guessing a lot of that cash was eaten up by slip fees the secret service and coast guard incurred at mar-a-lago...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.5.20  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @2.5.19    4 years ago

And dont forget the Billions in equipment that Joe Biden left in Afghanistan. I'd say the Taliban just became a potent army in the middle east.

They love Joe.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.20    4 years ago

All of America’s enemies love him.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.5.22  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.18    4 years ago

Well gee whiz Vic, in between your standup bits at Improv Boston, maybe you could explain to the readers how the budget works

and how we are still exercising the last Trump budget not a Biden budget for the next fiscal year. (October 1 is fast approaching)

2021 Defense appropriated 703.5 billion

2021 Department of Veterans Affairs appropriated 240 billion

2022 Biden budget for Defense asked for 705.9 Billion (That's what the Defense Secretary asked for.) Congress made it $740B

2022 Biden budget for DVA asked for 269.9 Billion

Sure doesn't look flat yet when you consider we aren't in a major conflict

and 2017's budget of 610 billion was a third of the worlds spending on military "needs".

It's an unnecessary increase of 13% over 2017.

No worries though, the budget was 690B for 2019 and we spent $725B,

We are on track to spend $733B for 2020.

Now that we are out of the shit hole, maybe we won't have such an overrun this year unless

we steal their funding for a Drummond stye wall across the southern border.

I have hope for all of us, after all Paul Ryan and now Ann Coulter have seen the light.

in 2009 we budgeted $513B and spent $833B

Obama went on to increase Defense spending by 10%

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.5.23  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @2.5.10    4 years ago
Again... Frost meant, did you read the article you linked in 2.5? It was a rhetorical question because it's obvious you did not.

Correct, and thanks SP. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.5.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @2.5.19    4 years ago

We did get more ships but not enough more to fix the damage Obama did to our military for 8 years. Now we have to brace for 4 more lean years and surrendering to whoever challenges us with idiot elected by those taking leave of their senses in charge.    

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.5.25  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.5.20    4 years ago
I'd say the Taliban just became a potent army in the middle east.

I have a suggestion about who would be the best at persuading the kurds to join our cause if need be.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    4 years ago

I will suggest you stop listening and start researching for your self.

Obama increased defense spending by at least 10%

Obama Increased Real Defense Spending by More Than 10 Percent | CNSNews

Oh lookie there CNS is an offshoot of L. Brent Bozell and MRC.

So is it BS or is it true????????

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3    4 years ago

United States: Ratio of military spending to gross domestic product (GDP) from 2009 to 2019

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    4 years ago

Did you forget how to link things?

The US spend roughly as much on defense as China, Russia, India, Saudi Arabia, France, Germany and the UK

That's ridiculous.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    4 years ago

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U.S. Space Force senior enlisted adviser Chief Master Sgt. Roger Towberman presents the Space Force Flag to President Trump on Friday in the Oval Office.

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Split Personality
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3.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    4 years ago

no but whenever you are ready to talk math and interpret graphs, I can help.

Look at the chart and figure out that the higher bars in 2009 - 2011

reflect the great depression and naturally declined as the economy improved.

You're welcome.

The Defense budgets in real $$$ increased steadily over time as did the actual spending.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    4 years ago

Another waste of duplications of chains of command, SOPs, uniforms and minutia

to satisfy Trumps ego.

We have no space station, no Moon or Mars colonies, nada.

It's a Space Farce.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.4    4 years ago

We will have all of the above and it’s important to have a force ready.  We do have assets in space we need to protect. We need to be in control of the highest battleground which is space.  

 
 

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