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GOP senators float Biden probe as Ukraine controversy escalates

  
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GOP senators float Biden probe as Ukraine controversy escalates
 

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A pair of GOP chairmen are floating the idea of investigating former Vice President   Joe Biden   as Democratic calls grow for   President Trump   to be impeached over his communications with Ukraine's leader.

Sens.   Ron Johnson   (R-Wis.) and   Lindsey Graham   (R-S.C.) both raised the possibility of an investigation into Biden after the White House released a record of a July 25 phone call that showed Trump asking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to look into Biden.

Democrats have reacted to the records released by the White House by saying they make the case for impeachment, but Republicans are countering with calls for Biden to be investigated.

"I've got some real legitimate questions about what happened with Vice President Biden, Hunter Biden, what was happening over there. ... I have a lot of questions that should be answered," Johnson, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, told reporters on Wednesday.

He said that it would be "completely appropriate" for the Senate to probe Biden.

Asked if there would be a Senate investigation, he added: "As part of my oversight responsibilities we continue to ask questions, we continue to gather information, oversight letters on a host of issues, that would certainly be one of them."

Trump and his allies have latched onto Biden’s connection to Ukraine as the former vice president seeks the Democratic nomination to challenge Trump in 2020.

Hunter Biden worked on the board of a natural gas company owned by a Ukrainian oligarch while his father served as vice president. Joe Biden pushed in 2016 for the dismissal of a Ukrainian prosecutor who had been accused of overlooking corruption in his own office, threatening to withhold money if the prosecutor was not fired.

There’s no indication Joe Biden was acting with his son’s interests in mind and the former vice president has denied doing so. But Trump and his allies, including   Rudy Giuliani , have pushed for an investigation into the Bidens in Ukraine and decried the former vice president as “corrupt.”

Trump, according to a five-page readout of the call, suggested Zelensky work with Giuliani to investigate, telling him "whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great."

Graham, who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, said on Wednesday that he thought someone "should look at corruption," but that the probe should be outside of the Senate.

"I hope somebody will look at why the guy was fired," he added.

Graham, a close ally of Trump's on Capitol Hill, has called for a probe into the Bidens amid reports that Trump and Giuliani urged Ukraine to investigate Biden.

He told radio host Hugh Hewitt that he thought without an investigation there would be a double standard against Trump, who was at the center of a two-year investigation into the 2016 election.

"The prosecutor was looking at things in the Ukraine, and he got fired, and there’s all kind of allegations about the Ukraine dumping information into the legal system and political system in 2016 about [Paul] Manafort and others, you know, Hunter Biden, what kind of situation did he have financially?" Graham asked.



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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

It would be hard to ignore then, wouldn't it?

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2  Sunshine    7 years ago

384

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2    7 years ago

Ridiculous cartoon.

Hunter Biden and Devon Archer joined the previous President of Poland and the former US CIA Director of Counter Terrorism on the board of Burisma in 2014 , the board would grow to 22 members over the years, currently at 7 members.  Should we investigate all of the former board members?

if so, what the hell for?

Joe Biden pressured the newly elected government of Ukraine in 2016 to fire Shokin, who refused to pursue cases against Putin cronies.

There’s a strong case that Hunter Biden’s position with the company had nothing to do with Biden’s position on Shokin’s ouster. That’s because Western leaders and institutions were largely united in seeking Shokin’s removal, arguing that he was not pursuing corruption cases aggressively. 

For instance, in early 2016, International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde said that "it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue" unless corruption prosecutions accelerate.

Steven Pifer is a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton and deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs under President George W. Bush. Pifer told PolitiFact that "virtually everyone" he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine "felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed from office."

Anders Åslund, a resident senior fellow at Atlantic Council, a think tank in Washington, agreed that criticism of Shokin was widespread

Shokin "failed to prosecute anybody of significance, protecting both the Yanukovych circle and the Poroshenko group," Åslund said.

Daria Kaleniuk, the executive director of the Anti-Corruption Action Center, a leading anti-corruption voice in Ukraine, tweeted earlier this month that Shokin’s firing was not about protecting the company Hunter Biden was working for. The firing "was obviously not because the prosecutor wanted to investigate Burisma & Zlochevsky," she wrote.

Meanwhile, accounts differ on whether Shokin was poised to prosecute Burisma at the time he was removed.

In an interview with the Ukrainian website Strana.ua this month, Shokin said the cases were indeed active.

However, Vitaliy Kasko, who had been Shokin’s deputy overseeing international cooperation before resigning in February 2016 citing corruption in the office, produced documents to Bloomberg that under Shokin, the investigation into Burisma had been dormant.

"There was no pressure from anyone from the U.S. to close cases against Zlochevsky," Kasko told Bloomberg. "It was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in 2014 and through 2015."

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @2.2    7 years ago

Regurgitating the same bs doesn't make it true.  It is only speculation.  

What we do know is Joe Biden used extortion on a foreign government to fire their prosecutor who had an active investigation involving the company Hunter Biden was a board member of.  After the prosecutor was fired because of extortion on Biden's part (which Joe Biden bragged about) the case was closed.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.1    7 years ago

Your cartoon says "hire my son and get a billion $ in aid"

Hunter Biden worked for a private company since 2014 which had nothing to do with Biden's push to get rid

of Shokin in 2016 .

There conflicting accounts whether there was even an active investigation against Burisma.

Shokin  ( now living in Moscow) insists there was.  Everyone else says otherwise.

Who to believe? 

Shrug.

Bottom line is that Hunter's issues and personal problems had nothing to do with Joe Biden and Obama and every other country in the EU that wanted Poroshenko cronies out of the Ukranian government ASAP.

On March 29, the Ukrainian Rada finally approved the resignation of Ukraine’s disreputable Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. He was voted out with an overwhelming majority of 289 votes, including 114 of the 134 deputies of the Poroshenko Bloc. On February 16, Shokin was forced to submit his letter of resignation in connection with the failed vote of no confidence in the government of Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

The amazing thing is not that he was sacked but that it has taken so long. President Petro Poroshenko appointed Shokin to the role in February 2015. From the outset, he stood out by causing great damage even to Ukraine’s substandard legal system. Most strikingly, Shokin failed to prosecute any single prominent member of the Yanukovych regime. Nor did he prosecute anyone in the current government.

Shokin skillfully blocked reform. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution, which the European Union had insisted on for years . It aimed to reduce the role of the prosecutors, who were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine. The law also involved a reevaluation of all prosecutors with the intention of weeding out corrupt and incompetent prosecutors. Shokin manipulated the process so successfully that the old prosecutors prevailed and minimal renewal occurred.

For these reasons, Shokin has stood out as the most obvious obstacle to judicial reform. US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt called for his ouster in all but name in a speech last September , and Vice President Joe Biden did so explicitly during his visit to Ukraine last December.

To an outsider, it seems strange that Shokin was allowed to do so much damage for so long, but he has clearly enjoyed Poroshenko’s full confidence and is even godfather to one of Poroshenko’s children.

The reason for the delay became clear today. Minutes before his demise, Shokin sacked Deputy Prosecutor General Davit Sakvarelidze, who has actually fought corruption. Vitaliy Kasko, another young deputy prosecutor general, gave up and resigned in mid-February, understanding that the prosecutor general’s office could not be reformed from within. As a consequence, Shokin has cleansed it from young intruders who want to prosecute wrongdoing. First Deputy Prosecutor General Yuriy Sevruk, a reliable old Shokin hand, has become acting prosecutor general.

The ousters of Sakvarelidze and Kasko are more significant than the long-overdue retirement of the 64-year-old Shokin. These two young prosecutors became famous for arresting the top prosecutor in Kyiv after finding vast amounts of cash, gold, and precious stones in his office. Shokin responded by prosecuting them for this and Kasko just had his assets frozen. Shokin has also instigated a case against a leading anticorruption activist in Kyiv, Vitaliy Shabunin, and the Poroshenko Bloc has expelled two deputies, Mykola Tomenko and Yegor Firsov, from parliament under a controversial law it recently adopted. Their crime was their protests against corruption.

While few will miss Shokin, his belated ouster is unlikely to help the battle against corruption in Ukraine. Instead, a fight against anticorruption activists has been launched. What a sordid story to say the least.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.2    7 years ago
There conflicting accounts whether there was even an active investigation against Burisma.

No there isn't. 

The Burisma Group with oil and gas assets in Ukraine has reported that all legal proceedings and pending criminal allegations against its President Mykola Zlochevsky and operating companies of Burisma Group have been closed.
"The decision to fully close all pending legal proceedings and criminal allegations was the result of many months of cooperation between the Prosecutor General's Office (PGO) and the legal team representing the Burisma Group," the group said in a press release issued on Thursday.
Burisma said that the Pechersky District Court of Kyiv obliged the PGO of Ukraine to close the case against Zlochevsky and remove him from the wanted list.

Zlochevsky had been on the lam when Biden strong armed Ukraine to fire Shokin.  

Again, you are just repeating speculation.
You have been given facts which you choose to ignore.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.3    7 years ago

good link!

From the next article dated May14 2019

Ukrainian prosecutor general set to share Burisma case materials with U.S. agencies

Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko has said that he is willing to meet with U.S. law enforcement officials to share materials of the Burisma probe and to ask them to check the activities of some U.S. citizens in the case.

"I am ready and willing to meet with the leadership of the U.S. law enforcement agencies to provide them with all necessary materials so that they can check the legality of actions of all U.S. citizens implicated in the Burisma case," Lutsenko said in an interview with Ukrainian television channels on Tuesday.

That is beyond his scope of competence, but he is open to international cooperation in probing the case, Lutsenko said. "I believe it would be nice if all those citizens answered those questions and an end was put to the scandal that is being used for political purposes," he said.
"The message for Ukraine is quite easy to understand: from the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, we are now seeing no violation of Ukrainian laws by American citizens in the Burisma case," Lutsenko added.

So where's the smoke?  the fire?  The US investigation?  Since May 2019? 

Don't you think this would have been a major news story if there was anything to it?

After all, innuendo is all it takes, right?

There isn't any innuendo unless the last three Prosecutor Generals of Ukraine were all incompetent,

which is still a possibility.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Quiet
2.2.5  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.4    7 years ago
So where's the smoke?  the fire?

Well, the owner of Burisma fleeing from the country that is investigating him would be a good indicator that there are some serious flames. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

And then he gets to return after Biden threatens Ukraine into firing the person investigating him and Burisma and Biden's son, but I guess is just a quinky dink.  lol.

Shokin must not have been cooperating with Joe.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2.2.5    7 years ago

Zlochesky was/is dirty.

He served in President Yanukovych's cabinet for more than 4 years years.

He was the minister of Ecology and Natural Resources from 2010 to 2012  and was the deputy secretary for Economic and Social Security on the National Defense Security  Council from April 2012 until February 2014.

He mysteriously came into control of almost 35% of Ukraine's natural gas leases by non public bid contracts with the government. (Yanukovch )

The first probe in 2014 was closed in 2015 and the British agreed in 2016 releasing his frozen assets.  A second probe was closed in December 2017.  It was reopened in June of 2018 after phone calls between Poroshenko and Zlochesky implicated both in graft and corruption.

It's a typical Russian geo-political mess of corruption between oligarchs.

The Current PG Lutsenko has been trying to give all of there investigate material to our STate Dept and justice Departments since march and there are no takers.

"The message for Ukraine is quite easy to understand: from the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, we are now seeing no violation of Ukrainian laws by American citizens in the Burisma case," Lutsenko added.

The Ukrainians have however reopened the case against Zlochesky.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  JohnRussell    7 years ago
Democrats have reacted to the records released by the White House by saying they make the case for impeachment, but Republicans are countering with calls for Biden to be investigated.

Of course they are. It isnt possible to defend Trump, so let's muddy up someone else. Its not going to work this time. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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3.2  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @3    7 years ago
Democrats have reacted to the records released by the White House by saying they make the case for impeachment,
It isnt possible to defend Trump,

It isn't possible to defeat Trump, so let's impeach him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @3.2    7 years ago
so let's impeach him.

They can impeach, but they can't convict - without convincing most of the country that they have reason to remove the President. That is an enormous task based on the cards they are holding, but it's the course Pelosi has set for them.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.1    7 years ago

Trump will do more to aid the impeachment, just by being himself, than any Democrat could do.  When its all said and done he will be in complete disgrace.  If he gets re-elected while he is in complete disgrace America will deserve to go under. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.2.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    7 years ago

Then get ready to drown.

You have been saying the same thing since before Trump took office; but the US is still floating.

All the Democrats have done is make independents like me that don't do the lesser of two evils garbage side with Trump. I want to remove the Democrats from power. Weaponizing the IRS, CIA, FBI, DOJ, and State Department against political rivals. Spying on US reporters (Where has Trump done that. The Dems would shit bricks if he tried.). Data mining (spying) all all US citizens and the rest of the world. Acting like EO's are laws.  We definitely don't need anymore of that.

The Democrats have been trying to get rid of Trump since before he took office, using any means necessary. Nixon abused the system far less; and he was going to be impeached by Congress before he resigned. Republicans sided with Democrats. Seems the Dems don't give a shit about rules, laws, or anything else when it involves on of theirs. Bill Clinton- perjury and obstruction- the Senate Dems standing proudly on the WH lawn in defiance of impeachment. Obama weaponizing every department of the government against his rivals; and obstruction in the Fast & Furious- nada, nothing, from the Dems. 

But they expect the Republicans do jump the shark and impeach Trump based on smoke and mirrors, and Democrat hard feelings.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.3    7 years ago

I cant stop someone from voting for an utter disgrace to America like Donald Trump.  I understand that. 

I have long ago accepted that decent Americans are at "war" with the most fanatic Trump supporters. I dont  run from that fact. 

Trump supporters are entirely responsible for what is going on in this country now. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    7 years ago
Trump will do more to aid the impeachment, just by being himself, than any Democrat could do.

Right now, for the first time, I think he's rattled. No president, even if they are not convicted, wants the blemish of impeachment on their record. However, as Iv'e said before the democrats have taken a big gamble here. I know Pelosi just couldn't restrain her members any longer.

BTW The New York Times (in separate articles) has confirmed that the Wistleblower was a CIA agent assigned to the White House and familiar with the archiving of the Presidents phone conversations.

The other Times article reports Trump demanding his staff get him the identity of the WB.

Can we believe the Times anymore? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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3.2.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to    7 years ago

You may want to start with "I didn't collude with Russia!" 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
3.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3    7 years ago

What do you care anyway, you have Liz Warren in the barn!

 
 

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