The Nunes Memo: Placing This Nation Into A Constitutional Crisis
The stupidity that is the Trump regime is set to release the Nunes memorandum either tomorrow or in the near future. This is over the objection of Trump's own choice of F.B.I. director and the Department of Justice. The debate is multifold if you are to listen to the political pundits on television and the radio. Depending on what side of the political spectrum you are on, the release of this memo is going to: [a] show that the FISA investigation of Carter Page was a violation of his constitutional rights, [b] there is systemic abuse in both the DOJ and FBI in the way American citizens are placed under surveillance, [c] an attempt to smear the Assistant Attorney General in order to force his resignation and replace him with a Trump toady who will either fire Robert Mueller or slow walk the investigation, or [d] to engage in a slow motion Saturday Night Massacre to get the President off the hook for the Russia investigation and mounting obstruction of justice evidence.
The key to this entire mess is that the Nunes memo means absolutely nothing. It is a fabricated summary written by Nunes with possible collaboration by either the white house or white house operatives. The document has been fully denounced by our nation's law enforcement agencies as [a] missing key information, [b] skewing information, [c] placing our national security in danger, and [d] not demonstrating cooperation with law enforcement agencies involved in the FISA process.
What does this all mean. The reality of FISA is that the only people who can issue actual FISA warrants are FISA judges appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Currently 80% of the FISA judges are republicans. That has never been an issue since they have always acted in an impartial manner. FISA warrants go through scrupulous oversight before they are presented to the FISA judge. At least a half dozen people review all the pertinent information prior to presentation to the FISA judge. The judge than asks as many questions as he or she may have and reviews the entire FISA file. There MUST be a predominance of evidence for the FISA warrant to be issued. It is never done without cause.
Even if there is a FISA warrant issued in error, there is legal recourse for the person who is wronged. There can be legal action brought against the FISA courts and the government can be sued for illegal surveillance. These would have been the real remedies that Carter Page could have used if he and/or the republican party were concerned about a violation of his civil rights.
But the joke we are seeing is a travesty. It is not the original FISA warrant that the republicans and the Trump regime are going after. That was issued in 2013. It is the reauthorization of the warrant that is causing the stir. Ron Rosenstein had to review the documentation that was already in place on Page. He also had to review new documentation that the FBI and DOJ had accumulated since 2013 to ensure that there was continuing probable cause. He then had to forward his findings to the FISA judge. This was nothing that wasn't routine for ongoing FISA investigations, but to hear the Trump regime talk about it, this is a massive conspiracy designed to impugn an honest, hardworking president. That conspiracy includes every democrat, the DOJ, the FBI, the Russian government, the media, all of the Trump hires that have turned on him, every "stoolie" talking to Robert Mueller, and ultimately every American that will not declare absolute fealty to the exalted leader.
The tactics we are seeing in this case have done nothing to either improve the standing of congress or the office of the presidency. We are collectively facing the actions of a group of people who are leading the nation into it's most serious constitutional crisis since the Civil War. We all have to take a step back and look at what we are seeing here. Obfuscation and denial. Obstruction of justice on a level not seen since Richard Nixon. This is a crisis for all Americans and as Americans we can not let the actions of a rogue administration supercede the rule of law. This goes beyond our individual politics. It is a test of our loyalty to the constitution of the United States and the vision of our founding fathers.
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What do the republicans think the Nunes memo is going to show? Do they understand the FISA process that they voted overwhelmingly to reauthorize just a few weeks ago?
in so many word...NO
was that before Trump was For then against then after a birds N bees heart to heart with Eddie Munster, FOR again right B FORE
heading out to what he lambasted Obama FORE So Damn Often!
Are you supposed to be posting under two different names?
I'm a schizophrenic. I have half a mind to flag you
Skirting the CoC [ph]
No comment on my bitchin new Avatar ?
Skirting the CoC [ph]
So you're comparing me with Rush Lindenburgh
isn't he the guy that can make someone look stupid, with half his brain tied behind his Fat Head
Oh quit being such a drama queen! Constitutional crisis???
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We have a President, and political party, trying to circumvent the Constitutional checks and balances preventing 1 branch from taking control of the country. What would you call it?
Keep whistlin’ Rex.
No, we HAD a President allowing his lackeys to be circumventing the Constitution....the "crisis" has already occurred. Considering the amount of corruption that took place under the previous ADM, having these checks and balances on who, how, when, and to what extent the DOJ and the FBI were complicit in covering up the abuse of power by those departments, the Congress is doing their due diligence.
There, fixed. Although, not the grammar.
How many of Obama's administration have been indicted?? Plead guilty?? After 9 investigations, they couldn't even find anything on Hillary.
Yeah, go home and bury yourself in your RWNJ wet dream, facts are something you do not understand.
Comment removed for CoC violation [ph], you are apparently unaware that Strozk is also the agent that pushed for re-opening Hillary's investigation after more email was found. skirting the CoC [ph]
While you're at it, let's take down Trump along with all his appointees.
just getting started peeling back the layers of corruption from the obummer era....there is more, much more. You all opened this can of worms, hope you enjoy what's coming.
skirting the CoC [ph]
and expanded and loosened control of...rule 702
It seems ridiculous to expand their (FISA) powers going forward for 6 more years
while claiming over reaches when someone on Nunes' team has been unmasked and investigated.
However, Trump has yet to sign or veto the bipartisan legislation - yet.
The most powerful point out here, yet they choose not to touch it...
We are collectively facing the actions of a group of people who are leading the nation into it's most serious constitutional crisis since the Civil War.
Weill done, that's some Grade A gas lighting. Hard to think of a better example in recent memory.
The House committee has gone out of its way to meticulously follow the legal steps to properly declassify a document and allowed the executive to make a few changes to ensure there is no issue of sensitive information being leaked. Liberal are now arguing that following the rule of law creates a constitutional crises. Nunes, of course, could have just done what Schiff routinely does and leak classified information to friendly reporters but instead handled it properly to ensure nothing improper is disclosed. As a reward for actually following the legal requirements for disclosing classified information, he is now, in what can only be described as wild, foam at the mouth, hyperbolic ranting, charged by the far left as creating a Constitutional crises.
After ignoring Congressional oversight requests for months (the makings of a real constitutional crises), the FBI is leaking classified information like a sieve as it engages in partisan politics and will undoubtedly illegally leak whatever information it believe will cast doubt on the memo. Does that bother anyone on the left? Of course not. It's the House of Representatives that followed the rule of law that the left attacks.
Man Tooooooooooooo Much
Cool, man.
I hope
you're referring to my
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Are you forgetting that the FBI and DOJ are headed by Trump appointees? Not exactly a bunch of liberals..
They can be replaced, no problem. The real problem is with the Obama career holdovers in both agencies. Time to clean house.
pleas start with the WHITE one
You must no follow Trump's twitter feed.
Not one fucking word was changed or redacted by the WH.
Unless the rule of law includes the standing rules of the House Intel Committee. Then, not so much.
Prove that Schiff leaked classified information of STFU.
Nunes didn't create it, he isn't intelligent enough. Yet with the assistance of Ryan and the rest of Trump's minions, Nunes has destroyed the integrity of the Intel Committee and it's relationship with the Intel Agencies.
Prove that the FBI is leaking classified information or STFU.
I don't speak for the left but the lies in your comment sure as hell bother me.
It's the GOP House Majority that abused it's power for political cover.
I read it. What word(s) would you redact to protect national security?
Judicial Watch filed an ethics complaint against Schiff for leaking classified information. I guess we’ll know if there’s proof if and when the matter is investigated.
If the FBI is involved in an abuse of power, then they destroyed their own integrity and should be held accountable.
Let me see. Their general counsel, James Baker, was supposedly being investigated for leaking classified information. Democrat Alan Dershowitz commented on the leaks. Democrat congressmen Cummings and Conyers called for an investigation over leaks etc.
If the FBI engaged in an abuse of power, then you think it should be covered up just because Republicans want to expose it?
Read ST's comment: "allowed the executive to make a few changes to ensure there is no issue of sensitive information being leaked."
So you're confirming that ST made the allegation without proof. Thanks.
That's a big fucking IF. Nunes says he's DONE investigating the FBI/FISA thingy and on to his fantasy of a State Dept. scandal.
Since the House Intel Majority WAS involved in abuse of power, their integrity is null and void.
You are obviously having an issue with the concept of PROOF and AGAIN confirming that ST has NONE.
No.
BTFW, you're deflecting. Though I must admit that I'm surprised that you didn't even bother to try to refute the FACT that the GOP House Majority abused it's power for political cover.
Again. What word(s) would you change and why?
That’s nonsensical. The reason you file a complaint is to examine the evidence in an investigation not assume the conclusion before the investigation. The allegations are coming from both sides. Investigate them.
Well, what would you do about resolving that big fucking IF? If Democrats or the FBI think the alleged facts surrounding the FISA warrant are fals or misleading, then point them out.
The house intel committee doesn’t have a thing to do with obtaining a FISA warrant nor were they involved in what the FBI did with it. Even if the house has no integrity at all, that has nothing to do with whether the FBI engaged in an abuse of power for political purposes. I’ll point out that the congress is a political entity and the FBI is not.
And you are obviously having a problem understanding that “proof” consists of evidence submitted in an investigation or trial. There has to be a forum for the “proof” to be submitted. That’s why they’re calling for an investigation. But I guess, to you, they need to first prove what they’re saying before an investigation can be opened to dertermine whether what they’re alleging is true. Again, nonsensical.
I’m not deflecting. Instead, I have no idea why you think it’s an abuse of power to expose an abuse of power (if that’s what you’re suggesting).
It isn't up to me to change anything. It's up to ST to support his claim. So far, he's failed to do so.
No it isn't. ST made an unsubstantiated allegation. ST is the one that 'assumed the conclusion', not I.
The FBI IG is there for a fucking reason. HE was the one that found and released the texts. THAT is the proper venue for allegations of wrongdoing by FBI agents.
They have and will, not that you'd bother to listen or read either of the rebuttals that are already out there.
Obtuse.
What a total load of BS.
'Proof' DOESN'T of necessity 'consists of evidence submitted in an investigation or trial', it need only be 'the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact'. H/T Webster's.
Neither you nor ST have posted one iota of proof, in fact tellingly, you've avoided doing so, instead you argue the definition of 'proof'.
Yet ST had no issue with proclaiming that the FBI was leaking classified information without an investigation OR a trial. You have no problem with what ST stated but decry my calling him out for spewing unsubstantiated BS.
It's an abuse of power to use your Committee to fabricate a scandal that doesn't exist with the goal of DEFLECTING from an investigation by the Agency you are excoriating.
Nobody said it was up to you. If you think something should have been changed, then point it out. If you can’t figure out what you would change, then your criticism is not worth much.
Allegations are coming from both sides. Do you or do you not agree that allegations (and the evidence supporting them) should be reviewed in an investigation of the FBI?
The FBI has been footdragging in sharing information with Congress and objected to the release of the Nunes memo. If the IG declines to investigate anything, should that be the end of it?
Unlike you, I can’t listen to or read what people “might” say or write. So far, all I’ve seen or heard is a general statement that the memo omits something but they don’t say what or explain why it’s relevant.
You think it’s obtuse to expect the FBI to be non-political or you don’t agree that congress is a political entity? Or maybe you think the FBI is acting properly just because the congress (in your view) is not?
The proof isn’t necessarily self-evident, as is the case here, and can be rebutted. The cogency of the proof is generally presented in a forum where somebody (judge or investigator) makes a decision based on whether or not he thinks the evidence is compelling enough to find in favor of the person making an allegation. You want the forum to be the court of public opinion (when we get no details from Democrats on their precise objections) or the FBI IG (who may not do anything)? If this were a court, I would say that the Nunes memo has put enough on the table to compel the other side to specifically rebut it.
What part of the Nunes memo is false?
The leaks have been obvious to both sides for some time. Nobody is going to admit they are the source of a leak. What do you think is the next step? Should we just throw up our hands and say, because there is no conclusive evidence as to who did it, there’s nothing to investigate and nothing more that can be done?
It’s not my Committee and I’m not excoriating anybody. I have not heard you or anyone else say that anything in the memo is false. What they say is that information is omitted but won’t say what or explain why it’s relevant. Maybe you know. What is it?
Where did I say that there should have been changes? The answer if NOWHERE. ST made an allegation:
Which YOU have done your best to deflect from and failed. The 'executive' didn't make ANY changes. ST's claim is a LIE.
Really? Post a link to the allegations against the CURRENT leadership of the FBI by the Democrats.
That is why there is a separate division in the DOJ called the IG. Look it up.
Wait till they get a load of how SLOW thing are now that Nunes blew up the 'relationship'.
Wray has every right to voice his opinion, especially since Nunes and his minions REFUSED to hear from them BEFORE they voted on the memo.
Well gee, you'd have to actually request that he does so to find out wouldn't you? Nunes doesn't CARE about FIXING anything, if he did he would have addressed it on the floor of the House last month. In FACT, both Ryan and Nunes insisted that nothing was broken. This is a charade and y'all don't CARE who's behind the curtain.
First of all, you have no fucking clue what I read.
Second of all, you sure seem to read the spewings of 'Judicial Watch' conspiracy theories yet are unwilling to read Nadler's legal analysis. Stay in your echo chamber, that's on you.
Neither.
I don't trust the FBI as far as I can throw it. Ditto and double with Congress.
The purpose of an investigation is to find facts, NOT to find 'proof'. Where an investigation goes depends on the finding of facts and which may NEVER be submitted for ANYONES review.
Again. you make FALSE assumptions. You could STOP doing that any time you choose.
If this were in court, Nunes would have been required to bolster his memo with evidence, not unsubstantiated allegations, BEFORE a rebuttal would be required.
As it is, the memo is the equivalent of 'When did you stop beating your wife?'
The issue in THIS thread is, what in ST's comment is true. My answer to that is not much. Neither he not you, has supported his claims with on iota of 'proof' [since you like that word so much]. You've deflected and obfuscated and utterly failed to answer my questions. Maybe you're making ST proud but you aren't doing much for your own credibility.
This thread isn't about 'both sides' it's about, in part, ST's claim that Schiff leaked classified information. Address THAT claim.
I've already given you a cogent answer to that question.
I'll tell you a large part that is false. Multiple times in the memo, Nunes and his minions claim that Steele was suspended and then terminated from his position as an FBI informant. THAT is a LIE and they knew that when they put it in the memo.
Well since you refuse to read Nadler's legal analysis, I'll quote a pertinent part here:
So even though we've got the likes of Jordan pounding on the table decrying that the FBI went to the FISC 4 times with just the dossier to support probable cause and the memo infers the same. THAT IS A LIE.
'They' [the FBI] says that there are 'inaccuracies and omissions' but are UNABLE to provide evidence without releasing classified information, which 'they' will NOT DO.
In October of 2017, Carted Page said that Ryan would release the 'underlying documentation' of the FISA warrant and he was excited about it. I hope Page gets his wish and I wait with bated breath for the utter silence on the right when they read how much evidence the FBI has that Page was an agent for the Russian government. I want to see ALL of the documentation of ALL of the renewal applications. Let's REALLY see what Page was up to with the Russians [and Trump] for the year that the warrant was in effect.
We know the FBI has admitted there are no misstatements of fact in the memo. They claim that facts not in the memo are relevant to the true picture of what happened. So it's very easy for the FBI to clear up any confusion. An Andy McCarthy wrote today:
Unlike Congress, the bureau “owns” the classified information in the underlying documents. The Bureau is thus well positioned to publish a declassified summary that discloses any details it says Nunes has mendaciously hidden; or better yet, it could disclose the underlying documents (with any necessary redactions of classified information)....The point here is to preserve and protect the FBI as an institution, which requires getting to the bottom of any potential effort to exploit the FBI for purposes of electoral politics. Democrats used to think diligent oversight of the FBI’s exercise of national-security powers was pretty important.
As someone said, I'm old enough to remember when Democrats and the liberal media thought our national security apparatus should be monitored in it's dealing with citizens.
Read more at:
From your link:
We now know that to be false based on the ACTUAL statement released by the FBI.
No it isn't. Unlike Trump's minion Nunes, the FBI doesn't have Trump's ear and cannot declassify information contained in a FISA warrant unilaterally.
So the you and McCarthy posit that the FBI should be able to refute Nunes' TOP SECRET memo with a declassified summary. How quaint and utterly ridiculous.
The point here is that in ORDER to preserve and protect the FBI as an institution, it will require that we get to the bottom of the GOP's effort to discredit the FBI and deal with the damage they have already done to our institutions.
There, fixed.
The liberal hysterics over this are amazing. The amount of "experts" giving their opinion of a memo only a few have actually read must be the biggest case of mass ESP and mind reading in history. Scientists should really be studying this breakthrough.
I don't have ESP I don't even have ESPN yet I need neither to see that the unstabull mess with the Pennsylvania avenue address, is just frckn this whole country up with behavior unbefitting anything or anyone else, that has even come close to our highest office.
And after the behavior and standards the 'right' DEMANDED of Obama and Hillary, it has become truly absurd, to watch this GOP Train Wreck(L & F) occur before our eyes as it defies and defiles, as the amount of $hit the 'right' incessantly piles, is just too damn much.
Doc Phils last seed really was enlightening. Amazing the double standard the 'right' holds
The hypocrisy is amazing. The manipulation via the right, and its media outlets, should be a warning to all but minds so small
can't seem to absorb the Brawny nor the Bounty
How ?
Maybe....just maybe....It's just Fucking up the Liberals ""World" of ideas" of what should be right or wrong....and that is really the only problem here.
I'm doing great.....You ?
Even stck in frckn bed for weeks, far better
I'd say after conversing with Trump supporters over this time,
I'd prefer to be here, though spinning as much as Kelley Ann in a Hitchcock wet dream nightmare scenario, than say in your group of the oh so deceitfully deceived. As via informative disinformation contrived and tailored to that which best suites, those who have collaborated in a vast right wing psychological experiment (also known as a conspiracy ), to brain wash the dirty little minds who have allowed as much.
All while many others, wonder aloud about those who have allowed, themselves to be so damn fooled as they continue to allow ignorance to be their followed rule.
The worst part being, even when Trump has been proven to have perpetrated(via mind fck Putin), arguably the worst attack on our Republic, as he has given you enough of a sliver of doubt, that you and so many no doubt, will claim it was ALL a LEFT wing Conspiracy, but orchestrated by Trump appointed Department heads and investigators, also known as REPUBLICANS.
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By far, the worse players in this whole unreal reality tv scenario, is the complacency of the
the traitorous fux, the GOP yet NO SURPRISE PARTY here, HEAR doubt it.
Mr. Smith ?
"All while many others, wonder aloud about those who have allowed, themselves to be so damn fooled as they continue to allow ignorance to be their followed rule."
I've noticed that after 8 years of Liberalism, Last year had that effect on liberals. They were Duped, and still are being Duped by their own representatives ! It must be frustrating for you.
Yes, It is ME
IT IS ME !
Prefer my old handle, as it is unfortunately oh so true still
Now I must get back to defeating NEO
Are you implying the right have standards
I'll give you a hint.....ssssshhhhh......NEO Wins !
Jim Jones was taken
Wouldn't have been a good thing to use as an example. He was already Defeated.
Being seen Beating a Dead horse is so unbecoming !
Close the bathroom door is a common saying Nunes has been leaked to utter when the WH slips memos under the park stall to neutral ize via lize
the investigation by requiring an extremely Wide Stance to bear the
weight while Nunes performs TREASON
Comey (FBI) has already told us he gave (FBI) related notes to a "Friend" to leak.
Hint.....Comey was working in the FBI..... taking notes ..... when he gave those papers to a "Friend".
I'm all for an investigation and a tell all on an Agency that can put "American" citizens in jail for just dropping a hat the wrong way. No questions/answers required.
It almost doesn't matter what the memo says. The talking points are already set in stone. If its just 4 pages of Nunes saying Mueller stinks, the Hannitys of the word will say it's the worst scandal since Watergate. If the document contains a transcript of an intercept of Hillary and Putin laughing about injecting a false dossier into the American intelligence system, the left wing and it's allied media will say,"Who cares? It's a nothingburger. Move on."
Sounds a wee bit paranoid...
Just sayin'
C'mon now, where have you been? Hillary and Putin are BFF's.
The difference is we would then join in with the truly paranoid right and start chanting lock her up though
I wouldn't hold ones breath
Except the only one that 'giggles' with Putin is Trump, the president pretendee'. ( last word is made up )
Obstruction of justice? I thought congress had a duty of oversight to perform regarding our powerful intelligence agencies. There have been troubling questions concerning the Clinton e-mail investigations among others and recent revelations about FBI agents and DOJ official's inappropriate words & deeds. Didn't Robert Mueller have to remove a key agent from the Mueller investigation? Haven't others been reassigned? Hasn't the Deputy Director resigned? What about all the selective leaking that went on for the better part of a year on Michael Flynn and associates of Donald Trump?
I think we can agree there was impropriety. So I hope we are not saying we shouldn't get to the bottom of it. Which brings us to the Nunes Memo. We may think we know what is in it but nobody here has seen it yet. Supposedly it is facts compiled by Devin Nunes of the House Intell Committee. It would be silly for me to argue certain points about what I think is in there. It is also silly to allow those who are being investigated block the oversight investigation. What FBI director Wray has been trying to do is have the names of those agents and officials who may have committed crimes redacted. I hope the President leaves the names so all can see them.
We need to know if the "Steele Dossier" (A false document) was used to obtain a FISA warrant?
Even if just some of it was used. A counter-intelligence investigation of a political campaign can never be allowed via illegal methods.
We need to know how many times the warrant on Carter Page was renewed?
The article is right about one thing - you need to show that the prior warrant was justified to extend it. What was Page charged with?
Were investigations stalled for political reasons?
Were the FISA warrants abused?
Is Nunes Memo a distortion?
Questions to be answered.
Colonel Jessup was wrong - the American people can handle the truth!
I actually agree with much of what you say.... The problem is that Congress has set up their own review process ,by a Republican Congress. The only reason to follow this procedure is to cover Trump'S ass.
sorry doc didn't mean to upset the control s
So, in other words, you cant have two investigations going on at the same time? Maybe it's better not to question motive, you see there are many people who believe that had Hillary Clinton won, we wouldn't know anything about all this.
Exactly WHAT is there to KNOW about all this ?
Did you ever stop to consider that the Democratic members of the Committee were trying to cover for the Obama Administration and that the FBI and DOJ officials trying to stop the memo were just trying to cover their butts? The Republicans have followed the rules and remained consistent with their demands and suggestions to release the memo and the Democrats keep changing their stories about the memo and why it shouldn't be released. The fact that the Democrats are constantly shifting their arguments should pretty much let everyone know that the memo is probably an accurate summary of the goings on in the FBI and DOJ during the Obama Administration regarding the FISA warrant system. The fact that you and everyone else that supports the Democratic Party wants to ignore those shifting goalposts in order to protect the legacy of the Obama Administration is quite telling in my opinion.
FISA has been around since 1978 and there have been some 18,000 warrant applications submitted to the Court
with only 4 being rejected over those 40 years and 8 Administrations.
Carter Page is a known Russian associate, lived there for 3 years (2004-2007) and was the topic of NSA collected Russian spy conversations from 2013 forward.
This isn't a Dem vs GOP issue to the FBI.
It's a national security issue to keep the Russians out of the WH and our politics.
You obviously don't know Jack
Your reply is filled with accusatory implications, many False statements, and a condescension only a far righty usually ever aspires to posses, but, that's just my ignorant take.
Please point out the false statements
Let us start here.
First sentence is opinion, as in planted doubt by Fox n Far Right crap.
Mueller did the right thing in removing Peter What's his frck, but we now know those secret dark society meetings, based on a JOKE about texts without context had a tad more to say.
Ole Petty Peteee was also one of the guys who helped draft the letter Comey released to Congress TEN DAYS before the damn election, stating the Hillary case was reopened, and possibly(probably) costing Clinton the election, but no biggy right ?
Do YOU know why "Deputy Director Resigned", cause no one else does.
The majority of leaking has come from the White House and the Layers for those who are being investigated and didn't come from Mueller, or his team.
Michael Flynn has pleaded GUILTY , so obviously NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
THink about it.
It's cute that you think Comey cost Abuela the election.
Most people had their minds made up long before Comey and the FBI found those emails on Weiner's computer.
And yet once again--Comey CLEARED your beloved Abuela, so how in the HELL do you think he cost her the election?
Now you sound like Abuela--"It is everyone else's fault I lost! Boo hoo!"
I'd never put tthem on the same level
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It's not opinion. It's documented fact! There is a stark contrast between the e-mail investigation and the Mueller investigation and we didn't need the words of Peter Strozk to prove it - it was obvious. We also knew the decision to let Clinton off was made before the investigation was over, before she was even interviewed by Strozk, not under oath with her lawyer present, who happened to also be a person of interest in the false investigation. A fact that Comey lied about under oath. There was never a grand jury and 5 people were given immunity without reason including the person who destroyed e-mails which had already been subpoened by Congress
Mueller did the right thing in removing Peter What's his frck, but we now know those secret dark society meetings, based on a JOKE about texts without context had a tad more to say.
No, it wasn't a joke -we found that out when the IG retrieved all the other texts the FBI claimed they no longer had.
Ole Petty Peteee was also one of the guys who helped draft the letter Comey released to Congress TEN DAYS before the damn election, stating the Hillary case was reopened, and possibly(probably) costing Clinton the election, but no biggy right ?
And you know why Comey had to do that, right? It was because Andy McCabe was ready to sit on all those classified e-mails on Anthony Weiner's computer until after the election. Comey had no idea what was on there and he was petrified of getting the blame should there be some bombshell discovery after Hillary was safely in office. That is why Comey made the statement and they did a rush job to go through all those e-mails.
Do YOU know why "Deputy Director Resigned", cause no one else does.
Ya - the day after Christopher Wray looked at the Nunes memo AND the supporting documents. He was supposed to leave in March, remember?
The majority of leaking has come from the White House and the Layers for those who are being investigated and didn't come from Mueller, or his team.
No, you have to defy logic to not know that the leaks came from the FBI starting with the admission of the lying former director Jim Comey.
Michael Flynn has pleaded GUILTY , so obviously NOTHING TO SEE HERE.
Flynn pleaded guilty to something that wasn't illegal. He got trapped in a classic FBI perjury trap. The FBI cannot explain why they interviewed him, since they already knew everything they asked him about. There is only one reason they did that - they had no evidence of "collusion" - and they still don't!
So YOU THINK ABOUT THAT!
Ain't got time doing something far more important than wasting time educating you
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I've got to figure out WHY DIRT IS BROWN
Too bad. You might have learned something. Btw, we now know that Christopher Steele did most of the leaking to the press, right from his fake dossier that news organizations refused to publish.
I guess if you have a school project, that comes first.
bread and water isn't worth what it used to be
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How come you are not on here bashing ole Trey Gowdy ?
I'm not gonna drop U off again today,
tired of taking you to school
I think he's trying to hypnotize us!
I wouldn't put it past Schiff The problem with Steele was he had too many connections within the FBI and after he produced the "Dossier" it was he who spoon fed bits & pieces of it to the media. He is probably the main leaker - not of classified material but of that fake document he created.
Can you actually hypnotize people already hypnotized...
The "Constitutional Crises" was brought to America by Russian INTEL and paid for by Russian oligarchs. Trump is dirty. The GOP--at least some of them--have become Quislings.
Trump is afraid. He should be.
Certain dumb Democrats and their dopey dupes are really afraid and getting mighty nervous tonight. Heads can certainly roll tomorrow and I suspect some higher ups and their obedient quisling drones will be doing a perp walk.
As Fox, the fakest most trusted,tries to bury it with people sitting on there hands.
People are being sucked towards the Fox studios, from all the centrifugal force.
Fox entertaint meant for gullible uuu's, has poisoned easily confused malleable minds with their manufactured malarkey
I think you meant centripetal. Watch FOX to be fully educated.
Gee, how many hours per day do you spend watching Fox?
And WHY?????
You should blame the democrats.....with all their "Armageddon" speechifyin' !
"YOU are ALL doomed.....dooooomed I tellya" !
Folks have figured out, after decades of Liberal doomsday speak, it just doesn't happen.
Based upon comments -------> Zero.
Jasper, of late, ive watched more stupid fux news than I'd really prefer to admit to
I used to enjoy the 5, till Jesse Dirty Waters joined it.
I think Chris Wallace is even a real journalist, not so much the rest.
A clear tell tale sign Fox is tainted, Trump relies on it for his tender little ego
Get back to me when you've learned the differences between commentators and journalists no matter which channels they're on.
OK I understand now
Why?
I see many other news sources report basically the same thing and then I see FOX and Donald Trump report one thing that is completely different. Why should I believe FOX and not ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, CNN, etc? I see The Washington Times and Donald Trump say one thing and then I see The Washington Post and The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times and The BBC and The Chicago Sun Times and The Miami Herald Herald Herald and The Times of London and the AP and every other reputable news organization in the world say something completely different, but all in agreement with each other, then why should I believe what The Washington Times and FOX news and Donald Trump say? When you see what amounts to basically two sources of information, who are extremely partisan and terrified of being found out as being caught in international criminal activity, FOX and Donald Trump and his minions saying one thing and then every other reputable news source in the world saying something completely different, but all basically in agreement with each other, then why should you believe Trump, FOX and his minions? Only a blind fool would pick them as the source of real information, especially considering that along with the rest of the rest of the news sources of the world they have been joined by the very, very reputable FBI.
Watch FOX to be educated? Or watch FOX to be conned?
You Decide ?
well that questionable/demand normally followed the "Fair & Balanced" BS
Now why would any that 'would rather actually hear only what they want to hear' as opposed to hearing
THE FRCKN TRUTH
ever be susceptible to being 'conned', or worse yet 'educated' a mind is a terribl
y
FUN thing to waste, but only if it is ones own actually informed educated decision, and even then, only in moderation (sorry sometimes) as it still seems so difficult for oh so many most times
Huh?
I get that a lot
in my owntwisted way
i do agree with justa bout everything U have had to say
Works for me.
trump is afraid ?----rotfl---trump is the one ordering it's release---if he was so afraid he would have it buried in the wh garden
he tried, but kept digging up dirt on the Clintons, according to your Puppet masters
There's an awful lot of dirt covering the Clinton's that needs to be dug up and sifted through
they're 6' feet under now...?
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It's a good thing CONTEXT never affects written word...,
like say in cherry picked facts with SERIOUS Omissions, even nocturnal ones.
Isn't that the "Talking Points" about this memo ?
What facts were omitted? Only the relevant facts need to be examined.
He is scared shitless. That is why he is doing everything he can do to to obstruct the investigation. Trump's biggest nightmare is Bob Mueller. And it should be.
You mean like trying to do everything you can to not release a memo that you guys are now saying is a "nothingburger"?
If it is such a nothingburger, why did democrats batshit crazy to keep it out of the public?
The answer to your question is simple. The nothingburger is still a danger to our national security. Any time you release a memo that our enemies can use to look at the way you collect intelligence is problematic even if the information in it is a nothingburger. Neither Nunes nor Trump showed any understanding or care for the security of this nation. If that is not enough reason to oppose the release, nothing is.
Consciousness of guilt and fear of the day of reckoning make desperate people do desperate and often stupid things.
Trump will be lucky to be just impeached, dismissed, or, to be allowed to walk in disgrace; conspiracy with a foreign power, receipt of stolen e-mails, obstruction of justice, money laundering ... only a corrupt Congress temporarily stands in the way ... and some 20+ of those boys are opting to retire.
40 members of Nixon’s boys went to prison ... it took three years ... but it happened.
Each desperate ploy brings us closer to the just end.
Good to see you, Randy.
Nice to see you again also Mac.
There have been a few attorneys who are working for the Republicans who are suggesting that Mueller may actually try to indict Trump himself. Of course there has been a debate about if this is or is not possible since the beginning of the writing on the Constitution itself, but it has never been actually tested in a court case. I must admit I wonder what would happen if the SCOTUS did actually have to rule on it. Personally I really don't see what is preventing a criminal indictment of a sitting U.S. President. Of course I am not an attorney, let alone a Constitutional one. Still I must admit that I would be very happy to live through the time when the idea has been tested in court and I actually believe that it would be successful.
Trump is afraid of the reaction. The Democrat reply. The truth about the memo coming out. The Nunes memo is no different then last year when the White House staff wrote a supposed "leaker" release to Nunes and he had to breathlessly call a press conference that he then had to run quickly from to brief the White House on, when the truth was the information did not come from some "whistle-blower" and was instead written by the White House staff, given to Deven Nunes the night before and he play acted having to run to the White House to "brief" them on information that they themselves had given him the night before. This memo is a completely made up from information that the only person he knows who has seen the underlying basis or the FISA Warrant, Trey Gowdy, has said is nothing like what is in the memo, by Devin Nunes by cherry picking garbage completely out of his ass. He is just lying. He has no idea at all of what the FISA warrants or renewals say say. None. He is just making it all up.
Also Trump ordered it's release because he was told, on FOX TV by Sean Hanneity, that it would clear him completely and give him a reason to fire Rod Rosenstein and sully the whole Mueller investigation, without him even reading it, when the truth is that it does none of that and in fact does the opposite.
This memo is, as Trumps says, something to be ashamed of. It is something for Trump and Nunes to be ashamed of. He says it exonerates him and it does not. Nunes says it shows the Russian began with the Steele Dossier, when it actually says it began with Papadopoulos talking to an Australian diplomat. Nunes says the Steele Dossier was used to get a FISA warrant against Carter Page, when the truth is that the FBI has been investigating him since 2013, long before Christopher Steele became hired by the Republicans to get op/re on Trump.
Trump saying that this memo exonerates him is laughable. Nunes and the right wing on FOX saying this is a "scandal" is also laughable, though I must admit is as funny to watch as a Marx Brothers movie to watch them twist themselves around to try to make a scandal out of this huge nothing. FOX the last few nights has become Comedy Central! They are hilarious!
Yea, I guess you are right that it would be embarrassing for an adversary to find out we get our intelligence from a fake dossier that was funded by opposition political parties.
It's not embarrassing. It's sad that it reveals to Russia and all of our enemies more information on how our secret court and warrant system works. And yes, unlike Trump how feels for them and kisses Putin's ass and treats them (for very suspicious reasons) Russia is our enemy.
BTW, how many of the GOP contributors on here, without having to resort to google...do you think know what a Quisling is? I would bet very few.
thought it was the tiny offspring of two adolt quizzes
The FBI, in the person of Trump appointee Director Christopher Wray, has said that there is no error in the very limited information of what is presented in the memo itself. That said they have said that the memo's omissions are many and are grievous enough to the point where they present a “grave” misrepresentation of the facts to the point where they would present to anyone reading them a complete false representation of the truth. So that while what is said in the memo is not in and of itself a lie as presented, due to it's omissions, it might just as well be one.
This would seem to be, to any thinking American, another attempt by Devin Nunes to run interference for Donald Trump like he did last year when he sneaked over to the White House in the middle of the night, retrieved information that they already had and then called the press to pretend that he was presenting the White House with new information that they in fact had provided him. Except of course this is Devin Nunes creating a “memo” that prorates” to show some sort of “deep state” within the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that is engaged in some sort of secret conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump, which is, of course, absurd. Only the most strangely paranoid of the extreme right wing (Trump?) could possibly believe this sort of insanity.
However what bothers me the most is that alleged human beings such as Trump and Nunes, backed up by people who were once thought of as at least rational like Ryan and McConnell, are willing to sully the reputation and even take the chance of extremely damaging them of organizations like the Justice Department and the FBI for their own very, very selfish very, very short term political gain, without truly understanding or caring about what they are doing to the reputation of these organizations in the public eye.
One can draw no other conclusion then that this is just one more attempt to obstruct justice by Donald Trump with the help of some of his minions in Congress. Personally think that Devin Nunes should be charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice as should Paul Ryan. I know that will not happen, but if there truly were any justice in the world, that would be the result. Still one can not present any possible convincing argument that Donald Trump is obstructing justice any longer. The evidence is just so overwhelming. As his motive, collusion and cooperation with Russia as has been shown with his latest decision not to enact and of the Congressional ordered sanctions against Russia, his decision not to make any effort to stop them for interfering with any future elections and his allowing the head of the FSA into the country for a private, secret meeting with our CIA. He is in bed with Putin and Russia. If there were a God I would say God help America. He has handed us to them without a fight of any kind.
You seriously believe this delusional crap?? Really?? Seriously??
And you're not the least bit concerned by what appears to be a conspiracy of attempting to unduly influence the FISA Court by providing false information, allegedly committed by some high ranked holdover individuals in both the FBI and the Obama DOJ??
All in the name of the left trying to get rid of Trump by any means possible, even if it means breaking the law?? Shameful!
This? This is it? This is what FOX and Trump supporters have been crowing about the past few weeks as “worse the Watergate”? This nothing-burger? Did they even bother to read it before they released it? The memo refutes what they said it would prove. They said it would show some sort of conspiracy of a “deep state” in the FBI against Trump based on the Steele report when it shows just the opposite. It shows that the FBI investigation began because of a conversation between George Papadopoulos and an Australian and nothing more. They said that it would show that the FISA warrant toward Carter Page was also because of the Steele document, when in fact the FBI had been investigating Page since 2013, long before Trump announced his candidacy and that the new FISA warrant didn't happen until Oct 2016, was not revealed to the public (and therefore had no effect on the election) and that 3 Trump appointees had to go back to the FISC to get renewals of the FISA warrants, each time proving fruitful progress. So how could this am mount to any conspiracy against Trump? Obviously this is just Donald Trump, Devin Nunes and Paul Ryan just lifting their legs and pissing on one of America's most honored law enforcement agencies.
One can only wonder what will happen when Trump and the GOP slugs in Congress will need the FBI to prove their innocence or to protect them against terrorism after demeaning them so much for this short term and disgusting political use? My guess is that the FBI will react with their usual competent professionalism and dignity, despite how ill Trump and the GOP Congress have treated them. They are better then they are.
So far there is zero evidence of that. Just claims of it by Devin Nunes, who has no credibility, is meaningless without the application itself. FISC would not issued a warrant based solely on just the Steele report in the first place and would need much more credible evidence and sources. Also the fact that they, under apparently three separate judges (in the Trump administration), re-issued the warrant means that in order to do so they would have had to be presented with credible evidence that the warrant was producing fruitful information. Otherwise they would not have renewed the warrant. The warrant could not and would not be re-issued without evidence of fruitful progress, regardless of the original reason it was issued. Besides Carter has admitted he has worked as a Russian agent since 2013.
Trump's latest tweet this mourning says it all
EVERYONE else has POLITICIZED this process, but Trump had NOTHING to do with it...WTF
Trump's the victim here. The left has been trying to run him out of town on a rail, but they're not succeeding and looking like losers in the process.
It crashed
Trump is trying to make himself out as a victim to draw attention away from his crime of collusion. Of course he can claim over and over and over again that there has been no collusion shown, but the Mueller investigation has not been finished and may well prove much collusion. Just because no collusion has been shown yet, does not mean there is none. It just means that that the Mueller investigation has not presented evidence of it and there is certainly much circumstantial evidence of it in the public eye. Of course collusion in and of itself, though damning is not a crime, however it is a small step away from conspiracy. Also I think that there is little doubt in anyone but the most self-blinded Trump supporter that there is a financial obligation from Trump to the Russians as his own sons have bragged exists, either to Russian oligarchs if not to Putin himself, which compromises his position as the supposed head of state of the United States of America. Once American banks stopped financing him his own sons bragged that the family received as much financing as they needed from Russia, but one must ask, at what cost? He could hardly be considered to be unbiased in matters of state concerning issues of Russia and international matters in which they are involved in when he owes them hundreds of millions of dollars. Certainly the fact that he is so indebted to them makes it obvious that he is their financial toady.
In all this time there has never been any evidence of collusion. In the original investigation by the FBI, Trump wasn't even under investigation. He only became part of the investigation after the Comey firing and the Mueller investigation started. At which point the emphasis was on "obstruction". You may be the only one I know who still believes in "Trump collusion."
Wrong.
He fired Comey due to the Russian investigation, and they are Trumps OWN words. When are you going to stand by and own your own words ?
Link ?
Patty
So YOU have nothin'.
Are you on "Team Mueller" ?
I'm on 'TEAM AMERICA' "Fuck Yea, coming to save the mother fuckin day" the movie
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What is even more pathetic, is he confessed it during his closed door to American Journalists (Only Russians) in our very OWN DAMN WHITE HOUSE last May
How about this IIM
At first, the White House said Mr. Trump had fired Mr. Comey based on the recommendation of the Justice Department, and because of Mr. Comey’s handling of the F.B.I. investigation into Hillary Clinton last year. Officials said the move had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.
But the president undercut that argument a day later, telling NBC News, “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”
All FAKE NEWS, another DAMN HOAX, The Worlds Biggest Witch Hunt give me (US) a break
Context:
Comey's Fuckup on his Hillary Statements...
and
Trump wants the Russia investigation to be absolutely done properly....
Sooooo, Either Comey did good on Hillary or he didn't. Liberals wanted Comey Fired, Trump Obliged.
What's the problem again ?
The exposing of ANY possible mishandling by agencies that can put you in jail on "they said so", like the FBI and OUR intelligence community as a whole, would be a good thing huh !
I gave you a link from a page of links and even a Trump quote from said link, and you spin baby spin why would I be surprised...
I answered your so-called linking.
Did you miss it ?
Please...that link goes nowhere...try again, k?
That was the made up FBI and DOJ "insurance policy" Trump/Russian collusion story - which even Clapper and Comey said there was "no evidence of collusion" ...yet here we are almost a year later, still no evidence of Trump/Russian collusion but plenty of Shillary and DNC/ Russian collusion.
They started this "witch hunt" and now it's going to look very bad for the obama lackeys and the Dems and Shill in the end.
Please PROVE there is NO Evidence of Trump/Russian collusion...
Do U know Y U can't...
Because U have NO Proof Do you know what Mueller is doing....
Obtaining PROOF one way or the other
Do YOU Know what U are doing... Looking Silly but you seem to know how
to tell others what and how to think think again
Oh please .......
He's piling up personal profits like crazy.
The only victim is his huge ego where he has to be the best there ever was at everything.
But the president undercut that argument a day later, telling NBC News, “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”
I SAW him SAY THIS Do you want to prove I'm a liar... cause I look forward to it
I already provided you a link...at least mine work, unlike yours....
Nah, just prove you aren't....lol
I can prove many things
DO YOU WISH TO PLAY
No, You are wrong!
Regardless of why he fired Comey - my statement still stands - Trump was not under investigation prior to the firing - by Comey's own words!
However that does not mean that Mueller has no evidence of any, just none that e has presented in any report yet. This constant repeating that no collusion has been shown yet, therefore none exists, is simply absurd. What prosecutor shows all of their evidence before they are ready to go to trial and Mueller is certainly not ready for that yet? In fact it could easily be argued that Don Jr's meeting (along with Kushner and Manafort) in which they were promised dirt on Hillary is the very definition of collusion. It certainly appears to be. Then Donald Sr's attempt to, make up a lie about what the meeting was really about is the very definition of obstruction of justice. Of course Trump also admitted to obstruction of justice by telling Lester Holt that he fired Comey to try to end the Russia investigation. This memo also shows that Nunes is a co-conspirator in obstruction of justice. Trump and the people who say they support him, by doing such completely ignorant things as putting together memos such as this one actually contradict what they are claiming are just making Mueller's job easier. This memo actually hurts Trumps case. It makes it more obvious that the Steel Dossier had nothing to do with the the start of the FBI's beginning of the Russia investigation. This memo only re-enforces Mueller's investigation, not undermines it in any manner. It shows no biases whatsoever on the part of the Justice Department or the FBI. It shows no biases in any manner on the part of Comey, Yates, Rothenstein, Mueller, the DOJ or the FBI.
Trump sent out a tweet that this memo "vindicates" him, when it in fact does just the opposite.
Regardless of why he fired Comey - my statement still stands - Trump was not under investigation prior to the firing - by Comey's own words!
If I was Comey I certainly would not have told him one way or another and Trump certainly had no right to ask or know the answer.
on it's head
What do you mean 'regardless of why he was fired'...
WTF would WHY he fired him have ANYTHING TO DO WITH HIS GUILT OF COLLUSION AND now OBSTRUCTION as Well
Besides
Everything Memo is a complete JOKE More INCRIMINATING than VINDICATING
Your Orange Clown is going DOWN!
I already provided links that prove the head of the FBI and the head of the DNI already said so...and so has Diane Feinstein and so has that Strozok guy (already linked for you earlier) - "there is no there there".
Spare me...you give no links hardly and the ONE links you provided doesn't work and then you ask someone to provide proof of a negative??? Pfft, your screen name says even if I did want to play it would be a waste of my valuable time.
Why wouldn't he be? If he has the evidence, he brings this thing to a close if he cares about the country. So he is going to let Trump keep on making judicial appointments and signing executive orders etc for what reason? added drama? The facts are these: We had massive leaks going back to the inauguration which were either one step ahead of an actual news event or totally salacious. Those leaks which exposed those under investigation all stopped well short of "collusion". All those who have been charged; Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort, Richard Gates and George Papadopoulos have been charged with things that have nothing to do with "collusion" or misconduct by the Trump campaign. All of them were squeezed to "talk", which is only done if you dont have evidence. They have used Carter Page like a tool, since he wandered into the Trump campaign, to spy on the campaign. They have wiretapped Trump tower and have possibly wired Papadopoulous. The White House has provided all the documents Mueller has asked for. They have everything ever said or done by the Trump campaign - there are no secrets.
Therefore if there are charges of wrongdoing against the President it wont be about "collusion" or "obstruction" or "Russia" - it will be about something unrelated. For Progressives that's what all this was about - getting Trump. We have this Mueller investigation only because Trump fired Comey and Comey easily got his revenge via his friends in the deep state launching a special investigation or as it should be called "THE GREAT FISHING EXPEDITION"
Anyone see the movie "The Post"?
Similar to what we see today, but with Democrats in the role of a government trying to suppress any information which might expose the whole sordid truth.
Why wouldn't anyone want the whole truth exposed?
It is a riot to watch the Dems melt down over this, especially after they were touting for 8 years that their administration was the "Most Transparent" in History. #Transparencymatters.
Liberals seem scared when "Real" transparency raises it's head.
Congratulations Tex an that would be my, and many others argument, in a nutshell.
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When a Known Trump lackey is the messenger, why are we even considering any of this at all ?
No source will be good enough for SOME people.
Why attack the source instead of merely going by what the memo actually SAYS?
Traitor in chief just enabled the traitors in chief to release memo
What a fckn joke to try and muddy the waters he risks endangering our FBI and All Law enforcement agencies, by releasing what if it completely has to be released, should only be done in concert with the Dem memo, and input from both the DOJ and FBI.
THAT would be fair and balanced, but they won't tell you that there
This statement is hyperbolic partisan nonsense which is the predictable outcome of one party claiming that the head of the other party (i.e. the president) is a Russian stooge. In any event, the House voted to release the memo. All they asked the president to do, pursuant to House rules), is determine whether the memo’s release poses a threat to national security. If there’s any legitimate doubt that it poses a risk, then Trump should err on the side of caution and not release it. Otherwise, he should defer to Congress and step out of it.
The fact that the memo embarrasses the FBI (if it does) is not, in and of itself, a national security risk. The situation poses an inherent and unavoidable conflict of interest for the president because he may have a personal interest in releasing a memo if it undermines the credibility of an agency investigating him, especially when that agency is an executive agency under his direct control. These problems are obvious. Just as the president should be careful about releasing a memo that helps him but undermines the FBI, Democrats should be careful about pushing a narrative that actually puts the FBI in play as a political football.
This all comes amidst democrats’ threat to shut the government down again over illegal aliens, creating the possibility that Trump may use one issue as leverage against the other. It will make it more difficult for a DACA compromise, which is fine by me because I think it should end anyway.
The fact is that the release of this memo shows that Trump is a Russian stooge. It shows that Nunes and Ryan help him to be a Russian stooge. John McCain said it best when he said that all this day and this memo did was to help Putin. That this day was a great day for the Russians! The release of this memo, along with Trump refusing this past week to enforce the sanctions voted in an overwhelming majority by Congress and the meeting this past week by the head of the Russian FSA with the head of the CIA in the advance of the coming of our 2018 elections show that the Trump administration is more concerned with working in concert with the Putin administration then it is in working in concert with our own CIA and FBI to prevent any coming attack on our democratic election of our democracy in any manner and indeed is encouraging Russia to become more involved. If the Trump administration has been told by all of our intelligence agencies, as it has, that Russia has attacked our 2016 elections and that (as our CIA Head Pompeo said just this last week that they will also attack our 2018 and 2020 elections) and is not going to do anything about it, then the Trump administration can only be seen as accepting it, if not colluding with and actively encouraging it for it's own political gain.
Accepting, colluding, AND actively encouraging it.
Trump, and ALL of his Republican Stooges, are Traitorous FcKZ
There are three separate issues in play here that Democrats are trying to conflate into one anti-Trump narrative: 1) Russian hacking of the 2016 election; 2) Trump’s refusal to impose sanctions against Russia; and 3) the Nunes memo.
Russian hacking - Three US intelligence agencies (the FBI, CIA, and NSA) said the Russians attempted to influence the election by hacking the DNC and leaking information that Hillary was trying to rig the primary. All three believed that Putin was trying to discredit Hillary as payback. Hillary said in 2011 that Putin had rigged his election so he may have wanted to discredit her by showing that she had actually done what she accused him of doing. The FBI and CIA said Putin did it to help Trump but the NSA was unwilling to go that far.
Trump’s refusal to impose sanctions - Congress is attempting to tie Trump’s hands by forcing him to impose sanctions. Trump opposed the law and is now using his constitutional prerogative as president to decide when to enforce it. This should be familiar to democrats who, as is evident with DACA, think a president can undermine a law he doesn’t like. I can’t really say that Trump’s position on sanctions is good or bad because I don’t know the details of what he’s doing and, quite frankly, I don’t think he does either.
The Nunes memo - Congress had already voted to release it and only asked the president, pursuant to House rules, to review it to determine whether its release poses a risk to national security. I read the memo and see no risk to national security whatsoever. It’s definitely embarrassing to the FBI but embarrassment is not a national security risk so the president has no legimate reason to prohibit congress from releasing the memo. After reading the memo, it lays out what appears to be a disturbing politicization of the FBI. Essentially, the FBI is accused of colluding with the DOJ to obtain a FISA warrant to surveil a campaign Trump adviser to affect the election.
So, to me, releasing the memo doesn’t prove Trump is a Russian stooge. What it suggests that in addition to a Hillary’s scheme to rig the primary, the FBI and the DOJ we’re engaged in an abuse of power to tip the election in Hillary’s favor. This warrants a congressional investigation.
With both f'n nostrils
And THAT is the Constitutional crisis...it already occured when the DNC and the Clinton campaign bought and paid for a fake dossier to be made up, then released that info to the media, then the FBI and the DOJ used that phoney, unverified document and the subsequent news stories from their willing accomplices in the media as "evidence" to obtain FISA warrants against the Trump ADM. That is corruption at the highest levels and true Constitutional crisis and I would not be surprised at all to find out that obummer has his fingerprints all over this.
A POTUS is the "CEO" of the Executive Branch, which includes the FBI, DoS, and DoJ (among other depts). Obama would have had to be living under a boulder during his 8 years if he didn't know what senior management of his departments were doing. Of COURSE he knew ... and he ALLOWED it!
99.9% sure myself, but he won't take the fall...someone and probably many someones will fall on their sword for him.
Federal agencies handle a lot of matters and most of it never percolates to the top. A cabinet level manager doesn’t know everything going on in his own agency so I doubt Obama would know unless somebody brought it to his attention or he went looking for it. But there’s another wrinkle to this.
This dossier had been floating around for a while before the election. Many major news organizations knew about it but didn’t want to publish information they couldn’t verify.
Following the election, and as part of the transition, Trump met Obama and they were both briefed on the dossier. At the time, I thought the media was saying that the document had been compiled by our intelligence services but later realized that they were briefing Trump on scurrilous information complied by someone outside the government. To me, that’s like briefing someone on what a tabloid magazine wrote and it struck me as odd.
However, Buzzfeed then published the dossier claiming that it was in circulation at the highest levels of government, apparently referring to the Trump/Obama briefing by someone in our intelligence service. After all, why would the outgoing president of the United States be briefing the incoming president on trash? I’m beginning to think that Obama and/or the intelligence agency who did the briefing (FBI?) set the meeting up so an organization like Buzzfeed could do exactly what it did for the express purpose of damaging Trump.
I believe you are probably right...this was their "insurance policy".
Gee, that might be a constitutional crisis...shutting down the government services for American citizens in favor of people here illegally...tha audacity!
GENERIC WARNING: Rather than question directly or obliquely, any given member's ability/intelligence, etc., instead, SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE INFORMATION IN THE WAY OF REBUTTAL to issue under discussion! (A. Mac)
Where did THAT come from?
I was wondering the same !
"Selective" is an actual word in the dictionary.
A. Macarthur
Wow are you astute. It took you 3 hours to come with it. New record?
No, I got an 8 track
The left wingers do that all the time, AMac. Is your generic warning applicable to them also? So it's OK to continue to question their honesty and intentions?
Do you know the meaning of the word “generic”?