MY HERO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  

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Via:  it-is-me  •  2 years ago  •  154 comments

MY HERO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unapologetically HERSELF !

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Democrats have turned their folks into little infants that cry over the littlest things. 


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It Is ME
1  seeder  It Is ME    2 years ago

I like her !!!!!!!!!

She embraces Life !

She is what she is !

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 years ago
She embraces Life ! She is what she is !

She embraces lies which is why conservatives love her. She reinforces their self absorbed ignorance of the obvious cycles of racism and prejudice that are still alive and well in America today. She would make the house slaves of the past proud. In exchange for better clothing, food and housing they often became apologists for and defenders of their slave owners. Her rhetoric would be like a Jewish person downplaying the holocaust by saying "Hey, Jews today didn't have to live through the holocaust so what are we complaining about? The era of anti-Semitism is over, prejudice against us no longer exists and I know this because I live a privileged life, so it must not be happening to anyone else of Jewish heritage...".

The reality is that there is no racial or gender barrier on being a dumb ass, it effects some people of every shape, size, sex and color.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 years ago

She's "Black"....and "Conservative".....that's the problem.....right ?

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 years ago
She would make the house slaves of the past proud. In exchange for better clothing, food and housing they often became apologists for and defenders of their slave owners.

I have read some ugly statements here, but this takes the cake.  Using house slaves to try and demean someone is pitiful, simply pitiful.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1    2 years ago

House Slave?  You seem to have your identities wrong.  Here is a proud independent woman promoting individualism over collectivism.  The real House Slaves are those like Sharpton, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters and their like who constantly push the African American community to like being slaves of their new Massa, the government.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 years ago
that's the problem.....right ?

Not at all. Being conservative doesn't always mean you're self absorbed and ignorant, though it's often a fairly good indicator that may be true. While a senior in high school, Candace received hurtful and threatening racist phone calls so her family sued the Stamford Board of Education in federal court alleging that the city did not protect her rights, resulting in a $37,500 settlement. Yet now she belittles many other black Americans when they stand up and ask for equality in the justice system and tells them they should shut up because they didn't have to live through slavery or Jim Crow.

So apparently to her, as long as the racism and prejudice isn't coming directly from the government in the form of legalizing segregation or slavery, then it doesn't exist. She references her own experiences dating a “real white guy” and befriending a Muslim woman she was scared of at first as examples of experiences she had that wouldn’t have been possible if she had been “labeled a racist” and says it's ignorance, not racism that needs to be addressed without accepting the fact that racism is an integral part of ignorance and can't thrive without it. She champions Trump who is the poster boy for ignorance and prejudice.

It's easy for a black American who was raised in Stamford, Connecticut by a family that put her through the University of Rhode Island who then worked for a private equity firm to have a different life experience than most other black Americans and come away with very different views. But the reality that the vast majority of black Americans experience is very different and the reasons for that are still prevalent today.

"Family wealth can take generations to build -- and confers advantages that grow over time. If your great-grandparents bought a home, chances are that your grandparents inherited at least some wealth from them. Which maybe means that your parents didn't have to take out loans to go to college and got a helping hand with a down payment for a house early in life in a neighborhood with top schools. Which means that you got a great public education instead of a lousy one, allowing you to get into a good college and set yourself up to confer advantages on your own kids. And so on.

Research shows there are all sorts of positive outcomes associated with households owning assets. And for that reason, the huge racial wealth gap in America should be deeply alarming -- especially given how that gap has actually grown in the past five years due to an epidemic of foreclosures in communities of color, many of which were systematically targeted by predatory lenders, including respected banks like Wells Fargo. 

There are lots of reasons that whites have so much more wealth than nonwhites. How the GI Bill played out is one of those reasons. Whites were able to use the government guaranteed housing loans that were a pillar of the bill to buy homes in the fast growing suburbs. Those homes subsequently rose greatly in value in coming decades, creating vast new household wealth for whites during the postwar era. 

But black veterans weren't able to make use of the housing provisions of the GI Bill for the most part. Banks generally wouldn't make loans for mortgages in black neighborhoods, and African-Americans were excluded from the suburbs by a combination of deed covenants and informal racism

In short, the GI Bill helped fostered a long-term boom in white wealth but did almost nothing to help blacks to build wealth. We are still living with the effects of that exclusion today -- and will be for a long time to come ."

http://www.demos.org/blog/11/11/13/how-gi-bill-left-out-african-americans

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.4    2 years ago

You need to add the "Why" in your "Candice is bad" accusations. Did she report it over and over ?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.1.6  livefreeordie  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.4    2 years ago

BS- I'll use the accusation that Blacks were denied VA loans.  I know a number of Black Veterans who obtained VA loans.  In point of fact it is ILLEGAL to deny any Veteran with a DD214 that is honorable a VA loan.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @1.1.6    2 years ago
I'll use the accusation that Blacks were denied VA loans.

The evidence is overwhelming despite your supposed personal anecdotal evidence that some black Americans you knew got loans.

"Of the first 67,000 mortgages insured by the G.I. Bill, fewer than 100 were taken out by non-whites"

"banks and mortgage agencies refused loans to blacks, making the G.I. Bill even less effective for blacks"

"Once they returned from the war, blacks faced discrimination and poverty, which represented a barrier to harnessing the benefits of the G.I. Bill"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_and_the_G.I._Bill

" The treatment blacks received in Europe was much different than the racism and prejudice they had experience in America. In Europe they had been treated just like any other soldier, the color of their skin was not a consideration. One young soldier commented, "Had the ten months I spent in France been all in vain? Were those white crosses over the dead bodies of those dark-skinned boys lying in Flanders fields for naught? Was democracy merely a hollow sentiment? What had I done to deserve such treatment?".

" Though the law was deemed a political and economic success, there was one segment of veterans who were denied many of the bill’s benefits – African Americans.

One of the more important benefits that African American service members were unable to take advantage of were low-cost mortgages. In theory, this benefit allowed all veterans to purchase homes in the quickly growing suburbs, homes whose value would rise steadily in the coming decades, creating new wealth for vets in the post-war era. However, black veterans were not able to take advantage of this benefit because banks would not make loans for mortgages in black neighborhoods. Additionally, they faced rampant racism if they attempted to buy into suburban neighborhoods, which at the time were overwhelmingly white."

http://americanexperience.si.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/After-the-War-Blacks-and-the-GI-Bill.pdf

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.5    2 years ago
"Why" in your "Candice is bad" accusations

I'm not saying she's any worse than most other conservatives who poo poo the obvious evidence that racism and prejudice is alive and well in America. If you ignore the systemic inequality in our justice system and simply blame blacks as being somehow "worse" people and thus deserving of the huge disparities in arrests, sentencing and treatment by police, then you're an ignorant bigot who is closing their eyes to reality. The reality is white Americans use and sell drugs at the same or higher rates than black Americans yet black Americans are 3 times more likely to have their cars searched, twice as likely to be arrested, twice as likely to remain jailed while awaiting trial, they are more likely to serve time for the same crimes, they are 40% more likely to be dropped from juries and far more likely to have their probations revoked. The fact that conservatives along with Candace choose to ignore these facts prove how truly ignorant or intentionally oblivious they are.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/08/racial_disparities_in_the_criminal_justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.8    2 years ago
I'm not saying she's any worse

I asked you about her "City" issue. Not some irrelevant article about racism.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.9    2 years ago
I asked you about her "City" issue.

? When? What "city" issue?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.11  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.10    2 years ago

Re-Read your own comment I responded to. close call

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.12  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.11    2 years ago
Re-Read your own comment I responded to

Your response was "You need to add the "Why" in your "Candice is bad" accusations. Did she report it over and over?"

I have to assume your comment was referencing my comment: "While a senior in high school, Candace received hurtful and threatening racist phone calls so her family sued the Stamford Board of Education in federal court alleging that the city did not protect her rights, resulting in a $37,500 settlement."

But you don't explain what you mean by "Did she report it over and over?". What difference would that have made to my response? And I never said she was "bad", just an out of touch conservative who is enjoying the disingenuous accolades coming from bigots who love the cover she is providing them much like some house slaves did in the past. If one black American says "Well I'm not being treated so bad by these guys", does it really reverse the centuries of systemic racism, prejudice and bigotry the vast majority of black Americans have had to suffer and continue to be effected by?

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.13  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.12    2 years ago
I have to assume your comment was referencing my comment: "While a senior in high school, Candace received hurtful and threatening racist phone calls

Exactly....Info....Info....Info....I have this need for MORE INFO....since you made it out to sound like a bad thing.

MORE Info Please !

 
 
 
321steve
1.1.14  321steve  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 years ago
.right ?

Not in my opinion, She just seems like another biased rambling attention seeker to me. 

But, I'll admit this is the first I've seen  her and that is my first impression, I do not know this person.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.15  MUVA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.4    2 years ago

I'm mixed race black dad white mom my family including aunts and uncles all voted for Trump because we fled the plantation way back in the 60's.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.16  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  321steve @1.1.14    2 years ago
She just seems like another biased rambling attention seeker to me.

Isn't that what all sides say about the other side ?

Is constant "Victimhood" a good thing ? She definitely doesn't advocate for "Victimhood" like the left does !

 
 
 
321steve
1.1.17  321steve  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.16    2 years ago
Isn't that what all sides say about the other side ?

Yeah and I say it about both sides when it seems true. She is not the only highly biased attention grabber on either side. Just one of many on both.

As an independent, Neither are my cup of tea. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.1.18  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  321steve @1.1.17    2 years ago
She is not the only highly biased attention grabber

She's in your face with reality. thumbs up

Unlike Liberals that want everything to be Rainbows, lollipops and Leprechaun gold. stunned

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MUVA @1.1.15    2 years ago
I'm mixed race black dad white mom my family including aunts and uncles all voted for Trump because we fled the plantation way back in the 60's.

Do you believe racism no longer exists in America? Or were the last vestiges of it in the 1970's when Trump and his father were sued for not renting to Americans who looked just like you and your family? Do you believe the discrimination ended when conservative bans on interracial marriage were lifted allowing a family like yours to exist without being maligned, harrased and even arrested by local law enforcement? Are you claiming that the fight many black Americans feel they are still waging against discrimination and injustice is all in their minds? That it's some construct created by Democrats to keep them "on the plantation"? That the systemic racial disparities in the justice system aren't a problem but just the outcome of some races being "bad" people and deserving of those disparities? When some stand up to say "Hey, I haven't experienced the blatant racism and injustice you describe", does that mean it's any less true for those who do experience it? Have you ever been followed by employees when browsing a retail store as many black Americans attest to? Or do you believe that's just normal and everyone is assumed to be a shoplifter and have to be watched like a hawk?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.20  SteevieGee  replied to  It Is ME @1.1.1    2 years ago
She's "Black"....and "Conservative".....that's the problem.....right ?

"Black"  Is not the problem.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @1    2 years ago
She is what she is !

LOL !  

Hard to argue with that. You have my sympathy though It Is Me if you think this drivel is worthy of attention. At one point she says how pleased she is that she is favorably compared to Tomi Lahren.   Tomi Lahren is widely derided as a self promoting right wing airhead. 

Candace Owens is in it for the money and the "fame".  I guess that makes her a devoted Trumper but why should any of the rest of us care? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    2 years ago

Your so cute when your Racism shows. chuckle

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    2 years ago

Once again this thread demonstrates how racist leftists truly are.  As long as African Americans support leftist ideology then they are acceptable to the left.  If not then they do not hesitate to engage in racist slurs and other demeaning attacks.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.2    2 years ago

I watched the video, or had it on, ( the mind naturally tends to wander when confronted with such superficial drivel) , and feel confident in saying this young lady is in it for the money and fame she may garner by being a young black female right winger. 

Her degree is in journalism so, judging by her presentation, she is striving for a spot on Fox News or one of the other right wing media outlets. 

Her thoughts are so thin they blow away in the 'wind' created by those applauding this nothingburger. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.3    2 years ago
the mind naturally tends to wander when confronted with such superficial drivel

"Blacks" speaking their mind has that effect on "Some" !

 
 
 
livefreeordie
1.2.5  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.3    2 years ago

Nonsense- see my post #6.  You demonstrate the typical racist bigotry of the left

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @1.2.4    2 years ago

If you want to be enchanted by this hoax that is your right.  Fox News gets their millions of viewers from somewhere after all. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.2.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.6    2 years ago
If you want to be enchanted by this hoax that is your right.

"Blacks" are a hoax....ain't they John. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
1.2.8  Studiusbagus  replied to  livefreeordie @1.2.2    2 years ago
If not then they do not hesitate to engage in racist slurs and other demeaning attacks.

You mean like using "thug" as a substitute word? Commie? Socialist? Kenyan usurper? Snowflakes? Didn't have food stamp books printed up showing Obama on the page surrounded by watermelons and fried chicken? Instead of black entertainers performing at the white house Obama was "hanging with his homies"?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2  seeder  It Is ME    2 years ago

As she said...."Uncle Tom" is the Hero, and she speaks English ! 

 
 
 
badfish
3  badfish    2 years ago

The racism and threats this lady has received from the left on youtube and other social media is appalling.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  badfish @3    2 years ago
The racism and threats this lady has received from the left on youtube and other social media is appalling.

She's a "BLACK" Conservative. What should one expect from Liberals.

I loved her "Time Machine" comments to her mom. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3.1    2 years ago
I loved her "Time Machine" comments to her mom. 

Really? So it's a conservative value to be rude to your parents. Interesting. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    2 years ago
So it's a conservative value to be rude to your parents. Interesting.

like you were some angel with yours. laughing dude

 
 
 
321steve
3.1.3  321steve  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    2 years ago

I hate in jump in... but evidently I am. so excuse me please....lol

I actually acknowledge some of my resentment towards hard conservatism stems from my relationship with my highly conservative parents. I feel like I have fought that battle all my life. The ironic ending was my parents relying on me in the end of their lives.

But in reality I did find by gosh there really is more than one way to do things. And my parents did not always know everything. And grandma was right... The world is in constant change and it sure helps to acknowledge that and adapt with it. 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.4  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    2 years ago
like you were some angel with yours

maybe you weren't - but i've always been respectful to my parents and was brought up that way, i guess everyone is different and has different values. I don't intentionally piss off my mother nor my father (who each have different views than myself) nor am i intentionally rude to them just for the amusement of it - but i suppose some people feel that's a great quality and "idolize" it in their heroes ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.5  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.4    2 years ago

There is a difference in "Respect" and "disagreeing". I was always allowed a voice when I disagreed with my parents. Didn't win all the time....but sometimes !

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.6  Raven Wing  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    2 years ago

"like you were some angel with yours. "

And just how do you know how Perrie has treated her parents? Have you been a long time family member that you have first hand knowledge of whether or not she was an "angel'? 

You like to talk about others as you if know all about their personal life, yet, you know little, or nothing, about it. So don't accuse others of things you know nothing about just to try and suit your own personal agenda.

 
 
 
321steve
3.1.7  321steve  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    2 years ago
There is a difference in "Respect" and "disagreeing". I was always allowed a voice

I fully agree, you were fortunate to have a voice. I was but a mire child, I never knew any better. 

lol

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  321steve @3.1.3    2 years ago
I feel like I have fought that battle all my life.

The only battle that needs to be fought is with ones self. "YOU"...either ARE "YOU"....or you want "someone else to be you"...for you...in YOUR Name. That's what Candice is saying.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  321steve @3.1.7    2 years ago
you were fortunate to have a voice

A "Voice" when your living "Because" of your parents.....is a bit limited ! thinking

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    2 years ago
like you were some angel with yours.

Wow, now we are getting personal. Do you know how to have a discussion, or just personal swipes?

And for the record, if I said anything like that, I would get booted from the house.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.11  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.10    2 years ago
And for the record, if I said anything like that, I would get booted from the house

Ditto! 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.12  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.10    2 years ago
Wow, now we are getting personal. Do you know how to have a discussion, or just personal swipes?

I don't take things personally here. Why do you ?

I've been discussing with you my way, this entire time. I'm assuming (Could be a bad thing) anyway.

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.13  DRHunk  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.2    2 years ago

She (Perrie) is not professing to be a conservative nor uphold their values, therefore your comment is mute.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.14  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.6    2 years ago
And just how do you know how Perrie has treated her parents?

It's called...."Human Nature"....especially when it comes to kiddy's. No matter how goody two-shoes they are....or think they are...they WILL defy their parents from time to time.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.15  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  DRHunk @3.1.13    2 years ago
She (Perrie) is not professing to be a conservative nor uphold their values

Were did I post that she said she was again ?

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.16  DRHunk  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.12    2 years ago

no, your really not amusing, it gives me a headache every time i read a thread your part of, (CoC violation no personal attacks) Telo

 
 
 
321steve
3.1.17  321steve  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.9    2 years ago
A "Voice" when your living "Because" of your parents.

Don't tell me you weren't told  "Children are to be seen and not heard" ? 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.18  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.5    2 years ago
There is a difference in "Respect" and "disagreeing". I was always allowed a voice when I disagreed with my parents. Didn't win all the time....but sometimes !

of course there is - and you can disagree respectfully as well - that wasn't what i was talking about (but i suspect you knew that already and tried to deflect anyway). Of course in the video around the 4 min mark this woman brags that she loves to get her parents (she refers to her Mother specifically just in case you weren't aware) upset just for her amusement (which is extremely disrespectful in case you weren't aware) - is this something you really "idolize" in your "hero" ? Like i said - i suppose we are all different and have different values in our "heroes" that we promote, huh ?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
3.1.19  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.10    2 years ago
Wow, now we are getting personal. Do you know how to have a discussion, or just personal swipes?

Please take a look at https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/39506/3.1.6%20 Raven Wing" target="_blank" rel="noopener"> comment 3.1.6 to see an example of "personal" swipes (you're one of the 3 people who voted it up).

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.20  DRHunk  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.15    2 years ago

well when someone explicitly states that a person whom is professing Conservative values is not doing a good job of actually living by those values and then someone else tries to turn it around ad say well you such and such, is making a comparison that that person that called out the other is not following the same conservative values either.

But guess what, the person saying the other person is not following what they are selling has no bearing on the person that said it, because they never bought into it anyway.

Wow, its like explaining shit to my teenager.

 
 
 
Spikegary
3.1.21  Spikegary  replied to  DRHunk @3.1.13    2 years ago

Moot, not mute.  Try to get the words right when you are talking down to someone....it makes you seem that much smarter.

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.22  DRHunk  replied to  Spikegary @3.1.21    2 years ago

thank you spelling and grammar police, my life is fuller and richer because of your presence.

 
 
 
DRHunk
3.1.23  DRHunk  replied to  DRHunk @3.1.16    2 years ago

sorry, did not realize pointing out his debate style as it pertained to him being amusing or not was a personal attack. I considered it more an observation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  badfish @3    2 years ago

The lack of sincerity and mental gravitas displayed in this frivolous video is appalling. No wonder you like it!

 
 
 
badfish
3.2.1  badfish  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2    2 years ago

Have you read any of the out right racist and disgusting comments written to her by your ilk? I am not a fan of her, only a fan of her right to speak. I am however appalled at the way your people have treated her.

Racism is alive and well in America

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  badfish @3.2.1    2 years ago

I only speak for my own opinions. 

I am shocked that conservatives are making a celebrity out of this drivel.

Oh wait, did I just say that? 

How could anyone be shocked? laughing dude

 
 
 
badfish
3.2.3  badfish  replied to  JohnRussell @3.2.2    2 years ago

Your white privilege is obviously offended.

 
 
 
Ender
4  Ender    2 years ago

I can see why you all love her. Regurgitating the same talking points. Liberals are lazy, Liberals want to take our guns, Liberals all want a government handout. I got through five minutes of that crap.

So keep her and please keep Kanye too. He is an idiot.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Ender @4    2 years ago

Yeah, how dare they speak out on being independent individuals instead of slaves to the Marxist Collectivist State.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    2 years ago

One being independent is the "Achilles Heal" of Liberalism.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.2  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    2 years ago

Funny, I didn't hear one independent thought in the five minutes I watched.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    2 years ago

I have watched and listened to her on many occasions as she champions the conservative ideology of being independent and self sufficient rather than being a slave of our marxist collectivist government.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.2    2 years ago
I didn't hear one independent thought in the five minutes I watched.

So you "Chose" to ignore 11 minutes to make your final conclusion ? thumbs up  close call

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.5  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.3    2 years ago

Haaha! 

2. Mississippi

Number of food stamp recipients: 650,911

Percentage of the state's population on food stamps: 21.74%

Total cost of just these benefits alone (That is, how much do just the money on those EBT cards cost the state?): Around $80.5 million

Estimated cost of benefits alone per capita in this state: $26.90 per person

Link

I don't think these red state voters got the memo.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.6  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.4    2 years ago

One can only say Liberals are bad so many times before it gets too repetitive.

Then again, divisiveness and just name calling the other side seems to be the norm now a days.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    2 years ago
One can only say Liberals are bad so many times before it gets too repetitive.

DITTO, when it comes to Liberals Speaking of Conservatives. close call

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1    2 years ago

She is not an independent. If she was she would part of a third party movement. She is just another political hack.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.4    2 years ago

I watched the whole thing. Political hackery. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.10  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.9    2 years ago
I watched the whole thing. Political hackery.

Someone being "Upfront"..... Hurts ?

"Hack" away my friend. That's why we have the President we have now. Thoughts Like yours !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.9    2 years ago
I watched the whole thing. Political hackery.

You are polite. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
4.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    2 years ago

Just because they live in a red state does not mean that those getting government benefits are conservatives and/or Republicans. The are some very blue voters that live in those states as well. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @4.1.6    2 years ago
Then again, divisiveness and just name calling the other side seems to be the norm now a days.

I am so with you Ender. I know that most indies are sick of it, too. That is why the pew has indies as larger than any other party. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.10    2 years ago
Someone being "Upfront"..... Hurts ?

Hackery isn't upfront. It's hackery.

"Hack" away my friend. That's why we have the President we have now. Thoughts Like yours !

Wrong. The reason we have Trump is because the Dems had a lousy candidate that ran a lousy campaign. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.16  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.14    2 years ago

Hackery is your comment. Are you an assassin ?

"All I said was that I wanted black people to embrace a victor mentality and now the Left is out to assasinate my character.

THE LEFT NEEDS PEOPLE TO NEED THEM. Unfortunately, I do not want or need them."

Candace Owens

--------------------

"Wrong. The reason we have Trump is because the Dems had a lousy candidate that ran a lousy campaign. "

WRONG ! 

Some are just too blind to see !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.12    2 years ago
Just because they live in a red state does not mean that those getting government benefits are conservatives and/or Republicans. The are some very blue voters that live in those states as well. 

Movement south has been fairly recent. Mississippi has been red for a very long time, and have been getting government benefits for a very long time. Try again. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.18  livefreeordie  replied to  Ender @4.1.5    2 years ago

It takes time to reverse over 100 years of Democratic control.

What percentage of those on welfare and food stamps are Democrats

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.19  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.16    2 years ago
Hackery is your comment. Are you an assassin ?

What are you talking about? Do you realize how that sounds? Hackery is hackery. It means mindless, non independent thought.. 

"All I said was that I wanted black people to embrace a victor mentality and now the Left is out to assasinate my character.

THE LEFT NEEDS PEOPLE TO NEED THEM. Unfortunately, I do not want or need them."

Candace Owens

That is her POV, yet the CNN poll clearly shows that isn't the truth about black folks. They are optimistic about the future and their success.

And we'll have to see how wrong I am. I don't think I am.. of course I am also not a partisan. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.20  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.19    2 years ago
Hackery is hackery. It means mindless, non independent thought..

Correct....and she has been VERY INDEPENDANT in what she says. Out of the box if you will. Does that scare you....the "Out of the Box" thing ?

"That is her POV, yet the CNN poll clearly shows that isn't the truth about black folks."

Pffffft.....Polls.....they haven't got anything right so far. They missed the Trump presidency by millions and millions and millions and millions of miles.

"And we'll have to see how wrong I am. I don't think I am.. of course I am also not a partisan."

I'll go after anyone. 

McCain and Sessions need to get the hell out of politics. Did that help ?

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.21  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.18    2 years ago

Are you actually trying to say that in this state, that consistently votes red, that it is only the few Dems that they have here that are the ones on welfare?

Believe me, I live here and hear their views and they are solidly conservative. Everyone should be off of welfare except for them.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.20    2 years ago
Correct....and she has been VERY INDEPENDANT in what she says. Out of the box if you will. Does that scare you....the "Out of the Box" thing ?

How is she out of the box? She is another conservative hack that happens to be black. Big deal. 

Pffffft.....Polls.....they haven't got anything right so far. They missed the Trump presidency by millions and millions and millions and millions of miles.

I'm not going to defend the political polls. They have an agenda. This poll had nada to do with politics.. maybe you should read it. 

I'll go after anyone. Did that help ?

What does that mean? It has no context to what I wrote.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.23  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.22    2 years ago
She is another conservative hack that happens to be black. Big deal.

Only Some #BLM ?

"I'm not going to defend the political polls."

But you will USE them ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.24  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.23    2 years ago

Only Some #BLM ?

How did BLM get into this? I don't support BLM and I know a lot of blacks that don't. My kids were at ground zero of the BLM movement in Baltimore, and they thought it was one of the most messed up things they ever saw. Their black girlfriend left because she was afraid. Love your deflection onto something I never brought up, and something you obviously know nothing about.

"I'm not going to defend the political polls."

But you will USE them ?

Read again.. that poll wasn't political.. I stated that already but apparently you didn't bother to read it. Ironic I must say, since you were offended when someone didn't watch your video all the way through. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.25  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.24    2 years ago
Love your deflection onto something I never brought up

"Black" is "Black"....right.

Candice is "Black"....and not messed up....as you say.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.25    2 years ago

"Black" is "Black"....right.

Candice is "Black"....and not messed up....as you say.

Please show me when I said "messed up" other than the riots in Baltimore. I never referred to Candice as messed up. I said she was just another political hack, who just happens to be black. You do know they come in all colors and in both parties, right?

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.27  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.26    2 years ago
Please show me when I said "messed up"

"She is just another political hack."

Sound familiar ?

unless you find Hackery to be "Neat and Clean". thinking

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1.28  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.11    2 years ago
You are polite.

You know John, used to be that wasn't a bad thing ....

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
5  Dean Moriarty    2 years ago

Impressive young gal and a fantastic role model for black youths to look up to. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6  livefreeordie    2 years ago

Samples from Candace that make one proud

But Owens's main argument is that the media mislead. The biggest issue facing blacks today is not racism or police shootings, she says, but dependence on government that began 50 years ago with Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs. "They incentivized mothers not to marry fathers. That's why single motherhood is up. The government would give you more if you didn't marry him."

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2018/03/28/the-red-pill-n2465233

Bluey: When you’re talking to young people at Turning Point USA, what is your message to them?

Owens:  My message to them is just that the time is now. President Trump represents the first opportunity for black Americans to get off of, what I refer to as, the ideological slave ship, to step outside of this line—this myth and this illusion—and to understand that we’ve had our power essentially stripped from us.

We continue to allow that by being afraid of racism, which is no longer an actual threat in this society for black Americans.

Bluey: We’re approaching in the next couple of weeks the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination. How did MLK influence your life?

Owens:  The most important thing to understand is that what he wanted was a society where people would not be judged by the color of their skin. Everything that the Democrats are advocating for is for us to only be judged by the color of our skin, by our sex, me as a black woman, they want me to constantly remember that.

You are black, you are a woman, and you cannot exist outside of that. So we need to understand that in many ways, we’ve gone backward from the themes that he was teaching when he gave his “I Have a Dream” speech.

His dream is being realized, but it’s not being realized by the Democratic Party right now.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/03/22/conservative-millennial-explains-trumps-policies-better-black-americans/

CANDACE Owens, Director of Urban Development at Turning Point USA, appeared on Fox and Friends where she got into a heated debate with the former DNC Chair candidate, Jehmu Greene.

Jemele, I find that really disingenuous, for you to stand up there as a black American and defend the Democratic Party when we understand that over the past 10 years, they have completely decimated our communities. Jehmu interrupted Candace, defending her party, “That’s ridiculous.” Candace came back,  That is not an opinion…that is a matter of fact.

Owens then began to quote facts for Jehmu, like, “single motherhood is up 71% since the 1960’s” and “In every major urban area where you guys (Democratic Party) has a stronghold, we have high crime rates, we have black people dying and killing each other” Jemele’s only response was, “Oh, my goodness” followed up by uncomfortable laughter.

Finally, Owens hit Jehmu Greene squarely between the eyes: “Donald Trump represents the very first opportunity for black Americans to jump off this ideological slave ship that is the Democratic Party.” Greene responded by laughing (the preferable response by liberals who have no response and are unable to call their opponent a “racist”).

https://100percentfedup.com/watch-black-conservative-candace-owens-wipes-floor-democrat-party-operative-donald-trump-represents-first-opportunity-black-americans-jump-off-ideological-slave-ship/

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
6.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @6    2 years ago
to step outside of this line—this myth and this illusion

She is tickling the ears of conservatives who want to be absolved of any guilt for they may have felt for defending prejudice, segregation and even slavery. To call what many black Americans continue to battle on a daily basis a "myth and illusion" takes any responsibility to change off the backs of those continuing the cycles of ignorance and prejudice. To claim it no longer exists in America is frankly insulting to those who face it every day.

 
 
 
Ender
6.2  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @6    2 years ago
We continue to allow that by being afraid of racism, which is no longer an actual threat in this society for black Americans.

I have to call bull on that. I live in MS and I hear racist remarks all the time. It is far from over and very much alive and well.

Everything that the Democrats are advocating for is for us to only be judged by the color of our skin, by our sex, me as a black woman, they want me to constantly remember that.

Another lie. What I have always heard was for women to be strong and proud and for black people to be strong and proud. Those two things themselves scare the hell out of some people.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 years ago

I learned a couple of things from the video. I must be very neive.. since I never knew this POVs.

  1. Horrible that she gets death threats. No one merits death threats over their opinions. 
  2. That conservative blacks are the only ones who talk "white". Odd, since I met lots of blacks at Johns Hopkins that talked "white". I am sure they were not all conservative. 
  3. That conservatives and libertarians are almost the same thing. I thought that libertarians were right or left leaning, but I guess I was wrong. 
  4. The liberals want to give up their guns. Odd, since I know a lot of liberals who own guns. 
  5. Facts are never the point with you liberals. Geeze, talk about stereotypes. I would never say, facts are not never the point with you conservatives. it is at this point, that I decide this is the usual partisan hackery.
  6. So she then goes on to tell a ridiculous story about who would invent a time machine, and say that liberals would only get one when it was a government hand out. WTF? She is claiming to say this to her mom. Nice. Here is a conservative value. Respect your parents, woman. I don't agree with my parents, but I would never be so condescending to them. And pissing of your parents is great... yeah nice./ sarc.
  7. She mocks Rosie O'Donald (not a fan of myself) for tweeting something that makes no sense... Obviously she has missed some of Trump's beauty. Talk about partisan blindness. 
  8. The black community .. where do I start? Well first she blamed this on CNN. Oddly enough CNN wrote this:  A new CNN/Kaiser Family Foundation poll found that 55% of blacks and 52% of Hispanics said it was easier for them to achieve the American Dream than their parents. That's compared to only 35% of whites. Blacks and Hispanics interviewed by CNNMoney said they feel they have more opportunity these days in terms of education and jobs.  http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/24/news/economy/blacks-whites-inequality/index.html   Does that sound like they are lazy or afraid or looking for handouts? Sound quite the opposite to me. Again, another stereotype. 
  9. And ends this speech with a stupid "lock her up" game. 

I don't often participate in political discussions here. it leads to false impressions of what I stand for. But I went into this video to hear some intelligent discussion about blacks in the conservative movement and what I got was the usual partisan hackery. Now that is not to say, that liberals don't do the same thing.... and I have said that (i.e. the CUNY Law school mess), but I really was interested in hearing something of value from her and that I didn't get. 

Democrats have turned their folks into little infants that cry over the littlest things.

No more than the Conservatives. The truth is they both want to keep everyone on their plantation. This is the one thing they are in cahoots with....since that way, we will never have a third party and you know what people, it's been working!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
7.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    2 years ago

I have been a small “l” libertarian for 60 years and I’ve yet to meet any true conservative who wants to keep anyone on a “plantation”. That is Statist ideology which conservatives and conservative libertarians oppose.

We share the ideology of patriots like Samuel Adams

"The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man ; but only to have the law of nature for his rule."-

If men through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce and give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the great end of society, would absolutely vacate such renunciation; the right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a slave "

Samuel Adams November 1772

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
7.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @7.1    2 years ago
I’ve yet to meet any true conservative who wants to keep anyone on a “plantation”.

If your definition of keeping black Americans on the "plantation" is supporting equal rights, supporting affirmative action, supporting school integration and creating job opportunities and educational opportunities for black Americans then yes, conservatives wouldn't ever be blamed for supporting such things. It's why many conservatives actually hate the constitution and the conservatives in the South tried to secede and write their own, because the US constitution protects minorities from the tyranny of the majority.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @7.1.1    2 years ago

The plantation and stalin are a talking point of conservatives. It means nothing. 

 
 
 
DocPhil
8  DocPhil    2 years ago

Candace Owens and Kanye are what they are.....Black conservatives are rare....but they are rare for a reason.....the Republican party's agenda is generally not in the interests of people of color or minorities. Even the republican policy makers realize that. So when any person of color endorses the Republicans, they are anxious to parade them center stage and chant about how intelligent and uniquely creative they are. I would think that they wouldn't say the same thing about young, politically involved people of color who are working for Democratic party principles. Every person is an individual and should be able to make up their own mind without one side or the other berating them.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  DocPhil @8    2 years ago
the Republican party's agenda is generally not in the interests of people of color or minorities.

Exactly....unlike Liberals that like to sectionalize groups as more deserving than others.

Conservatives are about "Americans"....not some "Ethnic" American label....but "Americans" in general.

if you can't "Hack" it in this country, it's not your color that holds you back. It's "YOU" as a person !

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @8.1    2 years ago

Independents talk about Americans, and not civil war.. like some right publications that I read here.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.1    2 years ago
Independents talk about Americans, and not civil war.. like some right publications that I read here.

I don't do "Those" publications. Why would you note that anyway ? Has Owens advocated for Civil War ?

I just hear her advocating for "Self Responsibility" ! I know that's upsetting to the "I deserve" crowd, but that's not a "Wars Act" thingy....unless those folks are advocating for a "Civil War". If that's the case, they will lose.

Badass.jpg

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.2    2 years ago
I just hear her advocating for "Self Responsibility" ! I know that's upsetting to the "I deserve" crowd, but that's not a "Wars Act" thingy....unless those folks are advocating for a "Civil War". If that's the case, they will lose.

Another conservative talking point. I believe in "Self Responsibility". And livefree posted a meme below mine, talking about civil war, so why not talk to him about that? Does he not get a lecture?

btw.. I don't use memes. I use my words. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    2 years ago
Another conservative talking point. I believe in "Self Responsibility"

So you should REALLY like her.....unless that's not the "Politically Correct" thing to do. chuckle  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.4    2 years ago

It is me, 

Are you going to have an actual discussion with me or just a game of gotcha? 

And no I didn't like her. She didn't have an original thought that came out of her mouth. Was I supposed to be wowed by the fact that she is black. I wasn't. In fact, the wow would have been if she had some real content to what she was saying and that never came. 

And for the record, I am not PC. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.5    2 years ago

I'm not doing a "Gotchya" ANYTHING. I'm real, and sometimes reality can stink for some. Candice Advocates for "Personal Responsibility" and for everyone to be "Real" and not phony. Not a bad thing.

These days, with this "Feelings" are more important crap, we have a problem. Ones "Feelings" doesn't make them right.....PERIOD !

if some don't like that sentiment....they shouldn't be here.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
8.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.6    2 years ago

Yeah I am real to, and so I have to ask you this, what does this mean?

I'm not doing a "Gotchya" ANYTHING. I'm real, and sometimes reality can stink for some. Candice Advocates for "Personal Responsibility" and for everyone to be "Real" and not phony. Not a bad thing.

First, I never said personal responsibility is a bad thing but a good thing.. and you know what? That is not unique to conservatives. 

And why are you bringing up feelings? No one said a word about that. You are diverting the whole subject.

if some don't like that sentiment....they shouldn't be here.

Excuse me? I don't think that is your call to make. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.7    2 years ago
And why are you bringing up feelings?

Your advocating that in your responses. That's why.

YOUR FEELINGS: "She is just another political hack."

"Excuse me? I don't think that is your call to make."

"I" can shutdown comments on this article/seed anytime "I" please. It's in the "Gizmos" part of this site. thumbs up

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9  livefreeordie    2 years ago

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
9.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  livefreeordie @9    2 years ago

8.1.1     Perrie Halpern R.A.     replied to    It Is ME   @ 8.1      

Independents talk about Americans, and not civil war.. like some right publications that I read here.

And here we have a case in point. Well done!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1    2 years ago

Nonsense Perrie. Show me a single sentiment towards civil war in that post.  It was a point about the evils of government.

  • "Society in every state is a blessing, but government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer."
    -- Thomas Paine, Common Sense, 1776

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 years ago
Your "both sides are the same"  theme is not as useful in the Trump era.

You are a partisan John. Trump is here because of Hillary. That is a fact. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
10.1  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10    2 years ago

But, then does that mean that Obama was there because of GWBush? 

Also this.  Thirty plus years of right wing attacks on the Clintons do have an effect.   (paraphrasing) "Tell a story often enough and it becomes truth."  J. Goebbels.

During the election I saw ads accusing H. Clinton of being everything from a pedophile to selling weapons to ISIS that were used to kill Americans.    Hundreds of these ads.  Bulk of them coming from Russian INTEL.  Something is happening.  Hell of a lot more to this than Trump. 

 
 
 
badfish
10.1.1  badfish  replied to  bbl-1 @10.1    2 years ago
But, then does that mean that Obama was there because of GWBush

Yes, Obama was elected on the heels of horrible foreign policy and the Iraq invasion. He just turned out to be a Neo-con too. Whoops, just like the one before him.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bbl-1 @10.1    2 years ago
But, then does that mean that Obama was there because of GWBush?

Yes. The pendulum had swung one way and now it was time to come back. That is why the two parties want only two parties. They know sooner or later it will come back to them.

Also this.  Thirty plus years of right wing attacks on the Clintons do have an effect.   (paraphrasing) "Tell a story often enough and it becomes truth."  J. Goebbels.

Look, Whitewater was a witch hunt, granted. But Hillary did enough damage to herself that she really didn't need any lies.. even if they came. 

Something is happening.  Hell of a lot more to this than Trump. 

That I don't know. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
10.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @10.1.2    2 years ago

Whitewater was a witch hunt?

Fifteen individuals were convicted as part of the Whitewater scandal,

according to a web page called "Clinton Convicts."

http://members.tripod.com/~cbn2/convicts.html

Kenneth Starr was appointed on August 5, 1994. During Mr Starr's tenure, convictions were obtained from the following individuals:

Robert Palmer,

Web Hubbell,

Christopher Wade,

Neal Ainley,

Stephen Smith,

Larry Kuca,

Jim Guy Tucker,

James McDougal,

Susan McDougal,

William Marks Sr,

John Haley

Thus, it would appear that the individuals whose convictions were

obtained by a prosecutor other than Mr Starr were:

David Hale,

Eugene Fitzhugh,

Charles Matthews,

John Latham

It's worth noting that Susan McDougal, Robert Palmer, Stephen Smith

and Christopher Wade received pardons from President Clinton on

1/20/01.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

 
 
 
Sunshine
11  Sunshine    2 years ago

Wonder why liberal hacks don't upset people so much?  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @11    2 years ago
Wonder why liberal hacks don't upset people so much?  

They do. Or did you miss my commentary on the CUNY law school?

The old "gotchya" thing doesn't work with me. The reason I am on this thread, was because I wanted to hear something interesting. I didn't. The reason I was on the CUNY thing, was because that was my old school. I tend to stay away from these discussions because:

  1. Claims like you just made
  2. Partisans rarely change, so why bother?
  3. I am busy taking care of the site. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1    2 years ago

I was talking about the amount of vitriol, cruel, and sexist remarks that conservative speakers receive compared to the amount that liberals do.  

It is quite obvious.

It was not directed to you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @11.1.1    2 years ago
I was talking about the amount of vitriol, cruel, and sexist remarks that conservative speakers receive compared to the amount that liberals do.

Sorry to disagree, but i hear it from both sides. it boggles my mind that people hear what they want to hear. I mean you didn't think that some of the comments made about Megan Kelly were gross? Let's be fair now.

It was not directed to you.

Sorry, I misunderstood. 

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.4  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @11.1.1    2 years ago

Most people in public life get a fair amount of vitriol. Not one side or the other has a monopoly on that.

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.2    2 years ago
but i hear it from both sides. it boggles my mind that people hear what they want to hear.

I hear it from both sides too, but not in the mainstream media/entertainment industry as it is for conservative speakers.  Even riots are started over a person deemed conservative by the liberal left.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
12  Raven Wing    2 years ago

Meh.......this individual is obviously merely looking for her own 15 minutes of fame. Her 'talking points' are nothing new, just more BS spewed by the conservative radicals. 

However, she is entitled to her opinions and to voice them. Making a fool of herself is on her, not me, so I really don't care what she says. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
12.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Raven Wing @12    2 years ago

I have to agree Raven. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
12.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Raven Wing @12    2 years ago
Her 'talking points' are nothing new, just more BS spewed by the conservative radicals.

She has said Liberals say that about her. chuckle

 
 
 
magnoliaave
13  magnoliaave    2 years ago

Black people can't be  conservative.  Against the rules.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
13.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  magnoliaave @13    2 years ago
Black people can't be  conservative.  Against the rules.

Another conservative talking point. Of course black people can be conservatives. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13.1    2 years ago
Another conservative talking point.

That's a Liberal Talking Point !

When Liberals see a conservative Black...they're labeled "tokens" !

 
 
 
magnoliaave
13.1.2  magnoliaave  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.1    2 years ago

There are probably more conservative blacks than you can shake a stick at.  It is just those who have the audacity to use a platform stating such. 

However. give the  liberal an opportunity to use a platform to state how non racist they are and how conservatives are racists. then, you are rocking and rolling. It makes them feel so warm inside and one of the crowd even though, secretly, they are the biggest racists.   

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
13.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  magnoliaave @13.1.2    2 years ago
There are probably more conservative blacks than you can shake a stick at.

First, you might want to reconsider that metaphor and second, that's quite a different take on things from the usual rightwing trope about how blacks vote so heavily as a bloc for Dems.  So which is it?  Are the conservative blacks you imagine existing just afraid to vote?  Could it be that you imagine there are a lot more than we think is that some, shall we charitably put it, "news" outlets seek out conservative blacks in order to showcase them to create the impression that they're so numerous? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.1.3    2 years ago
"news" outlets seek out conservative blacks in order to showcase them to create the impression that they're so numerous?

Never seen CNN, NBC, ABC, MSN, or any other MSM seek out conservative "Blacks" as a "Good" thing, and to be inclusive. That wouldn't be prudent to their "Needed" political discussion.

Those groups only seek out "Black Conservatives " to berate them as "Wacked", "Hacks",  and "Tokens" !

 
 
 
magnoliaave
13.1.5  magnoliaave  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @13.1.3    2 years ago

For Obama, they did.  As I recall, though, they seem not to vote much.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.1    2 years ago
When Liberals see a conservative Black...they're labeled "tokens" !

If someone brings a plate of cookies to a party that have one single chocolate chip in the center, can they really be called "chocolate chip cookies"?

"Oh, look at my African-American over here. Look at him," Trump said. "Are you the greatest?"

Republicans claim to be "diverse" too, but that doesn't show in either the congress, the Senate, the White House or their political rallies or members. With 90% of black Americans registered or leaning Democrat, there's less than 6% who lean Republican and fewer that actually register and vote Republican. And since they only make up 13% of the population that means there are about 37 million black Americans with 34 million registered or leaning Democrat and just under 2 million who register or lean Republican. The Republican party might want to ask itself why there is such a discrepancy instead of falsely claiming Democrats are keeping them "enslaved" by supporting equality.

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.7  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.1.6    2 years ago
If someone brings a plate of cookies to a party that have one single chocolate chip in the center, can they really be called "chocolate chip cookies"?

Yep !

Of course....in Liberal "Politically Correct" land....they should just be called cookies.

Funny thing though...."Cookie" is used in slang terms as describing a women's female part. I suppose we should NOW say :

"Hey...would you like "THIS".....thing ?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.7    2 years ago
Yep !

So if you bought a bag of chocolate chip cookies and when you got home found that each cookie contained exactly one chocolate chip, you wouldn't be the least bit upset? You wouldn't take them back to the store or at least complain about the misleading advertising?

As for the rest of your comment, it is nothing but off topic smut. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.9  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.1.8    2 years ago

"So if you bought a bag of chocolate chip cookies and when you got home found that each cookie contained exactly one chocolate chip, you wouldn't be the least bit upset? You wouldn't take them back to the store or at least complain about the misleading advertising?"

I eat food....I don't analyze Food !

"As for the rest of your comment, it is nothing but off topic smut."

You brought up the reference to "Chocolate Cookies"...and NOW you're talking about one "Black" chip, as if that is a bad thing.

I just broke it down further than your enhanced reference to "Chocolate"....since we are supposed to be talking about "Candice Owens"....a "Black" conse3vative. 

ya see....ANYTHING can be made out to be "Something" ! Sucks....but that's the way it is. confused

 
 
 
arkpdx
13.1.10  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @13.1.8    2 years ago

You wouldn't take them back to the store

Maybe maybe not depends of where the store is and how much I paid for them. What I wouldn't do is denigrate and slur the chocolate chip cookie like the liberals do to conservative minorities, especially black conservatives. Do you consider  term like "race traitor", "Uncle Tom", "Oreo" and other such terms used by the left to be terms of endearment. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
13.1.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  arkpdx @13.1.10    2 years ago
term like "race traitor", "Uncle Tom", "Oreo" and other such terms used by the left to be terms of endearment.

None of which I used to describe her in any of my comments. My comment was in response to It is ME claiming black conservatives are being wrongly labeled "Tokens" when in fact that is exactly what they end up being when there is one or two in a sea of white folk at a Trump rally. I'm saying that you can't claim to be a diverse party with so few actual black conservatives just like a chocolate chip cookie shouldn't be called a chocolate chip cookie if it has one chocolate chip in it, it's a sugar cookie featuring one chocolate chip.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
13.1.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @13.1.7    2 years ago
Yep !

So there's the real tokenism.  Thanks for being so honest.

 
 
 
It Is ME
14  seeder  It Is ME    2 years ago

We are BACK ! thumbs up

 
 
 
badfish
14.1  badfish  replied to  It Is ME @14    2 years ago

That healed quickly. Anything we can do to make it more comfortable?

 
 
 
It Is ME
14.1.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  badfish @14.1    2 years ago

A Point needed to be made. geek

I'm better now. thumbs up

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15  Colour Me Free    2 years ago

Interesting topic up for discussion ... too bad there was lil discussion taking place.

Comments made are rather black and white .. few gray areas .. kind of a love her or 'hate' her thing..

I do not care for her brand of humor (yet I think she thinks she is funny ... a lot along the same lines as Chelsea Handler and Joy Behar think they are funny).. yet I did not think her to be a political hack looking for her 15 minutes - she has already had her 15 minutes and is still riding it out.  (all she did was talk about herself) I did not really pick up on any political message, more like ridicule in the name of what she finds to be humor..

my 1/2 cent worth....

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Colour Me Free @15    2 years ago
I did not really pick up on any political message,

Now you've got it.

She's about getting rid of "Victomhood", and getting folks to understand "Big Gov." isn't the answer to ALL ones Woes. 

and

Getting folks to understand that those that perpetuate Woes for political gains, aren't there FOR the best interest of ANYONE, except themselves !

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  It Is ME @15.1    2 years ago

I understand that, yet can you understand that for many her style creates a mental block - causing many to not be able to see past the 'politics' that is part of everything ... so her message regarding 'victim-hood / Big Gov' is lost?

She comes off as a motivational speaker, that does not have the ability to capture the target group that needs the motivation (so to speak)

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.2  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.1.1    2 years ago

You need to watch her other vids. This is just a snip of her.

She has one showing her and an opposite positioned person in an open air setting, no mikes, no fans, no notes, just talking.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15.1.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.2    2 years ago

Thanks for the video... 

I have now done some reading on Candace, and watched some other videos - I am still not a fan of her style, yet I do like her in a discussion setting far more than I did seeing her in the seeded video,,

I see her points, and can agree with some areas (as I do not yet know all that she stands for) .. I appreciate the food for thought It Is ME ... one must always listen to all sides in order to be informed, and before forming an opinion  - Thanks for reminding me of this! 

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.4  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.1.3    2 years ago

She bases most of her points on ideologies. I don't think I've seen/heard her note "Republican" or "Democrat'. She doesn't seem to be a big fan of Government in general.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15.1.5  Colour Me Free  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.4    2 years ago

I think you are correct, I did not hear any specific 'party' mentioned and def not a big gov fan at all (nor of abortion) - yet she projects a strong dislike for liberal ideology. without 'seemingly' giving credit where it is do.  (not all liberal minded individuals desire to regulate businesses to death)

Conservative / liberal neither side is able to 'go it alone' compromise and Bipartisanship are needed to keep the government in check - without checks and balances the government will continue to grow, the more it grows, the more it controls .. tis the nature of the beast in my opinion.

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.6  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.1.5    2 years ago
yet she projects a strong dislike for liberal ideology. without 'seemingly' giving credit where it is do

Like she said in her Vid, "She (Black) is not a "Victim". Liberal ideas need "Victims".

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15.1.7  Colour Me Free  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.6    2 years ago

Good point, she has express that is her belief system towards liberal ideology ... yet is that not in and of itself an extremely broad stroke regarding liberals or is that blacks are needed as victims

I may have to go back to videos .. as I may be confused, do not recall her specifying (in what I watched) her stand on victim-hood beyond liberalism needs victims...

 
 
 
It Is ME
15.1.8  seeder  It Is ME  replied to  Colour Me Free @15.1.7    2 years ago
as I may be confused, do not recall her specifying (in what I watched) her stand on victim-hood beyond liberalism needs victims...

It's more towards the end of the video in the seed, when she speaks about "Black" people and watching to much CNN. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
15.1.9  Colour Me Free  replied to  It Is ME @15.1.8    2 years ago

Thanks, but I am looking more for a conversation she has had about the subject, not something from her one liner comedy review.  I will have to sit down and see what I can find - perhaps there is an interview (?)  Oooo by the way - when going back to the end of the seeded video ---  14 minutes in, she says 'Democrats'.. and what they have done to 'us' ..

Thank you so much for the conversation, always nice to be able to exchange thoughts and opinions with someone open to listening : )

..

Sorry I was abducted by aliens .. it happens from time to time in my world : )  the gal down the road is 82 (less crippled than I am) but she needs help occasionally, and then her and I get lost in conversation for hours!

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
16  Galen Marvin Ross    2 years ago

Well, this just in, seriously folks, Bill Cosby found guilty.

 
 
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