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Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For Trump Project

  

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Via:  johnrussell  •  6 years ago  •  163 comments

Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For Trump Project


Trump will profit from Indonesian resort project that will get $500 million in Chinese loans in a deal sealed days before before his tweet ordering help for ZTE.

“President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast,” Trump announced on Twitter Sunday morning. “Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”



Trump did not mention in that tweet or its follow-ups that on Thursday, the developer of a theme park resort outside of Jakarta had signed a deal to receive as much as $500 million in Chinese government loans , as well as another $500 million from Chinese banks, according to Agence France-Presse. Trump’s family business, the Trump Organization, has a deal to license the Trump name to the resort, which includes a golf course and hotels.



Trump, despite his campaign promises to turn over his businesses and have no involvement with them, has still not fully divested himself of his businesses, and continues to profit from them.



“You do a good deal for him, he does a good deal for you. Quid pro quo,” said Richard Painter, the White House ethics lawyer for former President George W. Bush and now a Democratic candidate for Senate in Minnesota.



“This appears to be yet another violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution,” Painter said, referring to the prohibition against the president receiving payments from foreign governments.



The White House did not respond to HuffPost queries asking if there was a connection between the “MNC Lido City” project and Trump’s directive regarding ZTE.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-china-zte_us_5af9f701e4b0200bcab7fa66



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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

crook

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 years ago

Peace through profit?

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2  pat wilson    6 years ago

treason.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  pat wilson @2    6 years ago

Treason...according to who??  chuckle good one laughing dude

No wonder Democrats can't win elections.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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2.1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    6 years ago

Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Cerenkov @2.1.1    6 years ago
Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Cerenkov @2.1.1    6 years ago
Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

Actually he is. 

The  Title of Nobility Clause  is a provision in  Article I Section 9 , Clause 8 of the  United States Constitution , [1]  that prohibits the  federal government  from granting titles of  nobility , and restricts members of the government from receiving  gifts emoluments , offices or titles from foreign  states  without the consent of the  United States Congress . Also known as the  Emoluments Clause , it was designed to shield the  republican  character of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences." This shield is reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in  Article I, Section 10 , and more generally by the  Republican Guarantee Clause  in  Article IV, Section 4 . [2]

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Trump was influenced in his decision. He wants to help ZTE in exchange for help with his site in Indonesia. 

"America First"? So much for that lie. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    6 years ago
No wonder Democrats can't win elections.

Democrats won 2 of the last 3 presidential elections. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.3    6 years ago
"America First"? So much for that lie.'

Donald Rump first  

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.6  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.4    6 years ago
Democrats won 2 of the last 3 presidential elections.

republicans won 3 of the last 5 elections

we could do that all day... LOL :)

soon to be - republicans win 4 of the last 6 elections  (trump will win re-election )

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.6    6 years ago

So what you are saying is that Democrats win more often. Got it. 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.8  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.7    6 years ago
Democrats win more often.

obviously not... lol

 

There have been 19 Republican presidents since Abraham Lincoln first ran as a Republican to win the presidency in 1861. Even though the Democratic party has been around longer than the  Republican party , there have only been 13 Democrat presidents. Here are the first 18 Republican presidents in order of their terms, along with a few highlights of each president's time in office. Number 19 is, of course,  Donald Trump .

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Norm Eisen, the top ethics official under former President Obama, is accusing President Trump of violating the Constitution's emoluments clause.

Eisen on Monday tweeted in response to a recent report  that a major development project linked to Trump in Indonesia is expected to be supported by $500 million from the Chinese government.

“This is a violation of the Emoluments Clause,” Eisen tweeted. “A big one. See you in court Mr. Trump.”

The South China Morning Post reported  that $500 million in Chinese government loans will support construction of MNC Lido City, a billion-dollar resort and theme park project that will feature Trump-branded hotels and a golf course.

Richard Painter, former President George W. Bush’s chief ethics lawyer, also told the South China Morning Post that the project could violate the emoluments clause and said he “would have advised” Trump to sell his holdings in the project.

Trump’s involvement in the project was solidified in 2015, according to the paper.

Trump announced in a tweet over the weekend that surprised many in Washington that he was working with Chinese President Xi Jinping to boost Chinese telecommunications company ZTE, which was under a U.S. import ban for violating U.S. sanctions on Iran.

The report also comes after several weeks of back-and-forth on tariffs between the U.S. and China.

Trump is already facing two lawsuits, both as the president and as an individual, for allegedly violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution, which bans elected officials from financially benefitting from foreign governments.

A federal judge in December dismissed another emoluments clause lawsuit against Trump that was brought by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Trump has retained ownership of his company, though he handed control over to his two sons.

Critics and ethics watchdogs say Trump is violating the clause whenever foreign governments make use of his hotels or golf courses. Trump has asked a federal judge to dismiss one of the lawsuits .

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    6 years ago

Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment. Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

First, never say never, I'm sure Nixon and, Clinton both thought that impeachment would never happen, they were both wrong. Second, yes, he could be prosecuted and, the key words in your post are "as far as we know", you don't know what Mueller has found, you don't know what the states of California or, New York have found so, until we do we can't say he won't be prosecuted.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
Even if he is a crook

Trump has been a known crook long before this China thing came up.  This is just the latest thing. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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3.1.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment. Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

MCGA!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
Even if he is a crook

Wait, what? He has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times. Even his own people admit he is a con man. 

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JohnRussell
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3.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to    6 years ago

Trump is a bum. He would do things like tell a painting company that had painted hotel rooms for him that he was only going to pay them half the contracted price because they "didnt do a good job".   A couple times might have some truth to it.  He did it as a way of doing business. Why do you think he was sued so many times

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JohnRussell
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3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to    6 years ago

Why the fock are you defending the bum? 

 
 
 
Krishna
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3.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago
Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment.

I don't see what people are worrying about-- I predict that within a few months Hillary will be impeached and actually removed from office!

 
 
 
nightwalker
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3.1.9  nightwalker  replied to  Krishna @3.1.8    6 years ago

ROFL

Jail THEM! Jail them! Jail them!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.10  XXJefferson51  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    6 years ago

I’m happy to commit the crime of making liberals unhappy twice every day here.  It is my pleasure 😇!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.11  XXJefferson51  replied to    6 years ago

Clappingthumbs up

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.12  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    6 years ago

We are normalizing his Presidency and administration because of and over your objections to the contrary.  

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1.13  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.10    6 years ago

I've found that victimizing local thumpers at my end over what you publish here is very satisfying.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

IS CHINA STRAIGHT-UP BRIBING DONALD TRUMP?

The president suddenly softens on a Chinese business after Beijing bankrolls a Trump Organization project.
 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    6 years ago

That's how business gets done in the real world.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 years ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

So you admit that Trump took a bribe, an impeachable offense. Oh and there is that little issue with the FACT that the reason that ZTE was put on the list is because they violated sanctions against Iran and North Korea, putting our national security at risk. 

Is there NO bottom line y'all won't let Trump go below? 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1.2  pat wilson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    6 years ago
Is there NO bottom line y'all won't let Trump go below?

Nope.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    6 years ago

Trump could never sink to the level of the Democrats

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.4  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.3    6 years ago
Trump could never sink to the level of the Democrats

So that's a NO. 

 
 
 
Krishna
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4.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 years ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

Well-- in some parts of it:

Married to the Mob

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    6 years ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

He's the President of the United States....he's not supposed to be making money for himself!!!!!!!

And where are the American jobs? Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    6 years ago

We have the lowest unemployment since 2000

 
 
 
DRHunk
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4.1.8  DRHunk  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    6 years ago

Thanks Obama =)

 
 
 
Pedro
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4.1.9  Pedro  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    6 years ago

It's good that Obama got the job crisis to end. Trump was the fortunate (if unwitting and unappreciative) benefactor of Obama's work.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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4.1.10  livefreeordie  replied to  Pedro @4.1.9    6 years ago

What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that

 
 
 
Pedro
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4.1.11  Pedro  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    6 years ago

Inasmuch as it is an actual fact, it doesn't shock me that you are opposed to it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    6 years ago
'What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that'

What's truly frightening is everything that comes out of your piehole.  

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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4.1.13  Explorerdog  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    6 years ago

How are your investments and 401K doing? Ooops you probably don't have investments and bury your pennies in a jar in the backyard, but if you did then you like everyone else is seeing the biggest losses since G.W. Bush and guess which party he identified with.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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4.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    6 years ago
We have the lowest unemployment since 2000

Based on the way Trump measured unemployment during the Obama years, unemployment has been going UP!

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.15  JBB  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.14    6 years ago

Remember how righties equivocated on how unemployment was figured by the government under Obama?

The same agencies used the same method being touted by the gop today. The gop's false grace is stunning.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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4.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    6 years ago
What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that

The unemployment rate was barely above 4% when trump took office. Trump has done very little to actually drive the UE rate lower than it was when he took office. That's a fact. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5  Skrekk    6 years ago

Another thing Trump did was hand a $20 billion contract to Russia by withdrawing from the JCPOA.   Boeing lost their contract with Iran as a direct result and Russia's Sukhoi is the likely beneficiary of Trump's idiocy.

I think we've got a Russian mole sitting in the oval office.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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5.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5    6 years ago

We should never sell anything to an enemy like Iran

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1    6 years ago

You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1    6 years ago

Larry, why would Iran be your enemy given that they've achieved the kind of theocracy which you seek to impose in the US?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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5.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.2    6 years ago

I’ve repeatedly said I oppose all the theocracies as a Christian minarchist.  Jesus never told us to establish nations. Our King and His kingdom are not of this world

islam is first and foremost a political ideology that has the goal of conquering the entire wold in Islamic control.  That is why they are enemies

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    6 years ago
You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

Nothing in your post is remotely true. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.3    6 years ago
I’ve repeatedly said I oppose all the theocracies as a Christian minarchist.

And yet you've also admitted that you voted for Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect, so it seems you really do want a theocracy.    The good news is that you can model yours on the Iranian theocracy since you share the same vile views about gays as they do.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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5.1.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    6 years ago
You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

Who's cash did we send them?

 
 
 
lib50
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5.1.7  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.3    6 years ago

I want to make sure I do the opposite of what your religious edicts seem to espouse. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @5.1.7    6 years ago

I'll sign up for that!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.6    6 years ago
Who's cash did we send them?

Their own cash

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    6 years ago
'And yet you've also admitted that you voted for Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect, so it seems you really do want a theocracy.    The good news is that you can model yours on the Iranian theocracy since you share the same vile views about gays as they do.'

And he's supposedly a 'pastor' for fuck's sake.  

Revolting.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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5.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    6 years ago

Wrong I supported Prop 8 because government has no right to redef8ne marriage nor should government have any involvement in marriage or divorce

 
 
 
Tacos!
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5.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    6 years ago
Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect

Prop 8 didn't do anything like that. It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone. 

I'm also curious what it is you think the Christian laws are relevant to homosexuals and how they would manifest at the state level.

Or are you just - as I suspect - engaging in another hysterical leftist rant divorced from rational thought?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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5.1.13  Phoenyx13  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.12    6 years ago
That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone.

it absolutely does:

 It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. 

you just stated what it enforced (or would have enforced, i should say). did you know the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman is a very popular theme among Christians (and in  the Republican Party Platform as well) ?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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5.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.10    6 years ago

Jesus condemned all sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and a woman. Christian are commanded by Jesus to obey and share His teaching and commandments with the world

 
 
 
evilone
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5.1.15  evilone  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.14    6 years ago
Jesus condemned all sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and a woman.

Then Christians shouldn't do it. The rest of us are now liberated from your archaic theocratic law.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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5.1.16  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.9    6 years ago

And, the winner is Mrs. Giggles!!!

 
 
 
Skrekk
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5.1.17  Skrekk  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.12    6 years ago
Prop 8 didn't do anything like that. It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone.

In other words it removed the right to marry from same-sex couples, thus directly causing them substantial harm for no rational or secular reason.    That's what makes it a profoundly disgusting Christian sharia law, the complete lack of any secular basis or legitimate state purpose.    Prop h8 was also at its core a violation of the 1st Amendment which is to be expected since it was primarily hate groups run by churches which lobbied for it.

The ban on same-sex marriage was no different from the former bans on mixed-race marriage in the confederate states and in California, except that the class of persons harmed by that law is different and in Prop h8 the referendum process actually rescinded a fundamental right which the state courts had previously determined was protected by the state constitution........an even more vile event than what had happened to mixed-race couples.    But in all other respects these two Christian sharia laws were very much the same and derived from the same set of loony and bigoted superstitions.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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5.1.18  Explorerdog  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    6 years ago

No worries they would just disappear like the ones G.W. lost

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.16    6 years ago

<bows>

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.11    6 years ago
because government has no right to redef8ne marriage

You are obviously confusing holy matrimony and legal marriage. Legal marriage is a LEGAL contract between two people for which you have to get a license. Where does a license come from? The government. So the government has every right to change the legality of a license. If the government changed the driving age from 16 to 19...guess what? If you apply for a license and you are 16? No dice. 

You lost, deal with it. 

 
 
 
Explorerdog
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5.2  Explorerdog  replied to  Skrekk @5    6 years ago

Russia also stands to increase the cash flow from stagnant to 51 million a day due to the increase in oil revenue and now Putin can fund the infrastructure improvements.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6  Raven Wing    6 years ago

I dunno....but is seems that Trump is mixing his own private business with his work as the President of this country, in order to benefit himself under the pretense of helping America. He will forever and always be the host of a reality world called "Apprentice" and act accordingly. He is in it for himself, to get as much out of his position as President as he can for himself. I can only hope that he does not wind up bankrupting America like he has so many of his own businesses, as he seems to think running America is like running a business, and acts accordingly. 

The sad part is it won't only be his own supporters that pay the price of their blind worship of him, but, the rest of the people of America as well. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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6.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Raven Wing @6    6 years ago

He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants. He simply cares more about our country than the Democrats do. Anyone who can't see and understand that is a fool.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago

The fool is those who put their trust in Trump. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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6.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago
He simply cares more about our country than the Democrats do.

oh bull

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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6.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago
He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants.

Prove it! 

I say he is over 300 million dollars in debt.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.3    6 years ago
'I say he is over 300 million dollars in debt.'

I believe he is indebted up to his ridiculous combover

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
6.1.6  Explorerdog  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago

Did he tell you that or did he share his tax returns with you?

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
6.1.7  nightwalker  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago

Have you ever hear of any billionaire anywhere who's ever had enough money?

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
6.1.8  Studiusbagus  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    6 years ago
He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants.

He's in debt up to his eyeballs, he creates wealth through debt and then leaves whoever loaned him the money in bankruptcy court.

Settle up all his assets and liabilities and you'll find he's in the red. Banks in the USA won't touch him.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
7  livefreeordie    6 years ago

It’s so funny to see the left worked up about capitalism at work.   God bless America and the pursuit of happiness

let the left wallow in their whining

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
7.1  pat wilson  replied to  livefreeordie @7    6 years ago

He's spending your tax money to bail out a Chinese corporation and you're okay with that ?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @7.1    6 years ago

A commie, Marxist, China at that!

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
Sophomore Quiet
7.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  livefreeordie @7    6 years ago

 It’s so funny to see the left worked up about capitalism at work.

  Wrong word, it's called corruption...

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8  livefreeordie    6 years ago

What the left isn’t reporting about ZTE

100s of US COMPANIES provide nearly $3 BILLION in parts to ZTE. That means thousands of good paying US jobs are at stake.

“Trump's decision to revert the seven-year export ban is a huge sigh of relief for the 74,000 ZTE employees, the thousands of carriers and enterprise customers that rely on the Shenzhen-based company products for their network infrastructure, the millions of ZTE smartphone users and the hundreds of U.S. companies that supply ZTE with nearly $3 billion worth of components annually.”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @8    6 years ago

Trump’s tweets, in other words, aren’t picking a side in an internal disagreement about trade policy. At least, they aren’t just doing that. They appear to involve overruling his whole national security team’s assessment of ZTE’s role in the world. And it happened with no explanation, no background briefing, and seemingly no consultation with the relevant officials.

But it also happened the same week a Chinese state-owned company came through with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, some of which will go to facilitate the construction of Trump-branded properties in Indonesia.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    6 years ago

So what. I hope Trump makes Billions as president.  The Clintons and Obama’s got wealthy while in the White House 

After all, the chief business of the American people is business.

President Calvin Coolidge's address to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington D.C.,January 25, 1925.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
8.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.1    6 years ago

Trumpsters sink lower in morality every day as they scramble to defend this atrocity. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    6 years ago

There’s nothing immoral about making money unless you do so illegally

so you must believe then that Obama is immoral for becoming wealthy while president

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.4  magnoliaave  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    6 years ago

The U.S, coming to China with help, I understand and IMO was the right thing to do.  However, China's deal with investing in properties in Indonesia, I don't like at all.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.1.5  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    6 years ago

We had 8 years of atrocity with  the Anti American Hussein Obama in the White House

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
8.2  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @8    6 years ago

One post you say that we shouldn't sell anything to Iran, another you say we should sell everything to China. What makes you think that China is LESS dangerous to our sovereignty than Iran, especially if we sell them the technology they need to surveille us? 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @8.2    6 years ago

I didn’t say that China isnt dangerous. But Iran believes in war with the world.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
8.2.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    6 years ago
But Iran believes in war with the world.

And, China doesn't? laughing dude

 
 
 
magnoliaave
Sophomore Quiet
8.2.3  magnoliaave  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.2    6 years ago

No.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.2    6 years ago

China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
8.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    6 years ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Iran is in no position to take on the world, even if they had nukes. In a trade war with China, we would lose, and lose HUGE. Without Chinese goods, half the wal-marts nation wide would shut their doors. A LOT of what we buy on a daily basis is made, at least in part, in China. I don't like that fact at all, but that is reality. 

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
Sophomore Participates
8.2.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    6 years ago
China believes in economic war,

And, running the U.S. economy into the ground is OK with you? Wow.

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
8.2.7  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    6 years ago
Iran believes in war with the world.

Iran hasn't started a war for over 200 years.    I think you've confused Iran with the US or Israel.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
8.2.8  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    6 years ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Oh, so you admit Trump is on China's side over the USA in that economic war.  Making China great again,  diminishing the strength and respect of the USA.  TREASON, baby.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
8.2.9  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    6 years ago

Seems you do as well.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
8.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    6 years ago

China believes in land grabbing, too

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
8.2.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    6 years ago

Iran is designated by the US government as the worlds leading state sponsor of terrorism.  The fund Hezbollah and Hamas, they are using the war in Syria to expand access for their Navy into the Mediterranean 

like all of Islam they have been at war with the rest of the world since 632 AD

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
8.2.12  Ronin2  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    6 years ago

Are you counting proxy wars? Iran supports and trains Shai militias throughout the Middle East and Africa.

Before you say that the US, Russia, China, EU, Israel, and every other country just about on the planet starts and engages in proxy wars- Iran runs counter to more of our Middle East and African allies than China does.  You don't reward Iran with aid and economic rewards when it will use the money against both the US and allies via their proxy militias.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
8.2.13  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.12    6 years ago

Really weird seeing republicans defending our adversaries and a president on the take, especially after all that 'pay for play' bullcrap you all threw at Hillary.  Do you have any standards for your side, or is just everyone else?

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
8.2.14  Skrekk  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.12    6 years ago
Are you counting proxy wars?

If I were then the US would overwhelmingly have the highest number particularly in regards to the terrorist groups it has sponsored against Iran, which is something they've never done to us.     But otherwise both countries have their own regional security interests.....the US just tends to claim that its region extends to every corner of the planet.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
8.2.15  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    6 years ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Then perhaps you can explain why they are building islands in the South China Sea to land bombers on? 

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
9  Ender    6 years ago

I was going to say, unbelievable yet nothing is any more.

And the conservative/republicans will turn a blind eye, yet again....

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10  seeder  JohnRussell    6 years ago

s the president of the United States revising American trade policy — and possibly jeopardizing national security — because his family received a large cash bribe from the Chinese government?

Under normal political circumstances, it would be an outrageous accusation to level. But under the political circumstances of 2018, there is suggestive evidence that it possibly happened — but the 24/7 din of controversy and scandal means that very little attention is being paid to the possibility. The constant tumult of the Trump Show — who’s leaking, who’s being mean to John McCain’s family, why is the president always lying about golfing, etc. — manages to crowd out not just big-picture policy coverage but also genuine malfeasance that has real, negative impacts on people’s lives.

“The controversies,” David Frum warned a week after Election Day 2016 , “will divert you from the scandals.”

And that’s what seems to be going on this week, when two below-the-radar stories — one about hotel financing in Indonesia and one about low-end smartphone sales in the United States — have a striking and potentially quite disturbing intersection. Here’s what we know so far.

ZTE and Lido City: a chronology

ZTE is a Chinese telecommunications equipment manufacturer that, among other things, manufactures Android smartphones, primarily on the cheaper, lower end of the market. Like most big Chinese companies, ZTE has various ties to the Chinese government, and there have long been questions about the security implications of relying on foreign firms with government links for sensitive communications roles. But separate from that longstanding controversy, ZTE had been in intense trouble lately for a largely unrelated issue pertaining to US sanctions policy.

Why did Trump change course on ZTE?

It’s of course possible to interpret Trump’s rapid turnabout on the ZTE issue as reflecting what Ana Swanson, Mark Landler, and Keith Bradsher of the New York Times term “another twist in the pitched battle inside the White House between the economic nationalists, who channel Mr. Trump’s protectionist instincts, and more mainstream advisers, who worry about the effects of hard-line policies on the stock market and long-term economic growth.”

But while there clearly are overall disagreements inside the Trump administration about trade with China, the ZTE issue isn’t really a trade policy issue at all. The charge is that ZTE repeatedly and willfully violated US sanctions against Iran and North Korea, sanctions whose integrity is the centerpiece of American policy toward those two countries and increasingly so as a result of Trump’s own moves.

What’s more, back in February, FBI Director Christopher Wray, joined by the heads of the CIA and NSA plus Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, testified before Congress that it’s a national security risk to let US government employees use phones made by ZTE (or fellow Chinese phone maker Huawei) and that they wouldn’t recommend private citizens do so either. The Defense Department, which is not in the grips of Trump’s weird ideas about how trade works , announced on May 2 that it will ban the sale of ZTE and Huawei phones from military bases because it regards the products as insecure due to the companies’ relationship to the Chinese government.

Trump’s tweets, in other words, aren’t picking a side in an internal disagreement about trade policy. At least, they aren’t just doing that. They appear to involve overruling his whole national security team’s assessment of ZTE’s role in the world. And it happened with no explanation, no background briefing, and seemingly no consultation with the relevant officials.

But it also happened the same week a Chinese state-owned company came through with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, some of which will go to facilitate the construction of Trump-branded properties in Indonesia.

The Trump administration’s inadequate response

Asked at Monday’s press briefing about the business deal in Indonesia, White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah punted questions to the Trump Organization, saying, “You’re asking about a private organization’s dealings.”

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar

(Raj Shah is really friggin' bad at this -- almost makes @ PressSec look good by comparison)

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar

Asked about Chinese government's involvement in a Trump Organization project in Indonesia and if that violates the emoluments clause, Raj Shah says, "I'll have to refer you to the Trump Organization... you're asking about a private organization's dealings." pic.twitter.com/3R2vjEHe32

This is a ridiculous answer.

There’s no allegation that the Trump Organization qua private business is doing anything wrong. And the Trump Organization, as a privately held business, has no particular obligation to answer skeptical questions from the public . The obligation to answer questions from the public rests with the White House, and the questionable conduct is on the part of the US president.

Way back in January 2017, Trump attorney Sheri Dillon reassured the public that “no new foreign deals will be made whatsoever during the duration of President Trump’s presidency.”

She was, obviously, misleading people about that and doing so on behalf of Trump. A company that he owns and that is run by his sons — sons who also serve as close political advisers — is doing business all around the world, including with foreign governments, at the same time that Trump is doing multifaceted international negotiations with those same governments.

Many Republicans in Congress are clearly aware that something fishy is happening with ZTE . But while they have extensive oversight powers that could be used to check Trump’s conflicts of interest, they uniformly decline to use any of them , leaving America to depend on nothing more than Trump’s say-so and goodwill for as long as the GOP retains the majority.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
10.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @10    6 years ago

John the reason the WH will not issue a public apology is very simple: Trump see's apologies as admitting fault and trump never...EVER admits fault. That's what it all boils down to. 

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
10.1.1  Explorerdog  replied to  MrFrost @10.1    6 years ago

He also believes that pleading the fifth is an admission of guilt, guess what he will soon be doing.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
10.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @10    6 years ago

Coc Violation "BF"

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
10.3  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @10    6 years ago

Lock him up! Hmmm...... where have I heard that before? Seems Trump's crimes are actually real though.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Quiet
12  lennylynx    6 years ago

Drain the swamp, drain the swamp, drain the swamp...

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
12.2  Raven Wing  replied to  lennylynx @12    6 years ago

Trump is the swamp. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Raven Wing @12.2    6 years ago
'Trump is the swamp.'

He's a fetid cesspole of liquid diarrhea.  

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
12.3  livefreeordie  replied to  lennylynx @12    6 years ago

The swamp consists of the career bureaucrats and politicians who are addicted to power to control the people

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of power. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

  -- Daniel Webster, speech at Niblo’s Saloon , New York, March 15, 1837

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
12.3.1  Explorerdog  replied to  livefreeordie @12.3    6 years ago

Thhen there is the new breed of swamp dwellers that are simply egotistically driven people that have a singular goal of destroying the very institutions that have separated us from third world despots that care nothing for the quality of our water, air, education or protecting the Constitution which is an obstacle to their desires. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
12.3.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Explorerdog @12.3.1    6 years ago

Wrong. As a Constitutionalist and minarchist, I want the Federal Government to return to following the Constitution 

like most statist collectivists, you think only by surrendering our liberties and individualism to to the collective good of the state can society progress and satisfy societal needs

Frederic Bastiat correctly refuted this false accusation by you Socialists in his famous Treatise, The Law in 1850

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain"

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Guide
12.3.3  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  livefreeordie @12.3.2    6 years ago

Take America back to a time where states were more important than the federal government and watch America fail. 

States that "do good" would be overran by residents form states that did shit. Bringing them down as well. 

I have had to relocate more than once already because of poorly ran states that don't offer what I needed in life. Do away with the fed and watch America fall into chaos. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
Junior Silent
12.3.4  livefreeordie  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12.3.3    6 years ago

What you cite is exactly why we were formed as a republic of sovereign states.  I have moved to Arizona where open carry is legal and where I don’t have to live under the Marxist totalitarianism of Kalifornia

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Guide
12.3.5  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  livefreeordie @12.3.4    6 years ago
why we were formed as a republic of sovereign states.  I have moved to Arizona where open carry is legal and where I don’t have to live under the Marxist totalitarianism of Kalifornia

IF that is the main reason you moved to a different state I'd say you really wanted to carry a gun.

When I was forced to relocate it was for reasons of education, the economy and employment. The state government had not done their job and ran a productive efficient state where both could flourish as other states had done so I needed to relocate to a state that had to move my life forward. 

As I see it the advantages of a uniform governmental laws and country outweighs the disadvantages of a devided America with different state laws and rules and standard of living with all the states left up to their own devices.

Some states cant seem to get their shit together without outside oversight. Some do fine, but soon get invaded by people form surrounding states that do suck pulling them down as well. 

United we stand, devided we fall. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
12.4  Krishna  replied to  lennylynx @12    6 years ago
Drain the swamp, drain the swamp, drain the swamp...

And then... LOCK HIM UP!

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
13  Krishna    6 years ago

Trump is keeping his campaign promises-- he's working hard to save jobs!

Trump is going to make China Great Again!

His exact words:

"Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!" Trump wrote in a tweet Sunday. 

(Perhaps he thinks that unfair U.S. trade policies are hurting Chinese jobs-- and he wants to change that? thinking )

 
 
 
Skrekk
Sophomore Participates
13.1  Skrekk  replied to  Krishna @13    6 years ago

He also has a rather "flexible" view of how important his sanctions against Iran are given that he's about to waive those rules for a specific foreign company just because some jobs might be lost somewhere.

My guess is that the $500 million Chinese bribe was a bigger factor anyway.

 
 
 
freepress
Freshman Silent
14  freepress    6 years ago

The Trump family has to appease the Chinese to make sure baby Ivanka gets all those trademarks and clothing & shoe sweatshops at the lowest possible prices.

The Trump family is a global empire and they are finally taking off the mask and showing everyone who they really support. They support their own global interests first.

They lie and say "America First" when all they actually do is put any country first as long as they see a dollar sign.

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
14.1  Explorerdog  replied to  freepress @14    6 years ago
The Trump family has to appease the Chinese to make sure baby Ivanka gets all those trademarks and clothing & shoe sweatshops at the lowest possible prices.

she did get the exemption on tariffs!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
15  Tacos!    6 years ago

I see no reason why there can't be some congressional oversight on a thing like this. However, until specific facts indicate something improper, it's a disservice to the country to paint the events as corrupt or criminal. Unfortunately, there is no level of speculation that today's media won't happily report as fact.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
15.1  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @15    6 years ago

Punkin, did you forget Benghazi?  Look it up.

 
 
 
Fireryone
Freshman Silent
15.2  Fireryone  replied to  Tacos! @15    6 years ago
I see no reason why there can't be some congressional oversight on a thing like this.

There is supposed to be.  Until there is any indication that there will be oversight from congress, I'm fine with the reports. 

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
15.3  Explorerdog  replied to  Tacos! @15    6 years ago

And Fox will report if they mention it at all as being fake news.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
16  TᵢG    6 years ago

(test)

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
17  nightwalker    6 years ago

Oh I don't know, where is your sense of oligarchy? Doesn't it tug at your hearts when you hear the words "money is all" or "Capitalism is the bestest government?" I just don't know what's the matter with some people, I swear.

Why shouldn't trump be allowed to control his own business and why not let him combine his business with the U.S. and run them both as his personal business, for personal profit. Privatizing is the most wonderful thing. Wow, it sure gives him a nice edge to have U.S. production and armed forces and tariffs to use for a little extra leverage, eh what? He can "deal" away lots of the U.S. resources, it won't affect his profits and that's all that matters.

/S

Laugh

'Course, trump is just a front man, he has his master$ (second hint: not the voters) and as long as his plans don't interfere with their plans and he immediately follows orders it's all green. If he forgets his place they'll send someone around like the NRA did and straighten his a$$ out on who's really running that part of the show. Or threaten to sue him like Mercer, trump's first rule is NEVER return money.

OK, just kidding, that's his second rule his first rule is "It's all for and about me" and some other rules are "I'm so funny" and "fraud, lying, and any form of cheating are not illegal" and the ever famous "why tell the truth when lies are so much more effective?"

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
18  Thrawn 31    6 years ago
“Too many jobs in China lost.

That is honestly my favorite part about the whole thing. MCGA!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
18.1  Dulay  replied to  Thrawn 31 @18    6 years ago

And the irony is that the Trump supporters didn't even blink! 

Ya, that's the ticket! That's why we voted for Trump. More jobs for China! 

There is NO BOTTOM for these people. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
18.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    6 years ago
Buy a newspaper.....Jobs in America are flooding in, and Black unemployment is at a historic low.

It's been dropping since 2010, Obama did that, not drumpf. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
18.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    6 years ago
Bammy.

It's sad really... Obama was in office for 8 years and you still can't spell his name. 

#sad

#deplorable

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
18.1.4  Dulay  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    6 years ago
Buy a newspaper.....Jobs in America are flooding in, and Black unemployment is at a historic low.

I'm sure that you think that made some ethereal point. It didn't.

The seed is about Trump acting against U.S national security by intervening with a Federal agency in favor of a CHINESE company that has been violating international sanctions. Address THAT. 

 
 

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