Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For Trump Project

Via:  johnrussell  •  5 months ago  •  163 comments

Trump Orders Help For Chinese Phone-Maker After China Approves Money For Trump Project

Trump will profit from Indonesian resort project that will get $500 million in Chinese loans in a deal sealed days before before his tweet ordering help for ZTE.

“President Xi of China, and I, are working together to give massive Chinese phone company, ZTE, a way to get back into business, fast,” Trump announced on Twitter Sunday morning. “Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!”



Trump did not mention in that tweet or its follow-ups that on Thursday, the developer of a theme park resort outside of Jakarta had signed a deal to receive as much as $500 million in Chinese government loans, as well as another $500 million from Chinese banks, according to Agence France-Presse. Trump’s family business, the Trump Organization, has a deal to license the Trump name to the resort, which includes a golf course and hotels.



Trump, despite his campaign promises to turn over his businesses and have no involvement with them, has still not fully divested himself of his businesses, and continues to profit from them.



“You do a good deal for him, he does a good deal for you. Quid pro quo,” said Richard Painter, the White House ethics lawyer for former President George W. Bush and now a Democratic candidate for Senate in Minnesota.



“This appears to be yet another violation of the emoluments clause of the Constitution,” Painter said, referring to the prohibition against the president receiving payments from foreign governments.



The White House did not respond to HuffPost queries asking if there was a connection between the “MNC Lido City” project and Trump’s directive regarding ZTE.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-china-zte_us_5af9f701e4b0200bcab7fa66

Tags

jrDiscussion - desc
JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

crook

 
 
cjcold
1.1  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @1    5 months ago

Peace through profit?

 
 
pat wilson
2  pat wilson    5 months ago

treason.

 
 
Greg Jones
2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  pat wilson @2    5 months ago

Treason...according to who??  chucklegood onelaughing dude

No wonder Democrats can't win elections.

 
 
Cerenkov
2.1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    5 months ago

Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

 
 
Dulay
2.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Cerenkov @2.1.1    5 months ago
Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

 
 
MrFrost
2.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Cerenkov @2.1.1    5 months ago
Trump is under no requirement to not profit from his businesses.

Actually he is. 

The Title of Nobility Clause is a provision in Article ISection 9, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution,[1] that prohibits the federal government from granting titles of nobility, and restricts members of the government from receiving giftsemoluments, offices or titles from foreign states without the consent of the United States Congress. Also known as the Emoluments Clause, it was designed to shield the republican character of the United States against so-called "corrupting foreign influences." This shield is reinforced by the corresponding prohibition on state titles of nobility in Article I, Section 10, and more generally by the Republican Guarantee Clause in Article IV, Section 4.[2]

.

Trump was influenced in his decision. He wants to help ZTE in exchange for help with his site in Indonesia. 

"America First"? So much for that lie. 

 
 
MrFrost
2.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1    5 months ago
No wonder Democrats can't win elections.

Democrats won 2 of the last 3 presidential elections. 

 
 
Tessylo
2.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.3    5 months ago
"America First"? So much for that lie.'

Donald Rump first  

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.4    5 months ago
Democrats won 2 of the last 3 presidential elections.

republicans won 3 of the last 5 elections

we could do that all day... LOL :)

soon to be - republicans win 4 of the last 6 elections  (trump will win re-election )

 
 
MrFrost
2.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.6    5 months ago

So what you are saying is that Democrats win more often. Got it. 

 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.8  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.7    5 months ago
Democrats win more often.

obviously not... lol

  https://www.thoughtco.com/which-presidents-were-republican-105451

There have been 19 Republican presidents since Abraham Lincoln first ran as a Republican to win the presidency in 1861. Even though the Democratic party has been around longer than the Republican party, there have only been 13 Democrat presidents. Here are the first 18 Republican presidents in order of their terms, along with a few highlights of each president's time in office. Number 19 is, of course, Donald Trump.

 
 
JohnRussell
3  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/387699-obama-ethics-chief-accuses-trump-of-violating-emoluments-clause

Norm Eisen, the top ethics official under former President Obama, is accusing President Trump of violating the Constitution's emoluments clause.

Eisen on Monday tweeted in response to a recent report that a major development project linked to Trump in Indonesia is expected to be supported by $500 million from the Chinese government.

“This is a violation of the Emoluments Clause,” Eisen tweeted. “A big one. See you in court Mr. Trump.”

The South China Morning Post reported that $500 million in Chinese government loans will support construction of MNC Lido City, a billion-dollar resort and theme park project that will feature Trump-branded hotels and a golf course.

Richard Painter, former President George W. Bush’s chief ethics lawyer, also told the South China Morning Post that the project could violate the emoluments clause and said he “would have advised” Trump to sell his holdings in the project.

Trump’s involvement in the project was solidified in 2015, according to the paper.

Trump announced in a tweet over the weekend that surprised many in Washington that he was working with Chinese President Xi Jinping to boost Chinese telecommunications company ZTE, which was under a U.S. import ban for violating U.S. sanctions on Iran.

The report also comes after several weeks of back-and-forth on tariffs between the U.S. and China.

Trump is already facing two lawsuits, both as the president and as an individual, for allegedly violating the emoluments clause of the Constitution, which bans elected officials from financially benefitting from foreign governments.

A federal judge in December dismissed another emoluments clause lawsuit against Trump that was brought by watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Trump has retained ownership of his company, though he handed control over to his two sons.

Critics and ethics watchdogs say Trump is violating the clause whenever foreign governments make use of his hotels or golf courses. Trump has asked a federal judge to dismiss one of the lawsuits.

 
 
Greg Jones
3.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3    5 months ago

Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment. Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
3.1.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago
Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

First, never say never, I'm sure Nixon and, Clinton both thought that impeachment would never happen, they were both wrong. Second, yes, he could be prosecuted and, the key words in your post are "as far as we know", you don't know what Mueller has found, you don't know what the states of California or, New York have found so, until we do we can't say he won't be prosecuted.

 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago
Even if he is a crook

Trump has been a known crook long before this China thing came up.  This is just the latest thing. 

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
3.1.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago
Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment. Sadly for the left, as a sitting president, he can't be prosecuted for any crime, only impeached...which will never happen. Once out of office, he could be prosecuted, but as far as we know, the only crime he has committed is making liberals unhappy.

MCGA!

 
 
MrFrost
3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago
Even if he is a crook

Wait, what? He has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times. Even his own people admit he is a con man. 

IMG_20170702_101113.jpg

 
 
loki12
3.1.5  loki12  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    5 months ago
Wait, what? He has been sued for fraud over 3,500 times.

Another post and another lie. skirting the CoC [ph]

053116-trump-lawsuits_1-2.jpg

I will assume you know what plaintiff means.

 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.1.5    5 months ago

Trump is a bum. He would do things like tell a painting company that had painted hotel rooms for him that he was only going to pay them half the contracted price because they "didnt do a good job".   A couple times might have some truth to it.  He did it as a way of doing business. Why do you think he was sued so many times

  • USA TODAY exclusive: Hundreds allege Donald Trump

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/09/...

    Jun 09, 2016 · Donald Trump casts himself as a protector of workers, but a USA TODAY Network ... organization frequently failing to pay small businesses and ...

  • Dozens of lawsuits accuse Trump of not paying his bills ...

    www.foxnews.com/.../10/dozens-lawsuits-accuse-trump-not-paying-his...

    Jun 10, 2016 · Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has beensued at least 60 times by individuals and businesses who accuse him of failing to pay for work done at his various properties, according to two published reports.

  • Businesses and employees accuse Donald Trump of not paying ...

    www.businessinsider.com/businesses-and-employees-accuse-donald...

    Hundreds of small businesses and employees have reportedly accused Donald Trumpof not paying them. ... Trump Ruffin sued him ... Donald Trump Businesses JobsPayment.

  • Trump ordered to pay nearly $300,000 in lawsuit

    www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/...

    But Trump must pay nearly $300,000 ... Small Business; ... hour attorneys and two $150-an-hour paralegals that lawsuit loser Trump Endeavor will have to pay. ...

  • Donald Trump Has a History of Not Paying His Bills. That ...

    nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/trump-didnt-pay-his-bills...

    ... document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them ... Trump’s course, then filed a lawsuit ... small-business people — as a ...

  • Donald Trump's Many Unpaid IOUs | Fortune

    fortune.com/2016/06/10/donald-trumps-many-unpaid-ious

    Many involve contractors trying to get paid, while many others involve Trump company employees seeking overtime or other forms of pay they say they were denied. USA Today reports that Trump companies have “been cited for 24 violations of the Fair Labor Standards Act since 2005,” a potential problem for him in presenting himself as the …

  • Meet the (Many) Small Business Owners Stiffed by Donald...

    https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/meet-the-many-small-business...

    ... (Many) Small Business Owners Stiffed by Donald Trump. ... the many small business owners Donald Trump has ... Trump defends his history of payment disputes ...

  • Hundreds Claim Donald Trump Doesn't Pay His Bills in …

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-claim-donald-trump...

    Watch video · Hundreds Claim Donald Trump Doesn't Pay ... for Donald Trump for president. The small ... amount of business her father does “We have hundreds ...

  • SORE LOSER: Trump Won't Pay What He Owes Small Business!

    www.gossipextra.com/.../24/donald-trump-wont-pay-small-business-80400

    MIAMI — President Donald Trump says he’s all about small business, but he sure has a strange way of showing it. The Trump National Doral, owned by Trump Endeavor 12 and run by The Donald’s family, is refusing to pay money to a small South Florida spabusiness, even though Trump lost two lawsuits!

 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.7  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  loki12 @3.1.5    5 months ago

Why the fock are you defending the bum? 

 
 
Krishna
3.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago
Even if he is a crook, that would put in good company with the Clintons and most high up Democrats in gubment.

I don't see what people are worrying about-- I predict that within a few months Hillary will be impeached and actually removed from office!

 
 
nightwalker
3.1.9  nightwalker  replied to  Krishna @3.1.8    5 months ago

ROFL

Jail THEM! Jail them! Jail them!

 
 
Xxjefferson#51
3.1.10  Xxjefferson#51  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1    5 months ago

I’m happy to commit the crime of making liberals unhappy twice every day here.  It is my pleasure 😇!  

 
 
Xxjefferson#51
3.1.11  Xxjefferson#51  replied to  loki12 @3.1.5    5 months ago

Clappingthumbs up

 
 
Xxjefferson#51
3.1.12  Xxjefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.7    5 months ago

We are normalizing his Presidency and administration because of and over your objections to the contrary.  

 
 
devangelical
3.1.13  devangelical  replied to  Xxjefferson#51 @3.1.10    5 months ago

I've found that victimizing local thumpers at my end over what you publish here is very satisfying.

 
 
JohnRussell
4  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

IS CHINA STRAIGHT-UP BRIBING DONALD TRUMP?

The president suddenly softens on a Chinese business after Beijing bankrolls a Trump Organization project.
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 months ago

That's how business gets done in the real world.

 
 
Dulay
4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    5 months ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

So you admit that Trump took a bribe, an impeachable offense. Oh and there is that little issue with the FACT that the reason that ZTE was put on the list is because they violated sanctions against Iran and North Korea, putting our national security at risk. 

Is there NO bottom line y'all won't let Trump go below? 

 
 
pat wilson
4.1.2  pat wilson  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    5 months ago
Is there NO bottom line y'all won't let Trump go below?

Nope.

 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    5 months ago

Trump could never sink to the level of the Democrats

 
 
Dulay
4.1.4  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.3    5 months ago
Trump could never sink to the level of the Democrats

So that's a NO. 

 
 
Krishna
4.1.5  Krishna  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    5 months ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

Well-- in some parts of it:

Married to the Mob

 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1    5 months ago
That's how business gets done in the real world.

He's the President of the United States....he's not supposed to be making money for himself!!!!!!!

And where are the American jobs? Wasn't that one of his campaign promises?

 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.6    5 months ago

We have the lowest unemployment since 2000

 
 
DRHunk
4.1.8  DRHunk  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    5 months ago

Thanks Obama =)

 
 
Peter Loves the Real Tea Party.
4.1.9  Peter Loves the Real Tea Party.  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    5 months ago

It's good that Obama got the job crisis to end. Trump was the fortunate (if unwitting and unappreciative) benefactor of Obama's work.

 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.10  livefreeordie  replied to  Peter Loves the Real Tea Party. @4.1.9    5 months ago

What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that

 
 
Peter Loves the Real Tea Party.
4.1.11  Peter Loves the Real Tea Party.  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    5 months ago

Inasmuch as it is an actual fact, it doesn't shock me that you are opposed to it.

 
 
Tessylo
4.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    5 months ago
'What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that'

What's truly frightening is everything that comes out of your piehole.  

 
 
Explorerdog
4.1.13  Explorerdog  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    5 months ago

How are your investments and 401K doing? Ooops you probably don't have investments and bury your pennies in a jar in the backyard, but if you did then you like everyone else is seeing the biggest losses since G.W. Bush and guess which party he identified with.

 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.7    5 months ago
We have the lowest unemployment since 2000

Based on the way Trump measured unemployment during the Obama years, unemployment has been going UP!

 
 
JBB
4.1.15  JBB  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.14    5 months ago

Remember how righties equivocated on how unemployment was figured by the government under Obama?

The same agencies used the same method being touted by the gop today. The gop's false grace is stunning.

 
 
MrFrost
4.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.10    5 months ago
What’s truly frightening is that you probably believe that

The unemployment rate was barely above 4% when trump took office. Trump has done very little to actually drive the UE rate lower than it was when he took office. That's a fact. 

 
 
Skrekk
5  Skrekk    5 months ago

Another thing Trump did was hand a $20 billion contract to Russia by withdrawing from the JCPOA.   Boeing lost their contract with Iran as a direct result and Russia's Sukhoi is the likely beneficiary of Trump's idiocy.

I think we've got a Russian mole sitting in the oval office.

https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/news/2018/05/14/russia-sell-jets-iran-trump-nuclear-deal-boeing.html

 
 
livefreeordie
5.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5    5 months ago

We should never sell anything to an enemy like Iran

 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1    5 months ago

You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

 
 
Skrekk
5.1.2  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1    5 months ago

Larry, why would Iran be your enemy given that they've achieved the kind of theocracy which you seek to impose in the US?

 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.2    5 months ago

I’ve repeatedly said I oppose all the theocracies as a Christian minarchist.  Jesus never told us to establish nations. Our King and His kingdom are not of this world

islam is first and foremost a political ideology that has the goal of conquering the entire wold in Islamic control.  That is why they are enemies

 
 
MrFrost
5.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    5 months ago
You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

Nothing in your post is remotely true. 

 
 
Skrekk
5.1.5  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.3    5 months ago
I’ve repeatedly said I oppose all the theocracies as a Christian minarchist.

And yet you've also admitted that you voted for Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect, so it seems you really do want a theocracy.    The good news is that you can model yours on the Iranian theocracy since you share the same vile views about gays as they do.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
5.1.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    5 months ago
You're right, we'll just send them pallets of cash in an unmarked airplane in the middle of the night so they can continue to fund terrorism and discord all over the Middle East.

Who's cash did we send them?

 
 
lib50
5.1.7  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.3    5 months ago

I want to make sure I do the opposite of what your religious edicts seem to espouse. 

 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @5.1.7    5 months ago

I'll sign up for that!

 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.6    5 months ago
Who's cash did we send them?

Their own cash

 
 
Tessylo
5.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    5 months ago
'And yet you've also admitted that you voted for Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect, so it seems you really do want a theocracy.    The good news is that you can model yours on the Iranian theocracy since you share the same vile views about gays as they do.'

And he's supposedly a 'pastor' for fuck's sake.  

Revolting.  

 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    5 months ago

Wrong I supported Prop 8 because government has no right to redef8ne marriage nor should government have any involvement in marriage or divorce

 
 
Tacos!
5.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Skrekk @5.1.5    5 months ago
Prop h8 in order to use the state to enforce the anti-gay Christian sharia laws of your peculiar sect

Prop 8 didn't do anything like that. It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone. 

I'm also curious what it is you think the Christian laws are relevant to homosexuals and how they would manifest at the state level.

Or are you just - as I suspect - engaging in another hysterical leftist rant divorced from rational thought?

 
 
Phoenyx13
5.1.13  Phoenyx13  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.12    5 months ago
That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone.

it absolutely does:

 It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. 

you just stated what it enforced (or would have enforced, i should say). did you know the definition of marriage being between a man and a woman is a very popular theme among Christians (and in  the Republican Party Platform as well) ?

 
 
livefreeordie
5.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.10    5 months ago

Jesus condemned all sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and a woman. Christian are commanded by Jesus to obey and share His teaching and commandments with the world

 
 
evilgenius
5.1.15  evilgenius  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.14    5 months ago
Jesus condemned all sexual activity outside of the marriage of a man and a woman.

Then Christians shouldn't do it. The rest of us are now liberated from your archaic theocratic law.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
5.1.16  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.9    5 months ago

And, the winner is Mrs. Giggles!!!

 
 
Skrekk
5.1.17  Skrekk  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.12    5 months ago
Prop 8 didn't do anything like that. It defined marriage as being between a man and a woman. Legally, this simply meant that certain legal benefits would not be extended to same-sex couples. That doesn't enforce anything onto anyone.

In other words it removed the right to marry from same-sex couples, thus directly causing them substantial harm for no rational or secular reason.    That's what makes it a profoundly disgusting Christian sharia law, the complete lack of any secular basis or legitimate state purpose.    Prop h8 was also at its core a violation of the 1st Amendment which is to be expected since it was primarily hate groups run by churches which lobbied for it.

The ban on same-sex marriage was no different from the former bans on mixed-race marriage in the confederate states and in California, except that the class of persons harmed by that law is different and in Prop h8 the referendum process actually rescinded a fundamental right which the state courts had previously determined was protected by the state constitution........an even more vile event than what had happened to mixed-race couples.    But in all other respects these two Christian sharia laws were very much the same and derived from the same set of loony and bigoted superstitions.

 
 
Explorerdog
5.1.18  Explorerdog  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.1    5 months ago

No worries they would just disappear like the ones G.W. lost

 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @5.1.16    5 months ago

<bows>

 
 
MrFrost
5.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @5.1.11    5 months ago
because government has no right to redef8ne marriage

You are obviously confusing holy matrimony and legal marriage. Legal marriage is a LEGAL contract between two people for which you have to get a license. Where does a license come from? The government. So the government has every right to change the legality of a license. If the government changed the driving age from 16 to 19...guess what? If you apply for a license and you are 16? No dice. 

You lost, deal with it. 

 
 
Explorerdog
5.2  Explorerdog  replied to  Skrekk @5    5 months ago

Russia also stands to increase the cash flow from stagnant to 51 million a day due to the increase in oil revenue and now Putin can fund the infrastructure improvements.

 
 
Raven Wing
6  Raven Wing    5 months ago

I dunno....but is seems that Trump is mixing his own private business with his work as the President of this country, in order to benefit himself under the pretense of helping America. He will forever and always be the host of a reality world called "Apprentice" and act accordingly. He is in it for himself, to get as much out of his position as President as he can for himself. I can only hope that he does not wind up bankrupting America like he has so many of his own businesses, as he seems to think running America is like running a business, and acts accordingly. 

The sad part is it won't only be his own supporters that pay the price of their blind worship of him, but, the rest of the people of America as well. 

 
 
Greg Jones
6.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Raven Wing @6    5 months ago

He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants. He simply cares more about our country than the Democrats do. Anyone who can't see and understand that is a fool.

 
 
Raven Wing
6.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago

The fool is those who put their trust in Trump. 

 
 
Trout Giggles
6.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago
He simply cares more about our country than the Democrats do.

oh bull

 
 
Ozzwald
6.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago
He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants.

Prove it! 

I say he is over 300 million dollars in debt.

 
 
Tessylo
6.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Ozzwald @6.1.3    5 months ago
'I say he is over 300 million dollars in debt.'

I believe he is indebted up to his ridiculous combover

 
 
Explorerdog
6.1.6  Explorerdog  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago

Did he tell you that or did he share his tax returns with you?

 
 
nightwalker
6.1.7  nightwalker  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago

Have you ever hear of any billionaire anywhere who's ever had enough money?

 
 
Studiusbagus
6.1.8  Studiusbagus  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1    5 months ago
He's already got all the fortune he needs or wants.

He's in debt up to his eyeballs, he creates wealth through debt and then leaves whoever loaned him the money in bankruptcy court.

Settle up all his assets and liabilities and you'll find he's in the red. Banks in the USA won't touch him.

 
 
livefreeordie
7  livefreeordie    5 months ago

It’s so funny to see the left worked up about capitalism at work.   God bless America and the pursuit of happiness

let the left wallow in their whining

 
 
pat wilson
7.1  pat wilson  replied to  livefreeordie @7    5 months ago

He's spending your tax money to bail out a Chinese corporation and you're okay with that ?

 
 
Trout Giggles
7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @7.1    5 months ago

A commie, Marxist, China at that!

 
 
Studiusbagus
7.2  Studiusbagus  replied to  livefreeordie @7    5 months ago

 It’s so funny to see the left worked up about capitalism at work.

  Wrong word, it's called corruption...

 
 
livefreeordie
8  livefreeordie    5 months ago

What the left isn’t reporting about ZTE

100s of US COMPANIES provide nearly $3 BILLION in parts to ZTE. That means thousands of good paying US jobs are at stake.

“Trump's decision to revert the seven-year export ban is a huge sigh of relief for the 74,000 ZTE employees, the thousands of carriers and enterprise customers that rely on the Shenzhen-based company products for their network infrastructure, the millions of ZTE smartphone users and the hundreds of U.S. companies that supply ZTE with nearly $3 billion worth of components annually.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/05/14/trump-to-rescue-chinas-zte-save-thousands-of-jobs-and-billions-of-dollars-to-u-s-tech-industry/#2010d77516c8

 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @8    5 months ago

Trump’s tweets, in other words, aren’t picking a side in an internal disagreement about trade policy. At least, they aren’t just doing that. They appear to involve overruling his whole national security team’s assessment of ZTE’s role in the world. And it happened with no explanation, no background briefing, and seemingly no consultation with the relevant officials.

But it also happened the same week a Chinese state-owned company came through with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, some of which will go to facilitate the construction of Trump-branded properties in Indonesia.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/17355202/trump-zte-indonesia-lido-city

 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.1  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    5 months ago

So what. I hope Trump makes Billions as president.  The Clintons and Obama’s got wealthy while in the White House 

After all, the chief business of the American people is business.

President Calvin Coolidge's address to the American Society of Newspaper Editors, Washington D.C.,January 25, 1925.

 
 
JohnRussell
8.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @8.1.1    5 months ago

Trumpsters sink lower in morality every day as they scramble to defend this atrocity. 

 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    5 months ago

There’s nothing immoral about making money unless you do so illegally

so you must believe then that Obama is immoral for becoming wealthy while president

 
 
magnoliaave
8.1.4  magnoliaave  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    5 months ago

The U.S, coming to China with help, I understand and IMO was the right thing to do.  However, China's deal with investing in properties in Indonesia, I don't like at all.

 
 
livefreeordie
8.1.5  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1.2    5 months ago

We had 8 years of atrocity with  the Anti American Hussein Obama in the White House

 
 
Dulay
8.2  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @8    5 months ago

One post you say that we shouldn't sell anything to Iran, another you say we should sell everything to China. What makes you think that China is LESS dangerous to our sovereignty than Iran, especially if we sell them the technology they need to surveille us? 

 
 
livefreeordie
8.2.1  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @8.2    5 months ago

I didn’t say that China isnt dangerous. But Iran believes in war with the world.

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
8.2.2  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    5 months ago
But Iran believes in war with the world.

And, China doesn't? laughing dude

 
 
magnoliaave
8.2.3  magnoliaave  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.2    5 months ago

No.

 
 
livefreeordie
8.2.4  livefreeordie  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.2    5 months ago

China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

 
 
MrFrost
8.2.5  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    5 months ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Iran is in no position to take on the world, even if they had nukes. In a trade war with China, we would lose, and lose HUGE. Without Chinese goods, half the wal-marts nation wide would shut their doors. A LOT of what we buy on a daily basis is made, at least in part, in China. I don't like that fact at all, but that is reality. 

 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
8.2.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    5 months ago
China believes in economic war,

And, running the U.S. economy into the ground is OK with you? Wow.

 
 
Skrekk
8.2.7  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    5 months ago
Iran believes in war with the world.

Iran hasn't started a war for over 200 years.    I think you've confused Iran with the US or Israel.

 
 
lib50
8.2.8  lib50  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    5 months ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Oh, so you admit Trump is on China's side over the USA in that economic war.  Making China great again,  diminishing the strength and respect of the USA.  TREASON, baby.

 
 
cjcold
8.2.9  cjcold  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.1    5 months ago

Seems you do as well.

 
 
Trout Giggles
8.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    5 months ago

China believes in land grabbing, too

 
 
livefreeordie
8.2.11  livefreeordie  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    5 months ago

Iran is designated by the US government as the worlds leading state sponsor of terrorism.  The fund Hezbollah and Hamas, they are using the war in Syria to expand access for their Navy into the Mediterranean 

like all of Islam they have been at war with the rest of the world since 632 AD

 
 
Ronin2
8.2.12  Ronin2  replied to  Skrekk @8.2.7    5 months ago

Are you counting proxy wars? Iran supports and trains Shai militias throughout the Middle East and Africa.

Before you say that the US, Russia, China, EU, Israel, and every other country just about on the planet starts and engages in proxy wars- Iran runs counter to more of our Middle East and African allies than China does.  You don't reward Iran with aid and economic rewards when it will use the money against both the US and allies via their proxy militias.

 
 
lib50
8.2.13  lib50  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.12    5 months ago

Really weird seeing republicans defending our adversaries and a president on the take, especially after all that 'pay for play' bullcrap you all threw at Hillary.  Do you have any standards for your side, or is just everyone else?

 
 
Skrekk
8.2.14  Skrekk  replied to  Ronin2 @8.2.12    5 months ago
Are you counting proxy wars?

If I were then the US would overwhelmingly have the highest number particularly in regards to the terrorist groups it has sponsored against Iran, which is something they've never done to us.     But otherwise both countries have their own regional security interests.....the US just tends to claim that its region extends to every corner of the planet.

 
 
Dulay
8.2.15  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @8.2.4    5 months ago
China believes in economic war, not physical war like Iran

Then perhaps you can explain why they are building islands in the South China Sea to land bombers on? 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-air-force-lands-bombers-on-schina-sea-island/ar-AAxuuWC

 
 
Ender
9  Ender    5 months ago

I was going to say, unbelievable yet nothing is any more.

And the conservative/republicans will turn a blind eye, yet again....

 
 
JohnRussell
10  seeder  JohnRussell    5 months ago

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/15/17355202/trump-zte-indonesia-lido-city

s the president of the United States revising American trade policy — and possibly jeopardizing national security — because his family received a large cash bribe from the Chinese government?

Under normal political circumstances, it would be an outrageous accusation to level. But under the political circumstances of 2018, there is suggestive evidence that it possibly happened —but the 24/7 din of controversy and scandal means that very little attention is being paid to the possibility. The constant tumult of the Trump Show — who’s leaking, who’s being mean to John McCain’s family, why is the president always lying about golfing, etc. — manages to crowd out not just big-picture policy coverage but also genuine malfeasance that has real, negative impacts on people’s lives.

“The controversies,” David Frum warned a week after Election Day 2016, “will divert you from the scandals.”

And that’s what seems to be going on this week, when two below-the-radar stories — one about hotel financing in Indonesia and one about low-end smartphone sales in the United States — have a striking and potentially quite disturbing intersection. Here’s what we know so far.

ZTE and Lido City: a chronology

ZTE is a Chinese telecommunications equipment manufacturer that, among other things, manufactures Android smartphones, primarily on the cheaper, lower end of the market. Like most big Chinese companies, ZTE has various ties to the Chinese government, and there have long been questions about the security implications of relying on foreign firms with government links for sensitive communications roles. But separate from that longstanding controversy, ZTE had been in intense trouble lately for a largely unrelated issue pertaining to US sanctions policy.

Why did Trump change course on ZTE?

It’s of course possible to interpret Trump’s rapid turnabout on the ZTE issue as reflecting whatAna Swanson, Mark Landler, and Keith Bradsher of the New York Times term “another twist in the pitched battle inside the White House between the economic nationalists, who channel Mr. Trump’s protectionist instincts, and more mainstream advisers, who worry about the effects of hard-line policies on the stock market and long-term economic growth.”

But while there clearly are overall disagreements inside the Trump administration about trade with China, the ZTE issue isn’t really a trade policy issue at all. The charge is that ZTE repeatedly and willfully violated US sanctions against Iran and North Korea, sanctions whose integrity is the centerpiece of American policy toward those two countries and increasingly so as a result of Trump’s own moves.

What’s more, back in February, FBI Director Christopher Wray, joined by the heads of the CIA and NSA plus Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, testified before Congress that it’s a national security risk to let US government employees use phones made by ZTE (or fellow Chinese phone maker Huawei) and that they wouldn’t recommend private citizens do so either. The Defense Department, which is not in the grips of Trump’s weird ideas about how trade works, announced on May 2 that it will ban the sale of ZTE and Huawei phones from military bases because it regards the products as insecure due to the companies’ relationship to the Chinese government.

Trump’s tweets, in other words, aren’t picking a side in an internal disagreement about trade policy. At least, they aren’t just doing that. They appear to involve overruling his whole national security team’s assessment of ZTE’s role in the world. And it happened with no explanation, no background briefing, and seemingly no consultation with the relevant officials.

But it also happened the same week a Chinese state-owned company came through with hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, some of which will go to facilitate the construction of Trump-branded properties in Indonesia.

The Trump administration’s inadequate response

Asked at Monday’s press briefing about the business deal in Indonesia, White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah punted questions to the Trump Organization, saying, “You’re asking about a private organization’s dealings.”

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar

(Raj Shah is really friggin' bad at this -- almost makes @PressSec look good by comparison)

Aaron Rupar
@atrupar

Asked about Chinese government's involvement in a Trump Organization project in Indonesia and if that violates the emoluments clause, Raj Shah says, "I'll have to refer you to the Trump Organization... you're asking about a private organization's dealings." pic.twitter.com/3R2vjEHe32

This is a ridiculous answer.

There’s no allegation that the Trump Organization qua private business is doing anything wrong. And the Trump Organization, as a privately held business, has no particular obligation to answer skeptical questions from the public. The obligation to answer questions from the public rests with the White House, and the questionable conduct is on the part of the US president.

Way back in January 2017, Trump attorney Sheri Dillon reassured the public that “no new foreign deals will be made whatsoever during the duration of President Trump’s presidency.”

She was, obviously, misleading people about that and doing so on behalf of Trump. A company that he owns and that is run by his sons — sons who also serve as close political advisers — is doing business all around the world, including with foreign governments, at the same time that Trump is doing multifaceted international negotiations with those same governments.

Many Republicans in Congress are clearly aware that something fishy is happening with ZTE. But while they have extensive oversight powers that could be used to check Trump’s conflicts of interest, they uniformly decline to use any of them, leaving America to depend on nothing more than Trump’s say-so and goodwill for as long as the GOP retains the majority.

 
 
MrFrost
10.1  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @10    5 months ago

John the reason the WH will not issue a public apology is very simple: Trump see's apologies as admitting fault and trump never...EVER admits fault. That's what it all boils down to. 

 
 
Explorerdog
10.1.1  Explorerdog  replied to  MrFrost @10.1    5 months ago

He also believes that pleading the fifth is an admission of guilt, guess what he will soon be doing.

 
 
livefreeordie
10.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @10    5 months ago

Coc Violation "BF"

 
 
cjcold
10.3  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @10    5 months ago

Lock him up! Hmmm...... where have I heard that before? Seems Trump's crimes are actually real though.  

 
 
MUVA
11  MUVA    5 months ago

Who cares really the Clinton's ran a charity and made 300 million dollars a big who cares.

 
 
MrFrost
11.1  MrFrost  replied to  MUVA @11    5 months ago

International : Development and Relief Services

CN Advisory: Low Concern

The Clinton Foundation

Strengthening the capacity of people to meet the challenges of global interdependence

 CNCNCNMODERATE CNCNCNHIGH

See Details About This CN Advisory

On January 4, 2018, Reuters reported on the operations of The Clinton Foundation, in an article titled, "Justice Dept. launches new Clinton Foundation probe: The Hill." For this reason, we have issued a Low Concern CN Advisory. For more information, please see the Reuters article.

  • On January 5, 2018, The Washington Post published an article titled, "FBI has been investigating the Clinton Foundation for months." For more information, please see The Washington Post article.

  • On January 7, 2018, CNN published an article titled, "Schiff: 'It doesn't take a genius' to see Trump 'badgering' spurred Clinton Foundation investigation." For more information, please see the CNNarticle.

Charity Response

The Clinton Foundation referred Charity Navigator to the statement they provided at the time of these news reports: 

Statement from the Clinton Foundation:

“Time after time, the Clinton Foundation has been subjected to politically motivated allegations, and time after time these allegations have been proven false. None of this has made us waver in our mission to help people. The Clinton Foundation has demonstrably improved the lives of millions of people across America and around the world while earning top ratings from charity watchdog groups in the process. There are real issues in our society needing attention that the Clinton Foundation works hard to solve every day. So we're going to stay focused on what really matters.”

  Score (out of 100) Rating
Overall Score & Rating 93.91
  Financial 95.00
  Accountability & Transparency 93.00
REPORTED RESULTS
TOTAL IN 2016
Number of farmers benefitting from access to improved agricultural practices, increased yields, and enhanced market access?
162,170
Number of girls and women provided access to job skills training and livelihood support?
74,130
Number of schools working with the Alliance for a Healthier Generation to build healthier environments for students through increasing access to healthier foods and physical activity?
35,000
Number of trees and tree seedlings planted?
8,500,000
...
You really need to stop beating that dead horse. The Clinton Foundation is considered one of the best in the country. Nice try though. The cons keep screaming, "witch hunt!!!!", well, here is proof that it's not the left that is engaging in "witch hunts". 
 
 
lennylynx
12  lennylynx    5 months ago

Drain the swamp, drain the swamp, drain the swamp...

 
 
MUVA
12.1  MUVA  replied to  lennylynx @12    5 months ago

It will never happen people that town the party line only care when their party is not in power. In the past starting with Bush I wanted something done about the waste in presidential and congressional travel it has become a joke Trump seems to be a big abuser.Now I will get a graph from some democrat showing me that Obama only spent 25 dollars the whole time he was in office on travel.Then will tell me how it's only republicans.

 
 
lennylynx
12.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  MUVA @12.1    5 months ago

I never told you that in the first place, nor do I think that it's only Republicans.  Donald Trump, however, is BY FAR, the most lawless, corrupt, amoral and dangerous president this country has ever seen.  He has been nothing but a sleazy conman his entire life, and now he's conned his way into the White House by taking advantage of some very stupid people.  The Trump presidency is an absolute horror show the likes of which we have never seen before, and, hopefully, will never see again.  

 
 
livefreeordie
12.1.2  livefreeordie  replied to  lennylynx @12.1.1    5 months ago

Trump has been the best president at reversing the Marxist statism of the Democrats and the Establishment Republicans 

he is truly restoring our country from 100 years of creeping Marxist totalitarian government 

 
 
MrFrost
12.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.2    5 months ago

How can you, as a man of God, support someone that has cheated on all of his wives? 

 
 
lib50
12.1.4  lib50  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.3    5 months ago
How can you, as a man of God, support someone that has cheated on all of his wives?

Nothing Godlike about the religion he describes.  There is absolutely NOTHING moral or righteous about that political ideology, religion is being used as the means to manipulate and control for power.  Total corruption of what the religion tries to portray, but some people will believe it anyway. They are so happy to have their ideology confirmed they don't care about the perversion of actual ethics and integrity.

 
 
Tessylo
12.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.3    5 months ago

Man of god?  Where's the puke emoticon when you need it?

 
 
Trout Giggles
12.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.2    5 months ago
he is truly restoring our country from 100 years of creeping Marxist totalitarian government

Then why is he doing business with China?

 
 
livefreeordie
12.1.7  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.3    5 months ago

I don’t condone his past behavior nor did I vote for him (I vote 3rd party).

but I’d support most of his policies and actions as president because they are swinging the pendulum at least a little from the Marxist fascism of the last 85 years

 
 
livefreeordie
12.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.6    5 months ago

Like all presidents since Nixon

 
 
livefreeordie
12.1.9  livefreeordie  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.6    5 months ago

Like all presidents since Nixon. And how does doing business with China relate to how our government is structured 

 
 
Skrekk
12.1.10  Skrekk  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.9    5 months ago

Sounds like your Glorious Leader is propping up the commies you claim to despise.    Hypocrisy must be very convenient for both you and Trump.

 
 
Raven Wing
12.1.11  Raven Wing  replied to  Skrekk @12.1.10    5 months ago
Hypocrisy must be very convenient for both you and Trump.

Talking out of both sides of their mouth is what the Trump supporters do best. 

 
 
Raven Wing
12.1.12  Raven Wing  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.6    5 months ago
Then why is he doing business with China?

MONEY, honey. Why else? Selling his country to the highest bidder is no problem for Trump and his love of the almighty dollar. And China knows it all too well. They are hanging out money making schemes for Trump like a carrot on a stick, and Trump is falling all over himself following it, and his country be damned. 

 
 
MrFrost
12.1.13  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.7    5 months ago
Marxist fascism

It's weird that you would say that since Trump is a fascist. 

 
 
livefreeordie
12.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.13    5 months ago

You continue to be ignorant of fascism. Fascism is about collectivism. Trump is all about individualism

Where is Trump calling for socialist redistribution of wealth welfare programs

where is Trump call for the Federal Government to seize power given to the states. Where is Trump calling for unionization of workers?

That is what Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, LBJ, Nixon, and Herr Obama did

Why Trump is not fascist

"To discuss Trump’s rise and its historical echoes, I called Robert Paxton, a leading authority on the history of fascism. A regular contributor to the New York Review of Books and an expert on Vichy France, Paxton has written numerous bookson European history. 

Paxton:   There are certainly some echoes of fascism, but there are also very profound differences.

Mussolini, particularly, came from the left, and his first program included things like the vote for women, the abolition of a monarchy. It was more his style than the details of the program.

Tell me the ways in which you think Trump is not fascist.

I think there are some powerful differences. To start with, in the area of programs, the fascists offer themselves as a remedy for aggressive individualism, which they believed was the source of the defeat of Germany in World War I, and the decline of Italy, the failure of Italy. World War I, the perceived national decline, they blamed on individualism and their solution was to subject the individual to the interests of the community. Trump, and the Republicans generally, and indeed a great swath of American society have celebrated individualism to the absolute total extreme. Trump’s idea and the Republican plan is to lift the burden of regulation from businesses.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/02/is_donald_trump_a_fascist_an_expert_on_fascism_weighs_in.html

About Professor Paxton

Robert O. Paxton, Mellon Professor Emeritus of Social Science, specializes in the social and political history of Modern Europe, particularly Vichy France during the World War II era. Paxton has worked on two issues within the general area of modern European history: France during the Nazi occupation of 1940-1944; and the rise and spread of fascism

http://history.columbia.edu/faculty/Paxton.html

 
 
Dismayed Patriot
12.1.15  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.14    5 months ago
“Why Trump is not fascist

First, if you have to publish an article claiming your guy isn't what everyone thinks he is, you've already lost the argument, he's exactly what everyone thinks he is.

Second, the expert on fascism they use specifically accepts that "there are echoes of fascism" with Trump.

"Paxton:   There are certainly some echoes of fascism, but there are also very profound differences. Mussolini, particularly, came from the left, and his first program included things like the vote for women, the abolition of a monarchy. It was more his style than the details of the program."

The first difference he lists is total BS. Just because a fascist in the past supported women having a vote doesn't make everyone who fights for equality a fascist as the right wing would have you believe. It the actions taken that define someone a fascist.

Fascism: noun - a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

Where in there does it specify "leftist" ideology? Where does it say fascists support equality? It doesn't. Mussolini was a dictator forcibly suppressing opposition, using aggressive nationalism and racism, Italian pride, to whip up support for his total domination and control over the country.

To claim the "difference" is that Trump doesn't support equality and doesn't come from "the left" so he's not a "leftist" and thus doesn't match Mussolini who had a few "leftist" ideas is like saying Trump has nothing in common with Hitler because he's not a vegetarian.

 
 
MrFrost
12.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.14    5 months ago
You continue to be ignorant of fascism.

I have posted the book definition of fascism MANY times and it's is most certainly a right wing ideology. It says right there in the definition that fascists don't like liberals. Liberalism is the polar opposite of fascism. Only a fascist would attack the free press and threaten the free press. Trump has done both, many times. 

Deal with it. 

 
 
Dulay
12.1.17  Dulay  replied to  livefreeordie @12.1.14    5 months ago

I wonder why you skipped this part of your linked article:

Isaac Chotiner: As a historian of fascism, what do you make of Trump’s rise?

Robert Paxton: Well, it’s astonishing and depressing because he’s totally foreign to any of the skills that are wanted in a president of the United States. What we call him is another matter. There are certainly some echoes of fascism, but there are also very profound differences.

Start with the echoes.

First of all, let me preface it by saying that I’m very, very reluctant to use the word fascism loosely, because it’s almost the most powerful epithet you can use. I guess child molester might be a little more powerful but not much.

Nazi maybe, but that’s just a version of fascism.

It’s the same thing. It’s enormously tempting. Anyway, the echoes you can deal with on two levels. First of all, there are the kinds of themes Trump uses. The use of ethnic stereotypes and exploitation of fear of foreigners is directly out of a fascist’s recipe book. “Making the country great again” sounds exactly like the fascist movements. Concern about national decline, that was one of the most prominent emotional states evoked in fascist discourse, and Trump is using that full-blast, quite illegitimately, because the country isn’t in serious decline, but he’s able to persuade them that it is. That is a fascist stroke. An aggressive foreign policy to arrest the supposed decline. That’s another one. Then, there’s a second level, which is a level of style and technique. He even looks like Mussolini in the way he sticks his lower jaw out, and also the bluster, the skill at sensing the mood of the crowd, the skillful use of media.

I read an absolutely astonishing account of Trump arriving for a political speech, somewhere out West I think, and his audience was gathered in an airplane hangar, and he landed his plane at the field and taxied up to the hangar and got out. That is exactly what they did in 1932 for Hitler’s first election victory. No one had ever seen a candidate arrive by plane before; it was absolutely dazzling, the impression given, the decisiveness of power, of authority, of modernity. I suppose it was accidental, but wow, that is an almost letter-perfect replay of a Hitler election tactic. And the capacity of Trump to enlist working-class voters against the left is exactly what Hitler and Mussolini were able to do. There are definitely echoes

Your link supports the concept of Trump's fascism much more than it refutes it. But hey, it's the best you could do. 

 
 
MrFrost
12.1.18  MrFrost  replied to  Dulay @12.1.17    5 months ago

Some slightly dated information but absolutely spot on.

Twelve Warning Signs That Donald Trump May Be A Fascist

#1 – Unifying Your Supporters Behind Those You Perceive To Be Enemies

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, liberals/ progressives, the media, Muslims, Mexicans… Trump seems to have more enemies than he has friends, and his supporters hate (not to be confused with “dislike”) those that Trump declares as enemies of his “movement.”

#2 – Xenophobia As A Foreign Doctrine

Fascists tend to be extremely xenophobic. They don’t like “outsiders” or those with cultural differences they aren’t personally keen on. Trump’s attempted Muslim ban through executive fiat fits this description aptly.

#3 – Declaring War On The Free Press Because They Call You On Your Bullshit

Trump’s recent ban on media outlets he perceives to be “fake news,” without any supporting evidence of course, is easily one of the most fascist things his administration has done in the very short time Trump has been in office. Attempting to discredit large groups of journalists and press agencies that report openly and honestly on your dealings is textbook fascism at its worst.

#4 – Extreme Narcissism And Megalomania

Trump, who suffers from extreme delusions of grandeur, flagrantly labels himself as “the best,” “the smartest,” and other egocentric titles on a daily, if not hourly, basis. Trump also believes most of the country is behind him, despite polling data showing that a sizable majority of Americans are actually opposed to him.

#5 – Dismissing Human Rights And Civil Liberties

The Muslim ban, the proposed wall, the grotesque repeal of transgender rights… these are most likely the early warning signs of far worse human rights and civil liberty violations to come.

#6 – Obsession With National Security

Fascists tend to obsess themselves with national security in ways most other world leaders do not, revolving much of their legislative and executive actions around the idea that the country and its borders need to be closed to outsiders. Initiating bans and wanting to surround the country with huge walls to keep brown people at bay? Yeah… let’s add that one to the fascism checklist, shall we?

#7 – Touting Your Own Collection Of “Facts” To Counter Universally-Accepted Ones

Remember Kellyanne Conway’s famous (and hilarious) “alternative facts” gaffe? ‘Nuff said.

#8 – Openly Friendly Toward Other Dictators

We all know that Donald Trump has a serious bromance going on with Vladimir Putin. Trump better hope his phone never gets hacked, because I’m at least 90% sure he’s texted Putin and 3 am and asked “you up?” I was going to work in a “brojob” joke there but I didn’t want to be responsible for the ensuing terrible images that would go through your minds.

#9 – Cronyism And Corruption Run Amok

Fascist regimes tend to witness a lot of cronyism and corruption. One look at Trump’s initial cabinet picks should be all the evidence anyone needs that his administration has a serious problem on this front.

#10 – Extreme Sexism And Homophobia

Fascists tend to dictate to others what constitutes social norms. Trump’s war on transgender citizens, Vice President Mike Pence’s support of gay conversion therapy and general homophobia… his administration isn’t earning support from the LGBT community any time soon. And don’t even get me started on the sexism. Trump’s “grab her by the p–y” remark is amongst the most heinous things I’ve ever heard a presidential candidate say.

#11 – Vindictive Personality; Holds A Grudge And Likes To Exact Revenge

Trump can get very litigious and seems to enjoy suing those who criticize him or make jokes at his expense. Bill Maher learned this the hard way in 2013 after making a joke in which he referred to Trump as an Orangutan. Trump rather hilariously sued Maher, waving around his birth certificate in a court room as evidence that no, he isn’t an ape. Fucking. Hilarious.

#12 – Obsessed With Crime And Punishment

Fascist leaders tend to be obsessed with punishment, however extreme, as a means of deterrence, and Trump? He’s certainly likeminded. Trump openly endorsed waterboarding and other forms of torture on the campaign trail. He once proposed we should kill the families of terrorists to convince said terrorists to surrender. And Trump can’t stop talking about Chicago and how the city needs to be cleansed.

http://reverbpress.com/politics/satire-politics/is-donald-trump-really-a-fascist-here-are-12-warning-signs-that-will-leave-you-fuhrerious/

 
 
321steve
12.1.19  321steve  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.18    5 months ago

Good list of 12 things for trump followers to definitely ignore. 

 
 
Raven Wing
12.2  Raven Wing  replied to  lennylynx @12    5 months ago

Trump is the swamp. 

 
 
Tessylo
12.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Raven Wing @12.2    5 months ago
'Trump is the swamp.'

He's a fetid cesspole of liquid diarrhea.  

 
 
livefreeordie
12.3  livefreeordie  replied to  lennylynx @12    5 months ago

The swamp consists of the career bureaucrats and politicians who are addicted to power to control the people

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of power. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."

 -- Daniel Webster, speech at Niblo’s Saloon, New York, March 15, 1837

 
 
Explorerdog
12.3.1  Explorerdog  replied to  livefreeordie @12.3    5 months ago

Thhen there is the new breed of swamp dwellers that are simply egotistically driven people that have a singular goal of destroying the very institutions that have separated us from third world despots that care nothing for the quality of our water, air, education or protecting the Constitution which is an obstacle to their desires. 

 
 
livefreeordie
12.3.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Explorerdog @12.3.1    5 months ago

Wrong. As a Constitutionalist and minarchist, I want the Federal Government to return to following the Constitution 

like most statist collectivists, you think only by surrendering our liberties and individualism to to the collective good of the state can society progress and satisfy societal needs

Frederic Bastiat correctly refuted this false accusation by you Socialists in his famous Treatise, The Law in 1850

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain"

 
 
321steve
12.3.3  321steve  replied to  livefreeordie @12.3.2    5 months ago

Take America back to a time where states were more important than the federal government and watch America fail. 

States that "do good" would be overran by residents form states that did shit. Bringing them down as well. 

I have had to relocate more than once already because of poorly ran states that don't offer what I needed in life. Do away with the fed and watch America fall into chaos. 

 
 
livefreeordie
12.3.4  livefreeordie  replied to  321steve @12.3.3    5 months ago

What you cite is exactly why we were formed as a republic of sovereign states.  I have moved to Arizona where open carry is legal and where I don’t have to live under the Marxist totalitarianism of Kalifornia

 
 
321steve
12.3.5  321steve  replied to  livefreeordie @12.3.4    5 months ago
why we were formed as a republic of sovereign states.  I have moved to Arizona where open carry is legal and where I don’t have to live under the Marxist totalitarianism of Kalifornia

IF that is the main reason you moved to a different state I'd say you really wanted to carry a gun.

When I was forced to relocate it was for reasons of education, the economy and employment. The state government had not done their job and ran a productive efficient state where both could flourish as other states had done so I needed to relocate to a state that had to move my life forward. 

As I see it the advantages of a uniform governmental laws and country outweighs the disadvantages of a devided America with different state laws and rules and standard of living with all the states left up to their own devices.

Some states cant seem to get their shit together without outside oversight. Some do fine, but soon get invaded by people form surrounding states that do suck pulling them down as well. 

United we stand, devided we fall. 

 
 
Krishna
12.4  Krishna  replied to  lennylynx @12    5 months ago
Drain the swamp, drain the swamp, drain the swamp...

And then... LOCK HIM UP!

 
 
Krishna
13  Krishna    5 months ago

Trump is keeping his campaign promises-- he's working hard to save jobs!

Trump is going to make China Great Again!

His exact words:

"Too many jobs in China lost. Commerce Department has been instructed to get it done!" Trump wrote in a tweet Sunday. 

(Perhaps he thinks that unfair U.S. trade policies are hurting Chinese jobs-- and he wants to change that? thinking)

 
 
Skrekk
13.1  Skrekk  replied to  Krishna @13    5 months ago

He also has a rather "flexible" view of how important his sanctions against Iran are given that he's about to waive those rules for a specific foreign company just because some jobs might be lost somewhere.

My guess is that the $500 million Chinese bribe was a bigger factor anyway.

 
 
freepress
14  freepress    5 months ago

The Trump family has to appease the Chinese to make sure baby Ivanka gets all those trademarks and clothing & shoe sweatshops at the lowest possible prices.

The Trump family is a global empire and they are finally taking off the mask and showing everyone who they really support. They support their own global interests first.

They lie and say "America First" when all they actually do is put any country first as long as they see a dollar sign.

 
 
Explorerdog
14.1  Explorerdog  replied to  freepress @14    5 months ago
The Trump family has to appease the Chinese to make sure baby Ivanka gets all those trademarks and clothing & shoe sweatshops at the lowest possible prices.

she did get the exemption on tariffs!

 
 
Tacos!
15  Tacos!    5 months ago

I see no reason why there can't be some congressional oversight on a thing like this. However, until specific facts indicate something improper, it's a disservice to the country to paint the events as corrupt or criminal. Unfortunately, there is no level of speculation that today's media won't happily report as fact.

 
 
lib50
15.1  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @15    5 months ago

Punkin, did you forget Benghazi?  Look it up.

 
 
Fireryone
15.2  Fireryone  replied to  Tacos! @15    5 months ago
I see no reason why there can't be some congressional oversight on a thing like this.

There is supposed to be.  Until there is any indication that there will be oversight from congress, I'm fine with the reports. 

 
 
Explorerdog
15.3  Explorerdog  replied to  Tacos! @15    5 months ago

And Fox will report if they mention it at all as being fake news.

 
 
TᵢG
16  TᵢG    5 months ago

(test)

 
 
nightwalker
17  nightwalker    5 months ago

Oh I don't know, where is your sense of oligarchy? Doesn't it tug at your hearts when you hear the words "money is all" or "Capitalism is the bestest government?" I just don't know what's the matter with some people, I swear.

Why shouldn't trump be allowed to control his own business and why not let him combine his business with the U.S. and run them both as his personal business, for personal profit. Privatizing is the most wonderful thing. Wow, it sure gives him a nice edge to have U.S. production and armed forces and tariffs to use for a little extra leverage, eh what? He can "deal" away lots of the U.S. resources, it won't affect his profits and that's all that matters.

/S

Laugh

'Course, trump is just a front man, he has his master$ (second hint: not the voters) and as long as his plans don't interfere with their plans and he immediately follows orders it's all green. If he forgets his place they'll send someone around like the NRA did and straighten his a$$ out on who's really running that part of the show. Or threaten to sue him like Mercer, trump's first rule is NEVER return money.

OK, just kidding, that's his second rule his first rule is "It's all for and about me" and some other rules are "I'm so funny" and "fraud, lying, and any form of cheating are not illegal" and the ever famous "why tell the truth when lies are so much more effective?"

 
 
Thrawn 31
18  Thrawn 31    5 months ago
“Too many jobs in China lost.

That is honestly my favorite part about the whole thing. MCGA!

 
 
Dulay
18.1  Dulay  replied to  Thrawn 31 @18    5 months ago

And the irony is that the Trump supporters didn't even blink! 

Ya, that's the ticket! That's why we voted for Trump. More jobs for China! 

There is NO BOTTOM for these people. 

 
 
NORMAN-D
18.1.1  NORMAN-D  replied to  Dulay @18.1    5 months ago
Ya, that's the ticket! That's why we voted for Trump. More jobs for China!

Buy a newspaper.....Jobs in America are flooding in, and Black unemployment is at a historic low. 
Spin that one...And for God's sake, dont credit Bammy. 

 
 
MrFrost
18.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    5 months ago
Buy a newspaper.....Jobs in America are flooding in, and Black unemployment is at a historic low.

It's been dropping since 2010, Obama did that, not drumpf. 

 
 
MrFrost
18.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    5 months ago
Bammy.

It's sad really... Obama was in office for 8 years and you still can't spell his name. 

#sad

#deplorable

 
 
Dulay
18.1.4  Dulay  replied to  NORMAN-D @18.1.1    5 months ago
Buy a newspaper.....Jobs in America are flooding in, and Black unemployment is at a historic low.

I'm sure that you think that made some ethereal point. It didn't.

The seed is about Trump acting against U.S national security by intervening with a Federal agency in favor of a CHINESE company that has been violating international sanctions. Address THAT. 

 
 
NORMAN-D
19  NORMAN-D    5 months ago

BREAKING:

Beijing Has Agreed To ‘Substantially Reduce’ America’s Trade Deficit With China

RYAN PICKRELL
China/Asia Pacific Reporter
3:56 PM 05/19/2018

The U.S. and China have finally reached an agreement on trade, defusing rising trade war tensions, White House officials announced Saturday.

Following two days of bilateral consultations on trade, representatives from Washington and Beijingreached a consensuson trade, with the latter agreeing to take “effective measures to substantially reduce the United States trade deficit in goods with China,” a joint statement explained.

An increase in exports to China would “meet the growing consumption needs of the Chinese people and the need for high-quality economic development,” as well as “help support growth and employment in the United States,” according to the statement.

In particular, China intends to import more agricultural and energy products from the U.S. The representative from Beijing agreed to work with the U.S. government to ensure the protection of intellectual property rights.

“Both sides agreed to encourage two-way investment and to strive to create a fair, level playing field for competition,” according to the joint statement.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/05/19/beijing-to-reduce-american-trade-deficit/

download.jpeg

DonaldTrumpXiJinpingChinaBeijinge1524237766765.jpg

 
 
MrFrost
19.1  MrFrost  replied to  NORMAN-D @19    5 months ago

Weird... dRUMPF himself said that China increased trade with NK by 40% since dRUMPF took office. Winning!!!!!! dRUMPF has been played by every world leader, he is stupid. He is playing checkers and everyone else is playing chess. 

 
 
Raven Wing
19.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  MrFrost @19.1    5 months ago
He is playing checkers and everyone else is playing chess.

Does he even know how to play checkers? Bill Gates had to educate Trump in the difference between HIV and HPV. So chess may be a bit more complicated than that for Trump. thinking  $%^)@%(^

 
 
321steve
19.1.2  321steve  replied to  MrFrost @19.1    5 months ago
He is playing checkers and everyone else is playing chess.

I see it more as trump is playing HIS game at this point and everyone else is pretty much forced to go along.

insults. grandiose promises intimidation and threats , trumps tools.

What a magnificent leader of men.......LOL LOL LOL  sarc !

O and what a fantastic role model for our children...lol  sic

 
 
Dulay
19.2  Dulay  replied to  NORMAN-D @19    5 months ago

China Rejects U.S. Target for Narrowing Trade Gap

Updated May 19, 2018 4:38 p.m. ET
Beijing officials offer to step up purchases, but refuse to commit to Trump administration’s specific $200 billion cut from bilateral deficit

The two days of deliberations in Washington ended with both sides arguing all night on Friday over what to say in a joint statement, people briefed on the matter said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-rejects-u-s-target-for-narrowing-trade-gap-1526756661

I guess the WSJ didn't get the memo...

 
 
Loading...
Loading...

Who is online

It Is ME
Sparty On
Misty Mountain
321steve
Phoenyx13
Ed-NavDoc
Dismayed Patriot
Dulay
Dean Moriarty
Tacos!

PJ
arkpdx
zuksam


54 visitors