A Prime Time Address and the National Emergency
President Trump will address the nation Tuesday night from the oval office at 9PM. Later in the week he will visit the southern border. The President will put forth his case to the American people in a format once used by the great Ronald Reagan. This will be President Trump's first national address from the Oval Office. The stakes couldn't be much higher. Very little has been done by congress to fix the nation's immigration problem. It has been a problem on the southern border since the 1980's. There is no way for this President to negotiate with democrats who have dug in on the symbolic promise candidate Trump once made the centerpiece of his campaign.
So with the government shut down and no real motivation to end the stalemate, the President goes to the American people. Do I think he tries to persuade the American public to pressure their congressmen to take up the issue they dread? He may do that, but he knows that even that won't get congress to actually address a problem that leaves little benefit to politicians. Therefore, I expect that the President will declare the border crisis a national emergency. Other Presidents have had to take that path. George W Bush had to do it with 9/11 & Katrina. Truman failed in his attempt to invoke it during the steel strike during the Korean War. FDR used it to segregate Japanese on the west coast after Pearl Harbor was attacked. If Trump does it, it will be challenged and most likely in the 9th Circuit Court.
Eventually it would be a question for the SCOTUS. In the end if we find the President has the right to build his wall it will be a monumental victory for President Trump and the United States. If it turns out that the President dosen't have that right, for whatever reason, it is still a personal victory. Trump would have demonstrated his commitment to his promise and to those who voted for him.
He would have fought gallantly against the hard left's obstruction.
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What's the national emergency?
'He would have fought gallantly against the hard left's obstruction.'
How has the left obstructed this 'president'?
why should I have to help pay for trump and his xenophobic supporters useless wall when it was his financial supporters that invited these people to cross the border by giving them jobs to game the system in the first place? if trump wants a national monument to his stupidity, let the corporate fucks that hire illegal immigrants, instead of Americans, pay for it.
Let's fine all the people who hire illegals and use that money to build a wall/fence
that and issue them an orange jumpsuit and a tiny jar of vaseline. let their punishment fit their crimes against American taxpayers.
filled jar contains flypaper and sand
And habaneros. The gift that keeps on giving.
He had the nerve to say today that he can relate to those workers who are now without paychecks because of his wall. To Trump, roughing it means having to use 2 ply TP instead of 4 ply.
I am going to keep this short and sweet.
"The border" is a metaphor for protecting a white nation, that is slipping away over time.
Trump uses the issue to create and protect his personal political popularity. Without the white nation behind him he would be less than the clueless idiot he is, he would be a clueless idiot without any political support.
Are there more illegal immigrants in the US than there were 10 years ago? This graph shows the number of illegal immigrants in the US, by year.
Was Donald Trump calling for the building of a border wall in 2007 , when illegal immigration peaked? I don't remember it. Did he call for such a wall in 2011? That might have been more useful than his insane birther conspiracy nonsense, but I don't recall him doing so then either.
It is after Trump decided to run for president as the candidate of white grievance that his dream of a "wall" was spoken to inflame his audiences.
What is this "emergency" ? Has his homeland security been so incompetent during his two years in office that the number has spiked back up during his term past even the 2007 figure? He has told everyone he was doing a fantastic job , and has even said that much of the wall has already been built.
What is this "emergency" that requires the shutting down of the United States government and requires an emergency speech to the nation?
How many lies will Trump recite during his 10 or 15 minute speech? Keep it to a manageable figure please.
I defy you to come to the border area where I live and spout what you just did above and see how far you get and how long you last! Must be nice to sit somewhere far away from the realities of what goes on down here on the border while being spoonfed the CRAP that the liberal media vomits out! Pathetic. And by the way, you neglected to mention the source of your graph info...
Were you calling for a wall in 2007?
In actuality, yes. I have always been in favor of a more solid barrier/wall than what is currently in place. The majority of people in my immediate vicinity are, and the majority like myself are of Hispanic heritage.
Will you have to give up property to eminent domain for the wall ? Just curious.
Will you Pat?
I won't have to because it will not come to that. That is only fear mongering by the liberal left...
Could have sworn that this whole immigrant scare is Trump fear mongering. [Removed]
Some people will lose land to eminent domain, maybe not you, but some will.
Yes I supported the Border Fence Act and still believe it to be one of the nation’s highest priorities
if not send the military permanently to the border or we citizen militia will go there and take care of it
Great idea. You go down there and "take care of it".
Go for it! Bring all your fellow militia men with you!
How ridiculous.
they'll probably be too busy molesting the kids that cross over to do much shooting
Go for it. It clearly isn't really that important to Trump, since he's refusing to pay the Border Patrol agents. They're forced to work without pay. Before long, many of them will quit and get jobs that actually pay them.
Already organized and ready to go a front team of hundreds of citizen militia has already gone down to the border to join with ranchers to defend their property and our border
make sure there's a few go-pros around. already watched most of the youtube videos of gun nuts accidentally shooting themselves and each other. putting some xenophobe and crusader border vigilante videos in that mix might add a little fresh humor.
1) The newcomers over the southern border are mostly white.
2) There is no white nation. Whites don't vote as a bloc. Those who use identity politics encourage minority bloc voting and division
3) The emergency is what liberals have caused open borders and the surge of illegal immigration, the drug epidemic and social unrest.
Mine was shorter & sweeter
Please explain HOW 'liberals have caused' all of that. Please be specific.
lol
He can't because it's all bullshit
i like door # 3 the best
Hey Vic, the main reason immigrants come here, is for employment oppurtunities and a safer place to live and grow for their families.
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If there were sufficient deterrent to make it not worth the risk as the penalties would be so severe, that the employers of illegals, such as Trumps NJ golf resort, would not find the risk to be worth the reward' no stinkin wall would be needed
Demz and Pubs both guilty of allowing illegals in, as corporations and about everyone, want cheap labor for unskilled jobs, and skilled as well.
Of course there are some that come and play our system for the handouts, but they are a small percentage.
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this is official BULLSHIPPPP
Bullshit!
We average roughly a million LEGAL immigrants each year. The majority are Hispanic, Asian and Black. Why would a "white nation" be doing that?
Your argument is not supported by factual data John. Why do you keep pushing lies and half truths?
Trumpp has already achieved as much
Where have I heard this before? "Hey Mr. XXXX, Tear down that wall."
After all, what's the purpose of requiring LEGAL immigration?
Open the fucking doors to every Trojan Horse that can exist. After all, don't we all have our guns to protect us?
That's interesting....the wall to keep people in vs the wall to keep people out. In Ancient times the Roman Empire had the same problem. They conquered, then civilized & cultivated. In the end it was all about keeping the barbarian hordes out. Today there is a different kind of migration from the third world to the first world. It will get worse.
Interesting that you'd use that analogy. Seems to me that history proves that even that border wall system didn't keep people from crossing...
Crisis?
The real crisi is the Trump's government shutdown which means smany gov't employees aren't getting paid. Others are out of work for the duration. Some won't be able to pay their mortgage.Those security checks at airports? Many TSA workers have called in sick because they're not getting paid. And that's going to become a real crisis!
Anyway the crisi that Trump is trying to get us to believe is nonsense. Here are the facts about this alleged sudden "Crisis":
There’s no immigration crisis, and these charts prove it
The humanitarian crisis involving immigrant children at the U.S.-Mexico border has, among other things, laid bare a number of falsehoods driving much of the Trump administration's immigration agenda.
The administration has said that the country is in danger of being “ overwhelmed ” by “ massive increases in illegal crossings ” that will bring “ horrible crime ,” “ unbelievably great taxpayer expense ” and the loss of American jobs .
None of those claims are true.
Below, we've compiled some of Wonkblog's coverage highlighting the latest data and research shedding light on erroneous beliefs about immigration in the United States.
(Read it all).
And where are the democrats on that?
Where have you been Vic? The House passed 2 bills on the first day of this session to reopen the government. Both bills were VERBATUM the bills that the GOP passed just days before, by huge margins, one by voice vote.
Any more questions?
Lol, the two bills that leave out wall funding? The two bills that Trump won't sign? The two bills that McConnell won't take up for a vote?
That's called a political strategy and it failed
The Senate already passed funding the government with legislation that doesn't contain funding for the wall.
The democrats won’t spend one dollar on protecting the American border with a Barrier, , but just voted to spend an additional 12 billion in foreign aid.
no secret where their priorities lie.
For a quarter of what they are giving away to foreigners (above and beyond what was requested) , they could end the shutdown and save American lives.
Laugh all you want, the GOP WROTE the fucking things...
Since WHEN has that stopped the Congress from passing legislation? It sure a hell didn't stop them from passing Obamacare repeal ad nauseam while Obama was in office.
Now you're FINALLY starting to place 'blame' where it actually belongs.
Actually, passing bills is the job of Congress, a co-equal branch of the Government.
Link?
Why should democrats approve spending billions for a wall when Trump said Mexico would pay for it?
Don't hold your breath, the only $12 Billion they voted on was the farm bailout because of Trump's major fuck up on agricultural trade.
its ok
trump says he can feel their pain
It takes TWO to negotiate. Trump is the one that's 'dug in' because he painted himself into a corner he can't get himself out of by slinging more bullshit.
Perhaps you can explain why Trump refused to accept 1.6 BILLION for his WALL when that is the amount he asked for in his 2019 budget.
Trump has brought the issue to a head. The issue now is securing the border.
Perhaps you can explain why Trump refused to accept 1.6 BILLION for his WALL when that is the amount he asked for in his 2019 budget.
That was for a "wall" or border security?
"House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer said Tuesday that border wall funding remains the principle unresolved item in year-end spending negotiations and suggested that $1.6 billion is an agreeable figure for border security so long as the language does not require it to be spent on the wall."
Perhaps you can tell me why democrats are against the "wall"? Most already know, but I'd love to hear your explanation. Be specific
What is the emergency? There are no more illegal immigrants than there were 10 years ago.
"Social unrest?" you've got to be kidding.
A fucking wall will NOT solve the fucking problem so why in the fucking hell should we waste billions on something that will NOT be a deterrent.
Orange conman traitor in chief is dug in because he wants his wall, he is acting like a toddler having a temper tantrum. He is NOT getting his wall.
It's a smoke screen so the orange shit stain in the white house can save face, he is NOT getting his wall
1) drugs
2) human trafficking
3) the flow illegal migration with children
4) the approx 20 million living here illegally
5) Most important of all - The inaction & gridlock in congress on this issue since the late 80's
Says who?
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Globalists, at least that's what I read on the Interweb's.
Something that has been going on for 30 years is not an emergency.
The drugs come in "legally" past guarded checkpoints.
While human trafficking is a despicable occurrence and serious criminal activity, it is not a national emergency.
In terms of those who have been living here illegally for years, those who have clean records need to be granted permanent status.
I am more interested in having those who come here from elsewhere understand they need to adopt an American viewpoint than I am trying to send back people who have been here for a long time.
We need immigration reform, and border security, but "the wall" is a racial play. Always has been since trump came up with it.
lol. Sounds like a coc violation to me.
I very much agree with that. Unfortunately, although the long-time citizens of European countries such as France, Germany, Belgium, Holland and England and Sweden would have liked that as well, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO HAPPEN. I don't think the long-time citizens realized what was GOING to happen, and I feel pity for those in North America who don't think it will happen there.
Ooookay, we know who you are now.
For his 'WALL'.
From your link:
So the 1.6 BILLION that the GOP Chaired committee reported out is strictly for border fencing. The bill in question, which BTFW McConnell NEVER brought to the floor, has many more BILLION designated for other functions of 'border security'.
Oh and Ryan and the GOP House failed to get 7 out of 12 appropriation bills and then punted at the last minute on the way out of the door...
Which can easily be passed THOUGH Trump's 'steel slats'.
I'd love to see some data on how Trump's WALL will curtail human trafficking. Got any?
Then let them come through the port of entry.
Trump's WALL and shutdown addresses that how exactly?
Something that you admit has been ongoing for almost 4 decades is an emergency how Vic?
Sounds like Vic wants to see a lot of dead people...
Ya, disgusting.
Stay classy.
Trump's just jealous that the Chinese have a yuuuger wall than he does.
Fuck yeah! Oops, I got caught up in the moment.
Here's one:
IMHO, most of those that come here have ALREADY adopted an 'American' POV. They come here because they want a chance at the 'American dream'. I know that my Grandfather did and he achieved it.
Those are good questions to ask the Chief of the CBP. I presume that he thought it through before he made the statement.
Isn't part of the 'American dream' living and raising your family in a safe environment?
Not according to Trump and his minions. They decry a 'caravan' of asylum seekers and then insist that 'illegals' are invading the country.
Here is the kind of ridiculous statements that they put out:
'Slow walking' asylum seekers causes 'vulnerable populations' to cross between ports of entry. It isn't illegal to seek asylum no matter HOW you enter the country.
Only liberal dead people.
Just another keyboard warrior hiding behind a computer.
And the folks arguing that we in a state of emergency don't understand terms like "multi-faceted". It's not as simple as building a wall or a fence.
They always keep it so KKKlassy
Do you?
Then come in thru the legal process rather than jumping thru the border and declare you are looking for asylum. There is a process to immigrate into this country, follow the rules. There is a process that spells out how someone can qualify for asylum. Follow the rules.
One has to first have class before they can try to "stay classy."
Most TRIED to do just that but were sent packing, told to come back tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow. CBP is slow walking asylum seekers, processing a little as 60 a day. While the southern border is NOT a dangerous place on the US side, it sure as hell is on the Mexican side.
Oh and BTW, once they cross the border, WHEREVER they cross the border, they have a RIGHT to seek asylum LEGALLY. Trump is the one who is criminalizing asylum seekers.
Nope.
Over the last week of so, I have read here ad nauseam that the Democrats are being hypocritical because they voted FOR the WALL [actually it is a fence] before but won't vote for it now. Of course they desperately ignore the FACT that Trump was offered 25 BILLION for border security last year and he nixed it AND even though the votes JUST TAKEN include funding for border security.
So, who are 'they' Kathleen.
So I presume that is some small percentage of NV members and NOT any representative portion of the country...
There's no accounting for dipshits Kathleen.
It's far more productive to discuss RELEVANT POV.
We are NEVER going to have a cement wall on our borders and we are NEVER going to have open borders again.
So we should limit the debate to REALITY and admit that there is a HUGE grey area in between where we can come to a compromise.
If it weren't for the fact that Trump is desperately trying to 'save face', it could have gotten done long ago.
The left?
Nonsense
I will by not posting on your seeds. You need to keep your promise not to comment on mine dear
Again, I will do as I please
Sometimes the money you're being told about is not going exactly where they tell you it is.
I give you the Iran/Contra episode for one. CIA dropping off weapons in Panama and picking up cocaine and marijuana in Colombia to bring back, sell, and then declare a war on the drugs they just brought in and getting funding for the war that bought more cocaine.
Or Afghanistan where the president was taking cash payments from us.
The CIA was handing Karzai 10's of millions of dollars to look the other way..
The issue has become that Trump insists on his own facts and no matter how many times he has been proven to have lied, his sycophantic fans swill his bullshit. He's gotten away with it all his life and until WE THE PEOPLE say ENOUGH, he'll keep slinging it.
How do we come to an agreement with a man who lies incessantly, who makes deals and reneges on them, who has no vested interest in anything but himself.
At a certain point, we have to draw the line and demand that Trump does what is right for the country and I doubt that will happen until enough Republicans man up and stand up to him.
Yet without FACTS, we have no basis for making a cogent decision on what WILL work. Trump demands to have his own facts and wants us to let him spend BILLIONS based on bullshit. All merely so he can save face.
Yes, you never really do. A depressing example is "Feed the Children"...they're a financial mess!
Part of the American Dream is to become an American legally.
There I fixed it for you...
Thanks for the pithy comment. /s
"He would have fought gallantly against the left's obstruction." The last line in this op-ed thing.
The Trump also said he, "Would have ran into the school and confronted the shooter." Sure he would.
Besides, it isn't Trump's Wall. The Wall was just a campaign catch phrase to keep the Trump on the message of immigration. And seeing as how the Trump is a 'one trick pony' this is as far as it can ever go. Besides, the Nancy & Chuck Show will give the dolt a way out and the dolt will never know the difference.
As far as the Trump's Oval Office Address tomorrow...…………..we shall see. It might even be canceled by then. And if not...……...the Trump will probably wish it would have been canceled.
No need to worry. The Trump said the majority of those workers not being paid are standing with him and will make adjustments. All is good in Trump/World.
Well, being evicted or having your car repossessed could certainly be considered "making an adjustment".
Trumpism requires 'adjustments' from the faithful.
Republican Congressman Willard Hurd was just re-elected. He represents Texas’s 23rd District which shares an 800 mile border with Mexico. He is against the wall saying in 2017 that it is a "third-century solution to a 21st-century problem" and the "most expensive and least effective way to secure the border." As a member of the 115th Congress, he has voted in line with President Trump's position in 96.6% of votes. So, he is really a Republican, just not a really stupid one.
Trump got tired of caging brown kids, so now he’s trying to starve Americans by stopping as many of their paychecks as he can - regardless of their identity or politics. Trump is nothing but a white collar gang banger. He has no real agenda for improving the country, he’s just out to take your lunch money and demean anyone who doesn’t like it. When this dirtbag President* finally dies, I predict there will be few who lower their flags to half mast - except for those with confederate flags.
This might get flagged as off-topic, or may generate a ton of hate mail.. but what the heck, I've got a twisted sense of humor...
I would like everybody to remember this thread the next time there is a thread on gun control. Because the arguments are basically the same, just switch the sides..
Will the wall solve all the illegal immigration problems? - no
Will the wall stop all drug smuggling? - no
But hey, if it saves one life isn't it worth it?
/s
No, t's not worth it, when there are more viable and cost effective ways to deal with our border issues.
just my opine
Nothing to remember here. Not the same thing at all.
No, the issue is not the same. But a large part of the discussion is. That's why I think the conversation is kind of funny.
Wow, there isn't enough mustard on the planet for that pretzel.
Even Fox News called out Sarah Sanders when she lied and claimed terrorists come in through the Southern border.
yea, Wallace is an actual reporter, not a shill for all things "right"
How about 'we' get the WH shills to stop LYING?
A Prime Time Address and the National Emergency
The only National emergency is the one contrived in Mr. Trump's noggin, His address as His emergency with be nothing more than the lies that both He and His administration have been spewing over the past few months.
Funny thing about the WALL and the BORDER, we have another border to the North that no one seems particularly concerned with, hmmmm.
Those damn Canucks snuck over William Shatner and Jim Carey and almost ruined Hollywood!
Almost Americans have doors and locks on their homes, the country should have the same
Spot on!
How does that work? The wall will have locks on it? Will that keep out the feral cats and the vermin like some posters like to call them?
doors and locks, like walls and fences are part of physical security
do you really want anybody to come into where you live without your permission?
Like feral cats?
San Diego Border Fence works to stop illegals
“Yet this barrier triggered a process of trial and error with border walls that, over the course of 2 1/2 decades, has reduced the number of apprehensions of illegal aliens in San Diego from more than 628,000 in fiscal 1986 to its current number of around 30,000 a year.
Tekae Michael, a San Diego Border Patrol agent, stands in Otay Mesa at the eastern end of the 46-mile-long barrier—which falls almost 15 miles short of covering the 60 miles of border in San Diego. From the south, roosters crow and the occasional shout can be heard from the sprawl of concrete and tin homes in Mexico. To the north, the occasional Border Patrol jeep can be seen in the Otay Mountain Wilderness.
“Before this primary fence was built, migrants were coming north with no fencing, no barrier to stop them,” Michael said, noting that before they began constructing the initial barrier in 1991, people were “driving basically straight on through the border.”
“So this primary fence was built to stop those huge loads of people and narcotics,” she said.
These days, it’s relatively quiet. Michael notes that on this tour of the border wall, it’s unlikely we’ll encounter many people trying to cross illegally—something that would have been a common sight in the 1980s and ’90s.
San Diego was once the primary hub for illegal immigration and drug smuggling from Mexico. When the initial wall was first being erected in 1991, according to Border Patrol statistics, there were 1,132,033 apprehensions of illegal immigrants across the United States—and close to half of those apprehensions were in San Diego.”
feral cats and people that act like them can cause many problems
No worries. Feral cats haven't figured out how to operate door knobs as of yet.
Worry if they ever develop opposable thumbs ..... worry a lot if that ever happens .....
Go grab your guns pastor and defend the border. Please!
I have a cat who reaches up with both paws and tries to turn the doorknob. I will never be able to switch to the lever type of doorknob.
Your cat doesn't need opposable thumbs....she has a brain
She definitely has a brain - if she had opposable thumbs as well, I would be in huge trouble.
Now to get her to understand that when Daylight Savings Time ends, I get to sleep an hour later - and she eats an hour later.
There is no try ..... only do
- Yoda
And my Yoda Girl kitty enforces that opinion here in her home, which she is kind enough to allow me to share with her.
Because that is what jesus would do right? Shoot the feral cats and vermin who dare to want a better life? Right pastor?
Lol, i've only met one cat i didn't like. Crazy vicious Siamese job of a HS girlfriend.
That cat was the definition of batshit crazy
Do you get it? A certain poster likes to refer to immigrants as feral cats. Another poster refers to them as vermin.
A certain poster is agreeing with them
I had one that i had to shut every door you went into if you didn't want her in there with you. She followed you everywhere so she could pretend she wasn't interested and faux ignore you. Had to shut my bedroom door because she liked to sleep on faces, after you went to sleep. Couldn't just snuggle up, had to lay on your face that one ....
So that's one more against a WALL.
you do realize, a determined individual, can always find a way in. Walls and lox, are for honest Jewish people
breaking and entering is a crime. Physical security is first line of defense
Smart people don't make it easy for criminals to pry on them
That’s why we are armed against criminals breaking in to our homes and tyrannical government
So Rump and his supporters shouldn't have any problems should they?
Yep just wrap every border and every beach in concrete, concertina wire, and armed drones. Can't be too safe from 'the other'.
The is a fence around the US Capital building
The is NOT.
oh goody, another prime time fact free partisan tirade from the lying POS/POTUS
I bought popcorn and beer earlier and am just giddy with anticipation of him telling the same lies over and over and over......
Let American ranchers on the border speak to the reality of these invaders
A quote from your link:
"Ranchers down here will tell you they despised the Obama administration, and helped vote Donald Trump into the White House.
Yet a funny thing happens when you ask them about the president’s famous promise of a “tall, powerful, beautiful” border wall.
Almost unanimously, they think it’s bad idea."
I posted ranchers who support the wall. It’s a leftist myth that ranchers want illegals to continue stealing from them, and destroying their property. They sure hate seeing armed coyotes and other smugglers on their property. Most ranchers support the wall.
In your own link, as Jumpdrive pointed out, the ranchers "almost unanimously think it's a bad idea". That is the exact opposite of your claim that "most ranchers support the wall".
"Almost unanimously, they think it’s bad idea."
Ladd, a cowboy who looks like the Marlboro man and runs cattle along 10 miles of border in Cochise County: “Enforce our immigration laws first. Put Border Patrol agents in sight of one another (along the international line). If you have line of sight, you don’t need a wall.”
Manuel Solomon, a 71-year-old caballero, who has just finished castrating and branding calves near Rio Rico: “It won’t really matter. They (immigrants) will still come here. They’ll still climb it or go around it to find jobs.”
Noon, who works a couple cow-calf operations outside Nogales: “A wall is a wall. It’s going to stop some traffic, but they’ll find a way around it. … In the long term? It’s a major waste of money. And it’s kind of ludicrous to think Mexicans will pay for it.”
That's from YOUR OWN LINK. You might want to read it before you link it if you think it's going to support your obviously unfounded opinion.
Sounds like smart folk who deal in reality. Surviving the desert tends to lead to pragmatism.
good article, but as they say in the article.
Sure:
I hope Trump declares a national emergency tonight. Then the next Democratic president can immediately do three things without congressional approval:
I know you're being facetious with that one, but try not to give the poorly educated rubes any more misinformation, they don't understand sarcasm. Virtually the only ones claiming that the "left" want to ban all guns are the right wing nut jobs creating a straw man for their inept morons to attack.
Thank you for recognizing my sarcasm, I know too many won't get it.
Fire up the black helicopters!!
And I'm going to do a quit claim deed on the white house and throw the orange shit stain out on his ass.....
trump is a fucking moron. thankfully his speech only lasted 10 minutes.
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