Attorney releases Video showing the Group that identifies as Hebrew Israelites hurling slurs at the Native Americans

But it didn't fit the "Lefts" ……. "Flavor of the day" !

Nathan Philips lied multiple times. In one instance, he said that he walked toward the students while praying and beating on his drum to "diffuse" the situation. Why would he go toward the students who weren't doing anything instead of "diffusing" the situation by walking toward the Hebrew Israelites who were clearly instigating and yelling racist and despicable things?  Who has Philips actually sided with in all of this?

Nathan Philips lied multiple times.

Amazing how the media treated him with kid gloves.  He's acted dishonestly and despicably throughout this whole occurrence. 

Nick Sandmann hit the lottery at a young age.  Hopefully he and his family surround themselves with the right people to help them manage the situation as I’m sure it won’t be easy.

My guess is very few if any of the libel cases will actually go to court.  There will not be any single big payouts. Rather, there will be numerous smaller sums paid to the Sandmanns out of court  in order to put the matter to rest. If you are a defendant, you’ll want to keep the legal fees and exposure to a minimum.  Some media and individuals tried to destroy this young man.  The intent and malice are clear.

Now the threats to the family and the school are a different story.  People are going to go to jail and lose their jobs.

There are some different camera angles than we have seen before, but I didnt hear any audio that was not in the previous video seeded here.

yes, the Black Hebrews instigated 95% of the problem that day.

OK I am going to say my piece about this story for the last time. I am going to lay this out plainly. 

Fact: The Black Israelites were antagonistic and inciteful. 

The mood at that spot was intense. I will give 90% of the general overall mood and unrest to the Black Israelites. We have enough of them in NYC to know what disgusting pigs and racists they are. 

Fact: The kids were taunted by them.

I am sure they were quite jazzed by the insults being hurled by the Israelites. 

Fact: Only the Indians had a permit to be there. They were there to do what they were doing. 

It is irrelevant to the story if Nathan Philips lied about his service during Vietnam. The events of that day are the only thing that matters. He might have said that he heard stuff that he wasn't actually said or head coming from the Israelites. We know that some of the kids were making the Indian hand chop and that might have influenced the general vibe he was getting from the place and why there were some comments made back and forth between kids and some of the other Indians. That part is unclear. Nathan Philips may have felt threaten or not. He didn't look like he was, but again, we are not in his head. 

Fact: Nathan Philips walked into the fray. His motivations are unknown other than he was the only one who had the right to be there.

Fact: Only Nick Sandman didn't move. His peers did. He smiled. The interpretation of the smile is what is at the crux of this.

I taught my kids to move for adults. The smile.. what did it mean?

My opinion:

It is a smirk and one of defiance. Chin forward, mouth closed, slight turn up of the corners of his mouth. I have seen this grin before from my daughters' peers and from substitute teaching in their school. In my opinion, it is entitled arrogance. My town is so famous for its entitled arrogance, so much so, that there have now been 3 movies and 1 TV show about it, so I am good at IDing it when I see it. I've seen it too much. Also, only entitled kids get PR firms and lawyers to save their asses when they come off looking bad. Take note: The kid smirking in the confrontation on the steps looks a heck of a lot different to the humble child we all saw in the interview. PR coaching does that.

That all being said, the worst thing you could say about the kid (without getting into his head) is that behaved confrontationally and rudely. The fact that this went viral is what caused this whole mess. The kid should have gotten a reprimand from his non-attentive teachers on site and that should have been the end of the story. The fact that it got this blown out of proportion is the ridiculous part. You can thank the internet and the media for that.

I agree with everything you said except when you say Phillips was the only one that had a right to be there.

I don't think you need a permit to visit that plaza.

FACT: The Lincoln Memorial is a PUBLIC building.  The kids had a perfect right to be there. 

FACT: The kids were TOLD to be there by their chaperones until the buses came to pick them up.

FACT: Phillips ignored a clear path to get into the midst of the students, if he was actually trying to get to the Memorial.

FACT: Sandmann gestured to one of his fellow students whom was arguing with someone in Phillips party over history.

This gesture looked like a combination of "Stop arguing" and "Can I get your attention, please".

FACT: Sandmann's gestures to his fellow student WERE NEVER SHOWN on the media.

FACT: The Lincoln Memorial is a PUBLIC building.  The kids had a perfect right to be there.

Fact, they were not allowed to block the stairs as it is a public place. They were doing just that.

FACT: The kids were TOLD to be there by their chaperones until the buses came to pick them up.

That is true, but that was the chaperones mistake. They seem to have made many.

FACT: Sandmann gestured to one of his fellow students whom was arguing with someone in Phillips party over history.

Fact: Neither you or I know what was said. I watched it, too you can not hear anything.

FACT: Sandmann's gestures to his fellow student WERE NEVER SHOWN on the media.

That may or may not be a fact. I have never seen that part of the video before, but it's been weeks since the event, and I am sure other videos came to light.

They weren't blocking the stairs.  Phillips moved towards them IGNORING a clear path.  THAT you can clearly see in the Black Hebrew Israelites video.  Phillips is at fault for creating a confrontation here when he didn't need to.  You cannot deny that. 

By the way, what you call a smirk, I call an uncomfortable, polite smile given to someone whom is getting into your personal space and not giving you any indication of what exactly he is doing.  As they say in the seeded video, Sandmann is on a higher step with kids all around him with no clear path to go in any direction with a guy in his face.  What would you do in such a situation?

Tom, let me get this straight. Phillips is the only one with a permit to be there is wrong because he did a march through a bunch of kids, playing a drum and singing.. and the kid.. who I would agree with the meaning of his smirk if he didn't stick his chin forward..is flawless in this?

Do I have to find citations for body language now?

sheesh. 

Not true, the boys weren't blocking the stairs at all, Phillips had a clear path to the stairs, but went out of his way to harass Sandermann.

Do you know how ridiculous that comment sounds?  Phillips didn't know Sandman from a hole in the wall. You are implying that he singled out one boy and went after him? Come on now. Rewatch the video that BF posted. 

In a target rich environment, you gotta pick one.

20+ years in a classroom tells me that there is always one PITA kid there. You never have to find them. They make themselves known.

Sure, I would think in a group of students that large there's more than one. Still doesn't excuse how the adults involved have attempted to manipulate this story with no regard for the kids or their families. Seriously, known people saying that this kid deserves violence because of his facial expression!!?

My opinion: It is a smirk and one of defiance. Chin forward, mouth closed, slight turn up of the corners of his mouth. I have seen this grin before from my daughters' peers and from substitute teaching in their school. In my opinion, it is entitled arrogance.

I know a tthing or too bout defiance, and this punk should have had a drum stick shoved up his nostril

It is a smirk and one of defiance.

I agree.  That kid's smirk could be seen by a blind guy 2 counties over.  If I had been as disrespectful as he was that day, I would be wearing orthopedic underwear because my Mom's foot would still be up my butt.  

Regarding the Hebrew Israelites, I think most people who have seen the videos would like to give every one of them a smack up-side the head.  

I'm with ya Sister Mary all the way. 

What gets me about this discussion (if you want to call it that) is the worst thing I said was that the kid was an entitled brat. Not that he did anything else wrong. But Yikes.. apparently you can't call a kid an entitled brat. No wonder we have the society we have today. 

Toxic masculinity......right?

I hate buzz terms. Let's just say that there are both men and women who are pretty darn toxic, correct?

apparently you can't call a kid an entitled brat.

Sure you can.  But understand, it says more about you than it does him.

"I hate buzz terms."

I beg your pardon...LOL

Absolutely correct. Forgot the s/ tag, apologies.

But understand, it says more about you than it does him.

Did you ever notice,

that peoples eyes, don't lie very well...

cause , the window to ones soul, has a broken seal, probably due to that perverted Sea Lion, or perhaps, a Killer Whale, that doesn't have a bucket list to compare his too, N F he did, quite appear

apparently you can't call a kid an entitled brat.

Wait until they all get on their high horse about a kid that does something that irritates them....Re: David Hogg....I'll bet nobody here called him an entitled brat/s

apparently you can't call a kid an entitled brat. Wait until they all get on their high horse about a kid that does something that irritates them....Re: David Hogg....I'll bet nobody here called him an entitled brat/s

Good Point. I totally forgot about that. Yeah they all seemed to pile on that kid, just for speaking his mind. 

Not really. As I explained earlier, I live with and taught them.

Wait until they all get on their high horse about a kid that does something that irritates them....Re: David Hogg....I'll bet nobody here called him an entitled brat/s

Likely some did.  But it sure as hell wasn't me.  I can’t imagine what kids go through these days.  School was always a safe place for me growing up.  It was a safe place for my kids growing up......though school shootings were becoming more frequent.  There is a special place in hell for ANYBODY who takes that security away or threatens a school.

ok, cool.  Was waiting for you to weigh in.

I don't recall you being one of those who were irritated by Mr Hogg. You might have been irritated but you were quiet about it.

I had a safe childhood, also so I know what you're talking about

The events of that day are the only thing that matters.

I notice you don't mention Phillip's friend telling Sandmann to go back to Europe as Phillips walked up to him, banging a drum in face and not telling him what he was doing. A "peacemaker" doesn't beat a drum in someone's face without explanation. The combination of the two is aggressive in any situation. Sandmann handled it better than any kid could be expected to.

Also, you completely ignore Phillips lying to the media, that made this a viral story to begin with. Yes, the blame also goes to the media for simply accepting what this liar said without any evidence because it fit their preferred narrative. 

He called the boys "beasts" who were attacking black men. He said they surrounded and threatened him.  Nothing he said he was true, and was specifically designed to create a media firestorm.  

I notice you don't mention Phillip's friend telling Sandmann to go back to Europe as Phillips walked up to him, banging a drum in face and not telling him what he was doing.

Not exactly how it happened. Did you watch the new video? Phillips and Sandmann were already engaged when someone said something to the other Indian (we don't hear that so we can't judge the reaction). 

A "peacemaker" doesn't beat a drum in someone's face without explanation. 

Phillips was marching through. The only one who didn't get out of his way was Sandmann. IDK, I taught my kids to get out of the way of elders. 

Sandmann handled it better than any kid could be expected to.

You mean with his face saying "go ahead old man, punch me.. I dare ya". Yes very well. 

Also, you completely ignore Phillips lying to the media, that made this a viral story to begin with. 

Here, Sean, you've got me. I am not sure what came first, the video or the story. I think the video came first, but yes Phillips made it sound like he thought he was in danger, which I don't buy. And yes the media made a non story into a story, but I said that way up on top, so please don't make it sound that I didn't address this.  

He called the boys "beasts" who were attacking black men. He said they surrounded and threatened him.  Nothing he said he was true, and was specifically designed to create a media firestorm.  

Please find that for me. I never heard that before.

Thanks, Tessy for clarifying that. I went looking for that info and now I understand why.

From Wikipedia:

Black Hebrew Israelites (also called Black Hebrews, African Hebrew Israelites, and Hebrew Israelites) are groups of  Black Americans  who  believe that they are descendants  of the ancient  Israelites . Black Hebrews adhere in varying degrees to the religious beliefs and practices of both  Christianity  and  Judaism . With the exception of a small number of individuals who have formally  converted to Judaism , they are not  recognized as Jews  by the greater Jewish community. Many choose to identify themselves as Hebrew Israelites or Black Hebrews rather than  Jews  in order to indicate their claimed historic connections.

"...they are not  recognized as Jews  by the greater Jewish community."

I assume everyone understands that they are not Jewish.  With very little exception, Jews and Native Americans have always had a good mutual relationship.