Elizabeth Warren Claimed On Her State Bar Of Texas Application Her Race Was ‘American Indian’
Washington Post broke the story yesterday.
She never used the claim for anything.
Although Harvard listed her as Native American
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I assume Rachel Dolezal will be her running mate.
Too bad AOC won't be old enough. She's claimed to have grown up in a low income area as well as being Jewish.
2024, I think.
She can show off her statesmanship talent and maturity like she did last night by dancing in circles while the audience chanted, "USA, USA, USA".
Fresh new bullshit.
Really?
I'm not going to do research for you, so look it up yourself.
Thanks for admitting that it was bullshit. First you wrote above that she claimed to be Jewish but now you've revealed that it was lie by changing the wording to Jewish ancestry. And that's entirely possible. Try looking up the history of Jews in Spain both during the Moorish rule and their fate after it came under Christian domination. Of course, you can always try to prove she doesn't have Jewish ancestry. Good luck with that.
Your comments don't make sense, so as I did on a different seed, I will not longer try to translate your incoherent comments on this one. Go find another member to harass, because I will not take your bait.
IMPASSE.
If you only knew what a ricochet joke that comment is.
I'm not even sure what AOC has to do with this seed
It seems that trumps faux calls for bipartisanship has already sailed.
I think you got the best of someone....anyway.....
Just for shits and grins:
Sephardi Jews , also known as Sephardic Jews or Sephardim ( Hebrew : סְפָרַדִּים , Modern Hebrew: Sefaraddim , Tiberian: Səp̄āraddîm ; also יְהוּדֵי סְפָרַד Ye'hude Sepharad , lit. "The Jews of Spain", Spanish : Judíos sefardíes ), originally from Sepharad, Spain or the Iberian peninsula , are a Jewish ethnic division . They established communities throughout areas of modern Spain and Portugal , where they traditionally resided, evolving what would become their distinctive characteristics and diasporic identity, which they took with them in their exile from Iberia beginning in the late 15th century to North Africa , Anatolia , the Levant , Southeastern and Southern Europe , as well as the Americas , and all other places of their exiled settlement, either alongside pre-existing co-religionists, or alone as the first Jews in new frontiers. Their millennial residence as an open and organised Jewish community in Iberia began to decline with the Reconquista and was brought to an end starting with the Alhambra Decree by Spain's Catholic Monarchs in 1492, and then by the edict of expulsion of Jews and Muslims by Portuguese king Manuel I in 1496, [1] which resulted in a combination of internal and external migrations, mass conversions and executions.
AOC is Puerto Rican. It's plausible that many people of Spanish origin could claim Sephardic Jewish ancestry.
It's their "got nothing, so just randomly lie and smear AOC" gambit.
This is what you call a rich fantasy life. A minuscule DNA percentage. Zero tribal affiliation. No apparent native cultural influence in her life. And features that are about as Northern European as you can get, guaranteeing she will never have been the victim of racial discrimination. And yet she's putting herself down as Native American.
And I don't mean Elizabeth Warren is the one with the rich fantasy life. She's bad enough. It's the Democrats who are still ok with all of this. The ones who are all "oh it's fine, she can identify as whatever she wants and no one should ever criticize her for it."
Oh, so now the tack is going from she lied about having Native American ancestors to she doesn't have enough of that DNA. Never underestimate the rightwing determination to smear then smear again and keep on smearing no matter how much the facts work against them.
Let's just review her actual claims:
So the "dishonesty of unending lies" describes your side, not hers. And, it's been that we since your side started lying about it from the very beginning of this non-story.
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Which is as completely and utterly untrue now as it was when rightwingers attack dogs first started smearing her.
It's no surprise that that's how you would view the facts.
But you are dogged in perpetuating that lie...I'll give that much to you. The only thing she has claimed, and now proved, is that she had distant Native Peoples ancestry.
Wellllllll, she did pass down some family recipes in that AI cookbook. Oh, wait, never mind ... she plagiarized the recipes from the NYT and got caught.
And you can prove that?
Thank you for posting proof of Elizabeth Warren's plagiarized recipes, XD. I was unavailable, and didn't see Atheist's post until a few moments ago.
By now, you should know that I can prove everything I post, even Warren's plagiarized recipes. See the link XD's comment 6.2.2 .
I'll start off by pointing out how desperately petty it is to use one of these ubiquitous recipe books that service groups of all kinds put out by the boxcar loads every year with recipes that have been collected from all over the place--never claiming they're original. Certainly crab dishes are not traditional Native American fare and this is not claimed by Warren or the cookbook's editor.
The source for this is, of course, a rightwing Brit tabloid well known for its vigorous lying about climate change and notorious for its "unreliability" (read: lying):
Even more fun is that, true to form, you didn't bother reading the article you hoped would be a "gotcha" which it is but you're the one it "got:"
That's a pretty big discrepancy even by rightwing "standards." Pretty hard to allege some kind of plagiarism with the much difference but desperate people do really dumbshit things, right? But what about the directions, you whine? Okay, just prove that Warren claimed this was an original recipe and the editor of the recipe book didn't use an established recipe. Should be easy with your crack investigatory skills
Thanks once again for be so eager to fall on your face for your dishonest need to smear a person so much your superior.
In an objective world, this story would be meaningless. So someone exaggerates her ethnicity. Ok, so what? Unless she used it to gain unfair advantage somehow, which is seemingly not the case, who gives a shit. People say I am part this or part that all the time, when they are not or they dont know it they are.
BUT, in this fucked up world, this may very well hurt her chances because the RWNJ will never let her live it down.
What I want to know is when they, or our libertarians and anarchists, are going to give a shit about the outrageous things that Trump has done over the years and in fact does every stinking day?
I seeded an article this morning about an anarchist website urging it's folowers and adherents to libertarianism and right/anarchy to support Trump. And they do.
In an objective world, race wouldn't be a factor in hiring at the University level. But we all know what racial box is checked makes a big difference.
Be honest for a second. You know that's exactly why she started calling herself a Native American for professional purposes right?
The idea that a WASP like Warren just coincidentally started calling herself a minority at the exact same time in her life she would benefit from minority status is too insane to believe, even for the left wing fever swamp. This isn't a person claiming over beers that she has a native American ancestor.
It's amusing watching the same people who demand the government discriminate on the basis of race when hiring, defend WASPs who cheat the system for their own gain as no big deal.
And, yet, not one university admissions official document and none of her employers since then provides any evidence that Warren used her NA heritage to gain admission to university or law school or got her job on that basis. In fact, every one of her former colleagues, including ones that hired her, have categorically denied that they even knew she had that heritage much less used it for any advantage. I know lying is essential to the rightwing smear campaign but it really should stop.
She listed herself as a minority in the national legal directory used for hiring as a minority teacher before she hired by Harvard
Penn advertised her as a minority when she taught there.
Harvard promoted her as a minority faculty member to the public when it was criticized for lacking diversity.
Harvard identified her as a Native American in federal affirmative action documentation.
But gullible people still believe she never used her minority status professionally.
Yes, reportedly in the late 90's after she was hired according to your link, in a conversation with other faculty over lunch.
Harvard's own standards for listing a Native American teacher include genealogical proof and official membership in a tribe, and Warren had neither and did not claim to.
At the University of Texas in the 80's she self reported as white. (That in my estimation would be using race for leverage, it's a two edged sword)
On the May 1986 Texas Bar Association registration she wrote American Indian. She was already admitted to the Bar
and it served no purpose other that a statistic, as noted on the form.
DNA testing was in it's infancy in 1983 and used for the first time in court in 1986.
I think the whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot.
How do you imagine she was listed as a woman of color by the Harvard Woman's Law Journal in 1993? By looking at her?
She was also promoting herself as a minority in the Association of American Law Schools Directory before being hired by Harvard.
arvard's own standards for listing a Native American teacher include genealogical proof and official membership in a trib
Yet they listed her a Native American. weird, huh?
Wow, you are strict. You must REALLY be hard on Trump for all his lies and falsitys.
Oh, not so much? Hmmmmm.
Everyone I grew up with was told they were AI.
It was never important to us, but we still respected what our great grandparents, grandparents, parents aunts and uncles told us.
Couple of years ago, we were DNA tested and guess what? Over 90% UK, later narrowed down 93% and to two villages in Ireland.
Not even a drop of AI blood or DNA.
We communicate with some of the namesakes over there and guess what they believe?
They insist we're all descended from Vikings.....
Also not true.
What Harvard believed and printed in violation of their own standards is Harvard's issue.
It's what someone at Harvard wanted to believe.
So now you are reduced to arguing that Warren is no better than Trump.
Okay, I won't argue that.
By all means though, point out when I simply accepted Trump's word as definitive on any subject despite documentary evidence that contradicts it.
And she never denied/corrected those claims even when she knew they weren't true, which then shows that she used it for her own advancement.
Everyone I grew up with was told they were AI.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's an interesting conversation piece. No one would care at all if this just a matter of family gossip/pride that she'd talk about when it came up.
But we live in a country where, unfortunately, race matters. In academia, there's a huge advantage to being an AI, as opposed to just another WASP. Law schools, like Penn and Harvard, were (and still are) under attack for a lack of biological diversity when she was hired. Even under the most charitable interpretation of her family's oral tradition of an Indian ancestor, by no account was she a even close to a majority AI. Yet, when it was to her professional advantage, she labeled herself as an AI, even though she could only believe herself to have been a tiny percentage AI.
what someone at Harvard wanted to believe.
I agree that Harvard absolutely wanted her to be a Native American. But where did Harvard get the idea that she was?
Doesn't seem to be a basis to prove that, is there?
For centuries, white Europeans judged others by the one drop rule. The British especially, in India and other places. including "the colonies" and the East Indies.
One drop of Indian, Muslim, African or "Jewish" blood, rendered people second class citizens in the eyes of many.
Funny how some have now "evolved" huh?
The claim is that her Great Great Great Grandmother, was Cherokee. So even if that were true, she'd be 1/32 AI. That's a tiny percentage.
And every school that ever admitted her as a student or hired her as a professor has declared firmly that she was not a minority admission or hire. Pick up the mike and try a new tune. That one you've been singing is off-key and sour.
And, yet, it's something when the rightwing attack goons' line has always been that she lied about it altogether which we now have proof that is the lie. Do you think we don't see you moving the goal line (or rubbing it out altogether)?
And, as always it's garbage.
So you embrace cultural appropriation? Sad.
You pervert other people's words. Disgusting.
I think Warren has listened to that Paul Revere and the Raiders song too many times. But never-mind. This is what the Cherokee nation said about it:
That was taken from Cherokee.org
Her attempts to claim American Indian ancestry reeks of self serving motives only and have little to nothing to do with advancing Cherokee Tribal initiatives.
I liken this to Military Stolen Valor. It's pathetic!
It's called a ''box check Indian'' by tribal members.
Unfortunately Warren's case is not that unusual at all. The colleges have the ''box check'' and do not require any proof of said Indian blood. What you'll find is that there are many that are ''box check Indians'' enrolled in colleges through out the US...They are from every political background and nationality.
It has been used by others to become a ''Plastic Shaman''....phonies trying to pass themselves off as tribal medicine men/women and profiting from it. The case a few years back a ''Plastic Shaman'' ended up killing a couple of people and injuring numerous others in a phony ''Sweat Lodge'' ceremony.
Appropriating native identity has been going on for decades. Iron Eyes Cody of the TV commercials on pollution in the 70's and actor claimed to be Indian, usually Cherokee or Cree...He had NO Indian blood in him. He was Italian...
Actors, actresses, professors, politicians, have all claimed Indian blood over the years. Most turn out to be false family history or simply made up claims.
DNA testing doesn't, as Hoskins said, determine tribal connections. DNA cannot distinguish between tribes. Tribal membership differs from tribe to tribe.
If it weren't for the political aspect of this how many of you would actually care about this. Probably none.
BTW, anytime someone states that ''my great great grandmother was Cherokee''....is generally met with a great deal of skepticism by Indians.
It's not only politicians that do this as I stated in my comment above. I have no idea why she did it, nor do I have any idea why numerous others have done the same.
The thing that is interesting to me is that it's become a political football. As stated above if it wasn't political how many non Indians would care...Based on history not many.
I didn't know that.
eXACTLY.!!
People all over the country and all over the world misunderstand or misrepresent their ethnic heritage because in many cases their parents and grandparents and great grandparents have misunderstood it or misrepresented it to the younger generation. It's ridiculous that this particular case has been elevated to this level of handwringing.
Forgive me for repeating this, but it seemed to be appropriate
While that might be true, such is to be expected when choosing such a public life. Their lives get scrutinized to a greater degree. That's the nature of the beast. One rarely bothers with your average John Q Public for anything like this. Or course your average John G Public isn't doing this sort of thing so why bother.
This might have started as an honest case of mistaken identity with Warren but it clearly became a tool she used to advance in a world that favored minority status for her chosen path.
Despicable!
Kavika, I am learning this is more and more true and rightly so.
Although there was a chasm in the family, I saw my grandfather. I have no doubts there. My dad and i eventually began connecting the dots of things he had pushed out of his mind for many years.
My grandmother on that side was always said to have been partial native, and although European in appearance, she had give away facial features.
When I was, maybe summer of 3rd grade I met her mom, my great grandmother. She had definite native features.
Eventually, we came across an old picture of her mom. She was a beautiful Indian maiden. Best guess is my grandmother was "25%" Native.
There is still more to uncover. I must say, I am not too pleased about folks who have advanced themselves based on conjecture and modern day political correctness. Yet, I understand I might be considered a Johnny Come Lately by folks such as yourself who have always been there.
Oh, you mean what Scumbag does every time he takes credit for some military action or swaggers around like a marinet when in fact he was a chickenshit draft-dodging POS*?
*He's still a chickenshit POS, btw.
Furthermore, the fact that Native American DNA cannot be distinguished between those in NA and SA just tells us that all Native Americans on both continents share the same DNA. That she has any of it at all proves that she has been telling the truth all along. And, with all due respect to the Chief, Warren has never, ever, EVER said she has or believes she has a claim on tribal membership.
Reading through the comments, it sounds like a "Lie" is actually acceptable in the Democrat party !
Now..….put some dark makeup on 20 years or so ago, and you should be beheaded !
"Disbar", "Disbar", "Disbar" Pocahontas !
Do you have any idea how little anybody cares what a conservative deems as 'lie' or 'fake'? When you actively believe and promote what a pathological proven liar says, the credibility is out the window. And we aren't laughing.
Warren and the Democrats have been perpetrating Pocahontas's lie waaaaaaay before Trump came into the picture !
So much so that some people can't stop making them, right, BF?
Gotta just love how you people actually use a slur against an historical Native American woman to slur another woman today with Native American heritage. You just can't seem to help yourselves, eh?
Yawn. Warren and the 'Indian Incident'.
Whatever. Still waiting for Trump's Birther proof. And still waiting.
Why is WaPo digging up dirt on fauxcahontas? Are they trying to thin the herd for their favorite candidate?
Maybe they're not as biased as you claim they are?
That would certainly be refreshing
I love it when Warren smearers actually use NA slurs against her.
I think it's hilarious when rightwingers think Warren gives a shit that they wouldn't vote for her. The importance they give themselves with no basis whatsoever is a feature not a bug.