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BREAKING: Trump Administration Slashes $60 Million Dollars from Planned Parenthood

  

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Via:  make-america-great-again  •  6 years ago  •  215 comments

BREAKING: Trump Administration Slashes $60 Million Dollars from Planned Parenthood
“This is the kind of policy change that Millennials, the nation’s largest voting bloc, support. Healthcare dollars should fund real, full-service medical care, not abortion vendors.” – Kristan Hawkins, President of Students for Life of America “We thank President Trump for taking decisive action to disentangle taxpayers from the big abortion industry led by Planned Parenthood.” – Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



Promises made, promises kept.

The Trump administration just announced a large amount of money will be taken away from the abortion giant Planned Parenthood, as promised.

The Department of Health and Human Services announced its final ruling to cut Title X funding from any organization that provides or refers patients for abortions.

Title X is the federal program that provides birth control and other “reproductive services.” This proposal significantly changes that.

So long to $60,000,000 of American tax dollars annually sent to Planned Parenthood.

“Under the previous rules, Title X services and abortions could “co-locate” in the same center, as long as the abortions were privately funded. Now, the money will be redirected to Women’s Qualified Health Centers that are not involved in abortions, which dramatically outnumber Planned Parenthood locations across the United States,”  Live Action reports.

The official press release from (HHS) states:

“The final rule ensures compliance with statutory program integrity provisions governing the program and, in particular, the statutory prohibition on funding programs where abortion is a method of family planning. The final rule amends the Title X regulation, which had not been substantially updated in nearly two decades, and makes notable improvements designed to increase the number of patients served and improve the quality of their care.”

The pro-life community thanks President Trump and his administration for keeping their promise to defund Planned Parenthood:


“This is the kind of policy change that Millennials, the nation’s largest voting bloc, support. Healthcare dollars should fund real, full-service medical care, not abortion vendors.” – Kristan Hawkins, President of Students for Life of America “We thank President Trump for taking decisive action to disentangle taxpayers from the big abortion industry led by Planned Parenthood.” – Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser

This is a major win for the Trump administration, but more importantly innocent babies.


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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“The official press release from (HHS) states:

“The final rule ensures compliance with statutory program integrity provisions governing the program and, in particular, the statutory prohibition on funding programs where abortion is a method of family planning. The final rule amends the Title X regulation, which had not been substantially updated in nearly two decades, and makes notable improvements designed to increase the number of patients served and improve the quality of their care.”

The pro-life community thanks President Trump and his administration for keeping their promise to defund Planned Parenthood:”

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.1  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Where are we going to put all the increased population this will cause?  Will there be good jobs for them? 

Results of this will cost more than $60 million

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    6 years ago

Aren’t those precious babies the President is holding simply beautiful?  I’m glad that they were born. 

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.2.1  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2    6 years ago

They are beautiful and it is wonderful when healthy children are born to  people who want them and can and will raise them to be happy and successful.  That makes me happy and is what Keeps America Great1  When children are not wanted and parents can't or don't want to to take good care of them is what Drags America Down!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @1.2.1    6 years ago

When that happens there are people like me who will adopt them and provide a quality early life for them.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
1.2.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.2    6 years ago

Yes, that's why I'm always seeing ads begging people to become foster parents.  Because there are plenty for all the kids who need a home.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
1.2.4  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.2    6 years ago

That is very good of you, I really mean that and there are not enough willing and able to take unwanted Kids and I don't think there ever will be.

 

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
1.2.5  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.2    6 years ago

How many have you adopted ?

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
1.2.6  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.2    6 years ago

That's just not true, otherwise there wouldn't be a problem with kids in the system with NO FAMILY.  And why are women supposed to be incubators for 9 months whether they want to or can?  Do you think women just live normal lives while pregnant and pop out a baby without losing a beat?  Whatever Trump tries to do with women's choice and Planned Parenthood, there WILL be a fight.  With women.  Especially the young ones who realize what is being lost.  Because its not about life, its not about values, its about controlling women.  And there is NOTHING one can say to mitigate that truth, because we can all see the actions of the same people after birth.  Spare us the fake concern.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
1.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  lib50 @1.2.6    6 years ago

Women outnumber men in this country by 7 million.

Some day men will rue their past history.

 
 
 
katrix
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1.2.8  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.2.2    6 years ago
When that happens there are people like me who will adopt them and provide a quality early life for them

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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @1.2.5    6 years ago

I’ve foster cared over time for 3 who moved back to families and adopted one.  I just resumed contact and plan on adopting a sibling group of 2-3 intact.  When they are older and my son is done with college I intend to do short term foster care for kids to reunify with bio family or later teens to become adults beyond retirement as long as my health allows.  

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
2  katrix    6 years ago

Christian Sharia Law is coming.  These funds will be redirected to faith-based groups who promote idiotic ideas which have been proven to increase pregnancies and STDs - abstinence only, and the rhythm method.  This will also make it harder for women to get referrals for cancer screenings and even basic health care.  The religious fanatics' war on women takes another step forward.

These funds ARE NOT allowed to fund abortion, despite the screeches of the zealots who want big government and want to eliminate people's rights. 

People with sexual hangups should stay out of other people's beds.  And out of our government.

Abortion giant, my ass.  Only 3% of the money PP spends is on abortion - and NONE of that uses tax dollars.

Not getting pregnant is an amazing way of family planning. Get ready for more abortions, folks.  That's what this will lead to.  If you really want to reduce abortions, you support PP, who provides education on birth control, and actual birth control, so that fewer unplanned pregnancies exist.  But for the fundies, women who enjoy sex when it isn't for procreation deserve to be punished.

Another bullshit policy by someone who has never read their Bible.  Song of Songs, anyone?

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1  tomwcraig  replied to  katrix @2    6 years ago
These funds will be redirected to faith-based groups who promote idiotic ideas which have been proven to increase pregnancies and STDs - abstinence only, and the rhythm method. 

Funny, those that actually practice abstinence have the only 100% guarantee to not get STDs or pregnant.  It is those that fail to follow through with their vow to be abstinent that get pregnant or an STD, since abstinence requires a person to NOT DO what they promise NOT TO DO.

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.1  katrix  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1    6 years ago

Of course only people who deny one of the most basic of human drives (I believe it ranks just after food and shelter) won't get pregnant or get STDs.  The point is that abstinence-only sex ed has been proven not only to NOT decrease the number of teens having sex, but to increase teen pregnancy and STDs.

I wasn't even talking about abstinence vows, which are ridiculous.  Sex is a natural drive and attempts to demonize it and make it evil are ridiculous.  Don't even get me started on that incestuous-sounding daddy-daughter marriage thing. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    6 years ago

No doubt that sex is special.  It is a human need for most.  But it is still supposed to be reserved for a marriage relationship between one man and one woman.  Within that relationship one can have all the consenting sexual relations they and their spouse desire together to fulfill their friendship and relationship.  

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
2.1.3  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    6 years ago

No, it is not.  Stop trying to push your sexual hangups onto everyone else.

Ever had a threesome, btw?  Or a little S&M?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    6 years ago
But it is still supposed to be reserved for a marriage relationship between one man and one woman.

You're welcome to live your life by those rules.  Expecting others to live their lives by your religious rules is unamerican.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.6  tomwcraig  replied to  katrix @2.1.1    6 years ago

You have an illogical argument there.  How does the program actually affect the rate of pregnancy and STDs, it DOESN'T.  It teaches people that they should save themselves for someone special.  Just because they might think that someone is special and fail to hold up their end of the promise doesn't mean that they shouldn't face the consequences.  Every time you have sex, you should be prepared for getting STDs or getting someone or becoming pregnant.  Abstinence is not about stopping people having sex completely, it is about waiting to be in a fully committed relationship first.  Just because you want teenage girls to jump into bed immediately on the first date does not mean that they should.  And, frankly, any sort of Abstinence program should be teaching and focusing on the fact people should wait until they are ready for both children and marriage.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.7  sandy-2021492  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.6    6 years ago

It ignores the fact that most people don't practice abstinence until marriage.  And in the case of abstinence-only programs, when kids do what kids are going to do, they haven't been taught how to protect themselves from STIs and pregnancy.

Abstinence is ideal as far as pregnancy and STI prevention.  It is also unrealistic in the long term, so other methods of protection need to be taught.  Also, not every married couple wants to or should have one baby after another, so those same methods can be used after the wedding.

Just because you want teenage girls to jump into bed immediately on the first date does not mean that they should.

Is that a direct quote of katrix's words?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.8  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.6    6 years ago

Teaching abstinence has failed, many times over.

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.10  tomwcraig  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.7    6 years ago

So, you're saying that our history from the Middle Ages to the 1960s was full of everyone having sex just for fun?  You see it wasn't until the 1960s and the "Free Love" movement that having sex out of wedlock was accepted in the culture.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.11  Raven Wing   replied to  Ender @2.1.8    6 years ago
Teaching abstinence has failed, many times over.

Yeah, just ask Bristol Palin how preaching abstinence worked for herself. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago
You see it wasn't until the 1960s and the "Free Love" movement that having sex out of wedlock was accepted in the culture.

And the late 60's at that!

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Ya, the pigs of Woodstock

 
 
 
tomwcraig
Junior Silent
2.1.13  tomwcraig  replied to  Ender @2.1.8    6 years ago

Teaching Driver's Ed has failed many times over.  Kids still drive like maniacs and die in car crashes, yet I don't see you objecting to that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.8    6 years ago
Teaching abstinence has failed, many times over.

The idea of abstinence died when the pill became available

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago
So, you're saying that our history from the Middle Ages to the 1960s was full of everyone having sex just for fun? 

They had sex, sometimes for procreation and sometimes just for fun, and risked pregnancy every time.  Do you think every sexual encounter before the invention of the condom was with the intention of procreation?  BTW - attempts at contraception aren't exactly new - they're thousands of years old.  Effective, safe methods of contraception are new.

And do you seriously think that premarital sex is a new thing?  Not hardly.  It wasn't something one necessarily advertised, but it was far from unheard of.  In the Middle Ages, it was the rule rather than the exception that a nobleman would have a wife and one or more mistresses. 

Generally speaking, for the masses, sex before marriage has been prohibited for women, but men - not so much.

Again, did you quote katrix directly?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.16  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago
Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum has been both exhibited as art and censored as pornography . The Roman cities around the bay of Naples were destroyed by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius in 79 AD , thereby preserving their buildings and artifacts until extensive archaeological excavations began in the 18th century. These digs revealed the cities to be rich in erotic artifacts such as statues, frescoes , and household items decorated with sexual themes. The ubiquity of such imagery and items indicates that the treatment of sexuality in ancient Rome was more relaxed than current Western culture.

Sex has been going on since the beginning of time. Telling people to wait will not stop people.

Making it dirty just pushes it underground.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.17  Ender  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.11    6 years ago

Haha.

How anyone would take abstinence advice from a woman that had several children from different men...

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
2.1.18  lady in black  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago

How many mistresses did Henry VIII have, was he having sex for procreation, I don't think so since the children would be bastards. That's one example of a king, go back in history, most kings had mistresses.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.19  Ender  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.13    6 years ago

Is teaching drivers ed the only way that people learn? I was taught with various methods. Instruction, a simulator and hands on experience. When I was ten my father would let me sit on his lap and drive up and down the driveway.

Teaching abstinence only is just that. Only teaching one way as the correct way. Not teaching all options.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.14    6 years ago
The idea of abstinence died when the pill became available

The idea was never viable to begin with.

 
 
 
lady in black
Professor Silent
2.1.21  lady in black  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago

King Louis XIV had 9 mistresses.

He took a series of mistresses, both official and unofficial. Among the better documented are  Louise de La Vallière  (with whom he had 5 children; 1661–67),  Bonne de Pons d'Heudicourt  (1665),  Catherine Charlotte de Gramont  (1665),  Françoise-Athénaïs, Marquise de Montespan  (with whom he had 7 children; 1667–80),  Anne de Rohan-Chabot  (1669–75),  Claude de Vin des Œillets  (1 child born in 1676),  Isabelle de Ludres  (1675–78), and  Marie Angélique de Scorailles  (1679–81), who died at age 19 in childbirth. Through these liaisons, he produced numerous illegitimate children, most of whom he married to members of  cadet branches  of the  royal family .

So don't hand us that bullshit about sex out of wedlock 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.13    6 years ago
Teaching Driver's Ed has failed many times over.  Kids still drive like maniacs and die in car crashes, yet I don't see you objecting to that.

Lousy analogy.  Teaching abstinence only would be like telling kids that they shouldn't drive, and also neglecting to tell them where the brake pedal is, or to wear their seatbelts, or NOT to drive like maniacs.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.20    6 years ago

The idea of abstinence?  It was to some extent. Iv'e lived to be 67 and I can remember a time when promiscuity was not mainstream. That is really what we are talking about here.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.24  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.23    6 years ago

Do you think that one must be promiscuous to risk an unwanted pregnancy or STI? jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

We really need better sex ed.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
2.1.25  charger 383  replied to  Ender @2.1.8    6 years ago
Teaching abstinence has failed, many times over.

and caused lack of trust and confidence in those teaching it

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.26  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.23    6 years ago

People being prudes and not talking about sex doesn't mean that abstinence was more widespread.

Mae West used sexuality in old films.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  lady in black @2.1.18    6 years ago

Actually, a king having children by a mistress often wasn't a big deal.  They were often well provided for, and given noble titles.  Their last names would often reflect their lineage - "Fitz" was a prefix for non-marital son of a king.  "Fitzwilliam", "Fitzroy", etc.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.28  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.24    6 years ago
Do you think that one must be promiscuous to risk an unwanted pregnancy or STI?

No. Promiscuity is what it is. The pill just made it so much easier

We really need better sex ed.

Oh, ya, now we do

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.29  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @2.1.26    6 years ago
People being prudes and not talking about sex doesn't mean that abstinence was more widespread.

It was. Iv'e lived long enough to see it from all angles. There was always talk about it.

Mae West used sexuality in old films.

Lol, and that was considered exciting way back then!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.30  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.28    6 years ago

The Pill does nothing to prevent STIs.  A good sex ed program would tell you that.

Oh, ya, now we do

We always did.  Or do you think it was a good thing for most of us to be ignorant about an activity in which most of us participate?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.31  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.29    6 years ago
that was considered exciting way back then!

Haha.

Even back in the day sex happened. They use to ship off young women to hide pregnancies and to avoid their so called shame.

Nothing stops it from happening and nothing ever will.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.32  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.30    6 years ago
The Pill does nothing to prevent STIs.

Nope, It's main function is for sex without pregnancy. A huge societal change with good and bad results.


We always did.  Or do you think it was a good thing for most of us to be ignorant about an activity in which most of us participate?

I think there should have been something in between total innocence and the total decline of our society today. I will grant you that if you want sex, there really isn't much problem finding a partner. It's funny, to think of dating a woman before having sex. There was romance once. Now it's the woman who wants to go right to it. Although I love hearing "what do you want me to wear", I miss the chase!

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
2.1.33  pat wilson  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago

So, you're saying that our history from the Middle Ages to the 1960s was full of everyone having sex just for fun? 

Yes.

You see it wasn't until the 1960s and the "Free Love" movement that having sex out of wedlock was accepted in the culture.

 A patently absurd statement.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.34  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.32    6 years ago
I miss the chase!

I don't. I think it is nice (and flattering) to be chased.

Though sometimes it can be a little disconcerting.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
2.1.36  Ender  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.1.35    6 years ago

How about handing them out at the school nurses office.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
2.1.37  Raven Wing   replied to  Ender @2.1.17    6 years ago
How anyone would take abstinence advice from a woman that had several children from different men...

Yeah....but.....they were God fearing people who preached their holiness to any ear that would listen. Like many other religious zealots, they preach how others should life their lives, but, don't apply the same rules to their own life.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.38  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.32    6 years ago
Now it's the woman who wants to go right to it.

Ah, I see the problem.  That attitude was once the privilege of men.  Terrible to have to share it with women.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.39  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.38    6 years ago
That attitude was once the privilege of men.  Terrible to have to share it with women.

You assume too much. Did I confirm your bias?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.40  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.39    6 years ago

If you say so.  Your complaint that "it's the woman who wants to go right to it" seems fairly biased to me.  I would say that "couples want to go right to it" would be unbiased.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.41  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.40    6 years ago
Your complaint that "it's the woman who wants to go right to it" seems fairly biased to me.

You assumed that was a complaint. I was simply contrasting the time when we dinned women with today. The fact that you think that's biased tells me you may be a feminist?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.42  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.41    6 years ago

Yes, your whole post was a lament about promiscuity and the decline of society and romance.

Except for that sentence.

Seems likely.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.43  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.42    6 years ago
Seems likely.

That your'e a feminist?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
2.1.44  Raven Wing   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.43    6 years ago
That your'e a feminist?

You really do like the play the label game on others don't you? Except when the shoe is on the other foot, eh?

Seems like some other elephants in the room I know.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
2.1.45  Raven Wing   replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.28    6 years ago
Oh, ya, now we do

Then why do you state such totally unjustifiable comments?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.46  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.43    6 years ago

Yes, I believe in legal and social equality for women.

I really have to wonder about people who don't, or who think that it's an insult.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.47  Vic Eldred  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.46    6 years ago
I really have to wonder about people who don't, or who think that it's an insult.

Or think you don't like men.

Have a good night

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.48  sandy-2021492  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.47    6 years ago
Or think you don't like men.

Yes, I also have to wonder about people who can't tell the difference between feminism and misandry.

Of course, some equate the two on purpose, to vilify women who point out bias against women.  It's a dishonest tactic, but one that's often used.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
2.1.49  Raven Wing   replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.48    6 years ago
It's a dishonest tactic, but one that's often used.

And one usually used by men who dislike women. Or who think that women belong "in their place" as chattel. That women should not be free thinkers and have no rights to their own bodies. 

Some men accuse women of being Feminists to cover up their own misogyny. I see it practiced here on this site quite often by some here who seem to think it makes them look like real men, when it fact, it shows just how small they really are and much they fear women.

Because a real man does not need to use such excuses to prove their manhood. They are willing to accept women and their right to their own bodies. That is the show of a real man.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
2.1.50  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    6 years ago

    " still supposed to be reserved for a marriage relationship"

Why?  Who said that and why do they tell get to everybody what they can and can not do?

 
 
 
pat wilson
Professor Participates
2.1.51  pat wilson  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.37    6 years ago

ie. Dr. Laura.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
2.1.52  charger 383  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.32    6 years ago

     "It's main function is for sex without pregnancy. A huge societal change with good and bad results"

I don't see any bad results in that

 
 
 
Old Hermit
Sophomore Silent
2.1.53  Old Hermit  replied to  pat wilson @2.1.33    6 years ago
tomwcraig : So, you're saying that our history from the Middle Ages to the 1960s was full of everyone having sex just for fun?  pat wilson : Yes .

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Exhibit 1a

The Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer (c. 1345–1400)

We read a modern English translation, and I was bored out of my mind. Years later in graduate school I read all of the tales in their original Middle English and, thanks to some excellent footnotes, was able to appreciate how over-the-top sexual the tales actually were.

OK, let me be upfront with something right off the bat: that title is an exaggeration. As opposed to 50 Shades, you are unlikely to come across butt plugs, Keggle balls, or sex dungeons in Chaucer's best-known work. However, that doesn't mean that these tales aren't graphic and bawdy enough to make even the most hardcore Christian Grey fan blush.

For some reason, a lot of us (or, OK, maybe just me) assume that dirty jokes didn't exist before twentieth century. Whenever I read older works, I'm shocked to find how many different euphemisms there are for words like "vagina" and "syphilis". And boy does Chaucer have a lot of references to vaginas.

If you've never read a graphic sex scene in Middle English before than are you in for a real treat. I would suggest reading the following passages out loud. Not only does it make them easier to understand (even if you've never read Middle English before, you'll probably recognize a lot of the words when you hear them), but you'll also gift anyone within earshot with some beautiful passages of couples fornicating in trees and sticking their butts in each other's faces.
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1"Now sire and eft sire, so bifel the cas/ That on a day this hende Nicholas/ Fil with this yonge wyfe to rage and pleye/ Whil that hir housbonde was at Oseneye,/ As clerkes been ful subtile and ful queynte,/ And prively he caught hire by the queynte/ And sayde, "Ywis, but if ich have my wille/ For deerne love of thee, lemman, I spille,"/ And heeld hire harde by the haunche bones/ And seyde, "Lemman, love me al at ones/ Or I wold dyen, also God save me!"

— "The Miller's Tale"

Basically, a young wife is fooling around with a man named Nicholas while her husband is away (the scandal!). But here's the real naughty bit. Know what queynte is? Try sounding it out. Yup, that's a word for vagina. He caught her secretly by the queynte indeed. Also, "haunche bones" means thighs, btw.
— "The Miller's Tale"

Some backstory before we get to the good part. Absolon is the unwanted suitor of Alison (she's the miller's wife who's having an affair with Nicholas in the first quote). Absolon wants Alison to give him a kiss. Instead, Alison sticks her butt out the window and Absolon accidentally makes out with it. The fact that he only realizes his mistake when he feels her pubic hair makes this even better.

— "The Wife of Bath's Prologue"

Let's break this down: the Wife of Bath goes through an insanely long prologue before she gets to her tale, basically talking about her husbands and her sexual adventures. In this, she talks about how she'll only put up with this guy's advances if he gives her money first, and then she only pretends to enjoy the sex. Here's the real kicker: when she says, "And yet in bacon hadde I nevere delit," "bacon," my handy Chaucer footnotes tell me, is of course "old meat preserved by salting." Yeah, she's calling his dick old meat and saying she doesn't like it. Brutal.
— "The Wife of Bath's Prologue" Wife of Bath, you cougar. Here, she talks about having an eye for a much younger man (because apparently she always likes them young, see "old meat" above). Luckily, she doesn't think the 20 year age difference will matter, because she has the best "quonyam" (another new world for vagina) around. I like her confidence.
— "The Merchant's Tale"

So in this tale, an old man named January (who's kind of a jerk tbh) marries a much younger woman named May, who promptly begins having an affair with a young man named Damyan. January becomes blind, and doesn't realize this is going on. In this scene, Damyan is waiting for May in a tree. May tells January she wants to get some fruit from this tree and climbs on his back to get a boost up to the waiting Damyan, who grabs her and immediately starts having sex with her. Like, she's barely off her husband's back and they're going at it. In. A. Tree.

— "The Shipman's Tale"

A merchant's wife can't pay her debts and doesn't want her husband to know, so she turns to the world's oldest profession for help. She offers to sleep with a friend of her husband, who happens to be a monk, in exchange for the cash she needs. The monk is only too happy to oblige, keeping her in his arms "bolt upright" (that means on her back) all night.

— "The Reeve's Tale"

A young student vows to get revenge on a miller who stole from him by tricking his wife into sleeping with him. (Basically, he tricks the miller's wife into thinking she's getting in bed with her husband, but really she gets in bed with him.) It's a gross and inappropriate and frankly rape-y trick, but Chaucer isn't concerned with that and the miller's wife enjoys herself, noting that she hadn't had such a good night of sex in years. Apparently the student "priketh" pretty good.

I left out the old English, (except for the first example), but the link provided will let you read it if you wish.

I remember reading "The Canterbury Tales" in the 60's, (modern English version), and laughing out loud at the bawdy nature of the tails going around in the middle ages.

Stupid to think that folk haven't been fooling around since ... well since all our favorit nerves got centered in our sex organs.

Face it, if Mother Nature hadn't wanted humans to be able to constantly pursue sexual enjoyment she'd would have made our sex lives more painful, like Cats or Mantises, and we would only be having sex when we were biologically compeld to do so for procreational reasons.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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2.1.54  Phoenyx13  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.32    6 years ago
It's funny, to think of dating a woman before having sex. There was romance once. Now it's the woman who wants to go right to it.

there isn't romance anymore ? there's only "women who wants to go right to it" ? gee... i wonder what planet you are living on.. i see both romance and sex in today's society - just as it's always been and always will be. why ? because we are humans - some humans crave romance and some crave sex and some crave isolationism etc.... that is how it's always been and how it always will be. (and for the record, your comment can easily be interpreted that you are upset that women are taking control of their own sexual lives and aren't dependent upon men making first moves while trying to play coy)

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.1.55  sandy-2021492  replied to  Phoenyx13 @2.1.54    6 years ago

Obviously, you don't like men /s

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Silent
2.1.56  Phoenyx13  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.1.55    6 years ago
Obviously, you don't like men /s

i know, right ? and yet, i was told that only "liberals" are the ones that try to silent opposing viewpoints by calling names or labeling people like "That your'e a feminist?" (@2.1.43)

was i lied to again by the conservative minded ?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.57  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    6 years ago
No doubt that sex is special.  It is a human need for most.

It is the prime directive for all life forms to survive and reproduce. Period.

There is nothing special  about human sex versus any acts of copulation of any of the  other so called 'higher organisms' to perpetuate their existence.

Now, you might be able to make a case for feelings like love and sorrow which is pretty much evident among the  "higher" mammals, not so much among reptiles and insects.

Judging by how many other individual lives of different species are killed for food, sport, convenience or business profits on an annual global basis by your God's special

creations, you should start by boycotting eggs and chicken, not encouraging overpopulation by outlawing human abortions.

It just isn't logical.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.1.58  Split Personality  replied to  tomwcraig @2.1.10    6 years ago

Why is prostitution know as the oldest profession Tom?

Beginning in the third millennium B.C, the Sumerians, the first major inhabitants of ancient Mesopotamia, worshiped the goddess Ishtar, a deity that would remain a constant throughout Mesopotamia’s Babylonian and Assyrian empires. Ishtar was the goddess of love and war, symbolized by the planet Venus, and was born anew as a maiden every morning only to become a ‘whore’ every evening – the etymology of the word lying in the Indo-European root meaning ‘desire.’

Ironically, Mesopotamian religious practices gave birth to the prostitution trade, as women in Ishtar’s service would help men who offered money to her temples with the ‘sacred’ powers of their bodies. Achieving a priority of communication with the goddess from their fertility, only women enjoyed this religious position. Thus Ishtar temples became knowledge centers concerning birth, birth control, and sexuality.

 
 
 
lib50
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2.1.59  lib50  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.2    6 years ago

I can't even.  Reading that tripe highlights exactly what this is all about.  Its about slut shaming women who behave normally (and apparently have different standards than the 'studs' who cause unplanned and unwanted pregnancies.  You want christian sharia.  Should we expect the Basij next?

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.60  katrix  replied to  lib50 @2.1.59    6 years ago

We should require all men to submit their DNA to a national database, so those who think it's not their problem will have to face the same consequences that women do.

Sex for fun?  Deal with it.  It's apparently normal for men to give in to their urges .. but if women do the same, they're immoral and irresponsible. We're not supposed to have the same normal urges as men do, and if we do, we're sluts and deserve the consequences.  As to any children we are forced to bear.  If we die in childbirth, so what .. we deserve it.

 
 
 
nightwalker
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2.1.61  nightwalker  replied to  Release The Kraken @2.1.5    6 years ago

"You" haven't paid for a abortion since the '70s, a inconvenient fact that people on the right feel free to ignore.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.63  Raven Wing   replied to  Ender @2.1.17    6 years ago
How anyone would take abstinence advice from a woman that had several children from different men...

And some out of wedlock. Yet, she pretended to be oh so pious and God fearing. Even thinking she is qualified to preach to others how they should live their life. jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.64  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @2.1.16    6 years ago

The city like Sodom and Gomorrah were punished by God for their unrepentant sins.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @2    6 years ago

Why?  Planned Parenthood can still do all the abortions they want and provide what little else they do w/o government funds.  Meanwhile the planning, bc, counseling, and other women’s health needs will still be fully funded anywhere else.  This doesn’t take one dime away from Women’s health spending under title X.  It simply removes it from places that provide or refer to abortions. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
2.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    6 years ago

The money they received was not for abortions but for basic health care. 

Or do you not believe that women are should have that?

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
2.2.2  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    6 years ago
Planned Parenthood can still do all the abortions they want and provide what little else they do w/o government funds.

They DO NOT use government funds to provide abortion, no matter what your wingnut websites tell you.  And no, they can't provide what else they do without government funds - I'm sorry that you think preventing disease and pregnancy in women is useless. 

Get ready for more abortions now that you're making it harder for women to prevent pregnancy.  It's rather ironic that the anti-choice crowd worked so hard to increase abortions. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.1    6 years ago

In order to avoid any loss of Title X Federal monies, anyone who provides abortion, referals etc must have a separate physical location.

Even other pro life organizations recognize this.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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2.2.4  pat wilson  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    6 years ago

384

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.1    6 years ago

That funding still exists just in case some never bothered to read the article. The 60 million that was diverted away from planned abortionhood will still all be spent on women’s health.  It will be going to other agencies that will meet everyone one of those needs.  Planned Parenthood is a nonprofit organization and it does not have a legal entitlement on government funds.  There is no law or amendment assuring that the federal government must always subsidize them.  Now other more deserving and actually legitimate women’s health organizations will get the money to meet those very same needs PP supposedly provided.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.2.4    6 years ago

.....The administration said Planned Parenthood could still receive Title X grants if it keeps the family planning money separate from funds used to pay for abortions. Planned Parenthood has previously said only 3 percent of its health care services are abortion services.

“This proposal does not necessarily defund Planned Parenthood, as long as they’re willing to disentangle taxpayer funds from abortion as a method of family planning,” an administration official told Fox News .....

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  pat wilson @2.2.4    6 years ago

The good news is that the Supreme Court already ruled that a more strict rule in this regard for title X proposed by the Reagan administration was a legitimate use of executive power. So the opposition to the Trump rule have no where to go in the courts to fight it. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.2.1    6 years ago

The White House  has maintained  the proposal is different from former President Ronald Reagan’s so-called “gag rule” in 1988, which prevented federal money from being allocated to an organization that even mentioned abortion. With the Trump administration’s plan, an organization can still receive money if it counsels on abortion -- just doesn’t give referrals.

The Reagan-era rule didn’t go into effect as written, although the Supreme Court did decide that it was an appropriate use of executive power.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.9  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.6    6 years ago
.....The administration said Planned Parenthood could still receive Title X grants if it keeps the family planning money separate from funds used to pay for abortions.

Exactly.  So why seed an article whose headline is an obvious 'falsehood'.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
2.2.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    6 years ago

Prove that.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.16  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.15    6 years ago

BS.

they can just as easily change their business practices as you have already acknowledged.

The PP hasn't lost anything yet.

False headline.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.17    6 years ago

Prove it.  Please be specific.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.20  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.19    6 years ago

Well, it is for me.  Thanks for your fine contribution to the seed.   

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.22  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.19    6 years ago

Using the article to prove the article is correct?

jrSmiley_85_smiley_image.gif jrSmiley_85_smiley_image.gif

This pro life article uses the correct language.

"New Trump rule could slash 60 million from PP..."

This seeded article  is still opinion based on an assumption, with an incorrect title.

Even the seeder admitted it.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.21    6 years ago

That would actually be quite useful.  Better than commenting out of uninformed ignorance.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.23    6 years ago

It would likely cost PP way more than the 60 million to fully separate their real Heath facilities physically from their abortuaries.  Then it is unlikely in the extreme that their separate facilities could avoid referring clients to their abortion mill.  And with the 1980’s Supreme Court ruling in place the 60 m is as good as gone from PP.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
2.2.26  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2    6 years ago
Planned Parenthood can still do all the abortions they want and provide what little else they do w/o government funds.  Meanwhile the planning, bc, counseling, and other women’s health needs will still be fully funded anywhere else.

I'll be back in a second, XX.  I need to find out how many CoC's I've accumulated before I respond to your insanely uninformed comment.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.22    6 years ago

Since it is an op ed article in that section rather than in the news section the publication was right to use either would or could as it not you see fit.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.2.26    6 years ago

I can’t wait 😊!  There in fact is no change in the amount of funding for Title X.  The change is in who gets it and who won’t unless they make big changes .  

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.29  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.23    6 years ago

Oh, remember that old hospital the PP bought in TX?  Was it South Dallas or Duncanville? Somewhere north of you on 35E?

All approved for a stand alone surgical center.

Tell me that they aren't prepared for this latest wrinkle in the law.

They are finishing a 6500 sg ft clinic in Waco much to the chagrin of Pro Life Waco........separate from the PP clinic on Highway  6.....

They have another in Houston and just broke ground for a modern surgical center in Birmingham, AL. That will give them 2 clinics in Birmingham....

The people at PP have been planning for the worst possible scenarios for Roe v Wade since  Trump and Pence were elected.

I wouldn't bet against them.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.31  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.27    6 years ago
the publication was right to use either would or could as it not you see fit.

I would ask which article you were referring to,

if I could interpret the Jeffersonese dialect.

?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.32  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.30    6 years ago
Seems like they should have separated the two long ago to me.

Not our company, is it ? Not our call.

It would have made more sound business sense and would have COMPLETELY avoided any insinuations that they were comingling the govt. money with abortion money.

That makes sense but I am also positive that had they (PP) done that, the same people opposed to abortion, then would have the same feelings now,

and go to the same extremes that they have pursued in the past.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.34  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.33    6 years ago

Perhaps.

jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
2.2.35  lib50  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.2.26    6 years ago

Lol, its hard to control myself with this topic too.   They are in the beginning stages of christia sharia.  Or maybe its the last gasp of breath.  One way or the other, younger women won't be having this. 

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
2.2.36  katrix  replied to  lib50 @2.2.35    6 years ago

I hope that the anti choice crowd are ready to deal with the consequences .. of course, having women die from lack of health care wont bother them.  They only care about zygotes and embryos, not living people.

Besides, in biblical marriage, you wore one woman to death in childbirth.  Then some other man sold your daughter her to you as your new brood mare.  This Christian fanatical group sees women as nothing more than brood mares and men's property.  How dare we think and have careers and our own interests that don't revolve around our men!  And how weak and insecure these men are .. thank goodness I don't know weak men like that.  The men I hang out with are secure enough to not be threatened by women who have a brain, or who enjoy using power tools. 

Weak, scared, bigots pretending their bible is moral. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.2.37  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  lib50 @2.2.35    6 years ago

You realize that there are as many pro life young women as there are young men who are pro life.  Also the funding for title X is not decreased by this.  Lastly this rule has nothing at all to do with the overall availability of abortion in this country....UNLESS...PP really was co mingling women’s health federal dollars with private abortion funding to subsidize their charging price for them....

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
2.2.38  Split Personality  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.37    6 years ago
You realize that there are as many pro life young women as there are young men who are pro life.

Can you actually prove that?

No.

PP really was co mingling women’s health federal dollars with private abortion funding to subsidize their charging price for them....

Can you prove that ?

No.  In fact very little gets by a Federal Audit, annually, every year.

And when PP complies with Title X,

and continues to perform abortions in separate clinics funded by insurance reimbursements and patient pay only,

what then will be the battle cry of the pro-life movements?

"Eat mor Chiken"?

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
2.2.39  nightwalker  replied to    6 years ago

No, they do not, but that would interfere with that martyr stuff about how nobody listens to religion.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  katrix @2    6 years ago
Christian Sharia Law is coming

I don't know if this comment demonstrates more ignorance or hysteria. Tough call. 

We live in a country whose government will force small businesses to participate in gay marriage ceremonies against their will. Vermont is about to pass an abortion bill with zero limitations. One can go on and on with the examples, yet in defiance of reason, facts and common sense, the left continuously screams about theocracy being "right around the corner."  I know the left thrives on scaring voters, but I refuse to believe anyone is dumb enough to believe that America in 2019 is on the verge of turning into a christian theocracy.   Anyone who's paid any attention to the country the last 50 years could only laugh at that.

It's like claiming the WOBBLIES are going to take over the country at any minute.  It's street corner loony crazy. 

Open your eyes. America is father from being a "Christian theocracy" (I won't even dignify something as illiterate as "Christian sharia" ) then it has been at any point in it's history.  Let's put a stop with the insane fear mongering and deal with reality please.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Quiet
2.4.3  katrix  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.4    6 years ago
I don't know if this comment demonstrates more ignorance or hysteria

It was clearly an exaggeration ... for religious fanatics (which you do not appear to be), they screech about Muslims trying to put their religious beliefs into our laws, while completely ignoring the hypocrisy of them thinking it's just fine for them to do the exact same thing.

And nobody was forcing anyone to participate in a gay marriage ceremonies.  That's either ignorant, hysterical, or both.

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
2.4.5  lib50  replied to    6 years ago

It's not hysteria or ignorance, its an understanding and knowledge of how women are subjugated and controlled through their fertility and have been throughout history.  By MEN.  If you are unfamiliar with the history of Iran's revolution and the resulting suppression of women (first and foremost), brush up instead of seeing it through your eyes only.  As a woman who watched our rights come and subsequent attempts over the years to take them away, this is a BFD.  And the sanctimonious dismissal of our rights and choices (by men who don't know shit about women, I might add) are insulting and expected.  The ignorance is on your side.  Planned Parenthood has avoided more abortions than any other health organization because that is their main goal,  PLANNED parenthood.  They don't slut shame and try to make it harder and more expensive for women to avoid pregnancy.  Nor do they expect a different standard for female behavior than male behavior.  What price does a man pay in all this again?  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
2.7  charger 383  replied to  katrix @2    6 years ago

   "These funds will be redirected to faith-based groups"

I don't trust them with proper use of funds and don't want them to be spending my tax money 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
2.7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @2.7    6 years ago

Faith based charities already to get federal funding for some of their relief work.  Next time there is a domestic disaster like a fire or earthquake or hurricane etc and see how much federal funds go to faith based groups to provide relief.  The government also uses faith based ngo’s to provide aid for disasters overseas as well.  

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
3  Ender    6 years ago
This is the kind of policy change that Millennials, the nation’s largest voting bloc, support

Where do these people come up with these lies?

Only fundie nutjobs would support this.

If trump gets voted back into office, the people deserve whatever comes.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @3    6 years ago

“The final rule amends the Title X regulation, which had not been substantially updated in nearly two decades, and makes notable improvements designed to increase the number of patients served and improve the quality of their care.”   This is from the actual new rule.  It is going to make more care of more women for more health issues than are being presently provided for by giving the funds to more deserving women’s health organizations.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    6 years ago
This is the kind of policy change that Millennials, the nation’s largest voting bloc, support

Ummm. No. From the Pew:

384

It is going to make more care of more women for more health issues than are being presently provided for by giving the funds to more deserving women’s health organizations.  

Name one.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    6 years ago

If all the good Christian women who ever made the difficult agonizing personal decision to terminate a pregnancy for whatever their own valid personal reasons were to be raptured up to Heaven tonight then church pews all across America would all be about half empty tomorrow morning...

What penalty do you advocate all those women and their doctors suffer?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    6 years ago

The seed and topic have nothing to do with the availability of abortion.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    6 years ago

Any federally qualified health center which meets title X rules will be able to benefit women with the same care or more than PP and they outnumber PP Clinics 20-1.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.5  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.4    6 years ago

but they are not telling all the information needed to make the best choice 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
3.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  charger 383 @3.1.5    6 years ago

Thank you charger! Exactly!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.6    6 years ago

Because only abortion can be the best choice?  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
3.1.8  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    6 years ago

If they don't want or can't provide for a child, YES!  children should not be born into poverty or where they won't be properly cared for

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
3.1.9  nightwalker  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1    6 years ago

Yup, that's what they claim, all right. All for the good of the women, of course.

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
3.1.10  nightwalker  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.7    6 years ago

No, because you and people like you want there to be only ONE choice, the choice you want them to make so you work HARD to silence any other choices like birth control or abortion.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
5  bbl-1    6 years ago

Fetus adoration.  Find it odd that a president of 'checkered sexual history' would prioritize Choice as the target.

Ah well.  Promises Made--Promises Kept.  The wall and pregnancy termination?

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7  charger 383    6 years ago

Costs, In our local paper School costs were reported at over $12,000 per student a year, K-12 that's over $160,000 and they say they need more.

Money for all Planned Parenthood services seems like a good investment. 

 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @7    6 years ago

And those same 60,000,000 we’re talking about not going to PP will go to other federal qualified health centers that meet the guidelines of the title X rules. The investment still happens.  It’s just that it will be invested anywhere else other than planned Parenthood.  

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.1.1  charger 383  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

that does not help with the ever increasing number of students and  costs

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.1    6 years ago

You mean that the contraceptives that they receive from the other federally qualified health centers won’t work?  

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
7.1.3  nightwalker  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

It will be invested in rump's WALL, don't you read the news? Women will get a lot of nothing.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.4    6 years ago

It’s as if if it doesn’t go to PP it doesn’t count.  PP is a liberal sacred cow.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.6    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.6    6 years ago

True.  They also forget that many of those involved in the choose life movement are in fact women. The largest women’s tlrights/issues group in the country is pro life. Concerned Women For America.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
8  charger 383    6 years ago

Overpopulation is getting worse and it multiplies most other problems.  Politicians and Preachers don't want to talk about this  

 
 
 
nightwalker
Sophomore Silent
8.1  nightwalker  replied to  charger 383 @8    6 years ago

Politicians need troops to enforce their will and tax payers to pay for everything, and the best way to get more members of a church is to have their members have many children and raise them in the church.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9  Vic Eldred    6 years ago

 
 

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