Your next car may not allow you to speed on the highway

  
Via:  perrie-halpern  •  3 months ago  •  124 comments

Your next car may not allow you to speed on the highway
More than 37,000 Americans have been killed in high-speed crashes in the past 25 years, and automakers are now under increasing pressure to limit the top speeds of vehicles.

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By Paul A. Eisenstein

As many as 37,000 Americans have been killed on the highway in the past 25 years as a result of increased speed limits, according to a new study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

In some states, speed limits have now climbed as high as 85 mph since Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed Limit in 1994. And, according to U.S. safety regulators, excess speed plays a role in about 26 percent of all highway fatalities. With ever more powerful vehicles taking to the roads every year, automakers are coming under increasing pressure to take steps to limit the top speeds of their vehicles.

Swedish automaker Volvo said last month it will cap the top speed at 112 mph in its cars, starting with the 2021 model-year. That’s well above even the fastest legal limit in the U.S., but federal records show it’s not unusual for speeders to exceed that number — and the faster you go, the lower the chance of surviving a crash.

“Because of our research, we know where the problem areas are when it comes to ending serious injuries and fatalities in our cars,” said Håkan Samuelsson, president and chief executive of Volvo Cars. “And while a speed limitation is not a cure-all, it’s worth doing if we can even save one life.”

America began phasing out the National Maximum Speed Limit that was put in place in 1974 in response to the first Mideast oil crisis. Noncompliance was high and there was strong pushback from states like Nevada and South Dakota. In the early 1980s, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration tried to get motorists to slow down by requiring that speedometers couldn’t read out anything above 85 mph. The blowback from consumers eventually led the NHTSA to drop that rule. In 1987 the speed limit was raised to a maximum 65 on interstate highways, and Congress repealed the NMSL entirely in 1995.

Currently, the fastest highway in the country is a 41-mile stretch of SH 130 in mid-Texas, where passenger vehicles can top out at 130 mph. But for those with a real need for speed, their mecca is the German Autobahn, which has thousands of miles of roadway with no speed limit whatsoever. Some sections do now have restrictions: Travelers driving the 600 miles from Cologne to Berlin will barely find a spot to drive above 100 kmh, or 62 mph — lower than most U.S. superhighways today. And there are proposals backed by Germany’s powerful Green Party that would limit speeds to 130 kmh, or 80 mph.

When it comes to limited-access highways, not everyone buys into the conventional wisdom that “speed kills.” In some places, “increasing the speed limit (will) make the roadways safer,” contends safety expert Tom Sohrweide. He claims his studies show that what’s more important is keeping traffic moving at consistent speeds, with relatively minor gaps between the fastest and slowest vehicles. Sohrweide doesn’t propose eliminating speeds entirely but recommends they be set at the 85th percentile, or the speed at which 85 percent of traffic is moving.

Not everyone buys that argument, however — and some experts contend that lowering speed limits is necessary because of the high number of distracted drivers. Others point out that lower limits reduce fuel consumption and CO2 emissions.

What’s clear is the debate over vehicle speeds is only going to continue.

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Perrie Halpern R.A.
1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 months ago

Is being able to speed a right? (she says as a joke... kind of).....discuss. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.1  epistte  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 months ago

Most Americans cannot competently drive and they are too busy playing with the various toys in their cars to drive.

Speeding cannot be a right because a law cannot be unenforceable. It is doubtful that most people ever break 100mph in their cars, so Volvo's idea is not new nor it w it have any changes for most drivers.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  epistte @1.1    3 months ago
It is doubtful that most people ever break 100mph in their cars

We just do our best to not get caught.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @1.1    3 months ago
Most Americans cannot competently drive

Indeed. Many probably cannot even drive a stick shift.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.3  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.2    3 months ago

Gordy,

Funny that you say that. I was just talking about how only a handful of my kids' generation can drive a stick. What's up with that?

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.3    3 months ago
Funny that you say that. I was just talking about how only a handful of my kids' generation can drive a stick. What's up with that?

I guess people want to do things the "easy way." So they don't bother to learn a stick shift or are taught only on an automatic. I sold my stick shift car some years ago and one person was interested in buying, but backed out when they found it was a manual transmission, saying they didn't know how to drive it (stick shift). They didn't even know what a manual transmission was. That's like saying you don't know what an engine is. I was stunned. I always said, if you learn to drive a stick, you can drive anything.

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.5  katrix  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.4    3 months ago

My truck is a 5-speed, but to be honest, it's a pain in the ass in heavy traffic.  They can be pretty scary for new drivers on hills, too, especially if some moron pulls up too close behind you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @1.1.5    3 months ago
They can be pretty scary for new drivers on hills, too, especially if some moron pulls up too close behind you.

Hills are no problem if one has the driving skills. Hills presented a little challenge for me when I first learned to drive (on a manual transmission). Now they're nothing to me. I can start up on a hill as easily as I can on a flat road surface.

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.7  epistte  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.2    3 months ago
Indeed. Many probably cannot even drive a stick shift.

It is a fact that cars with manual transmission are stolen less because car thieves cannot drive stick. A clutch pedal is a virtual anti-theft device.

I prefer manuals and I made sure that my daughter could drive a stick shift, but apparently, she is one of the few millennials who can. 

 
 
 
epistte
1.1.8  epistte  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.1    3 months ago
We just do our best to not get caught.

My biggest ticket was a 7mph over the limit, about 20 years ago, despite the fact that I have cracked 3 digits a few times on the highway, usually about 3AM.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  epistte @1.1.7    3 months ago
I prefer manuals

As do I. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
zuksam
1.1.10  zuksam  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.3    2 months ago

I think most of the problem is Manual Transmissions just aren't available on most cars or trucks. People are used to buying the New Car or Truck they like then choosing the options but if a stick shift is what you want that's where you need to start because that knocks 98% of the New Vehicles right off the list. Even most New 18 wheelers these days are automatics. This has been the trend for 25 years and for those of us who were driving in the 70's and 80's it seem odd not to know how to drive stick because a third of the cars and trucks on the road back then were manual. By the way the best way to learn to drive stick is on a small dirt bike like a xr80 you get the feel for starting and stopping and shifting on a much more forgiving platform. That's how I learned and I was taught to ride a motorcycle young and then driving cars came naturally, just a bigger vehicle.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  zuksam @1.1.10    2 months ago
I think most of the problem is Manual Transmissions just aren't available on most cars or trucks.

At least in the United States.

Manuals are still very common in the rest of the world.  Hell, Mercedes, used as Taxis anyway, in a lot of Europe and the ME, are mostly stick.  And the ubiquitous Toyota HiLux is almost always stick and diesel in the Middle East.

I guess Americans are just too lazy to work more than 2 pedals. 

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2  squiggy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 months ago

They deserve the anti-gun argument, "You don't need 400 horsepower...".

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  squiggy @1.2    3 months ago

LOL.. I know. That's why I opened the way that I did.

 
 
 
epistte
1.2.2  epistte  replied to  squiggy @1.2    3 months ago
They deserve the anti-gun argument, "You don't need 400 horsepower...".

Most people cannot control it. YouTube is full of fast cars being crashed by people who don't know how to drive. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 months ago
(she says as a joke... kind of)

Way back in 1972, I was coming out of Manhattan going to Huntington after work to pick up my then girl friend for a date.

Just before the Rte 110 exit on the LIE (I-495 to those not aware of Island speak) I was pulled over by a Suffolk cop for I found out speeding (ok..  I KNEW I was speeding, but wasn't sure that was the reason.) 

Anyway, he had all my stuff, license, registration, insurance ID and he was chewing me up one side and down the other.  I thought I was about to see the back seat of his cruiser wearing a shiny new two wrist bracelet, when out of the blue he hands everything back to me.  He said a bunch of stuff, most of which I can guarantee he never said to his mother or in church, but the one sentence he said which I remember to this day is;

"I can't give you a ticket because there is no judge anywhere that would ever believe I clocked you doing 105 miles per hour in a Volkswagon."

He was NOT a happy camper, but I sure was!!

We later became friends and laughed about it because we met at a mutual friends place a few weeks later when he was having a B-B-Q.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3    3 months ago

Now that is a funny story!!! 

Recently my daughter got caught speeding on the LIE, because she was late for a lab at SUNY Stoney Brook (one of our state university centers for non-Long Islanders). She had never been stopped before. We only found out about the conversation after she showed us the ticket.

Police: Do you know why you were stopped? (standard reply is "no")

Daughter: I'm guessing it's because I was doing 88. But I did slow down when I saw I was doing 95, so there's that. 

Ummm.. no dear.. that doesn't count. You just admitted to high speeding. Wonderful! You did their job for them.

Husband read that and just shook his head. $500 later and a special speed contraption that we now have installed on the car for the next 6 months and we got it reduced to 2 points. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.2  Gordy327  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.1    3 months ago
Ummm.. no dear.. that doesn't count. You just admitted to high speeding. Wonderful! You did their job for them.

Some police might let you off with a warning if you acknowledge what you did wrong. If you act clueless, they know you're BSing them. But an 88 mph speed (I assume in a 55 mph zone) WILL get you a ticket no matter what.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.1    3 months ago
I'm guessing it's because I was doing 88. But I did slow down when I saw I was doing 95, so there's that. 

Ok....   my interest is piqued.  EXACTLY WHERE did she find anyplace on the LIE at any time of day to accomplish that speed.   Out by Riverhead heading west towards the city?

The last time I was on the Island (last year) there was never a time when it didn't look like rush hour traffic. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.3    3 months ago

Easy. Left lane, east bound, after 10am, from 107 down. And remember that Stoney Brook is well into Suffolk. 

The last time I was on the Island (last year) there was never a time when it didn't look like rush hour traffic. 

That anything from the Medowbrook to NYC and back. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.5  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.4    3 months ago
Easy. Left lane, east bound, after 10am, from 107 down.

LEFT lane or FAR left (HOV) lane?

I will admit to liking that HOV lane.   Made life SO much nicer and easier when we left.  Of course then I got to the ransom extortion gate at the Verrazano trying to get out and that ended the short bit of happiness I encountered.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.6  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.2    3 months ago

It was a 55 and in NY, the best way to get off, is to ask why you've been stopped, before the cop asks you, LOL. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.7  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.5    3 months ago

In eastern Nassau out to Suffolk, the left lane is what you want. You could get stuck behind a real slow poke on the HOV. In western Nassau to the city, you want to be in the HOV. 

I got to the ransom extortion gate at the Verrazano trying to get out and that ended the short bit of happiness I encountered.

Ugh... the Verrazano. $17 of misery. Avoid at all cost as well as the Belt Parkway. Next time you have to go to Jersey, do the G. Washington off-peak. $10. Use port authority bridges. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.3.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3.2    3 months ago
But an 88 mph speed (I assume in a 55 mph zone) WILL get you a ticket no matter what.

Not necessarily. I was doing 88 in a 55 down a Texas farm-to-market road and got pulled over by a statie. I did what Perrie's daughter did and admitted to doing 88 even tho he clocked me at 85.

He thanked me for my honesty, asked why I was in such a hurry and I said I was late for bowling night (I knew I was going to eat it for sure)

AND THEN!!!! He got an emergency call, told me to slow down and I would make it to league night in one piece.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3.9  Gordy327  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.8    3 months ago
He got an emergency call, told me to slow down and I would make it to league night in one piece.

Sounds like you were saved by the proverbial bell.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.10  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.8    3 months ago

Lucky girl! I'll tell my daughter your story...

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.4  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 months ago
Is being able to speed a right? (she says as a joke... kind of)

when crossing  the usa I used to factor in tickets as part of the cost of travel.

 to save 8hrs time or more was worth a couple hundred dollar ticket.

still is :)

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.1  XDm9mm  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.4    3 months ago
worth a couple hundred dollar ticket.

Use caution where you do that.  Check the law since in some places, depending on the MPH over, it might be considered reckless driving (which if written that way can cause havoc to your insurance rates) or it might even be a felony charge meaning a short trip to the local jail and a long wait for the local magistrate (or whatever they call them locally).

I believe 20 MPH over in VA might be a felony charge.  I KNOW it is in Leesburg VA since a friend got hammered for it.  Cost over 15k between lawyers and fines.  Lucky for him it got reduced to a lower speed otherwise it would have meant 30 days in the Leesburg jail.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.4.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.1    3 months ago
Use caution where you do that.

of course.

radar detectors and CB radios help with that greatly

40yrs driving and only one ticket.

blew past a cop on the interstate like he was not even there.

I used my blinkers when I passed him.  (safety first)

I just didn't know it was a cop for another 10-15mins until he caught up

he asked whats the rush?

I said I had been driving for days and once I'm over those mountains in front of us, I get to sleep

he only wrote me a ticket for 10mph over the posted limit.


on my motorcycle, I recently passed a cop on ocean drive "limit 35" doing 90mph

he asked for my ID, checked his radio, came back handed me my ID

and then simply said?   thank you sir. have a great night.

(no ticket - not even a warning to slow down.)

if you try this - results may vary :)

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.4.3  SteevieGee  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.4.2    3 months ago

Wow.  You guys have a total disregard for the laws of this nation, or for the safety of others.  It's all about law and order for anybody else though.  You guys should lose your licenses.  I have never had a speeding ticket or any other moving violation.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.4  XDm9mm  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.4.2    3 months ago
radar detectors

Keep it WELL hidden in VA....   they're illegal there.  They can write you AND confiscate it.  (My brother learned that one the hard way!!)

More often than not, if you're courteous to the cop, he/she will reciprocate and ease up a bit.  If you give them attitude, well, good luck.

The week after the LIE incident, I was coming home from work on my bike and a NYPD Highway Patrol lit up behind me in a cruiser.  (NYC Highway patrol was also known as "Motorcycle 3")  Oop's.

Well, a quick down shift, spin on the throttle and dive for the exit ramp and the fun was on!!!   My saving grace was that there was a park about two miles ahead.   (MC 3 cops were NOT known for being nice or forgiving.  A former girlfriend and daughter of the MC 3 Captain at the time was written up for speeding.  And daddy didn't "fix" the ticket either.)   I got of the road (thankfully there was a handicap cut in the curb at the corner) and went for the paved path through the trees.  I'm sure if he was on a bike instead of in a cruiser, he would have stayed right on me.  But then if he was on a bike, I wouldn't have tried to shake him either.  Those boys can do some serious shit on two wheels.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.5  It Is ME  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4.3    3 months ago
Wow.

WOW what ?

Bet you've spit on the sidewalk at one time or another. There are laws about that dontchyaknow !

 
 
 
charger 383
1.4.6  charger 383  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.1    3 months ago

"I believe 20 MPH over in VA might be a felony charge"

20 over or over 80 can be reckless driving in VA, crazy law

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.4.7  SteevieGee  replied to  It Is ME @1.4.5    3 months ago
Bet you've spit on the sidewalk at one time or another. There are laws about that dontchyaknow !

Actually I'm not aware of any laws about spitting on sidewalks.  I guess they exist. I would never spit on a sidewalk or anywhere else because I'm not a disgusting pig.

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.4.8  It Is ME  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4.7    3 months ago
I would never spit on a sidewalk or anywhere else because I'm not a disgusting pig.

jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

That's what EVERYONE says !

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.9  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.4    3 months ago

Well aren't you a bad ass?  LOL.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.10  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.4.2    3 months ago

Wow aren't you a bad ass?  LOL.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.4.11  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.4    3 months ago
if you're courteous to the cop, he/she will reciprocate and ease up a bit. 

word. I'm always nice to the police

and they have never gone out of their way to screw me over.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.4.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.10    3 months ago
Wow aren't you a bad ass?

im not a badass... and im no pussy either.

if your not living on the edge? yer takin up too much space in the middle.

cheers :)

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
1.4.13  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  SteevieGee @1.4.3    3 months ago
You guys have a total disregard for the laws of this nation, or for the safety of others.

rule 1) no one gets hurt around me unless they deserve it.

rule 2) see the first rule.

have lived by those two simple rules my entire life, not going to change now.


as for disregard of our laws? if the govt had won the drug war? weed would not be legal in some states like it is now. civil disobedience gets things done over time.

if everyone drove the speed limit in the past they never would have raised it above 55 which was the speed limit at the time of my examples above.

with today's 85mph speed limits... 90mph is fast enough for me.

cheers :)

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.4.14  SteevieGee  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @1.4.11    3 months ago
word. I'm always nice to the police and they have never gone out of their way to screw me over.

That's because you are really more like a cue ball than an eight ball.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1    3 months ago

I make concious effort to drive the speed limit on the highways. If the sign says 65, I do 65 except when passing another slow moving vehicle. No matter what the posted speed limit, there are always idiots that have to go faster. Yesterday I was driving home from another town 60 miles away. I was doing 65 when a nice looking shiny new SUV with plates from Mexico on comes roaring past me at about 80 or so with a couple of young guys in it laughing their heads off. A couple of miles down the road, that same vehicle had been pulled over by the Arizona Highway Patrol. Those two guys looked at me and I just smiled and waved at them as I drove by...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.5.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5    3 months ago
I make concious effort to drive the speed limit on the highways. If the sign says 65, I do 65 except when passing another slow moving vehicle.

I'm hoping you're NOT one of those types that parks his/her ass in the left lane doing the "speed limit" and not giving others behind an option to pass because the 'speed limit is "X mph'.  Pass the slow mover and move back to the right.  It's the law in many states and even if not, it's simply the courteous thing to do.

No matter what the posted speed limit, there are always idiots that have to go faster.

I'll be quite candid and say that I'm probably one of those 'idiots' you allude to.  But I'll also note that my "comfort speed is about 70" on most roads.   Driving slower is to me a type of highway hypnosis and makes me lethargic and sleepy. 

Yesterday I was driving home from another town 60 miles away. I was doing 65 when a nice looking shiny new SUV with plates from Mexico on comes roaring past me at about 80 or so with a couple of young guys in it laughing their heads off.

Damn.  You're lucky.  Most of the Mexican tags we have around here are usually occupied by some old couple up here for a shopping spree (which speaking of, the "season" will actually be starting soon) or going to Six Flags San Antonio (which coincidentally are adjacent to a couple of major shopping malls).

 
 
 
katrix
1.5.2  katrix  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5    3 months ago

If I went 65 on highways where the posted limit is 65, I'd cause an accident.  Even in the right lane, sometimes.  I try to keep up with the traffic flow.  I'm generally going around 75 in the left lane - but I always move over if someone else wants to go faster.  And not at the last minute, either ... I can tell that they're coming up on me and move over.  The exception is when I'm going past an on-ramp.  For some reason, despite all the farmland, the idiots who designed one of the highways I take decided not to put in a merge area.  So whenever possible, I get over in the left lane while passing the on-ramp, even if it pisses someone behind me off for a couple of minutes.  The people merging don't care that they have no merge area, decide they have the right of way, and pull right in anyway, even if there are cars in the right lane going 65 or 70 mph.

Yesterday I was passing someone, I was going 75 in the left lane along with the rest of the left-lane traffic  ... some idiot came flying up in the right lane behind the car which was now about next to me, realized at the last minute there was no room in between me and the car I was passing, and passed the right-hand car on the shoulder.  Idiot.

Generally cops won't give you a ticket if you're going 8 or 9 over on a higher speed road, and 4 or so over in a 25 mph zone.  In rush hour, usually they won't pull anyone over ... but then in rush hour around here, you're generally not speeding anyway because traffic is too heavy.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.5.3  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @1.5.2    3 months ago
Generally cops won't give you a ticket if you're going 8 or 9 over on a higher speed road, and 4 or so over in a 25 mph zone.

Unless they need to meet their ticket quota for the week. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2  Buzz of the Orient    3 months ago

There was a time when "governors" (a device that sets a top speed that cannot be surpassed) were installed on car motors (in Canada, at least) but eventually they were no longer mandatory.  I think that the top speed limit control in cars should be at least 20 mph above the highest posted speed limit for safety reasons.  There can be situations in driving where a car must put on a burst of speed, such as when passing an 18-wheeler, and being unexpectedly confronted with a car coming towards you on a 2 lane highway, in a situation where cars are backed up behind the truck so slowing is no solution. 

 
 
 
katrix
2.1  katrix  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    3 months ago

Or when you're running away from a police car that's chasing you!

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.1  MUVA  replied to  katrix @2.1    3 months ago

A friend of mine just bought a Camaro ZL1 1LE over 600 hp and 170 mph he can't get it out of third gear around town.In third gear you can hit over 100mph.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @2.1    3 months ago
Or when you're running away from a police car that's chasing you!

The funny thing about that is you can't outrun a radio or helicopter.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.3  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.2    3 months ago

Yeah, which is something the people who try to outrun cops never seem to think about.

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  MUVA @2.1.1    3 months ago
Camaro ZL1 1LE over 600 hp and 170 mph

Nice. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  katrix @2.1    3 months ago
Or when you're running away from a police car that's chasing you!

My husband did that on a motorcycle with me on the back.  He didn't get caught but he caught a lot of fury from me.

 
 
 
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2.1.6  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.5    3 months ago

I've been trying to get a ticket on my bike but the cops in the area only pull over crotch rockets and the little cafe bikes the millennials ride.

Last week I was doing 70 on the shoulder because their was an accident in IH 35 and the cops working the accident gave me the thumbs up as I was breaking multiple traffic laws.

I did 90 past a motorcycle cop the other day and he didn't budge as he looked right at me. It's bizarre. I don't even register the thing anymore since no one seems to care.

I ran a stop sign in my truck and got pulled over, when i handed the cop my motorcycle insurance (didn't have my other card with me) he let me go. WTF?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.5    3 months ago
My husband did that on a motorcycle with me on the back.  He didn't get caught but he caught a lot of fury from me.

Not a good idea, no matter how good you are on a bike.   The DRIVER knows what he/she is about to do, but a passenger has no idea and might lean the wrong way.  NOT a pretty outcome.

I hope you STILL give him hell about that!!

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.8  Sunshine  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.7    3 months ago
I hope you STILL give him hell about that!!

Not the first time he did it either, not with me, but other times by himself.  

I was so damn mad.  I'm getting mad again!  lol

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.9  XDm9mm  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.6    3 months ago
I did 90 past a motorcycle cop the other day and he didn't budge as he looked right at me. It's bizarre. I don't even register the thing anymore since no one seems to care.

One must surmise that they're looking for more organ donors and you just volunteered?

I (finally) gave two wheelers up after my brother and I both walked away from wrecks that we should have been carried away from in body bags.  Both of us not only totaled the bikes but the cars involved.

The funny thing was that I wrecked his bike and later he wrecked mine...  pay back??  LOL   But he went back to 2 wheels about 10 years later.  A big full dress Harley.  Dropped a bunch of $$ into it.  Not all that many could do a wheelie....  but his did.  Then in 2002 he damn near lost not only his leg but his life.  He finally stopped riding.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
2.1.10  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.9    3 months ago

We've had two women bike riders die in the last year taking selfies on fly overs. Dumbest thing i have ever heard of.

 
 
 
Sunshine
2.1.11  Sunshine  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.6    3 months ago
I did 90 past a motorcycle cop the other day

I hope you where wearing a helmet.  Michigan does not require helmets anymore.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.10    3 months ago
Dumbest thing i have ever heard of.

Uhmmm....   the women bike riders or taking selfies on flyovers (or any place moving for that matter).

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.11    3 months ago
Michigan does not require helmets anymore.

Neither does Texas.

But in reality they don't do all that much anyway.  They just keep the parts together so they don't have to clean grey matter off the road.   The neck still snaps and severs the spinal cord.  But at least they can harvest the eyes.

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
2.1.14  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.11    3 months ago

I wear a helmet, but the trick is unbaffled drag pipes.  Every car with in a mile rattles....

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.15  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.14    3 months ago
I wear a helmet, but the trick is unbaffled drag pipes. 

if I have someone on the back who wants a helmet, I wear one also to protect my self from them clocking me in the back of the head with their head.

as for straight pipe? nothing will save a life faster than that.

I had one so quiet it was silly, and almost every day someone would try to push me out of my lane like I was not even there. (they didn't even look before changing lanes)

after straight pipes? everyone for a mile knows exactly where I am at all times.

id rather be flipped off for my pipes than ran smooth over.

people get mad, I just smile :)

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
2.1.16  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.15    3 months ago

Short straight pipes....yes!

Passenger on my bike?  Hell no!

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.17  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.16    3 months ago

ha.

my only limits on passengers are:

  1. no guys
  2. no liberals

I'll let em all walk.

here is my scooter

512

 
 
 
Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉
2.1.18  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.17    3 months ago

Holy rear tire.....oops, what happened to the passenger seat? LOL

800

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.19  katrix  replied to  Badfish H҉a҉n҉d҉ ҉o҉f҉ ҉D҉o҉o҉m҉ @2.1.14    3 months ago
I wear a helmet, but the trick is unbaffled drag pipes.  Every car with in a mile rattles

I used to wonder why people liked their bikes to be so loud, until a friend explained it to me.  Makes perfect sense.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.20  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  katrix @2.1    3 months ago

I'll bet police cars, ambulances, fire trucks and certain government vehicles (like secret service, FBI, CIA and the POTUS limo) will not be subject to the limitation.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  katrix @2.1.19    3 months ago

Up until now I thought noisy bikes were childish, but now I see the point.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.22  XDm9mm  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.20    3 months ago
I'll bet police cars, ambulances, fire trucks and certain government vehicles (like secret service, FBI, CIA and the POTUS limo) will not be subject to the limitation.

Hi Buzz...

Technically, all of those vehicles are technically required to obey "speed limits" also.   (Although not too sure about the BEAST (POTUS limo) and accompanying LEO vehicles).

But, as was noted earlier, it's so easy to bypass any governor or other type of speed limiter.  About the only way they could possibly get it done would be to use the gears to do it, but then, people would just change the gears too but there are fewer people able to do that.

 
 
 
epistte
2.1.23  epistte  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.20    3 months ago

You do not want any fire truck driving over 100mph. Trust me on this.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.24  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.22    3 months ago

Thanks for the info.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.25  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  epistte @2.1.23    3 months ago

Okay, I guess you're right.

 
 
 
epistte
2.1.26  epistte  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.25    3 months ago
Okay, I guess you're right.

Those trucks don't handle well at much over 75MPG, especially in anything but a straight line.   The truck suspension is actually quite crude live axles and beam axles.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3  XDm9mm    3 months ago

Mr. Eisenstein,

I suggest you verify your facts before you write about things near and dear to your heart.

Should you decide to "top out at 130" on SH-130 in Texas, one of those men or women known as Texas State Troopers in their Dodge Charger or Chevy Tahoes (or possibly a county Sheriff or local city/town Police Department patrol officer)  will have you on the side of the road writing a summons for 50 miles per hour over the posted speed limit.   Just sayin.

However, if you keep it at a steady 90 +/- they'll generally leave you alone, at least from personal experience.  But, I'm sure there are of course those times when the LEO is just in a 'bear' (no pun intended) of a mood and will write you for 5 or 6 over the limit.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @3    3 months ago

Here they usually allow 4 0r 5 mph over the limit.

They like to sit on the interstate. It is funny because everyone slows down, then when past the trooper, they all speed back up.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @3.1    3 months ago
It is funny because everyone slows down, then when past the trooper, they all speed back up.

Usually to 20 mph below the actual posted  speed limit too !

Drives me friggin insane !

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @3.1    3 months ago
It is funny because everyone slows down, then when past the trooper, they all speed back up.

What's even funnier here is that quite often, after they speed up, they never see the next Trooper sitting on the on-ramp as they wheel by!!

Lights are on before the Trooper even starts rolling!!  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    3 months ago
Not everyone buys that argument 

or will be buying that car.

besides, im not sure they have met the motorheads in the usa.

any part, govenor, or computer program holding a car back can be replaced, removed, and or rewritten.

they will have those cars on the dragstrip in no time flat

back yard mechanics in this country will make a game out of it.

if they love the car but hate limits - they can simply replace the motor with a blown 350 small-block :)

 
 
 
Ender
4.1  Ender  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    3 months ago

Thought the same. There is always a way around things.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Ender @4.1    3 months ago

regulations only unleash the awesome creativity of man.

cheers :)

 
 
 
It Is ME
5  It Is ME    3 months ago

"What’s clear is the debate over vehicle speeds is only going to continue."

Can't wait for some dipshit in congress to propose some idiotic rule that makes car companies put a governor on ALL new cars to limit their speeds to 55 mph max.. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
charger 383
6  charger 383    3 months ago

I would not like a car like that.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
7  It Is ME    3 months ago

If ya think about it, 37,000 deaths due to "High Speed" in 25 years, ain't bad at all, if you compare it to the yearly automotive deaths that occur from "Other" (37,000/year).

I'll take my chances with "High Speed" then.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  It Is ME @7    3 months ago

was just going to make the same point.

37,000 deaths in 25yrs?  with over 20,000 cities in our country?

 this is so not even a national emergency of any kind.

automakers are now under increasing pressure.

I'm calling bs here...  the consumer is king.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1    3 months ago

Some Politician always has this need to "Restrict" based on some "Study" or another, and it sucks !

 
 
 
Freefaller
8  Freefaller    3 months ago

Can't say whether it's a right or not but as sufferer of LFSCS (lead foot speed creep syndrome) I thank god everyday for the invention of cruise control.  It has saved me a lot of money oven the years

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9  Trout Giggles    3 months ago

I treat speed limits like suggestions

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @9    3 months ago
I treat speed limits like suggestions

They're not?????

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1    3 months ago

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
charger 383
10  charger 383    3 months ago

Speed limits are more for revenue generation than safety 

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11  Phoenyx13    3 months ago

a very interesting article and corresponding comments with bragging about circumventing laws and not being caught.... very interesting... i suppose it's fun to plan how to circumvent laws and not get caught, or just factor in breaking the law to your trip.... is it ok just because of the law that's being broke (the speed limit) ?

 
 
 
Ender
11.1  Ender  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11    3 months ago

For the land of the free, we sure have a lot of laws.

Even Germany has the Autobahn.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.1  Phoenyx13  replied to  Ender @11.1    3 months ago
For the land of the free, we sure have a lot of laws. Even Germany has the Autobahn.

tis true - we do have a lot of laws. i guess it's "cool" to break some and not so cool to break others ? (i love the Autobahn, but i don't think that would work in the USA.)

 
 
 
Ender
11.1.2  Ender  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.1    3 months ago

Eh, everyone has probably jay-walked before.

Lets just say that I do slow down for school zones.

love the Autobahn, but i don't think that would work in the USA

True. A lot of idiot drivers around.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.3  Phoenyx13  replied to  Ender @11.1.2    3 months ago
Eh, everyone has probably jay-walked before.

oh probably true, myself included. Except i'm not giving tips on circumventing laws or advice on how to handle law enforcement... but to each their own.. it's just odd that on other articles many people are all up in arms about lawbreakers and yet here they brag about being lawbreakers and give advice on it.... it's very interesting to me :) i guess some laws are "cool" to break and others aren't... i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories...

Lets just say that I do slow down for school zones.

very good to hear

True. A lot of idiot drivers around.

absolutely !

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.3    3 months ago
i guess some laws are "cool" to break and others aren't... i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories..

I know lots of people who think it is cool to break immigration laws.

That's a start to your list.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.5  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.4    3 months ago
I know lots of people who think it is cool to break immigration laws. That's a start to your list.

oh ? so in your opinion - immigration laws are cool to break ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.5    3 months ago
oh ? so in your opinion - immigration laws are cool to break ?

WHAT?

Did you read what I wrote?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.7  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.6    3 months ago
WHAT? Did you read what I wrote?

WHAT ? you couldn't answer the question about your own personal opinion ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.7    3 months ago

Sorry, it was such an inane question I was momentarily taken aback.

Of course I don't think it is cool to break immigration laws. That's why I don't.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.3    3 months ago

It's a game to me. If I get caught speeding, I just take my ticket and politely thank the officer and go on my way...

....of course I've only been stopped 3 times and haven't received a ticket yet.....

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.10  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.8    3 months ago
Sorry, it was such an inane question I was momentarily taken aback. Of course I don't think it is cool to break immigration laws. That's why I don't.

ok, so immigration laws are in the "not cool to break" category... so what about speed limits ? do you break those because it's "cool" or do you obey them because it's "not cool to break" them ?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.11  Phoenyx13  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.9    3 months ago
It's a game to me. If I get caught speeding, I just take my ticket and politely thank the officer and go on my way... ....of course I've only been stopped 3 times and haven't received a ticket yet.....

ah gotcha. do you think it's ok to break speed limits but not ok to break other laws ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.10    3 months ago
ok, so immigration laws are in the "not cool to break" category.

Perhaps to you. I know lots of people who don't mind breaking immigration laws at all. I dare say some probably think it is cool.

so what about speed limits ? do you break those because it's "cool" or do you obey them because it's "not cool to break" them ?

I'm all for speed limits. I don't break them because I think it is cool nor do I obey them because I think it is cool.

All I was doing was trying to help you with that list you seemed to want.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.13  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.12    3 months ago
Perhaps to you. I know lots of people who don't mind breaking immigration laws at all. I dare say some probably think it is cool.

are those people on this article or commenting on this article ? ... or did you not comprehend my comment you initially replied to:

it's just odd that on other articles many people are all up in arms about lawbreakers and yet here they brag about being lawbreakers and give advice on it.... it's very interesting to mei guess some laws are "cool" to break and others aren't... i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories...

i even bolded (and increased the font size) for you to help you out this time. Please let me know if you need any further help.

I'm all for speed limits. I don't break them because I think it is cool nor do I obey them because I think it is cool.

ah ok, thanks for the info :)

All I was doing was trying to help you with that list you seemed to want.

well you helped with your opinion, but your initial comment was not helpful since these "people" you know are probably not on this article.

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.13    3 months ago
are those people on this article or commenting on this article ? ..

I suspect some are. That wasn't what you initially asked.

or did you not comprehend my comment you initially replied to:

My comprehension is just fine. Yours appears to be lacking.

Part of your comment I responded to is this:

i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories...

And I responded with:

i guess some laws are "cool" to break and others aren't... i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories..
I know lots of people who think it is cool to break immigration laws.
That's a start to your list.

I didn't claim they were here, nor is it what you asked.

ah ok, thanks for the info

You're welcome. I don't mind answering when you ask nicely.

well you helped with your opinion, but your initial comment was not helpful since these "people" you know are probably not on this article.

My initial comment was specifically answering something you said you wished you had--a list of what laws are cool to break and which aren't.

Do what you will with that!

jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.15  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.14    3 months ago
I suspect some are. That wasn't what you initially asked.
or did you not comprehend my comment you initially replied to:

My comprehension is just fine. Yours appears to be lacking.

Part of your comment I responded to is this:

i wish i had a list of which laws fell into which categories...

yes, you responded to that which was preceded by..... (are you ready ?)... this !:

it's just odd that on other articles many people are all up in arms about lawbreakers and yet here they brag about being lawbreakers and give advice on it.... it's very interesting to mei guess some laws are "cool" to break and others aren't...

so yes, your comprehension appears to be lacking since i wish i had a listdue to the comments already made on this article... i guess context goes along with comprehension ? it's not like i was asking for a random list from "people" you supposedly know, right ?

I didn't claim they were here, nor is it what you asked.

don't forget about context ok ?

You're welcome. I don't mind answering when you ask nicely.

awesome :)

Do what you will with that!

i did :) you seem pretty consistent with laws and adhering to them - so thanks :)

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  Phoenyx13 @11.1.11    3 months ago

Sometimes I jaywalk. And speeding and jaywalking are not victimless crimes so I'm bad for doing that.

But I don't cheat on my taxes.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
11.1.17  Phoenyx13  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.16    2 months ago
Sometimes I jaywalk. And speeding and jaywalking are not victimless crimes so I'm bad for doing that.

ah good. you acknowledge that breaking the law is bad so you don't advocate to break the laws or give advice on how to handle law enforcement if you intentionally break the law - that's good :)

But I don't cheat on my taxes.

it's always stupid to cheat on your taxes in my opinion - they eventually catch up to you.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12  Freedom Warrior    3 months ago

I don't believe in speed limits.  If you are incapable of driving safely then leave the driving to someone else.  And stay the fuck out of my way.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
12.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freedom Warrior @12    3 months ago

You're the jerk that tailgates in the slow lane, aren't you?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12.1.1  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1    3 months ago

Taligate? Hell NO.   I'll run their fucking ass off the road.

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Freedom Warrior @12.1.1    3 months ago
 I'll run their fucking ass off the road.

No you wouldn't, it's easy to be tough on the internet but in reality you know you'd obey the law rather than risk being thrown in jail 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
12.1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Freefaller @12.1.2    3 months ago
No you wouldn't, it's easy to be tough

Tell that to the skank that tried passing me on the entrance ramp right by the end and then discovered, I WAS NOT moving or slowing down.   I remember seeing her spinning in the wet grass as I continued on my merry way.

I guess she never learned that the YIELD sign on the on ramp was meant for the people ON the on ramp and not those on the interstate and it had another meaning if yielding was impossible.  STOP.

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.4  Freefaller  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.3    3 months ago
Tell that to the skank that tried passing me

Sure give me her name and number.

 
 
 
epistte
12.1.5  epistte  replied to  XDm9mm @12.1.3    3 months ago
I guess she never learned that the YIELD sign on the on ramp was meant for the people ON the on ramp and not those on the interstate and it had another meaning if yielding was impossible.  STOP.

You are supposed to move over and give the entering cars room.  If she was driving fast enough to be able to blend into traffic, a driver cannot stop in that distance.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12.1.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freefaller @12.1.2    2 months ago

Dude!   You have no idea how many people eaten it in my wake.

Some try to retaliate of course.  But most end up losing in the end.

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.7  Freefaller  replied to  Freedom Warrior @12.1.6    2 months ago

Lol, sure they have

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12.1.8  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Freefaller @12.1.7    2 months ago

See for yourself.

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.9  Freefaller  replied to  Freedom Warrior @12.1.8    2 months ago

LMAO.  I don't know if you're trying to be funny or pathetic but thanks for the laugh either way

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
12.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Freefaller @12.1.9    2 months ago

He's trying to be an internet tough guy. I ain't buying it.

 
 
 
Freefaller
12.1.11  Freefaller  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.10    2 months ago

Me neither

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12.1.12  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Trout Giggles @12.1.10    2 months ago

It's not for sale.  Either you have it or you don't.  

Just yesterday for example had a guy assault me with his vehicle.  Guess what, when I challenged him the gutless punk wouldn't get out from behind the wheel.

 
 
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