Another Act of White Supremacist Terror. When Will GOP Leaders Say Enough?

  
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Another Act of White Supremacist Terror. When Will GOP Leaders Say Enough?
These are only the latest in a series of escalating terrorist acts against non-Christians and non-whites in the wake of Donald Trump’s ascent to the Republican nomination and the presidency. Donald Trump, of course, doesn’t care: this is his base, as is obvious from even a cursory visit to any heavily pro-Trump forum on Fox News, Reddit, Voat, Gab or elsewhere.

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Another Act of White Supremacist Terror. When Will GOP Leaders Say Enough?


Posted:Sun, 28 Apr 2019 04:34:10 +0000


Two horrific acts of terrorism were committed this weekend against non-Christians. One by an Islamophobic Christian supremacist terrorist mistakenly targeting Sikhs (again), and one by an anti-Semitic white supremacist terrorist spouting “replacement theory” smears.

In the first case, a man whose father was a pastor and who was suffering mental illness in part due to service in Iraq, drove into a family of Sikhs in Sunnyvale, California, allegedly believing they were Muslims. A 13-year-old girl is now in a coma and fighting for her life as result. The terrorist was allegedly on his way to a Bible study group and praising Jesus when authorities caught him.

In the second, a white supremacist took credit for an arsonist attack against a mosque last month, only after gunning down several people at a synagogue in Poway, California, killing one. He apparently wrote a anti-Semitic manifesto containing many of the same slanders against Jews found ubiquitously on conservative message boards across the internet, and that fueled the rise of Nazism in Weimar Germany: that Jews are intentionally enabling non-white populations to grow in America and Europe in order to replace the white race. That the theory is utterly bogus doesn’t matter: large parts of the conservative movements in the Anglosphere and elsewhere believe in it, and white supremacist terrorists have increasingly begun to act on it.

These are only the latest in a series of escalating terrorist acts against non-Christians and non-whites in the wake of Donald Trump’s ascent to the Republican nomination and the presidency. Donald Trump, of course, doesn’t care: this is his base, as is obvious from even a cursory visit to any heavily pro-Trump forum on Fox News, Reddit, Voat, Gab or elsewhere. White supremacist, anti-Semitic, Islamophobic and misogynist rhetoric runs rampant across the entirety of the conservative movement, and the transformation of the Republican Party into a vehicle of violent white male grievance has rapidly accelerated its longtime trend under Trump.  It’s also no surprise that the president is doing less than nothing to stop it.

After all, in the wake of neo-nazi protests in Charlottesville allegedly to protect worshipful monuments to those who turned traitors to the United States in armed defense of race-based chattel slavery, Donald Trump didn’t want to make a statement for several days and then ultimately said that there were “very fine people on both sides.” Among the chants of those very fine people? “Jews will not replace us.” The same conspiracy theory that drove the terrorist attack in Poway today. Trump doesn’t care, though. Today is also the day when he congratulated the white player picked second in the NFL draft, while ignoring the black player picked first. This is what he does. This is who he is. He knows his base, and he doesn’t care about anyone else. Beyond personal graft, enabling them is the core rationale behind his presidency.

The Democratic Party and the nation’s liberals are almost irrelevant to this conversation. Arguments among progressives and liberals persist as to the depth of the bigotry among the least committed portions of Trump’s voters, just how many of them may or may not be persuaded to vote against Republicans on the basis of economic appeals, and how best to energize the infrequent voters among core Democratic constituencies including women, youth and people of color. But functionally speaking, that argument is a strategic one over perhaps a 4-5% slice of the electorate. It’s a tactically crucial question that could make the difference between a Democratic landslide and a devastating narrow loss setting progress back for over a generation. But it doesn’t change all that much when considering the broad partisan direction of 90% of the country.

The more important question now is what the rest of the Republican leadership will do, and what the conservative infotainment complex will do.

As older, whiter, more male and more socially conservative voters decline as a portion of the electorate, the Republican Party has become increasingly hostile to democracy itself. Gerrymandering, census manipulation, poll taxes, power grabs against branches of government they don’t control, voter suppression, and legislative intimidation against voter registration can all be done with little public fanfare to help them delay the inevitable.

But violent acts of terrorism by their own base are much harder to sweep under the rug. And vague statements of general condemnation against violence won’t cut it as these despicable acts continue to increase, and as the Republican Party becomes increasingly associated with it. Whatever remains of the mushy middle of American politics is allergic to conflict, extremism and violence–and as conservative politics are increasingly associated with violent extremism, Republican room for electoral maneuvering decreases.

Conservative infotainment on cable news and the AM radio can maintain their radicalized audiences longer than the Republican Party can sustain its position: after all, a small population can keep conservative media in business much longer than it can continue to deliver majoritarian wins for one of America’s two major political parties, even buoyed by political affirmative action for older, rural white voters. But conservative media has its own problem: advertisers. Corporate America knows where its future customer base is, and it’s not with the Fox News audience. So ultimately even the likes of the Murdoch family, Clear Channel and Sinclair Broadcast Group will feel the hit from the abandonment of advertisers.

And that is all just tactical. Morally, how long can whatever is left of decency among Republican opinion leaders sustain the current trends as its base descends into radical violent extremism? We certainly haven’t hit rock bottom yet. Maybe there isn’t one, but common sense dictates that at least some portions of conservative intelligentsia must have a breaking point.

At what point, either out of moral revulsion, sense of patriotic duty or sheer self-preservation, do Republican leaders start to try to put out the fire instead of fanning the flames? How many more deaths will it take?

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

White nationalism is not a glitch of the Trump support, it is a feature. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

Over on Gab where a few actual white nationalists post they  no longer support Trump because of his support of Israel. Even David Duke now supports the Democrats. 

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.1.1  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.1    3 months ago
 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.2  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.1.1    3 months ago

Tulsi Gabbard is an isolationist, which probably accounts for Duke's support for her. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.1.1    3 months ago

Dr. David Duke: No! I Did not Endorse Tulsi Gabbard for ...

https://davidduke.com/dr-david-duke-no-i-did-not-endorse-tulsi...

Dr. David Duke: No! I Did not Endorse Tulsi Gabbard for President. I must make it clear that I did not endorse Tulsi Gabbard for President yesterday, but I do endorse her efforts to stop these insane Neocon Zionist wars for Israel in the Mideast and that even threatens us with a catastrophic war with Russia, a nation which has simply dared to ...

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.1.5  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.3    3 months ago

And this "this schmuck endorsed [fill in any Dem name here]!!!" is bullshit of the highest stench.  What matters is whether a candidate asks for or accepts such an endorsement.  A whole lot of racist, fascist low lifes can claim they've endorsed someone in order to tarnish him or her and that's what rightwingers hope to do with these phony reports.   It's the pukefunnel's favorite tactic.  And there are plenty of NTers happy to slop that garbage here. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

That's simply not true. It's made up.

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.1  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @1.2    3 months ago

Actually you are wrong.  Trump and the republicans want ignore domestic terrorism because of their base, of course, like everything.  Follow the money, or in this case the lack of money.   Here is more proof:

https://newrepublic.com/article/152675/database-showed-far-right-terror-rise-trump-defunded-it

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-will-apparently-not-renew-program-fight-domestic-terror-n926361

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration, which already canceled a grant for a group that fights white supremacist terror, now appears unwilling to renew the anti-domestic terror program under which it was funded, despite recent high-profile attacks like the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting and data showing a spike in attacks on religious minorities.

The Obama administration launched the Countering Violent Extremism Grant Program in 2016 to fight domestic terrorism. Managed by the Department of Homeland Security, the program was given $10 million to distribute.

In the last days of the Obama administration, DHS awarded the money to more than two dozen groups around the country to counter violent extremism of all kinds, including right-wing extremism. Data from the Global Terrorism Database shows there was a spike in attacks on American religious organizations in 2016-17.
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
1.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lib50 @1.2.1    3 months ago
Trump and the republicans want ignore domestic terrorism because of their base, of course, like everything.

When he talks about being the victim of a coup that's a dog-whistle for insurrection which is a high crime.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
1.2.3  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @1.2.1    3 months ago
Actually you are wrong.

No, I'm right. I have posted - in multiple places around here - video of Trump condemning white nationalism. Watch it. Hear it. The press keeps misrepresenting his remarks. Admit it happened or we can't talk honestly.

https://youtu.be/KfummC9nTRE?t=247

Trump and the republicans want ignore domestic terrorism

If that were true, this wouldn't have happened:

L.A. terror plot thwarted: Army vet planned ‘mass casualties,’ FBI says

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.4  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.3    3 months ago

They cut the budget, read my links.  Domestic terrorism is more deadly than international for Americans right now, and Trump cut the budget.  They want to suppress information about right wing groups too.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/04/26/joe-biden-charlotesville-trump-adl-white-supremacy-column/3575579002/

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/11/01/when-fighting-domestic-terrorism-you-get-what-you-pay-for-antisemitism-far-right-countering-violent-extremism-jihadists/

Much has been written about how the Trump administration eviscerated former President Barack Obama’s limited efforts to put in place the building blocks for this architecture. This included a $10 million federal program to support locally led efforts to prevent and counter all forms of violent extremism.

Unfortunately, Trump’s Department of Homeland Security budget has eliminated money for that initiative, thanks to former DHS Secretary John Kelly’s decision to withdraw funding for organizations focusing on right-wing domestic extremists.

The Trump team also slashed the funding and staff for the small countering violent extremism community partnership office and disbanded the interagency task force that had created space for critical nonsecurity federal actors such as the Departments of Health and Human Services and Education to get into the game. And finally, the name of the small office at DHS was changed from Countering Violent Extremism to “Terrorism Prevention Partnerships.” The name change only further complicates the goal of building trust and partnership between the federal government and key communities that are best-placed to identify individuals vulnerable to extremist propaganda.

Finally, the White House continues to ignore the congressional requirement to submit a “comprehensive, interagency national strategy for countering violent extremism,” which was due in June. Apparently the White House now thinks the just-released national counterterrorism framework, which eschews the term “countering violent extremism” and devotes little attention to the domestic situation, does the job. It does not. The fact is that Washington has provided neither funding nor a comprehensive strategy to prevent violent extremist attacks in the United States.
 
 
 
Tacos!
1.2.5  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @1.2.4    3 months ago
They cut the budget,

So? You said they wanted to ignore the problem. I see no evidence of that. Budgets get reduced all the time. It doesn't mean people are trying to ignore the problem. Defense spending declined quite a bit during Obama's second term. Am I supposed to conclude from that that he wanted to ignore his responsibility to protect the country?

Back on topic, are you prepared to acknowledge that Trump said white supremacists and neo-nazis should be condemned?

 
 
 
lib50
1.2.6  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.5    3 months ago
Have to post this a different way. 
 
 
 
lib50
1.2.7  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.5    3 months ago

Bootstraps, man.  Do a little work if you want to know what's going on in Trumpland they don't want you to know. How does this show a priority for domestic terrorism?  Actions speak volumes. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/department-of-homeland-security-admits-that-it-restructured-domestic-terror-team/

Amid reports that it "disbanded" the unit that was focused on domestic terrorism, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is admitted Tuesday that it has "restructured" the team that once fed information about domestic terrorism and white supremacist groups to local police departments.

DHS is now acknowledging changes in its intelligence gathering, as some former department officials tell CBS News that the unit at issue wasn't disbanded but "gutted" at the worst time – just as threats from domestic terrorists and white supremacist groups increased.

Late last month, in response to a CBS News report on the issue, DHS would not address questions about whether the unit had been "gutted." However, the department did insist that it "is committed to combating all forms of violent extremism, especially movements that espouse racial supremacy or bigotry."

On Tuesday, the department was forced to address the issue again after The Daily Beast reported that DHS had disbanded its domestic terror intelligence unit. DHS now says the unit was restructured last year, but its top intelligence official disputes accusations that DHS has decreased its domestic terrorism-related intelligence gathering.

"The Office of Intelligence and Analysis has significantly increased (up 40-percent) tactical intelligence reporting on domestic terrorists and homegrown violent extremists wanting to commit violent acts against persons or property," Under Secretary David Glawe told CBS News. "Violent extremism to the homeland with triggers such as radical ideology white supremacy is an absolute top priority."

Last month, Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said Islamist militants and those they inspire are the primary terrorist threat to the United States. But she added: "We should not—and cannot—ignore the real and serious danger posed by domestic terrorists."

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) released a statement Tuesday saying that DHS' action "defies logic." Jonathan Greenblatt, the ADL's CEO and national director, also accused the Trump Administration of "chipping away at our nation's ability to address a deadly serious national security threat: right-wing extremism."

According to the ADL, in 2018 alone, domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the U.S., the fourth deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @1.2.3    3 months ago
video of Trump

Trump is consistent only in his inconsistency. He says high one day and low the next; hot one day and cold the next. "Fine people" one day and something else the next.

His own people don't try to track what he says. "Watch what he does," they say. What he does is promote white supremacy

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @1.2.2    3 months ago
'When he talks about being the victim of a coup that's a dog-whistle for insurrection which is a high crime.' 

Yup, one poster regurgitates that constantly - that the turd is a victim of a coup.   I think the poster I am referring to has been hit in the head with his surfboard one too many times and his Magic Eight Ball is cracked.  WHACK!

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2.10  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @1.2    3 months ago

This for the trolls

Kaine: Trump’s rhetoric ‘emboldens’ white nationalists

By CONNOR O’BRIEN

 

03/17/2019 01:31 PM EDT

Sen. Tim Kaine on Sunday slammed President Donald Trump’s rhetoric in the wake of a shooting that killed 50 people at two mosques in New Zealand.

In an interview on CBS’s “Face the Nation,” Kaine, a Virginia Democrat, ripped Trump for not calling out white nationalists and for “using language that emboldens them.”

“It is on the rise and the president should call it out but sadly he’s not doing that,” Kaine said. “We saw in the aftermath of the horrible attack in Charlottesville that he tried to say that the white supremacists, neo-Nazis, neo-confederates there were just, you know, ‘good people,’” Kaine said.

The accused shooter in Friday’s attack in Christchurch, New Zealand, praised Trump as a symbol of white identity in a lengthy, rambling manifesto filled with anti-immigrant rhetoric.

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Trump mourned that attack in a tweet Friday. But Trump also said he doesn’t view white nationalism as a rising worldwide threat, calling white nationalists “a small group of people that have very, very serious problems, I guess.”

“The president uses language often that’s very similar to the language used by these bigots and racists,” Kaine said. “And if he’s not going to call it out then other leaders have to do more to call it out and I certainly will.”

“I think the president is using language that emboldens them. He’s not creating them. They’re out there,” Kaine said, adding, “That kind of language from the person who probably has the loudest microphone on the planet Earth is hurtful and dangerous and it tends to incite violence.”

Kaine, the 2016 Democratic nominee for vice president, isn’t the only lawmaker criticizing Trump’s rhetoric.

In an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, a candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, said Trump’s language “doesn’t help.”

“I don’t think you can actually take each of the murderous acts and say what role Donald Trump played, but I can tell you this. His rhetoric doesn’t help,” Klobuchar said.

“And many of these people ... have cited Donald Trump along the way,” she said. “So, to me, that means, at the very least, he is dividing people. They are using him as an excuse.”

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.3  Don Overton  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

Dean take a look

Why Trump Is Soft on White-Supremacist Terrorism

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Photo: Spencer Platt/Getty Images

Last week, President Trump repeated his absurd claim that he had never called the Nazi protesters who descended on Charlottesville in 2017 “very fine people.” On Saturday, yet another white-supremacist attack, on a synagogue in California, demonstrated the point that Trump and his allies wish to obscure: Right-wing terrorism is a more extreme version of Trump’s own political style. It draws inspiration from his ideas and some measure of protection from his political power.

Conservatives have long denied any links whatsoever between the brand of white supremacy represented by Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan and Republican-style conservatism. Conservative books like Jonah Goldberg’s Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning and Dinesh D’Souza’s The Big Lie: Exposing the Nazi Roots of the American Left have tried, absurdly, to identify these movements with the left side of the ideological spectrum.

The rise of Donald Trump has made this strained argument preposterous. Trump is not a white supremacist; if I showed you a block of text from one of his speeches side by side with a speech by David Duke, you would be able to tell the difference. But Trump’s rhetoric has excited and mobilized white supremacists because it teases the same theories that they make explicitly. Trump paints unauthorized immigrants as bloodthirsty rapists and murderers and touts their arrival as part of a geopolitical conspiracy to demographically transform the United States.

“A lot of people say” the caravan he hyped was funded by George Soros, Trump suggested last fall. (Trump favorite Lou Dobbs is one of the people who was saying this.) Trump’s closing campaign ad railed against “a global power structure that is responsible for the economic decisions that have robbed our working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities,” juxtaposing this inflammatory claim over images of Soros and other Jewish figures.

The message is surely lost on the vast majority of Trump’s voters, but not on the white-supremacist movement. The shooters in New Zealand, Pittsburgh, and California all articulated this nativist theory in their manifestos.

To be sure, Trump formally denounces terrorist attacks on Jewish and Muslim worshippers. But he is not very good at masking the difference between those condemnations he offers grudgingly and those that have real passion behind them. When asked last month if he considered white-supremacist terror a growing threat, he demurred, “I think it’s a small group of people that have very, very serious problems, I guess.” Trump portrays white supremacists as a tiny force disconnected from politics. In contrast to his rhetoric about ISIS or other Islamist terrorism, which he insists must be labelled Islamic, Trump shrinks from placing white-supremacist terror in its ideological context. Just a handful of crazy nuts with big problems.

Some apologists ascribe the president’s reticence to mere stubbornness: Trump resents being pushed into a corner by the media, they say, and so he refuses to back down from any statement. The problem with this theory is that a certain softness about white-supremacist terror is official Republican doctrine.

In 2009, the Department of Homeland Security wrote a classified report highlighting the dangers of right-wing domestic terrorism. The report outraged conservatives by predicting, accurately, that the election of a black president would stoke far-right violent extremism. One hook Republicans used to discredit the report was its claim that white supremacists would target service members and law enforcement for recruitment, which they claimed was a slur against veterans.

The right’s primary objection to the report was in the link it posited between violent extremism on the one hand and the backlash against Obama and the federal government on the other. “It’s no small coincidence that Napolitano’s agency – referring to Homeland Security director Janet Napolitano – “disseminated the assessment just a week before the nationwide April 15 Tax Day Tea Party protests,” argued Michelle Malkin. The Drudge Report hyped the story with a banner warning, “She Is Watching You.” John Boehner insisted Napolitano “owes the American people an explanation for why she has abandoned using the term ‘terrorist’ to describe those, such as al Qaeda, who are plotting overseas to kill innocent Americans, while her own Department is using the same term to describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation.”

This episode took place at a time when Republicans were committed to presenting the tea party as a movement of principled deficit hawks sincerely concerned about inflation and debt-financed outlays. Yet their backlash against the Homeland Security paper reflected their recognition of a political affinity between their brand of anti-Obama panic and the violent kind identified by the department. The paper did not make the connection between tea-party protests and paranoid or violent extremism; Republicans drew the connection themselves.

The dynamic has only intensified in the Trump era. At a hearing on white-supremacist terrorism earlier this month, Republicans kept derailing the conversation. “Every time Democrats talked about President Trump’s anti-immigrant remarks, or how government agencies should do more to fight the spread of white nationalism, Republicans pivoted to criticism of identity politics, anti-Semitism on the left and off-topic foreign policy issues,” reported NPR.

Republicans do not wish to defend white supremacists, but they feel enough kinship with them to treat them as political allies and to consider measures directed against them as a shared threat. The way you can tell Republicans are soft on white-supremacist terrorism is that white-supremacist terrorism is a partisan issue.

GRAPHIC: White Supremacy and White Nationalism in the Trump Administration
Following eight years of the United States' first black president, Barack Obama, white supremacy and white nationalism have invaded the White House. The current president, Donald Trump, as well as several of the people he has appointed to his administration, have ties to white supremacist and white nationalist individuals, groups and ideas. The following is a chart of those ties; it will be updated if new relationships become apparent.
  • Donald Trump45th President of the United States
    • Stephen "Steve" BannonFormer White House Chief Strategist, Former Special Counselor to the President
      • BreitbartFar-Right Website
    • Stephen MillerSenior Advisor to the President
      • Richard SpencerPresident of the National Policy Institute
    • Jefferson "Jeff" SessionsFormer Attorney General of the United States
    • Sebastian GorkaFormer Deputy Assistant to the President
    • Michael "Mike" T. FlynnFormer National Security Advisor
    • Michael AntonFormer Deputy Assistant to the President for Strategic Communications
    • Ian M. SmithFormer Department of Homeland Security Analyst
    • Darren BeattieFormer Speechwriter for President Trump
DETAILS
Good grief Dean, seems to me that trump love the supremacists
 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
1.4  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 months ago

And you don’t like what I seed.  Your articles headline is clearly inflammatory and the whole article is a giant sweeping generalization made up of multitudes of them and half truths.  The article has no redeeming value.  

 
 
 
JBB
1.4.1  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.4    3 months ago

And yet, it seems that the only person who agreed or even thought that comment of yours had enough value to vote it up was...you.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.4.2  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @1.4    3 months ago
the whole article is a giant sweeping generalization made up of multitudes of them and half truths.  The article has no redeeming value.

oh, the irony...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  seeder  JohnRussell    3 months ago

-david-duke-backs-tulsi-gabbard-for-president

Tulsi Gabbard is extremely eccentric. She has as much chance of winning the nomination as you do. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 months ago
Tulsi Gabbard is extremely eccentric. She has as much chance of winning the nomination as you do.

Which has what to do with David Duke backing her?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    3 months ago

I don't think he is backing her because she is a Democrat. 

We have to answer lame point after lame point on this forum from Trump supporters. It is very tiring. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 months ago
I don't think he is backing her because she is a Democrat.

Interesting that you didn't employ the very same "logic" when Duke has endorsed any Republican.

Some might even call that being hypocritical.

We have to answer lame point after lame point on this forum from Trump supporters. It is very tiring.

No one is forcing you to defend Democrats or to hate Trump. That is all on you and your choices. Own it.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    3 months ago

anyone, thinking every person in any political party is racist or whatever because david duke said this or that yesterday or last year is mind-bogglingly stupid. I can't believe anyone would even attempt the argument, either way to begin with.   "comical almost describes it, but it still needs work, it is not a polished comedy routine just yet.

   most get their info from the horse's mouth but david duke said...

so, let's hear it from the horse's ass and call that fact.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.2    3 months ago

I don't "hate" Trump. I don't hate anyone that I do not know personally, and not even really any of those.  

He's a moron and a despicable human being, who has no business representing this country in any capacity whatsoever.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.5  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    3 months ago
I don't hate anyone that I do not know personally,

no, you just claim they are racist and should be ashamed while calling them stupid.

yepp, yer the nicest, most reasonable person I have ever met online, without a doubt. so we should bow to your moral judgments as they are certainly above reproach.

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Texan1211
2.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.4    3 months ago
I don't "hate" Trump. I don't hate anyone that I do not know personally, and not even really any of those.
He's a moron and a despicable human being, who has no business representing this country in any capacity whatsoever.

Your choices in seeded articles and your comments tell the real truth.

You aren't fooling anyone.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.5    3 months ago

Fucking unreal, right?

LMFAO!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.8  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.6    3 months ago

Do you "love" Trump? 

This forum is filled with nonsense. It is a shame. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.9  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.8    3 months ago
This forum is filled with nonsense. It is a shame. 

maybe if you posted less about how everyone who voted trump should be ashamed?

might help. just sayin. judge not lest ye be judged

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.10  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.9    3 months ago
maybe if you posted less about how everyone who voted trump should be ashamed?

You want me to lie? tsk tsk

Trump voters are the precise reason we are in this mess.

Is Donald Trump the only Republican that can preside over a successful economy? 

He is going to go down as the worst president in the 240 year history of our country, there is no doubt about it. He is not fit to hold the office.  Who are the ones who say he is? His supporters, his voters. They are responsible. He is an unethical ignoramus, but he is not responsible for him being in office, his voters are. The people who continue to support him in the face of a mountain of evidence that he is unfit. 

I am just putting the blame where it belongs. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 months ago
I don't "hate" Trump. I don't hate anyone that I do not know personally, and not even really any of those.
He's a moron and a despicable human being, who has no business representing this country in any capacity whatsoever.

Your own posts always tell the real truth about your Trump hatred.. Claiming not to hate Trump is a little silly at this late stage after hundreds of articles and thousands of posts telling us otherwise.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 months ago
Fucking unreal, right?

seriously, I never hear anything from david duke unless the left tells me what he said... LOL

 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.1.13  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 months ago
I am just putting the blame where it belongs.

you, "putting blame?   LOL, too funny

we are "taking credit.

and we will do it again

you support people who fabricated evidence, tried to overthrow the results of an election and oust a sitting president.  and yet you claim to be morally superior and you are fit to judge others... 

that high horse your on just threw a shoe. it won't go far like that.

 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.1.14  XDm9mm  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.11    3 months ago
Your own posts always tell the real truth about your Trump hatred.

Some simply can't accept the reality of their own TDS affliction unless they post 4, 5, 6 or more vitriolic anti-Trump anti Republican diatribes daily.

I've gotten to the point that I actually believe it's funny.  And it's a distinct possibility that some posters are actually parts of the failed Russian campaign Mueller investigated trying to continue and foment discord in American politics.

That IRA is a crafty lot of Ruskies.  Idiots all, but crafty none the less.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.15  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 months ago

That's because we have to respond to all your really lame and untrue seeds, points, and comments.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.16  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 months ago

I think you are a closet Trump admirer and are just being ornery.

You seemingly just post all this anti-Trump tripe to gain attention

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.17  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.16    3 months ago

You are a bla bla bla guy Greg. 

Why don't you write or seed an article so we can see where you are coming from?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.18  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1    3 months ago
Which has what to do with David Duke backing her?

So, you do admit that Scumbag is responsible for every multiple murderer who compliments him, then. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.19  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.14    3 months ago
Idiots all, but crafty none the less.

You mean like the Scumbaggists  (i.e., Scumbag, Jr., Mr." Ivanka", e.g.) who had secret meetings with them during the campaign and even after the election who were too stupid (according to the Mueller report) to realize what they were doing was illegal?  Those idiots?  Mr. "Ivanka" was actually caught trying to arrange a secret back channel out of the Russian embassy so he'd be able to talk with those "stupid ruskies" without being detected.  The people you alleged "patriots" support.....my, oh my. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.18    3 months ago

Your lack of understanding standard English is enough to boggle the mind.

Maybe in your little world, 

Which has what to do with David Duke backing her?

in response to this

Tulsi Gabbard is extremely eccentric. She has as much chance of winning the nomination as you do.

is an "admission" of sorts. 

One of the very strangest meanings ever devised for something wholly unrelated.

Good job at being a master deflector.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.21  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 months ago
Fucking unreal, right?
LMFAO!

Shouldn't you be "SMHing" as well, Tex?  What about OMGing?  You want "real," Tex?   It's about to get "real" when Robert Mueller gives public testimony about his report and one after another current or former Scumbag associate of any kind whom he questioned is put under oath in public hearings and tells his or her story where the American public can see and hear them.  You may be too young to remember (and too afraid to find out)  what an effect that had on public opinion when John Dean (the Don McGahn of his day) became famous in that way in 1973.  By the time he was done, Nixon's fate was sealed. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.21    3 months ago
Shouldn't you be "SMHing" as well, Tex? What about OMGing? You want "real," Tex? It's about to get "real" when Robert Mueller gives public testimony about his report and one after another current or former Scumbag associate of any kind whom he questioned is put under oath in public hearings and tells his or her story where the American public can see and hear them. You may be too young to remember (and too afraid to find out) what an effect that had on public opinion when John Dean (the Don McGahn of his day) became famous in that way in 1973. By the time he was done, Nixon's fate was sealed.

Blah, blah, blah.

You have the vaunted Mueller Report.

When will impeachment start?

Any time this freaking YEAR????

Come on, what is taking soooooo long?

No guts in Democratic Congress?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.23  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.22    3 months ago

Why are you so frightened, Tex?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.23    3 months ago

I m not frightened--beyond wondering what the hell the world would look like if people like AOC run the Democratic Party.

I'm still hoping saner heads will prevail, but I haven't seen any evidence of that coming from the DNC yet.

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.25  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.7    3 months ago

Yes you two are.  Keep your head in the sand 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.26  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.10    3 months ago

We're going to be responsible to help him get reelected.

You're just a broken record as far as we are concerned.

Thankfully you're on an uninspiring little website that hardly anyone knows, or cares, about and end up just jabbering to the faithful.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @2.1.25    3 months ago
Yes you two are. Keep your head in the sand

Wow.

We have never met, and you think you know me well enough to tell me what I feel?

Can you also guess what I think based on your wonderful physic abilities?

Do you have an 800 number I can call like Miss Cleo?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.28  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.17    3 months ago

I'm too important and talented to waste too much time here.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.29  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.20    3 months ago
Your lack of understanding standard English is enough to boggle the mind.

This from you, who revealed to us today you don't even know what a comma is used for. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.30  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.5    3 months ago

You are shown time and again the hate and racism from your demigod and ignore it all

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.31  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.5    3 months ago

[Removed]

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.32  Don Overton  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.9    3 months ago

And you prove why it is.  Who were you on NV

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.1.33  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.28    3 months ago
I'm too important and talented to waste too much time here.

You have posted dozens of comments to this forum. If you had any "talent" for this thing it would have peeked through the nonsense by now.  

Your contribution is sort of like a broken chair, sitting quietly in a corner. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
2.1.34  Bob Nelson  replied to  Don Overton @2.1.30    3 months ago
You are shown time and again the hate and racism from your demigod and ignore it all

Exactly. You can present incontrovertible evidence every day, and they will persist.

Trying to convince them is a waste of time. There might once have been a few open-minded folks, here on NT, needing additional information in order to decide... but they are long gone, disgusted by the unending flow of Red Meat crap that now characterizes the site.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.35  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.20    3 months ago

That load of babble doesn't have anything to do with the comment I posted.  Congratulations for yet again hitting the bullseye on your own foot. 

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.36  lib50  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.35    3 months ago

I knew who you were talking about as soon as I saw your comment. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.35    3 months ago

I am real sorry, but I have no control over what you refuse to understand.

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.38  XXJefferson#51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.1    3 months ago

Maybe he’s backing her because she’s just as white as Obama is and because she’s not a Christian?  Seriously Duke is an idiot and that doesn’t change as he goes back and forth between the two parties over his life.  Personally, she’s one democrat I’d feel reasonably comfortable with if she became our President.  Because as a retired member of the military even though her tax and economic policy might make me uneasy, I have full trust that she would keep our military ready to meet any potential foe and would protect our internal security from international terrorism of all kinds.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.39  XXJefferson#51  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.5    3 months ago

Amen 🙏 and so well said.  A thousand jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif 

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
2.1.40  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.20    3 months ago

or a master debater. jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.41  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.37    2 months ago
I am real sorry

Some self-awareness--at last.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.42  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @2.1.38    2 months ago

It almost hurts to admit this but that comment may not be as ridiculous as we've come to expect from you.  I think your saying that an uninvited and unwelcome endorsement from someone like Duke is meaningless (and could very well be meant to smear her since that's how several of your ilk are using it).  You do reveal, again, how you apply the very unAmerican (not to mention unconstitutional) religious test to candidates for public office but we've always known that.  And I don't buy for a second that you'd actually vote for her.  And I won't change my basic opinion of you (as expressed on a particular group).  But, I guess I should allow that there could be something redeemable here.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @2.1.41    2 months ago

Ah! 

Couldn't make it through the whole sentence, I see.

Too long for you?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.44  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.43    2 months ago
Too long for you?

Quite the opposite, Tex.  The part I selected was both the exactly accurate description of the writer and just the right length.  I like concision, don't you?  And, I applaud the fact that you actually got something right even if unwittingly.  I would say (and I don't normally play the grammar card but I know you're a stickler) the proper word would have been "really" since you need an adverb rather than an adjective in that sentence.  Glad to help out when I can.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.45  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.1.12    2 months ago
seriously, I never hear anything from david duke unless the left tells me what he said... LOL

Seriously?  The false claim that  Duke endorsed Gabbard came from one of you (by way of the rightwing pukefunnel Washington Times outlet). Specifically one Dean Moriarty at 1.1.1 above.   Pay attention!

 
 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
2.1.47  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Dean Moriarty @2.1.46    2 months ago

So, you're admitting to lying then.  Good for you, Dean.  Keep it up.  You've got a lot of them to fess up to. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    3 months ago

The shooter called Trump "a Zionist, Jew-loving, anti-White, traitorous cocksucker ” and attacked conservatives.

But John desperately need you to believe this is "Trump's base."

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    3 months ago
But John desperately need you to believe this is "Trump's base."

Maybe it's the fact that Scumbag called someone like this "very fine [people]."  But, we don't need every single one of the scum that do this kind of thing to link directly to your Scumbag.  The fact that nearly every other one of them* has had at least complimentary if not laudatory things about your Scumbag is already enough. 

*The Pittsburgh and Christchurch mass murderers, and Sayoc, the pipe bomb sender.  Hasson, the Coast Gurard officer who planned to murder "all" the Jews he could also used language that was identical to Scumbag's denunciation of foreigners of color or of particular religion. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1    3 months ago
Maybe it's the fact that Scumbag called someone like this "very fine [people]." 

That's not true.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.1    3 months ago
That's not true.

Oh, but it is precisely true.  He didn't just say that in the immediate aftermath of the nazi torch parade in Charlotteville but just  last week called it a "perfect comment" and stuck by it.  As a way of justifying support for him do you just seal yourself off from knowing who he is and what he says and does? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.2    3 months ago

We aren't responsible for YOUR interpretation of Trump's remarks.

Anyone can read what he said, and knowledgeable people can see what he said and can be okay with it.

[Deleted]

Here is EXACTLY what Trump said:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/...

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.2    3 months ago
Oh, but it is precisely true.

Then you will please provide a link to a video of Trump saying a murderer is a very fine person. Or retract your lie.

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.1.5  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.1    3 months ago

[delete]

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1    3 months ago

You're just making stuff up, how about some sources?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.7  Greg Jones  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.2    3 months ago
As a way of justifying support for him do you just seal yourself off from knowing who he is and what he says and does? 

He doesn't support white nationalism or groups like the KKK. Any comments to the contrary are simply lies. How come Obama never denounced black on black crime, like what continues to happen in last metro areas like Chicago.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.3    3 months ago
We aren't responsible for YOUR interpretation of Trump's remarks.

And you're the last person who'd we consult for that.  Oh, and the link you gave us that was going to prove your point gave us this:

384

Tex, let me thank you again for existing because it saves me from having to invent you. 

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.9  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.1    3 months ago

Stop lying and trying to Trumpsplain 'what he really meant'.  We can all listen and decide for ourselves.  He did say white nationalists were very fine people in that comment (I know exactly where the 'on both sides' belongs, it adds nothing to your defense).  You forget we have the context of multiple 'explanations' over time, and his comments and behavior over other racist or supremacist crimes.  We get to make our own judgement.   Don't try to minimize his race baiting hate, we see it all the time. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @3.1.9    3 months ago
He did say white nationalists were very fine people in that comment

Where? What were his exact words? What you are saying is simply not true.

No explanation is necessary. You are denying the truth right in front of you. Clearly you didn't watch the video.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.1.11  Colour Me Free  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.10    3 months ago
"Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."
-President Trump

Context is everything Tacos!  There is no convincing the left of that Trump was not necessarily speaking of supremacists when stating '…very fine people, on both sides.'  There were other people that were not members of supremacists groups protesting the statues removal.. as there were those that had nothing to do with Antifa counter protesting.

Just as the right will not take the comment of H.'s 'What difference, at this time does it make' in context - politics in the media is sound bites and snip its .. that is what drives the ratings, and the powers that be benefit from the divide that is created...

I make no excuses for the president .. he is a puke .. but I question if calling him a racist is accurate

I could be wrong  -James Comey

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.11    3 months ago

From where I stand, Trump is getting crucified for nothing more than being fair.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.13  Phoenyx13  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.11    3 months ago
Context is everything Tacos!  There is no convincing the left of that Trump was not necessarily speaking of supremacists when stating '…very fine people, on both sides.'  There were other people that were not members of supremacists groups protesting the statues removal.. as there were those that had nothing to do with Antifa counter protesting.

ok... but that does include the supremacists, correct ? so this statement:

He did say white nationalists were very fine people in that comment

is inaccurate now ? it seems accurate to me, but a bit misleading because (as you pointed out) he did state that white nationalists were "very fine people" - but he also included others. (but his inclusion of others doesn't negate the fact that he also included the supremacists)

Just as the right will not take the comment of H.'s 'What difference, at this time does it make' in context - politics in the media is sound bites and snip its .. that is what drives the ratings, and the powers that be benefit from the divide that is created... I make no excuses for the president .. he is a puke .. but I question if calling him a racist is accurate

i can very much agree with this.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.1.14  Colour Me Free  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.12    3 months ago

I cannot argue with you there Tacos!  It seems everything is open to speculation and 'intent' is now interpreted...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.1.15  Colour Me Free  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.13    3 months ago
is inaccurate now ? it seems accurate to me, but a bit misleading because (as you pointed out) he did state that white nationalists were "very fine people" - but he also included others. (but his inclusion of others doesn't negate the fact that he also included the supremacists)

'Intent' can be interpreted anyway one wants to .. I stated how I felt on the subject .. so I guess (albeit I could have worded it differently) that is my interpretation of what the president said, even if it can be considered 'a bit misleading' - the president did not say white nationalists were 'very fine people'...   

just how I see it Phoenyx ..

Peace...

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.16  Phoenyx13  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.15    3 months ago
'Intent' can be interpreted anyway one wants to ..

yes very true and we've seen that many times with Democrats and Republicans !

I stated how I felt on the subject .. so I guess (albeit I could have worded it differently) that is my interpretation of what the president said, even if it can be considered 'a bit misleading' - the president did not say white nationalists were 'very fine people'...   

i see that as odd since you stated plainly - 

There is no convincing the left of that Trump was not necessarily speaking of supremacists when stating '…very fine people, on both sides.'  There were other people that were not members of supremacists groups protesting the statues removal.. as there were those that had nothing to do with Antifa counter protesting.

but the supremacists (white nationalists, KKK or whoever) were there as well and Trump included everyone, right ? i would be more inclined to agree with you if the President stated something like "there were very fine people on both sides, except for supremacists" or something like that. Words don't matter anymore ? (side note: this applies to both sides of the aisle, not just one)

just how I see it Phoenyx .. Peace...

peace to you and i hope you've been well :)

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
3.1.17  Colour Me Free  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.16    3 months ago
i see that as odd since you stated plainly -

Since when do I state anything plainly?  It always seems it takes me too long to get to my point!

 i would be more inclined to agree with you if the President stated something like "there were very fine people on both sides, except for supremacists" or something like that.

I can see that if a 'disqualifier' had been added, it would be 'crystal' clear .. I have felt that way about many comments made by presidents as 'their side' put the spin on 'what the president intended to say'  ..in this case I do not believe the president was calling Antifa nor supremacists 'very fine people' .. the violence between those protesting groups spoke for itself - 'very fine people' were the ones caught in the middle of it..

I am doing well Phoenyx, thank you for asking.  It has been a while, I hope you are doing well also.  I always look forward to running into you on an article..

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.1.18  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.12    3 months ago

Tacos I can't honestly believe you said that.  How much truth can you stand.  Day after day people show you how errant you are and yet you continue with comments like that.  

What you wrote is the type of thing that paid trolls put out.

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.1.19  Don Overton  replied to  Greg Jones @3.1.6    3 months ago

about the right wing trolls

Don’t feed the trolls — how to combat the alt-right

Using humor and creative tactics or overwhelming the alt-right with our sheer numbers is the best way to win, and for that nonviolent discipline is key.
Kazu Haga August 22, 2017
    

This iframe is not allowed

Nazism and white supremacy are forms of violence. Let’s start there.

The constitution does not protect violence, and I’m happy to see that the California chapter of the ACLU has taken a stand against protecting the “free speech” of hate groups.

But with or without marching permits, it is clear that public displays of hatred are a growing trend in the United States. And as much as I don’t want to give these groups more attention, it is also clear that simply ignoring them is not going to make them go away.

So what do we do?

Many communities seem to have embraced the militant tactics of Antifa, so much so that it seems like it’s already an expectation that every alt-right rally will turn into a violent battlefield.

Yet I can’t help but wonder if these tactics are giving the alt-right exactly what they want. Is it possible that we could be winning small battles while losing the war? Is it possible that as we celebrate Nazis getting punched, their numbers are growing as a direct result of it?

I don’t pretend to have all the answers. I would even admit that a portion of the blame for the rise in violence has to go to those of us committed to nonviolence for our failure to come up with the type of assertive response necessary in these urgent times.

And I do give a lot of credit to Antifa activists, for as much as I have major disagreements in strategy, they have had the courage to put their bodies on the line. When the levels of hatred are as extreme as they are, our responses to it — nonviolent or otherwise — has to match its intensity, and Antifa has done that.

But as these battles rage on (the alt-right has planned rallies this weekend in San Francisco and Berkeley), it’s critical that we not get dogmatic and are able to evaluate our strategies.

Violence has a simple dynamic that Rev. James Lawson once described as, “I make you suffer more than I suffer.” If we think that punching Nazis and pepper spraying them will make them suffer so much that they go away, I’m afraid that we are severely underestimating their commitment to their cause.

Right or wrong (spoiler: they’re wrong), they feel like their culture is being threatened and white people are being oppressed. As the adage goes, “when you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.” If members of the alt-right already feel like they are being oppressed (and they do), using violence to shut them down may only make them dig down even deeper into their hole and fight back even harder.

What ‘works?’

As I’ve written before, “we shut their event down” is a poor measure of success if it comes at the expense of growing their base. Is it possible that when we confront these hate groups with violence, that we are actually empowering them?

Over 14 years after President Bush announced “Mission Accomplished” on the deck of an aircraft carrier, the war in Iraq rages on, with one result of the U.S. invasion being the formation of ISIS. And that can be the unintended consequence of violence: when the other side is convinced that they are “right,” and when they feel like they are the ones being oppressed, violence against them is the best recruiting tool they can ask for.

While that is an extreme example, there are countless smaller examples of this dynamic, and it goes both ways. Milo Yiannopoulos’ book became the number one seller on Amazonovernight after his speech was shut down at UC Berkeley. The Birmingham campaign in 1963 exploded when Bull Conner attacked children with fire hoses, giving the movement one of its principal victories within days. After the Alabama state troopers attacked civil rights marchers in Selma, the number of marchers grew ten-fold within two weeks.

While many mocked and celebrated the original “punch-a-Nazi,” I’d never even heard of Richard Spencer until he got punched. Now he’s a national hero to many. If that interview had gone on without incident, almost no one would have seen it. It would have been just one more video of Spencer talking on YouTube. Instead, it became a rallying cry for the alt-right.

When white supremacists gather, I get that our initial impulse is to do everything we can to simply shut them down. But it’s very possible that attempts to do so are giving the alt-right exactly what they want. To feel like they are being victimized, to feel like their way of life is being threatened, to gain media attention to legitimize their movement, to demonize the left and to gain more and more recruits for their cause.

Of all the places in the country where they could go, there is a reason that this coming weekend will mark the third time in six months that the alt-right is coming to the San Francisco Bay Area: Because they know they can count on a fight.

And while there are many involved in Antifa who are as dedicated as anyone to defeating white supremacy, I also wonder sometimes if some others want to fight more than they want to win.

So what do we do?

Perspective

Part of what we need to do is to keep things in perspective. Part of that perspective is that this is a serious moment in history. Charlottesville escalated to a point where a woman — Heather Heyer — was killed, and many more could have easily died.

And even that is just an outward expression of a system of white supremacy that is killing people every day. So calls for people to “just get along” isn’t going to cut it.

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When San Francisco mayor Ed Lee says, “I ask that when they chant of hate, San Francisco chants of love,” I am not sure he understands that. We cannot simply offer free hugs to Nazis and hope they change their minds.

At the same time, we should keep this in mind: We are not the resistance.

All over the country, confederate memorials are coming down. This was beginning to happen even before Charlottesville. Even GOP leaders are distancing themselves from comments made by Trump, something we would not have seen a couple of decades ago.

As slow as progress can feel at times, things are changing. As a nation, we are making progress. And it is the alt-right that is reacting to those changes. Their worldview is being threatened by progress, and they are the ones resisting.

A friend of mine heard Angela Davis speak some time ago, and that was her message to those involved in the “Trump resistance.” We need to remind ourselves that we are the majority, and they are the ones resisting the changes our society is going through. While we need to meet the urgency of this moment, we can also allow ourselves time to breath and not feel like the world is collapsing around us.

Maintain the moral high ground

This is ultimately a battle for the morals of this country. It is about right and wrong.

Most people like to think of themselves as moral people, and while white supremacy runs deeper than the average person realizes, most people would not identify as Nazis or white supremacists.

In a battle for morals, imagery and messaging is everything. If we lose the PR battle, even if we are ultimately on the right side of justice, we may give the alt-right ammunition they desperately need. And if we don’t provide them with that ammunition, their movement will struggle to gain momentum.

When you see images from nonviolent movements confronting forces of injustice, the images are very clear which side is on the right side of justice. When you see images of the alt-right confronting Antifa, that’s not so clear.

And this is not in any way to make a moral equivalency between the two as Trump has repeatedly done. One side are Nazis and white supremacists. The other side is fighting Nazis and white supremacists. There is no moral equivalency there.

What I am suggesting is that rather than meeting violence with violence, we need to expose their violence. Trump is finding himself more and more isolated as he continues to expose his violence. We need to do the same with the alt-right, and fighting them with sticks makes that harder.

Build mass popular movements

I grew up in Massachusetts and am a die-hard Boston sports fan. And I’ve always been a little embarrassed by the long history of racism there. That’s why I was so proud of my home state this past weekend when counter-demonstrators so outnumbered the alt-right that they were completely drowned out.

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And that is the best way for us to win — by surrounding these hate groups with so many people that they can’t get their message out. By showing them and the country how isolated they are. By embarrassing them to the point that they don’t want to come out in public again.

If we outnumber them five-to-one, ten-to-one, twenty-to-one, a hundred-to-one, then we won’t need to use violence to stop them. Our mere presence will, like it did in Boston when 40,000 people showed up to counter “a few dozen” alt-right demonstrators. “Boston right-wing ‘free speech’ rally dwarfed by counterprotesters does not make for an effective recruitment tool for the alt-right.

Violence limits the number of people who are willing to come out to these types of events. We can’t let the alt-right feel like this is anything close to an equal fight. And if those of us on the radical left are the only ones showing up to counter-protests, that’s the sense that they will get. We need the masses to win, and we need to maintain nonviolent discipline to turn the masses out.

While the actions of Antifa are getting support on my social media feed, we know that social media can be an echo chamber of limited political views. The masses do not support violence, and that needs to be part of our calculations.

Creative nonviolence

We also need to stop thinking that going head-to-head is the only option we have. There is so much diversity within nonviolence, and we are doing ourselves a disservice when we don’t fully utilize our creativity.

My favorite example of this is a dilemma action where the German town of Wunsiedel turned a Nazi march into a walk-a-thon for an anti-hate group organization. Residents committed to donating money for every meter that the Nazis marched. When the marchers came to town, the residents welcomed them, celebrated and thanked them for raising money to fight Nazism.

Or when clowns showed up to counter a KKK rally in Knoxville, Tennessee. It’s hard to fight when the other side is dressed like clowns, and the images don’t make for good recruitment either.

Or what if instead of trying to stop them, we mix in with them with signs opposing hate? If our signs outnumber theirs, again their photo-ops would become useless.

What if we hold massive banners and completely surround them, not letting anyone see them?

What if instead of shields and sticks, every person came with instruments, pots, pans, air horns and drums and completely drowned them out without actually trying to stop them?

What if we go to the site of their rally the night before and somehow transform the site itself? Maybe paint the entire ground a bright rainbow?

What if we coordinated the “Yes, You’re Racist” Twitter feed and tried to take pictures of everyone who shows up at the event? Members of the alt-right have already had their businesses boycotted, been fired from work, had their accounts suspended from Airbnb, social media and even the dating site OK Cupid.

Action vs. inaction

At the end of the day, the most important thing for anyone reading this is to be ready to mobilize every time the alt-right gathers. The fewer counter-demonstrators there are, the more likely it will be that violence will erupt. The more counter-demonstrators there are, the more likely that the alt-right will simply run away.

For those of us committed to nonviolence, it is easy to criticize people who have played a role in escalating violence. But if we are not at least in the streets with them, then our criticisms ring hollow. If we believe that we can defeat hate by building a popular movement, then we need to get into the streets and create one.

Violence vs. nonviolence is an important question, and a complicated one. A less complicated one is the question of action vs. inaction. Regardless of where you stand on nonviolence, if you stand for inaction you are helping hatred gain steam.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.13    3 months ago
He did say white nationalists were very fine people in that comment
is inaccurate now ?

Yes....Yes it is !

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.21  Phoenyx13  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.17    3 months ago
I can see that if a 'disqualifier' had been added, it would be 'crystal' clear .. I have felt that way about many comments made by presidents as 'their side' put the spin on 'what the president intended to say' 

i agree.. and i'm sick of constantly repairing my secret decoder ring, or buying a new one with each new president...

..in this case I do not believe the president was calling Antifa nor supremacists 'very fine people' .. the violence between those protesting groups spoke for itself - 'very fine people' were the ones caught in the middle of it..

ok, well that's your belief :)

I am doing well Phoenyx, thank you for asking.  It has been a while, I hope you are doing well also.  I always look forward to running into you on an article..

i enjoy our conversations - it provides different viewpoints and doesn't hurt anything between us :)

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.22  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.20    3 months ago
Yes....Yes it is !

ok, explain why it is inaccurate if Trump was referring to the entire group which also contained supremacists (white nationalists etc) along with non-supremacists. I can't wait to hear this explanation.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.23  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.22    3 months ago
I can't wait to hear this explanation.

Well let your heart be still. jrSmiley_93_smiley_image.jpg

How many of those that Trump spoke of....have "Killed' anyone ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.8    3 months ago

Sorry you can't look anything up for yourself. If you really want to know, you'll find it.

After all, I did.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.25  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.23    3 months ago
How many of those that Trump spoke of....have "Killed' anyone ?

so... no explanation i guess ? let's try this again:

ok, explain why it is inaccurate if Trump was referring to the entire group which also contained supremacists (white nationalists etc) along with non-supremacists.

so far.. i haven't seen the word "killed" in my statement nor the statement i was referring to... so i'm still waiting for an explanation.. but i won't hold my breath.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.26  Bob Nelson  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.25    3 months ago

256

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.27  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.26    3 months ago

This question is very pertinent given the topic of this article.

Why the earth and blood for your avatar?

That is not a joke and certainly not a toy.

I am surprised you have not been called on it, as it has been up quite a while.

I can't believe it's beginning is tied to this thread. As stated, it has been up a while.

Why not just the swastika?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.28  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.27    3 months ago

My avatar has several layers:
 - an anarchist "A"
 - a Socialist rose
 - the phrase "in good faith"
 - the antifa logo of red and black flags, in a black circle.

I've never seen the origins of the antifa colors. I assume they "socialist red" and "anarchist black".

Now... would you please explain where, and more importantly why, you see "earth and blood".

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps Nazi symbols, too?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.29  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.28    3 months ago
Now... would you please explain where, and more importantly why, you see "earth and blood".

Here are some of the more well known earth and blood flags these days:

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That color combination is not a new invention for the far right wing. Strange the antifa group would adopt the same colors.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps Nazi symbols, too?

I don't see any beauty there. Do you?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.30  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.29    3 months ago

Interestingly enough, the actual shape of the antifa flag is remarkably similar to that of the 1930s German Communist party.

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While adopting the Earth and Blood colors.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.31  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.29    3 months ago
I don't see any beauty there. Do you?

Those are irrelevant to our discussion, about supposed Nazi symbols in my avatar.

I asked you where you found Nazi symbols in my avatar. (That was your initial assertion.)

Please either explain your initial diatribe:

Why the earth and blood for your avatar?

That is not a joke and certainly not a toy.

I am surprised you have not been called on it, as it has been up quite a while.

I can't believe it's beginning is tied to this thread. As stated, it has been up a while.

Why not just the swastika?

... or recognize that you made an ugly mistake, and apologize.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.32  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.25    3 months ago
so... no explanation i guess ?

None needed. 

Every Group, has nice folks in it. Even Followers of Islam....right ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.33  Tessylo  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.30    3 months ago

jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.34  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.29    3 months ago

C'mon, Dave.

You said I used Nazi symbols in my avatar. No, there are none, as I hve shown.

You owe me an apology.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.35  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.31    3 months ago
I asked you where you found Nazi symbols in my avatar. (That was your initial assertion.)

No, I did not say you had nazi symbols in you avatar. I said this:

Why the earth and blood for your avatar?

and

Why not just the swastika?

You followed with this question:

Now... would you please explain where, and more importantly why, you see "earth and blood?"

I gave you clear examples to THAT question, examples of the earth and blood symbols.

Not once did I state you have nazi symbol in your avatar

I did ask:

"Why not just the swastika?"

I would ask the same question again, as your comments and questions do not exactly relate to what I posted and you explained the background to the graphic.

The graphic is clearly a combination of 1930s German communist symbolism and earth and blood, which is clearly fascists in representation.

Interesting combination.

I made no mistake and I have nothing apologize for with regards to noticing the obvious.

If that recognition bothers you, then I am sorry it bothers you.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.36  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.33    3 months ago
Why the earth and blood for your avatar?

I'll keep note of that.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.37  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.34    3 months ago
You said I used Nazi symbols in my avatar. No, there are none, as I hve shown. You owe me an apology.

Bob, I am sorry you took it this way.

Again, see 3.1.35.

Again I did not say you had nazi symbols. However, you do have earth and blood.

Even you stated that you hadn't researched the background of the insignia.

Unfortunately, because of family history and both of those extremist trying to kill us, yes, kills, spotting their symbols is pretty much second nature to me.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.38  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.36    3 months ago

Tess, I do not know how that quote got in there.

It certainly wasn't meant for you.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.39  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.32    3 months ago
None needed.  Every Group, has nice folks in it. Even Followers of Islam....right ?

i didn't suggest otherwise, so you surely must agree that the statement is true that Trump has called the supremacists "very fine people" in his statement since he included everyone and didn't specifically put in a disqualifier, correct ?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.40  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.37    3 months ago
Bob, I am sorry you took it this way.

Basically, you called me a Nazi. How should I take it?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.41  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.40    3 months ago
Basically, you called me a Nazi. How should I take it?

Basically, with that graphic, you took on the persona of earth and blood.

How is anyone, who sees that as clear as day supposed to interpret that?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.42  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.41    3 months ago

It's the antifa logo. The opposite of fascist.

Your insistence is more and more offensive.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.43  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.42    3 months ago
It's the antifa logo. The opposite of fascist. Your insistence is more and more offensive.

Which completely put me through a loop.

History tells us what those colors are. History insists. Just as history tells us what the symbols are.

Very odd combination.

I am not insisting on anything, I asked a question.

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.44  lib50  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.43    3 months ago

You are inferring in a passive aggressive way.  You want to talk history?  Deal with the conservative attempts to redefine 'nationalism' to ignore the significance in WWII.  Lets talk about the uptick in hate crimes by white NATIONALISTS and supremacists and neo-nazis, those domestic terrorists that mass murder.  And Trump's inability to condemn them with the same voracity he does with our intelligence community.  Or democrats.  Doesn't the right have enough to deal with without accusing others (of what they are doing, the typical projection)? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.45  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.39    3 months ago

Get the entire statement out correctly if you're gonna spout ! jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/

“What about the alt-left that came charging at, as you say, at the alt-right?” Trump said. “Do they have any semblance of guilt?”
“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,” he said.
“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. “The press has treated them absolutely unfairly.”

“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.

SEEMS HE DID PUT IN A DISQUALIFIER HUH. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.46  Bob Nelson  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.45    3 months ago

196So if 1% are fine people, it is acceptable to say “You also had some very fine people on both sides”?

I looked at a lot of images from Charlottesville. If there were any "fine people", they stayed out of sight.

Oh, and... Heather Heyer...

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.47  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.46    3 months ago
So if 1% are fine people, it is acceptable to say “You also had some very fine people on both sides”?

Yep !

1% would STILL be some …… right ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.48  Texan1211  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.47    3 months ago

Words, apparently, only matter when it comes to Republicans and any chance to make them look bad. Otherwise, just ignore that little word "some"!

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.49  lib50  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.47    3 months ago

A 'very fine person' would have left any rally that included tiki torches and white supremacists chanting against Jews.  I submit nobody who participated in that rally was fine.  They are racists whether they admit it or not.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.50  It Is ME  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.48    3 months ago

It's really funny listening to "Liberals" try to interpret their own thought processes.

"On the one hand, the 1%(billionaires) are too big, but on the other hand, the 1%(what Trump Spoke of) is too small. jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

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It Is ME
3.1.51  It Is ME  replied to  lib50 @3.1.49    3 months ago

Didn't see anyone leaving this "Tolerant" group of protestors. jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.52  Bob Nelson  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.47    3 months ago

original

original

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.53  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.52    3 months ago

The first Pic is a bit blurry. is that on Purpose ?

The second pic shows some folks walking.

Your doing your Best?.....to show me what now ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.54  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.53    3 months ago

'The first Pic is a bit blurry. is that on Purpose ?'

Yes because that's where the white supremacist scum ran his car into a crowd of people killing Heather Heyer

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.55  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.54    3 months ago

And we still have that 1%, that weren't involved. Might have even been 99.9999 % that weren't involved either. I don't know of a car that can handle "Multiple" drivers driving.....do you ?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.56  Bob Nelson  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.53    3 months ago

You're laughing about White Supremacist terrorism. Neo-Nazi murder.

Perrie gets angry when I say there are White Supremacist / neo-Nazi fellow-travelers on NT. I hope she's following your "contribution" here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.57  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.51    3 months ago

Inside Edition

6M subscribers

I would say no.
But if all that girl in your picture suffered was having a drink thrown on her - that's such a shame!
It's assault and I hope they got arrested for it.
But to say Rump supporters are being hunted down like prey by protesters is fucking preposterous.
Other supporters of the Rump are killing, not just throwing a drink at someone or calling them a nasty name.  
 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.58  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.57    3 months ago
But to say Rump supporters are being hunted down like prey by protesters is fucking preposterous.

I never said such a thing.

"Other supporters of the Rump are killing"

The "Other" side has the same problem.

Scalise was just out for a day of fun and baseball.

People "KILL' other People all the time.

What Excuse they use, is just that, an excuse. They were gonna "KILL" anyway !

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.59  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.55    3 months ago

You are doing your best ?

To show us what now ?

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.60  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.58    3 months ago

Scalise is still alive isn't he?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.61  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.59    3 months ago
You are doing your best ? To show us what now ?

what ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.62  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.60    3 months ago

Shot is shot !

Beaten up is beaten up !

Killed is Killed !

Like Liberals say about Islamic Terrorists...…"Don't Judge all muslims by a few individuals".

Should fit ALL on ANYTHING, shouldn't it ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.63  It Is ME  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.56    3 months ago
You're laughing about White Supremacist terrorism. Neo-Nazi murder.

I did ?

Where ?

Are YOU one folks should actually be looking at with Nonsensical Shit comments like that ?

You really didn't mean it though ….. Didja ? jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TTGA
3.1.64  TTGA  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.60    3 months ago
Scalise is still alive isn't he?

Sure he is, not because the shooter wanted him alive, but because, before he could deliver the finishing shot, a couple of good guys with guns blew the shooter's ass away.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.65  dave-2693993  replied to  lib50 @3.1.44    3 months ago
You are inferring in a passive aggressive way.  You want to talk history?  Deal with the conservative attempts to redefine 'nationalism' to ignore the significance in WWII.  Lets talk about the uptick in hate crimes by white NATIONALISTS and supremacists and neo-nazis, those domestic terrorists that mass murder.  And Trump's inability to condemn them with the same voracity he does with our intelligence community.  Or democrats.  Doesn't the right have enough to deal with without accusing others (of what they are doing, the typical projection)? 

I am not inferring anything and there is nothing passive aggressive about what I stated and why I questioned the earth and blood reference in the graphic of question.

It is a straight out internationally accepted understanding the black and red in socio/political symbolism is a sign of earth and blood and associated groups. It is. I did not invent that. Wave any kind of black and red flags in in such a scenario and that means you have just entered a earth and blood zone.

Some actually claim to be anarchists, some don't. However, they are all extremely right wing.

Antifa adopting those colors is like a stupid analogy such as this:

In many, many places in western society, signs like these mean STOP.

220px-Stoppskylt_Flerv%C3%A4gsstopp_4530

Then one day a group of folks come along and declare the exact same sign with the very word STOP across it, now means GO to them and declare, every time we see this sign, we are going to GO.

Doesn't make any sense does it?

That is why I asked the question. The combination doesn't make sense. But there it is.

BTW, why did you pose some of the BS the right wing here is doing? I have already condemned that stuff many times over. Don't, for one minute think BS from either left or right running roughshod with their ideologies over either their target or victims has my approval in anyway shape or form.

Check my thoughts in one of Perries "stuck in the middle" articles.

I hate them both to no f'ning end at this point in time.

Yet I stand by my comment that I am sorry, this bothers Bob.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.66  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.45    3 months ago
SEEMS HE DID PUT IN A DISQUALIFIER HUH.

ok, point out where he condemned the KKK or white supremacists please (did you even read the statement ?). oh wait.. you can't... and yet, it's still an accurate statement that he stated these people were "very fine people", just as he stated the same for the other side.  jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

make sure for future reference you read "entire statement out correctly if you're gonna spout !" ok ? jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Don Overton
3.1.67  Don Overton  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.34    3 months ago

Shut him off and use the ignore.  This hurts more,

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.68  dave-2693993  replied to  Don Overton @3.1.67    3 months ago
Shut him off and use the ignore.  This hurts more,

You have reading problems too.

Yes, ignore reality.

Not hurting me.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.69  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.66    3 months ago
point out where he condemned the KKK or white supremacists

I hear "Goal Post" movers don't make much. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.70  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.65    3 months ago
earth and blood reference

The only fucking earth and blood reference is in your imagination... which says something about your imagination.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.72  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.70    3 months ago
The only fucking earth and blood reference is in your imagination... which says something about your imagination.

Look at the flags.

It is earth and blood anywhere else in the western world.

Not my invention nor imagination. It's there.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.73  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.72    3 months ago

Google "antifa logo" images:

original

You're saying that antifa is neo-Nazi. And, having been shown that that's nonsense, you're persisting. Imagine whatever you wish. I'm done.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.74  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.73    3 months ago
You're saying that antifa is neo-Nazi. And, having been shown that that's nonsense, you're persisting. Imagine whatever you wish. I'm done.

Bob, you are not paying attention.

I keep getting replies that have nothing to do with what I stated.

Of course those are antifa symbols. If you recall I gave you an example, of which you just posted.

Yes, you are done. The question of why the use of earth and blood symbolism is apparently too allusive.

I asked a simple question and have given multiple examples why I asked the question and you keep replying with things that have nothing to do with the question.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.75  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.74    3 months ago

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dave-2693993
3.1.76  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.75    3 months ago
Have you stopped beating your wife?

Silliness.

Are you a middle schooler?

As I stated earlier:

I keep getting replies that have nothing to do with what I stated

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.77  dave-2693993  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.75    3 months ago

mmmmmm. She is the most beautiful of all.

800

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.78  Bob Nelson  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.77    2 months ago

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Phoenyx13
3.1.79  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.69    2 months ago
I hear "Goal Post" movers don't make much.

you could be right, i wouldn't know. how much do you make ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.80  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.79    2 months ago
i wouldn't know

Sure you do. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.81  Tessylo  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.77    2 months ago

Are you in a polyamorous relationship?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.82  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.80    2 months ago
Sure you do

i wouldn't know... and if you were following the conversation from the beginning - you'd know i haven't moved any goal posts.. so how much do you make ?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.83  dave-2693993  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.81    2 months ago
Are you in a polyamorous relationship?

Of course.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.84  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.82    2 months ago
i wouldn't know..

You don't know your self ?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.85  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.84    2 months ago
You don't know your self ?

someone once said some good advice for you to follow - they said you should read "entire statement out correctly if you're gonna spout !"

i wouldn't know... and if you were following the conversation from the beginning - you'd know i haven't moved any goal posts.. so how much do you make ?

please let me know if you need help reading or comprehending the above statement.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.86  It Is ME  replied to  Phoenyx13 @3.1.85    2 months ago
should read "entire statement out correctly if you're gonna spout !"

I did !

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.87  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.4    2 months ago
Or retract your lie.

Since he did not specifically exclude the murderer from the group of "very fine people" my comment stands, it is no lie and there will be no retraction (but lots of laughing at you that you think you deserve one).  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.88  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.86    2 months ago

Like hell...because if that were true that would be a self-indictment of illiteracy and I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt assume and chalk it up to BS.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.89  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.77    2 months ago

Well, that's creepy.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.90  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.89    2 months ago
Well, that's creepy.

Why?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.91  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.69    2 months ago
I hear "Goal Post" movers don't make much

That's as quick a confession of "I got nuthin'" as I've ever seen.  Thanks for giving up so fast.  Saves you the pain and us the trouble of pounding your statement to a pulp. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.92  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.65    2 months ago
Doesn't make any sense does it?

That entire comment absolutely doesn't.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.93  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.90    2 months ago

That question answers itself.*

*in that if you have to ask it that explains why it was creepy.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.94  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.72    2 months ago
It is earth and blood anywhere else in the western world.

You have a very weird fixation, not to mention interpretation, on what's an "earth" color is.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.95  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.92    2 months ago
That entire comment absolutely doesn't.  

Then obviously you didn't understand it, which you just admitted.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.96  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.93    2 months ago
That question answers itself.* *in that if you have to ask it that explains why it was creepy. 

What makes it creepy?

Try explaining why you think that, instead of some BS.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.97  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.48    2 months ago
Words, apparently, only matter when it comes to Republicans and any chance to make them look bad. Otherwise, just ignore that little word "some"!

That's it.  When your "argument" is bogus and getting ripped to shreds, try whining.  By the way, didn't we already go around this link to Politifact that you tried to use to prop up Scumbag:

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Thanks ever so much, Tex, for always giving so many laughs

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.98  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.94    2 months ago
You have a very weird fixation, not to mention interpretation, on what's an "earth" color is.

What fixation?

Look up earth and blood  flags and you will get things like this.

https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/45727/another-act-of-white-supremacist-terror-when-will-gop-leaders-say-enough#cm1065176

Thank you for helping to explain why antifa is not aware of the obvious.

Outside of antifa's world, the rest of the western world calls those colors earth and blood. Who, by the way are also, often anarchists.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
3.1.99  Phoenyx13  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.86    2 months ago
I did !

your continued replies indicate you did not.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.100  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.11    2 months ago
There is no convincing the left of that Trump was not necessarily speaking of supremacists when stating '…very fine people, on both sides.' 

What other group was there that he had in mind, then?  There were basically three groups there: nazis, white-supremacists and counter-protestors.  Was it the white-supremacists who weren't shouting "Jews Will Not Replace Us" or the Nazis who were?  And what were the counter-protestors doing that made some of the a part of the "very bad" designation?  The fact that they weren't white supremacists and nazis?  Here's your problem:  When you throw your lot in with a racist, hate-mongering scumbag like Trump you are going to always have to keep trying to play the "Scumbag whisperer" and try to make up shit about what he means when he vomits out puke like this.  So, live with that.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.101  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.95    2 months ago
which you just admitted.

I admit it:  blithering is hard for me to understand. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.102  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  TTGA @3.1.64    2 months ago

So, again, not dead. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.103  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.96    2 months ago
Try explaining why you think that, instead of some BS.

Why don't you tell us what you meant by the "mmmmmmmmmmmmm" bit and was there some lip-licking as you wrote it? 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.104  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.98    2 months ago

Black and red are "earth colors" in your eyes?  Weird. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.105  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  It Is ME @3.1.50    2 months ago
It's really funny listening to "Liberals" try to interpret their own thought processes.

At least we have thought processes.  I was looking for your comment about where you were standing but couldn't find it.  I wanted to suggest you might be able to see things more clearly if you moved out from under Scumbag's anus.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.106  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.105    2 months ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.107  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.103    2 months ago
Try explaining why you think that, instead of some BS.
Why don't you tell us what you meant by the "mmmmmmmmmmmmm" bit and was there some lip-licking as you wrote it? 

Are you a middle schooler?

Now, I am very interested in why your judgemental, sharia mentality is so hateful towards those who are different than you.

Please tell us all what drives this hate?

Polyamorous people don't need don't need heavy doses of medications including hormones, nor intensive, mental, emotional or physical therapies, nor body mutilation in order to present themselves as or identify as polyamorous.

Being polyamorous doesn't hurt anybody.

Are you following some superstition? Maybe some ancient made up sorcery? Or, maybe some deep seated issue is causing you to think hateful thoughts?

Then again, I know you can't back away from your M.O.

Come on. quit running from your own statement. Please, explain why, in your mind a polyamorous relationship is "creepy".

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.108  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago
Black and red are "earth colors" in your eyes?  Weird. 

Without stating the obvious about learning disorders, I will ask where I ever said that.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.109  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.1.11    2 months ago
politics in the media is sound bites and snip its .

I guess you need reminding that just a week ago he described his earlier "very fine people" comment as "perfect."  So. your claim that we're making a big deal about a "sound bite" that has now been repeated and amplified to "perfection" falls completely  flat. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.110  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago

I am hearing intolerant sharia proclamations and incoherent deflections, but no explanations for such hateful words.

Please, without bs, explain your hate against people who have done you no harm.

You know, "well, that's creepy".

Please, explain your sharia hate.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.111  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago
Black and red are "earth colors" in your eyes?  Weird. 

For the "eleventy hundredth" time Earth and Blood. Also, for the "eleventy hundredth" time not my invention. I understand typing google searches can be very difficult. It's okay, I understand not everyone has the same capabilities.

Here is earth and blood in action, promoted and paid for by our prior administration.

See the red and black? Earth and Blood? I will save the best implication pictures for later.

Oh...btw, my "creepy" friends needed special help here.

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images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS8FTwMa4FWyjWiWckk0_h

Ukraine.jpg

ACFDD6BE-163B-4F9A-B8D3-8FDE246A6B80_w10

x_lon_drone_kiev_140220.jpg

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.112  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago
Black and red are "earth colors" in your eyes?  Weird. 

Small pond syndrome.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.113  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago
Oh...btw, my "creepy" friends needed special help here

OMG, I forgot, your head is in middle school gutter.

I am thinking if you remain true to form, you went off in the wrong direction from this statement:

Oh...btw, my "creepy" friends needed special help here

Please forgive me, if my sudden realization is incorrect.

Special help means making sure my "creepy" friends remained alive.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.114  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.103    2 months ago

Gee willikers, one would think someone who has made such proclamations as "well, tht's creepy" AND has been here and gone several times would have the guts to answer or respond to a few comments as to why such a hateful and judgemental  sharia statement was made.

Could it be the small pond syndrome?

Hope not.

Really want to hear the reasoning behind the sharia hatefulness.

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.115  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.104    2 months ago

I have 2 very beautiful friends who are very curious about your sharia hatefulness and want to know why they are considered creepy.

Can you provide details about your sharia hatefulness?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
3.1.116  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @3.1.4    2 months ago
Then you will please provide a link to a video of Trump saying a murderer is a very fine person.

He didn't exclude him from the "very fine people on boths sides," did he?  In fact, can you find a comment from him that even acknowledged that there was a murderer among those "very fine people?"  If so, please bring it to the conversation. 

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.117  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.116    2 months ago
He didn't exclude him from the "very fine people on boths sides," did he? 

No he didn't, just as you did not separate people from your "well, that is creepy" comment, from which you have no knowledge.

Or, was that "really" you? Or maybe one of your many spoofed personas on the board?  (HELLO Board monitors, have any of you recognized the many personas for this poster?)

BTW, reminds me, what is up with your sharia hate for people you know nothing about?

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.118  dave-2693993  replied to  dave-2693993 @3.1.117    2 months ago
Or, was that "really" you? Or maybe one of your many spoofed personas on the board?  (HELLO Board monitors, have any of you recognized the many personas for this poster?)

Example:

800

 
 
 
dave-2693993
3.1.119  dave-2693993  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @3.1.116    2 months ago

Run coward , run.

Go fix your algorithm which you use to hack the board.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4  Bob Nelson    3 months ago

When Will GOP Leaders Say Enough?

Never.

The only reason for the GOP's existence is to funnel money to the already-ultra-rich from... everyone else.

Obviously, this program should be popular with the ultra-rich, but no one else. To get votes, the GOP panders to people stupid enough to screw themselves, in order to screw whatever category they hate.

So the GOP will be racist, xenophobe, misogynist,  ... forever...

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    3 months ago
The only reason for the GOP's existence is to funnel money to the already-ultra-rich from... everyone else.

Name where any of your money has gone to the ultra-rich as you claim.

Do they get a check from the govt.?

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 months ago

Do you honestly believe what you spew out?  Or are you fed what to write?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    3 months ago
Do they get a check from the govt.?

When you compare what they saved in taxes between 2017 and 2018, yes, indeed.  It was money in the bank that wouldn't have been there otherwise--so yes, they got a check from the government.  And the deficit paid for it which every other American will have to keep making payments.  So, also yes to where your and my money has gone.  Oh, wait.  I forgot something, didn't I.  Deficits and debt only matter to republicans when Dems are running the government, right? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.2    3 months ago
When you compare what they saved in taxes between 2017 and 2018, yes, indeed. It was money in the bank that wouldn't have been there otherwise--so yes, they got a check from the government.

Surely you are smart enough to know or learn the difference between a tax cut and a government check, aren't you?

And the deficit paid for it which every other American will have to keep making payments.

As long as government continues to spend more than it takes in, we will have deficits.

Deficits and debt only matter to republicans when Dems are running the government, right?

I have never claimed that the GOP is any more financially responsible than the Democrats are. Neither party is responsible or we wouldn't have so much national debt.

The difference is I can freely admit it while most Democrats think they are actually responsible, despite the facts staring them in the face.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.4  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    2 months ago
Surely you are smart enough to know or learn the difference between a tax cut and a government check, aren't you?

If you're not smart enough to realize that there's no difference between leaving tens of millions of dollars in billionaires' bank accounts by means of a tax cut is no different than sending them back a refund check for that amount you really shouldn't be making any cracks about smartness.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.1.4    2 months ago

I'm real sorry you don't understand taxes and tax codes.

Whine away some more because someone has more than you.

Pitiful jealousy

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    2 months ago
I'm real sorry you don't understand taxes and tax codes.

Here we go again....reprise of Tex's fantasies of knowing how things work.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Bob Nelson @4    3 months ago
When Will GOP Leaders Say Enough?

Power is their primary driver and nothing, not even appeals to address an internal threat to this republic by a lawless and reckless President,  will deter them from that pursuit.  As we've seen many times whenever they control Congress or the Executive, they are ruthless and take no prisoners in their goal of bending this country to the extreme right.  Karl Rove once said it out loud.  His dream was to create a permanent Republican majority in this country.  IOW, a one party state.  You don't get something like that by adhering in word, deed or spirit to Constitution of the United States. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2    3 months ago
Power is their primary driver...

But why?

What is a guy like McConnell after?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.2.1    3 months ago

Atheist said....One Party Rule

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2    3 months ago
Karl Rove once said it out loud. His dream was to create a permanent Republican majority in this country. IOW, a one party state. You don't get something like that by adhering in word, deed or spirit to Constitution of the United States.

Awww.....that is so cute that you think Democrats don't want to rule, or ANY political party's goal is not to win seats and rule. "One Party Rule" sounds so nasty when you say it like that while ignoring the very fact that is what politics is about.

LMFAO!

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2.4  Don Overton  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.2.1    3 months ago

$200 some million for Kentucky through bribery 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2    3 months ago

Aren't you conceding that the Democrats want a one party nation, with themselves in charge. Everyone of their collective actions since Trump has been elected points to that fact. The Dems don't care about the people, but only in having full power.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.2.6  Don Overton  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.5    3 months ago

How in the hell did you come up with that comment which is nothing but lies

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.5    3 months ago

Does it strike you as incredibly naïve to think that political parties don't exist to win every election they can?

LOL!

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.8  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Bob Nelson @4.2.1    3 months ago
What is a guy like McConnell after?

Right off the top:  To pack the SC with any and every candidate the Federalist Society tells him to and to obstruct anything a Democratic president would get elected to do. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.9  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.2    3 months ago

And that, too. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.10  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.3    3 months ago
Awww.....that is so cute that you think Democrats don't want to rule,

Oooops, looks like you need a vocabulary lesson.  Sure Dems would like to govern but to rule is what despots and fascists aspire to as we see from today's monstrous reincarnation of the Republican party so you do get half credit.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.2.2    3 months ago

That's possible...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2.8    3 months ago

Sure. But stuff like that is a means to an end, not an end in itself.

McConnell seems to be working to obtain absolute power for the ultra-rich. That's clear enough.

But I don't understand why.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2.10    3 months ago
Oooops, looks like you need a vocabulary lesson. Sure Dems would like to govern but to rule is what despots and fascists aspire to as we see from today's monstrous reincarnation of the Republican party so you do get half credit.

Oh, FFS.

You really want to get all technical over a word?

Do Democrats want to win the majority in Congress?

Do Democrats not want the winners of elections to be the person who receives the majority of votes?

Have you never heard "The majority rules"?

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.14  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2.5    3 months ago
Aren't you conceding that the Democrats want a one party nation, with themselves in charge.

Well, please give us an example of any Dem saying anything like what Rove promised years ago and McConnell is trying to do now.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.15  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.7    3 months ago
Does it strike you as incredibly naïve to think that political parties don't exist to win every election they can?

It does but that comment has nothing to do with what Republicans are hoping to accomplish--permanent one-party rule.  If you're going to keep trying to deflect every subject you need to not be so glaringly obvious about it, Tex.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.2.16  Texan1211  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2.15    3 months ago
It does but that comment has nothing to do with what Republicans are hoping to accomplish--permanent one-party rule. If you're going to keep trying to deflect every subject you need to not be so glaringly obvious about it, Tex.

Okay, I'll play along with your charade.

Let's all pretend that Democrats don't want to win every election. Yay!!!!!

Anything else stupid you want us to believe in?

Do you even understand what the goals of political parties are?

Do you understand how government in America works?

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.2.17  Ronin2  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @4.2.8    3 months ago

And you don't think that Obama, and every other Democratic President, and Senator, isn't doing the exact same thing for their side?

Wow, talk about naive.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.18  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Ronin2 @4.2.17    2 months ago
And you don't think that Obama, and every other Democratic President, and Senator, isn't doing the exact same thing for their side?

I'd love the comedy value for you even beginning to back that claim up. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
4.2.19  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @4.2.3    2 months ago
LMFAO!

You do that so much that you should be complete FA-free by now.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    3 months ago

What a disgraceful thing we keep seeing from the loony far left fringe to keep accusing Trump (and some others) of somehow endorsing violence against any group, but particularly to accuse him of supporting people who want to exterminate Jews. Trump is the closest thing we have had to a Jewish president thus far and he has enthusiastically condemned anti-semitism as he did during the rally held after the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh.

You can keep restating the lie that Trump supports anti-semites but the reality does not support that lie.

https://youtu.be/KfummC9nTRE?t=247

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 months ago
What a disgraceful thing we keep seeing from the loony far left fringe to keep accusing Trump (and some others) of somehow endorsing violence against any group, but particularly to accuse him of supporting people who want to exterminate Jews.

What a sad and dangerous state we're in when people are so devoted to a cult of personality that they refuse to admit the damage is being done by current occupant of the WH has done and will continue to do if those people, in particular, keep on denying what their ears hear and eyes see. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.1    3 months ago
devoted to a cult of personality

That's delusional. You have no evidence for that. There is ample evidence on this site of me being critical of Trump and also declaring that I didn't vote for him in the primaries. I am no fan of his particularly, but you and the sources you cite are lying about him. That demands a response.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.1    3 months ago
the damage is being done by current occupant of the WH has done and will continue to do if those people, in particular, keep on denying what their ears hear and eyes see. 
The only damage Trump is doing is keeping the left wing turds unhappy and angry. He continually hurts their delicate little feelings and wins repeatedly. Everything they've thrown at him has bounced off. Most of the population think he's doing a good job, in spite of all grief he gets from the once proud Democrat party. The radical left we have now is a danger to America and needs to be kept permanently out of power.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    3 months ago
You have no evidence for that.

You mean, other than Scumbag's Nüremberg-style rallies in which he loves to rouse his rabble with verbal images of beating up (or worse) journalists who attack him and calling nazis "very fine people" and openly obstructing investigations into his acts and those of his toady appointees and accusing anyone who does that investigating should be removed.  You're either asleep or deliberately blinded and deafened yourself to what's happening.  Or, despite sounding reasonable sometimes you really are just a hard core Trumper or might as well be for all the interference you run for him. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.1.3    3 months ago
and calling nazis "very fine people"

For the millionth time, he never said nazis were very fine people. He expressly made clear that he was not referring to nazis. He literally condemned nazis and you won't admit it.

 
 
 
lib50
5.1.5  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.4    3 months ago

That rally was full of white people with tiki torches chanting 'Jew will not replace us'.  It was about white supremacy.  Anybody at that rally deserves that racist label.  That statue excuse is also just that - an excuse to pretend its really not about race hate.  He never calls out white domestic terrorists like he does every other group, it is always qualified.  We have a long history of his words and actions.   It was not about southern generals (Trump has told a few whopper lies about that subject even recently).  We will not let republicans redefine history and whitewash this. 

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.6  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.1    3 months ago
That's delusional. You have no evidence for that.

Well, of course there wouldn't be to someone who refuses to accept the facts:

Justice Department Hate Crime Statistics

Let’s start with the Justice Department’s FBI data on hate crimes, since that was specifically referenced by Tlaib.

According to the FBI, there were7,175 hate crime incidentsin 2017, a 17 percent increase from2016 and the third year in a row with an increase. The number of incidents in 2017 was also the highest yearly total since2008. About 58 percent of the hate crimes in 2017 were motivated by race/ethnicity/ancestry.

BTW, 2015--the year these incidents started to spike--just happens to be when Scumbag  began  regularly lying in public about immigrants in general and Mexicans in particular as being responsible for increasing violence in this country. You can keep pretending he had nothing to do with that and ignoring the fact that he keeps lying about these things and the incidents increase correspondingly but it's clear you're just trying to cover for him and that's almost as despicable as what he's doing.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  lib50 @5.1.5    3 months ago

I'm just going to keep repeating myself since you aren't actually responding to what I write. So, to repeat: Trump condemned nazis and white supremacists and you won't admit it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.1.6    3 months ago
the incidents increase correspondingly

Wow, you have a really high opinion of his ability to persuade people. Unfortunately, you won't acknowledge and you won't admit that he has condemned - on multiple occasions - white supremacy, neo-nazis, and antisemitism. You won't acknowledge that when the anti-semitic killers have some kind of manifesto, they actually condemn Trump for sympathizing with Jews.

And that's understandable I guess, because you have already tied yourself to this idea that his powers of persuasion are so irresistible. So, logically, if he ever said anything like I have described, you would expect a corresponding decrease in the incidents.

The debate over statues in the South, for example, began years before Trump decided to run for president or attack illegal aliens.

Maybe open your mind to the possibilities that 1) Trump is not pro-nazi/pro-white nationalism/anti-semitic like people claim, and 2) Maybe assholes are just assholes and they didn't suddenly become that way because of Trump.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו @5.1.3    3 months ago

'You mean, other than Scumbag's Nüremberg-style rallies in which he loves to rouse his rabble with verbal images of beating up (or worse) journalists who attack him and calling nazis "very fine people" and openly obstructing investigations into his acts and those of his toady appointees and accusing anyone who does that investigating should be removed.  You're either asleep or deliberately blinded and deafened yourself to what's happening.  Or, despite sounding reasonable sometimes you really are just a hard core Trumper or might as well be for all the interference you run for him.'

'That's delusional. You have no evidence for that.'

'Well, of course there wouldn't be to someone who refuses to accept the facts:

Justice Department Hate Crime Statistics Let’s start with the Justice Department’s FBI data on hate crimes, since that was specifically referenced by Tlaib. According to the FBI, there were7,175 hate crime incidentsin 2017, a 17 percent increase from2016 and the third year in a row with an increase. The number of incidents in 2017 was also the highest yearly total since2008. About 58 percent of the hate crimes in 2017 were motivated by race/ethnicity/ancestry.

BTW, 2015--the year these incidents started to spike--just happens to be when Scumbag  began  regularly lying in public about immigrants in general and Mexicans in particular as being responsible for increasing violence in this country. You can keep pretending he had nothing to do with that and ignoring the fact that he keeps lying about these things and the incidents increase correspondingly but it's clear you're just trying to cover for him and that's almost as despicable as what he's doing.'  

Please see the following.  It's only about 4 minutes and well worth watching.  Does this remind you of anyone and their 'rallies'?

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisJustice/videos/235745564047209/

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.1.10  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    3 months ago

Exactly!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.1.11  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.7    3 months ago

Trump condemned nazis and white supremacists and progressives lie in denial about what he said.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.12  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    2 months ago
The only damage Trump is doing is keeping the left wing turds unhappy and angry.

This is always a funny line from people who freaked out every time Obama started a sentence.  

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.1.13  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @5.1.7    2 months ago
Trump condemned nazis and white supremacists and you won't admit it.

No, he did not.  And the proof he has not is that you haven't produced a single word much less a full sentence from your Shitbag to that effect. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 months ago

Unfortunately, reality doesn't enter the picture for Trump Haters.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    3 months ago
reality doesn't enter the picture

They're fighting to keep it out. I picture them with their hands over their eyes and ears chanting "I won't watch the video . . . I won't watch the video . . . "

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.2.2  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    3 months ago
Unfortunately, reality doesn't enter the picture for Trump Haters.

We have a  new WINNER for the most egregious expression of projection to date.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.2.3  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    3 months ago
  Just for you Tex
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“More anti-TRUMP garbage from a well known LOSER!”

That was the only disagreeing comment I found on the website of a newspaper where a piece of mine had been published. My piece had argued that the fact that some 37 percent of Americans “approve” of Trump’s presidency was a clear indication that something had gone seriously wrong.

I did not just assert that proposition. I argued it. With three different arguments — using facts and logic — I made a case for what I claimed to be true.

Little did the commenter realize that his comment provided more evidence for my proposition: that something has gone wrong in that political subculture where Trump’s supporters dwell.

The commenter’s “argument” consists merely of two words of insult and denigration: GARBAGE (the insult to dismiss the message); and LOSER (the insult to dismiss the messenger). 

This insulting comment would not be worth discussing — except that it is remarkably representative of what one encounters from the Republican side in such forums of political discussion. 

It is not as though these trolls are some fringe within all that one encounters coming from the Republican world to engage publicly. Rather, I can say from years of observation, they are almost completely the only kind of voice that speaks for their side. 

With extraordinary consistency, these defenders of the right do not deal with the substance at all. No concern with evidence, no concern with logic, no engagement with the ideas under discussion.  

Surely, something has gone wrong in a political subculture where discourse that ignores the work involved in discovering the truth can be considered heroic. 

Anyone interested in understanding how American politics became so ugly could begin by asking how a conservative America, which historically has had articulate and thoughtful spokesmen like William F. Buckley and George Will, has devolved into a political culture which now brings forth to the public conversation almost only this kind of viciousness of spirit. 

If one feels no need to defend one’s beliefs, one is sure to end up with indefensible beliefs. 

In this, the commenter is indeed symptomatic of what has happened, on the larger scale, on the Republican side of American politics in our times. On one issue after another — deficit spending, the impact of immigration, climate change, “middle class tax cuts,” — the positions taken by elected Republicans, and apparently believed by Republican voters, prove indefensible in view of the evidence considered in the light of reason.

Surely, also, something is wrong also in a political subculture that attempts nothing constructive whatever in its interactions with the other side, but rather is invested solely in waging political war against whoever has a different view. 

And in this insistence on conflict, too, the right-wing trolls who dominate their side’s contribution to such public discourse mirror what’s gone wrong in the Republican world. 

Just as my commenter showed interest only in waging war with his words, so Trump is constantly creating conflict and unease. 

In both these ways, my commenter stands as an indicator of the problems on the right. 

But I don’t think that such right-wing trolls are representative of the spirit of the Republican voters generally.  

What seems to be the case, rather, is that the right has developed a subculture that makes the trolls their public face while intimidating the more reasonable into silence.  

America needs a better conversation than such a dynamic provides in our public arena. In view of that need, I would like to issue a challenge to the Republican Party in this part of Virginia: 

Don’t let the trolls represent you in public discussion. Find thoughtful people who are prepared to defend their Republican beliefs. If your positions are defensible, you should be able to find someone capable of defending them. 

And here’s a specific challenge. I will post this piece on my own website, at http://abetterhumanstory.org/2018/04/23/response-to-the-right-wing-troll/. Then, at that site at noon on Wednesday, May 9, I will be ready to engage with whomever you send to discuss or debate with me the following proposition: “The Republican Party has become a threat to our constitutional order.” 

The invitation is for a substantive discussion, worthy of what American conservatism has been in the past. (Trolls need not apply.) 

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.2.4  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.1    3 months ago

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XXJefferson#51
5.2.5  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2    3 months ago

reality has no place in the mind of a Trump hater.  They are delusional.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson#51
5.2.6  XXJefferson#51  replied to  Tacos! @5.2.1    3 months ago

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Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.2.7  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  XXJefferson#51 @5.2.6    2 months ago

Those three emojis perfectly describe you, C4P.   They express how you won't allow any facts or truth to affect you.  Well done.  Keep up the good work.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.3  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 months ago

Opps  you got a problem Tacos

One video refutes Sarah Sanders’s claim that Trump has never encouraged violence

Trump in fact has a long history of encouraging violence.

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White House press secretary Sarah Sanders dismissed a question from a reporter on Friday about whether President Trump has any plans to “tone done his rhetoric” after Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Hasson was arrested over an alleged plot to kill journalists and prominent liberals.

“I certainly don’t think that the president at any point has done anything but condemn violence, against journalists or anyone else,” Sanders said.

But Sanders’s characterization is directly at odds with her boss’s history of routinely making incendiary comments about the media and his political opponents. In fact, you don’t have to go far back in history to find footage of the president explicitly encouraging violence against reporters.

In one of the most dramatic examples, Trump literally celebrated a lawmaker for assaulting a reporter. The moment is memorable for its egregiousness, even by Trump-era standards.

At a political rally last October, Trump boosted Rep. Greg Gianforte (R-MT) for assaulting Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs while Jacobs attempted to interview him in 2017.

Jacobs was attempting to ask Gianforte about his response to a government report on health care when Gianforte grabbed Jacobs’s recorder and pushed Jacobs to the ground. Gianforte later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault.

But instead of condemning Gianforte’s behavior, Trump praised him.

“Any guy that can do a body slam, he’s my kinda guy,” Trump said, before going on to mimic a body slam while the crowd cheered.

Here’s footage of Trump’s praise:

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This one video refutes Sanders’s claim that Trump has never encouraged violence “against journalists or anyone else.” In fact, it’s emblematic of Trump’s habit of explicitly encouraging violence.

A brief history of Trump directly and indirectly encouraging violence against the media and political opponents

Trump is no stranger to casually talking about violence against his opponents.

During a rally in December 2015, he joked about killing journalists while defending Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose government has reportedly been involved in murdering dissident journalists.

“I would never kill them,” Trump said, alluding to reporters, before seemingly reconsidering his statement. “Ahh ... let’s see... well ... no, I wouldn’t. I would never kill them. But I do hate them. And some of them are such lying, disgusting people.”

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In the months that followed, Trump repeatedly encouraged his fans to beat up protesters at his rallies, even going as far as to promise on two different occasions to pay their legal bills if they were charged with crimes.

With the exception of applauding police for roughing up gang members and his comments about Gianforte, Trump hasn’t been as explicit about encouraging violence since taking office. But he has of course repeatedly referred to the “Fake News Media” as “crazed lunatics” and “the enemy of the people,” including as recently as Wednesday — the same day Hasson was arrested.

Statements like that one aren’t direct threats, but there’s evidence some Trump supporters interpret them as a call for action. For instance, days after Trump praised Gianforte for assaulting Jacobs, someone began sending bombs to prominent Trump critics in politics and the news media.

As explosives showed up in the mail at CNN, the Clintons’ residence, and elsewhere, Trump downplayed the situation, continued attacking the media, and even seemed to suggest the package bombs were false flags meant to make Republicans look bad. But the suspect ultimately arrested in connection with the incidents turned out to literally have pro-Trump propaganda covering his van.

While the charges against Hasson indicate that his violent tendencies and extremism predate Trump’s political rise, there are indications that he was influenced by Trump’s rhetoric. The hit list he had of prominent Dems and media figures referred to Elizabeth Warren as “poca warren,” a description that appears to be shorthand for the slur Trump regularly uses for her. According to authorities, Hasson also Googled phrases like “what if trump illegally impeached” and “civil war if trump impeached.”

On February 12, a BBC camera operator was assaulted by a man wearing a MAGA hat at Trump’s first political rally of 2019. After attacking the camera operator, the assailant yelled, “Fuck the media!”

Trump briefly paused his speech, but resumed his attacks on the media minutes later. His fans responded with “CNN sucks!” chants.

The president still hadn’t commented on Hasson’s arrest as of Friday afternoon. He was finally asked about it during a question-and-answer session during an event at the White House, and denied any responsibility.

“I think my language is very nice,” Trump said when asked if he thinks he should moderate his language.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Don Overton @5.3    3 months ago

Your post is irrelevant to the conversation and to anything I have written. You are attempting a straw man tactic by arguing against something I didn't say. I have posted - repeatedly - a video of Trump condemning white nationalists and neo-nazis. Do you deny this? Do you deny that Trump said white nationalists and neo-nazis should be condemned totally?

 
 
 
lib50
5.3.2  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.1    3 months ago

One little clip of a nazi condemnation is not enough when every other thing you've said belies it.  Sorry, too much of a body of racist comments for that to help him.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
5.3.3  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Tacos! @5.3.1    2 months ago
a video of Trump condemning white nationalists and neo-nazis. Do you deny this?

Yes.  It's what you think you posted but it isn't what you pretend it to be.  And, you probably realize that as well.

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.4  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @5    3 months ago

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Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    3 months ago

Since the GOP is doing nothing, what are Democrats going to do about it?

Let voters repeat the 2008 election and give Democrats control of Congress and the White House.  What are Democrats going to do about white supremacy?

Even after obtaining complete control over elected Federal government, Democrats claimed they could do nothing because they were two seats shy of a super majority and the Republican minority obstructed everything.  So, what happens if Democrats are given a super majority?  What are Democrats going to do about white supremacy?

How much control is enough for Democrats to start addressing everything they complain about?  When are Democrats going to do something?  Are Democrats going to obstruct themselves?  Isn't that how we got Obamacare instead of financial regulations, living wages, gun control, anything to address climate change, and taxes on the rich?  If Democrats had actually done everything they promised then there wouldn't have been a need for Obamacare.

Why should voters give Democrats political power if Democrats aren't going to do anything they have promised?  Democrats have to be given power because they haven't done anything to earn it.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
7  Greg Jones    3 months ago

 What are Democrats going to do about white supremacy?

They've tried to make racism and so called white power an issue since day one of Trump's campaign and presidency.

As always, they've failed miserably. Neither issue is wide spread or more than an individual or local problem.

The seem to have been taken over by the far left radical faction, not realizing that the average American citizen doesn't want anything to do with that kind of government.

The Dems could be working with Trump on doing things for the common good for American in a bipartisan way, but all they are doing is still trying to get rid of him.  The voters are not impressed by their ongoing stupidity and  lack of purpose

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  Greg Jones @7    3 months ago
They've tried to make racism and so called white power an issue since day one of Trump's campaign and presidency.

Awww, no, Greg.  Scumbag is the one who brought  those issues with him and his toadies have been more than happy to aid and abet him.  Aren't you guys the ones who are always complaining that we should blame the perps for crimes instead of the victims but it seems, like most everything else, that's just that a cover line to deflect away from the crimes being enabled. 

 
 
 
lib50
7.2  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @7    3 months ago

Its like you bring an alternative reality, where everything Trump and republicans say and do is projected on to the opposition, no matter who it is.  STOP GASLIGHTING.  Everything you list is exactly what republicans are doing.

 
 
 
Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו
7.2.1  Atheist יוחנן בן אברהם אבינו  replied to  lib50 @7.2    3 months ago
Its like you bring an alternative reality,

And when they're not doing that they're following the Goebbel's propaganda formula:

The cleverest trick used in propaganda is to accuse  our enemies of what we ourselves are doing.

In reality it isn't clever at all but it certainly works on enough ignorant and suggestible people to frequently be successful. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
8  Don Overton    3 months ago

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