Pete Butigieg, the "Christian" Liberals like !
Pete luv's him some Christian religion....when needed.
He's the new "Pure Kennedy" of the "Left" !
The "Left" is now a Christian religious devotee.....before they weren't.
Mayor Pete, as he is affectionately called, has stood out as a devoted Christian who is speaking against the dominance of the religious right in the public square. As Buttigieg told me in an interview Friday, “The left is rightly committed to a separation of church and state … but we need to not be afraid to invoke arguments that are convincing on why Christian faith is going to point you in a progressive direction.”
“When I think about where most of Scripture points me, it is toward defending the poor, and the immigrant, and the stranger, and the prisoner, and the outcast, and those who are left behind by the way society works. And what we have now is this exaltation of wealth and power, almost for its own sake, that in my reading of Scripture couldn't be more contrary to the message of Christianity. So I think it's really important to carry a message (to the public), knitting together a lot of groups that have already been on this path for some time, but giving them more visibility in the public sphere.”
Does Buttigieg think Trump is a Christian? “I'm reluctant to comment on another person's faith, but I would say it is hard to look at this president's actions and believe that they're the actions of somebody who believes in God,” he said.
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This should piss off the "Other" religious folks in this country.
Mayor Pete is soooo "Pure" at heart.
Just Imagine...… An Out spoken "Christian" becoming President of these united States.
Will wonders never cease ?
What exactly do you feel Pete B, said should piss of religious folks?
Touts how He's "Christian".
How is he not? I mean trump claims he is a Christian and he's cheated on all three of his wives.
Nobody cares whether he's a Christian or not. What we care about is whether he's trying to make the rest of us live as Christians whether we choose so or not, and whether he walks the walk, instead of just talking the talk to pander to a gullible audience, which is what Trump does (and bigly badly).
Jimmy Carter is a Christian, and I think he's a wonderful human being who exemplifies the best of Christianity's principles.
But it matters to you if it's "Not one of your choices".
Case in Point:
" Jimmy Carter is a Christian, and I think he's a wonderful human being who exemplifies the best of Christianity's principles."
What's so funny? Jimmy Carter lives his values and doesn't try to force everybody else to adhere to them. Otherwise, what is the point of that comment?
You have a problem with a Sunday school teacher who helps build houses for the poor being called a good Christian, but no problem with Trump stealing services from vendors and defrauding donors to his fake charity and students at his fake university being called a Christian?
I wonder why I'm not surprised.
I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Maybe if you tried to post a complete thought, rather than falling back on emojis, your meaning would be more clear.
Pete says gays can make it to heaven. Fundamentalist christians say no...
WOW !
Talk about "Innuendo's" and "Conjectures".
It just keeps getting better the closer it gets to 2020.
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Just say.....Democrat Christian Mayor Pete's being a Christian is Great.
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Muslim Good, Christian Good, any other religion you can think of Good, unless it's a person of the opposite "Ideology" !
THEY JUST SUCK !
But they also say philandering con men can. Just so long as they're their philandering con men.
We'll NEVER KNOW until we die !
You know him ?
The hypocrisy is in saying that liberals don't like Christians (in opposition to the evidence, which is also dishonest), while pretending to be Christian and supporting someone says one thing and does another when it comes to religion (and quite a few other things, like abortion).
It's not me doing that.
I know good conservative Christians, good liberal Christians, and good moderate Christians. And I recognize when somebody is pretending to be Christian to pander to the less intelligent among those in the church, who can't (or refuse to) tell the difference.
I don't care what somebody claims their religious convictions are, or aren't. I vote based on their actions and attitudes toward others. Trump's attitude toward others sucks, and his actions belie his words.
I never said anything about him "NOT" being" ….. did I ?
I don't give two fucks about what Trump does religiously.
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Trump wants you, and all of us for that matter, to "Grow the Fuck Up " for a change.
Is that so hard to do ?
Mayor Pete, and all the other 23 Democrat Candidates want to give everyone Free Pacifiers and a diaper change every two days !
Well then stop trying to force something NOBODY knows for sure on the rest of us! That is the whole freaking point! Live and let live. Free will and all that.
Nope, free passifiers and diaper changes are not a part of Pete's Platform...
Do not confuse reichtwing small c christian paulist fundies with Christians.
Do tell !
Sure he does.
The guy with the elementary school vocabulary, kindergarten-level spelling skills, schoolyard bully mentality, and inability to tell the truth about anything, wants us to grow up. They guy who physically attacked his wife because her plastic surgeon couldn't make his ridiculous comb-over necessary to hide his bald spot. The guy who wanted his mistress to have an abortion, then later said women should be punished if they had abortions. They guy who called STDs his "personal Vietnam" after dodging the draft.
That's the maturity level you'd have us all aspire to.
Then why do Liberals shun away from it ?
'Cause it's too HARD ?
You heard me. Evangelical fundies are not part of mainstream Christianity.
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But Mr. Pete is 'cause he's …... one of you, one of you, one of you !
/Sarc.
Huh?
Ok I'll bite. I know the public Jimmy Carter over 40 years. WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in China?
Really ?
I hear the country didn't do so well under "Public" Jimmy Carter. His "Approval Ratings" actually SUCKED ! 34%
Sealioning again.....
What is his "Platform" ?
24 times ?
" Live and let live. Free will and all that."
That's BULLSHIT ! All the Dems running for president have all these "Rules, laws and regulations they want to get passed AGAINST EVERYONE !
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Lots of folks publicize Christianity. How is this a bother to a fellow believer? Drill down on it for us, please.
There shall be many surprises in Heaven. The books of the Bible are entirely stuffed full of God being, "amazing." The Spirit says, "Come." Fundamentalist Christians have got to lighten up on people they are down on!
You flew right past what the blog was referring to also ?
Wow !
That entire post makes no sense.
Just now seeing this one. Seems things do get past me after all! (Smile.)
As near as I can determine this is what this short blog is about: "Pete luv's him some Christian religion....when needed."
It is as if you think Pete B., is manipulating his faith for Machiavellian purposes. Do you have any proof of Pete's non-participation in the religious community of faith when he is not running for public office? After all, he is running on the so-called, "secular Left" which speaks volumes in itself and bursts a large 'bubble' of the Religious Right.
Mr. Buttigieg is a devout, Episcopalian church-goer who is homosexual: Which of these several traits smacks of political expediency to you?
Since I don't personally know Mayor Pete, I wouldn't presume to know how devout a Christian he is or how often he attends services. What I do know as factual from his online bio is that for most of his life he was a Roman Catholic.
Perhaps he decided to leave Roman Catholicism and went to the Episcopalian church when he came out of the closet and/or decided to marry? The RC church would not have accepted him.
Perhaps they are, perhaps not. No one other than Mayor Pete knows, so it's moot.
Then what's the point of not sinning if all you have to do is say, "oops, SORRY!", and do it again the next day?
Hi Jasper! Well, that should settle it, no? A Townhall opinion writer's statement. In the mouth of two are three witnesses. . . .
Moot? Drill down on that, please: What advantage does a homosexual Episcopalian parishioner, who married in a church to his husband, and stands on his faith in God, gain in a campaign for president?
I thought adultery was a big NO NO for Christians.
Yes, he could repent, but Trump said that he has never asked God for forgiveness.
That's for sure !
He's really, Really nice and lets you choose what you want to pay for his new Harlequin Novel.
Jimmy Carter was our last Christian President. Every President since then were just "Christians". (Quotes borrowed from the headline)
I'm not sure why you made such a big deal out of what I said, because I never said that he wasn't an Episcopalian.
No problem, Jasper! Your comment pivoted off a comment I made to "It is Me." In that one, I was attempting to get It is Me to elaborate further on what it was I, "flew right past what the blog was referring to. . . ."
So when you said:
You were mistaken.
Jimmy Carter is no more a Christian than the Dali Lama
True followers of Jesus keep His words as He commanded. Carter is so opposed to that command from Jesus that he publicly renounced his affilation with the doctrines of Christ
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Carter supports abortion, homosexual behavior and homosexual marriage.
He supports socialism
he support Islam over Judaism and the existence of Israel
he no longer agrees with Jesus that He is the only path of salvation
So much to say there. But will suffice to condense it down to:
Luke 18:
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
And LFOD you would be hard-pressed to find an occasion in the New Testament where Christians used politics to lord over other people. "The Busybody Syndrome."
It would behoove you to review the topic of the seed FW.
Hint: It's about Christianity in politics.
I have no righteousness of my own. My righteousness comes from Christ alone.
but Christians are commanded to follow absolutely the teachings of Jesus and to live holy lives.
We are born again in Christ as new people to put on righteousness and holiness
“For I tell you this: you will not enter the kingdom of heaven unless your righteousness goes deeper than the Pharisees’, even more righteous than the most learned learner of the law.”
Matthew 5:20
“But you have not so learned Christ, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.” Ephesians 4:20-24
“Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord”. Hebrews 12:14
“Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” 2 Corinthians 7:1
“Come worship the Lord God wearing the splendor of holiness. Let everyone wait in wonder as they tremble in awe before him.”
Psalm 96:9 Passion Translation
“God’s will is for you to be set apart for him in holiness and that you keep yourselves unpolluted from sexual defilement. For God’s call on our lives is not to a life of compromise and perversion but to a life surrounded in holiness. Therefore, whoever rejects this instruction isn’t rejecting human authority but God himself, who gives us his precious gift —his Spirit of holiness.”
1 Thessalonians 4:3,7-8 Passion Translation
i don’t Lord over anyone. I simply obey God
Luke 17:3,4
“If another believer sins, rebuke that person; then if there is repentance, forgive. Even if that person wrongs you seven times a day and each time turns again and asks forgiveness, you must forgive.”
Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you. Titus 2:15
2 Timothy 4:1,2. I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
Again, YOU are the one that stated:
Then you admitted that cheating on your wife is indeed a NO NO in Christian tenents, which have EVERYTHING to do with being Christian.
You had no issue with posting about 'cheating on your wife' yet suddenly have an issue with talking about adultery. Perhaps you'd like to explain the difference for the sake of this discussion.
Let's just sum up all your other verses in the above:
As believers it would behoove the 'body' to communicate better in our 'own house' the meaning of words, doctrines, and histories before we go off trying to fix the unbelieving world. What exactly do we want the unbelieving world to understand about us - with our multiplicity of voices? Brother LFOD we have a great deal of work, some could dare declare an insurmountable task ahead to restore and repair the breaches in the 'hull' of our ship of faith!
Thus, great humility is required from the body of Christ. Well was Jesus to warn us in a question:
What is faith that has lost its 'salt' and its compassion, and simply seeks to be dogma for dogma sake?
You certainly cannot follow Christ perfectly if you are depending upon yourself
but we can obey Jesus to do so by the indwelling presence and power of the Holy Spirit coupled with our being born again as a new person in Christ
“For if a man is in Christ he becomes a new person altogether—the past is finished and gone, everything has become fresh and new
For God caused Christ, who himself knew nothing of sin, actually to be sin for our sakes, so that in Christ we might be made good with the goodness of God.
2 Corinthians 5:17,21. JB PHILLIPS translation
“As you yield freely and fully to the dynamic life and power of the Holy Spirit, you will abandon the cravings of your self - life. For your self - life craves the things that offend the Holy Spirit and hinder him from living free within you! And the Holy Spirit’s intense cravings hinder your old self - life from dominating you! So then, the two incompatible and conflicting forces within you are your self - life of the flesh and the new creation life of the Spirit. But when you are brought into the full freedom of the Spirit of grace, you will no longer be living under the domination of the law, but soaring above it! The cravings of the self-life are obvious: Sexual immorality, lustful thoughts, pornography,
Galatians 5:16-19
“Jesus said to all of his followers, “If you truly desire to be my disciple, you must disown your life completely, embrace my ‘cross’ as your own, and surrender to my ways. For if you choose self-sacrifice, giving up your lives for my glory, you will embark on a discovery of more and more of true life. But if you choose to keep your lives for yourselves, you will lose what you try to keep. Even if you gained all the wealth and power of this world, everything it could offer you, yet lost your soul in the process, what good is that? So why then are you ashamed of being my disciple? Are you ashamed of the revelation-truth I give to you? “I, the Son of Man, will one day return in my radiant brightness, with the holy angels and in the splendor and majesty of my Father, and I will be ashamed of all who are ashamed of me.”
Luke 9:23-26 (Passion Translation)
If it's not about adultery, how can your point about 'cheating on your wife' still be valid?
That's just deflection. The seed is about Christianity and the comment you replied to was about Trump claiming to be a Christian.
My comment wasn't sarcastic in any way and it was in direct reply to yours.
Yet my comment 'clearly referenced Christianity TOO, didn't it?
So what was you motive for posting about 'cheating on your wife"?
Where was that implied? I merely stated that it was a NO NO.
Christians violate their own dogma ad nauseam.
That whole RCC confession thingy gives them absolution to rinse and repeat.
Repentance, something Trump has none of, also clears the slate but they're supposed to 'sin no more'. Yet as they admit, they are still all sinners though it doesn't keep them from being sanctimonious.
LFOD just doesn't like Democrats, that's the only reason he is attacking Carter.
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I don’t like either party but that has nothing to do with my criticism of Carter. I had hopes for him when he was elected. But he has proven himself to be a leftist president. My criticism concern mostly his departure from Christ which have NOTHING to do with politics
Have you settled the larger question:
Now then, drill down on this for me: You must disown your life completely. Practically speaking, have you done this completely in every area of your life-no shortcoming of any kind at all? Really?
Please bring back the deleted scriptural verses!
This is not right! The use of scripture to make a point, especially in context of a discussion with a peer-believers about another believer, is not proselytizing. Nobody can determine another individual's motivation that way! It is not fair to,
Proselytizing can not condense down to the mere mentioning of bible verses! Please bring back the deleted scriptural verses!
Matthew 5: 27-28:
27“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
OPPS!
Since you don't seem to answer questions, I'll ask this one rhetorically.
What's your point?
So you support my statement but claim that it's an attack. Interesting...
I have never taught, preached, or lived other than grace through faith. The law is obsolete since Christ
i walked away from a corporate executive position almost 30 years ago for the gospel.
i have rid myself of more than 95% of my possessions years ago (that less than 5% includes my basic clothes, cookware, and house and farming basic tools)
I live on approx $20,000 a year
i go to restaurants about 4-5 times a year
movie theater once or twice every 2-3 years
my computer is 7 years old and my phone and iPad are more than 4 years old
i have no cable or internet service, using my phone or iPad for those seervices
im blessed with a wife who shares my values and simplicity of life
i have not been to a vacation destination in over 30 years and have only taken two vacations since 1986
i have no 401k, sold what stocks I owned for the work of ministry in 1999
my life belongs to Christ
You've yet to make a point to attack.
Please proceed.
I pay taxes that support all religions.
BTW, why do you expect answers to your questions yet fail to answer them yourself?
Then give Pete the benefit of knowing whether he lives in grace...
After all, that is not up to you.
Nope. He promotes things that are in complete opposition to the teachings of Jesus
1. I am humbled that you would bear your life story to me and this room. It is more than what is needed, nevertheless.
Because you could always divest lower, lower, and lower still. You still have things in your life, which you can let go. But, that is not what I meant anyway.
One can contrast your style of life against that of a 'giant' in the faith industry CBN's Paul and Jan Couch's (both deceased) ownership of satellite television networks, and be hard-pressed to determine between you who is providing a more clear service to the body of Christ. Remember the woman who dropped a penny into the treasury in the sight of Jesus and the rich man who was willing to give mightily to the incoming new kingdom of God—but not all he had.
My life belongs to Christ. And I am certain I have shortcomings. Apostle Paul had shortcomings! Even Jesus' disciple in his company asked, "Lord, Increase my faith!" It is impossible for us to do and be all things in faith in this life. Moreover, God knows this and has made provision for it.
2. The Law is obsolete. Then, under grace and faith Pete Buttigieg now lives. By faith, he is trusting his manner of living to the judgement of God. As only God can judge the servant of God.
You, me, and others are relieved of judging another's ultimate end. We simply trust that God will make everything in Heaven according to God's will. All we have to do is demonstrate love!
And you were given the examples and symbols of the thief on the cross and the worker who entered into labor near the end of the day and Isaiah with unclean lips and hands made clean for the work of God "Lord, send me." —my sanctified spirit just leaped in me) and Paul who promoted death to the sect of The Way and Peter who was told to, "kill and eat" that which before he considered unclean: God reserves the rights and privileges to make righteous and call clean that God wills!
As far as anyone can know, God could want a 'number' of faithful (alone) from the same-sex community to come in as they are: God can and will supply whatever else is needed. Note: The Word informs us there is no sexual activity to worry over and against in Heaven.
As believers, we simply must humble ourselves to know our place under God and not try to get out ahead of God.
Sorry but no amount of rationalization can divorce clear teaching from Jesus on what sins separate mankind from God. Sexual immorality which is ANY sex outside of the marriage of a man and a woman defiles you with God. Jesus stated that without any ambiguity
You cannot live in grace and faith according to the teachings of Jesus if you continue in sin
does His admonition to “go and sin no more” ring a bell in your scripture memory
I answered your question. I could not care less if you like the answer or not.
You should report that to someone.
Jesus was talking about divorce, NOT sex.
Where did Jesus state it clearly? And how many instances of this special revelation do you have to show me?
I don't know. It does cross my mind that LFOD thinks God and Jesus require dogma void of practical application in the lives of people who otherwise need faith, hope, and love as Champion. After all, God listed a host of biblical examples of people entering into the spiritual body of eternal faith simply because of belief/trust/faith alone.
Yes, I do remember the woman caught in adultery. Which scripture would you quote back to Jesus to 'heave the first stone' at her' were you to catch her in adultery yet again?
Let's add on a new layer. Pete Buttigieg is not living in fornication. You may remember, the marriage bed is undefiled. Yes?
Carter is 10x the Christian trump and pence are, combined.
Mr. Carter certainly dedicated his presidency and life story to service. He put his hand to the plow and when he and Rosalind 'go the way of all the earth' many people will attend their farewell in presence and in spirit. For the two did as God asked them to do: glorify and magnify the name of God. They did so without becoming an abiding offense too. They will be blessed and remembered.
The Carters shall be remembered for holding authority, power, and influence in discipline and check and not suffering its radiating corrupting effects. They will be remembered by people like you, me, and throngs of people MrFrost in that 'day,' because we recognize and approve of those who can stand in the refiner's fire and come away pure gold!
No good can come to those who would turn up their noses against good people in body, mind, and spirit. Believer's should know that we are not to malign (speak evil of) good people, even when we disapprove of something they may have done. We "champion" the good in them—especially, because we honor God in doing so!
I answered that but it got deleted as so called proselytizing when it was an explanation of the issue not an appeal to believe anything.
May I cut in? I imagine religious folks wonder about his Christian faith "pointing" him somewhere when he is pro-abortion among other things.
Not that Trump is part of this conversation, but exactly when did Donald Trump claim to be a model Christian?
Then you and anyone else that are worrying about the state of his soul and all the talk and judgments about what god likes or dislikes are just guessing and should shut up.
His guess is every bit as valid as anybody's.
Perhaps you should review the billions that the federal government spends on 'faith based' programs.
It's only monumental because Trump spends millions every week to golf.
Anyone with an adult understanding of the fact that taxpayers don't get to delineate where their taxes are spent.
54% of women who have an abortion are Christian.
BTW even those women are not properly characterized as 'pro-abortion'.
You seem to worship Paul, not Jesus. Paul was the one with all the sexual hangups.
And why do the fundies always harp on sex, when the bible says that all sins are equal? It's truly bizarre. Yet they support a lying, cheating, fraud while pretending to be all holier than thou.
[delete.] I quoted mainly the words of Jesus teaching that sexual sins defile a person and will send them to hell.
i certainly do not worship Paul. Paul taught exactly what Jesus taught him. That’s why the other Apostles accepted him as an Apostle and why Peter said that Paul’s letters were scripture.
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Trump and his followers do not follow Christ.
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I probably follow Jesus' message much better than you do.
And I used to be Christian - apparently I've studied the bible more than you have. Paul contradicted some of Jesus' teachings, which I would have expected you to know. And Jesus didn't say much about sex at all.
I can’t speak for fundamentalists since I am not one. But as a Christian all sins indeed are equally damaging, but those committing other than sexual sins are not promoting them as good and to be celebrated. If they did they would indeed merit equal attention
It’s not Trumps words or past behavior we support. It’s his policies which are a return towards Constitutional limited government and rolling back the Democrats attacks on Christian values and liberty.
The values of the Democrats are extremely immoral and contrary to individualism and liberty. They demand forced statist collectivism which is enslavement to the state
I can't speak for the values of Democrats since I am not one. But it's rather amusing that the same fundies who get their panties in a wad when a baker is forced to obey the laws, come up with all kinds of excuses as to why their support for Trump is acceptable from a religious perspective. Their obsession with sex (especially sex that other people are having) seem to make them unable to grasp actual biblical concepts and Jesus' message, preferring instead to share Paul's rants about sex.
You're kidding right? The sin of coveting is celebrated and promoted above all in our society.
And what about gluttony? Why aren't they out there protesting against obese people who dare to eat in public? Especially if they have a happy look on their face - celebrating their immorality by daring to enjoy what they're eating?
cracks me up how Pete draws out the most closeted and bigoted conservatives.
"The "2017's Fattest States in America" WalletHub ranking found Mississippi to be the heavyweight at No. 1, followed by West Virginia , Tennessee, Arkansas and Louisiana . The least fat state was Colorado."
Notice anything those States have in common? That's right! They are all deep red bastions of religious conservative Republicans.
Mississippi has a higher rate of obesity than of college educated citizens with 37% obese and 32% college graduates.
Sure you can! 'Wade' on in!
Now then, what does abortion have to do with God anyway? Has it even crossed the conservative mind that propagandizes on this topic (as an exercise and profit too) that science and God are acting together to give women relief from being 'corralled' into living out expression, "bare-foot and pregnant"?
Going from one pregnancy directly into another pregnancy?
China had a one-child policy until 2015, due to its exploding population. World governments allow aborting of millions upon millions each year.
Women can produce beyond necessity, but who the heaven are going to want to raise all these children? What do see happening: Slavery being reintroduced into society?
No Vic, not you, your church, your pro-life group, or your community want to raise any number of children that are not issuing from its loins. But, it is interesting (and ridiculous) for pro-lifers to tell other folks what they should do with their bodies to make you, your church, your pro-life group, and your community content at heart!
Practically-speaking, conservatives must not make the connection to the complains and activities they present over welfare and healthcare as it stands in the country today, at-known if more children were brought into the world.
Now, may I cut in? Before we ask Trump to be a model Christian, can you ask him to cease being an obsessive liar and megalomaniac?
For working to resolve some of the long-term problems and hurtful policies of this country and occurring around the world I, we, do not condemn Trump; for operating to establish approximately one-third of the U.S. voting population (his base) hopes and dreams above approximately two-thirds of voters hopes and dreams he is guilty as charged.
And you are arguing just for the sake of arguing. You really don't have anything in your comments that shows an inkling that you actually know what you talking about.
Prove it
I pay taxes as well, at the point of a gun.
So, not a patriot?
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The "Left" is the Strawmen....and Yes …… Strawwomen.
Christians suck until Mayor Pete "Honey Dew" came along.
"Tell 'em your Muslim" and Anti-Semite comments are the most important things to protect in this country in the "Congressional Lefts" Mind.
But Pence and his wife, and anyone else that says they are Christian on the "Ideological Right", should be damned to hell for all eternity.
Your "Strawman" claim holds NO water.
Most liberals in America are Christians.
This is the straw man.
A lie told about your opponent's position.
A dishonest tactic.
Pence and his wife aren't being attacked for being Christians. They're being attacked for being bigots and supporting bigotry while using Christianity as an excuse for said bigotry.
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No, I'm just not acquiescing to your lies.
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calling us and our beliefs bigots and bigotry doesn’t make it so but it does say something about the name callers who do so...
Is your name Mike Pence?
No?
Then I didn't call you anything at all.
Yet another straw man.
I will proudly call anti-LGBT bigotry bigotry, because that's what it is. Are you defending bigotry?
What an interesting understanding of statistics.
I believe what he does so when you call him a bigot for what he believes you are calling all of us that.
As I said, I have not called you anything. What description you choose for yourself is your own concern.
Oh bullshit Xx.
YOU don't believe that Christians are one for all and all for one...
Remember, you insisted that NT needed a Christian Mod? Oh and it couldn't be just any old Christian, it has to be an Evangelical Christian.
Mayor Pete is an interesting fellow. At one time, his father studied to become a Jesuit priest, and Mayor Pete spent most of his life as a Roman Catholic going to RC schools. At some point after that, Mayor Pete left the RC Church and became an Episcopalian, but I don't know why.
I wonder why Mayor Pete's Christianity is more acceptable than VP Pence's Christianity to many on the Left.
I'm trying to figure that out myself.....But I'm sure you've read the responses from the "Left" here.
STILL ……. Wondering !
Yes, I have, and I've seen it elsewhere. Seems that some only approve of "D"-flavored Christianity.
Well, I wish Mayor Pete well. He has a long climb before he reaches Biden's numbers!
That's the get out of everything "Ticket" for sure.
I couldn't give a snot about either one's Christianity, it should be immaterial to their fitness for office. The problem comes when someone like pitiful Pence tries to push his Christianity on everyone else by supporting anti-choice legislation as well as regurgitating anti-Muslim and other religiously motivated bullshit.
Oddly enough its been explained right here on this seed many times. Try the refresh button.
Some choose not to understand.
Bigoted, biased opinions aren't factual explanations.
This discussion was started because the right doesn't understand why a lot of people think the hypocritical evangelicals have vacuous values. We told you why, that's a FACT. The only bigotry is that of those who want to force everybody else to adhere to their own bigoted religious beliefs and usurp everybody elses personal beliefs. [deleted]
Pete is a "Different Kind of Christian" for Liberals. "Identity Politics" again dontchyaknow.
And that describes most who call others bigots or bigoted over their religious beliefs
Because he's not a bigot, liar, or fake or hypocrite: Not that the article will show you how ill prepared you are to talk about religion in any way or to give you thought
The Way We Never Were: Calling Out Evangelicals For Hypocrisy Misses the Point
Feb 20, 2019, 2:39pm Hollis Phelps
Much of the discussion of white evangelicals laments the loss of their moral standing, but such criticisms suffer under the misunderstanding that white evangelicalism in the United States has somehow devolved from a once salutary moral vision to brute political opportunism.
One mai nstay of our current political discourse is the injudicious use of the term “hypocrisy” to call out one’s political opponents. Charges of hypocrisy are ubiquitous across the political spectrum, but they play a significant role in religious critiques of Trump and his evangelical supporters.
Writing for the Guardian , Samuel G. Freedman, for instance, portrays Trump as a modern-day Cyrus, the ancient Persian ruler who, according to biblical traditions, allowed the Babylonian exiles from Judah to return to their homeland. Freedman suggests, “ Under King Cyrus Trump, however, the religious right has laid bare its hypocrisy, and indeed its heresy.” He goes on to hope that perhaps one day “white evangelicals will recover some of their ethical and religious moorings.”
Jay Caruso expresses much the same sentiment. Writing for the Dallas Morning News , he notes that when it comes to evangelical support for Trump, “all of the lying, multiple marriages, multiple sexual assault and harassment allegations, ugly comments about immigrants, petty and vindictive insults thrown at people who dare to criticize him—none of it matters.” Evangelical leaders like Robert Jeffress—who just last week referred to evangelicals who don’t support Trump as “ spineless morons ”— proudly wear their “hypocrisy” on their sleeves.
Such charges of hypocrisy against evangelical supporters is as old as Trump’s campaign, and by now has become a standard feature of the discourse. Unfortunately, such criticisms are, for the most part, painfully anemic.
To begin with, such criticisms often assume that white evangelicalism in the United States has somehow devolved from a once salutary moral vision to brute political opportunism. Or, as Paul Robeson Ford recently argued, evangelicals have lost their “moral standing” with the broader culture.
Such “moral standing,” however, has always been more of a political self-designation, designed to implement conservative, often racist and/or discriminatory, policies under the guise of religious convictions. Although abortion and, now, LGBTQ rights serve as its contemporary calling card, the religious right in the United States, as some have argued, has its origins in racial segregation , particularly the establishment of private Christian schools as a work-around to the desegregation policies that emerged out of Brown v Board of Education . Given this history, it’s not surprising that those on the religious right would continue to support a president that is, by most sane accounts, a racist himself.
Moreover, if the religious right does consider itself to have some “moral standing,” it’s largely out of touch with majority opinion. Fifty-eight percent of Americans support abortion rights , and over 60% support gay marriage. Evangelicals don’t have much “moral standing” with most—and, in fact, they never did. Contemporary evangelicalism in the United States projects its “morality” onto culture at large, and the media often buy it with little hesitation. It’s difficult to assume that they are acting in good faith, though, and in this sense they mirror the president.
Writing for the Washington Post , Greg Sargent recently noted that Trump’s declaration of a national emergency is “a sham based on nothing but bad-faith motives and invented metrics.” While a solid majority of Americans aren’t buying it, evangelicals are: some two-thirds agree with Trump that there is a national emergency at the border that warrants Trump’s declaration.
Calling out evangelicals for their hypocrisy, in this sense, misses the point. Specifically, it assumes that they are, at the end of the day, good-faith actors. Sure, it would be nice if evangelicals would acknowledge the apparent disconnect between their political activity and the various biblical mandates and themes that would contradict said activity. But the charge of hypocrisy more often than not falls on deaf ears, for the simple reason that they don’t consider themselves hypocrites. Evangelicals—like most Christians, I might add—have no problem garnering support for their positions from biblical texts, an exercise made possible by the fact that the Bible is a diverse, complicated, often contradictory collection of books.
And this observation applies to those calling themselves the “Christian left” as well. Jesus, they say, is all about love, welcoming the other, caring for the poor, and welcoming migrants—without the need for costly, ineffective walls. For some, Jesus is also apparently a democratic socialist.
But let’s also not forget that, in the Book of Revelation, “ out of [Jesus’] mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. ‘He will rule them with an iron scepter.’ He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.”
Let me make two suggestions by way of conclusion. First, we should drop all criticism of evangelicals as hypocritical, as somehow out of step with otherwise stated ideals. Such ideals remain too abstract for the sake of criticism and, if we cut past the lofty religious rhetoric, we’ll find that contemporary evangelicalism is simply what it is. There’s no depth behind their political activism and posturing, for these simply constitute evangelicalism in its contemporary form. It’s their religion.
Second, those on the so-called Christian left would do well to acknowledge that evangelicalism is Christianity too. That may make many uncomfortable, but let’s face it: Christianity, in its 2000-year history , has driven empire, colonialism, racism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, and the like—and whole swaths of peoples and territories have been and continue to be subject to this brutal regime . Maybe it’s time for liberal Christians to revisit Eduardo Galeano’s Open Veins of Latin America , as a start.
Perhaps thinking along these lines—without the constant charge of hypocrisy—will help us move beyond the apparent stalemate we now found ourselves in.
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Well, I think Trump does believe in God, he just believes he is that God and doesn't believe he is accountable to anyone or anything.
The vast majority of the "left" in America have always considered themselves devout Christians. There was no "before they weren't". Those who believe otherwise may want to get checked for chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
You totally missed the "concept" again, didn't ya !
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Second lady Karen Pence will teach art part time at a Christian school in the Washington suburbs
"Mike Pence is an extremist bigot. Karen Pence is an extremist bigot. She's unfit to even be around kids, let alone teach them. Anyone willing to allow their kid to be taught by a dangerous monster like Karen Pence is unfit to be a parent. Ask me how I really feel.
— Palmer Report (@PalmerReport) January 16, 2019
Mayor Petes Christianity is Better. He's running as a Democrat .
Nope. I completely understood the supposed "concept" you were expressing, I just found it to not only be false, but immeasurable stupid. [deleted]
Missing the point. Its not about belonging to a religion, its about how you live the values. The christian right political crowd has proven they don't really care about values unless they can repress and judge another group, or they ditch the values they think they have for political wins. Trump is not a christian by any measure, but somehow inane lip service passes. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions speak against the message of Jesus. Stop trying to force everybody in the country to adhere to faux political values dressed up as religious values. That boat sailed with Trump.
That's Crap ! You and the rest of the "Liberal" types fall all over yourself Defending Talib and Omar type comments.
"This is what they really meant" ……. Right ?
Mayor Pete has nothing of value to say as to "Specifics" when being asked about what he will do if he gets to be president of this country. He goes off on some "Feel Good" Christian rant as an answer. But his Christianity "Feels Good" to "Liberal Types". Makes them all a tingle.
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what was my "Concept" in your mind ?
Liberal "Pinterest Memes" are funny.
Read them all the time.
"Pete luv's him some Christian religion....when needed."
"He's the new "Pure Kennedy" of the "Left" !"
"The "Left" is now a Christian religious devotee.....before they weren't."
Your "concept" (not sure why you're using that word instead of 'premise' or 'point') based on those comments indicates you believe Pete and others on the "left" to be "fair weather Christians". That the "left" only appeals to Christians when it's politically expedient. This, of course, is total nonsense, but that is what your comment implied. Maybe I am wrong and the words you use have completely different meanings in religious conservative Bizzaro world, but based on the dictionary definitions and English grammar structures it would be difficult to claim you meant something completely different.
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Is it that you have a problem understanding the words I wrote? Is it that you're pointlessly dragging this on in an attempt to troll?
Concept: noun - an abstract idea; a general notion.
Premise: verb - base an argument, theory, or undertaking on.
Point: noun - the significant or essential element of what is intended or being discussed.
I'm glad you're proficient at emoji's, but you might try working on some vocabulary so that you can actually express more than disdain and golf claps.
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I did....didn't you read my comment ?
Well this is getting boring. If you're just going to repeat idiotic rhetorical questions that go nowhere and aren't anywhere close to the topic then please, do go emoji giggle yourself into spasms, that seems to be the one thing you're adept at.
So you didn't use the word "Context". That's scary.
Any politician will be prone to pursuing policies that reflect his personal belief system. Sometimes those beliefs come from a religious background and sometimes they don't. And, as with any move by government, some people will support the policy and some will not. Some will try to attack the policy on the grounds that it is religiously motivated, but that approach doesn't get at whether the policy is a good one or not.
Blogs are supposed to be original material
This is essentially a seed with no moderation.
This blog is has been moved to the main forum where it will get proper moderation. [ph]
This whole article might have more credibility if the name of the person to be vilified by it was spelled correctly. The man's name is
Not sure of the misspelling of the name is an intentional insult or just plain stupidity. Either way, it, like the article itself, is totally inane.
If Americans wanted to be proud for the right reasons of their POTUS, as they were IMO with JFK, they would vote for Buttigieg. At this point I would vote for him if I were an American. Unfortunately superior intelligence and ability, and common sense, are not taken into consideration by the masses and since he is pro-Israel he doesn't stand a chance as a Democrat.
I don't understand why you think democrats don't support Israel. I don't support Netanyahu, never have. Don't trust him he is corrupt and lies. And there are Israeli policies I don't agree with. Even thought I'm not a democrat, I can only conclude you think the only way to support Israel is agreeing with anything they do, although I doubt its that simple. I'd like to know though. Not supporting Likud policies isn't the same as not supporting Israel. Here in the US, Trumpublicans have been quietly (sometimes not so quiet) welcoming the neo-nazis and white supremacists and anti-Semitic incidents and violence are exploding. Racism and anti-Semitism out in the open and growing.
Not all Democrats don't support Israel, but if they support BDS that is an organization that is trying with the "camouflage" of supporting the Palestinian cause is calling for the destruction of Israel and the annihilation of the Jews. What do you think "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." means? When Democrats such as Bernie Sandler support BDS, and the Democratic Party champions Omar and Tlieb notwithstanding their patent antisemitism, besides the fact that the left (represented by and following the lead of the Democrats) is losing support for Israel and replacing it with support for the Palestinians, it's hard for me to believe that the Democrats generally are not turning away from Israel. Netanyahu may not be an ideal leader but if Israel did not have a leader who has the balls to do whatever is necessary to keep Israel secure to save its citizen's lives it may as well move its people to Alaska as some Palestinian has suggested.
Buzz...First, as you know, I am not a Democrat. But, your seemingly accusing all Democrats of not supporting Israel is really pretty far fetched.
Granted, there may be some Democrats that don't support Israel, just as there are some Republicans and Independents and other political type parties that also do not support Israel for their own reasons, but, that does not mean all of them do not support Israel. Heck, some of them don't seem to even support the US!
Just because some people may not agree with some of the Israel policies does not mean they don't support the country and people as a whole. So using such a broad brush when accusing Democrats of not supporting Israel is really not quite fair.
I don't like BiBi....never have, and I don't trust him in any way, but, that does not mean I do not support Israel. I have always supported Israel, but, some of its leaders have not been fair to Israel or its people, but, that should not make me an enemy of Israel just because I don't support some of its leaders. I don't support Trump, or some of the other Presidents of the US, but, I have always supported my country and its people. There is a difference.
"Accusing all Democrats"? Did you not read that I said this? "Not all Democrats don't support Israel" You cannot deny, however, that there is movement AWAY from the support of Israel.
I must have posted a hundred times that I have been critical of Israel, its government, its leaders, its IDF, its Judiciary, its settlers and especially its ultra-Orthodox Haradim, POSTED ON THIS SITE and I think I will ask Perrie to put it as a permanent banner on the top of the site title because I am CONSTANTLY being criticized for accusing others of such criticism. I KNOW you don't support the Israeli government and Netanyahu in particular, and I KNOW that you support Israel's continued existence. I don't like Netanyahu either, but I also know that without a strong and forceful leader Israel may just as well move to Antarctica because Hamas and Islamic Jihad will wipe it off the map. Golda Meir had it right: "If the Arabs lay down their arms there will be peace, but if Israel lays down its arms there will be no more Israel."
Buzz...it was not my intention to make you angry, and if I have done so, I truly apologize. I realize that Israel needs a strong leader to counter the other countries is needs to defend itself against, both politically and forcefully. But, I suggest that there could be others who are quite capable in that respect besides a man like BiBi. He is for himself first and Israel second, or maybe, even third.
I truly want the best for Israel and all its people, and that includes a peace that will last and give the young people a chance to see what a peaceful country can bring. But, as long as there is an a person like BiBi in charge, that hope seems like just a dream that is unlikely to come true.
As you know, many Native American Tribes have an affinity with the Jewish people, and and there are many similarities between our people. I consider the Jewish people to be my Brothers and Sisters, and wish only the best for them. IMHO, Israel does not need to worry about what the Democrats or any other political entity thinks about Israel, as Israel has shown the world that they are no easy push over, and they have as much right to be part of this world as any other country. IMO, by putting too much attention to what other countries or political parties think is giving them too much credit that most of them don't deserve.
Just my own thoughts and opinion.
Don't even THINK that I'm angry with you. You should know by now that I have great respect for you and admire you. I wish everyone felt the same way you do. However, I guess most of the Israelis themselves, who want to survive, feel differently about Bibi.
Double negatives tend to confuse people, don't you agree?
LOL. Yes, I should have worded it more carefully. I really intended it to mean that there are Democrats who do support Israel, but those who support BDS are supporting its destruction.
Thank you Buzz....I am glad that I did not make you angry. And I gather that most Israelis see a different side of Bibi than what many of us see from a distance. I only hope that he lives up to their trust in him.
Why would you vote for him. Is it the way he speaks eloquently and softly ?
Obama started out that way, Got a Nobel Peace Prize before he even got going, then "Blew-Up" a few places on this planet.
I respect Rhodes Scholars, I knew one named Bob Rae who was Premier of my Province of Ontario and so I was very much aware of his intelligence and all-around capabilities. To be a Rhodes Scholar one must not only be intelligent, an excellent athlete, but also generally a very talented individual. I assume Buttigieg must speak eloquently and articulately in many languages. He would gain respect from foreign leaders around the world because of that.
Why did Obama get the Nobel for anyway? What peace did he accomplish?
"Can't we all just get along" by world leaders doesn't do anything for actual citizens. It's just a Great Big Expensive party game the politicians throw for each other, to get a "Back Pat" now and again from each other. Then a bomb or missile or two shows up on us citizens door step. Meanwhile, the Politicians speak eloquently again to tell us "They feel our pain", over and over and over …….AGAIN !
Or allowing floods of "Illegals" to come into the country (many countries have been through that so far), that end up not to be for the eloquent leaders own citizens, but for themselves, and the hope of getting re-elected because "They Felt" for others …… AGAIN !
I want an In your face type president when it comes to world politics.
My most fav time of Trumps (And I LOL'd for hours over it), is when he made his speech in the Uber costly U.N. Pretty headquarters building, and told these eloquent soft speaking leaders how he felt about the Huge bucks they were able to gather together for that monument to themselves, but they couldn't gather up the bucks it took for actual protection of their own citizens.
Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar but a lousy athlete. He could have been remembered as one of our greatest Presidents.
Clinton never completed his Rhodes Scholarship two-year course of study. It seems that he spent a good portion of his short time at Oxford partying and using drugs.
figures
He brought to an OFFICIAL end to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Does this mean you wont be voting for him ~30 years ago? I am sure he is devastated.
The Nobel committee must have had a crystal ball. The Iraq war didn't officially end until 2011.
Could be. Trump will never get one, of that we can be sure.
Yeah....and Trump would never be President.
But your right, apparently accomplishments mean nothing.
That's not true. But, so what? White presidents never got-get anything simply for the skin they are in? Think long and hard on that one, but not too long.
Officially, other white folks (Norwegians in this case) gave out the prize as they often do for their own purposes . It's theirs to detail as they see fit. You could send conservative disapproval to those folks if you think they will care. But, I won't leave you with just that:
Nobel prize win 'humbles' Obama
US President Barack Obama has said he was "surprised and deeply humbled" to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, less than 10 months into his presidency.
Speaking at the White House hours after the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee named him as a surprise winner, he said the award should be a "call to action".
The world faced challenges that "cannot be met by one person or by one nation alone," Mr Obama said.
The committee said he won for efforts to boost diplomacy and co-operation.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the Norwegian committee said in a statement.
"His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."
Long-term goals
Standing in the Rose Garden to make his first public statement since being woken early by aides bringing news of the award, Mr Obama stressed that his win was just the beginning of his work.
He said he did not feel he deserved to be in the company of some of the "transformative figures" who had previously received the award.
Some of his aims, particularly the goal of universal nuclear disarmament, would be difficult to achieve even within his lifetime, let alone his presidency, Mr Obama said.
And he sought to deflect some of the global surprise at his win, describing the award as "affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations".
"I know that throughout history the Nobel Peace Prize has not just been used to honour specific achievements," he said.
"It's also been used as a means to give momentum to a set of causes. And that is why I will accept this award as a call to action, a call for all nations to confront the common challenges of the 21st Century."
The White House has said that the cash prize that accompanies the award will be distributed among several charities.
President Obama owes you, no other conservative, or anyone else an apology for what was bestowed on him. Of course, according to you he did not deserve to stay in the White House. So there is that. Anyway, here are the committee rules and standards (below).
Oh, you care alright and Barack humbly accepted the award (there will be no apology forthcoming at this late date). Moreover, conservatives should have something to live for so, wait and see why the first black president was nominated by white Norwegians to get their world-prestigious award. One would think 'white folks' just would not give such things to anybody hanging around on the international stage! The nerve! /Sarcasm.
Well, we'll just have to wait and see read your critique (no early offering of an award yet) when and if President Trump, who objectifies 60 percent of the U.S. citizenry (he was raised up beside) is offered some kind of international award from other white people—or black people, for that matter. Putin has an 'eligible' awards standard, yes?
Well, there you go - "Prophet." You can always bet on Trump to show up in a conservative stream of consciousness. White folks gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize, and you have the gall to ask why. Texan, did it ever dawn on you some eleven years later that these good folks saw something in Barack Obama besides his 'housing'? You do realize that, well Tex', not everybody experiences life after the same manner of living as you, yes?
Sweet dreams tonight of Obama and the Norwegians who bestowed early honors on him and his presidency. Those Norwegians and their 'angles.' Doggone it! They must have thought highly of our former new president to honor him so. Could it be the committee felt they had something in common with Barack?
Well, in a few more decades if Newstalkers is still up and running- you can report your findings, Texan! Other than that, why don't you give the black 'housing' a pass?!
We rejoice that the nightmare of Hussein Obama and his pragmatic Marxist revolution ideology are gone.
we celebrate daily that he can no longer damage our Republic
What a bigoted comment. And clearly intended to pretend that Obama isn't just as Christian as you are - spreading that fake bullshit about him being Muslim.
Really?
Bush negotiated the peace in Iraq and the war continues in Afghanistan. Obama quadrupled the number of military personnel in Afghanistan and more than twice as many Americans died there under Obama than during Bush
To be fair, he just used Barack's middle name, though there is no doubt his middle name is a blatant dog whistle to racists. It would be like some right wing religious conservative extremists having the middle name "Hitler" so every time you said their name you intentionally included it, like referring to Sean Hannity as "Hitler Hannity". President Obama didn't choose his middle name, but he did choose his own faith and he claims to be Christian and raises his family as Christians and Michelle was raised a Methodist and they were married in a Christian Church and they go to Church on Sunday like millions of other Christians. I'm not sure how much more Christian you can get than that, but some bitter folk still angry over his name and skin color still like trying to draw some connection in other white supremacist minds to some imagined extremist Islamic terrorist roots.
Yep, it's a dishonest tactic used by fundamentalist right-wingers to try to imply that Obama is Muslim.
That whole sentence makes no sense. If you are implying that Obama was a Muslim, that flies in the face of Marxism. Please pick one for your attack on him. I never liked the dude, but not because of the reasons you cite.
Howdy Texan! Nawww! I'm good!
We were not talking about your disappointments with Obama and this union (which are "legion"). We were trying to get clear of "the blackness" as being the singular reason Norwegians gave Obama a prize!
No comment. (CB spits!)
Yet almost every conservative blames Obama for living up to the agreement that Bush signed, including Trump.
False.
I don’t live within walls or a city.
Hussein Obama is his name and he is neither Muslim nor Christian.
I have Biblical authority given me as a minister of God to rebuke those who claim to be a follower of Christ yet rebel against him.
My Authority as a Believer and Minister of Christ
2 Timothy 4:1,2. “I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching”
“Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.” Titus 2:15
“Now whatever city or town you enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and stay there till you go out. And when you go into a household, greet it. If the household is worthy, let your peace come upon it. But if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city! Matthew 10:11-15
“Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh , and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”
Matthew 28:19-20 Messianic Bible translation
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