Michael Moore : Michelle Obama Would Crush Trump In The Election

  
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Michael Moore : Michelle Obama Would Crush Trump In The Election
"Frankly, I think there is a person that could do this. If the election were held today, there is one person that would crush Trump, and she hasn't announced yet," the filmmaker divined. "And her last name rhymes with Obama. In fact, it is Obama — Michelle Obama."

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Academy Award winner  Michael Moore, who correctly predicted that President Donald Trump would upset Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election , told NBC's Brian Williams on Thursday that the best candidate to unseat the commander-in-chief is former first lady Michelle Obama.


"We have to have a candidate who is beloved by the American people and who is outside the political inner circle. Somebody who's not a politician. Somebody who's going to win," Moore told Williams. "I think, in my humble opinion, four of these candidates running could beat Trump: Bernie (Sanders), (Joe) Biden, Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. They could beat him."


"But Hillary beat him. It's not enough just to beat Trump," Moore continued. "The only way to remove Trump is to crush Trump."


"Frankly, I think there is a person that could do this. If the election were held today, there is one person that would crush Trump, and she hasn't announced yet," the filmmaker divined. "And her last name rhymes with Obama. In fact, it is Obama — Michelle Obama."


Moore then proceeded to argue that the former first lady's immense popularity would be an asset if she squared off against Trump in a general election.



"Everybody watching this right now knows she is a beloved American," Moore said. "And she will go in there, and she would beat him. She would beat him in the debates. He wouldn't be able to bully her. He wouldn't be able to nickname her."


"And she is beloved: Just go to C-Span and follow her book tour across the country," he added. "She is playing 15,000 seat arenas in the Midwest. They have to turn people away. She takes the stage, and she is so powerful and so good."


Moore famously predicted Trump's ability to win  four key states in the Rust Belt: Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin .


But the pugnacious pundit did not limit his recommendations to Obama's hypothetical candidacy on Thursday. Pointing to how voters turned out in record numbers to return control of the House of Representatives to the party, Moore also argued that Democrats need to impeach the president as part of their electoral stragegy.


"If they don't do anything — if they don't make it worth all the while of all those people who had sat it out in 2016 but came in 2018 to vote, they may not show up next year," he predicted. "So the Democrats have to do something. What they have to do is impeach this president."



Moore used a baseball analogy to criticize Democrats like Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi — who he didn't mention by name — that refuse to consider impeachment in part because it would likely stall in the Senate.


In order for a president to be removed from office, two-thirds of the Senate has to support doing so; Republicans are in a majority with 53 votes, which means that at least 20 would have to defect while all 47 Democratic votes, including some independent senators who caucus with the party, would have to hold fast.


"The Detroit Tigers don't get to say, 'We don't want to go to New York and play the Yankees. We're just gonna lose,'" Moore said. "No, you got to go to New York and play the Yankees."


In the aftermath of former special counsel Robert Mueller's testimony on Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election,  more than half of House Democrats have come out in favor of impeaching Trump, according to Politico .


Moore also suggested that Democrats put ballot initiatives up on issues such as legalizing marijuana and outlawing partisan gerrymandering, which he argued would inspire higher voter turnout among likely Democratic voters.

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JohnRussell
1  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

I would love to see Michelle Obama debate Trump. 

It would be like watching Laila Al i

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fight this guy

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WallyW
1.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

Far left opinion on a far left web site.....worthless

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @1    3 weeks ago

You know Michelle is full of it...

384

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.1  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @1.2    3 weeks ago

Sunshine, why do you have Michelle Obama as unable to pronounce the word "this" properly?  

She is a graduate of Princeton and Harvard. 

Wouldn't it be sort of racist to have a black person, a professional black person, using a form of language associated with the ghetto?   Ebonics? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
Sunshine, why do you have Michelle Obama as unable to pronounce the word "this" properly?  

John, obviously she didn't make the poster. Be very careful about tossing racism into this!

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.3  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.1    3 weeks ago
Ebonics?

John, why do you turn to race baiting when you have no intelligent response?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.4  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
John, obviously she didn't make the poster.  John, why do you turn to race baiting when you have no intelligent response?

Both of you have to be kidding. Seriously, you cannot be serious. 

Dis for this is ebonics. 

Sunshine, do you think Michelle Obama speaks in ebonics? 

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Vic Eldred
1.2.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

[Deleted.  There is no reason to announce that you have flagged a comment.]

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.6  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

[Deleted]  Intelligently lazy, just yell raceeest!

He knows Michelle is full of it.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.7  Sunshine  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.4    3 weeks ago
do you think Michelle Obama speaks in Ebonics? 

Are you implying that a black person is inferior because they speak African American English?  What is wrong with Ebonics John?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sunshine @1.2    3 weeks ago

That meme is created so Michelle didn't and would never use Dis.  Your boy however however does have a problem with pronunciation and spelling which is well documented.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.8    3 weeks ago

bigly

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sunshine @1.2.3    3 weeks ago

Rightttttttttt...like your comment (1.2) is.

 
 
 
Sunshine
1.2.11  Sunshine  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.2.10    3 weeks ago

Get over yourselves about the word Dis in a meme.  

No doubt Michelle thinks she deserves more than her peasants.

Remember ladies Michelle says you only like what you are told to like and don't listen to your own husbands but listen to her all knowing one.

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.2.12  MrFrost  replied to  Sunshine @1.2    one week ago

512

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    3 weeks ago

I would vote for the first transgender president.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    3 weeks ago

Where's your meme of Mrs. Obama with a penis?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @2.1    3 weeks ago

Please don't encourage him.jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    3 weeks ago

And that's not misogynistic and setting feminism back 100 years?

 
 
 
JBB
2.2.1  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2    3 weeks ago

Don't you get it? Strong smart liberal women are scary especially if they have brown skin but blond rightwing bimbos are sacrosanct, um, ladies...

Watch the Roger Ailes biopic Loudest Voice In The Room on Showtime to learn how respectfully those young blond beauty queens were treated behind-the-scenes at Fox News.... 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @2.2.1    3 weeks ago

Mrs. Obama is not only the things that you mentioned but she is also compassionate and beautiful both inside and out.

 
 
 
JBB
2.2.3  JBB  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

Barack and Michelle are still The Most Admired Couple In The World.

Bill and Hillary Clinton come in a close second but you will never ever see that being said about Donald Trump and his Slovenian concubine...

 
 
 
MUVA
2.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

She maybe a good person but beautiful NO!It is like the rest of don’t have eyes.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @2.2.4    3 weeks ago

That's your opinion.

I don't think Mrs. trmp is particularly beautiful. Her eyes are too small and mean. She constantly looks like she's looking for her glasses

 
 
 
katrix
2.2.6  katrix  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.5    3 weeks ago

I think she looks constipated.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2    3 weeks ago
And that's not misogynistic and setting feminism back 100 years?

It is and it's transphobic....I'm ashamed however I have never declared my feminism on this site like some who now can be seen making crude misogynistic references about a fox news host.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.7    3 weeks ago

Some of can come clean about our hypocrisy.....some of us can't

And don't give me that "I'm ashamed" bullshit

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.9  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.8    3 weeks ago
And don't give me that "I'm ashamed" bullshit

Dammit....ok sorry.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.3  MUVA  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    3 weeks ago

Have ever notice you never see Michelle Obama and Patric Ewing in same place at the same time interesting.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @2.3    3 weeks ago

don't ever come back to somebody else and tell them they're being misogynistic

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

That seems to be your job.

Is anybody here willing to guess if Michelle Obama will get into the race?  I don't think she has totally ruled it out?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

Removed.

Trout and Vic:

I have deleted the remainder of this thread, which was a series of insults and threats that by rights should have landed you both in the naughty chair.  Play nice, folks.

Sandy

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.3.20  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

Some here obviously don't own mirrors.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.3.21  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @2.3    3 weeks ago

Gee, there are millions of people in this country who have not been in the same place as Michelle Obama at the same time either.  jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3  Ed-NavDoc    3 weeks ago

The left continuously makes the mistake of thinking that because most of them adore Michelle Obama, that the rest of the population in this country does. I personally cannot see that she did anything in 8 years as First Lady that would make her remotely a good candidate for president. I will save someone the trouble of responding with, " But Trump is/was not qualified either!"... Michael Moore is a total dweeb anyway, so who cares what he thinks.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1  katrix  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    3 weeks ago
I will save someone the trouble of responding with, " But Trump is/was not qualified either!"...

But it's a valid point. Trump was totally unqualified and can't even manage to act dignified - so why would Michelle Obama's lack of qualifications matter? Apparently voters no longer care about someone being qualified, although lots of them (even those who think Trump is doing a good job) are uncomfortable with the insults and lack of dignity.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.1  WallyW  replied to  katrix @3.1    3 weeks ago

Obama was totally unqualified. So is his mrs.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @3.1.1    3 weeks ago
Obama was totally unqualified. So is his mrs.

How was trump qualified but Obama wasn't? Do tell. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
3.1.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.2    3 weeks ago

He once held a job in the free market that lasted longer than Obama's tenure at the ice cream shop that lasted two weeks.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @3.1.3    3 weeks ago

He also lost a billion dollars in one year, way to go trump. 

512

 
 
 
Karri
3.1.5  Karri  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    3 weeks ago

Good list.  However, I do have one request -- please do not place Trump in a LCDR uniform.  He is not worthy of it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Karri @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

Amen to that! 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  WallyW @3.1.1    3 weeks ago

Trump is so bad, he can't even qualify for unqualified.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.8  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Karri @3.1.5    3 weeks ago

As retired military, I totally agree.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    3 weeks ago
Michael Moore is a total dweeb anyway

Damn, that's being very polite and politically correct.   Not enough coffee yet?  jrSmiley_48_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  XDm9mm @3.2    3 weeks ago

Nah, only one cup so far. Old sailors like me need at least 3 to get semi functional...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

No, Ed, that sounds like you've had your coffee. You're not an asshole

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.2    3 weeks ago

Why, did someone say I was? Would not be the first time I was accused of it...jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.2.3    3 weeks ago

giggle

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.2.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.2.1    3 weeks ago

And four more to be able to unwind enough to get some sack time......

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3    3 weeks ago
I personally cannot see that she did anything in 8 years as First Lady that would make her remotely a good candidate for president.
I will save someone the trouble of responding with, " But Trump is/was not qualified either!".

Really? How are you going to do that? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3    3 weeks ago

My comment speaks for itself John.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.1    3 weeks ago
My comment speaks for itself John.

Some things just go right over the heads of some people.  Actually, let me rephrase that.  MOST things just go right over the heads of some people.  (Not naming or indicating anyone in particular of course.  It's just a general comment.)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.1    3 weeks ago

When Trump ran for president he was a television game show host who was most well known in the political sense for having led a racist conspiracy theory against the sitting president of the United States. 

What exactly were his qualifications that you imagined? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    3 weeks ago
who was most well known in the political sense for having led a racist conspiracy theory against the sitting president of the United States. 

Tell us how that was racist?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    3 weeks ago

Please state where above I in fact said he did or did not have the qualifications. Please be specific. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
3.3.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @3.3.5    3 weeks ago

Yep, that's what I thought. Make accusatory statement that can't be backed up then run and remain silent when asked to verify.jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  seeder  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

Michelle Obama has great intelligence, actual charisma, empathy, great communication skills , and basic honesty. She is over qualified. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago

Look how far the current occupant of the now White Trash House has lowered the bar.  

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago

She's fugly!

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @4.2    3 weeks ago

How mature!

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @4.2    3 weeks ago
She's fugly!

You vote based on looks and went with trump? Really? 

Asking for a nation. 

 
 
 
katrix
4.2.3  katrix  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.2    3 weeks ago

You know the type of man who's threatened by intelligent women - especially if they are fit and could probably beat the man in a fight - we seem to have a few of those in here.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @4.2.3    3 weeks ago

My thoughts exactly.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  WallyW @4.2    3 weeks ago
She's fugly!

We get it, many white males are threatened by her strength, poise, intelligence and grace and know she could kick their asses thus they bitterly attack her any way they can. What sad little bigots they must be.

 
 
 
katrix
4.2.6  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.5    3 weeks ago

I've never understood why so many conservatives despise Michelle Obama. It's not like she ever did anything that should have pissed them off. It's not surprising that so many people assume it's due to racism, since there's no valid reason for it. She promoted good nutrition, she had class ... what is so hateful about that?

Many liberals think Laura Bush had a lot of grace and did a lot of good with her encouragement of literacy. Again - regardless of what you think of her husband's presidency, what did she ever personally do to piss people off?  She had a very high approval rating across the board.

I understand people having a problem with Melania Trump - she was here on an illegal visa before she sold herself to Trump and illegal immigrants suck, she used a loophole to get her immigrant parents citizenship (which Trump is rightly cutting off because people like that suck and should go back where they came from), and she has done nothing to promote things like literacy or good nutrition which are so necessary to reducing poverty and ill health. She pays lip service to anti-bullying while standing behind one of the biggest bullies there is - someone whose Twitter account would have been deleted were he not President. But Michelle, or Laura? I don't get it.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  katrix @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

I can't think of any First Lady that has come before that hasn't exhibited grace and class. I admired Barbara Bush because she was big on the literacy thing, too. While I didn't care for Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign, she was classy and she loved her husband. You could tell that about her.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  katrix @4.2.6    3 weeks ago
She promoted good nutrition, she had class ... what is so hateful about that?

Well, when the top 10 fattest States are Republican strongholds where most of them are over 30% obesity and they are also ex-confederate States, and Michelle Obama showed class they could never even dream, I'm not all that surprised at many of their reactions. Many in my family, virtually all religious conservatives from Ohio and Arkansas, constantly complained about both Michelle and Barack from day one. Most were reticent in admitting why, but you get a few Pabst's in them and they'll tell you all about how they hate the "uppity" black couple with law degrees and what they saw as haughty dismissal of what they perceived as "white culture". So in their minds they weren't being racist, Obama and Michelle were the racists for making white Americans and their "white culture" feel so inadequate.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.9  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  katrix @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

I in no way despise Michelle Obama. She is obviously a very intelligent and accomplished woman. She must be, as they do not award Doctorates Of Law to everybody and that is to be admired. That being said, that does not necessarily mean she would be good presidential material. I have known a lot of highly intelligent people over the years, but that does not mean I would want them as Commander in Chief. To me it has nothing to do with ethnicity or gender. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.9    3 weeks ago
I have known a lot of highly intelligent people over the years, but that does not mean I would want them as Commander in Chief.

Considering the current occupant, it's obvious that being highly intelligent isn't a requirement for many voters.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.2.11  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.9    3 weeks ago
I have known a lot of highly intelligent people over the years, but that does not mean I would want them as Commander in Chief.

True. Carter comes to mind. Really smart guy, but way too nice to be POTUS. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

Truly.  The current 'president' must have a double digit IQ.  No offense to the truly mentally disadvantaged but I believe he is among the barely educatable mentally retarded 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.13  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.12    3 weeks ago
The current 'president' must have a double digit IQ.

And yet he has managed to maneuver all of those who would pick a fight with him into a position of having to cover their own asses...

What a lot of you don not realize is that a lot of what he does is an act designed to get you to believe exactly what you have stated above--that he is stupid!  Far from it. He has outsmarted everyone by playing games--and some pretty heavy mind games at that!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.14  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @4.2.11    3 weeks ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.13    3 weeks ago

Your usual nonsense.  No one has picked a fight with this cowardly bully.  He cannot take criticism of any kind and he lashes out with his usual tirades and rants.

He's a goddamned moron.  He's a dumb ass shithead.  He cannot outsmart anyone except his supporters 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.13    3 weeks ago
a lot of what he does is an act

That's exactly what a low IQ moron would say every time they're caught with their pants down. "Hah, I meant to do that! Made you look! I did that on purpose... I was just acting and you're the fool for not realizing it...".

Frankly, having the one Stooge who was obviously rejected by Larry, Curly, Moe and Shemp, for being too fat and stupid, "act" like a stooge while playing at being President is just sad.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.17  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.13    3 weeks ago
What a lot of you don not realize is that a lot of what he does is an act designed to get you to believe exactly what you have stated above--that he is stupid!  Far from it. He has outsmarted everyone by playing games--and some pretty heavy mind games at that!

and how many around here think genius boy thought it so thoroughly thorough n through, that he could LIE over 10,000 times in two years, and the blind faith full

of it, would still be on here defending this POS  ?

There in LIES the damn problem.

It is not the ridiculous fact that Fox Putin office by the Fox, when he's actually a little Red/orange Rooster/Cock

who belongs in The Big House, not the White One, is still currently not being removed post haste,

it's the fckd up fact that Republicans have circled their wagons around Trumpp, his playmates, his pornstars, his Criminal Administration, Criminal Lawyers, and Criminal Family like a Conestoga Stogie band wagon of wheely ignorant puffers, smoking discarded slick Willy Cubans, and still wondering Y they have such aBAD TASTE in their mouths...

.

"heavy mind games" huh, 

well maybe, for some extremely intellectually challenged perhaps, 

but the rest of US and the rest of the world, see how STUPID, HE and his supporters is, is it any surprise how stupid DOES,

cause it sure as hell shouldn't be !

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.18  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.17    3 weeks ago
well maybe, for some extremely intellectually challenged perhaps,

Again, therein lies part of the problem. He is doing exactly the same thing you are doing with every one of your posts that deflect, meander, and twist around the salient points for your amusement because you believe it to be cute, or funny, or s requirement of your online persona that you've created. His actions are doing the exact same thing using his tweets and his "misspeaks" to gin up fervor over something trifling so that his "enemies" will attack him and in so doing he exposes THEIR weak points simply by letting his defenders dredge up all of the dirt on them to attempt to prove him right. Many of the things being said about all of his opponents would be dismissed out of hand if he pointed them out himself by those like you that have an innate hatred for him, but when you see it from other sources, you at least take the time to look into the matter.

You forget that he has changed party affiliation 5 different times. He plays both sides against the middle, supporting whichever party--or none--that he sees will do him the most good. He has been doing the same thing since he got in office by attacking the Republicans for not getting behind him at the outset, and ever since then whenever anyone of any party tries to undermine his plans using the tactics we all know so well; Twitter storms and "misspeaks" to bloody the water so that these "extremely intellectually challenged" sharks will tear them to shreds. You have but simply to watch the Youtube videos put together by his followers defending him to see that. Pelosi, AOC, The Squad, Moeller, et al have been ripped to shreds so badly that their reputations will never heal. Two of the squad are already predicted to be one and-done-term politicians. They won't even be able to get elected as dog catchers following this. And Pelosi? It is highly doubtful that she will continue to be the Leader after this round...not after the exposure of her apparent dementia onset. Their challengers will be using the same videos Trumps defenders published  to boost their own campaigns against them, and it will be seen and accepted by many Democrats that right now dismiss them out of hand simply because it will now be coming from a fellow Democrat!

Now do you begin to understand his mind game? Trust me, that is just the beginning of it. It goes much deeper than that. Whether this is a well thought out plan, or just a quirk of his personality is debatable. I happen to believe it to be a little of both. I think, like all monied people, he is a manipulator extraordinaire'. So much so that he caters to both the high-brow, and the low-brow intellects...and everything in between. You may not like it, but his plans seem to be working so well, you can't even get a decent challenger to run against him for 2020 for fear of what he and his supporters will do to their lives during the campaign trail. Just look at what he did to sHillary. Her reputation is so bad now that even SHE won't run against him again. That is pretty scary when you consider that she won the popular vote...

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.19  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.15    3 weeks ago
He cannot outsmart anyone except his supporters 

So you voted for him? If not, then I would say he definitely outsmarted you because he is YOUR President...

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.20  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.16    3 weeks ago
"act" like a stooge while playing at being President is just sad

And yet here he is, standing with your goat in hand...

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.21  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.18    3 weeks ago
Now do you begin to understand his mind game? Trust me, that is just the beginning of it. It goes much deeper than that. Whether this is a well thought out plan, or just a quirk of his personality is debatable. I happen to believe it to be a little of bot

Miniscule and don't mind it mental midget who has to fidget has only played the ones not bright enough to ever explore more than one or two of the same damn hard right bullshit news sources.

He is a total asswhole enchilata, not wiped, a declined creditncard not swiped, and a rotting Orange, not ryped, but as a consolation, he has been charged with numerous attacks on women and children, including RAPE

he's a Porn star doodling Playmate fondling "pussy Grabber" extraordinaire, and how bout that hair...?

Just because he allows others, to have others, to place their blame upon, so as it's not 'their ' fault , is not exactly a special talent, i'ts more of a sign of mental instability and or illness.

Jim Jones got plenty when he was a pitcher, does that make him the 'MAN' in your eyes, cause he is NOT a real man.

.

N yea, he plays all sides, as anyone wwho ever might look. could C 

Trump is a criminal pathological 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.20    3 weeks ago
And yet here he is, standing with your goat in hand...

That might be a goat he's fucking, but it's not mine...

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.23  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.21    3 weeks ago

Wander your words round about but getting nowhere anytime soon for he who is so blind as to not see when he can see is the blindest of the blind. Gather your wits and let them scatter not for at hand is the Man with whom your ire will not stand and yet there He stands as the Man of the Land. Belying your name, it is not the Ignorant that rule but the Manipulators and Liars upon whom you have chosen to believe or disbelieve; but it matters not for They care not about your angst or whims, but only about what You can do for Them. You do nothing for Them so gnash your teeth while casting spittle into the wind so that it smears the very face that cast it forth on heated breath,  for that is the only solace you will find for all of your wailing and chest pounding here on TNT.  Your words have even less meaning when you seek to astound with dazzles of brilliance and pearls of wisdom that fall on the uncomprehending lost in darkness like the stones they might as well be when you speak in riddles so pompous that no one bothers to read.

Give forth less effort for it is better to appear simple and plainly spoken than flowery and poetic but ignored for the tendency to pontificate solely for the narcissistic pleasure of hearing one's own voice in the wilderness.

 Nay, when you choose to cast aspersions upon those you deign to be of lower class and unworthy of consideration of their thoughts by way of supercilious speech, you fail to impress anyone with your babble, but do further strengthen their resolve to ignore the grandiosity of the imperious. overbearing, vain persona that would belittle their opinions on such weighty matters.

Just sayin'....

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.24  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.22    3 weeks ago
but it's not mine...

How can you be sure? Did you brand your goat before he got it?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.25  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.22    3 weeks ago

Is it a Russian goat?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.10    3 weeks ago

Personally, I consider Mrs Trump to be much more intelligent than her husband.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
4.2.27  Raven Wing  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.26    3 weeks ago
Personally, I consider Mrs Trump to be much more intelligent than her husband.

I agree. But, that does not say much for either one of them.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.23    3 weeks ago

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Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.29  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.28    2 weeks ago

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igknorantzrulz
4.2.30  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.29    2 weeks ago

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Tessylo
4.2.31  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.30    2 weeks ago

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igknorantzrulz
4.2.32  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.31    2 weeks ago

that citizen, appears to be awfully full of himself, 

and awfully full of other.

i'll play with ANYONE, but i don't wish to park on handicapped bottled up 

the creek in a note all wet of bottled water, he couldn't carry,

played by others, out of tune, cause his caliber, is misscaliberated , 

as his examples,  exampled, and exemplify.

 
 
 
WallyW
4.2.33  WallyW  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.32    2 weeks ago

Your comments is illogical

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.34  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @4.2.33    2 weeks ago

No Wally,

my comments ARE illogical

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.35  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.32    2 weeks ago

Trump supporters are a protected class. During this thesaurus explosion we are seeing here we can pick through and find the core problem. Trumpsters admire Trump. This IS a sickness. There are very few less admirable people in public life, if any.  But according to the Trumpster, buffoonery on an epic scale is a plan and the means by which HE WINS. This is the logic of people who think reality tv shows are award winning documentaries. Unfortunately such people are allowed to vote. 

Trump has won , because (SOME) fools support him. That is the total extent of his winning. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.36  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.35    2 weeks ago

"protected class" has been protected from reality

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.37  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.36    2 weeks ago

History is not going to be kind to this era. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.38  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.37    2 weeks ago

nor should it.

embarrassing.

a strange new ability(for me to experience) to deny, deflect, and/or distort the truth of any sort is a scary occurrence, as history has shown us.

History MUST depict the ignorance accurate ly, so as it is not repeated, but, it's obvious many in power want and need the people too stupid to comprehend how they're being manipulated. 

Wake up people !

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.39  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.38    2 weeks ago

Trump's election in 2016 depended on a willful suspension of disbelief by a mass of voters. I dont think that ever happened in a national election in America's history prior to that election. 

The moderators on this site have pretty regularly censored me for saying unflattering things about Trump supporters (some).  But I havent done that for no or for an insufficient reason. Quite to the contrary. Without supporters who were willing to suspend their disbelief for his benefit, a disgraceful buffoon like Trump wouldnt have gotten past the first Republican debate in 2015. ALL of it is on his supporters. 

Trump's one chance of being re-elected is if he is normalized. This normalization has teetered and tottered over the past four years. So far, I think, when he gets real close to it he does something really stupid or offensive and his 'normality' goes up in flames.  But his true blue followers are always there to try again to make all this seem normal.  That is their legacy from this era, and it is not a pretty one. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.40  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.39    2 weeks ago

it's a pathetic one.

his diehards, do not make much sense to me.

face the fact you fckd up, made a mistake, and move on

NO

Defend  defend  defend  ???     Y ?

n how ?

it's not even taken serious by my, thus that normalization you mentioned

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.41  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.40    2 weeks ago

Their legacy is that they make endless excuses for the inexcusable. As we are saying, history will not be kind. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.42  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.39    2 weeks ago

Voting for Trump in 2020 merely requires believing in our Constitutional Republic and individualism.  The Democrat candidates fall into two main camps.  Communists or Marxist Fascists 

even Biden is no moderate. I put him with Warren in the Marxist Fascist Wing. 

I stand by my prognosis that Warren or Harris would be the likely nominee.  Harris though is showing she isn’t ready for prime time

An analysis of Warren’s policy proposals shows a high level of similarity to those of Mussolini

ultimately enough Americans will reject these extremists and give Trump a landslide victory

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.43  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.42    2 weeks ago

This is one of your more entertaining rants.   Thanks for the laughs. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.2.44  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.43    2 weeks ago

Facts are difficult for leftists, often beyond their cognitive abilities

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.45  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.32    one week ago

And yet here you are, dancing to the tune I play, in a pathetic display of no rhythm in life. Spin and shout, let it all out, jump baby jump. Jump-Jump-Jump cause the rhythm is gonna getcha... Go ahead and slide to the Left a little more and come full circle to the Right. It's where you're at now but you just can't see it. Fascist demands of silencing the Opposition and taking away the Rights of the Right have made you a Far-Right extremist too blinded by ideology to see how you journeyed there. Does it matter if your demands are linked to Immigration Reform or to a Master Race??? No, not when you seek to deny the Rights of others to get your way.

Dance baby...dance, dance, dance....

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.46  Tessylo  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.45    one week ago

WTF is that rant all about?  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.47  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.2.42    one week ago

Communists, marxists, fascists, blah, blah, blah, and you threw in Mussolini for good measure.  

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igknorantzrulz
4.2.48  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.45    one week ago

i'm N E wear, eye see myself wanting 2 B

n urine a dirty place, asz that is wear i placed U, miss

placed was my 'daddy', sew  F U R still wanton n needith of a crunchy noodle dipped in sauce you milked from utters, pegged prosthetically prematurely from an old prostate gland so 

right in your hands up

alley

weigh too many times turned

awn off X,

maybe you really R my 'daddy',  so smack my 

ass n ride him till the whores  shews u a way , cause you choose

a cud like know other bud, broken and rolled, width a double wide you open from inside, 

a wasted abandoned mine, filled with White trash not bleached,

cause your canary has found your calling, n you r falling   fell  low

.

Michelle would make a great present for U n you're kind

words written tobe Moored than ewe ever a piered through out baby

a long the heights of the multiple areas the bath salts waters were throne, like poor celone,

cause, a tempted plot, to coarse 4 1 so fine, iz one who can't find the stripped mind

whence he's constantly coming

from behind, in a mother, of a time, no ? daddy ?

i'll adopt U, 

N own N E N all, unless i like U, N your mind so small   shouldn't, shouldn't mind at-all!

.

Michael Moore than you could conceptualize , should open your clenched 

eyes two fists for your pleasure, that i'll push forth, because of the three in front.

.

so how r u my knew daddy, cause my mommy died at birth, but i never bitched about basturds, cause some just cant hold their worth, less

they are heated out of their element ary school room, due to recesses in a caved inn, stripped mine,

wear your daddy closed, n u'll be just fine

Naked and Afraid, like the loose 

change, changed gender after another all knight bender left you shining in the dark,

the shoes that sneaker over that witch you could never spell, 

cause i pave the woven way.

Straits to Hell n high water, like a miss gendereddaughter led to broken lead filledwater

Drink Up, ittle put #2 lead, in a yellow bellied pencil.

Dick is short for Rich, yet long for those who like   get sum.

To be my bitch

just scratch this itch

and i'll shake a flea bitten leg

of a lamb lead to slaughter, 

might yu please carry my water...

n

don't forget the mint jelly as well,

oh

ain't this swell

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.49  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  igknorantzrulz @4.2.48    one week ago

Mind so warped, it makes no sense sitting on the fence. Can't  be helped by drugs or couches, living so deep in dark pouches. Give it time to heal the mind for Never is so far away. Twisted paths that never last will somehow rue the day. Stepping forth in golden light will banish screams from darkness. Time will heal the feverish mind before it slips away. Gone will be the tortured cries given forth by the ill. May it come from wakening, and not the everlasting chill.

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.50  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  Tessylo @4.2.46    one week ago

If you have to ask, you will never know.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.2.51  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.49    one week ago

Nice word salad. You have demonstrated that you have at least a tenth grade vocabulary. 

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
4.2.52  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.51    5 days ago

Don't be jealous of my education. I  can dumb it down if needed.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.53  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.52    2 days ago

Don't be jealous of my education. I  can dumb it down if needed.

How will you then,

comprehend it ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.2.54  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Citizen Kane-473667 @4.2.49    2 days ago

Hey Citizen

WATCH

Trump isn't subject to rules of the House. He is the President. As far he goes, you have 5 major news outlets calling him a "racist" 24-7 for three years. What more do you want?

What more do you want........................................................................................................................................................................................?

Well for starters, how about Trump stop being a racist.

And while he's at it, how about condemning racists, and the idealology he has surplanted into weak minds ?

How about non incentivising the White uprising by peoples who want an actual NOUN, to excuse why their lives aren't as swell as just a generation prior, due to Trump being Richard, some Dick, just Pryor to freeing his Base, who R worthy of like Richard Pryor,  self combustion. One who has found a way to sway persons, whom obviously lack critical thinking  skills, do not realize who the damn backers of this POS are, and have been taken for a long damn ride around the truth, SHOULD NOT get any damn PASS

How can people bypass the reality directly in front of them...

How can so many willingly look away as he violates about every, any,  and all the DAMN PRINCIPLES the United States of America was founded upon ?

WTF people ???   I see so many on the 'Right' try and normalize one who CAN"T be Normalized,   EVER !

.

What was it 27 FCKN people arrested in the past week or so, all with mass shooting aspirations ?

How this CANNOT BE DIRECTLY CORRELATED back to and with Trump, and his racist Rhetoric, is cult like in the defensive devotion, to a piece of White Trash, and should be found Disturbing, as it SHOULD BE,

FOUND DISTURBING !

WTF America, look at his agenda, 

Divide America

Patronize and praise Dictators 

Bash our NATO Allies with almost all lies

Circumvent our  balance of Powers Protections

LIE constantly about Elections

Along with  MOST N E & Everything ELSE 

ETC> < ETC> <

So far, HE has proven to be the only election fraud.

The 'right' have wronged US ALL, for immediate gains, unbelievably modest and small, in the larger picture of this country,for it should, all, appall.

Trump has taken this BULLSHIT BEHAVIOR FAR FURTHER THAN ANYONE CAN EVER BE ALLOWED 

.

The 'man' is not properly fine tuned in the mind.

The President of this Country, is the one Peoples look for , so as to bring US together, and he does the opposite, and the GOP is a sack of gutless Pussies for not calling out this VIOLATION,

of a DAMN NATION 

.

THE MUELLER REPORT FOUND NOTHING  ?????

I see recited daily by members that post here...

Who, that has read this report, could possibly claim NOTHING was found ?   Cause that is an outright FALSEHOOD.

Or in Trump's case , just another one to add to his 12,000 LIES and increasing daily.

.

You're more worried about winning a self imposed suspension from this FCKN site, than the LIVES and wellbeing of our DAMN COUNTRY.

I would gladly permanently suspend myself, than have Trump further tear this country the frick apart !

LOOK AT WTF YOU ARE EVEN COMPARING...?

I would wish for the TRUTH to be PRESENTED TRUTHFULLY,

cause it is complete fantasy Trump is innocent.
.

He only still exists due to people too proud to swallow their DAMN PRIDE

Again   WTF

hey UNABLE, F U Want to STALK ME, WE DO IT PUBLICALLY

.

Let ME KNOW, how that works out for U

How Da FCK did i get stuck with some Corny Stalker...?

U r trying WAY TOO HARD

.

This IS what i do, without much effort, and immediately if properly motivated.

I'm sure you are a swell Citizen,

so,

if u might, please tell me where i interpreted Reality inaccurately, as i actually look forward to this response

Don't Waste MY FCKN TIME PLEASE

,

Prove to me Y i should EVER consider Your OPINION on absolutely N E thing.

Here is your chance, knock it out of the park   

 
 
 
Kathleen
6  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

Like I said in the past, I am not going to put down any of the first ladies. They are beautiful in their own way.  I do think that they both would have two different debating styles. It really depends what the voters think.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

Just throwing this out for the fun of it.  Do you think that if the Democrats win this time around that they'll rename the White House to be "The People's House"?  They might think the present name is racist, and will offend people of colour, but it does sound a bit like China's "Hall of the People".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    3 weeks ago

It has always been known as The People's House.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @7.1    3 weeks ago

Thanks for that info, Paula.  Obviously I never knew that.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

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igknorantzrulz
8  igknorantzrulz    3 weeks ago

How about Blackhaus,

cause thenTrumpp stain ain't ever going to be washed off of our country, 

plus we could do shotz

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9  livefreeordie    3 weeks ago

It’s meaningless. She’s said she absolutely won’t run.  That said, given the ideological trajectory of the Dems, this is shaping up to be a repeat of Nixon v McGovern landslide victory for President Trump

the Dems have two wings, Marxist Fascists and Communists.  Neither is palatable to anyone but the left

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.1  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @9    3 weeks ago
the Dems have two wings, Marxist Fascists and Communists.  

Fascism   ( / ˈ f æ ʃ ɪ z əm / ) is a form of radical   right-wing ,   authoritarian   ultranationalism [1] [2]   characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy [3]   which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. [4]   The first fascist movements   emerged in Italy   during   World War I , before   spreading to other European countries . [4]   Opposed to   liberalism ,   Marxism , and   anarchism , fascism is placed on the   far-right   within the traditional   left–right spectrum . [4] [5]

Fascists saw   World War I   as a   revolution   that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of   total war   and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war. [6] [7]   The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens. [6] [7]

Fascists believe that   liberal democracy   is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a   totalitarian   one-party state   as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. [8]   Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a   dictator   and a   martial   government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. [8] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and   imperialism   as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. [9] [10]   Fascists advocate a   mixed economy , with the principal goal of achieving   autarky   (national economic self-sufficiency) through   protectionist   and   interventionist   economic policies. [11]

Since the end of   World War II   in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used   pejoratively   by political opponents. The descriptions   neo-fascist   or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements. [4] [12]

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
9.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  MrFrost @9.1    3 weeks ago

The following is another description of Fascism by noted military historian, the late Bruce Quarrie, in his book "HITLER'S SAMURAI: The Waffen-SS in action.

'Fascism' is often confused with Nazism in popular usage, but was an entirely separate Italian movement; ironically, although it, too, was anti-communist in motivation, one of fascism's prime tenets was seizure of factory control by and for the workers. After the First World War it's aims became more nationalist in scope, demanding greater respect for Italy in the League of Nations and a stronger form of centralized government. eessentially, 'fascism' is much the same as syndicalism and, although the ambitions of the Italian Fascist Party headed by Benito Mussolini, and the German Nationalsozialistische Deutshe Arbieter Partei (NSDAP), grew incresingly closer together during the 1930's, people today, who use the terms 'Nazi' and 'fascist' as derogatory synonyms, neither help their own cause nor aid in historical understanding.'

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

True Ed. But in the traditional sense, fascism is was and always has been a right wing political ideology. Larry always strings together as much negativity as possible, I am just pointing out that with regards to fascism, he is way off base.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.2    2 weeks ago

Ridiculous 

name a right wing ideology that seeks to control and manipulate capitalism 

name a right wing ideology that embraces a social welfare state

Fascism and Socialism Twin Sisters, but not identical twins

“Fascism and (Marxist) socialism are sisters. Close sisters. Both are fundamentally about controlling the economy in a quest for a greater “good.” They have important differences which are more than stylistic differences. But both are fundamentally opposed to free markets, free prices, and fundamentally the free will of individuals. At least most individuals.

What is “socialism” and what is “fascism” is a point of ongoing debate on this site. Invariably someone posts a meme which purports to define fascism as what we see it in the movies. See, FDR and Obama can’t have fascist tendencies. (In FDR’s case it was probably more than just a tendency.) They don’t (didn’t) wear jack boots and goose step around the White House. Fascists have a look. They are “right-wing.” (Right and Left as we know them in this country really are vestiges of another time and are less and less useful.)

But fascism is not about a look. It is about state control of a nominally private economy.  

From The Library of Economics and Liberty)

In The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics, Sheldon Richman succinctly states: “As an economic system, fascism is socialism with a capitalist veneer.”7 He contends that socialism seeks to abolish capitalism outright, while fascism gives the appearance of a market-based economy, even though it relies heavily on the central planning of all economic activities. According to authors Roland Sarti and Rosario Romeo, “[U]nder Fascism the state had more latitude for control of the economy than any other nation at the time except for the Soviet Union.”8

Interestingly, Mussolini found much of John Maynard Keynes’seconomic theories consistent with fascism, writing: “Fascism entirely agrees with Mr. Maynard Keynes, despite the latter’s prominent position as a Liberal. In fact, Mr. Keynes’ excellent little book, The End of Laissez-Faire (l926) might, so far as it goes, serve as a useful introduction to fascist economics. There is scarcely anything to object to in it and there is much to applaud.”9

…As the effects of the Great Depression lingered, Italy’s government promoted mergers and acquisitions, bailed out failing businesses and “seized the stock holdings of banks, which held large equity interests.”12 The Italian state took over bankrupt corporations, cartelized business, increased government spending, expanded the money supply, and boosted deficits.13 The Italian government promoted heavy industry by “nationalizing it instead of letting the companies go bankrupt.”14

On numerous occasions, Benito Mussolini identified his economic policies with “state capitalism”—the exact phrase that Vladimir Lenin used to usher in his New Economic Policy (NEP). Lenin wrote: “State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic.”2 After Russia’s economy collapsed in 1921, Lenin allowed privatization and private initiative, and he let the people trade, buy and sell for private profit.3 Lenin was moving towards a mixed economy. He even demanded that state-owned companies operate on profit/loss principles.4 Lenin acknowledged that he had to back away from total socialism and allow some capitalism.

In essence, Mussolini’s fascism was simply an imitation of Lenin’s “third way,” which combined market-based mechanisms and socialism—similar to Red China’s “market socialism.” In short, Lenin’s revised Marxism culminated in “socialist-lite” policies that helped inspire Mussolini to craft his own Italian-style fascism with a right-wing socialist twist. Thus, one could argue that Lenin’s politics were the first modern-day version of fascism and state-corporatism.”

https://www.ac2news.com/2015/07/are-fascists-socialists-are-socialists-fascists/

http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2015/Samuelsfascism.html#

 
 
 
livefreeordie
9.1.4  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @9.1    2 weeks ago

“Hey, FDR Was a Fascist Too!

But let’s not omit the other half of the story: Roosevelt also embraced economic fascism, especially in his efforts to get America out of the Great Depression.

The best example was FDR’s National Industrial Recovery Act, a fascist program that would have fit perfectly in Mussolini’s fascist Italy. Under the NIRA, federal officials organized private American businesses, industries, and corporations into giant cartels that established “codes of fair competition,” which set prices, wages, and production in their particular sectors, all enforced by federal force. More than 500 codes of “fair practice” were developed.

Not surprisingly, FDR put a military man, retired Hugh Johnson, to run this fascist program. Johnson had graduated from West Point, made the military his career, and ultimately reached the rank of General. According to Wikipedia,

One author claims Johnson looked on Italian Fascist corporatism as a kind of model. He distributed copies of a fascist tract called “The Corporate State” by one of Mussolini’s favorite economists, including giving one to Labor Secretary Frances Perkins and asking her to give copies to her Cabinet.

In 1935, thanks to justices who were still fighting to retain America’s founding constitutional principles, the U.S. Supreme Court declared FDR’s NIRA unconstitutional. They rightfully pointed out that such a scheme had no place in America’s constitutional order.

Let’s not forget Hitler: He led Germany out of the Great Depression with a fascist program based on massive spending on public works, government-business partnerships, government management of the economy, and building up Germany’s military-industrial complex.

Sound familiar? It should because that was FDR’s economic program too.”

https://www.fff.org/2016/03/10/hey-fdr-was-a-fascist-too/

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @9.1.3    one week ago

Don't give a fuck Larry, I gave you the most widely accepted definition of fascism, and of course, it doesn't fit your agenda so you balk. Maybe it's time for you to live in the real world and realize that not everything, 'right wing', is good and spinning yourself into knots trying to defend it is really silly and pointless. 

Real world Larry, the right wing is no better than, (in your view), the left wing. Both sides have good, both sides have bad. All you are doing is trying to pin anything bad on the left, and anything good on the right and it doesn't work that way. Try using facts instead of agenda driven bullshit. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @9    2 weeks ago

Marxist fascist communist blah fucking blah

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10  Buzz of the Orient    3 weeks ago

Okay, John, you seem to think up and announce who I would support as POTUS.  I don't know if this will surprise you, and I don't give a damn if you criticize me for it, the person I believe should be the POTUS, and I hope she throws her hat in the ring, is NIKKI HALEY .  She has had lots of positive government and even International experience, is a really strong woman, is no toady of Trump and has even at times criticized him, and it's damn well time that the POTUS glass ceiling be pierced.  As far as I'm concerned she's a FAR better choice than anyone I see vying for the position today.

I felt this way EVEN BEFORE I read this article:

 
 
 
MrFrost
10.1  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    3 weeks ago
is NIKKI HALEY.

I like her, I could vote for her over Bernie. 

 
 
 
WallyW
10.2  WallyW  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    2 weeks ago

She's my choice also.

She could probably beat Trump in 2020.

However, I see her running after Trumps second term.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
10.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  WallyW @10.2    2 weeks ago

I first thought that she should run as VP with Trump in 2020 for the advantage of that experience and position, but then I thought Trump will need the Evangelical vote and Pence is key to that, so it's best she holds off until 2024.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
10.2.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.2.1    2 weeks ago

Nikki Haley/Candace Owens sounds like a great 2024 ticket

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
10.2.3  Citizen Kane-473667  replied to  livefreeordie @10.2.2    one week ago

Not sure a team of women could win at this point in time. Voters would be looking for a balance of the sexes to check impulses. Just my opinion of the current political climate. I personally could vote for a team of women to run things...depending on who they are of course.

 
 
 
MrFrost
10.2.4  MrFrost  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10.2.1    one week ago
Trump will need the Evangelical vote

True, but I did a little reading this morning and it looks like the, "religious right", support for trump is falling off. I didn't see much mentioned about the cause but my guess is maybe they are getting tired of his amoral behavior. I seriously don't know, just guessing. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
10.2.5  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @10.2.4    one week ago

That’s just wishful thinking by the leftist media.  Polls show differently.  

And anecdotally I communicate with thousands of Evangelicals and several Evangelical organizations daily, and uniformly the sentiment of support is stronger than ever. A lot is also driven by Evangelical fervent opposition to the ideology and anti-God values the Democrats embrace. Especially true on abortion, homosexual, and transgender positions taken by the Dems

 
 
 
katrix
10.2.6  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @10.2.5    one week ago

Yes, the Evangelicals have sold their souls and no longer give a crap about morality.

Jesus will not know them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @10.2.5    one week ago

To evangelicals, god is green and he folds.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @10.2.4    one week ago

The religious 'right' have no morals so I don't see the problem.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
10.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @10.2.2    one week ago

Candace Owens?

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It Is ME
11  It Is ME    one week ago

"We have to have a candidate who is beloved by the American people and who is outside the political inner circle."

Broccoli in EVERY School Lunch Room ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Kids hate her, and we all know how important the "Children" are these days. They are our Futures ! jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @11    one week ago

Yea, she tried to get kids to eat healthy, what a monster!!! [eye roll]

What's Malaria's cause? Anti bullying? Wonder if she has ever even met her husband. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    one week ago
Yea, she tried to get kids to eat healthy, what a monster!!!

The Kids hate her, and Kid Issues are the most important thing in the world. jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.2  katrix  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    one week ago

None of these haters can provide one single reason they despise Michelle Obama.

It's almost enough to think that it's due to racism, isn't it?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
11.1.3  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @11.1.2    one week ago

I don’t hate her. I hate the ideology of ALL Democrats.  I oppose ANY Democrat having power because of the ideology they embrace and seek to impose on America and Americans

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @11.1.3    one week ago
I hate the ideology of ALL Democrats.

Democrats are as diverse as their skin colors and faiths. We are not a monolith all believing in the same "ideology" as you seem to believe. Just like I'm sure you're aware that not all Republicans share the same white nationalist ideology that some of their member do.

Lumping everyone into one sack and refusing to get to know people on an individual basis is what has led to such huge divisions in America, and I simply can't imagine that the Jesus I read about in the gospels would have been supporting either side. If you truly claim to be a follower of Christ, why not act like it?

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.5  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.4    one week ago
If you truly claim to be a follower of Christ, why not act like it?

And give up the hatred that sustains them? You know it's not actually about Jesus - they think their god hates the same things they do, and that's why they worship it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.6  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  katrix @11.1.5    one week ago
they think their god hates the same things they do, and that's why they worship it.

Many cannot wait for their imagined "Kingdom", as it is in heaven, to be established here on earth with them in charge no doubt.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.1    one week ago

Those spoiled fucking brats threw away their lunches and complained that they were still hungry.

Why do 'the kids hate her'?

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.8  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.6    one week ago
Many cannot wait for their imagined "Kingdom", as it is in heaven, to be established here on earth with them in charge no doubt.

Lucky for them that they're scientifically ignorant. Otherwise they'd think long and hard about when our Sun will turn into a red dwarf before being so eager for "heaven on earth" to be established.  It would be rather short-lived from an eternal standpoint. And that's assuming God raises a shield to protect the Earth from asteroids before the sun dies.

It's also hilarious that they think they'll be corporeal after they die. Literalism truly murders brain cells - probably because there is no way any intelligent human being could take the bible literally.

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.9  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.7    one week ago
Those spoiled fucking brats threw away their lunches and complained that they were still hungry.

You Hate OUR future Leaders ?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.10  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.7    one week ago
Why do 'the kids hate her'?

They don't, she's very popular among both adults and kids. She was voted most admired woman by 'Time Magazine' in 2018. Some, I'm sure, hate her because they have been steeped in the same prejudices their parents were, the cherished tradition of racism and white supremacy being carefully handed down from one generation to the next. Sadly it seems we've had a resurgence of such ideology in America which shouldn't really be surprising after we just had our first black President. But really it's something that's always been here but was simply brought to the surface by the racially and politically divided climate Trump has created.

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.11  katrix  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.10    one week ago

Having our first black president, as well as the legalization of gay marriage - plus almost having our first female president -  really made the bigots, misogynists and racists come out of the woodwork. They're terrified and angry about progress, so now they're doing their best to drag us back to the days when only white males had rights.

Back on NV, the comments after gay marriage was legalized made me worry that this backlash was coming. And it sure did come. Some people will go to any lengths to stop others from having equal rights.

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.10    one week ago

I was waiting for It Is Me to give his usual deflection and non answer and voila!

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.12    one week ago
I was waiting for It Is Me to give his usual deflection and non answer and voila!

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It Is ME
11.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.10    one week ago
They don't, she's very popular among both adults and kids.

Whose polling kids ?

"She was voted most admired woman by 'Time Magazine' in 2018."

That was an "Adult" voting thingy.

Besides....Michelle ain't the Kids "Mother", but it was okay for "HER" to tell other kids what they "WILL" eat ? jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Greg Jones
11.1.15  Greg Jones  replied to  katrix @11.1.2    one week ago

She would still be an awful person even if she were white. Kinda like Hillary. Terrible role models by word and deed.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
11.1.16  KDMichigan  replied to  Greg Jones @11.1.15    one week ago
She would still be an awful person even if she were white.

But no it's racism don't you know.

She was and is nothing but a priviledged Bitch. The left tries so desperately to portray her as some kind of champion of the people when all she cares about is herself. 

I wish they would run that racist bitch for President, they could have another crying snowflake night like they did when hillaryious Hillary lost.

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.17  katrix  replied to  Greg Jones @11.1.15    one week ago

What words and deeds of hers were so terrible?

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.18  katrix  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.16    one week ago
She was and is nothing but a priviledged Bitch.

This article isn't about Melania Trump, the mail-order bride who was an illegal immigrant.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.19  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.1    one week ago
The Kids hate her

Which kids? Any proof? 

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.16    one week ago
She was and is nothing but a priviledged Bitch.

I understand you are talking about Malaria trump. 

Another one that's never heard of donald trump. Privileged cocksucker. 

Michelle Obama is very educated and hard working, that's why she and her husband are respected and have wealth. Obama's book, (which trump has attacked for the last three years because *gasp*, he made money from selling it, (I mean, the horror!!!!)), made 65 million dollars. Why? Because he is respected and people want to read it. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
11.1.21  KDMichigan  replied to  katrix @11.1.18    one week ago

256

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.22  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.21    one week ago

512

 
 
 
lib50
11.1.23  lib50  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.16    one week ago

Please give us the breakdown on your rant.  Explain why you hate Michelle Obama and support Trump, I'd like the racism explained - what she did and said, then compare to Trump and his words and actions.  What specifically makes her a 'racist bitch' and where specifically does Trump fit on that definition.  Can't wait.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.1.24  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  lib50 @11.1.23    one week ago

Hell will freeze over before you get an honest answer from these people. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.25  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1.21    one week ago

Had to be a con that made that meme... too lazy and stupid to spell out, "you are". 

 
 
 
JBB
11.1.26  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.25    one week ago

Or, to put an apostrophe in you're. lliterate rightwing memes are hilarious...

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.27  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.19    one week ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/11/24/students-are-blaming-michelle-obama-for-their-gross-school-lunches/?noredirect=on

" School kids around the country are tweeting rather unfortunate pictures of the meals they're being served at lunchtime, and thanking first lady and healthy school food advocate Michelle Obama for their bowls of mush and mystery proteins.
The tweets, which have carried the not-so-subtle #ThanksMichelleObama hashtag, were being sent out at a rate of 40 per minute late last week, but started to gain momentum some 10 days back and are still continuing to be posted as of this morning.

 
 
 
katrix
11.1.28  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.27    one week ago

News Flash! Kids don't like eating healthy food! Oh, the horror!

Only you [deleted] could pretend that supporting nutrition for our kids is a bad thing.  Just like that horrid bitch Laura Bush, supporting literacy for children.

What has Melania done again, besides game the system as an illegal immigrant, pose nude, and sell herself to the highest bidder?

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.29  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @11.1.28    one week ago

NEWS FLASH.....The report showed Kids "Specifically" hash tagged Michelle and her idea as BAD.

ANOTHER NEWS FLASH ….. The article is about Michelle Obama, and the comments I was responding too was about Whom liked whom on this "MICHELLE OBAMA" labeled article.

"KIDS" ARE IMPORTANT TOO ! jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.30  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.29    one week ago

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It Is ME
11.1.31  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.30    one week ago

New home ?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
11.1.32  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @11.1.22    one week ago

I don’t want Government to “do” anything for me. What I want is for them to leave us alone and stop infringing on our rights, liberties, and pursuit of happiness 

“The government of the United States is a definite government, confined to specified objects. It is not like state governments, whose powers are more general.Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government."
-- James Madison, speech in the House of Representatives, January 10, 1794

"I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve the measure] would be contrary to the letter and spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded."
-- President Franklin Pierce's 1854 veto of a measure to help the mentally ill.

"To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." — Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816

The makers of our Constitution ... conferred, as against the Government, the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized man." -- Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. United States (1928) 277 U.S. 438, 478

“The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedom.” – Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.33  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  livefreeordie @11.1.32    one week ago
I don’t want Government to “do” anything for me. What I want is for them to leave us alone and stop infringing on our rights, liberties, and pursuit of happiness 

There are plenty of Americans who live up in the hills and off the grid that live like you apparently want to. If you don't want to pay for the benefits of society, then go ahead, circle your own wagons so you can exclude those you want to and don't feel like you're paying the way of some immigrant or atheist.

But, if you enjoy the infrastructures of society, the (mostly) clean water, sewer, power, police departments, fire departments, hospitals and the laws that prevent worker abuse/endangerment as well as a system of monetary exchange that is relatively stable, then I guess you'll just use all the benefits while you continue to whine and rage about how statist and Marxist it all is.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.34  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.31    one week ago
New home ?

He's looking for Republican standards... the bar has to be down there somewhere...

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.35  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.34    one week ago
He's looking for Republican standards... the bar has to be down there somewhere...

James Cameron knows. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
11.1.36  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @11.1.35    one week ago
James Cameron knows

Couldn't watch the link at work, but I have to assume it's James Cameron going down in his sub to the wreck of the Titanic, did he find the Republican standards down there? I knew they were low, but I never imagined they'd go that deep...

 
 
 
It Is ME
11.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @11.1.36    one week ago
but I have to assume it's James Cameron going down in his sub to the wreck of the Titanic

Nope !

 
 
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