Do Facts Matter To Trump Supporters?

  
By:  john-russell  •  2 weeks ago  •  154 comments

Do Facts Matter To Trump Supporters?
On Sunday morning Sep 1st, Trump was not right, he was wrong.  For the previous two days forecast clearly showed the hurricane turning to the north. 

These are the official National Hurricane Center projections from Friday Aug 30, and then Saturday Aug 31

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Here is Trumps tweet after seeing  these maps, on Sunday, Sept 1. 











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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump




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In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated. Looking like one of the largest hurricanes ever. Already category 5. BE CAREFUL! GOD BLESS EVERYONE!



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By the time Trump tweeted on Sunday morning, the official projection had significantly shifted away from the path that Trump was speaking of. 


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Obviously, for whatever reason, when Trump tweeted on Sunday, his mind had not processed the updates and change of course projections from the National Hurricane Center. We can know this is true because he continues to defend his belief about the path. 


On Sunday morning Sep 1st, Trump was not right, he was wrong.  For the previous two days forecast clearly showed the hurricane turning to the north. 








So on Sunday morning Trump posted something that was seemingly ignorant of the changes. 

Later, instead of saying he was speaking in general terms in his tweet about maybe some bad weather reaching Alabama, Trump brings out a doctored map which reinforced, ta da, his ignorant tweet. 

In the pic above Trump is showing and defending a map that was OUTDATED when he tweeted on Sep.1. 

Either he doesnt understand that, or he wants to bamboozle. Or both. Probably both. 

The issue isnt really about Trump though, he is a known moron and liar.   The real issue is about the people who accept this and try to normalize it. 

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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Bizarro World. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one week ago

What is even more bizarre is that forecasts are not facts.  The map everyone is arguing about wasn't a fact; with or without a Sharpie.  None of the maps being shown in the article are facts, they are forecasts.  The only fact displayed on any of the maps was the location of hurricane Dorian on a specific date at a specific time.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1    one week ago

Trump got his degree in climatology where?  Oh that is right, he knows everything.jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.1    one week ago
Trump got his degree in climatology where?  Oh that is right, he knows everything.

Modeled weather predictions are not facts.  Modeled climate predictions are not facts.

Predictions and forecasts are not facts.

People who don't even know what is a fact shouldn't be making accusations about facts.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1.2    one week ago

People who don't even know what is a fact shouldn't be making accusations about facts.

tell that to Trump

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @1.1    one week ago
The only fact displayed on any of the maps was the location of hurricane Dorian on a specific date at a specific time. 

Au contraire, it displays the level of Trump's narcissism. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
1.2  Don Overton  replied to  JohnRussell @1    6 days ago

Facts, like truth, don't matter to the right.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 weeks ago

Sharpie gate continues...ROFL, I wonder if the sharpie was Russian? Oh the horror!  What if the Hurricane hit one of the 57 states?

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1  Tessylo  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    2 weeks ago

The only blunder or verbal gaffe President Obama made which is all you have.  Pathetic

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    2 weeks ago

A better question is why you defend a crooked moron. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
2.2.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    2 weeks ago

What's wrong John? No real news out there to grovel over? No one gives a shit about sharpie gate. This is more election night 2016 tears. Unfreakingbelievable!

 
 
 
lib50
2.2.2  lib50  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

You really want to bitch about news?  You of the Michelle penis seed?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2.2.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.1    2 weeks ago

No trolling please. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.1    one week ago
What's wrong John? No real news out there to grovel over?

What, news like the President committing a felony, on television, by altering an official hurricane map?  You don't think that is real news???

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.4    one week ago
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Ozzwald
2.2.6  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.5    one week ago
OMG your right, Quick call Mueller, call Nancy!!!! We got that sumbitch now. We must impeach immediately, no delaying, do it while it is fresh on the publics mind.

We've had plenty for impeachment for a while, only Pelosi is preventing it.  So it will just be added to the list.

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2.5    one week ago

Drawing on a NWS map with a sharpie is a felony... 

It’s possible that some may view the president’s actions as inappropriate — a number may even view them as illegal. According to U.S. Code Title 18, “Whoever knowingly issues or publishes any counterfeit weather forecast or warning of weather conditions falsely representing such forecast or warning to have been issued or published by the Weather Bureau, United States Signal Service, or other branch of the Government service, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.” In other words, showcasing weather trajectories that are wrong is a federal offense.

https://hillreporter.com/trump-may-have-broken-law-showing-weather-map-with-errant-trajectory-toward-alabama-44873

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2.8  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2.3    one week ago

“No trolling please.”

You start that Evinrude every day. That’s Stormy Daniels’ nipple on the projection. So what? Soon it’ll be Jerry ‘The Browbeater’ Nadler with a sharpie investigation along with Warren and Clinton in the dildo rodeo.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.9  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.6    one week ago
We've had plenty for impeachment for a while

You have? Maybe you should have let Mueller know because whatever it is, he didn't use it in his report.

When you list your reasons, please list why they are impeachable and the exact law that was "broken".

Please don't include your "feelings".

 
 
 
Tacos!
2.2.10  Tacos!  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.7    one week ago
Drawing on a NWS map with a sharpie is a felony

No, it isn't. Drawing on a map does not constitute issuing or publishing a counterfeit weather forecast. Nor did he falsely represent that the Weather Bureau or any other branch of government had made the mark. Additionally, he said at the time that the storm was moving to the north. 

You have to apply the actual facts to the actual elements of the law. You can't just quote a statute and broadly insist that someone violated it. And in any event, if there is anyone who has the authority to do pretty much anything with an official weather map, it would be the president/head of the executive branch.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.2.11  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @2.2.9    one week ago
You have? Maybe you should have let Mueller know because whatever it is, he didn't use it in his report.

Once again, a right winger proud of the fact that he can comment on the Mueller report, without ever reading it.

Mueller outlined at least 8 cases of obstruction against Trump in his report.

 
 
 
dennis smith
2.2.12  dennis smith  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.6    one week ago

We've had plenty for impeachment for a while, only Pelosi is preventing it.  So it will just be added to the list.

It has been on the Dem list for almost 3 years. Thinking it will happen in the next 14 months is more wishful thinking from the Dem politicians. Only the dem pols want it, not the public.

Pelosi's inaction on imeachment is all that is giving the dem party any hope at all in 2020 election.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.13  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.11    one week ago
Once again, a right winger proud of the fact that he can comment on the Mueller report, without ever reading it.

So you have access to my computer and cameras throughout my house to make the ASSumption that I did not read it.?

You did not answer my question...What are the illegal things he did, and without using Mueller's failure of a report to get your answers, what are the exact charges that should be brought up.

If you really think there are crimes committed, then why don't your friends in Congress bring charges? After all, you say it is so clear. You would think we would be in the middle of an impeachment right now.

Let me tell you why...Because only the loons on the left want an impeachment. Common sense democrats (not many of them) know there is nothing there to impeach for, and if the did try and impeach, the democratic party would be an asterisk in history after the 2020 elections. 

All this is is a tryst to keep the loons on the left fired up over something that will never happen.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.2.14  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @2.2.13    one week ago
So you have access to my computer and cameras throughout my house to make the ASSumption that I did not read it.?

Didn't have to, you made a completely false claim about what was in the report.  This shows the you obviously did not read it.

You did not answer my question...What are the illegal things he did, and without using Mueller's failure of a report to get your answers, what are the exact charges that should be brought up.

I DID answer your question.  You can't discount the obstruction AFTER the fact.  

  • So 8 counts of obstruction as outlined in Mueller's report.
  • Tax fraud, Cohen is in jail for it now.
  • Campaign finance fraud.  Remember Stormy Daniels payoff?
  • Soliciting campaign donations from foreign countries.
  • Emoluments violations.  Turns out he is ordering military flights and Pence to stop off and stay at various Trump owned properties.
  • Nepotism.

There are others as well, as you well know, since they are listed freely on various websites.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.15  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @2.2.14    one week ago
  • So 8 counts of obstruction as outlined in Mueller's report.
  • Tax fraud, Cohen is in jail for it now.
  • Campaign finance fraud.  Remember Stormy Daniels payoff?
  • Soliciting campaign donations from foreign countries.
  • Emoluments violations.  Turns out he is ordering military flights and Pence to stop off and stay at various Trump owned properties.
  • Nepotism.

Sigh...such misinformation...

If there are truly obstruction crimes, you better get on your congressperson's ass for not filing impeachment charges. After all, it's been several months since Mueller put his report out (that he knew nothing about). They know they will get there asses handed to them next year if they did.

What charges should be brought for tax fraud? There is nothing in your much heralded Mueller report on tax fraud. Again, be specific on the charges.

Campaign finance fraud has already been attempted to prove and, yet again, nothing. When will you be screaming for AOC to resign for doing what you accuse Trump of doing.....https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/ocasio-cortezs-chief-of-staff-ran-1m-slush-fund-by-diverting-campaign-cash-to-his-own-companies

Campaign donations by foreign countries..If it's true (it's not), why did you not not scream for Obama's impeachment for the same accusations...https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-campaign-raises-illegal-cash-overseas/....oh, because...Trump

There have been no emolument violations. The Air Force has put out a statement saying the crews staying at Trump property is not unusual....and not illegal....https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/air-force-insists-crews-stay-at-trump-scotland-resort-was-not-unusual...Are you accusing our armed forces of being liars? Would not surprise us if you were.

Nepotism....you say this because you know you have nothing else. Everything the loony left has thrown at this President has failed...EVERYTHING. Maybe you can, in your mind, call Trump President Hillary. We all know that is the main reason for the Trump hatred, which has led to millions of cases of TDS...Trump is not Hillary., and that pisses you off more than anything.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
2.2.16  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @2.2.15    one week ago
If there are truly obstruction crimes, you better get on your congressperson's ass for not filing impeachment charges.

Already done.

What charges should be brought for tax fraud? 

Ummm, tax fraud charges....duh.  Same charges that put Cohen in jail.

Campaign finance fraud has already been attempted to prove and, yet again, nothing.

Your comment is a lie, investigation is ongoing, and Trump has even admitted to paying off Stormy Daniels to help his campaign.

There have been no emolument violations. The Air Force has put out a statement saying the crews staying at Trump property is not unusual....and not illegal.

Not unusual?  Name one time it happened prior to Trump being POTUS.

Nepotism....you say this because you know you have nothing else.

No I say it because there are laws and policies in place to prevent it with federal employees.

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.2.17  Don Overton  replied to  JohnRussell @2.2    6 days ago

Amen

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.2.18  Don Overton  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2.2.1    6 days ago

And you keep right on defending a liar, a con, and a "president" that hates the Constitution, which is becoming a trade mark of the entire republican party

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.2.19  Don Overton  replied to  bugsy @2.2.15    6 days ago

Not one credible source in your entire gibberish 

 
 
 
lib50
2.3  lib50  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @2    2 weeks ago

I'm a little gobsmacked how often you bring up Russia.  With no context. 

No, not really, I know you are just doing more Trump defense with offense. Not really working, need to up your game.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3  author  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Hurricane Dorian updates for Friday, Aug. 30, 2019

Update 11 p.m.:  Hurricane Dorian continued to strengthen rapidly Friday night, swelling into a powerful Category 4 storm as it churned across the Atlantic toward Florida.

But the possibility that Palm Beach County may avoid a direct hit improved in the National Hurricane Center’s 11 p.m  forecast .

The center line of Dorian’s latest projected path has it grazing Brevard County as a Category 3 storm Tuesday night, then veering north off the coast of northeast Florida.

That’s a significant change from Friday morning, when the forecast’s center line pointed squarely at Palm Beach County and meteorologists predicted Dorian would strike as a Category 4 storm.

https://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/20190831/hurricane-dorian-11-pm-update-category-4-stormrsquos-new-track-shifts-north

 
 
 
Ender
4  Ender    2 weeks ago

Do Facts Matter To Trump Supporters?

No.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago
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Ender
4.1.1  Ender  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1    2 weeks ago

The only fake news comes from the administration.

Sad that some are so blinded.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1    2 weeks ago

Either point out the fake news in my article, or dont say it again.    Fake news is off topic on this article. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

They drool over every lie out of that piece of shits' mouth

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    2 weeks ago
They drool over every lie out of that piece of shits' mouth

I'm glad you agree that the Anti trumpers drool

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.5  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.3    2 weeks ago

Unbelievable. I just read an article about some woman that has attended about 50 trump events.

The die hard trumpie actually said if not for him, she wouldn't know what is going on.

Talk about clueless.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.6  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

On election night once we found out she lost, i was so sad my eyes drooled uncontrollably for hours. Then I put on a pink crotch hat and marched around with antisemitic march leaders and shouted at the sky. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.7  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    2 weeks ago
Either point out the fake news in my article,

The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane. No matter how much you spin and sputter it doesn't change the facts.

The sad new is that Anderson "Fake News" Cooper missed out on another chance to stand in a ditch. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

So you are stuck in a time warp. Do you want a medal? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.9  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane. No matter how much you spin and sputter it doesn't change the facts.

Yes, the NOAA has affirmed that it could have rained in Alabama on those days. 

My article is not fake news, it is actually a demonstration of how stupid and careless Trump is.   In the sharpie photograph he is shown using a map that was outdated WHEN HE MADE HIS FAMOUS TWEET on Sunday. 

It's a good thing he wasnt president in Oct of 1962 or some of you who are 56 or younger may never have been born. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.11  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

Everyday is groundhog's day for me. I wake up, flip on the tv and cry over Trump. Nazi, Russia!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
The NOAA statement on Friday makes no reference to the fact that when Trump tweeted Alabama was at risk it was not in the National Hurricane Center’s “cone of uncertainty,” which is the zone in which forecasters determine the storm is most likely to track. Alabama had also not appeared in the cone in days prior and no Hurricane Center text product ever mentioned the state.

Trump’s tweet that Alabama would be impacted by the storm gained national spotlight on Wednesday when he presented a modified version of the forecast cone on August 29, extended into Alabama — hand-drawn using a Sharpie. The crudely altered map appeared to represent an effort to retroactively justify the original Alabama tweet.

The doctored map went viral, becoming a source of ridicule among many political pundits and late-night talk show hosts, who accused the President of dishonesty.

In the face of criticism about the modified map, Trump fired off additional tweets on   Wednesday   and   Thursday , insisting Alabama was at risk all along, including presenting a map from August 29 depicting a small possibility that Alabama would see tropical storm force winds.

The map indicated only a five to 20 percent chance of such conditions in parts of Alabama beginning on Monday. However, by the time of President Trump’s tweet on Sept. 1, those odds were down to a 5 percent chance of tropical storm conditions in a sliver of extreme southeastern Alabama.

Ten days ago, computer model predictions did present a scenario in which Dorian would strike Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico and potentially impact Alabama. However, by Friday, Aug. 29, when the president was briefed by acting NOAA administrator Neil Jacobs, that scenario had become highly unlikely. By Sunday morning, when Trump tweeted about the Alabama threat, no credible computer model showed any risk to the state.

The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast, and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office which NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. “[The Hurricane Center’s] wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a   tweet Friday evening   that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous   tweet   sent out by NOAA management tonight.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/09/06/noaa-backs-president-trump-alabama-hurricane-forecast-rebukes-weather-service-office-that-accurately-contradicted-him/
 
 
 
arkpdx
4.1.13  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.9    one week ago
My article is not fake news,

Okay if you are unhappy with it being accurately cakes fake , I will call it what it really is. It is the biggest load of inconsequential meaningless horse manure waste if space that the world has ever seen. 

Feel better now?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.14  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.12    one week ago

As usual JR you believe what you want to believe....Fake news.

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.15  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.14    one week ago

I asked you what is the fake news. A meme of Anderson Cooper is not the answer. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.16  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.15    one week ago
I asked you what is the fake news.

And I told you. But you would rather worry about sharpiegate and Russia.

A meme of Anderson Cooper is not the answer.

He represents what you feed off of JR.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.17  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.16    one week ago

Donald Trump used an outdated map for both his tweet last Sunday and his defense of that tweet a couple days later. 

You are happy with the POTUS using outdated irrelevant material in his duties? 

My article is far from fake news. 

20 minutes after he posted his dumb ass tweet, the Birminghan ALABAMA office of the national weather service corrected him. Thats another fact. 

In my opinion some Trump supporters wouldnt know a fact if it fell from the sky and conked them on the noggin. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.18  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.17    one week ago
the Birminghan ALABAMA office of the national weather service corrected him

And then the NOAA corrected them that the projected path they told President Trump substantiated his claim.

The parent agency of the National Weather Service said late Friday that President Trump was correct when he claimed earlier this week that Hurricane Dorian had threatened the state of Alabama.
The surprise announcement in an unsigned statement by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration essentially endorsed Trump's Sunday tweet saying that Alabama will "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

But....but....Trump.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.19  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.18    one week ago
The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast, and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office which NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. “[The Hurricane Center’s] wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a   tweet Friday evening   that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous   tweet   sent out by NOAA management tonight.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/09/06/noaa-backs-president-trump-alabama-hurricane-forecast-rebukes-weather-service-office-that-accurately-contradicted-him/

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.20  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.19    one week ago

The NOAA statement supporting Trump was the sort of thing we used to see in the old Soviet Union. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.21  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.18    one week ago

KD Michigan, I am going to go slow.   On both Aug 30 and Aug 31, BEFORE Trump made his tweet, the NOAA released projections that showed the hurricane tuning to the north and away from Alabama. 

Yet, in his tweet Trump continued to rely on the outdated projections. We KNOW this because he used one of the outdated maps to defend himself afterward, he even drew on it to try to make his point. 

What I am telling you is as definitive as we can get in this world. 

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.22  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.20    one week ago

Are you floating another Russia conspiracy?

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.23  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.21    one week ago
What I am telling you is as definitive as we can get in this world.

What you can't seem to explain is why anyone should care.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.24  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.7    one week ago
The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane.

No they didn't. Name ONE scientist at NOAA that signed that worthless letter? One. We'll wait. In fact, who actually signed that letter? No one seems to know. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.25  MrFrost  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.14    one week ago

512

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.26  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.7    one week ago
The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane.

NOAA's Director of Communications sent out that release. Her job before NOAA was on the on the Trump Campaign and Inaugural. The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off at being throw under the bus by her, especially those in Alabama. The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.27  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Dulay @4.1.26    one week ago

Sounds about par for the course. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.28  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.26    one week ago
The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off

Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements.

Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.29  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.28    one week ago
It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

Well someone sure as hell has to. He's the biggest liar, by far, to ever hold the office. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.30  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.29    one week ago
Well someone sure as hell has to.

Not publicly they don't. Not on fuckin Twitter, they don't. He's the Commander in Chief FFS. You don't go on Twitter talking about how wrong he is. Even if you want to see it as a civilian matter, no one with two brain cells to rub together takes to Twitter to correct their boss. If you think the boss is fucking up, you go up the chain.

Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.31  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @4.1.26    one week ago
NOAA's Director of Communications sent out that release.

No shit? Wow and here I thought it was someone called NOAA.

Her job before NOAA was on the on the Trump Campaign and Inaugural.

Who gives a shit? 

The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off at being throw under the bus by her,

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The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements.

Who cares, Impeach him FFS, He comitted a felony. I would be contacting your representatives daily calling for his impeachment. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.32  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.2    one week ago

This article itself is fake news.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.33  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.30    one week ago

Well, they wanted to act patriotically.  Opposing Trump is patriotism. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.34  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.32    one week ago

I am not going to waste my time. The article is completely accurate. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.35  author  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.16    one week ago

[Deleted] and your ridiculous concern over him "standing in a ditch" at a flood.  I showed you a video that he made that shows every part of your belief about that was silly.  He wasnt standing in low ground, the highway where the tv crew was standing was high ground. 

I gave you the video which COMPLETELY debunks your argument about Anderson Cooper and the flooding, and still six months later you are still whining about it?  

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arkpdx
4.1.36  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.35    one week ago

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Dulay
4.1.37  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.28    one week ago
Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

Gee Tacos!, what place would that be?

My understanding is that they are scientists that specialize in weather. Their place is to inform Americans about severe weather and drought. 

Being sycophants to Trump isn't part of their mandate. 

Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

It's their job to disseminate FACTS and to correct FALSE statements that could effect the lives and livelihoods of Americans. If that puts Trump on the side of falsehoods, perhaps it's time for Trump to start telling the fucking truth. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.38  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.31    one week ago
Who cares

Those of us who still have a sense of what's right, a modicum of respect for our civil servants and a smidgen left of our love of country even though it's lead by Trump. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.39  MrFrost  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.28    one week ago
Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

No, they are scientists who release information that informs people so they can make the right decisions to save their lives. They are NOT politicians tripping over their own dicks to kiss trumps orange fat ass. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.40  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.30    one week ago
Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

Exhibit A: Donald Trump

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.41  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.30    one week ago
Not publicly they don't. Not on fuckin Twitter, they don't.

WHY? Please explain why civil servants that take a 

He's the Commander in Chief FFS.

He's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, not the scientists that work for the NOAA. 

You don't go on Twitter talking about how wrong he is. Even if you want to see it as a civilian matter, no one with two brain cells to rub together takes to Twitter to correct their boss. If you think the boss is fucking up, you go up the chain.

Utter bullshit. They have a statutory duty to tell the American people the truth. 

Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

So you propose that the Government employee who TOLD THE TRUTH on twitter should loose their job? Wow. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.42  livefreeordie  replied to  Dulay @4.1.38    one week ago

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we should eliminate the National Weather service as a federal agency. There is no Constitutional authority for it.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.43  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @4.1.38    one week ago
Those of us who still have a sense of what's right, a modicum of respect for our civil servants

Okay I'll accept your beliefs and I understand how you feel about President Trump but do you really think Hillary fulfilled your expectations? Bernie Sanders I can respect because he is straight forward with his ideas. I don't agree with him what so ever though.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.44  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.34    one week ago

Finally you are going to stop wasting your time with inaccuracies.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.45  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @4.1.38    one week ago

Those of us who have a sense of what's right put Trump in office in 2016 and will do it again in 2020 if the Dems continue to do the two things they have been unsuccessful on for almost 3 years. Impeachment and filing nonsense lawsuits.

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.46  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.41    one week ago

There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.47  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.46    one week ago
There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

Since when IN HELL is a Trump supporter concerned about the "right way" to do things? That's hilarious. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.48  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.47    one week ago

A thing is either right or wrong John, no matter what the people you don't like might be doing. Like I said, you either get that or you don't. Or you do get it, but your partisan politics won't let you face it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.49  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.4    one week ago
The only fake news comes from the administration. Sad that some are so blinded.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.50  Tessylo  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.42    one week ago

'we should eliminate the National Weather service as a federal agency. There is no Constitutional authority for it.'

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katrix
4.1.51  katrix  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.28    one week ago
Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

What bullshit. It is their job to present the facts - which they do to save lives - not to cover shit up to protect Trump's snowflake ego.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.52  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @4.1.51    one week ago

It seems all Tacos has is trumpsplanations and kissing his ass.  

What did he call it, a visual aid for a tRump presser?  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

https://www.newser.com/story/280160/before-alabama-controversy-noaa-staff-had-been-warned.html?fbclid=IwAR3Nm8wx9bwcQbBczgOQAu5MH-WHk89d2uGvIHISyDoj6P3J4SpEaQwZoBU

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.53  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.52    one week ago

(NEWSER)   – The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration   on Friday issued a statement   backing President Trump's claim, nearly a week prior, that Alabama faced serious risk from Hurricane Dorian. NOAA's support of Trump was a head-scratcher, because the National Weather Service (a NOAA agency) had quickly refuted Trump's claim via one of its regional offices, and forecasts had Alabama out of harm's way prior to Trump's claim last Sunday that the state could be hit hard. Now the   Washington Post   has more on how, exactly, NOAA came to be so enmeshed in the controversy: An anonymous NOAA meteorologist says that hours after Trump's original statement last Sunday, and soon after the Birmingham NWS office had shot down his claims, NOAA sent out an agencywide directive that apparently warned staff not to contradict the president.

Specifically, staff was instructed to "only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon" and to not "provide any opinion." A similar message was sent out by NOAA on Wednesday, after Trump doubled down on his Alabama claim and showed an Aug. 29 hurricane map that had apparently been modified with black Sharpie marker to include Alabama. "This is the first time I’ve felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast," the meteorologist tells the   Post . "One of the things we train on is to dispel inaccurate rumors and ultimately that is what was occurring" with the incorrect Alabama information. NOAA's public backing of Trump Friday was proving controversial among scientists, the   AP   reports; former top NOAA officials from both sides of the political aisle are among those decrying the agency for risking its own credibility and perhaps even endangering lives. Meanwhile, Trump   tweeted   a bizarre cat video Saturday night in what   Slate   notes was an apparent attempt to mock CNN for its continuing coverage of "Sharpiegate." (Read more   Hurricane Dorian   stories.)

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.54  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.46    one week ago
There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

The 'right way to do things' does NOT include publishing a release to support a FALSE statement by Trump.

NOAA is not a political agency. It's sole purpose is to predict and monitor weather that could have an effect on our country's inhabitants. 

The one that don't 'get it' are the Trump sycophants who think that their job is to support Trump's fantasies no matter how they may effect the country. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.55  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.43    one week ago
Okay I'll accept your beliefs and I understand how you feel about President Trump but do you really think Hillary fulfilled your expectations? Bernie Sanders I can respect because he is straight forward with his ideas. I don't agree with him what so ever though.

WTF do Clinton or Sanders have to do with this?

Seriously, save the whataboutism.

Address Trump's ACTIONS, stop attempting to use others to excuse them. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.56  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.54    one week ago
The 'right way to do things' does NOT include publishing a release to support a FALSE statement by Trump.

We're talking about the behavior of someone with Twitter access at NWS and all you can do is sputter "B-b-but . . . Trump!"

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.57  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @4.1.55    one week ago
Seriously, save the whataboutism.

It's not about whataboutism its about hypocrisy. Something that you demonstrate very well.

So save your faux indignation of President Trumps actions for someone who buys it.

Call your congressperson and let him know President Trump committed a felony and needs to be impeached now before he destroys America with a sharpie...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.58  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  arkpdx @4.1.13    one week ago

The inconsequential meaningless horse manure resides in the Oval Office.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.59  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.56    one week ago
We're talking about the behavior of someone with Twitter access at NWS and all you can do is sputter "B-b-but . . . Trump!"

Trump is the predicate for the topic of the seed. 

The person that put out the NWS twitter message TOLD THE TRUTH. You seem to have an issue with scientific facts. Why? 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.60  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.57    one week ago
It's not about whataboutism its about hypocrisy.

Nope. 'Ya I know how you feel about Trump but whatabout Clinton.' Whataboutism.  

Something that you demonstrate very well.

Personal attacks are all you've got I see. 

So save your faux indignation of President Trumps actions for someone who buys it.

It should come to no surprise to you that I could not care less what you buy. 

Call your congressperson and let him know President Trump committed a felony and needs to be impeached now before he destroys America with a sharpie...

Thank you so much for your guidance and intelligent recommendations. /s

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.61  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.59    one week ago
You seem to have an issue with scientific facts.

If that's what you think, then your reading comprehension sucks. Maybe that's your issue. I have said over and over that I had a problem with the process, not the content of the thought. I didn't say anything about whether or not the tweeter was correct. I have said repeatedly that the way he/she went about it was inappropriate.

Phrases in my comments like "We're talking about the behavior," "There is a right way to do things," "You don't go on Twitter," and "you go up the chain" are fundamental clues to the nature of the conversation.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.62  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.61    one week ago
 I have said over and over that I had a problem with the process, not the content of the thought. I have said repeatedly that the way he/she went about it was inappropriate.

What do you suggest they should have done, ask Trump to correct his statement? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

This is what they posted:

"Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east. #alwx."

The 'Acting' Chief Scientist of NOAA  has a process with the process too. 

Here is what he said today:

A Message from Craig McLean: Hurricane Dorian and Exceptional Service
Dear Colleagues,
The fierce storm we know as Hurricane Dorian has concluded its ferocious path through the Bahamas and along the U.S. East Coast. Many of you have contributed to the excellent science that has underpinned the forecasts and current understanding of storms such as this one, which accelerated quite rapidly in intensity. The storm also presented challenges in track which improved with enhanced observations. We know that our collective work, from the scientists in the aircraft penetrating the storm, to the scientists deploying the glider picket line, to the modelers and folks working the physics of the storms, across OAR and in our CI's, and across all NOAA Lines, we are working the problem in order to give the NWS forecasters the best tools we possibly can to keep America and our neighbors safe. Thank you. 

During the course of the storm, as I am sure you are aware, there were routine and exceptional expert forecasts, the best possible, issued by the NWS Forecasters. These are remarkable colleagues of ours, who receive our products, use them well, and provide the benefit of their own experience in announcing accurate forecasts accompanied by the distinction of all credible scientists—they sign their work. As I'm sure you also know, there was a complex issue involving the President commenting on the path of the hurricane. The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should. There followed, last Friday, an unsigned press release from "NOAA" that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political. Our NOAA Scientific Integrity Policy and Code of Scientific Conduct make clear that all NOAA employees shall approach all scientific activities with honesty, objectively, and completely, without allegiance to individuals, organizations, or ideology. The content of this press release is very concerning as it compromises the ability of NOAA to convey life-saving information necessary to avoid substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. If the public cannot trust our information, or we debase our forecaster's warnings and products, that specific danger arises. 

You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information. Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA's policies of scientific integrity. In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity. Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best. Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths. I will.

Thank you for your continued excellent work, and your trust. Carry on.

https://www.research.noaa.gov/article/ArtMID/587/ArticleID/2489/A-Message-from-Craig-McLean-Hurricane-Dorian-and-Exceptional-Service
 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.63  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.62    one week ago
What do you suggest they should have done, ask Trump to correct his statement?

That would be one thing they could have done. They also could have asked him why he was saying what he was saying. Maybe he had a good reason. You laugh at these suggestions, but I see them as basic good manners.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.64  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.63    one week ago
That would be one thing they could have done. They also could have asked him why he was saying what he was saying. Maybe he had a good reason. You laugh at these suggestions, but I see them as basic good manners.

Basic good manners with Trump? Hilarious. 

Cite ONE TIME that Trump has admitted he was wrong, mistaken, made a mistake, misspoke? Just ONE. 

Oh and BTFW, Trump has had a week to 'clarify' why he said what he did. None of his excuses are credible. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.1.65  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @4.1.64    one week ago
Basic good manners with Trump? Hilarious.

Again, we aren't talking about Trump's behavior. We're talking about the manners of whoever tweeted to correct him. Someone who actually values good manners doesn't depend on the behavior of others to control how they themselves behave. To believe otherwise would be to justify all manner of abhorrent behavior - police brutality, for example.

If we base our willingness to behave like civilized people on the behavior of others, then cops would be free to beat up everyone they arrest. Or internationally, we should just go ahead and carpet bomb countries like Iran or North Korea because after all, they would be happy to do the same to us or someone else. I don't know if that's the kind of world you want to live in, but it's not how I choose to live.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.66  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.65    6 days ago
Again, we aren't talking about Trump's behavior. We're talking about the manners of whoever tweeted to correct him.

We ARE talking about Trump's behavior since that is what predicated the tweet went out to correct his FALSE statement. 

Someone who actually values good manners doesn't depend on the behavior of others to control how they themselves behave. 

Someone who has a statutory mandate to disseminate FACTUAL weather warnings doesn't worry about whether it's 'good manners' to correct the FALSE statement by the Narcissist in Chief. 

To believe otherwise would be to justify all manner of abhorrent behavior - police brutality, for example. If we base our willingness to behave like civilized people on the behavior of others, then cops would be free to beat up everyone they arrest. Or internationally, we should just go ahead and carpet bomb countries like Iran or North Korea because after all, they would be happy to do the same to us or someone else. I don't know if that's the kind of world you want to live in, but it's not how I choose to live.

Argle-bargle.

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.67  Don Overton  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @4.1.11    6 days ago

You kiss his picture first?

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.68  Don Overton  replied to  KDMichigan @4.1.18    6 days ago

Please supply the entire NOAA correction because you undoubtedly missed a lot

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.69  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.28    6 days ago

Actually it is but then knowing how the government works is not one of your abilities I would surmise 

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.70  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.30    6 days ago

Wow, what an ignorant comment

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.71  Don Overton  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.32    6 days ago

And you know this how. [deleted]

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.72  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.46    6 days ago

And you  do?  That's a big laugh

 
 
 
Don Overton
4.1.73  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @4.1.48    6 days ago

Then you obviously don't "get it".

 
 
 
lady in black
5  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Only alternative facts matter, real facts not so much...real facts to deporables is akin to putting salt on a slug

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1  Raven Wing  replied to  lady in black @5    one week ago
real facts to deporables is akin to putting salt on a slug

Then they eat the slug because Trump would say it tastes like chicken. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
6  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Bold call after two years of  “Russian collusion.”

just pretend the left didn’t just make up a conspiracy between trump and Putin...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @6    2 weeks ago

I think Trump's Sunday tweet is somewhat understandable since he simply doesnt care about his own personal accuracy on things. He wants to hype. It is a little surprising that he didnt include 10 or 15 states in his personal hurricane disaster warning. 

However, his using a map that was outdated WHEN he made the tweet, to defend himself later,  is inexplicable other than for the fact he is an idiot. 

 
 
 
WallyW
6.1.1  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    2 weeks ago

How many more days are you going waste on this silly story.

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arkpdx
6.1.2  arkpdx  replied to  WallyW @6.1.1    one week ago

It's all he's got!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.2    one week ago
It's all he's got!

Trump's stupidities and lies are a bottomless well.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @6.1.1    one week ago
How many more days are you going waste on this silly story.

Ask trump, he tweeted about it this morning. 

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.5  cjcold  replied to  WallyW @6.1.1    one week ago
this silly story

Trump committed a felony. How is that silly? Lock him up!

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6.1.6  livefreeordie  replied to  cjcold @6.1.5    one week ago

No matter how many times leftist repeat a lie, it won’t make it true

Trump has not committed any crimes.  If you leftists really believe that why hasn’t the Democrat controlled House initiated formal impeachment?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.7  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.6    one week ago
No matter how many times leftist repeat a lie, it won’t make it true

512

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6.1.8  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.7    one week ago

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pat wilson
6.1.9  pat wilson  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.6    one week ago
If you leftists really believe that why hasn’t the Democrat controlled House initiated formal impeachment?

They should, just for the principle. But it would ultimately be a waste of effort and resources. It would never get to a Senate vote much less pass one.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
6.1.10  livefreeordie  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.9    one week ago

It’s all political theater.   the Democrat leadership knows Trump hasn’t committed any impeachable offense.  

They are simply engaged in this in the hope of weakening his re-election odds.

 
 
 
pat wilson
6.1.11  pat wilson  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.10    one week ago

The Mueller report shows that he committed obstruction of justice several times. That's not only impeachable its criminal.

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.1.12  dennis smith  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.11    one week ago

And yet he is still POTUS and not being impeached. Says volumes for the BS you are swallowing up from the Dem politicians.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  arkpdx @6.1.2    one week ago

The turd in chief was still commenting on it Saturday night.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.14  igknorantzrulz  replied to  dennis smith @6.1.12    one week ago
And yet he is still POTUS and not being impeached. Says volumes for the BS you are swallowing up from the Dem politicians.

No, it says voluminous VOLUMES about how the GOP has been so perverted, that even knowing what they doabout this POS potUS, they would not vote in the Senateto impeach !

Right there, is the reason impeachment has yet to be moved forward by Pelosi, and it's a damn shame, thatyou, that U canot see

this, and so much more. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
6.1.15  Don Overton  replied to  livefreeordie @6.1.10    6 days ago

Hell the Dems don't need to do anything to weaken his re-election odds, he does that all by himself with lots of help from the GOP

 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    one week ago
The real issue is about the people who accept this and try to normalize it. 

Accept what exactly? That in addition to the people in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas he was also concerned that people in Alabama stay safe and alert?

I guess you're right. Being concerned for the safety of his fellow Americans is pretty twisted. IMPEACH! jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

/s

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7    one week ago

Some things are hopeless. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
7.1.1  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one week ago

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Tacos!
7.1.2  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one week ago

What do you find so out of bounds about all this? It's not as if he said Alaska could be impacted by the hurricane.

And it's also not as if hurricanes care about state borders or the latest forecast. This hurricane, in particular, has been difficult to forecast. There have been several news stories to that effect. The forecasts have changed almost hourly. When it stalled for so long - moving at 1 mph - that was completely unexpected. 

People in the potential paths of this storm were being warned about it a whole week or more in advance of its potential landfall. When it slowed down and started to turn, it actually increased in size - something else that wasn't predicted. An unpredictable storm makes a stop or a turn and you want to stop warning a whole state that had previously been part of the warnings? And this, while the storm grows larger. Why?

He wasn't telling anyone to evacuate or anything like that. There was literally nothing but concern and caution in what he was doing. He was erring on the side of extra caution and you - for some inexplicable reason - have a major problem with that. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.2    one week ago

I think Trump's sentiment , in isolation, is just someone playing the big shot.  He is known to be grandiose and the bigger the hurricane the more he can seem in his own mind to be important to it. 

There is no problem with him warning people. There is more of a problem in the fact that he was using a map that was not up to date. There is no question that when he tweeted on Sunday morning the national hurricane center had changed the projected path of the storm. The Saturday evening projection had the hurricane missing Alabama totally by a margin of at least 100 miles. 

512

There is no reason for the president to be uninformed like that.  Then he compounds it by trotting out an outdated map on Wednesday that he had drawn on with a magic marker. 

I have no idea why you defend this stuff. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    one week ago
someone playing the big shot

He is the President of the United States. That kind of makes him a "big shot" whether you like it or not. But even if you think he's prone to making things all about him, how does acknowledging Alabama as a place to be alert and safe accomplish that? 

There is more of a problem in the fact that he was using a map that was not up to date.

Why is that a problem? Furthermore, what is the likelihood that the President of the United States had anything to do with the production of a visual aid? Why would anyone as self-important as you say stoop to putting his thoughts and energy into a job some assistant to an assistant probably gave to an intern?

the national hurricane center had changed the projected path of the storm

Do you understand that a hurricane is hundreds of miles across? The hurricane center is only forecasting the path of the eye of the hurricane. The eye is maybe a couple dozen miles across. The rain, wind, and flooding it causes propagates for hundreds of miles in all directions. In fact, it doesn't even need to rain in a town for that town to see flooding downriver from a place where it did rain.

So, even though technically, this hurricane never made landfall in Florida, it would be foolish to say that it didn't do anything to Florida. 

There is no reason for the president to be uninformed like that

He's not a weather man. He's the president. Other people brief him on the storm. It's like that for any president. He can only go with what he's told. If he was told the storm could impact Alabama, he is in no position to argue the point. He just passes the information along. Thus:

NOAA Contradicts Weather Service, Backs Trump On Hurricane Threat In Alabama

The parent agency of the National Weather Service said late Friday that President Trump was correct when he claimed earlier this week that Hurricane Dorian had threatened the state of Alabama.

We could quibble about details, of course, like this:

one National Hurricane Center map showed that Alabama could see tropical-force, not hurricane-class winds.

Like it or not, that is still the effect of the hurricane. It's not hurricane force winds, but it is hurricane caused weather, and tropical-force winds can still do plenty of damage.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.4    one week ago

The map of Aug 31st shows the outer reaches of the hurricanes path missing Alabama by at least 100 miles. 

512

You often seem to be the most dedicated defender of Trump on this site, even to the point of your ignoring the obvious. I guess thats your problem, I kind of give up. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.5    one week ago
I kind of give up

Your comment is completely unresponsive to any of the points I made, so I guess I give up. You're angry over nothing.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.7  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.6    one week ago

Actually, I have been extremely clear on this seed. 

The problem is that you think the president of the United States passing off old stale information is fine, and then ludicrously and clownishly attempting to get over on people by altering a map is fine.  This is all your problem as a constant Trump defender, no one else's. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
7.1.8  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    one week ago

Agreed and yet you are still posting inaccuracies.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.6    one week ago
U.S.

John Oliver Brutally Mocks Trump Over Alabama Map Sharpie Stunt

a76e9ca0-ba9f-11e7-afbd-e700b0f36d78_dai   By marlow.stern@thedailybeast.com (Marlow Stern), The Daily Beast   8 hours ago  

e35343be7b04043bc5b1b2416106265a HBO

After a month-long break,   John Oliver   returned to   Last Week Tonight   and immediately confronted the most absurd news of the week: Sharpiegate, wherein President Donald Trump “spent seemingly the entire week desperately trying to prove he was in the right when he claimed last Sunday Alabama was one of the states most likely to be hit by Hurricane Dorian—an effort that included 10 tweets and this incredible moment.”

Yes, Trump presented a map of the storm path to the press that had clearly been altered with a black Sharpie to convey that Alabama was in its path. And, when Trump was pressed on the alteration during a presser, he not-so-convincingly responded, “I don’t know… I don’t know… I don’t know…”

“Really? You don’t know? Are you sure about that? You don’t think that   you   might have done it?!” asked Oliver. “I gotta say, for someone who lies so constantly, it’s genuinely astounding how bad he is at it. There is a non-zero chance that, if he loses every state next year, he’ll claim he’s won by standing in front of a fully blue map with the word ‘RED’ written on it and Sharpie stains on his fingers.”

As a White House aide confessed   to   The Washington Post , it was Trump who tweaked the map because “no one else writes like that on a map with a black Sharpie.”

John Oliver on His Immigration Battle Against Trump: ‘Their Actions Have Been Heinous’

Stephen Colbert Mocks Trump for Consoling ‘Imaginary’ Alabama Hurricane Victims

“Of course they don’t! Trump is notorious for using Sharpies to fix things he doesn’t like,” said Oliver, before throwing to a printed-out   Vanity Fair   article by Juli Weiner, a current writer on   Last Week Tonight,   that had been marked up like mad in a Sharpie by none other than Trump.

“This is my favorite part: circling her name and writing next to it ‘bad writer,’” offered Oliver, before joking, “And look, to be fair to him, I’ve been saying the same thing to her for six years but I don’t do it in Sharpie, I do it by ruthlessly demanding endless rewrites and being generally withholding of praise—like a professional!”

Read more at The Daily Beast.

Rolling Stone

NOAA Staff Instructed Not to Contradict the President’s Sharpie Hurricane Forecasts

db719b40-5837-11e6-9036-e7be167f9571_RS_   Peter Wade, Rolling Stone   17 hours ago  

a274e9e3daf18867e5eff51f5b19a42b Click here to read the full article.

After President   Donald Trump   falsely claimed in a tweet that   Hurricane Dorian   would hit the state of Alabama “(much) harder than anticipated,”   National Weather Service   staff were directed not to contradict his assertion. In an agencywide directive, employees were instructed to “only stick with official National Hurricane Center forecasts if questions arise from some national level social media posts which hit the news this afternoon” and encouraged not to “provide any opinion,” according to an email obtained by the   Washington Post .

An anonymous   NOAA   meteorologist told the  Post  that the directive was interpreted to be a reaction to a tweet sent by the National Weather Service’s office in Birmingham saying the president was incorrect.

“Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian,” NWS Birmingham   said in the tweet . “We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east.”

The meteorologist said this directive was the first of its kind he’d ever received. “This is the first time I’ve felt pressure from above to not say what truly is the forecast,” the meteorologist said. “It’s hard for me to wrap my head around. One of the things we train on is to dispel inaccurate rumors and ultimately that is what was occurring — ultimately what the Alabama office did is provide a forecast with their tweet, that is what they get paid to do.”

Another similar message was disseminated after the president held a press conference in the Oval Office   displaying an altered map of the hurricane’s path   drawn on the official August 29 forecast with a black permanent marker.

A NWS spokesperson told the  Post  that “NWS leadership sent this guidance to field staff so they (and the entire agency) could maintain operational focus on Dorian and other severe weather hazards without distraction.”

Later that week, on Friday, NOAA issued a public statement supporting the president’s claim about Alabama and scolding the Birmingham office. “Birmingham National Weather Service’s Sunday morning tweet spoke in absolute terms that were inconsistent with probabilities from the best forecast products available at the time,” the statement said.

According to Jane Lubchenco, Obama’s NOAA administrator, the agency is acting to help the president save face rather than focusing on providing accurate information.

“This looks like classic politically motivated obfuscation to justify inaccurate statements made by the boss,” she said. “It is truly sad to see political appointees undermining the superb, lifesaving work of NOAA’s talented and dedicated career servants.”

 
 
 
Tacos!
7.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.9    one week ago

No one cares what John Oliver or Rolling Stone has to say about pretty much anything.

 
 
 
Don Overton
7.1.11  Don Overton  replied to  Tacos! @7.1.10    6 days ago

I''m sure you don't but many do but they don't kowtow to him all day and all night and dream about him in their dreams

 
 
 
MrFrost
8  MrFrost    one week ago

512

 
 
 
MrFrost
9  MrFrost    one week ago

512

 
 
 
pat wilson
10  pat wilson    one week ago

Dorian was headed for Alabahama !

 
 
 
Citizen Kane-473667
11  Citizen Kane-473667    one week ago

Let's all just sit down and have a beer over it...

We can invite the media to take pictures!

 
 
 
WallyW
12  WallyW    one week ago

I've never seen someone waste so much time endlessly posting.....

worthless crap that no one gives a fuck about. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Raven Wing
12.1  Raven Wing  replied to  WallyW @12    one week ago
worthless crap that no one gives a fuck about.

Then why do YOU read it? Simple.....if you don't like it then don't read it then post a complaint about it that no one gives a hockey puck about.  

 
 
 
WallyW
12.1.1  WallyW  replied to  Raven Wing @12.1    one week ago

Then why do YOU read it?

So I can refute and complain about it.

If I can ruffle a liberal feathers in the process, that makes for a good day

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
12.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @12.1.1    one week ago

If I can ruffle a liberal feathers in the process, that makes for a good day

Well Wally, some others around here just might be able to shove the fowl in to the damn woodchipper, 

and thenkewe  should see THOSE Feathers FLY,

and for how many, that it does also, make for a "good day"  eh 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
12.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @12    one week ago

Deleted - CoC violation.  sandy

What does your comment 12 have to do with facts mattering to Trump Supporters, cause all you have done is prove title somewhat accurate. Please do enlighten...

 
 
 
lib50
12.2.1  lib50  replied to  igknorantzrulz @12.2    one week ago

They won't come out and say they support and believe a racist liar, they just try to change the subject or try to laugh it off as nothing.  If its nothing, why aren't they bitching about Trump wasting his time on it?  Oh, because they really don't care about anything except 'ruffling liberal feathers'.  Pissing off liberals is their reason for living, almost every Trump supporter will bring it up at some point during a debate.  But some are already trying to squirm away from support because they are seeing a blowback coming and want to be able to pretend they never supported the old crotchwaffle. 

 
 
 
Don Overton
12.3  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @12    6 days ago

Every tried to read your own  comments

 
 
 
freepress
13  freepress    one week ago

Facts never matter when the Republican base will vote without question for any white guy Republicans throw out there. He is male, he is white, he becomes their idol, they will adopt him as their "daddy" and will hear nothing bad about him no matter how bad the truth really is. Every single time anyone points out a fact that is true but displays their adopted "daddy" figure in a bad light, they attack the messenger. You cannot argue with them, they will never accept any reality when they crossed the line of reality just by adopting a hard line support of a Republican as a "daddy" figure. Basically every time you present a fact that happens to be a negative, they dig in make excuses for "daddy" and go on with their blind support. We all need to stop trying to reach them because they truly cannot be reached when they crossed the line into idol worship. Just leave them alone, they are not going to change, they will do what they have always done and vote for the "R" candidate and Republicans are no longer leaders, they know their base will follow blindly, so why bother to lead? 

 
 
 
dennis smith
13.1  dennis smith  replied to  freepress @13    one week ago

Still bitter that Trump soundly defeated Hillary. Time to wake up and see what Americans wanted and voted for. More of the same coming next year so get used to 4 more years with Trump as America's President..

 
 
 
Don Overton
13.1.1  Don Overton  replied to  dennis smith @13.1    6 days ago

You do realize that when Trump loses his re-election he will go straight to prison, don't you. NY has an entire list of his crimes.

 
 
 
MUVA
13.1.2  MUVA  replied to  Don Overton @13.1.1    6 days ago

 
 
 
Kathleen
14  Kathleen    one week ago

Damn that Hurricane!  It just does not go where I tell it too! 

Dorian.....  "I was going to Alabama, but like a woman, I changed my mind"

 
 
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