Do Facts Matter To Trump Supporters?

Bizarro World. 

What is even more bizarre is that forecasts are not facts.  The map everyone is arguing about wasn't a fact; with or without a Sharpie.  None of the maps being shown in the article are facts, they are forecasts.  The only fact displayed on any of the maps was the location of hurricane Dorian on a specific date at a specific time.  

Trump got his degree in climatology where?  Oh that is right, he knows everything.

Trump got his degree in climatology where?  Oh that is right, he knows everything.

Modeled weather predictions are not facts.  Modeled climate predictions are not facts.

Predictions and forecasts are not facts.

People who don't even know what is a fact shouldn't be making accusations about facts.

People who don't even know what is a fact shouldn't be making accusations about facts.

tell that to Trump

The only fact displayed on any of the maps was the location of hurricane Dorian on a specific date at a specific time. 

Au contraire, it displays the level of Trump's narcissism. 

Facts, like truth, don't matter to the right.

Hurricane Dorian updates for Friday, Aug. 30, 2019

Update 11 p.m.:  Hurricane Dorian continued to strengthen rapidly Friday night, swelling into a powerful Category 4 storm as it churned across the Atlantic toward Florida.

But the possibility that Palm Beach County may avoid a direct hit improved in the National Hurricane Center’s 11 p.m  forecast .

The center line of Dorian’s latest projected path has it grazing Brevard County as a Category 3 storm Tuesday night, then veering north off the coast of northeast Florida.

That’s a significant change from Friday morning, when the forecast’s center line pointed squarely at Palm Beach County and meteorologists predicted Dorian would strike as a Category 4 storm.

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Do Facts Matter To Trump Supporters?

No.

The only fake news comes from the administration.

Sad that some are so blinded.

Either point out the fake news in my article, or dont say it again.    Fake news is off topic on this article. 

They drool over every lie out of that piece of shits' mouth

I'm glad you agree that the Anti trumpers drool

Unbelievable. I just read an article about some woman that has attended about 50 trump events.

The die hard trumpie actually said if not for him, she wouldn't know what is going on.

Talk about clueless.

Either point out the fake news in my article,

The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane. No matter how much you spin and sputter it doesn't change the facts.

The sad new is that Anderson "Fake News" Cooper missed out on another chance to stand in a ditch. 

So you are stuck in a time warp. Do you want a medal? 

The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane. No matter how much you spin and sputter it doesn't change the facts.

Yes, the NOAA has affirmed that it could have rained in Alabama on those days. 

My article is not fake news, it is actually a demonstration of how stupid and careless Trump is.   In the sharpie photograph he is shown using a map that was outdated WHEN HE MADE HIS FAMOUS TWEET on Sunday. 

It's a good thing he wasnt president in Oct of 1962 or some of you who are 56 or younger may never have been born. 

The NOAA statement on Friday makes no reference to the fact that when Trump tweeted Alabama was at risk it was not in the National Hurricane Center’s “cone of uncertainty,” which is the zone in which forecasters determine the storm is most likely to track. Alabama had also not appeared in the cone in days prior and no Hurricane Center text product ever mentioned the state.

Trump’s tweet that Alabama would be impacted by the storm gained national spotlight on Wednesday when he presented a modified version of the forecast cone on August 29, extended into Alabama — hand-drawn using a Sharpie. The crudely altered map appeared to represent an effort to retroactively justify the original Alabama tweet.

The doctored map went viral, becoming a source of ridicule among many political pundits and late-night talk show hosts, who accused the President of dishonesty.

In the face of criticism about the modified map, Trump fired off additional tweets on   Wednesday   and   Thursday , insisting Alabama was at risk all along, including presenting a map from August 29 depicting a small possibility that Alabama would see tropical storm force winds.

The map indicated only a five to 20 percent chance of such conditions in parts of Alabama beginning on Monday. However, by the time of President Trump’s tweet on Sept. 1, those odds were down to a 5 percent chance of tropical storm conditions in a sliver of extreme southeastern Alabama.

Ten days ago, computer model predictions did present a scenario in which Dorian would strike Florida, enter the Gulf of Mexico and potentially impact Alabama. However, by Friday, Aug. 29, when the president was briefed by acting NOAA administrator Neil Jacobs, that scenario had become highly unlikely. By Sunday morning, when Trump tweeted about the Alabama threat, no credible computer model showed any risk to the state.

The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast, and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office which NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. “[The Hurricane Center’s] wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a   tweet Friday evening   that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous   tweet   sent out by NOAA management tonight.”

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My article is not fake news,

Okay if you are unhappy with it being accurately cakes fake , I will call it what it really is. It is the biggest load of inconsequential meaningless horse manure waste if space that the world has ever seen. 

Feel better now?

As usual JR you believe what you want to believe....Fake news.

I asked you what is the fake news. A meme of Anderson Cooper is not the answer. 

I asked you what is the fake news.

And I told you. But you would rather worry about sharpiegate and Russia.

A meme of Anderson Cooper is not the answer.

He represents what you feed off of JR.

Donald Trump used an outdated map for both his tweet last Sunday and his defense of that tweet a couple days later. 

You are happy with the POTUS using outdated irrelevant material in his duties? 

My article is far from fake news. 

20 minutes after he posted his dumb ass tweet, the Birminghan ALABAMA office of the national weather service corrected him. Thats another fact. 

In my opinion some Trump supporters wouldnt know a fact if it fell from the sky and conked them on the noggin. 

the Birminghan ALABAMA office of the national weather service corrected him

And then the NOAA corrected them that the projected path they told President Trump substantiated his claim.

The parent agency of the National Weather Service said late Friday that President Trump was correct when he claimed earlier this week that Hurricane Dorian had threatened the state of Alabama.
The surprise announcement in an unsigned statement by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration essentially endorsed Trump's Sunday tweet saying that Alabama will "most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated."

But....but....Trump.

The Weather Service’s mission is to protect life and property. By releasing the statement admonishing the agency for an accurate forecast, NOAA may be seen as putting politics before facts. This could undermine forecasters’ ability to carry out their mission to the point where people may come to see its weather forecasts as political and untrustworthy.

Many meteorologists, recognizing Alabama was at no risk, expressed their ire on Twitter, stating Trump should have instead focused on communicating Dorian’s hazards to the Southeast coast, and dispensed with his preoccupation with Alabama.

James Franklin, the former chief of a prediction unit at the National Hurricane Center, expressed support for the Birmingham Weather Service office which NOAA admonished.

“I thought Birmingham’s statement Sunday morning that Alabama would see no impacts from Dorian was spot-on and an appropriate response to the President’s misleading tweet that morning,” he wrote in an email. “[The Hurricane Center’s] wind-speed-probability product serves as guidance to forecasters, and it showed only a very small likelihood of tropical-storm-force winds in the state, and essentially zero chance of hurricane-force winds.”

He stated: “I am very surprised that NOAA’s statement today seems to not recognize the value its forecasters add every day to NWS products and services.”

Dan Sobien, president of the NWS Employees Union, stated in a   tweet Friday evening   that “The hard-working employees of the NWS had nothing to do with the utterly disgusting and disingenuous   tweet   sent out by NOAA management tonight.”

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The NOAA statement supporting Trump was the sort of thing we used to see in the old Soviet Union. 

KD Michigan, I am going to go slow.   On both Aug 30 and Aug 31, BEFORE Trump made his tweet, the NOAA released projections that showed the hurricane tuning to the north and away from Alabama. 

Yet, in his tweet Trump continued to rely on the outdated projections. We KNOW this because he used one of the outdated maps to defend himself afterward, he even drew on it to try to make his point. 

What I am telling you is as definitive as we can get in this world. 

What I am telling you is as definitive as we can get in this world.

What you can't seem to explain is why anyone should care.

The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane.

No they didn't. Name ONE scientist at NOAA that signed that worthless letter? One. We'll wait. In fact, who actually signed that letter? No one seems to know. 

The whole article, NOAA has stated that at the time of Trumps tweet Alabama was one of the states that could be impacted by the hurricane.

NOAA's Director of Communications sent out that release. Her job before NOAA was on the on the Trump Campaign and Inaugural. The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off at being throw under the bus by her, especially those in Alabama. The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements. 

Sounds about par for the course. 

The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off

Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements.

Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

Well someone sure as hell has to. He's the biggest liar, by far, to ever hold the office. 

Well someone sure as hell has to.

Not publicly they don't. Not on fuckin Twitter, they don't. He's the Commander in Chief FFS. You don't go on Twitter talking about how wrong he is. Even if you want to see it as a civilian matter, no one with two brain cells to rub together takes to Twitter to correct their boss. If you think the boss is fucking up, you go up the chain.

Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

NOAA's Director of Communications sent out that release.

No shit? Wow and here I thought it was someone called NOAA.

Her job before NOAA was on the on the Trump Campaign and Inaugural.

Who gives a shit? 

The actual SCIENTISTS that work at NOAA are pissed off at being throw under the bus by her,

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The WH sent an email directive to NOAA staff warning them NOT to talk about it Trump's tweets and NOT to contradict Trump's statements.

Who cares, Impeach him FFS, He comitted a felony. I would be contacting your representatives daily calling for his impeachment. 

This article itself is fake news.  

Well, they wanted to act patriotically.  Opposing Trump is patriotism. 

I am not going to waste my time. The article is completely accurate. 

[Deleted] and your ridiculous concern over him "standing in a ditch" at a flood.  I showed you a video that he made that shows every part of your belief about that was silly.  He wasnt standing in low ground, the highway where the tv crew was standing was high ground. 

I gave you the video which COMPLETELY debunks your argument about Anderson Cooper and the flooding, and still six months later you are still whining about it?  

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Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

Gee Tacos!, what place would that be?

My understanding is that they are scientists that specialize in weather. Their place is to inform Americans about severe weather and drought. 

Being sycophants to Trump isn't part of their mandate. 

Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

It's their job to disseminate FACTS and to correct FALSE statements that could effect the lives and livelihoods of Americans. If that puts Trump on the side of falsehoods, perhaps it's time for Trump to start telling the fucking truth. 

Who cares

Those of us who still have a sense of what's right, a modicum of respect for our civil servants and a smidgen left of our love of country even though it's lead by Trump. 

Then they are self-important babies who don't know their place in the world.

No, they are scientists who release information that informs people so they can make the right decisions to save their lives. They are NOT politicians tripping over their own dicks to kiss trumps orange fat ass. 

Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

Exhibit A: Donald Trump

Not publicly they don't. Not on fuckin Twitter, they don't.

WHY? Please explain why civil servants that take a 

He's the Commander in Chief FFS.

He's the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, not the scientists that work for the NOAA. 

You don't go on Twitter talking about how wrong he is. Even if you want to see it as a civilian matter, no one with two brain cells to rub together takes to Twitter to correct their boss. If you think the boss is fucking up, you go up the chain.

Utter bullshit. They have a statutory duty to tell the American people the truth. 

Only an asshole who wants to lose his job goes to Twitter as the first step toward correcting a problem at work.

So you propose that the Government employee who TOLD THE TRUTH on twitter should loose their job? Wow. 

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we should eliminate the National Weather service as a federal agency. There is no Constitutional authority for it.

Those of us who still have a sense of what's right, a modicum of respect for our civil servants

Okay I'll accept your beliefs and I understand how you feel about President Trump but do you really think Hillary fulfilled your expectations? Bernie Sanders I can respect because he is straight forward with his ideas. I don't agree with him what so ever though.

There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

Since when IN HELL is a Trump supporter concerned about the "right way" to do things? That's hilarious. 

A thing is either right or wrong John, no matter what the people you don't like might be doing. Like I said, you either get that or you don't. Or you do get it, but your partisan politics won't let you face it.

Exactly right. It's not their job to go fact-checking the president.

What bullshit. It is their job to present the facts - which they do to save lives - not to cover shit up to protect Trump's snowflake ego.

There is a right way to do things. You either get that or you don't.

The 'right way to do things' does NOT include publishing a release to support a FALSE statement by Trump.

NOAA is not a political agency. It's sole purpose is to predict and monitor weather that could have an effect on our country's inhabitants. 

The one that don't 'get it' are the Trump sycophants who think that their job is to support Trump's fantasies no matter how they may effect the country. 

Okay I'll accept your beliefs and I understand how you feel about President Trump but do you really think Hillary fulfilled your expectations? Bernie Sanders I can respect because he is straight forward with his ideas. I don't agree with him what so ever though.

WTF do Clinton or Sanders have to do with this?

Seriously, save the whataboutism.

Address Trump's ACTIONS, stop attempting to use others to excuse them. 

The 'right way to do things' does NOT include publishing a release to support a FALSE statement by Trump.

We're talking about the behavior of someone with Twitter access at NWS and all you can do is sputter "B-b-but . . . Trump!"

Seriously, save the whataboutism.

It's not about whataboutism its about hypocrisy. Something that you demonstrate very well.

So save your faux indignation of President Trumps actions for someone who buys it.

Call your congressperson and let him know President Trump committed a felony and needs to be impeached now before he destroys America with a sharpie...

The inconsequential meaningless horse manure resides in the Oval Office.

We're talking about the behavior of someone with Twitter access at NWS and all you can do is sputter "B-b-but . . . Trump!"

Trump is the predicate for the topic of the seed. 

The person that put out the NWS twitter message TOLD THE TRUTH. You seem to have an issue with scientific facts. Why? 

It's not about whataboutism its about hypocrisy.

Nope. 'Ya I know how you feel about Trump but whatabout Clinton.' Whataboutism.  

Something that you demonstrate very well.

Personal attacks are all you've got I see. 

So save your faux indignation of President Trumps actions for someone who buys it.

It should come to no surprise to you that I could not care less what you buy. 

Call your congressperson and let him know President Trump committed a felony and needs to be impeached now before he destroys America with a sharpie...

Thank you so much for your guidance and intelligent recommendations. /s

You seem to have an issue with scientific facts.

If that's what you think, then your reading comprehension sucks. Maybe that's your issue. I have said over and over that I had a problem with the process, not the content of the thought. I didn't say anything about whether or not the tweeter was correct. I have said repeatedly that the way he/she went about it was inappropriate.

Phrases in my comments like "We're talking about the behavior," "There is a right way to do things," "You don't go on Twitter," and "you go up the chain" are fundamental clues to the nature of the conversation.

 I have said over and over that I had a problem with the process, not the content of the thought. I have said repeatedly that the way he/she went about it was inappropriate.

What do you suggest they should have done, ask Trump to correct his statement?

This is what they posted:

"Alabama will NOT see any impacts from #Dorian. We repeat, no impacts from Hurricane #Dorian will be felt across Alabama. The system will remain too far east. #alwx."

The 'Acting' Chief Scientist of NOAA  has a process with the process too. 

Here is what he said today:

A Message from Craig McLean: Hurricane Dorian and Exceptional Service
Dear Colleagues,
The fierce storm we know as Hurricane Dorian has concluded its ferocious path through the Bahamas and along the U.S. East Coast. Many of you have contributed to the excellent science that has underpinned the forecasts and current understanding of storms such as this one, which accelerated quite rapidly in intensity. The storm also presented challenges in track which improved with enhanced observations. We know that our collective work, from the scientists in the aircraft penetrating the storm, to the scientists deploying the glider picket line, to the modelers and folks working the physics of the storms, across OAR and in our CI's, and across all NOAA Lines, we are working the problem in order to give the NWS forecasters the best tools we possibly can to keep America and our neighbors safe. Thank you. 

During the course of the storm, as I am sure you are aware, there were routine and exceptional expert forecasts, the best possible, issued by the NWS Forecasters. These are remarkable colleagues of ours, who receive our products, use them well, and provide the benefit of their own experience in announcing accurate forecasts accompanied by the distinction of all credible scientists—they sign their work. As I'm sure you also know, there was a complex issue involving the President commenting on the path of the hurricane. The NWS Forecaster(s) corrected any public misunderstanding in an expert and timely way, as they should. There followed, last Friday, an unsigned press release from "NOAA" that inappropriately and incorrectly contradicted the NWS forecaster. My understanding is that this intervention to contradict the forecaster was not based on science but on external factors including reputation and appearance, or simply put, political. Our NOAA Scientific Integrity Policy and Code of Scientific Conduct make clear that all NOAA employees shall approach all scientific activities with honesty, objectively, and completely, without allegiance to individuals, organizations, or ideology. The content of this press release is very concerning as it compromises the ability of NOAA to convey life-saving information necessary to avoid substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. If the public cannot trust our information, or we debase our forecaster's warnings and products, that specific danger arises. 

You know that the value of our science is in the complexity of our understanding, our ability to convey that understanding to a wide audience of users of this information, and to establish and sustain the public trust in the truth and legitimacy of that information. Unfortunately, the press release of last Friday violated this trust and violated NOAA's policies of scientific integrity. In my role as Assistant Administrator for Research, and as I continue to administratively serve as Acting Chief Scientist, I am pursuing the potential violations of our NOAA Administrative Order on Scientific Integrity. Thankfully, we have such policies that are independently cited as among the best in the federal community, if not the best. Your NOAA and OAR management and leadership team believes in these policies and principles. I have a responsibility to pursue these truths. I will.

Thank you for your continued excellent work, and your trust. Carry on.

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What do you suggest they should have done, ask Trump to correct his statement?

That would be one thing they could have done. They also could have asked him why he was saying what he was saying. Maybe he had a good reason. You laugh at these suggestions, but I see them as basic good manners.

That would be one thing they could have done. They also could have asked him why he was saying what he was saying. Maybe he had a good reason. You laugh at these suggestions, but I see them as basic good manners.

Basic good manners with Trump? Hilarious. 

Cite ONE TIME that Trump has admitted he was wrong, mistaken, made a mistake, misspoke? Just ONE. 

Oh and BTFW, Trump has had a week to 'clarify' why he said what he did. None of his excuses are credible. 

Basic good manners with Trump? Hilarious.

Again, we aren't talking about Trump's behavior. We're talking about the manners of whoever tweeted to correct him. Someone who actually values good manners doesn't depend on the behavior of others to control how they themselves behave. To believe otherwise would be to justify all manner of abhorrent behavior - police brutality, for example.

If we base our willingness to behave like civilized people on the behavior of others, then cops would be free to beat up everyone they arrest. Or internationally, we should just go ahead and carpet bomb countries like Iran or North Korea because after all, they would be happy to do the same to us or someone else. I don't know if that's the kind of world you want to live in, but it's not how I choose to live.

Again, we aren't talking about Trump's behavior. We're talking about the manners of whoever tweeted to correct him.

We ARE talking about Trump's behavior since that is what predicated the tweet went out to correct his FALSE statement. 

Someone who actually values good manners doesn't depend on the behavior of others to control how they themselves behave. 

Someone who has a statutory mandate to disseminate FACTUAL weather warnings doesn't worry about whether it's 'good manners' to correct the FALSE statement by the Narcissist in Chief. 

To believe otherwise would be to justify all manner of abhorrent behavior - police brutality, for example. If we base our willingness to behave like civilized people on the behavior of others, then cops would be free to beat up everyone they arrest. Or internationally, we should just go ahead and carpet bomb countries like Iran or North Korea because after all, they would be happy to do the same to us or someone else. I don't know if that's the kind of world you want to live in, but it's not how I choose to live.

Argle-bargle.

You kiss his picture first?

Please supply the entire NOAA correction because you undoubtedly missed a lot

Actually it is but then knowing how the government works is not one of your abilities I would surmise 

Wow, what an ignorant comment

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And you  do?  That's a big laugh

Then you obviously don't "get it".

Only alternative facts matter, real facts not so much...real facts to deporables is akin to putting salt on a slug

real facts to deporables is akin to putting salt on a slug

Then they eat the slug because Trump would say it tastes like chicken. 

Bold call after two years of  “Russian collusion.”

just pretend the left didn’t just make up a conspiracy between trump and Putin...

I think Trump's Sunday tweet is somewhat understandable since he simply doesnt care about his own personal accuracy on things. He wants to hype. It is a little surprising that he didnt include 10 or 15 states in his personal hurricane disaster warning. 

However, his using a map that was outdated WHEN he made the tweet, to defend himself later,  is inexplicable other than for the fact he is an idiot. 

It's all he's got!

It's all he's got!

Trump's stupidities and lies are a bottomless well.  

How many more days are you going waste on this silly story.

Ask trump, he tweeted about it this morning. 

this silly story

Trump committed a felony. How is that silly? Lock him up!

No matter how many times leftist repeat a lie, it won’t make it true

Trump has not committed any crimes.  If you leftists really believe that why hasn’t the Democrat controlled House initiated formal impeachment?

No matter how many times leftist repeat a lie, it won’t make it true

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If you leftists really believe that why hasn’t the Democrat controlled House initiated formal impeachment?

They should, just for the principle. But it would ultimately be a waste of effort and resources. It would never get to a Senate vote much less pass one.

It’s all political theater.   the Democrat leadership knows Trump hasn’t committed any impeachable offense.  

They are simply engaged in this in the hope of weakening his re-election odds.

The Mueller report shows that he committed obstruction of justice several times. That's not only impeachable its criminal.

And yet he is still POTUS and not being impeached. Says volumes for the BS you are swallowing up from the Dem politicians.

No, it says voluminous VOLUMES about how the GOP has been so perverted, that even knowing what they doabout this POS potUS, they would not vote in the Senateto impeach !

Right there, is the reason impeachment has yet to be moved forward by Pelosi, and it's a damn shame, thatyou, that U canot see

this, and so much more. 

Hell the Dems don't need to do anything to weaken his re-election odds, he does that all by himself with lots of help from the GOP

The real issue is about the people who accept this and try to normalize it. 

Accept what exactly? That in addition to the people in Florida, Georgia, and the Carolinas he was also concerned that people in Alabama stay safe and alert?

I guess you're right. Being concerned for the safety of his fellow Americans is pretty twisted. IMPEACH!

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Some things are hopeless. 

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What do you find so out of bounds about all this? It's not as if he said Alaska could be impacted by the hurricane.

And it's also not as if hurricanes care about state borders or the latest forecast. This hurricane, in particular, has been difficult to forecast. There have been several news stories to that effect. The forecasts have changed almost hourly. When it stalled for so long - moving at 1 mph - that was completely unexpected. 

People in the potential paths of this storm were being warned about it a whole week or more in advance of its potential landfall. When it slowed down and started to turn, it actually increased in size - something else that wasn't predicted. An unpredictable storm makes a stop or a turn and you want to stop warning a whole state that had previously been part of the warnings? And this, while the storm grows larger. Why?

He wasn't telling anyone to evacuate or anything like that. There was literally nothing but concern and caution in what he was doing. He was erring on the side of extra caution and you - for some inexplicable reason - have a major problem with that. 

I think Trump's sentiment , in isolation, is just someone playing the big shot.  He is known to be grandiose and the bigger the hurricane the more he can seem in his own mind to be important to it. 

There is no problem with him warning people. There is more of a problem in the fact that he was using a map that was not up to date. There is no question that when he tweeted on Sunday morning the national hurricane center had changed the projected path of the storm. The Saturday evening projection had the hurricane missing Alabama totally by a margin of at least 100 miles. 

There is no reason for the president to be uninformed like that.  Then he compounds it by trotting out an outdated map on Wednesday that he had drawn on with a magic marker. 

I have no idea why you defend this stuff. 

someone playing the big shot

He is the President of the United States. That kind of makes him a "big shot" whether you like it or not. But even if you think he's prone to making things all about him, how does acknowledging Alabama as a place to be alert and safe accomplish that? 

There is more of a problem in the fact that he was using a map that was not up to date.

Why is that a problem? Furthermore, what is the likelihood that the President of the United States had anything to do with the production of a visual aid? Why would anyone as self-important as you say stoop to putting his thoughts and energy into a job some assistant to an assistant probably gave to an intern?

the national hurricane center had changed the projected path of the storm

Do you understand that a hurricane is hundreds of miles across? The hurricane center is only forecasting the path of the eye of the hurricane. The eye is maybe a couple dozen miles across. The rain, wind, and flooding it causes propagates for hundreds of miles in all directions. In fact, it doesn't even need to rain in a town for that town to see flooding downriver from a place where it did rain.

So, even though technically, this hurricane never made landfall in Florida, it would be foolish to say that it didn't do anything to Florida. 

There is no reason for the president to be uninformed like that

He's not a weather man. He's the president. Other people brief him on the storm. It's like that for any president. He can only go with what he's told. If he was told the storm could impact Alabama, he is in no position to argue the point. He just passes the information along. Thus:

NOAA Contradicts Weather Service, Backs Trump On Hurricane Threat In Alabama

The parent agency of the National Weather Service said late Friday that President Trump was correct when he claimed earlier this week that Hurricane Dorian had threatened the state of Alabama.

We could quibble about details, of course, like this:

one National Hurricane Center map showed that Alabama could see tropical-force, not hurricane-class winds.

Like it or not, that is still the effect of the hurricane. It's not hurricane force winds, but it is hurricane caused weather, and tropical-force winds can still do plenty of damage.

The map of Aug 31st shows the outer reaches of the hurricanes path missing Alabama by at least 100 miles. 

You often seem to be the most dedicated defender of Trump on this site, even to the point of your ignoring the obvious. I guess thats your problem, I kind of give up. 

I kind of give up

Your comment is completely unresponsive to any of the points I made, so I guess I give up. You're angry over nothing.

Actually, I have been extremely clear on this seed. 

The problem is that you think the president of the United States passing off old stale information is fine, and then ludicrously and clownishly attempting to get over on people by altering a map is fine.  This is all your problem as a constant Trump defender, no one else's. 

No one cares what John Oliver or Rolling Stone has to say about pretty much anything.

I''m sure you don't but many do but they don't kowtow to him all day and all night and dream about him in their dreams

Dorian was headed for Alabahama !

Let's all just sit down and have a beer over it...

We can invite the media to take pictures!

Facts never matter when the Republican base will vote without question for any white guy Republicans throw out there. He is male, he is white, he becomes their idol, they will adopt him as their "daddy" and will hear nothing bad about him no matter how bad the truth really is. Every single time anyone points out a fact that is true but displays their adopted "daddy" figure in a bad light, they attack the messenger. You cannot argue with them, they will never accept any reality when they crossed the line of reality just by adopting a hard line support of a Republican as a "daddy" figure. Basically every time you present a fact that happens to be a negative, they dig in make excuses for "daddy" and go on with their blind support. We all need to stop trying to reach them because they truly cannot be reached when they crossed the line into idol worship. Just leave them alone, they are not going to change, they will do what they have always done and vote for the "R" candidate and Republicans are no longer leaders, they know their base will follow blindly, so why bother to lead?