Americans Support For Impeachment Hearings (And Removal of Trump) Has Exploded (Up) In The Past Few Weeks

  
By:  john-russell  •  2 months ago  •  251 comments

Americans Support For Impeachment Hearings (And Removal of Trump) Has Exploded (Up) In The Past Few Weeks

For months support for the impeachment of Donald Trump pitter- pattered along, without an impetus from congressional leadership or a consensus by major media. Trump had committed numerous impeachable offenses throughout his term, but the idea never quite caught on in a large way. 

Then Trump went the proverbial "bridge too far" when he asked the president of a foreign country to discredit Trump's  main election rival for 2020. (Again, some try to say that Biden is not Trump's main rival, but facts and common sense do not bear this interpretation out. Biden has beat Trump in every poll since Biden announced his candidacy, and Trump knows it).

Since the news of Trump trying to get a foreign country to "meddle" in the US presidential election by investigating one of the candidates, support for impeachment hearings, and even the removal of trump from the presidency, has skyrocketed. 


Previous Post-Schar School or Post-ABC News polls taken at different points throughout this year found majorities of Americans opposing the start of an impeachment proceeding, with 37 percent to 41 percent saying they favored such a step. The recent revelations appear to have prompted many Americans to rethink their position.

The poll finds that, by a margin of 58 percent to 38 percent, Americans say the House was correct to undertake the inquiry. Among all adults, 49 percent say the House should take the more significant step to impeach the president and call for his removal from office.

... The findings indicate that public opinion has shifted quickly against the president and in favor of impeachment proceedings in recent weeks as information has been released about Trump’s efforts to pressure Ukrainian government officials to undertake an investigation into former vice president Joe Biden, a potential 2020 campaign rival, and Biden’s son Hunter.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-majority-of-americans-say-they-endorse-opening-of-house-impeachment-inquiry-of-trump/2019/10/07/be9e0af6-e936-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html

Support for impeachment has risen 20 points in the past few weeks, and now half also want his fat ass out of there. The ball is rolling. 


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

A few more moves like alienating some of his conservative support by cozying up to dictators such as the one in Turkey , and the nails will start going into Trump's political coffin. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

yea, saw a few poles go up, like a teenager with a Penthouse, they are rising.

The blood of our Kurdish allies will be on the GOP

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1    2 months ago

The blood of our Kurdish allies will be on the GOP

I doubt that they will notice.  They sure as hell won't take responsibility.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.2  WallyW  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    2 months ago

What vital or strategic interests do we have there?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.3  KDMichigan  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.1    2 months ago
They sure as hell won't take responsibility.

Ah yes because when the previous administration did it the Left cried that Obama was setting the Kurds up to be slaughtered. I remember that vividly./s

The Kurds have been being used and abused by the US for 50 years and I bet they continue to do it. The Kurds also use us to further there goals of a Kurdish state.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.3    2 months ago

My memory has this KD....

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/08/11/obama-iraq-kurds-militants-air-strikes/13885525/

Obama Administration supporting the Kurds.

Have you got something to counter that?  Please post it so I can take a look.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  WallyW @1.1.2    2 months ago

Oh I don't know..... how about working to defeat ISIS.  You remember them don't you?

How about having in the Kurds as another ally in the region like Israel.  That would be good too don't you think.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.1.6  WallyW  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    2 months ago

For the next 100 years?

Some conflicts are simply not "winnable"

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    2 months ago
How about having in the Kurds as another ally in the region like Israel.

Israel is a nation.   The Kurds are not.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  WallyW @1.1.6    2 months ago
For the next 100 years? Some conflicts are simply not "winnable"

Are you speaking of those conflicts that have essentially been going on for thousands of years?  Those conflicts?

Ethnic differences, economic differences, religious differences, political differences geographic differences and the list goes on and on. 

What could be easier to overcome than those minor challenges? //S//

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.9  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.7    2 months ago
The Kurds are not.

Even if the Kurds did have their own nation - which is a whole other issue - would that really change things?

As you mentioned below, all those other differences would still be in play.

Whoever thought creating a bunch of random countries out of a bunch of tribes that have been warring with each other for thousands of years was a good idea ...

Honestly, I have no clue what the right answer is. I can't pretend to understand the tribal mentality, the idea of a Holy Land, or all kinds of other things that those people live with. If we had just stayed the hell out of there in the first place, at least we wouldn't be stuck with these dilemmas, but it's too late for that. And for all I know, that would have backfired on us. No real good options that I can see.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.7    2 months ago

Does that not make them allies? Over 60,000 troops fighting back ISIS while we had 400 troops. Who was doing our heavy lifting?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.10    2 months ago
Does that not make them allies?

They were fighting an entity that they also despised.  We were actually assisting them.  

And while the sentiment of them being "allies" is nice, we have NATIONS as allies, not an ethnic group.  

I've always maintained that Bush made the greatest blunder when he re-invaded Iraq.  Hussein was boxed in.  The Iranians were on his eastern flank, we controlled the southern third of the country with our no fly zone, he had a frenemy on his western flank in Syria and the Kurds controlled the northern third of Iraq.

We should have maintained that status quo and using time and pressure, forced the formation of a Kurdish state in the north of what was then Iraq.  Had we done that, there never would have been an ISIS to contend with and we could have formed an alliance with the new nation of Kurdistan. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.12  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @1.1.9    2 months ago
Whoever thought creating a bunch of random countries out of a bunch of tribes that have been warring with each other for thousands of years was a good idea ...

You'll need to speak with the British and other European countries about that.  Maybe while you're at it, ask them the thought process behind India and Pakistan.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.7    2 months ago

Carving a new Kurdistan state out of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran will create more anti US terrorists.

It will create a new state that the US must prop up the existence of financially, militarily, and in the UN.

Just what we need two land based air craft carriers in the exact same region to support and give us constant black eyes.

 
 
 
Ronin2
1.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.4    2 months ago

The US was invited back into Iraq (which we should have declined) to assist on the War with ISIS/ISIL. 

You know who else we supported with those air strikes? Iranian militia groups that came flooding in, and are still there. The Iraqi government is loyal to Iran.

How asinine is it that we are in a very cold war with Iran over nuclear weapons and terrorism; but we are supporting in Iraq; while fighting them in Syria?

Now as for Syria. Obama never should have gone in to begin with. His war on terror BS in an effort to oust Assad. Russia, China, and Iran are now entrenched in Syria. What the hell did he think would happen? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.13    2 months ago
Carving a new Kurdistan state out of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran will create more anti US terrorists.

Actually, there very likely would have been more than sufficient area for them in Northern Iraq and possibly a small piece of Syria if that was even needed.  They didn't want massive areas, they simply wanted their own place to call home not controlled by others that effectively hated them for being nothing more than Kurds.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.16  XDm9mm  replied to  Ronin2 @1.1.14    2 months ago
What the hell did he think would happen? 

The operative word is think....  he didn't.  And then when he did go in, he drew red lines in the sand that blew away with the first dust devil that popped up.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.17  Greg Jones  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.8    2 months ago

These regional conflicts have gone on for hundreds of years. Even the Russians ended up getting tossed out of Afghanistan, yet we are still there. It's insane

And yet the left wingers are saying these "minor challenges" are easier to overcome? Let the fukin locals sort it all out. It's not in our best interests to keep a presence.there.

 
 
 
katrix
1.1.18  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.12    2 months ago
You'll need to speak with the British and other European countries about that.  Maybe while you're at it, ask them the thought process behind India and Pakistan.

Oh yeah, I forgot about what they did regarding India and Pakistan. Another brilliant move that is still haunting the world.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @1.1.18    2 months ago
Oh yeah, I forgot about what they did regarding India and Pakistan. Another brilliant move that is still haunting the world.

Why then does the world want to leave fixing their fuckups to The United States of America?  They broke the shit out of it, let them fix it.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.20  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.1.11    2 months ago

Agree to that.  When W disbanded the Republican Guard, they had the foundlings of ISIS.  The no fly zone was working! 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.1.21  KDMichigan  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.4    2 months ago
Have you got something to counter that? 

No problem.

We did support the Syrian Kurds. With the benefit of American air power Kurdish ground troops proved to be remarkably effective in rolling back Islamic State forces. When those same Kurdish forces crossed to the western bank of the Euphrates and stoked Turkish fears that a semi-autonomous Kurdish state was being born along their southern border, the Obama administration gave in to Turkish pressure to halt air support for Kurdish forces west of the Euphrates. Days later, ostensibly on the pretext of using their air power to attack Islamic State militants, we stood by and watched Turkish air forces attack the very same Kurdish forces we had been supporting.

It is quite a lengthy article but I remembered Obama abandoning the Kurds a few times.

What was his policy towards the Kurds after we pulled out of Iraq? 

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/a-legacy-of-failure-obama_b_8324094

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.22  MUVA  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1.21    2 months ago

Doesn't matter I hate Trump.jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.23  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.20    2 months ago

The 6 to 7 thousand foreign fighters also formed part of ISIS.  

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.24  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.20    2 months ago
 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.25  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.4    2 months ago

Did you when Saddam was gassing them before the Iraq war?

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.26  Dulay  replied to  katrix @1.1.9    2 months ago
Whoever thought creating a bunch of random countries out of a bunch of tribes that have been warring with each other for thousands of years was a good idea ...

Check out Gertrude Bell...

 
 
 
WallyW
1.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/10/07/five-takeaways-from-early-polls-on-impeachment/

From the article.....

Finally: At this point, few Americans believe that President Trump will be removed from office by a Senate vote on article of impeachment, and many wonder whether it is worth the effort. A USA Today/Ipsos poll found that only 15% of the respondents—and just 9% of Independents—believe that he will be removed in this manner. Even Democrats are not very confident: just 25% think that the impeachment process will lead to a successful outcome. An NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 49% of Americans, and 52% of Independents, don’t think it’s worth it for House Democrats to vote to impeach Mr. Trump if the Senate Republicans will not vote to convict him.

In short, although the past two weeks have shifted the political terrain on which the combatants stand, the Democrats continue to face high odds against succeeding, and there is no guarantee that a failed effort to remove the president from office will serve their electoral interests in the coming election.

 
 
 
katrix
1.3.1  katrix  replied to  WallyW @1.3    2 months ago

1) I believe Trump most likely deserves to be impeached, although I'm sure more evidence is yet to come out. Therefore the Dems probably really didn't have any choice at this point; Trump was just too blatant. Even the GOP is calling him out on this.

2) I don't believe Trump will be removed from office - I don't think Congress could get its act together enough to remove any president from office these days, any more than they removed Clinton after he was impeached. Trump would probably have a better chance of being removed, since lying about an affair isn't as bad as trying to get foreign governments to interfere in a US election, but I still don't see it happening.

3) I have very mixed feelings about this. I think it's a waste of time in the long run, since it will amount to nothing but a public censure which will have no impact on a person like Trump, who has no shame. On the other hand - it's Congress' job and Trump basically forced them to do it. McConnell apparently urged Trump to release that transcript, and he's neither stupid nor a supporter of transparency for his own party - did he do it to try to throw Trump under the bus in a way that wouldn't come back to bite McConnell, did he do it to force the Democrats' hand on impeachment, or is he really dumb enough to think there was nothing bad in the transcript?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  katrix @1.3.1    2 months ago
McConnell apparently urged Trump to release that transcript, and he's neither stupid nor a supporter of transparency for his own party - did he do it to try to throw Trump under the bus in a way that wouldn't come back to bite McConnell,

If Trump loses the election next year, I would expect McConnell to lose his majority leader job in the Senate as well. It will be a housecleaning.  Trump and McConnell's fates are tied together at this point. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    2 months ago

The average hard working tax paying Americans don't give a crap about who Trump called on a supposedly secure phone, and a large majority of them do not an impeachment based upon trumped up political allegations. The Dems will start regret ever starting this clown show.

 
 
 
katrix
1.3.4  katrix  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.3    2 months ago
The average hard working tax paying Americans don't give a crap about who Trump called on a supposedly secure phone

You certainly don't think much of your average fellow Americans, if you think they don't give a crap about a president inviting foreign interference in a US election. Now, if you had substituted "Republicans" - the majority of Republicans clearly don't care about our system of government or what Trump is doing to it, because of partisanship.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.3.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.3    2 months ago
The average hard working tax paying Americans don't give a crap about who Trump called on a supposedly secure phone,

Exactly why the framers instituted a representative form of government (to protect us from ourselves) with three co-equal branches (to protect us from abuse within). And lo and behold, it is working. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.3    2 months ago

tRump has never had a secure phone.  Funny you would bring that up.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

Even his biggest backer, the ass kissing Moscow Mitch, is now at odds with him.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.4    2 months ago

Not when push comes to shove about something really important, which this pullout isn't.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.4.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.1    2 months ago

The important thing is that Mitch would even publicly rebuke Trump.  But I suspect that MM will do a turn about and cower before his boss once again.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.4.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.1    2 months ago

The possible deaths of literally thousands isn't really important?  Wow.  Seriously?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    2 months ago

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jungkonservativ111
2  jungkonservativ111    2 months ago

No quid pro quo

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3  jungkonservativ111    2 months ago

So the media constantly attacks our President and it has an affect on the poles. Big shocker.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3    2 months ago

I suppose you think they attack him for no reason.  Amazing. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 months ago

I haven't seen one yet

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.1    2 months ago

Your comment speaks for itself.

People like you are why I dont bother trying to convince Trumpsters to change. 

The rest of us simply have to beat them at the ballot box. 

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.3  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 months ago

At this point, why not just wait a few more months and vote him out?

After all, the Dems  have some awesome candidates

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JohnRussell
3.1.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @3.1.3    2 months ago
At this point, why not just wait a few more months and vote him out?

Trump is not fit for office.  He should be removed asap. 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
3.1.5  jungkonservativ111  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.2    2 months ago

So then this article is like a TDS support group or something?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.5    2 months ago

There is no such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome, any more than there could ever be a Benedict Arnold Derangement Syndrome, or a Bernie Madoff Derangement Syndrome. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.7  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.6    2 months ago
There is no such thing as Trump Derangement Syndrome

I disagree. People with TDS put Trump over their country, have zero patriotism, and will never let themselves believe that Trump has done a single thing wrong. They believe that no Republican should ever be investigated for anything, and that no evidence against any Republicans should be given any credit.

They think liberals, on the other hand, should be locked up without due process, even after investigations have been conducted which found no criminal wrongdoing. Their lives (as some in here have attested to) are spent trying to piss off liberals; that's the only thing that brings them joy, which explains why they're such miserable fucks most of the time.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  katrix @3.1.7    2 months ago

You've convinced me. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @3.1.7    2 months ago

we have no idea what you are talking about

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.10  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1.4    2 months ago

Trump is not fit for office.  He should be removed asap. 

Running that through the translator....

means the left realizes they can't beat Trump at the ballot box

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.11  WallyW  replied to  katrix @3.1.7    2 months ago

They think liberals, on the other hand, should be locked up without due process, even after investigations have been conducted which found no criminal wrongdoing.

Oh, please tell us all about due process and  presumption of innocence, as experienced by Kavanaugh, with NO credible evidence.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.1    2 months ago

You won't find any if all you read is the funny pages and sport's scores.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.5    2 months ago

TDS - Trump's derranged supporters.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
3.1.14  livefreeordie  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    2 months ago

they definitely have a reason.  The MSM have been the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party for the past 50 years.

 
 
 
WallyW
3.1.15  WallyW  replied to  livefreeordie @3.1.14    2 months ago

It appears the left wing is willing to fall upon their swords

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-democrats-willing-to-risk-2020-chances-to-impeach-trump-reuters-ipsos-poll/ar-AAItYfR?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

"According to the poll, two out of three Democrats also said that Congress should pursue impeachment, "even if that means they will need to postpone efforts to pass laws that could benefit me."

And 55% of Democrats said that their party leaders should press ahead with impeachment even "if it means a lengthy and expensive process that could weaken their chances of winning the presidency in 2020"

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.1.16  Raven Wing  replied to  WallyW @3.1.15    2 months ago
It appears the left wing is willing to fall upon their swords

It seems that it is the Republicans who are willing to fall upon their swords when they continue to rabidly support the person who is doing all he can to bring shame and loss of credibility to America, and its people. 

America was once a very highly respected country, one our allies could depend on in the time of need.

Trump, in the space of less than one term, has made America a fool before the entire world. And brags about his "unmatched wisdom".

JMOO

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3.1.1    2 months ago

Of course not.  Kool Aid toxicity often results in myopia.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3    2 months ago

has an affect on the poles

Would those be tent or telephone poles?

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3  MrFrost  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @3    2 months ago
poles.

POLLS... 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    2 months ago

They should start an impeachment inquiry then. Whats the holdup?

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1  cjcold  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 months ago

They already have. The holdup is that the GOP is refusing to cooperate and turn over documents.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.1  katrix  replied to  cjcold @4.1    2 months ago

Yep, the GOP keeps breaking the law by refusing to turn this stuff over that has been subpoenaed, and ordering Republicans not to testify to Congress - which, btw, happens to be charged with oversight of the executive branch.

You'd almost think they were afraid of what would come out if they were honest and transparent!

Party before country- fucking traitors. They've got their noses so far up in Trump's rectum that they couldn't smell patriotism if it hit them in the face, which hopefully it will.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.2  MUVA  replied to  katrix @4.1.1    2 months ago

What has been subpoenaed?

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.3  katrix  replied to  MUVA @4.1.2    2 months ago

Read the news. If you honestly don't know, then you shouldn't be commenting on the impeachment inquiry in the first place.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  cjcold @4.1    2 months ago

Oh. When was the vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  katrix @4.1.3    2 months ago
n the impeachment inquiry 

What subpoenas? What impeachment inquiry? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.5    2 months ago

It's …… " Formal Impeachment Enquiry" now. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

What they've been doing, trying and saying for the last 3 years was just "Informal"….apparently. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

Democrats/Lefties only have to say it , for it to be truly heartfelt and important ! jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MUVA @4.1.2    2 months ago

What has been subpoenaed?

all you are doing is seeing if you can get a rise out of some with plain and simple, \

"Gee, Tennessee, i wonder what Mr. Whoppi is doin "

 
 
 
evilgenius
4.1.8  evilgenius  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    2 months ago
When was the vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry?

I see you got the talking points memo too. Nice!

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    2 months ago

Oh. When was the vote to authorize an impeachment inquiry?

Not required. There is nothing in the constitution that says a vote is required. 

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.10  WallyW  replied to  katrix @4.1.1    2 months ago

Not breaking the law. There has to be a formal vote to impeach first. The Dems are afraid to go on record

 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.11  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    2 months ago

Nothing in there about turning over documents or testifying, either.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    2 months ago
There is nothing in the constitution that says a vote is required. 

For an Enquiry no.

Once the silly …. now "Formal Enquiry" (after 3 years of Informal enquiry) jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif is complete....whenever that's gonna happen jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg , a vote IS NEEDED !

Impeachment Procedure:

At the federal level, the impeachment process is a three-step procedure. 

First , the Congress investigates. This investigation typically begins in the House Judiciary Committee, but may begin elsewhere. For example, the Nixon impeachment inquiry began in the Senate Judiciary Committee. The facts that led to impeachment of Bill Clinton were first discovered in the course of an investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr.

Second , the House of Representatives must pass, by a simple majority of those present and voting, articles of impeachment, which constitute the formal allegation or allegations. Upon passage, the defendant has been "impeached".

Third , the Senate tries the accused. In the case of the impeachment of a president, the Chief Justice of the United States presides over the proceedings. For the impeachment of any other official, the Constitution is silent on who shall preside, suggesting that this role falls to the Senate's usual presiding officer, the President of the Senate who is also the Vice President of the United States. Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds supermajority vote. The result of conviction is removal from office.

So these Lefty Folks that think Trump is being impeached now, when Nancy came out saying it's now a "Formal Enquiry", they are idiots plain and simple !

It's the "Second" part of "Impeachment" that normal folks will be looking at, unlike the Uber children jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif that think Trump is being impeached now. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Democrats aren't REALLY gonna go quick on this. They want this Sham to drag on to the 2020 election hours

, hoping that will give them a win ! jrSmiley_11_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.13  MUVA  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    2 months ago

If they don’t vote then the president doesn’t get his full rights.

 
 
 
Snuffy
4.1.14  Snuffy  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.9    2 months ago

correct, nothing in the constitution states that a vote is required.  However the House rules have run that way and the last two impeachment investigations prior has been started with a formal vote on the floor to approve the investigation. Without that vote, the House is running the investigation by statute and the Executive branch also has statute's to protect itself. The Democrats are screaming that failure to follow their subpoena request is obstruction of justice however that will end up going to court and according to Dershoitz they may very well lose that court fight.

The subpoena rules change if the House formally votes and approves the impeachment investigation but until they actually vote they are running under statute and the rules are there to protect both branches of government from abuse.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.15  MUVA  replied to  katrix @4.1.3    2 months ago

Just post what has been subpoenaed if you know.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @4.1.11    2 months ago

Nothing in there about turning over documents or testifying, either.

Actually, refusing to turn over documents that are legally requested is obstruction of justice. You are incorrect. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  MUVA @4.1.13    2 months ago

If they don’t vote then the president doesn’t get his full rights.

There is still nothing in the constitution requiring a vote. Sorry. 

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.18  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @4.1.1    2 months ago

There is NO law that requires the executive branch to honor these demands.

There is NO Constitutional Authority for Congressional Oversight of the Executive Branch

If a claim is made that it's because they are co-equal branches, then it must be applied equally and the Executive Branch can investigate the Legislative or Judicial Branches. It doubt even the left will ever desire that equality of power.

Patriotism is standing up against the statist tyranny of the Democrats

“The theory of oversight responsibility in entirely the creation of the judicial branch and is not found anywhere within the four corners of the Constitution. Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution spells out the affirmative powers of Congress, mostly in rather restrictive, finite terms. Congress can borrow money. Congress can establish Post Offices. Congress can punish piracy. Congress can declare war. That sort of stuff. Nothing remotely close to oversight.”

As explained by two Constitutional Lawyers

“Congressional demands for information must be grounded in proper constitutional powers. Congress does not have general investigative authority, let alone a mandate to enforce federal law, both of which are vested in the president. Nor does it have adjudicative power, which is reserved to the judiciary. Its proper investigative power is broad but limited to the purposes of legislation or oversight. And Congress’s oversight powers can be exerted only over matters that plausibly can be reached through the exercise of congressional legislative powers.”

David B. Rivkin Jr. and Lee A. Casey practice appellate and constitutional law in Washington. They served in the White House Counsel’s Office and the Department of Justice under former Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush.”

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1.19  r.t..b...  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.18    2 months ago
Patriotism is standing up against the statist tyranny of the Democrats

True patriotism does not require a partisan epithet to recognize the threat to all you purport to hold dear. You sir, are a Tory.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.20  Ender  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.18    2 months ago
The Constitution says nothing about congressional investigations and oversight, but the authority to conduct investigations is implied since Congress possesses “all legislative powers.” The Supreme Court determined that the framers intended for Congress to seek out information when crafting or reviewing legislation. George Mason of Virginia said at the Federal Convention that Members of Congress “are not only Legislators but they possess inquisitorial powers. They must meet frequently to inspect the Conduct of the public offices.”
The constitutional framers assumed that Congress would conduct investigations as the British House of Commons conducted them. James Wilson of Pennsylvania, a future Supreme Court Justice and Convention delegate, wrote in a 1774 essay that members of the Commons were considered “grand inquisitors of the realm. The proudest ministers of the proudest monarchs have trembled at their censures; and have appeared at the bar of the house, to give an account of their conduct, and ask pardon for their faults.” When the U.S. House convened in 1789, it established an early set of select committees, such as Rules and Ways and Means, to structure the legislative process including investigations.

Wait there's more...

The House used its investigatory privileges in the  First Congress  (1789–1791).  Robert Morris  of Pennsylvania, the superintendent of finances during the Continental Congress and a financier of the American Revolution, asked Congress in 1790 to investigate his handling of the country’s finances in order to clear his name of potential impropriety. The House referred Morris’s request to a select committee, setting a precedent for future investigations, while the Senate had President  George Washington  appoint special commissioners and report back to that body. Representative  James Madison  of Virginia said that the “House should possess itself of the fullest information in order to doing justice to the country and to public officers.”
https://history.house.gov/Institution/Origins-Development/Investigations-Oversight/
 
 
 
katrix
4.1.21  katrix  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.18    2 months ago
There is NO Constitutional Authority for Congressional Oversight of the Executive Branch If a claim is made that it's because they are co-equal branches, then it must be applied equally and the Executive Branch can investigate the Legislative or Judicial Branches. It doubt even the left will ever desire that equality of power.

The constitution specifically grants Congress oversight and the ability to impeach presidents. Your libertarian wet dreams are nothing but just that.

As I said earlier, take a civics course. You might want to pay special attention to the parts about congressional committees and subcommittees while you're at it.

Just ... wow.

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.22  bugsy  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.17    2 months ago
There is still nothing in the constitution requiring a vote.

So you prefer the President does not get any rights.

Straight from the Kavanaugh playbook.

No surprise....

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.23  Sean Treacy  replied to  bugsy @4.1.22    2 months ago

I don't think they grasp that removing Trump will require significant Republican support and turning this into a Partisan farce just because they can makes it all the much more unlikely they will actually remove Trump.

But that's how rational people think. If the goal was to actually remove Trump rather than keep their base foaming at the mouth in the run up to the 2020 election, Democrats would be going out of their way to make the process fair. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.24  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.18    2 months ago
There is NO law that requires the executive branch to honor these demands.

You mean other than the law? Susan McDougal did 22 months in prison for refusing a subpoena, are you SURE that executive branch can just pick and choose which laws they want to follow? 

I am pretty sure there is nothing in the constitution that says, "the executive branch is free to ignore any laws they don't like". 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.25  MrFrost  replied to  bugsy @4.1.22    2 months ago
So you prefer the President does not get any rights.

Huh? He isn't above the law. And remember when the right said there was nothing in constitution that says he has to release his tax returns? Well, guess what? There is nothing in the constitution that says a vote at this point is required. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot, is it? 

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.26  Ender  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.24    2 months ago

It just blows me away that people are actually cheering on trump and his cohorts ignoring subpoenas and refusing to testify.

I would like to see they, themselves try to get away with it. See how far they get.

They are actually cheering on letting elected officials have special powers and be above the law. Power that they themselves would never be able to possess. Useful morons.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.27  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @4.1.21    2 months ago

I acknowledged the authority to impeach.  But again, as cited by Constitutional Lawyers, there is NO enumerated power for Congress to engage in Oversight of the Executive Branch.  to assume that power you must then give the Executive Branch power to engage in oversight investigations of Congress.  Hell will freeze over before that ever happens

Take a civics course?  I have a degree in History and have been studying the Constitution for over 60 years.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.28  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.24    2 months ago

Cite the law by Public Law Code that gives Congress that power.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.29  MrFrost  replied to  Ender @4.1.26    2 months ago
It just blows me away that people are actually cheering on trump and his cohorts ignoring subpoenas and refusing to testify.

Lawless people support lawless presidents. It's almost comical watching them twist and turn trying to justify trump breaking one law after another. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.30  MrFrost  replied to  livefreeordie @4.1.28    2 months ago

Cite the law by Public Law Code that gives Congress that power.

Are you seriously saying that ignoring a subpoena is legal? Lots of people have done prison time for ignoring them, but when it comes to trump you say it's ok? Are you kidding me? LOL 

Congressional oversight   is oversight by the   United States Congress   over the   Executive Branch , including the numerous   U.S. federal agencies . Congressional oversight includes the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs, activities, and policy implementation. [1]   Congress exercises this power largely through its   congressional committee   system. Oversight also occurs in a wide variety of congressional activities and contexts. These include authorization, appropriations, investigative, and   legislative hearings   by standing committees; specialized investigations by select committees; and reviews and studies by congressional support agencies and staff.

Congress’s oversight authority derives from its “implied” powers in the Constitution, public laws, and House and Senate rules. It is an integral part of the American system of   checks and balances .

Oversight is an implied rather than an enumerated power under the   U.S. Constitution . [2]   The government's charter does not explicitly grant Congress the authority to conduct inquiries or investigations of the executive, to have access to records or materials held by the executive, or to issue   subpoenas   for documents or testimony from the executive.

There was little discussion of the power to oversee, review, or investigate executive activity at the   Constitutional Convention   of 1787 or later in   The Federalist Papers , which argued in favor of ratification of the Constitution. The lack of debate was because oversight and its attendant authority were seen as an inherent power of representative assemblies which enacted public law. [3]

Oversight also derives from the many and varied express powers of the Congress in the Constitution. It is implied in the legislature's authority, among other powers and duties, to appropriate funds, enact laws, raise and support armies, provide for a Navy, declare war, and impeach and remove from office the President, Vice President, and other civil officers. Congress could not reasonably or responsibly exercise these powers without knowing what the executive was doing; how programs were being administered, by whom, and at what cost; and whether officials were obeying the law and complying with legislative intent.

The   Supreme Court of the United States   has confirmed the oversight powers of Congress, subject to constitutional safeguards for civil liberties, on several occasions. In 1927, for instance, the Court found that in investigating the administration of the   Justice Department , Congress had the authority to consider a subject "on which legislation could be had or would be materially aided by the information which the investigation was calculated to elicit". [4]
 
 
 
WallyW
4.1.31  WallyW  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.24    2 months ago
"the executive branch is free to ignore any laws they don't like". 

What law is that?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.32  Sean Treacy  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.30    2 months ago

What subpoenas?

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.33  MrFrost  replied to  WallyW @4.1.31    2 months ago

read the whole post again wally. 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.34  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @4.1.22    2 months ago
So you prefer the President does not get any rights.

The 'president' has abused his rights to the limit (and then some). 

The 'president' has been abusing the rule of law his whole life.

Y'all voted a serial liar, con-man, criminal, moron in as 'president'.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.35  MUVA  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.17    2 months ago

So you are fine with not giving some the ability to defend themselves?

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.36  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.30    2 months ago

your post affirmed my point.  Subpoena power for Congress and "oversight" only extends to matters pertaining to legislative purposes, NOT investigating the Executive branch looking for means to impeach.

Secondly, using your reasoning, the executive branch equally can investigate the conduct of members of Congress.  Hell will freeze over before Democrats ever agree to that

Thirdly, NO ONE including presidents can be forced to provide evidence that a prosecutorial effort seeks to convict.  That is a violation of the 5th amendment rights of every citizen including presidents.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45653.pdf

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.37  katrix  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.33    2 months ago
read the whole post again wally. 

Facts are not these people's friends.

They apparently have no clue that the Senate, not the House, conducts the trial portion of an impeachment.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
4.1.38  livefreeordie  replied to  katrix @4.1.37    2 months ago

Wally's point was correct.  Frost has not and cannot furnish a law that requires the president to comply.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.39  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @4.1.13    2 months ago

His rights are determined by federal laws and the constitution.  He is not a private citizen at this time.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.40  Dulay  replied to  Snuffy @4.1.14    2 months ago
The subpoena rules change if the House formally votes and approves the impeachment investigation but until they actually vote they are running under statute and the rules are there to protect both branches of government from abuse.

Please post a link for the above claim. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Trump ordered Gordon Sondland, who was involved in trying to convince the Ukranian government to investigate Biden,  not to testify before Congress today. The Democrats have said they consider such actions obstruction of Congress by the president, which is yet another impeachable offense. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago
Gordon Sondland

https://www.independentsentinel.com/texts-allegedly-proving-trumps-quid-pro-quo-dont-wash/

Sondland responded by saying that was not what was happening. “Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.”

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @5.1    2 months ago

If he is innocent Trump would have no reason to block him from testifying to Congress , would he? 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 months ago
If he is innocent Trump would have no reason to block him from testifying to Congress , would he? 

The Typical Left "He should" defense ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Any attorney on the planet would tell one to shut their mouth if they didn't do anything wrong. Once you open your mouth, anyone that wants to convict you, can cherry pick anything you say and use it against you.

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.3  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    2 months ago
If he is innocent Trump would have no reason to block him from testifying to Congress

If he had any ethics, he'd ignore Trump's orders and appear anyway. But then, Trump's toadies have made it very clear that they are unpatriotic and that they work for Trump, not for us.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.2    2 months ago

Bullshit Perry Mason

if you did nothing wrong, why would you need to worry ?  

i've testified in court a few times, told the truth, and that was that.

I've also testified in court as an "expert witness" numerous times, nothing to be afraid of, if you've done nothing wrong, and testifying honestly. 

why would you need to take the 5th, i believe Trump stated 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @5.1.3    2 months ago

Believe he was ordered not to testify by The State Department/

which was obviously ordered by Trump n cump.

Supposedly he was already to testify, and it got called off after he flew back from Europe or something 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.4    2 months ago
if you did nothing wrong, why would you need to worry ? 

Exactly !

And why give any info to the "accusers" that they could warp into their advantage. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.7  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.6    2 months ago

Because you're legally required to, perhaps?

And because you work for the American people, not for Donald Trump?

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
5.1.8  jungkonservativ111  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.4    2 months ago

The same could be said of Biden in the Ukraine. Why are we making a big deal out of it if he did nothing wrong? Just let Ukraine do the investigation and clear his good name. It could only help his campaign against Trump right?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @5.1.7    2 months ago

Exactly !

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.10  igknorantzrulz  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.8    2 months ago

Fck letting Ukraine do it, as Trump has already incentivised them to find something.

Our Intelligence agencies need to do it.

Didn't Trump just tell you about all of the CORRUPTION   there ? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.7    2 months ago
Because you're legally required to, perhaps? And because you work for the American people, not for Donald Trump?

And would you care to show me exactly where your're legally required to do what Adam Schiff wants with no preparation, or allowed to review your own notes, or appear without legal representation, or without legal representation from the organization you're representing, or in secret behind closed doors.

What Schiff and company are doing is nothing short of a Kangaroo court which they hope will lead to a bloodless coup.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
5.1.12  jungkonservativ111  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.10    2 months ago

Our intelligence agencies have agendas and corruption as well. Their "insurance policy" that was the Russian hoax didn't work out. I'm sure they would be more than happy to cover for Biden in the Ukraine.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.13  igknorantzrulz  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.12    2 months ago

another baseless conspiracy...?

what proof do you have ?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.14  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    2 months ago

To you, any investigation led by Democrats is a sham, and any investigation led by Republicans is legitimate (actually, forget the Republican investigations, just lock the liberals up without due process).

Regardless of party, a Congressional subpoena must be obeyed as long as it serves a legitimate legislative purpose. It's a legal issue. Perhaps you haven't actually read up on it, but the information is out there just waiting for you.

Hopefully these assholes who think they work for Trump rather than for us will spend some time in jail, reflecting on their idiotic decisions.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.15  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.14    2 months ago
To you, any investigation led by Democrats is a sham, and any investigation led by Republicans is legitimate

To me any investigation led by EITHER party, in the dark behind closed doors, with the opposing party entirely shut out and unable to question witnesses, or call opposing witnesses is a sham.

Your turn.  Are you going to defend the actions of the Democrats or admit that they're running rampant now?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.16  XDm9mm  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.13    2 months ago
what proof do you have ?

Give it time. 

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.17  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.15    2 months ago

6.1.5 says it well, I think.

Spitting on our three branches of government and acting like Congress is trying to pull off a coup by doing its job of oversight is NOT the way to go about this. To hear Team Trump, Congress has absolutely no authority at all - when their authority is equal to that of the executive branch.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.15    2 months ago
To me any investigation led by EITHER party, in the dark behind closed doors, with the opposing party entirely shut out and unable to question witnesses, or call opposing witnesses is a sham.

I'll agree with either party, but what comes around , goes around, and after watching the Republicans question a few lately, and the behavior of the witnesses that should have been held in contempt, can you actually blame them. Would the GOP suddenly change, as i don't think so.

They've played hardball while the Dems play badmitten, and some can smack that birdie pretty damn hard though.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.19  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.17    2 months ago
6.1.5 says it well, I think.

So, first, you depend on others to speak for you.

Then you obviously refuse to acknowledge what the Democrats are doing behind closed doors in secret with no rules previously established is wrong.

I'll submit that you must greatly appreciate what occurs in countries ruled by dictators, like Communist China, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.  They operate in a very similar fashion.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.20  WallyW  replied to  katrix @5.1.7    2 months ago
Because you're legally required to, perhaps?

By what law?  Chapter and verse please.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.21  MUVA  replied to  katrix @5.1.3    2 months ago

You mean like Eric Holder.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.19    2 months ago

I'll submit that you must greatly appreciate what occurs in countries ruled by dictators, like Communist China, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea.  They operate in a very similar fashion.

Actually, i'm thinking Trump, if able, would give Lil Kim and Xi, a damn good run for their money.

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.23  WallyW  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.10    2 months ago

Didn't Trump just tell you about all of the CORRUPTION there ? 

We are well aware of Obama's  CORRUPTION of our intelligence agencies!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.24  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @5.1.20    2 months ago
y what law?  Chapter and verse please.

Corinthians 666  999

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.25  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.19    2 months ago
So, first, you depend on others to speak for you.

[Deleted] If someone else states something well, why not point to it rather than basically saying the same thing myself?

I'll submit that you must greatly appreciate what occurs in countries ruled by dictators, like Communist China, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea

That would be your orange god, not me.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.26  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MUVA @5.1.21    2 months ago
You mean like Eric Holder.

if she lets em, why can't Eric Hold her ?

 
 
 
WallyW
5.1.27  WallyW  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    2 months ago
What Schiff and company are doing is nothing short of a Kangaroo court which they hope will lead to a bloodless coup.

Shithead Schiff and leftist komrades prefer to do this Inquisition Soviet style

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @5.1.23    2 months ago
We are well aware of Obama's  CORRUPTION of our intelligence agencies!

Did they cause Trump to call the Ukraine and illegally ask the Ukrainian president to invrstigate Biden while withholding  $390,000,000.00 million dollars ???

Did they tweet out that after talking to vicious autocrat, we would be leaving our best allies in the war against the ISIL's , to be slaughtered by the Turks ???

You can do better than that Wally.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.29  XDm9mm  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.22    2 months ago
Actually, i'm thinking Trump, if able, would give Lil Kim and Xi, a damn good run for their money.

And you know this how exactly?  Proof?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.30  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.25    2 months ago
So, first, you depend on others to speak for you.
Now you're just being a dick. If someone else states something well, why not point to it rather than basically saying the same thing myself?

If someone states something well, use your own words to verbalize that sentiment.  It's known as cogent thought.

I'll submit that you must greatly appreciate what occurs in countries ruled by dictators, like Communist China, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea
That would be your orange god, not me. Your partisanship has warped your brain.

Now, because I appreciate having investigations OUT IN THE OPEN, with accused AND accusers able to be questioned by both sides of the issue, MY brain is warped?  Seriously?   That my dear katrix, is seriously questionable and I would suggest you revisit your thought process before you malign others.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.31  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.6    2 months ago

Trump is the one demanding to confront his accuser(s).  If that were to happen Trump would be doing the warping along with intimidation and threats, not only to them, but the people in their lives.  As he has stated "I've done it before."

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.32  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.31    2 months ago
Trump is the one demanding to confront his accuser(s).

But Democrats want to keep "Protecting" their Whistle"Blower", so that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

But I'd keep demanding it too !

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.33  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.32    2 months ago
But Democrats want to keep "Protecting" their Whistle"Blower", so that ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

It worked for decades for Deep Throat.

What are the odds that some Trump supporter will harm the whistleblower if he/she is exposed? I'd say pretty damn good.

We have a two members of the intelligence community who reported something of concern, as they should have, and instead of being glad that our system of government is working as it should, all Trump's supporters can do is whine and complain about the investigation. Which, from all appearances, is being handled properly.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.34  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @5.1.33    2 months ago
our system of government....

…..Is to make this country better for citizens. Not Politicians and they're need to get votes !

What has Trump done that has hurt American Citizens again ?

 
 
 
katrix
5.1.35  katrix  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.30    2 months ago
If someone states something well, use your own words to verbalize that sentiment.  It's known as cogent thought.

I see nothing wrong with pointing to a statement that sums up what I was going to say. Saves time.

Now, because I appreciate having investigations OUT IN THE OPEN, with accused AND accusers able to be questioned by both sides of the issue, MY brain is warped?

There is a process for a congressional inquiry - and you're complaining despite the fact that it's apparently being followed. You're obviously not a stupid person; you must clearly understand that there are MANY congressional inquiries that aren't open, yet I've never heard you complain about that before.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.36  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.34    2 months ago

So physical harm is your line?

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.36    2 months ago
So physical harm is your line?

You've been Harmed Physically ?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.38  XDm9mm  replied to  katrix @5.1.35    2 months ago
There is a process for a congressional inquiry - and you're complaining despite the fact that it's apparently being followed

It's being followed?  Seriously?

Having the questions posed to 'witnesses' in secret behind closed doors allowing only your own party to participate in any questioning and only allowing the snippets of what was heard that you think is beneficial to your train of thought is acceptable? 

I'm all for having the inquiry.  Bring it on.

BUT.......

Have the questioning done out in the open so EVERYONE can hear exactly what is said.  Permit those "witnesses" the ability to have consul available to guide them if an answer might be personally detrimental, as in divulging classified or privileged information.

Have BOTH sides able to ask questions.  Not only partisan hacks with an ax to grind.  

Have the "accused" be able to provide rebuttal witnesses.

Having only one side of a story presented is neither fair and equitable, it's not believable by any stretch of the imagination. 

What's happening now is nothing short of an inquisition with a predetermined outcome. 

It's a disgrace and an insult to anyone capable of thinking for themselves.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.39  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.37    2 months ago

Do babies fart in the womb?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
5.1.40  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.34    2 months ago
What has Trump done that has hurt American Citizens again ?

He essentially stood up and yelled "Fire!" in a crowded theatre with all his anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim rhetoric, calling Mexicans "rapists", calling immigrants seeking asylum from South America an "invasion" and an "infestation" which were then the same exact words used in a mass shooters manifesto who then drove hundreds of miles to an El Paso Walmart and murdered dozens of innocent Americans. His rhetoric was used by the crowd in Charlottesville, of which one from the right wing side of confederate flag wavers, rammed their car into a crowd of peaceful protestors killing one young woman and maiming dozens. Words can have consequences, and the consequences of Donald Trump irresponsible rhetoric has cost America lives, and now, by his "Imperial Presidential Tweet" he will likely cost tens of thousands of our allies lives. It is truly a sad time for patriotic Americans having to witness the disloyalty and pathetic groveling before dictators, tyrants and Muslim extremist nations like Turkey who have been systematically cleansing their county of non-Muslims under the murderous religious zealot Erdogan. And we shouldn't forget that Flynn was brokering a deal to illegally abduct a refugee from the United States and send him to his very likely torture and death before his illicit relationship with Turkey was revealed. That's who Trump initially chose to surround himself with, and Trump even admitted “I have a little conflict of interest ’cause I have a major, major building in Istanbul,” “It’s a tremendously successful job. It’s called Trump Towers—two towers, instead of one, not the usual one, it’s two.”. So it's no wonder that Trump is just rolling over like a whipped dog for Erdogan even it it means abandoning our allies.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.41  XDm9mm  replied to  Ender @5.1.39    2 months ago
Do babies fart in the womb?

Doubtful.  "Farting" requires gases to be formed by consuming solid foods and the digestive process.   Babies in the womb receive their sustenance from fluids and not 'eating' solids that break down.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.42  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.40    2 months ago
He essentially stood up and yelled

Blah, blah, blah.

President Trump is successfully getting us out of the wars Obama promised to and not only did Obama fail that, he got us involved in yet another intractable war.   

Oh, and President Trump is not going on global apology tours denigrating America and what it did for the world.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5.1.43  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.41    2 months ago

Then explain meconium

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.44  It Is ME  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @5.1.40    2 months ago

So his actual policies in DC, haven't hurt any American Citizen one bit.

Apparently you've been personally effected by Trumps words. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

100% of your comment has to do with "Self Responsibility" .....which isn't in the "Lefts" Vocabulary apparently.....and "Feelings". It's always "Blame" others for peoples actions done huh ! jrSmiley_54_smiley_image.gif

What a Scary World to live in with thoughts like that. jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.45  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.43    2 months ago

Mr. Expert usually has an answer for everything.  Where's his answer for that one?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.46  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.44    2 months ago

you and your little posse, with the dumber than dirt non stop stupid inquires attempting to get N E and all of your silly questions answered in a deliberate provocative attempt to just annoy is not a smart ploy, cause i'm gonna make you my   boy oh boy, we gonna have funquest

write now, i gotta go, but i promised you some creativity last week, as 

you've earned it

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.47  Ender  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.41    2 months ago

Ok smarty pants.  Haha   I didn't actually expect an answer for that. Then again, When I was in the womb, my mother fell down a short set of stairs. Said I didn't move for a week.

That could explain some things....

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.48  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.46    2 months ago
you and your little posse, with the dumber than dirt non stop stupid inquires attempting to get N E and all of your silly questions answered in a deliberate provocative attempt to just annoy is not a smart ploy, cause i'm gonna make you my   boy oh boy, we gonna have funquest

384

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.49  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.42    2 months ago

He doesn't have to go on a tour to denigrate America, he does it via Tweet.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.50  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.39    2 months ago
Do babies fart in the womb?

Baby wipes actually work. you know how those Sharts can fool ya.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.51  Tessylo  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @5.1.8    2 months ago

Plus investigate Biden for what?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.52  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.50    2 months ago

True story. I worked with a guy that was a drunk. One day he told the boss he had to go home. Thought he had to fart and shat so much it ran down his pant leg and into his shoe. Drove home with trash bags on the seat. He never came back to work that day. Went home and started drinking again.

I can only hope he cleaned himself up.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.53  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.52    2 months ago
He never came back to work that day. Went home and started drinking again.
I can only hope he cleaned himself up.

Probably forgot. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.54  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.53    2 months ago

Man I hope not. Somehow though I wouldn't doubt it.

Had to send him home another day as he split his pants. He never wore underwear. Oddly he didn't want to leave that day...

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.55  It Is ME  replied to  Ender @5.1.54    2 months ago
Had to send him home another day as he split his pants. He never wore underwear. Oddly he didn't want to leave that day...

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

Special Breezes in your place.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.56  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.43    2 months ago
Then explain meconium

Well hot diggity SHIT.....   you finally found something I couldn't answer!!

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.57  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.45    2 months ago
Mr. Expert usually has an answer for everything.

Well, answers are better than the usual meme some are famous for.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.58  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.57    2 months ago

I'm not famous for memes unlike some other posters.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.59  MrFrost  replied to  MUVA @5.1.21    2 months ago

You mean like Eric Holder.

He's still in office? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.60  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.32    2 months ago

Of course the whistle blower needs to be protected.  There are too many out there who would do physical harm to them if their identity is compromised at this time.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.61  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.60    2 months ago
There are too many out there who would do physical harm to them if their identity is compromised at this time.  

The last one got free sex change treatments. How is that "Hurting" a "leaker" ?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.62  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.61    2 months ago

Oh please.  If that is the best you have as a rebuttal, go back to the drawing board. Now, to quote WC Fields..."Go away boy, you are bothering me."

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.63  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.62    2 months ago
Oh please.  If that is the best you have as a rebuttal

Was it Wrong ?

Which "Blower" has actually been hurt that you know of ?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.64  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.63    2 months ago

They haven't been yet because they are being protected.  But if their identity is known, their lives may be in danger.  For you to try to justify any argument using Chelsea Manning is laughable.  Frankly, I expect better of you.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.65  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.64    2 months ago
But if their identity is known, their lives may be in danger.

The Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi  committee members kept regurgitating that fear message too. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.66  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.65    2 months ago
regurgitating that fear message too

C'mon ME...the whole intent of the statute is to protect the individual from repercussion for exposing potential wrongdoing committed by individuals that have the power to ruin the lives of those answering to a higher order...all in an act of self-preservation. Think of it as a silent-witness campaign used by every law-enforcement agency in an effort to bring criminals to justice. The guarantee of anonymity is critical...again your 'fear message' is but projection.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.67  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.66    2 months ago
the whole intent of the statute is to protect the individual from repercussion for exposing potential wrongdoing committed by individuals that have the power to ruin the lives of those answering to a higher order.

Baloney !

All withholding this Leakers name, or maybe now 2 leakers names on this present issue, is just to "Sensationalize" the "Lefts" "Sensationalizing" even more right now.

Adam Schiff is already ready to out them, as soon as he's ready to bring them in front of his committee. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.68  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.67    2 months ago
All withholding this Leakers name, or maybe now 2 leakers names on this present issue, is just to "Sensationalize" the "Lefts" "Sensationalizing" even more right now.

Hard to argue against such a cogent and eloquent rebuttal.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.69  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.68    2 months ago

Even Adam isn't going to keep them safe, no matter many times he and the cohorts in this matter argue they should be. It was all just "Grandstanding" to gain a bit of time.....and more media Coverage for effect.

I wonder if anyone will complain like they are now about Name Privacy, when their names are actually released by Adam and the press ?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.1.70  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.69    2 months ago
Even Adam isn't going to keep them safe,

And why is that? It goes straight to the polarizing character at the center of this maelstrom, whose rhetoric foments hate and could incite those without compunction to harm the very citizens he is is charged to represent. What in the world can be said to excuse that kind of threatening rhetoric?...but I am sure you will enlighten me. Carrion.

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.71  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @5.1.70    2 months ago
And why is that?

It is Adams Position, so you'll have to ask him. Trump has nothing to do with what Adam wants to do....so says Adam.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.72  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.71    2 months ago

"It is Adams Position,"

.

Do you know Adams' favorite position ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.73  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.72    2 months ago
Do you know Adams' favorite position ?

I wish !

He's dreamy...….jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif

256

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.74  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.73    2 months ago

It is said, that a missionary, 

on every eve

gave him 68 serpents

and every eve , 69 were spit out,

cause Trump loves him some reciprocity 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.75  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    2 months ago
And would you care to show me exactly where your're legally required to do what Adam Schiff wants with no preparation, or allowed to review your own notes, or appear without legal representation, or without legal representation from the organization you're representing, or in secret behind closed doors.

Name someone who has been deposed or testified in front of Schiff's Committee under those limitations XD. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.76  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @5.1.65    2 months ago

Oh please.  That is such a lame argument.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    2 months ago

If they want him to testify, they should subpoena him.  Of course, their case to enforce a subpoena would be much stronger if an impeachment inquiry was taking place, but since  there is no impeachment inquiry, it's going to be that much harder to get a judge to agree to force him to testify.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6  It Is ME    2 months ago

Americans Support For Impeachment Hearings (And Removal of Trump) Has Exploded (Up) In The Past Few Weeks

The "Media" is doing a great job helping the Nutty Democrat Professors !

I wonder when the Media will report "ALL" of the story !

"Cherry" picking can give you a really bad stomach ache if you eat to many "cherries" while picking. jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6    2 months ago
onder when the Media will report "ALL" of the story ! "Ch

see what happens when you have part of the story, cause some lying fck won't release anyone from testifying and that is now to become another reason to warrant impeachment

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1    2 months ago
see what happens when you have part of the story, cause some lying fck won't release anyone from testifying

See what happens when the "Media Story" "LEADS" YOU ?

MAKES You say things like that. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.1    2 months ago

I see what happens when Trump leads you, thats for sure

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.3  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.2    2 months ago

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igknorantzrulz
6.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.3    2 months ago

The "Media is doing well for you !

wish i could say the same for Trump for you.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.5  r.t..b...  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1    2 months ago
reason to warrant impeachment

This is less about trump and more to the Executive Branch and its' role as an equal part of a three-tiered system of governance. If someone is elected and feels they are elevated above the restrictions of our Constitution, there are remedies to correct behavior that could negatively affect that balance. Forget about trump for a moment, as he will eventually hoist himself upon his own patard. But if he is somehow not held accountable in his ignorance, imagine a more politically savvy president (from either party) using the precedent to willfully enact their agenda. 

That is why impeachment must proceed, not to undue the results of an election (a specious argument), but to ensure that abuse of power committed after that election (evidence of which is confirmed with every action) is addressed in accordance within the rules as outlined. 

The current office holder is what he is...let us not be confined by partisan bickering in ensuring the system is not as corrupted as he is. Both parties will be held accountable going forward...the Dems need only to adhere to the rules as outlined, the GOP need only acknowledge those rules exist. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.4    2 months ago
wish i could say the same for Trump for you.

I swear I noted that the "Media" wasn't doing their "Full" jobs. jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

Did you miss that in comment 6 It Is ME    an hour ago 

But....you fall for the lazy job by media..... "Hook-Line-n-Sinker" ! jrSmiley_50_smiley_image.gif

Good Job ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.5    2 months ago
That is why impeachment must proceed, not to undue the results of an election (a specious argument), but to ensure that abuse of power committed after that election (evidence of which is confirmed with every action) is addressed in accordance within the rules as outlined. 

In total agreement.

The GOP is slowly starting to turn the ship, as even some of his most ardent supporters are realizing, that when a Democrat is in office, and we've set these ridiculous no restrictions on a sitting POTUS, we will also be fckd like the Dems are now.

and i believe Nancy did it correctly, as there wasn't any appetite in many for impeachment, until the Ukraine debacle and who would have thought the Kurds, of all peoples, would start the ball rolling ?

This president has so blatantly pushed so many boundaries, and the GOP was silent.  Some are now starting to realize that wasn't the best move.

Lets just hope there is some more evidence of some juicy wrongdoings, as i'm positive there are juicy wrongdoings, just need overwhelming evidence as his water bearers aren't gonna believe their own two eyes irregardless.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.5    2 months ago
This is less about trump and more to the Executive Branch and its' role as an equal part of a three-tiered system of governance.

There is no "equal" in the Branches of government these days.

It's all "Politics" all the time …... against each other. To hell with the folks that elected them. They just want "Election Votes" for their own "Monetary" gains.

Trump didn't get into it for the "Bucks", unlike those politicians that get in with little, and come out with Big Bucks.

Hell....the "Left" wants to pack the "Supreme court" to make a "Court-of-Law" more "PC Feeling" . Sounds "un-equal " to me.

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.8    2 months ago
There is no "equal" in the Branches of government these days.

There is, trump just thinks he is above the other two, which he isn't. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.10  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.9    2 months ago
There is, trump just thinks he is above the other two

He does ?

What has Trump done that is "Against" this countries citizens again ?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.11  r.t..b...  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.7    2 months ago
just need overwhelming evidence as his water bearers aren't gonna believe their own two eyes irregardless.

It needs to be incontrovertible, and all indications point to that logical conclusion. There will always be those sheep in wolves clothing that will continue to howl at the moon, but they are easily dismissed as the content of their objections will be based on nothing of Constitutional substance, regardless of the patriotic tone they are sure to take. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.3    2 months ago

No Value [Perrie Halpern R.A.] 

More value than what I was commenting from !

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.13  r.t..b...  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.10    2 months ago
What has Trump done that is "Against" this countries citizens again ?

Subverting the integrity of the election process. Just when is enough enough for you, ME?

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  r.t..b... @6.1.13    2 months ago
Subverting the integrity of the election process.

Really ?

How was Trump able stop what was going on before he became President ? jrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

I seem to remember, there was a President before Trump, that seemed to know Russia was trying to do something here....like advertise fake stuff to "Voters". jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Maybe that "Other" President shoulda Listened to Mitt Romney when Mitt said "Russia was this countries biggest "Geo-political" foe.....huh. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

It's a good thing that "Other" President got out of the 80's, before he shouldn't have. jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Snuffy
6.1.15  Snuffy  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.9    2 months ago

I'm still waiting to see what Trump as done to show he thinks he's above the other two branches any more than his immediate predecessor did. Obama and his people ignored congressional subpoenas as well. Obama was public about his "I have a pen and a phone" speech. From what I see in this regard Trump is not doing anything that prior presidents have not done.

The way the Democrats are running this investigation in the House, IMO, smells of party politics rather than doing what is best for the country. Without a formal vote in the House to authorize the impeachment investigation (which yes, is not required by the constitution) then the investigation is running under statute. It appears to me that the Democrats are attempting to limit due process in this investigation and to prevent the public from seeing everything that is going into the investigation. And IMO, if you are relying on MSM to get the information you will be left with whatever partial truth the news organization of your choice will provide.

That's the way I see it. With the state of MSM in this country and the Democrats trying to keep most of this behind closed doors,  we as the citizens of this country are not seeing what is being done and cannot make an informed decision about any of this. All this harping from either side about impeachment only shows our individual bias and arguing about it won't change anybody's mind. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.16  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.14    2 months ago
I seem to remember, there was a President before Trump, that seemed to know Russia was trying to do something here....like advertise fake stuff to "Voters".

Yea, well he didn't realize so many gullible sheep would fall for teenagers in moscow catfishing the easily malleable minions with out independently thought out opinions, as no one realized how influential they had become here.

Not Mitt, not ANY GOP or Democratic pols either.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.17  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.16    2 months ago
Yea, well he didn't realize

Yea, Welll…..Seemed to be an Obama Trait.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.18  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Snuffy @6.1.15    2 months ago

What were so many responding with on the right about Trump, and his non answering to EVERYTHING, 

It's not against the Law, or what law did he break.

What LAW are they breaking ?

About time they started playing the same game as the Repubs.

Take advantage of every law and push it as far as Trump stretched everything.

Don't break any laws, just abide by them.

You know, it's not like they are saying our rules are under audit, and we'll release them after the election, say like Trump and his taxes. As then all of his supporters said, "what law is he breaking".

Trump, if not President, would be in jail with his lawyer, and many other of his appointed cabinet and election campaign.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.19  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.17    2 months ago

Yea, Welll…..Seemed to be an Obama Trait.

Yea,Welll.....Seemes Trump has Traitorous Traits

and...?

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.20  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.19    2 months ago
Yea,Welll.....Seemes Trump has Traitorous Traits

So says the Media ? jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.21  Greg Jones  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.16    2 months ago

Teenagers don't vote

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.21    2 months ago

try reading my comment again

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.23  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.22    2 months ago
try reading my comment again

"Teenagers" influenced Democrat "Adults" to hold hearings against Trump.

Got it ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.24  Ender  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.21    2 months ago
Teenagers don't vote

18...19

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.25  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.23    2 months ago
he didn't realize so many gullible sheep would fall for teenagers in moscow catfishing the easily malleable minions with out independently thought out opinions, as no one realized how influential they had become here.

Reading comprehension difficulties ???

what part about teenagers in moscow, is so difficult to understand, as they played both Dems and Repubs and they were A Dolts 

it has NOTHING to do with hearings, it is about the darn election

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
6.1.26  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @6.1.24    2 months ago

And if New York and Bernie get their way, so will 16 year olds. Sad shit. They can't decide what gender they are and eat soap pods. Yeah, that's what we need. More feelings over intellect disguised as the latter in the system. Falls right in line with hook 'em when they are young. Enough of that in our schools and "higher learning" institutions as it is.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.27  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.25    2 months ago
what part about teenagers in moscow

I understood your comment quite well.

My comment 6.1.23 stands as stated ! jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Ender @6.1.24    2 months ago

stop showing off

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.29  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.27    2 months ago

again, my condolences

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.30  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @6.1.26    2 months ago

I agreed with lowering it to 18. Old enough to be drafted, old enough to cast a ballot.

16? No. As for Bernie, he would never be my choice.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.31  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.29    2 months ago
again, my condolences

for ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.32  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.31    2 months ago

doing what all of you Trump supporters are doing...

stupid questions asking for answers and evidence that you've been told many many times, and i'm thinking you know exactly what i'm talking about, just being childish, cause you've got your little talking points/marching orders from some clown, as you know you aren't going to defeat the TRUTH, and that is the

So ask your stupid questions, and when your head starts spinning centrifugally around, cause i can apply know force when not forced too, and you and company will run to moderators and claim that mean angry snowflake, isn't melting, but i am, so please make him stop.

But i can't write off that which is dead on live, while not animated , cause cartoons are caricatures i can illustrate inn a colorful black and white shade of gray, but i'm not happy, if you are or are not gay, but either way, i'll have mine, and i'll say a lot you won't yet again comprehend, and that is where we are at my friend

your call

.

i'm out of here, so get your comments in 

cause i'm gonna be feeling a little creative , as i did mention this last week when you and your posse were doing the same bullshit, as it's not a promise of a margarine of buttered praise, it's a popped tart error in so many ways

we'll see how you fare, when i ain't         buyin it

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.33  It Is ME  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1.32    2 months ago
stupid questions asking for answers and evidence that you've been told many many times, and i'm thinking you know exactly what i'm talking about, just being childish, cause you've got your little talking points/marching orders from some clown, as you know you aren't going to defeat the TRUTH, and that is

That's Funny !

You should stop getting your little talking points/marching orders from some clown Media outlet that luvs Adam and Jerry !

384

Didn't work in the Past....won't work now !

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.34  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.20    2 months ago

No, so says his actions.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.35  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1.34    2 months ago
No, so says his actions.

Trump actually beat someone up ?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.36  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.6    2 months ago

You fall for the lazy job by Trump.   Good job!

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.1.36    2 months ago
You fall for the lazy job by Trump

Well....did Trump actually Beat someone up  or not. That would be an actual "action" ya know.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.38  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.35    2 months ago

He is too much of a coward for that.  His prefers to fire up his base for the dirty work.

 
 
 
MrFrost
7  MrFrost    2 months ago

28% of republicans now support impeachment. Which is up 21% from two weeks ago. Should be pointed out that overall support for impeaching clinton was only 37% where as this article shows that 49% of all Americans support impeachment. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
8  MrFrost    2 months ago

RCP average of all polls shows trump is sinking in popularity. A polite way of saying his rhetoric and BS isn't doing him any good.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

As of this posting, trump is at 43.1%. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MrFrost @8    2 months ago
RCP average of all polls shows trump is sinking in popularity. A polite way of saying his rhetoric and BS isn't doing him any good.

and he isn't doing US any good, either. about fckn time some people started realizing this guy has been playing our system, the GOP, and the American people.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9  Nerm_L    2 months ago

Democrats need to get on with it.  Democrats have been trying to get the FBI and Justice Dept to remove Trump.  Democrats have been trying to get the intelligence agencies to remove Trump.  Democrats have been trying to get Republicans to remove Trump.  Democrats have been trying to get anyone else to remove Trump so Democrats won't get their hands dirty.

Democrats have become all too European by wanting proxies to fight their dirty little wars for them.  But this is the Democrats' war; Democrats need to fight it rather than expending so much effort getting someone else to fight it for them.  

And removing Trump won't make the Democratic replacement a better alternative.  House Democrats have established a stalemate in Congress by adopting the same obstructive strategy that the TEA Party adopted against Obama.  Retaliation and revenge is not a productive basis for governing.  Democrats are convincing the public that the Democratic Party must be made irrelevant just as the TEA Party was made irrelevant.  Democrats have clearly shown the country that the party is only about the politics of retaliation; the Democratic Party is not a party of ideas for governing.

Democrats don't have a choice.  Impeachment has now become a political imperative.  If Democrats fail to impeach Trump now then the Democratic Party becomes just as irrelevant as has the TEA Party.  Trump is leading the Democratic Party to obscurity.  Democrats need to get on with it before its too late.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Nerm_L @9    2 months ago
Democrats are convincing the public that the Democratic Party must be made irrelevant just as the TEA Party was made irrelevant.  Democrats have clearly shown the country that the party is only about the politics of retaliation; the Democratic Party is not a party of ideas for governing. Democrats don't have a choice.  Impeachment has now become a political imperative.  If Democrats fail to impeach Trump now then the Democratic Party becomes just as irrelevant as has the TEA Party.  Trump is leading the Democratic Party to obscurity.  Democrats need to get on with it before its too late.

Perhaps you meant Republican Party in that first sentence ?

The Republicans, imho, have jeopardized their party, by not calling out Trump as he ran over all norms and pushed every boundarie, without ever calling Trump out till now.

Time will tell.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1    2 months ago
Perhaps you meant Republican Party in that first sentence ?

The TEA Party made the Republican Party irrelevant by placing the party in an all or nothing political war with Obama.  The TEA Party engaged in the politics of retaliation rather that ideas on governing.  Benghazi marked the TEA Party's struggle for irrelevance.

The Republicans, imho, have jeopardized their party, by not calling out Trump as he ran over all norms and pushed every boundarie, without ever calling Trump out till now.

Republicans aren't even in the news unless Democrats place them there.  This is the Democrat's war; not the Republican's war.  The Republican Party has not yet emerged from irrelevance.  Republicans still need to decide if the party should return to the status quo or should find a new path.  Like it or not, Trump really is showing Republicans that adherence to the status quo is not a political necessity; Trump really is reshaping the Republican Party.

Time will tell.

Yes, time will tell.  But time is not on the side of Democrats.  Democrats are following the TEA Party playbook and expecting a different result.  And Democrats do not have a transformative leader in the wings that can reshape the Democratic Party.  Democrats are going to need a political outsider who will challenge the status quo.  

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Nerm_L @9    2 months ago
Democrats have become all too European by wanting proxies to fight their dirty little wars for them.

All they have been doing is attempting to build a quorum from nearly every sector in society and the government because they know that if you don't get enough people behind you before you act you risk falling flat on your back when the ignorant bully you're standing up to shoves you in the chest regardless of whether you have truth and justice on your side.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
9.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    2 months ago

Truth and justice are not on the Democrats side, or part of their agenda.

 
 
 
lady in black
9.2.2  lady in black  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2.1    2 months ago

Bull....Republicans have TDS for Crooked donnie a known liar and a cheat...

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.2.3  XDm9mm  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    2 months ago
All they have been doing is attempting to build a quorum

I've made a minor correction to your erroneous post below.  No need to thank me.

All they have been doing is attempting to BUY a quorum

Free shit for everyone is always a good talking point when one doesn't have facts or reality to support them.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
9.2.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Greg Jones @9.2.1    2 months ago
Truth and justice are not on the Democrats side

You say that but know full well that if it were a Democrat President who had been caught telling his aides to lie to investigators, was an unindicted co-conspirator in a felony campaign finance case where his co-conspirator is already serving time, publicly proclaimed they believed an ex-KGB dictator over our own intelligence sources, refused to do anything to hold a foreign leader to account who had a journalist murdered and dismembered, has said they "fell in love" with the leader of a violent authoritarian regime while at the same time abandoned and ridiculed our allies, and to top it all off, withheld congressionally approved military aide to an ally country in an effort to coerce them to dig up dirt on their biggest potential political opponent for an upcoming national election, you would be demanding their immediate impeachment and removal and you would rightly believe truth and justice were on your side.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
9.2.5  Nerm_L  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2    2 months ago
All they have been doing is attempting to build a quorum from nearly every sector in society and the government because they know that if you don't get enough people behind you before you act you risk falling flat on your back when the ignorant bully you're standing up to shoves you in the chest regardless of whether you have truth and justice on your side.

That's nothing but politics.  Democrats are trying to politically win an impeachment.  That's not about rule of law, the Constitution, or anything other than dirty politics.  The public sees that from Democrats (and Republicans) every two years.  We are coming up on the friggin' political ad season; not something the public looks forward to.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
9.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.2.4    2 months ago
and you would rightly believe truth and justice were on your side.

Because it WOULD BE.

Just like it is on the side of ANY that wish to see Trump held to the same Standards as say The GOP held Bill Clinton, or Barrack Obama !

But Republicans seem to believe they need not hold Trump to much of any standards, which is quite telling of how hollow the GOP truly has become.

Democrats better strategically play this out correctly, and use every Law available, to obtain testimony and evidence, without mercy, but completely within the Law.

That's the way Republicans play it, and so should the Democrats. Fair is fair, so all of you Republican apologists, you know, the ones who don't need tax returns, because there is no Law that they are revealed, you can forgive a co-conspirator that would be in jail if he wasn't the potUS and claim Mueller came up with nothing but lies and was the hoax witch hunt Trump claimed, when that is a complete and total LIE.

The ones who could ?accept? him stating he believed Putin , while Trump was standing adjacent to the little mind fck on the world stage, over our intelligence agencies   WTF ?

.

Sorry Dismayed Patriot, but i'm also a dismayed patriot now and then, and well , sorta forgot i started out replying to you, and was, still replying to you, while spewin a few thoughts tossed

out of my mind

cause , on occasion , I AM

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10  author  JohnRussell    2 months ago

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That tweet could be used as an article of impeachment. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

"That tweet could be used as an article of impeachment."

For telling the truth for once? Strange logic.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
10.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10.1    2 months ago

for not providing testimony. It is an impeachable charge, to stonewall the lawful testimony and or evidence requested by Trumps new daddy, Adam Schiff

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

He wouldn't know a true fact if it chowed down on his fat ass.

 
 
 
MrFrost
10.3  MrFrost  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

What I want to know is what "republican's rights" have been taken away, and how? I was unaware that our nation's laws applied to one party and not the other. If I change parties, do I get different rights? 

Rhetorical, of course, but it does illustrate just how fucking stupid trump is. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @10    2 months ago

The only facts that he does not want allowed are those that will bust him.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11  Jeremy Retired in NC    2 months ago
Trump had committed numerous impeachable offenses

Wow.  This starts with BS in the 1st paragraph.

Then Trump went the proverbial "bridge too far" when he asked the president of a foreign country to discredit Trump's  main election rival for 2020.

If you believe the narrative of the Democrats who have been scrambling since 2016 to overthrow the duly elected President.

Support for impeachment has risen 20 points in the past few weeks

That's if you believe the same polling people that told us Hillary would win by a landslide.

This whole thing is TDS driven.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1  MrFrost  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    2 months ago
This whole thing is TDS driven.

Trumps Dumbshit Supporters? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.1.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    2 months ago

Change my mind then.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @11.1    2 months ago

Trump's deranged supporters.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
11.2  livefreeordie  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11    2 months ago

Let's put some light where the leftist media and Democrats try to keep facts in the darkness

Trump made a legitimate request of the new Ukrainian President to investigate the corruption and collusion of Democrats in the 2016 election. Something even Politico noted in January 2017

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN

01/11/2017 05:05 AM EST

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found. A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Ukrainian Embassy confirms DNC contractor solicited Trump dirt in 2016



The boomerang from the Democratic Party’s failed attempt to connect  Donald Trump  to Russia’s 2016 election meddling is picking up speed, and its flight path crosses right through Moscow’s pesky neighbor, Ukraine. That is where there is growing evidence a foreign power was asked, and in some cases tried, to help  Hillary Clinton .

In its most detailed account yet, the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington says a Democratic National Committee (DNC) insider during the 2016 election solicited dirt on Donald Trump’s campaign chairman and even tried to enlist the country's president to help.

In written answers to questions, Ambassador Valeriy Chaly's office says DNC contractor Alexandra Chalupa sought information from the Ukrainian government on  Paul Manafort ’s dealings inside the country in hopes of forcing the issue before Congress.

Chaly’s written answers mark the most direct acknowledgement by Ukraine’s government that an American tied to the Democratic Party sought the country’s help in the 2016 election, and they confirm the main points of a  January 2017 story by Politico   on Chalupa’s efforts.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/441892-ukrainian-embassy-confirms-dnc-contractor-solicited-trump-dirt-in-2016

 
 
 
lady in black
12  lady in black    2 months ago

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MrFrost
13  MrFrost    2 months ago

Rasmussen October 9 2019 'The latest figures include 33% who Strongly Approve of the job Trump is doing and 43% who Strongly Disapprove.

This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of NEGATIVE 10' And this is polling BEFORE Trump's Syria disaster.

 
 
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