General Keane: Turkish incursion into Syria would force Kurds to flee, freeing captured ISIS members (via Fox news)

  
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General Keane:  Turkish incursion into Syria would force Kurds to flee, freeing captured ISIS members (via Fox news)
Keane called that situation a "recipe for disaster."

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Retired U.S. Army Gen. Jack Keane warned a military incursion into Syria by Turkey could cause the American-ally Kurds to flee, leaving thousands of  ISIS  prisoners unguarded.

Keane told Martha MacCallum Tuesday on " The Story " the situation has been "evolving" since  President Trump announced a pull-out of troops from Syria, which critics said could lead to regional instability.

"It is evolving [and] it's unfortunate that we were not unequivocal with [Turkish President Recep] Erdogan and his regime about a military incursion into Syria -- and particularly targeted against the Kurds who are obviously our partners in defeating ISIS.

A regional ethnic group long friendly to the United States and aiding in its military moves against terrorist groups like ISIS, the Kurdish people live in an area that includes parts of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Turkey.

Keane called that situation a "recipe for disaster."

Related: Under Erdogan, Turkey has jailed more journalists than any other country in the world


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Krishna
1  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

Retired U.S. Army Gen. Jack Keane warned a military incursion into Syria by Turkey could cause the American-ally Kurds to flee, leaving thousands of ISIS   prisoners unguarded.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Krishna @1    2 months ago
 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    2 months ago
Iran Holds Military Drills Near Turkey,

Tells It to Stop Syria Attack

As Russia Accuses U.S. of 'Dangerous Game

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-holds-military-drills-near-turkey-tells-it-to-stop-syria-attack-as-russia-accuses-us-of-dangerous-game/ar-AAIvLSV?ocid=spartanntp

 
 
 
 
Krishna
2  seeder  Krishna    2 months ago

Keane called that situation a "recipe for disaster."

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3  FLYNAVY1    2 months ago

My God be with the Kurds.......  They deserve so much better than this.  Their blood is on Trump's hands.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3    2 months ago

My God be with the Kurds.......  They deserve so much better than this.  Their blood is on Trump's hands.

True. The Kurds have been a long time staunch ally of the USA, and trumpturd just shit on them. What a completely worthless asshat. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    2 months ago

Even Russia is criticizing Trump

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    2 months ago

The attack is underway. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
5  MrFrost    2 months ago

So trump is now supporting ISIS over our own allies. Worst president in history. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6  Nerm_L    2 months ago

Then Turkey (and, by extension, NATO) becomes a sponsor of terrorism.  Why aren't European generals pledging to send troops to northern Syria to stop an incursion by a European ally?  Why is it necessary for the United States to cover Europe's backside again?

Europe has obviously supported the Kurds by providing arms and training; the Kurds are a European ally, too.  Maybe it's time for France and Germany to actually get in the game.  The UK could provide troops, as well, since the UK bears a lot of responsibility for screwing up the Levant.  Maybe it's time for Europe to clean up it's own mess.

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1  MrFrost  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago
Why is it necessary for the United States to cover Europe's backside again?

They are our allies, (well, probably not anymore) and we have the largest military on the planet BY FAR. Also, we are bound to protect them by treaty. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    2 months ago
They are our allies, (well, probably not anymore) and we have the largest military on the planet BY FAR. Also, we are bound to protect them by treaty. 

Which 'they' are you referring to?  The United States has pledged to support NATO, by treaty, and Turkey is a member of NATO.  This is an issue that needs to be resolved by NATO; not by the United States alone.

France requested assistance from the United States for its attack on Libya citing the NATO alliance.  Turkey is also a member of NATO.  So, which treaty and which ally is the United States supposed to support in northern Syria?  Should the United States throw NATO under the bus and protect the Kurds?  Or should the United States show support for NATO by not becoming involved?

 
 
 
MrFrost
6.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.1    2 months ago

So as NATO members, we should render aid, yes? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.1.3  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @6.1    2 months ago
They are our allies, (well, probably not anymore) and we have the largest military on the planet BY FAR. Also, we are bound to protect them by treaty. 

Where do you get this BS from? Our allies are supposed to be able to defend themselves. In case you haven't heard, we are not supposed to be the world's damn policeman!

Problem is Europe/NATO do not want to defend themselves. They like the US wasting lives and resources doing what they don't want to do. Then they can stick it to the US in lopsided trade deals.

Our "allies" need to pull their damn weight for a change.

There is no reason NATO (minus the US for once) cannot send troops into Syria to protect the Kurds. What they don't have a couple of thousand troops to spare? Along with the air force to provide air cover?  NATO should also be bringing pressure on Turkey by threatening to revoke their membership. But not a peep.

Seems the EU/NATO likes Turkey as a partner and is willing to stay silent. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  Ronin2 @6.1.3    2 months ago

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Nerm_L
6.1.5  Nerm_L  replied to  MrFrost @6.1.2    2 months ago
So as NATO members, we should render aid, yes? 

The United States is not the only NATO country with military capability.  Why isn't Europe mobilizing military assets to assist the United States in confronting Turkey?  Why should the United States carry NATO's burden alone?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.1.6  r.t..b...  replied to  Nerm_L @6.1.5    2 months ago
Why isn't Europe mobilizing military assets to assist the United States in confronting Turkey?

We're already AWOL.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.7  It Is ME  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.4    2 months ago

Off Topic (per author/seeder) [Perrie Halpern R.A.]

In case you hadn't noticed (a given by the "Delete" thingy) , I was responding to comment #6.1.3. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
6.2  seeder  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago
Then Turkey (and, by extension, NATO) becomes a sponsor of terrorism.  Why aren't European generals pledging to send troops to northern Syria to stop an incursion by a European ally?  Why is it necessary for the United States to cover Europe's backside again? Europe has obviously supported the Kurds by providing arms and training; the Kurds are a European ally, too.  Maybe it's time for France and Germany to actually get in the game.  The UK could provide troops, as well, since the UK bears a lot of responsibility for screwing up the Levant.  Maybe it's time for Europe to clean up it's own mess.

And maybe..just maybe...its time for Trump to put the interests of our country...above his own personal greed?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.2.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @6.2    2 months ago
And maybe..just maybe...its time for Trump to put the interests of our country...above his own personal greed?

Why is this issue only about Trump and the United States?  Where is NATO?  Where is Europe?  Why does the responsibility to confront Turkey fall onto the United States, alone?

This incident only provides further evidence that NATO doesn't do squat for the United States.  Europe only expects the United States to fight its dirty little wars.  The time has come for the United States to seriously consider leaving NATO.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.2  It Is ME  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.1    2 months ago
Why is this issue only about Trump and the United States?  Where is NATO?  Where is Europe?  Why does the responsibility to confront Turkey fall onto the United States, alone?

Well … Trump "IS" the only "ENEMY" these days ! jrSmiley_22_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.2.3  Nerm_L  replied to  It Is ME @6.2.2    2 months ago
Well … Trump "IS" the only "ENEMY" these days !

And it seems American generals and war hawks in Congress are taking advantage of that to lie their way into another little dirty war.

In the past, fighting a war was a way to counteract a lot of political problems for a President.  Trump doesn't seem to be following the status quo; Trump is trying to politically fight his own generals and avoid another dirty little war.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.2.4  It Is ME  replied to  Nerm_L @6.2.3    2 months ago
Trump doesn't seem to be following the status quo; Trump is trying to politically fight his own generals and avoid another dirty little war.

The "Status Quo" is what the DC crowd is fighting to keep. Trump will have nothing to do with it , and neither will the ones that voted for Trump !

The "Status Quo" has gotten us into a lot of Problems over the decades !

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.3  bbl-1  replied to  Nerm_L @6    2 months ago

NATO is not a sponsor of terrorism.  That description would clearly fall on the US president who is susceptible to laudatory phone conversations with fellow autocrats.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
6.3.1  Nerm_L  replied to  bbl-1 @6.3    2 months ago
NATO is not a sponsor of terrorism.

Turkey is a member of NATO.  So, what is the rest of NATO going to do about Turkey forcing the Kurds to leave ISIS prisoners unguarded?

 
 
 
bbl-1
6.3.2  bbl-1  replied to  Nerm_L @6.3.1    2 months ago

Erdogan is meeting with Putin today.  So much for Turkey being a NATO ally.

ISIS prisoners?   Yeah.  Many threads with this latest Trumpian proclamation.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.3.3  r.t..b...  replied to  bbl-1 @6.3.2    2 months ago
Erdogan is meeting with Putin today.

They don't even need trumps attendance to formulate his policy. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
6.3.4  Ronin2  replied to  r.t..b... @6.3.3    2 months ago

What, you think Putin is whispering sweet nothings in Erdogan's ear? 

He is chewing on it letting him know that Turkey will not be permitted to hold Syrian land. Think that Syria or Russia want Turkey in Northern Syria? No more than they wanted the US there.

Russia it seems is taking a stand. Unlike our EU/NATO allies that are all too busy bitching about the US finally looking out for ourselves for a change.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.3.5  r.t..b...  replied to  Ronin2 @6.3.4    2 months ago
Russia it seems is taking a stand.

So Putin's stakes in Syria are purely altruistic? So once again he is the only winner given the unilateral and unexplainable actions of our administration of one.

 
 
 
Split Personality
6.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  r.t..b... @6.3.5    2 months ago
 
 
 
r.t..b...
6.3.7  r.t..b...  replied to  Split Personality @6.3.6    2 months ago
Iranian tanks near the Turkish border.

Nature...and Middle Eastern geo-politics, abhors a vacuum. This seems to be escalating quickly. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7  JohnRussell    2 months ago
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Every single Trump enabler owns it.
 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @7    2 months ago
Every single Trump enabler owns it.

Obama and NATO Own it !

Obama started this "Redline" shit in Syria.....and didn't produce, not Trump !

Obama did turn things over to the Russians.....Thank Goodness ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bbl-1
7.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  It Is ME @7.1    2 months ago

No mr. me.  The GOP congress would not permit the Obama Administration to take further action.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.1    2 months ago
The GOP congress would not permit the Obama Administration to take further action.

Link ?

I've read they just didn't hold a vote on it.

Did Obama get congressional approval to Bomb Libya for Oil ?

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.3  seeder  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @7.1    2 months ago
Obama and NATO Owns it !

Are you serious? Obama is no longer president-- how could you blame him for the pullout?

We had troops there preventing the Turks from attacking-- the fact is, Trump pulled them out and now Turkey is attacking!

(If you want to go back in history,to assess blame for the situation in the Middle East-- why stop with Obama? Why not blame Bush-- or Clinton...maybe Eisenhower? FDR? Or maybe . . . Thomas Jefferson? (and the Barbary Pirates)

How about the French-- Greater Syria was once a French Mandate? Or britain who once ruled areas there and game them independence.

Or-- why not blame The Crusaders for their role in shaping the Mid-east?

Or-- the old reliable standby-- when all else fails, blame.the Jews.

Or...Hillary!

(Heck-- why not blame the ancient Greeks? I know they were in Egypt, but I don't think they made it to Syria?)

Blame anyone in history for the current pullout of American forces that were preventing a Turkish genocide of the Kurds!!!)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.2    2 months ago

Why is Trump doing something that threatens to set thousands of terrorists free? 

I thought he didnt like ISIS. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.5  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.4    2 months ago
Why is Trump doing something that threatens to set thousands of terrorists free

That's the " Theory " put out there anyway. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @7.1.3    2 months ago
Are you serious? Obama is no longer president-- how could you blame him for the pullout?

There can only be a "Finish" if something was "Started".

Obama started this !

Trump is Finishing it !

The bitch should be "ALL ON THE "STARTER" that couldn't "Finish" !

 
 
 
bbl-1
7.1.7  bbl-1  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.2    2 months ago

Link it yourself.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.8  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.7    2 months ago
Link it yourself.

Typical !

Always wanting someone else to do your "Work" ! jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.9  KDMichigan  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.7    2 months ago
Link it yourself.

Typical when asked to produce you have nothing. It was the lead from behind pussy Obama that drew a red line with water soluble marker. His dismissal of ISIS as a JV team. I just love seeing all this progressive neocons. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7.1.10  JohnRussell  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.6    2 months ago
There can only be a "Finish" if something was "Started".

Obama started this !

Trump is Finishing it !

The bitch should be "ALL ON THE "STARTER" that couldn't "Finish" !

I take it that logic is not your favorite thing. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.11  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.10    2 months ago
I take it that logic is not your favorite thing. 

Coming from you that's Hillaryious

 
 
 
bbl-1
7.1.12  bbl-1  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.8    2 months ago

Look mr. me.  McConnel stated that they would stop everything Obama tried.  They did. 

I am not going to put up congressional records for you.  You want them, get them yourself.  Dare not truth mean anything, right?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.13  It Is ME  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.12    2 months ago
You want them, get them yourself.

Still looking for "ME" to do YOUR Job ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.14  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.10    2 months ago
I take it that logic is not your favorite thing.

Quick …... Define LOGIC !

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.15  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @7.1.2    2 months ago

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/tnawa2/key-and-peele-obama-s-meeting-with-republicans

Here is President Obama meeting with the republicans.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
7.1.16  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.15    2 months ago
Here is President Obama meeting with the republicans.  

The spineless coward never did, The only thing he accomplished in 8 years was passing laws for perverts to go into girls bathrooms. The shit stain Obama sure like to say me, me, me, I, I, I, when reading from a teleprompter though.

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.1.17  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.15    2 months ago

hahahaha ….hahaha.....haha....ha..... hmmmmmm jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ronin2
7.1.18  Ronin2  replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.1    2 months ago

Did Obama ask for declaration of war? If so produce the request. Good luck with that one. The answer is Obama never asked Congress for jack shit of anything.

Start with Libya and work your way through his entire extended war on terror. 

Obama inserted US troops, and violated Syrian air space on bombing runs, all in the war on terror. He began arming, training, and protecting Kurd, and "moderate" Sunni rebels who weren't just fighting ISIS/ISIL; but also involved in a civil war against Assad.

Produce the UN Security Council Resolution allowing US involvement in Syria. This isn't even a NATO mission the US is on. Syria has requested that US and Turkish forces leave Syria.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-un-assembly-syria/syria-demands-withdrawal-of-u-s-turkish-forces-warns-of-countermeasures-idUSKBN1WD0JL

Syria’s Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem on Saturday demanded an immediate withdrawal of all U.S. and Turkish troops from his country and warned that Syrian government forces had the right to take countermeasures if they refused.

The United States has around 1,000 troops in Syria tackling Islamic State militants. Turkey has also launched military incursions into northern Syria, targeting Islamic State and Kurdish YPG fighters.

“Any foreign forces operating in our territories without our authorization are occupying forces and must withdraw immediately,” al-Moualem said during an address to the annual gathering of world leaders at the United Nations in New York.

“If they refuse, we have the right to take any and all countermeasures authorized under international law,” he said.

So, if US forces come under sustained attack by Syrian government, Russian, or Iranian troops what then? Start WWIII? Think NATO will support the US- fat chance. Think the UN won't condemn the US. Right, we have no legal reason for being in Syria.

Acting like Trump caused the entire ME mess is just rampant TDDS. It started long before he took office. It will be a mess long after he leaves it.

 
 
 
 
MrFrost
8  MrFrost    2 months ago

So what was the point of increasing military spending by 5.6%? So we can sit back and watch our allies get their asses kicked? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
8.1  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @8    2 months ago

Well, considering we have troops station all over the damn planet; and our "allies" are incapable of defending themselves- we had better bump it up some more. 

Especially considering the newly minted leftist chicken hawks (joining the right chicken hawks) seem to want to go to war with everyone.

This is the reason we can't have things like a state of the art infrastructure, universal healthcare, "free" cradle to grave education, etc, etc, etc.

The US is expected to be the babysitter, and attack dog, for the entire damn planet.

 
 
 
It Is ME
8.2  It Is ME  replied to  MrFrost @8    2 months ago
So we can sit back and watch our allies get their asses kicked? 

Wouldn't it be great if our "Allies" worried about us for a "Change" ?

It's NOT what the United States can do for YOU, It's what YOU can do for the United States !

 
 
 
bbl-1
9  bbl-1    2 months ago

This is the heart and soul of the MAGA fraud.

And the 'recipe for disaster' was spawned by Birtherism and the sea of red MAGA hats that ensued.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 months ago

Wow who knew we had so many Neo-cons on the site.

Shhhhhhhhhhocking!

 
 
 
Ronin2
10.1  Ronin2  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10    2 months ago

Seems Trump can turn anyone into a chicken hawk.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
10.1.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Ronin2 @10.1    2 months ago

How weird can it get, self described liberals who voted for democrats who supported the wars decry immoral imperialism with Bush. Then along comes what we thought was a liberal Obama who campaigned on withdrawing the troops only to learn he too was a Neo-Con War Hawk.

Here comes the Neo-Con Hillary and all the lefties vote for her and now when someone actually takes action and removes troops they become advocates for the Kurdish people.

The Myth of liberals who are actually NeoCon Democrat War Hawks.

Remember when self described liberals defended the invisible redline with the same argument they are arguing against now?

Strange times.....

 
 
 
r.t..b...
10.1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @10.1.1    2 months ago
Strange times.....

Thank goodness we can take solace in the serious tone invoked by our leadership:

"if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey." ~D.J.T.
...giblets.
 
 
 
bbl-1
10.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  r.t..b... @10.1.2    2 months ago

Wonder if Erdogan mentioned to the Trump that he ( Erdogan ) would seize Trump's buildings in Turkey and reveal the 'real reason' Khashoggi was eliminated if the Trump didn't do what he had promised two years ago?

 
 
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