Man, Trump Really Hates the Kurds

  
By:  thrawn-31  •  2 months ago  •  104 comments

Man, Trump Really Hates the Kurds
"They didn't help us in the second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy for example," Trump said.

Neither did you or your family....


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Thrawn 31
1  author  Thrawn 31    2 months ago

This truly breaks my heart. These people fought, and died (far more than we did) for the same cause, and because of a president who is the entire world's bitch, they are being hung out to dry. They weren't at Normandy, but given their bravery and trust in the current fight, they would have gladly been part of the first wave at Omaha. We are turning our backs on the closest and best allies we have in the region, and doing it after they shed their blood for our cause. Can't blame them if they never trust us again. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1    2 months ago

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.1.1  author  Thrawn 31  replied to  Split Personality @1.1    2 months ago

Us or the Kurds?

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.1.1    2 months ago

The Chinese MAGA hat base.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1    2 months ago
Can't blame them if they never trust us again.

I don't think anyone will trust us again, at least not while Trump is at the helm.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.2.1  author  Thrawn 31  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.2    2 months ago

Why should they?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1.2.1    2 months ago

I certainly would not.  I expect to see an increase of violence against Americans living or working overseas.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Thrawn 31 @1    2 months ago

I happen to agree with many on the left here about abandoning the Kurds who did most of the dying for us in this President's successful war against ISIS. That being said, I do find it a bit odd that the same people who never raised a peep when Iraq (a war that was won and handed over to a new administration) was abandoned?  May I ask if your heart was broken when we abandoned the South Vietnamese?

 
 
 
lib50
1.3.1  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago

He is responsible for any resurgence of ISIS and Kurd deaths.  But the worst consequence of this will mean nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the world will trust the US and go with them knowing they can be tossed out like that. This is making a lot of people sick to their stomachs it is such a disgusting betrayal.  A lot of vets going to be pissing on republican graves, my son is absolutely furious, he worked with Kurds on his deployment.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.3.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago

Yes to your question.....  and I was 12 when we left.

The visions of Huey's pulling people off the roof of the American Embassy are still there after all this time.

In 1982 on my first deployment it was my turn.  We were pulling Vietnamese "boat people" out of the water. The Enterprise and her escorts pulled over 200 out of the water during our transit of the South China Sea.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @1.3.1    2 months ago

I get to say that and be consistent. I was against Obama pulling out for the same reasons. Your outrage seems to be reserved for Trump only!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.3.2    2 months ago
Yes to your question.....  and I was 12 when we left.

I was 21 and I may have been fortunate not get called in the draft as it was known in the early 70's. I remember those scenes as well. Your answer tells me you are somewhat consistent. The full answer which I had hoped the author would have responded to requires one to demand that Nixon had done what is now being demanded of Trump.

In other words if you believe that the US stand by its allies, you must demand it consistently.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.3.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to    2 months ago

I think anyone with a draft card was dancing in the streets........ Left and right.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.7  Vic Eldred  replied to    2 months ago

It's been downhill ever since.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago
I happen to agree with many on the left here about abandoning the Kurds who did most of the dying for us in this President's successful war against ISIS. That being said, I do find it a bit odd that the same people who never raised a peep when Iraq (a war that was won and handed over to a new administration) was abandoned?  May I ask if your heart was broken when we abandoned the South Vietnamese?

Where's Europe?  Where's NATO?  Where's the United Nations?  Why is this only about the United States?

The United States abandoning Cambodia was actually worse than abandoning South Vietnam.  In the current situation what is happening to the Kurds parallels what happened to the Cambodians.

So, what would a Democratic President do to confront Turkey?  Would a Democratic President follow Lyndon Johnson's example and escalate the conflict?  Why do we want another Vietnam where the Kurds become a proxy in a geopolitical confrontation between the United States and an ideological adversary?  The United States was politically fighting communism in Vietnam; the United States wasn't fighting North Vietnam.  Vietnam should have taught the United States the lesson that the military simply cannot defeat an ideology.

It seems rather ironic that the United States has been providing humanitarian aid to Turkey to pay for operating Syrian refugee camps.  And the purpose for those refugee camps seems to be about controlling the migration of Syrian refugees to Europe.  Turkey provided air bases for use by the United States for combat missions into Syria.  And Turkey has been the target of a large number of terrorist attacks by ISIS; Turkey has responded with military attacks on ISIS in Syria.  So, Turkey has been an ally of the United States in the fight against ISIS, too.  Both Turkey and the Kurds have been better allies to the United States than has NATO or Europe.

Where's Europe?  Where's NATO?  Where's the United Nations?  Why is this only about the United States?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
1.3.9  Nerm_L  replied to  lib50 @1.3.1    2 months ago
He is responsible for any resurgence of ISIS and Kurd deaths.  But the worst consequence of this will mean nobody, and I mean NOBODY in the world will trust the US and go with them knowing they can be tossed out like that. This is making a lot of people sick to their stomachs it is such a disgusting betrayal.  A lot of vets going to be pissing on republican graves, my son is absolutely furious, he worked with Kurds on his deployment.

The Kurds were fighting ISIS to protect their own territory before the United States became involved.  The Kurds didn't join the United States in the fight against ISIS; it was the United States that joined the Kurds.  

Turkey has been a ally of the United States in the fight against ISIS, too.  

Europe pressed Turkey to hold Syrian refugees in camps on its border, exert more control over the refugee flotillas from Turkey to Greece, and do more to lessen the flow of refugees into Europe.  In fact, Erdogan has threatened Europe with closing the refugee camps and opening the gates for more Syrian refugees migrating into Europe.  Europe is protecting its self interest by turning a blind eye on Turkey's incursion into northern Syria to attack the Kurds.  

If the United States confronts Turkey and the flow of refugees migrating to Europe increases, who will Europe blame?  Europe will be pressing the United States to remove Assad, end the civil war, and stop the flow of refugees to Europe.  But that would put the United States in direct conflict with Russia.  Europe doesn't want to be in direct conflict with Russia; Russia is a trading partner with Europe.

Europe has set the stage for another dirty little war just as they did in Vietnam.  The United States doesn't need to fight another Vietnam.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.3.10  WallyW  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.8    2 months ago
Where's Europe?  Where's NATO?  Where's the United Nations?  Why is this only about the United States?

As if these special forces troops being relegated to guard duty are making all that much difference. If HRC were CiC, this pullout would be labeled as brilliant.

Where the hell are the UN or NATO troops?  This is just another attack on Trump

 
 
 
devangelical
1.3.11  devangelical  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.3.6    2 months ago

I burned my draft card in 73 and started smoking a lot of weed to keep from killing those that were eradicating their domestic political enemies, mostly young white and black males, by prolonging a war we had lost in 68.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Nerm_L @1.3.8    2 months ago

You make all the right points, unfortunately the President has complained about that already and as we all are constantly reminded - he's always wrong.


So, what would a Democratic President do to confront Turkey?

You won't get a response to that one other than by me. Bill Clinton might have looked to arrange a kind of treaty between Turkey and the Kurdish factions. You know how that would go. Obama would simply tell the Kurds what he told the Syrian rebels - "We are with you!  I can only assume that the last minutes of life of a dying Syrian rebel was spent thinking Obama is with me.

Would a Democratic President follow Lyndon Johnson's example and escalate the conflict? 

You mean micro manage the conflict from the oval office. I can see Hillary Clinton doing that. She was a hawk.

Why do we want another Vietnam where the Kurds become a proxy in a geopolitical confrontation between the United States and an ideological adversary?  

We should never repeat Vietnam. If the US gets into a war IT MUST PREVAIL!

The United States was politically fighting communism in Vietnam; the United States wasn't fighting North Vietnam.  Vietnam should have taught the United States the lesson that the military simply cannot defeat an ideology.

The North should have been invaded!!!

 So, Turkey has been an ally of the United States in the fight against ISIS, too.  Both Turkey and the Kurds have been better allies to the United States than has NATO or Europe.

I have to agree. Socialist Europe has depended on the US military since WWII. Those countries no longer have room in their entitlement driven budgets for much military spending. 

Where's Europe?  Where's NATO?  Where's the United Nations?  Why is this only about the United States?

Like the Marshal in the iconic western "High Noon" Trump has taken off the tin star and cast into the sand. Some are simply unworthy of the bravery & sacrifice. Europe fits that category.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.12    2 months ago

Erdogan Threatens To ‘Open the Doors’ to Europe for Refugees if criticisms continue.

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Paula Bartholomew
1.3.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3    2 months ago
President's successful war against ISIS
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Krishna
1.3.15  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.4    2 months ago
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Vic Eldred
1.3.16  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.3.15    2 months ago

My number was in the 300's (my birthday as drawn). I didn't seek any deferment.  

Thanks for the attempted smear

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.17  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.13    2 months ago
Erdogan Threatens To ‘Open the Doors’ to Europe for Refugees if criticisms continue.

Middle Eastern Refugees have already been flooding Europe!

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Krishna
1.3.18  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.16    2 months ago

Thanks for the attempted smear

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Vic Eldred
1.3.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.3.17    2 months ago

Yes, we have watched for a while

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Another street prayer in Paris!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.3.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.13    2 months ago

Vic,

That is almost funny coming from him. He was giving money to ISIS. Now with the prisons not being watched, of course, there will be more "Refugees", mostly ISIS. 

How about we stop giving him his 50 Billion a year plus our war machines? I mean who is wagging the dog?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.21  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.3.20    2 months ago
How about we stop giving him his 50 Billion a year plus our war machines?

You mean expel Turkey from NATO? Maybe that should have been done when he dismantled all of Turkey's democratic process?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.22  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.21    2 months ago
You mean expel Turkey from NATO? Maybe that should have been done when he dismantled all of Turkey's democratic process?

There are people who feel that Turkey should be expelled from NATO-- but its a tough call.

Here are few resources on Twitter (I am book marking them as a good source for items to seed on NT):

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 #turkeyoutofnato --> LINK

See also

#boycotturkey  --->      LINK

#TurkeyIsNotOurFriend ---> LINK

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.3.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  Krishna @1.3.22    2 months ago

I'm not defending what the President did nor am I defending what Turkey did. The last two American Presidents have but one thing in common - they were both bewildered with how to get out of the middle east. Turkey joined NATO because it shared a border with the Soviet Union. They are now a well armed full fledged member of NATO. The problem for them is the nasty neighborhood on their southern border. That's the way to look at it.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.3.24  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lib50 @1.3.1    2 months ago

Thank your son from me (ret Army) for his service.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.3.25  cjcold  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.3.6    2 months ago

My draft card says IH and I was in college during the escape from Saigon.

Had friends that didn't come back and friends who came back forever changed. 

I marched against Nam and still have my framed draft card (didn't burn it).

Have trained many soldiers in the martial arts and don't feel hypocritical.

Nam was a stupid war that we couldn't win no matter the evening body count on TV. 

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.26  Krishna  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.3.23    2 months ago
The problem for them is the nasty neighborhood on their southern border. That's the way to look at it.

As well as their neighbour just a bit south of that (Israel).

 
 
 
bbl-1
2  bbl-1    2 months ago

More Trumpian crap.  Hell, at least ten cities are considering suing Trump for failure to pay for the security provided for his ' rallies. '

As far as the Kurds--or anyone else for that matter.  To somehow get into a position where you have dealings or contact with 'The Stable Genius Trump', in the end you will be burned.

More importantly.  Putin smiles.  American prestige loses.  And the Trump will never be forced to testify under oath.  The curse of MAGA is now America's curse.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  bbl-1 @2    2 months ago

Any city allowing a rally should demand money up front knowing his penchant for not paying his bills and screwing vendors over.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3  Buzz of the Orient    2 months ago

What's the next brilliant thing he's going to do?  Hang Israel out to dry as well?  Maybe not, because there were Jews who died on the Normandy beaches. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.1  author  Thrawn 31  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

Like he gives a shit, there are more Neo-Nazis that support him than Jews so fuck the Jews. 

His line of thinking is not hard. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1    2 months ago

Like he gives a shit, there are more Neo-Nazis that support him 

And he's grateful for their support!

The Neo-nazis were big fans of this sleaze-bag from the get-go:

David Duke: Trump win a great victory for 'our people'

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke is calling Donald Trump's electoral victory "one of the most exciting nights of my life."

Duke, a white nationalist who unsuccessfully ran for Louisiana Senate,   tweeted   early Wednesday that his supporters played a major part in paving Trump's road to the presidency.

"Make no mistake about it, our people have played a HUGE role in electing Trump!" he wrote.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

Well, Buzz, you do know our good friends the Turks have just about chased out every Jew from their country. The few that are left are being treated like second class citizens, which is why so many of them have moved to Isreal.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago
What's the next brilliant thing he's going to do?  Hang Israel out to dry as well?

I'm sure that now that our sleazebag fuhrer has stabbed one of our best allies in the back, other allies are thinking the same thing. Allies-- and potential allies-- are now having second thoughts about risking their live in hopes that the U.S. will stick to its word (about backing them up).

In fact, I came across that notion in an article 2 days ago:

Israelis Watch U.S. Abandon Kurds, and Worry: Who’s Next?

(Actually I had wanted to seed it but couldn't-- I could only see the headline as the site informed me that I had "used up my free articles for the month"  Maybe someone else can seed it?)

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.3    2 months ago

Strange-- I just clicked on that link and now it lets me gain access-- I will see if I can seed that article.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3    2 months ago

Buzz.... If there is a Trump property in Israel, then there is nothing to worry about.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.4    2 months ago

Israel named a neighbourhood after him, and there is a big sign that says "Trump", but he doesn't own it.

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FLYNAVY1
3.4.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.1    2 months ago

50:50 proposition then Buzz!

 
 
 
Krishna
3.4.3  Krishna  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.1    2 months ago

 a big sign that says "Trump", 

But then there's this...something that certainly wouldn't endear Erdogan towards the Jewish state:

Iraq bans Israeli flags after Kurds wave them at independence rallies

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Iraqi Kurds fly an Israeli flag and Kurdish flags during an event to urge people to vote in the upcoming independence referendum in Erbil, the capital of the autonomous Kurdish region of northern Iraq, on September 16, 2017. (AFP/Safin Hamed)

The Iraqi parliament voted on Tuesday to criminalize the flying of Israeli flags after the banners were held aloft at a number of Kurdish independence rallies ahead of a referendum in September.

Israel has been among the only countries to openly support an independent Kurdish state , and many Kurds have welcomed the support , drawing accusations from Arab leaders that the referendum was a Zionist plot.( Link)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4  FLYNAVY1    2 months ago

Every drop of Kurdish blood is now on Trumps hands...... and unfortunately ours.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4    2 months ago

99 percent his.

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     2 months ago

Disgusting is an understatement.

His comment is devoid of any knowledge it something a 5-year-old would say. 

Turkey didn't help us at Normandy in fact Turkey finally entered WWII in Feb. 1945 and never were engaged in any combat. They were to busy suppressing the Kurds to help. 

The one thing that the Turks did do was fight against us in WWI...Perhaps the stable genius should talk to the Aussies and Kiwis. They certainly could give him a history lesson on Turkey.

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago

During WWI the Turks were also very busy killing Armenians. It's called the Armenian Genocide. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
5.1.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Kavika @5.1    2 months ago

How does anyone justify this action Kavika.....?

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.2  Kavika   replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.1.1    2 months ago
How does anyone justify this action Kavika.....?

You can't justify it but Trump will try as can be seen in his ignorant comments. 

There have been five (5) generations of Trumps in the US...NONE has ever served a day in the military in their lives. 

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.3  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @5.1.1    2 months ago
How does anyone justify this action Kavika.....?

Well, there are several people commenting on NT as we speak-- who are jumping through hoops in their attempts to justify it..You can read their comments in several articles on the subject.

(One rather stupid strategy I've seen here is calling other NT users names-- accusing the people who say the U.S. should remain in Syria of being . . . "neo-cons"!

(The phrase "stuck on stupid" comes to mind).

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 months ago
There have been five (5) generations of Trumps in the US...NONE has ever served a day in the military in their lives. 

Thanks for posting that..I hadn't known that is was 5 generations!

(I was okly thinking of one--n "Dear Leader" and his bones spurs).

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
5.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Krishna @5.1.3    2 months ago

They just prove their ignorance Krishna. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
5.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 months ago
There have been five (5) generations of Trumps in the US...NONE has ever served a day in the military in their lives.

There are millions and millions and millions of U.S. citizens that haven't either. 

Your Point ?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @5.1.2    2 months ago

I thought it was just 4....Daddy dearest....trump stain.....his demented progeny and theirs.

 
 
 
Kavika
5.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.7    2 months ago

Trump's dad and grandfather as well.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @5.1.8    2 months ago

I forgot about the grandfather...ty.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @5.1.8    2 months ago

His father is who I meant by daddy dearest.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @5    2 months ago

Turkey is good with him because of his hotel there.  If there were no hotel, Turkey would get no support from him.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    2 months ago

This article illustrates exactly how the United States ends up in these endless conflicts. We expect our young sons and daughters to put their lives on the line over and over when history shows our efforts never yield the results we expected.

The Neo-con insanity continues to plague even those who spend 340 days out of each year proclaiming their antiwar positions on this forum.

The Middle East is an area we should avoid at all costs. 

Don't be selfish, don't ask our kids to do it! Want to save kurds, get a plane ticket and a rifle and have at it. Good luck Rambo!

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1  It Is ME  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago
The Middle East is an area we should avoid at all costs.

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It's a "Never ending story" anyway !

 
 
 
MUVA
6.2  MUVA  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago

Hey it’s only 5 of our soldiers killed this year what’s the big deal well there family’s and friends think it’s a big deal.I would like to know how many people actually know someone over there or have a family member there.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @6.2    2 months ago
Hey it’s only 5 of our soldiers killed this year what’s the big deal well there family’s and friends think it’s a big deal.I would like to know how many people actually know someone over there or have a family member there.

Hey, that is what they signed up for fully knowing what they were getting into. I feel badly for the families, but there is a national security situation in that area. 

And what about the 12 killed in Afghanistan? Why not pull out of there? 

 
 
 
MUVA
6.2.2  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.2.1    2 months ago

Nobody signs up to die have you been in combat are you speaking from experience?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago

I don't know what you don't get.  We had a stable situation there. We had minimal troops helping thousands of Kurd allies watch our prisoners. Then for no obvious reason, (other than our president having big business in Turkey), decided to pull out and destablize the entire area. 

You want out of the M/E, the if should have been the endless mess in Afganastan where thousands of troops are. But noooo..  

Don't be selfish, don't ask our kids to do it! Want to save kurds, get a plane ticket and a rifle and have at it. Good luck Rambo!

Last time I checked we have a volunteer armed forces. No one forced them to join and they know the current world affairs. Maybe the selfish ones are those who are willing to let genocide happen all over again with a country that invented the word.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.3.1  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.3    2 months ago
Last time I checked we have a volunteer armed forces. No one forced them to join and they know the current world affairs. Maybe the selfish ones are those who are willing to let genocide happen all ov

Last time I checked that was for National Defense which doesn't include the Middle East as we are not under the threat of an invasion. When Iran attacks California or New York via invasion let me Know, I'll support that war.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.3.3  Krishna  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.3.1    2 months ago
Last time I checked that was for National Defense which doesn't include the Middle East

Does it include France?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.3.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.3.1    2 months ago

Well ty so much for hoping that my state gets invaded. Buh bye fishie.

 
 
 
pat wilson
6.3.5  pat wilson  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6.3.1    2 months ago
When Iran attacks California or New York via invasion let me Know, I'll support that war.

Gee, that's so sweet. /s

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.3.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.3.4    2 months ago

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Sunshine
6.4  Sunshine  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago
he Middle East is an area we should avoid at all costs. 

The Middle East has been unstable for generations.  Nothing we do seems to change anything.  Personally I am sick of it all. Have been for 30 years.  Our soldiers die or injured and nothing ever changes with those people.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.5  Krishna  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago

This article illustrates exactly how the United States ends up in these endless conflicts. We expect our young sons and daughters to put their lives on the line over and over when history shows our efforts never yield the results we expected.

The Middle East is an area we should avoid at all costs. 

At this point you may be wondering why no one believes you're sincere.

So I'll tell you.

You keep praising Trump for taking steps to end "the endless wars in The Middle East"-- because he wants to withdraw 1000 troops from Syria. Are you serious?

Its obvious you're just playing partisan politics, and looking for an issue!

How do we know this? Because you've now made quite a few comments parising Trump's withdrawal of a small number of troops from Syria as evidence he wants to end those endkless wars-- yet no mention of Afghanistan (the longest war in our history).

And yet-- you obsess about Syria-- but no mention of Trump's polocies towards Saudi Arabia:

since May, the US has sent an additional 14,000 members of the armed forces into the region.  

But despite that-- yesterday Trump announced he's sending in another 3000!!: 

US To Send 3,000 Troops To Saudi Arabia

And you wonder why people don't believe your comments about how "Trump is getting us out ouf endless wars in The Middle East"

(Or..perhaps you think S. Arabia isn't in the Middle East???)

 
 
 
MUVA
6.5.1  MUVA  replied to  Krishna @6.5    2 months ago

Is there a war in saudi Arabia I don't know about?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh @6    2 months ago

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WallyW
7  WallyW    2 months ago

So those minimal troops helping those thousands of Kurds makes all that much difference??

Doesn't seem all that logical. We should not continue to have troops on the ground in that region

Where's all our European allies?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @7    2 months ago
So thoseminimal troopshelping thosethousandsof Kurds makes all that much difference??

Yes because it allowed the Kurds to watch over the prisoners and to get stray ones without our troops being put in harm's way. I don't get what you don't get.. or is it that you don't want to get it?

We shouldnot continueto have troops on the ground in that region

The whole purpose of having troops is to put them where they are needed. We have a small force on the ground in Syria. We have thousands more in Afghanistan where they have been since 0/11. If you want troops off the ground, it should have been there, not Syria where it poses a danger to the US. 

 
 
 
WallyW
7.1.1  WallyW  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1    2 months ago
or is it that you don't want to get it?
What's that supposed to mean?
Can't those Kurds do the guarding themselves?
Or are American troops there simply as a "tripwire", such as they are in the Korean DMZ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.2  It Is ME  replied to  WallyW @7    2 months ago
Where's all our European allies?

You'll only get comments on what the U.S. should do on this matter. Nothing More !   jrSmiley_22_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  WallyW @7    2 months ago

Go do the research yourself Wally...… They are there!

 
 
 
WallyW
7.3.1  WallyW  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3    2 months ago

You seem to be saying that that the lives of Kurds are more valuable than those of Americans

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.3.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3    2 months ago
They are there!

And relying on the US to do everything.  Just like they do in Afghanistan.  Hiding in the background while OUR soldiers put their asses on the line.  And for what?  

We should have never gotten involved in Syria.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.3.2    2 months ago

We should have never gotten involved in Syria.

Any chance you were thinking/speaking differently back when we were subjected to videos of executions at the hands of ISIS?

And to educate you a bit more Jeremy.... Here is the current list of Coalition casualties from Afghanistan.  Hide in the background...?  No asses on the line....?   Try another line of thinking.

23px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg.png USA : 2,313 *
23px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.png   UK : 456
23px-Flag_of_Canada_%28Pantone%29.svg.pn   Canada : 157 *
23px-Flag_of_France.svg.png   France : 90
23px-Flag_of_Germany.svg.png   Germany : 57
23px-Flag_of_Italy.svg.png   Italy : 53
23px-Flag_of_Poland.svg.png   Poland : 44 [2]
20px-Flag_of_Denmark.svg.png   Denmark : 43
23px-Flag_of_Australia_%28converted%29.s   Australia : 41
23px-Flag_of_Spain.svg.png   Spain : 35 *
23px-Flag_of_Georgia.svg.png   Georgia : 32
23px-Flag_of_Romania.svg.png   Romania : 26
23px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png   Netherlands : 25
23px-Flag_of_Turkey.svg.png   Turkey : 15
23px-Flag_of_the_Czech_Republic.svg.png   Czech Republic : 14
23px-Flag_of_New_Zealand.svg.png   New Zealand : 10
21px-Flag_of_Norway.svg.png   Norway : 10
23px-Flag_of_Estonia.svg.png   Estonia : 9
23px-Flag_of_Hungary.svg.png   Hungary : 7
23px-Flag_of_Sweden.svg.png   Sweden : 5
23px-Flag_of_Latvia.svg.png   Latvia : 4
23px-Flag_of_Slovakia.svg.png   Slovakia : 3
23px-Flag_of_Finland.svg.png   Finland : 2
23px-Flag_of_Jordan.svg.png   Jordan : 2
23px-Flag_of_Portugal.svg.png   Portugal : 2
23px-Flag_of_South_Korea.svg.png   South Korea : 2
21px-Flag_of_Albania.svg.png   Albania : 1
23px-Flag_of_Belgium_%28civil%29.svg.png   Belgium : 1

23px-Flag_of_Croatia.svg.png   Croatia : 1
23px-Flag_of_Lithuania.svg.png   Lithuania : 1
23px-Flag_of_Montenegro.svg.png   Montenegro : 1

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.4  FLYNAVY1  replied to  WallyW @7.3.1    2 months ago
You don't seem to understand the value and actions of the Kurds in protecting Americans both in Syria and in the United States.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.3.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.3    2 months ago

What do the asterisks designate?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.3.5    2 months ago

I can't say for sure Buzz.  Here is the entire Wiki where I found the data.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_casualties_in_Afghanistan

Happy Friday BTW.

 
 
 
JBB
7.3.7  JBB  replied to  WallyW @7.3.1    2 months ago

You do not seem to understand that without reliable allies a lot more Americans would have died in just about every war America has ever been in. Without the French we probably would not have won our independence. Without allies we surely would not have won WW1 or WW2. A good case could be made that without allies we all might be dead or have never even been born. America did not used to just abandon our allies because...we need allies! 

 
 
 
WallyW
7.3.8  WallyW  replied to  JBB @7.3.7    2 months ago

protecting Americans both in Syria and in the United States.

How do the Kurds protect Americans in the US.

Turkey and the US are formal allies, who should we support, them or the Kurds?

 
 
 
JBB
7.3.9  JBB  replied to  WallyW @7.3.8    2 months ago

A resurgent ISIS is a threat to world peace and we should have stood with our allies the Kurds in the fight against ISIS...

But, don't ask me. Ask the 55% of Americans who think Trump deserves impeachment according to a recent Fox News Poll...

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.3.10  It Is ME  replied to  JBB @7.3.9    2 months ago
A resurgent ISIS is a threat to world peace and we should have stood with our allies the Kurds in the fight against ISIS...

I thought we did !

 
 
 
1stwarrior
7.3.11  1stwarrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.3    2 months ago

OK Fly - you've opened the door.

The  First Barbary War  (1801–1805), also known as the  Tripolitanian War  and the  Barbary Coast War , was the first of two  Barbary Wars , in which the United States and Sweden fought against the four North African states known collectively as the " Barbary States ". Three of these were nominal provinces of the  Ottoman Empire , but in practice autonomous:  Tripoli Algiers , and  Tunis . The fourth was the independent  Sultanate of Morocco . [5]

The cause of the U.S. participation was pirates from the Barbary States seizing American merchant ships and holding the crews for ransom, demanding the U.S. pay tribute to the Barbary rulers. United States President  Thomas Jefferson  refused to pay this tribute.  Sweden  had been at war with the Tripolitans since 1800.

Our first "conflict" in the ME was due to seizure and ransom of American citizens and American naval vessels  - that was the cause and a very just cause indeed.

Since then, the U.S. has been involved in conflicts in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc., etc., etc., - none of which involved seizing American personnel nor Naval Vessels.

Someone in our great administrations has decided that the U.S. is going to be the "POLICE" force for the world, even when there is NO REASON for the U.S. to be involved in internal international conflicts between warring countries/nations.

Look at your list - the UK, who pretty much started this whole ME angst because of their desire to be the world power, is the only other country who is placing more of their personnel than any other Euro country in harm's way 'cause they believe they still OWN the ME (you know, that colonial rule thingy).

NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization - is a treaty that was signed by Twelve  countries who  were part of the founding of  NATO : Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom, and the United States. In 1952, Greece and Turkey became members of the Alliance, joined later by West Germany (in 1955) and Spain (in 1982).

You'll note that all of the above listed countries are in the North Atlantic - Turkey is not, and Greece is questionable.  Of those countries, the U.S. has FIVE TIMES the amount of personnel in AFGHANISTAN - WHY??????   WHY??????  WHY??????

None of the ME countries have attacked the U.S. - except Syria and Saudi Arabia on 9/11 (and we just luv those two to pieces).  The U.S. has NO DOG IN THIS HUNT OR FIGHT - NONE.

Right now, the three worst and most aggressive countries in the world are Russia, China and the U.S. - nobody likes us but they LUV our money, money, money.

We have no dog is this fight and need to come home and shut the frick up.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.3.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.6    2 months ago

If you can believe it, China must have banned Wiki. I was using it until about a year ago. I don't care that they banned google (except I lost my gmail), twitter and Facebook, but I had used used Wiki a lot.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.3.13  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.3    2 months ago

Turks are on the move looking to take control of 90,000 square miles of northern Syria.

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Turkish light infantry is leading the advance

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.3.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.3    2 months ago
Any chance you were thinking/speaking differently back when we were subjected to videos of executions at the hands of ISIS?

Nope.  

And to educate you a bit more Jeremy.... Here is the current list of Coalition casualties from Afghanistan. 

I know who's there.  Been there, done that.  4 times.  And your list doesn't change the fact that after 18 years the Afghani military can't do a damn thing on their own.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.3.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3    2 months ago

Wally research?jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.16  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.13    2 months ago

So what's your point?  Those that have bled for us to destroy ISIS are now being butchered because of our pullout.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.17  FLYNAVY1  replied to  1stwarrior @7.3.11    2 months ago

Ours was the first domino to drop 1st...… Trump changed the status quo by pulling out our troops exposing both the Kurds and a landgrab by the Turks.  That move destabilized the situation.

Our dog in the fight is/was the Kurds.

Now what do we do about the 50 Tac-Nukes in Turkey?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.3.18  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.16    2 months ago
So what's your point?

As I have stated elsewhere  - I am against the abandonment of the Kurds. Though I know that Erdogan made up his mind a long time ago and I also know that a lot of this outrage we are hearing from those who were ok with the US pullout from Iraq and were the same people who wanted Al Qaeda prisoners put on trial in US courts is simply because of who made the decision.

For those concerned there is some consolation:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/kurds-and-syrian-government-forces-to-fight-side-by-side-against-turkey-20191014-p530bs.html

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.3.19  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.18    2 months ago

What's happened to us Vic?

Korea, we stood by, and are still standing by in that country.

Vietnam.... we already discussed our distaste for that one.

In reflection of the current situation it has once again become crystal clear that the seeds of the next war are sewn by the last peace.

 
 
 
Sunshine
7.3.20  Sunshine  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.19    2 months ago
Korea, we stood by, and are still standing by in that country.

How many American soldiers are currently dying in Korea and Vietnam?

 
 
 
Kavika
7.3.21  Kavika   replied to  Sunshine @7.3.20    2 months ago

If you're talking about incursions by the north the number of Americans that have died since the armistice is 90.  

The DMZ and the roughly 30,000 US troops stationed Korea are a tripwire and hopefully a deterrent to the north.

Yeah so it is a hot spot, so to speak. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.3.22  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.3.19    2 months ago
What's happened to us Vic?

Unfortunately, it goes back to what Gen MacArthur said about serving those temporary occupants of the White House.

 
 
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