Schiff Shifts To Telling Lies In Senate
It was bad enough when Schiff lied in his personal witch hunt headquarters in the House Intelligence Committee Chambers in the House of Representatives, in the press, and now in the Senate too, but here is the one that probably will be the most damning to his cause of all:
The blowback was swift, and several awing Senators took particular umbrage to the rumor he is spreading. Take for instance the reaction from Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine who said:
Not only have I never heard the ‘head on the pike’ line but also I know of no Republican senator who has been threatened in any way by anyone in the administration," she told reporters.
She was not alone in her criticism either, and one of the people who put it most succinctly was Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo. His reply was:
No Republican senator has been told that. What he has proven to all of us is, he is capable of falsehoods and will tell it to the country. And would tell it to us when we are sitting in the Senate chamber. When every one of us knows it is not true.
We even have a Democrat Senator, Sen. Joe Manchin, W.Va, got in a word on the rumor being spread by Schiff:
That could have been left out, that's for sure.
Yes Joe, unfounded rumors of hearsay being spread by Schiff should be left out, but without them, there would be no impeachment hearing in the first place. You see, in any trial, evidence must be based on provable facts, Currently, this entire schrade is based on rumors and innuendo. Until that changes, it will be really hard to convince anyone, Senator or otherwise, to vote "Guilty" for an impeachable offense. At this point, the more Schiff keeps running his mouth, the deeper he is digging the hole for his fellow Democrats.
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Schiff said that CBS news had reported that Senators had been warned: Vote against the President and your head will be on a pike.
Here is a link to that report:
So since the CBS report says EXACTLY what Schiff said is said, HOW did he lie?
Nothing like using "Twit"....to make a point.
There's a reason that "Twitter" is named after "Bird" language.
It all sounds like nothing more than "Tweet, Tweet, Tweet" to humans.
Numerous Republican's have refuted the claim and labeled it a lie.
Now did he or did he not say it?
Obviously he did since it is in the linked video.
Ergo, he lied! AGAIN!
Well they SHOULD have said that the CBS report was a lie, NOT Schiff's statement. Mistaken statements by 'numerous Republicans' is proof or NOTHING other than faux outrage.
I'm not refuting the fact that Schiff made the comment, I am refuting that it is a LIE.
Yep seen it. Still not a lie.
No he didn't and AGAIN, your dots don't connect.
Now, unless hypocrisy is going on here, the actual lies Trump's lawyers stated in the well of the Senate should garner some outcry from you and those 'numerous Republicans' too. I'll wait for that outcry but won't hold my breath.
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How do you know that there is no basis in fact in the CBS report?
Because Republicans are denying it? You know that's HEARSAY information right?
Thanks!!
Who said that loki?
Do you have a point?
Oh wait...
LoL, you are indeed a peach. Bless your heart!
No worries here then because I'm no fan of the man Donald J. Trump. but I am a fan of some of his policies, To wit:
...and a few others. I also disagree with him on some things, but that list, at least for now is shorter.
Do you know what else I am a fan of? The Law! We have a system in place that protects us from being convicted of crimes that people think we committed, but can't prove. Yes, there is such a thing as "circumstantial evidence" that can get people convicted and locked away for life. I'm not a big fan of it for good reason ! Having been on the receiving end of the so-called Justice system where the rule of Law is NOT followed, where an overzealous prosecutor bent the rules and refused exonerating evidence in front of a biased judge to make me pay a far larger penalty than I should have, I tend to get upset when I see the same thing taking place somewhere else.
Are you a fan of the Law? Do you believe people are innocent until proven guilty?
I think you are. And I hope that you, like me, need a lot more than just a case built on one persons speculation of intent to prove guilt. Purpua laid it out pretty well yesterday. Fast forward to about 31 minutes into the video to see what I mean.
I haven't seen progress in any of these areas. If you have proof of progress, please provide verifiable links so that I can make my own informed opinion.
Exactly, and some are contradictory. Cut taxes and rebuild infrastructure? Where do folks think we get the money to rebuild infrastructure?
Placing unqualified family members and donors in government positions, including nominating them as Cabinet secretaries, is the very opposite of "draining the swamp".
Anyone who thinks Trump has cleaned out the swamp in DC is not a reliable commentator on current events.
as whole
in parts, could/would B another nom, no ?
Apparently I am behind in my reading. What trade deals were those?
infrasture (sic) will take some cuts in subsidies to pay for them.
Will take? Then we shouldn't be including them in the 'done' column, should we?
I have enjoyed my tax cuts all 112,000 worth
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There is no progress in any of those areas.
Notice the republicans are not out claiming any victory on the China trade deal as it was really no deal.
Saying ending the wars as he sends more troops over there...
Notice that all the conservative people that post here are very wealthy and had massive gains from the tax cuts...uh huh.
He may be draining the swamp yet he is now making it a toxic waste dump.
Did you READ them? They are exactly what we already had. He gained nothing and cost thousands of people there jobs in the process, that's not, "WINNING!!".
trump...create a crisis...resolve self made crisis (with basically what we had before)...claim victory.
republicans...see, this is why we love trump, he is working for us...
And then they wonder why some people call it the cult of trump.
Of course not. I bet you didn't even see when Pelosi tried to grab some of the credit for what you've missed.
By eliminating wasteful spending and by quitting trying to buy the love of the people who hate us for interfering uninvited in their countries.
I haven't claimed he has, after all, Pelosi is still there isn't she? Just one of 536 examples.
So no taxes have been cut ? No wall sections have been built ? No one has tried to hire more BP Agents ? Military spending hasn't increased ? NAFTA hasn't been replaced ?
Really? Could have fooled me that attempts aren't being made/accomplished...despite the opposition faced!
I'm sure he discusses that en route to Mar-A-Lago.
Why everyone thinks tax cuts are a good thing is beyond me. I guess debt is no longer a consideration.
Having more corporations being able to zero out their taxes is just wonderful...
Stopping the building/upgrading of needed things in the military just to transfer the funds to a wall does not sound like supporting the military, but do say how it is a good thing...
Increased spending does not necessarily go when and where needed. Isn't it a conservative mantra that increased spending does not solve problems?
Now all the sudden the military is so much better just because of more of a cash flow...
Funny how massive spending is only a concern when the other party is in charge.
Why in the fuck is it so hard to make people understand that Corporations DO NOT PAY TAXES--WE DO! Every tax you put on them is passed on to the Consumer, so go ahead, KEEP BEGGING TO PAY MORE TAX!
Do you read the news at all? Do you watch anything, I mean besides Bill Maher? The money taken out for the wall was nothing compared to the actual increase in spending!
As to where the money goes--beyond buying more bombs and bullets, it goes to developing new technology to better protect our troops, whether it is developing new armor, enhancing the actual soldier with mecha technology, or building new warships. Yes! In this case more money is building a better military!
Just as much as Obama did on the way to Hawaii and France I'm sure...
Weekly, for months at a stretch?
Remind me, please. Did Obama own properties in Hawaii or France at which he charged his necessary entourage to stay?
Who got the permanent reduced tax cut, Corporations, or People Too ?
Did they pass that on to consumers or their share holders who don't share what the tax breaks gave, in an overabundant disproportion, to those WHO ALREADY HAVE.
I've read up to 80% of hte tax cuts will be benefitting only the richest few, but thats all OK with You ?
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There are barracks that won't be renovated due to some fools gold and dream of a shower to wash off all the shit stuck to his wall that MEXICO was to pay for while he locked up Clinton for being guilty of the innocence he can't buy, the truth that he must LIE, to subservant followers of a mental midget that pies up pipers with holes in the argument for flutes lost at band camp for their width is without, a doubt a cranny riddled cracked bell rung on the latter to traverse the amazing wall, so remote to fill with Crocks and snakes to shake at the world as his rattling of sabres shores up the damn dikes with Tigers Blood and Adonis skinny jeans he'll never fit in, as he is an outcast, who has only been able to last, due to the blind defenders that will see only what they can't past, and the reflection will be an image they refuse to imagine, as when allk of this is displayed by hers, or his story,
it is gonna be gory.
.
But defend the offensive without an equal, cause 4 you,
there won't be a sequel,
as History will show how little you think and know, as you don't
real eyes what you can't see ya later
Why is it so hard to understand that giving corporations a free pass is not solving anything.
Next you are going to tell me that giving low level employees a raise would raise the price of all goods.
Basically you make it sound like corporations blackmailed the government and the people saying make us pay less or you all will pay more.
And the divide grows....
Funny that you admonished another poster for backhanded comments yet you are doing the same.
As far as the military, do you actually think things cannot be done with an over 700 billion price tag?
Hell China didn't even spend 200 billion and they seem to be outpacing us.
and for some,
it is the Rule.
Wow. Nice.
I can guarantee you that what a landlord pays in taxes is no where near even 1/3 of what they make.
Of course they pay what you pay in taxes and beyond.
So you are going to tell me that if your taxes went up by five to ten dollars a month you would raise rent.
Gas lighting is not only done by one around here...
Beyond that, just greed.
Many commercial leases call for the tenant to pay all property taxes on the space they lease.
Sure, the landlord is billed in their name, but the tenant pays the taxes.
Like I said...and more.
Stop acting like they don't make a profit, or wouldn't just because of taxes.
People would pay more because of greed. If the rental property stayed empty then guess what. They would lower the rent or sell it to get out of it.
conservatives use to believe in a thing called supply and demand. Not demand and blame.
These kind of comments do nothing but perpetuate the problems faced. It is basically giving ever increasing greed a pass and putting the blame on the lower tier.
Until people get tired of status quo, it will remain.
It is almost like fear mongering... You pay taxes now and if I have to pay more, so will you....
Whoa, there, cowboy! There isn't one thing in my post that would lead anyone to think I said anything or "pretended" anything at all about profit-making. Chill out dude.
Pay more because of greed? WTF? No one is forcing anyone to rent anything. They are more than free to invest their own money on rental property if they so choose, and charge according to what the market will bear.
Here is what I wrote--exactly.
Many commercial leases call for the tenant to pay all property taxes on the space they lease.
Sure, the landlord is billed in their name, but the tenant pays the taxes.
I have no earthly idea what you think you read, but the bulk of your comment seems very disjointed in any way, shape or form from what I actually wrote.
Do you have any relevant comment to my actual post? Do you dispute it in any way?
Playing coy is not your forte.
One of two things going on here.
One has read the thread and knows what is going on but had no real response so just uses a fall back position
or
One just jumps into conversations without knowing any context.
So....
Good points. You are correct here.
Or Martha’s Vineyard...
Yes, raises are passed along to the consumer as well via increased pricing. ALL business expenses are passed along to the Consumer. So raise taxes, raise wages, force them to provide insurance, whatever you want...to pay for!
The ONLY way to get a piece of the pie from Corporations without affecting price is by taxing the income of those receiving the profits.
Or, one pretends someone states something and then argues that instead of what is written.
Very lazy and dishonest.
So why does the 'president' use Twitter ALL THE TIME?
My point is, it doesn't have to. Corporate tax revenue fell 30%.
Corporations are raking in millions upon millions of dollars.
You can't tell me that when a CEO is making (and some do) 50 mil a year, that a small raise in taxes would automatically have to be passed on to the consumer. The way our system is set up some corporations are making billions in profit while effectively getting a refund.
Corps still have trillions in off shore accounts.
They can afford the cost, they just don't want to and don't have to.
And you are making enough of a profit that you can continue the cycle and buy more property.
I don't know how we devolved from federal taxes to property taxes but the fact remains. Paying taxes did not bust your business and you have the means and made enough profit to continue to purchase and make more money.
Getting a smaller tax bill would only decrease revenue to services needed.
Meanwhile I don't see when a company gets a lower tax base, that prices fall.
Sealion someone else.
Stuff it!
like a Turkey ?
That;s fowl Tex
I look at stocks as a gamble. I am not a fan of people's retirement funds being hinged on playing the market. During the last recession, some people lost almost everything.
Although,
No corporation paying a CEO that amount of money pays what we call "small amounts" when it comes to tax increases. You have to realize that they pay accounts to AVOID paying taxes whenever possible so a "small tax increase" of several hundreds of thousands of dollars (small by their standards) would be enough to hire MORE accounts to find ways to dodge paying those taxes AND save money in the process.
NOW you are starting to get the picture!
Go after the 50 million that CEO made, and he'll just get a raise, that is a business expense, which will get passed along to consumers.
Go after the DIVIDENDS paid to the Stock holders, and now you have something that Corporations can do nothing about! TAX THE DIVIDENDS! Doesn't affect the operating costs or the profitability of the corporations, it only affects those who are doing nothing but gambling...
Government bonds if they want security. Best thing to do is have a balanced portfolio that will weather ups and downs in the Market and make money to cover losses in a Bear Market while making money in a Bull Market.
Some corps don't actually make anything that would have to be passed down to consumers.
Even if they do, take Deere for instance. Like I posted above they made billions in profit.
They could well afford to pay taxes instead of getting a refund without adding to their final cost of product.
And if they keep adding to the cost of said product, the consumer could/would stop buying.
We are letting them dictate how things will be.
They could, but they won't. As a matter of fact, when they feel charitable, instead of paying more in taxes, they donate to charities. Why? Because they get a free boost in PR, and a tax deduction in the process!
Nope! Their competitors are doing the exact same thing when taxes go up, so there is no real change in pricing by either one. It isn't like just ONE business will face a tax increase, all of them will. In march the accounts who will plug the new numbers into their profit-margin algorithm, and up go the prices across the board. Now it is true that it won't all happen at the same exact time, but it will happen pretty quickly. For the space of a few days or a few months max, that widget might be cheaper at Costco than at Sam's, but sooner or later, Costco will raise its price too.
hilarious results always ensue when republicans break out their lie detectors
I bet! Especially when they are running inside the halls of Congress. I bet no matter which Party is speaking, the entire graph paper is black. I'm convinced that only liars are considered for political office to begin with.
Not sure why the YouTube video of Schiffs remarks did not embed properly. I guess I'll have to talk to IT about that, lol! Anyway, I provided the link to the CSPAN video on YouTube so you can hear and see him spreading the rumor.
Does this comment really belong in an article purporting to be excoriating lying?
ROFLMFAO! After watching just 2 hours of the shredding of Schifty Schiftt, this is going to be the biggest destruction of the Democratic Party Leaders EVER!
Even CNN in it's after broadcast commentary is agreeing that the only way to lose this case is his lawyers make a huge misstep. Keep praying John; I don't see it happening!
It was a sight to behold! All 3 lawyers presented factual evidence, which the Schiff/Nadler mob weren't able to do.
After the session, I watched Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY) give an interview. He said that what TV viewers couldn't see were the facial expressions and body language of the House Managers. He said that they were frowning and squirming as Cippollone, Sekulow, and Philbin laid out the facts that House Dems and their "witnesses" conveniently omitted.
Yet failed to address the facts already in the record.
Don't worry, Dulay; Trump's lawyers still have 22 hours to break down the Dems' fiction by using documented facts. Tune in on Monday, 1PM.
I wouldn't miss it for the world. I've been putting off a window project to listen or watch all week. I've actually got some shit done at my own house and planted seeds in the mean time.
They had me laughing out loud today. I'm glad I wasn't playing a drinking game: drink when they lie, cuz I would have been loaded way before noon.
I've lived through 3 impeachment processes but have never known anyone to laugh about them. I'm glad you were happy today and think it's a funny matter.
This is my third too Jasper.
I wasn't laughing about the impeachment processes. Why make assumptions?
Never said I was happy or that ANYTHING was funny, I said I laughed out loud.
The REASON that I laughed is because I heard Trump's lawyers telling bald faced lies and I KNEW they would. I also KNEW that Trump's sycophants would spill up the pablum they were spewing and judging from the posts here on NT, I was right about that.
Democrats aren’t even trying to win. They just let Schiff and Nadler make asses of themselves pissing off the jury and play to their donors who’ve been demanding impeachment for any reason since November 2016.
shame they abused the impeachment process to placate the far left wing whack jobs who control the party.
Republicans aren't even trying to put country first. They just let trump and mcconnell lie and steal power from the American people.
Shame they have taken advantage of the old and feeble minded to trample over the Constitution.
I saw CNN's legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, a reliable Trump hater, just admit Trump's lawyers were winning by basing their defense of Trump on the actual conversation. Being CNN, he criticized the attorneys for being too white.
Well, you are pretty far off the mark but we get it, "Orange man tells 16,000 lies, attacks CNN for calling Orange man out, people believe Orange man anyway..."
Tell me Sean, if you were accused of a serious crime and there was someone that could exonerate you, would you tell them to not testify?
Yep. Who claims innocence then hides any and all information/testimony that could prove said innocence...
Then they try their damnedest to make it about something other than it was.
I’m not cnn’s left wing legal analyst. Complain to him.
but i don’t think you understand what’s happening. Trumps lawyers are arguing there is no evidence a serious crime occurred.
any and all information/testimony that could prove said innocence...
you guys really don’t understand our legal system or what’s being argued before the senate. First, no one “proves innocence” Nor does our legal system find people innocent. That’s basic stuff. The Impeachment managers are the only ones who have to prove anything, and they obviously can’t. Which is why Democrat’s can’t win with the evidence they impeached trump with.
It’s not trumps fault the Democrats are incompetent.
Yeah, for the wealthy.
So when the next Dem president is accused of wrong doing, he/she will be able to hide all information and refuse any testimony.
Nice precedent setting there.
Funny how some think the testimony we have had is nothing.
All 'basic stuff' that are irrelevant to an Impeachment.
They sure as hell DID.
They can't 'win' because Republican Senators are sycophants.
No but it's Trump's fault that HE is incompetent.
Yeah, imagine that. They went right at the prosecutor's case on the central, relevant facts. The CNN people were actually freaked out and caught off guard by that. There really is another, factual side to the story that - if people will hear it - demonstrate how absurd this partisan lynching has been.
Wow, he really did, too. Just when I thought he might get through a segment without being totally insane.
American democracy is over. The GOP has just ushered in a truly imperial president. The Congress is just a rubber stamp, and the courts are to be ignored. As soon as fat fuck is off the hook that is the green light for all future presidents to do whatever they want. The president is now above the law.
About the same height above it that all the politicians are who control the Justice Department's at the various levels of government. I'm beginning to think we need a fourth branch of Government that does nothing but investigate the other three branches...
your seeds and comments continue to expressionlessly express without expressions, your first impression set in soft soil as your thoughts are dirty, and more impressionable, the softer the soil, as inertia absorbed, is not equal to the energy required, to exert an unequal pressure that 'bends' your logic to the equakl of those deprived of oxygen, while it bubbles in their blood,
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of what has wrought to those,
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asz he has become an American Undone
and those who still DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE, are DESERVED OF NUN,
so, this is what i give
as RESPECT
IS THROUGH AND DUNN
A good wordsmith knows how to finely craft their prose so it is elegant, witty, and yet easily understood. Take Shakespeare for an example. His wordsmithing while stilted, even in his own era, is of such craft that it has given us timeless entertainment and is oft repeated, though seldom matched by any attempts to do so.
Now it would seem to me that someone who had something actually important to say would ensure that the audience they were addressing would find their words to be coherent, and of value. Now of course, if the person were to be just another pompous ass, their only real intent would be to bask in the fleeting limelight no matter how they achieve it. This type of person is narcissistic to the point that they have convinced themselves that their vain attempts at the smithing of words is grandiose; so much so that it is only those unworthy of enlightenment that would dare to ignore their prose or skip over it entirely rather than waste the time to decode the message they have tried to so cleverly deliver. These people are a waste of time as their vainglory would never allow them to have an open mind in a forum for debate or discussion, no matter any claims to the contrary.
That being said, do me and you both a favor: Next time you want to insult me like this pathetic attempt to do so while praying no one bothers to read it and catch the CoC violations abundant within it, or even comment on something I've seeded or authored; ditch your stilts and post your comment in normal conversational form of speaking. Otherwise; stay the fuck off my threads...
Have a nice day!
NEVER CLAIMED TO BE anything BUT A SELF UNEDUCATED CRITICAL OF YOUR THINKING,
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besides,
i've been a smokin and drinkin
u have a groovy day as well
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i'm goin out to mRAZE SOME HELL !
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Funny. Out of hours and hours of opening arguments, one quote is what what people are going to point to and then claim the whole thing is a sham?
I can only laugh as it sounds like desperation.
republicans...kings of hyperbole and faux outrage...
Hell even Schiff said he doesn't know if it is true or not, just what he heard.
republicans can say any outlandish thing in the world and it is just overlooked yet any one thing they can find to pounce on, they do.
Just like trump, it is everyone else that is always at fault, never him...
Notice the trump team opening arguments are not even about what trump is accused of, it is all about hyperbole about trying to overturn an election and focus on the Dems and the process.
Typical misdirection.
when a moral compass can't be found by the GPS one can't spell,
you hav e R ationalization
Which is exactly what the right is using as a defense...
"They want to overturn an election!!!!"
"They want to remove the will of the people!!!"
"They're just mad because, [insert ridiculous reason here]!!!"
That's the whole defense... Why? No witnesses, no evidence, no proof. That's what the right wants? Good, then they also have no argument and no complaints. They brought it on themselves. The left? They have under oath testimony. The right has a guy that would rather chew his own nuts off than testify under oath, (much less let any of his staff do so).
If trump is so innocent, why no testimony? Why no evidence? Why no proof?
Because they have none, that's why.
Due to the ignorance of so many, the Republican GOP think they can continue to play those so hard at work at being deceived, it might,
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Explained in two hours. Even more to come as they flesh it out. Will you listen? Not just watch, but actually listen? I watched as well as listened to the testimony of the House witnesses, and found it lacking entirely on my own. I watched some of the Senate testimony; until they just kept on repeating the SoS, just in different words.
Hardly.
Trump has the presumption of innocence here and need not produce anything to prove it. It’s on or was on the house managers to provide evidence and proof.