Republicans Brilliantly Dismantle Arguments of Pro-Abortion Radicals During “Born-Alive Hearing”

  

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By:   Mary R

Republicans Brilliantly Dismantle Arguments of Pro-Abortion Radicals During “Born-Alive Hearing”
Senator Cruz: “The topic of this hearing should not be the subject of reasonable disagreement. That when one is discussing an infant who has been born, who is alive, who is breathing, who is crying, who is outside the womb. The idea that it would be somehow debatable what to do with that child. That there would be another side politically about whether to kill that child whether to allow that child to live or whether to do everything you can to protect that innocent life. It is a remarkable...

The Republicans in this hearing are right on.  We all know what abortion is even if we can’t say it. 


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The Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing titled, “The Infant Patient: Ensuring Appropriate Medical Care for Children Born Alive.”

There was a list of radical pro-abortionists on the witness list advocating for late-term abortion.

These people are trying to pass and, in some cases passing laws that prohibit medical intervention for a baby born alive from an attempted abortion.

Sen. Sasse had an excellent opening argument in which he calls for bi-partisan support for babies born alive from a botched abortion attempt.

Sen. Sasse: “About our shared humanity: In our hearts, each of us knows that every member of our human family ought to be protected.”

“That every baby is born with dignity; for two centuries, American’s have worked relentlessly to extend basic human rights to more and more of our fellow citizens,” Sasse continued.

“And Senator Bernie Sanders and I, two men who don’t agree much in terms of our voting record, do agree about this,” Sasse continues with a recent quote from Sanders saying, “The mark of a great nation is how it treats its most vulnerable people.”

Senator Sasse ends his opening statement with this last great line: “And that’s exactly why we are here today. It’s time to protect these newborn and vulnerable babies.”

We have seen the left become more radical in the past ten years when we bring up the issue of abortion and the mother’s right to choose.

The fact that most often gets brushed to the side or downright forgotten is the fact that we are talking about the dignity of human life.

The act of taking one’s life to make a situation more palatable or livable to another human being in any other context would be considered barbaric or murder.

Sen. Sasse urges his colleagues not to lose sight of why they were there and what they are talking about. He encourages them to remember that they are there to talk about babies.  RN Jill Stanek describes her first-hand account taking care of a little boy that was born alive during a botched abortion. She tells the audience that the mother and father wanted nothing to do with him. The nurse on duty was ready to allow the baby to die by himself in the soiled linen closet. THE SOILED LINEN CLOSET. She took the little boy and held him for 45 minutes while the child actively passed away in her arms.

How could anyone choose to ignore this life, and not do anything to help this poor child? After hearing this story, Sen. Ted Cruz used his time to ask pro-late-term-abortionists why they defend this lack of medical intervention. Senator Cruz: “The topic of this hearing should not be the subject of reasonable disagreement. That when one is discussing an infant who has been born, who is alive, who is breathing, who is crying, who is outside the womb. The idea that it would be somehow debatable what to do with that child. That there would be another side politically about whether to kill that child whether to allow that child to live or whether to do everything you can to protect that innocent life. It is a remarkable statement of just how extreme and radical the pro-abortion side of this debate has gotten.”

After Gov. Northam of Virginia said in a radio interview that would allow a woman in labor preparing to deliver a child could kill her baby trying to grasp the breath of life. This is a sitting US Governor! Did we forget that as soon as a child is born alive under US law, medical attention must be given?  Patrina Mosely: “While the 2002 Born-Alive Infants Protection Act gave us the base recognizing that all infants born alive are persons. We now need to build on that with requirements that healthcare practitioners treat the infant with the same degree of care afforded to any other newborn.”

We should not need any other hearings to take place. We have the law that stipulates that when a baby born alive, whether wanted or not is a person. He/She should be given the same care regardless of the circumstances of their birth. Anything of than appropriate life-saving measures should be considered a violation of their HIPA oath.

Patrina Mosely continues, “It must be made clear that infants born alive are full legal persons under the law and should not be discriminated against because they were born because of the result of an abortion attempt.”  It is no accident Sen. Mike Lee says that we list life first in our constitution vowing to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Living is the most fundamental part of human life should be preserved. It is unbelievable that, as a society, we are so willing to throw life away.



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MAGA
1  seeder  MAGA    7 months ago

Senator Sasse ends his opening statement with this last great line: “And that’s exactly why we are here today. It’s time to protect these newborn and vulnerable babies.”

We have seen the left become more radical in the past ten years when we bring up the issue of abortion and the mother’s right to choose.

The fact that most often gets brushed to the side or downright forgotten is the fact that we are talking about the dignity of human life.

The act of taking one’s life to make a situation more palatable or livable to another human being in any other context would be considered barbaric or murder.

Sen. Sasse urges his colleagues not to lose sight of why they were there and what they are talking about. He encourages them to remember that they are there to talk about babies.  https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49530/republicans-brilliantly-dismantle-arguments-of-pro-abortion-radicals-during-born-alive-hearing

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @1    7 months ago
Senator Sasse ends his opening statement with this last great line: “And that’s exactly why we are here today. It’s time to protect these newborn and vulnerable babies.”

Newborns already have protections. So what's the problem?

We have seen the left become more radical in the past ten years when we bring up the issue of abortion and the mother’s right to choose.

Maybe because the right has gotten more radical in its attempts to restrict or eliminate a woman's right to choose?

The fact that most often gets brushed to the side or downright forgotten is the fact that we are talking about the dignity of human life.

Arguing "Dignity" is a matter of opinion and nothing more than a emotionally appealing coat of sugar. What about the "dignity" of the woman in question? 

The act of taking one’s life to make a situation more palatable or livable to another human being in any other context would be considered barbaric or murder.

Except abortion isn't murder and a woman's reasons for choosing one is her business and choice, and hers alone.

Sen. Sasse urges his colleagues not to lose sight of why they were there and what they are talking about. He encourages them to remember that they are there to talk about babies.

Meanwhile, rational people shouldn't lose sight that individuals like Sen. Sasse and other pro-lifers would gladly eliminate a woman's legal and constitutional rights if given the chance.

BTW, who's "pro-abortion" exactly nd how are their "arguments" dismantled exactly? Pro-lifers never had a logical or rational argument to begin with. That's why abortion has always been upheld, affirmed, and even expanded upon over the decades.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1    7 months ago

RN Jill Stanek describes her first-hand account taking care of a little boy that was born alive during a botched abortion. She tells the audience that the mother and father wanted nothing to do with him. The nurse on duty was ready to allow the baby to die by himself in the soiled linen closet. THE SOILED LINEN CLOSET. She took the little boy and held him for 45 minutes while the child actively passed away in her arms.

How could anyone choose to ignore this life, and not do anything to help this poor child? After hearing this story, Sen. Ted Cruz used his time to ask pro-late-term-abortionists why they defend this lack of medical intervention. Senator Cruz: “The topic of this hearing should not be the subject of reasonable disagreement. That when one is discussing an infant who has been born, who is alive, who is breathing, who is crying, who is outside the womb. The idea that it would be somehow debatable what to do with that child. That there would be another side politically about whether to kill that child whether to allow that child to live or whether to do everything you can to protect that innocent life. It is a remarkable statement of just how extreme and radical the pro-abortion side of this debate has gotten.” https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49530/republicans-brilliantly-dismantle-arguments-of-pro-abortion-radicals-during-born-alive-hearing#cm1256901

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @1.1.1    7 months ago

I stand by US Sen. Cruz and his comments in that hearing. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @1.1.1    7 months ago

Yeah, I've heard that BS story before. Cry me a river.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.5  seeder  MAGA  replied to    7 months ago

Thank you thank you thank you. For your so right on and perfect comments above.  So right on and well said!  👍👏🇺🇸

 
 
 
MAGA
1.1.7  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @1.1.3    7 months ago
 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.8  Gordy327  replied to    7 months ago

So the best you can do is a biased site with misinformation?  Laughable at best.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    7 months ago
If women know there are other options besides abortion, Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers would lose business and profit.

Bullshit. Planned Parenthood gives information on all the options. I know this because my wife had what was thought to be a cluster pregnancy at first and severe hyperemesis and Planned Parenthood discussed with us the options which one of was to wait another few weeks to see if the cluster grew or not while getting her hyperemesis under control which was causing her to vomit up everything including water. My wife ended up on a feeding tube through her nose for over a month but we got through it and now have a happy healthy 10 year old daughter.

Former Planned Parenthood workers like Abby Johnson have exposed how Planned Parenthood pushes abortion more than anything else

More bullshit. One disgruntled employee who worked at one facility and has made unproven claims which have elevated her to hero status among the anti-choice conservatives cannot and should not be taken seriously.

They make most of their profit from abortions

Bullshit.

"In Fact, Less Than 15% Of Total Revenue Comes From Abortion Services"

https://www.mediamatters.org/laura-ingraham/laura-ingraham-grossly-misrepresents-planned-parenthoods-budget?redirect_source=/research/2011/02/18/laura-ingraham-grossly-misrepresents-planned-pa/176611

They have abortion quotas their clinics must meet in order to receive good reviews and financial rewards

Bullshit.

"First, and plainly, Planned Parenthood does not have “quotas” for any of our services."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/planned-parenthood-abortion-quotas/

It is in every Planned Parenthood employee’s best interest to promote abortion because that is their biggest moneymaker

Bullshit. Your arms must be getting tired shoveling that mountain of bullshit, perhaps you should try telling the truth for a change, it's a lot less exhausting for everyone.

But pro-“choice” is simply a misnomer when such a position opposes women's right to be fully informed and only supports one choice—abortion.

Pro-choice is the only position that actually informs women of all their options while slimy religious-backed clinic fought to make sure the women coming to them stayed barefoot, ignorant and pregnant.

https://www.latimes.com/local/political/la-me-pc-pregnancy-clinics-abortion-lawsuit-20151013-story.html

No one is "pro-abortion". Claiming such is a blatant cowardly lie and those who keep claiming such nonsense should be ashamed, but they likely have no shame left. No one is out encouraging women to get abortions. I get how some worthless brain dead morons believe the ends justify the means so they lie, lie, lie all day about Planned Parenthood and the sensible Americans who are pro-choice, but if they were actually pro-life and concerned with women's health they would be pro-choice as well and would stop lying.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  MAGA @1.1.1    7 months ago
Stanek’s
statements have undermined her credibility.
In August 2008,
Media Matters for America detailed
Stanek’s numerous inflammatory statements, such as her suggestion that domestic
violence is acceptable against women who have abortions, her support of
billboards in Tanzania with the words "Faithful Condom User" next to a picture
of a large skeleton, and her citation of a report that "aborted fetuses are much
sought after delicacies" in China to which she added, "I think this stuff is
happening."

Stanek’s
claims about abandoned fetuses not substantiated by state
investigation.
During the 2008
presidential campaign, Stanek was presented as a former nurse who claimed that
babies that were born despite attempted abortions were abandoned without
treatment in the Illinois hospital where she worked, including
in a soiled utility room. However, the Illinois Department of Public Health
reportedly said that the alleged conduct, if proved, would have constituted
"violations of existing law" but that it could not
substantiate
the allegation.

  • Stanek:
    America "elected a barbarian as
    president."
    In a November 6, 2008,
    WorldNetDaily column , Stanek responded to the election of Barack Obama as
    president by stating that "we are fooling ourselves if we think the United
    States is still a Christian nation. Its people
    just elected a barbarian as president."

  • Stanek:
    Obama election a sign God is "finally turning America
    over to judgment."
    In a November 12,
    2008, WND column , Stanek wrote that she "could only see impending doom"
    following Obama’s election, adding:

There is no way God
would have allowed Barack Obama to become president were He not finally turning
America over to judgment, to whatever great or lesser extent that will
be.

I sat in my mother’s
church and was surprised to feel anger when the worship leader smiled and sang
the same songs as ever, as if life hadn’t drastically changed the week before,
as if the Church itself wasn’t indicted by Obama’s election.

Stanek
promoted link between abortion and breast cancer, despite evidence to the
contrary.
In a March 12, 2009,
blog
post
on her personal website, Stanek referenced
"the obvious
and proven link between abortion and breast cancer." In fact, the National
Cancer Institute held a 2003 workshop
featuring "over 100 of the
world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk," which
"concluded that having
an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman’s subsequent risk of
developing breast cancer." NCI has maintained its stance
that "the evidence overall still does not support early termination of pregnancy
as a cause of breast cancer."

  • Stanek’s stance
    criticized by fellow anti-abortion activist as "a license to
    kill."
    In a February 8 WND column , Gregg Cunningham, executive director of the
    anti-abortion Center For Bio-Ethical Reform, responded to Stanek’s
    column:

Regarding the murder
of abortionist George Tiller, she argues essentially that Scott Roeder’s jury
should have been allowed to find that stalking, ambushing and blowing out the
doctor’s brains wasn’t murder because George Tiller was an abortionist. Jill
emphasizes that she is personally opposed to vigilante assassinations. She says
that she might not have voted to reduce Scott Roeder’s offense to manslaughter
had she been given that option as his juror. But she then asserts that jurors
should be permitted to consider the horror of abortion as a mitigating
circumstance when deciding the fates of those who kill abortionists. This
chilling, "eye-for-an-eye" ethic is difficult to distinguish from the barbaric
apologetic used by the "Army of God" anarchists who cheer on sociopaths such as
Scott Roeder. It is a license to kill.

https://rewire.news/article/2010/02/17/just-ignore-facts-maam-jill-stanek-write-ultraright-outlets/
 
 
 
MAGA
1.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @1    7 months ago
 
 
 
MAGA
2  seeder  MAGA    7 months ago

“I pray that you may understand that all life is precious and worthy of a chance to be born, and God is a giver of life and people have no right or authority to take life,” Grant prayed. “The unborn has rights, and those rights need to be protected. They should never be denied the right to exist, the right to develop, or the right to have a family. The Word of God has given us a warning – woe to anyone who harms an innocent child. Every one of you sitting here today can guarantee these rights to these little innocent children of Virginia. … Please do not ignore their little voices. I pray for a heart change today.” 

Grant further prayed that the chamber would uphold the “biblical, traditional marriage as God instructed the first man and the first woman in the Bible, that the two shall be one flesh, that a man and a woman shall be fruitful and multiply.”

“We should never rewrite what God has declared,” 

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.1  Freefaller  replied to  MAGA @2    7 months ago

Yes prayer, I'm sure that carries a lot of weight in removing legal rights

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Freefaller @2.1    7 months ago

We are talking about the legal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  When will the baby deprived of the right to live ever have liberty or the ability to pursue their happiness?  The prayer was from the African American pastor before the opening of the Virginia legislature 

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    7 months ago

Fetuses don't have rights, especially ones the supersede the mothers, baby's already have protections

The prayer was from the African American pastor before the opening of the Virginia legislature 

Who cares what his/her race was, it's utterly irrelevant to peoples established rights

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @2.1.1    7 months ago
We are talking about the legal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  When will the baby deprived of the right to live ever have liberty or the ability to pursue their happiness?  

What do you mean? babies already have those rights.

The prayer was from the African American pastor before the opening of the Virginia legislature 

So? Looks like god ignored it. No surprise either.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.3    7 months ago

Not if they are dead before ever being born!  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.5  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.3    7 months ago

He didn’t ignore it.  He said that the world before the 2nd coming would be as bad as in Noah’s time and like Sodom and Gomorrah so we know that evil like gay marriage, trans stuff, drag queens, abortion, the cheapening of human life has to happen.  We are to resist it all along with the persecution of beliefs and free exercise there of so that we can get the message to all the world.  When that happens all resistance to evil ends and evil has its final spasm before it’s all over. We Christians are aware that we will be hated by the world at the end and that’s fine.  

 
 
 
MAGA
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @2.1.4    7 months ago
Not if they are dead before ever being born!  

They aren't babies until they're born. 

He didn’t ignore it.

Right. It's just made up BS!

 We Christians are aware that we will be hated by the world at the end and that’s fine.  

If Christians are hated, they only have themselves to blame. But they sure seem to love playing the faux persecution game.

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.1.8  Freefaller  replied to  MAGA @2.1.6    7 months ago

LMAO seriously your defending your position with a link to some millennial influencer Instagram site.  I know you don't put much effort into your responses but that was weak even for you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @2.1.8    7 months ago

Instagram seems to be his only sources. As if that lends any credibility to his arguments or position. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
2.1.10  Freefaller  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.9    7 months ago

Lol Gordy you know as well as I it's not about credible arguments or positions it's about post counts and playing games.

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.11  katrix  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.9    7 months ago

As if I would click on any of those links in the first place - I wouldn't trust them.

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.12  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @2.1.11    7 months ago

I wouldn't trust anyone who uses social media as a source, or the source itself. It clearly show's a bias, a lack of intellectual honesty and no credibility. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
2.1.13  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @2.1.10    7 months ago

Not to mention appeals to emotion and spreading misinformation. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2  Tessylo  replied to  MAGA @2    7 months ago

This nonsense, again?

 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @2.2    7 months ago

Nothing nonsense about it.  It was a great moment and a great cause.  Pro life is the great cause of our lifetime.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1  MrFrost  replied to  MAGA @3    7 months ago

Why hasn't prayer stopped legal abortion?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    7 months ago
Why hasn't prayer stopped legal abortion?

Haven't you heard the news?

God is not a wishing well.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.2  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    7 months ago
God is not a wishing well.

Then that makes god and prayer both useless. But like throwing a coin into a wishing well, I'm sure it gives one that "something good will happen" feeling, even though it does nothing.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    7 months ago

True enough.  We live in a sinful world and people will make the free will choice to commit evil satan inspired acts of all kinds including abortion right up to the end of the world as we know it now.  

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.4  katrix  replied to  MAGA @3.1.3    7 months ago
commit evil satan inspired acts

Hatred, discrimination, persecution, false prophecy - funny how people who worship evil and commit these kinds of evil acts like to pretend it's everyone else who is evil, instead of looking in a mirror and thinking about what Jesus said.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.2    7 months ago
Then that makes god and prayer both useless. But like throwing a coin into a wishing well, I'm sure it gives one that "something good will happen" feeling, even though it does nothing.

That is your opinion.

Mine is different.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.5    7 months ago

No, it's fact. Prayer has never been demonstrated to have any tangible effect other than as a mental placebo or effect similar to meditation. 

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.7  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    7 months ago
God is not a wishing well.

Lol, from the 'pray for our football' crowd.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.6    7 months ago
No, it's fact.

No, it simply isn't a fact.

Prayer has never been demonstrated to have any tangible effect other than as a mental placebo or effect similar to meditation. 

Are health outcomes the only things people pray for?

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3.1.7    7 months ago
Lol, from the 'pray for our football' crowd.

Of which I am not a member, so there's that that blows your little theory clean out of the water.

WTF is that crowd anyways?

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.10  lib50  replied to  MAGA @3.1.3    7 months ago

Your track record on sin and values is in the swamp with Trump.  Can ignore his racism, his greed, his lies, his narcissism, his ignorance (don't even try to defend this), his affinity for dictators and disgust of allies, his slurping up Putin juice, but hey, he gave the rich a tax cut and we can pretend it was for us because 'he tells it like it is'.  He tells lies and does it in the most insulting and demeaning way he can find, his target always becomes the focus of his supporters hate.

You are wrong on abortion.  Your views hold no value for women.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.11  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    7 months ago
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Texan1211
3.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  r.t..b... @3.1.11    7 months ago

Since it appears you haven't been following the thread very closely, I'll repeat for your benefit.

"God is not a wishing well".

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.1.13  r.t..b...  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    7 months ago

Fair enough...comment deleted. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.14  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.12    7 months ago
God is not a wishing well

Again - meaning prayer is useless.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.14    7 months ago
Again - meaning prayer is useless. 

Poppycock.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.16  Ender  replied to  katrix @3.1.4    7 months ago

512

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.17  katrix  replied to  Ender @3.1.16    7 months ago

Perfect. And so very true. Spewing hatred, working hard to be allowed to discriminate against others, pretending to speak for God, spitting on everything Jesus stood for, throwing ethics and morals in the gutter, worshipping Trump over their country... good thing they picked red for the hat color. It will serve them well, where they are spending eternity.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.18  seeder  MAGA  replied to  lib50 @3.1.10    7 months ago

Pro life is pro women.  Most in the pro life movement are women. Didn’t you see all those beautiful women at the march for life?  

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.19  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Ender @3.1.16    7 months ago

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lady in black
3.1.20  lady in black  replied to  MAGA @3.1.18    7 months ago

Pro life is anti women....forcing women to carry a fetus to term against their will.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.21  katrix  replied to  MAGA @3.1.19    7 months ago
there is nothing in this world more offensive to them than to Make America Great Again!

To anyone with morals, ethics, and values, there is nothing great about having an immoral, self-absorbed, cheat and liar leading our country, a man who is making the swamp far dirtier than it was. Who not only doesn't believe in God, but who thinks HE is a god.

To the Trump toady false prophets, however, these things don't matter in the least - it's all about having an avenue to vent hatred and to push to legally discriminate against others. They're tools of satan, that's for sure.

One thing Trump has done is make these immoral people feel empowered to spread their vitriol and show their truly pathetic lack of ethics and values, and their hatred for our Constitution. Makes it easier to avoid being in the presence of such disgusting, evil mindsets.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.22  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @3.1.18    7 months ago

That is those women's choice and I am fine with that. But the moment they try to force it on me, I am not. Choice is the operative word here and that is why I will try to vote Trump out of office. It's over this issue among others like dismantling the EPA and clean water. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.23  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.8    7 months ago

There is not 1 instance where prayer has ever been proven to have any tangible effect on an outcome, regardless of what the basis of the prayer is. That's a fact. Considering prayer has probably existed as long as religion, that means it has a poor track record of desired outcomes.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.24  Ender  replied to  lady in black @3.1.20    7 months ago

I could only laugh when reading about Cruz and his tweet about the Alabama lawmaker that proposed the mandatory vasectomy bill as a counter to the anti abortion bills.

Ted Cruz , the Republican Texas senator, has given an unwitting boost to an Alabama lawmaker’s attempt to push back on restrictive abortion laws in her state, by tweeting about her proposal to force men to have vasectomies when they reach the age of 50.

Democratic representative Rolanda Hollis introduced the measure to the state’s House last week, intending it as protest against a law passed by the Alabama legislature last year to outlaw abortion in almost every case unless the life of the mother was at risk.

“The responsibility is not always on the women. It takes two to tangle [sic],” Hollis wrote in a tweet acknowledging that her long-shot House bill, which would also a mandate a vasectomy after the birth of a father’s third biological child, was intended to “neutralize the abortion ban bill”.

Link

“Yikes. A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything… literally!” Cruz wrote, linking to an Alabama news website’s account of the story from three days previously.

Cruz is noted for his staunchly conservative views on abortion and has previously condemned the Democratic party’s efforts to protect access to abortion as   “a war on women.”   Comments on his tweet, however, allude to his opposition to the governance of male reproduction while supporting laws that dictate what women can and cannot do with their bodies.

“It’s outrageous to have government involved in these personal reproductive decisions! So glad you are pro-choice, Ted!”   one commentator wrote .
 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.25  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.15    7 months ago

Prayer is just wishful thinking. If God doesn't deal with wishes, then he & prayer are useless.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.26  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.23    7 months ago

As someone who doesn't pray, how would you possibly know if it works or not?

I have seen prayer work in MY life.

That is enough for me, and I don't care if you like it or agree with it.

Look, I know how much of a kick some folks get from denigrating religion and especially the people who believe. We are easy targets for some because we can't prove God exists in a way to satisfy them. Of course, those same people can not prove that God does not exist.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.25    7 months ago
Prayer is just wishful thinking. If God doesn't deal with wishes, then he & prayer are useless.

It is an amazing display of ignorance to say that prayer is just wishful thinking.

Prayer:

a solemn request for help or expression of thanks addressed to God or an object of worship.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.28  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.26    7 months ago
I have seen prayer work in MY life.

No, you have made assumptions that whatever happened wouldn't have happened had you not prayed. Actual experiments have proven that is not the case. I realize that you are emotionally attached to your belief that prayer works, but there is no evidence to back it up. If you would stop proclaiming that it works, people would stop pointing out that you are wrong, you know.

Of course, those same people can not prove that God does not exist.

And you can't prove there aren't any pink spotted flying rhinos, either. Honestly, this has been explained to you often enough that I'd think you'd drop it - it's a guaranteed loser for you.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.29  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.28    7 months ago

yeah, I am done with this conversation with you.

I don't care if you believe or not.

I do, and that is all that matters to me.

I have no need nor any burden to prove anything at all to you.

 
 
 
lib50
3.1.30  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.9    7 months ago

First of all, I never said you specifically were one of the 'crowd'.  Perhaps you are not for tearing down that wall between church and state/schools/politics.  I'm speaking in the general sense, the same people who want to force their religious tenets on the masses are also usually the same ones who insist on prayers at sporting events.  Which is about as wishing well as it gets.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.31  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.26    7 months ago

I already said there is no proof that prayer has ever worked or done anything. I don't need to pray to be able to know that. As far as prayer "working" for you, that's merely your own subjective interpretation of its efficacy. 

As far as proving god does or does not exist, there is no evidence of one. So one cannot prove the nonexistence of something  (logical fallacy). It's those making a claim of certainty of a god that bear the burden of proving it. Belief is not proof either.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.32  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.27    7 months ago

I know what prayer is. But until you or someone proves it provides an actual, tangible effect outside of one's own mental comfort, then it essentially is wishful thinking. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.32    7 months ago

I feel compelled to repeat this statement, since it obviously fell on deaf ears:

I have no need nor any burden to prove anything at all to you.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.34  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.33    7 months ago

Then I must repeat posts 3.1.31 & 3.1.32.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.34    7 months ago

repeat ad naseum-- I told you I don't care.

Have fun!

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.36  seeder  MAGA  replied to  katrix @3.1.21    7 months ago

I completely stand by what you quoted of me, believe it to be true in full and double down on that opinion of me speaking my mind. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.37  Gordy327  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.35    7 months ago

Seems like you're repeating yourself.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.38  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.22    7 months ago

 I intend to help re elect him for doing such a great job for our country overall.  Considering the states we live in our votes are meaningless.  The dem running will win all the electoral votes of both our states no matter what we do. A small price to pay to watch your side win Ca.’s 55 electoral votes by 5 million votes and lose the electoral college more than last time. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.39  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.25    7 months ago

So did you not study for a test growing up and get a no for an answer to your bless the guess prayer?

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.40  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.35    7 months ago

Nor do I.  He can talk to the hand.  

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.41  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.33    7 months ago
I feel compelled to repeat this statement, since it obviously fell on deaf ears: I have no need nor any burden to prove anything at all to you.

If you were a true believer, you would know that you have to walk it before you can talk it.  I've never seen you walk it on NT.  Not once; not ever.  That's why your comment falls on deaf ears.

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.42  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @3.1.39    7 months ago
So did you not study for a test growing up and get a no for an answer to your bless the guess prayer?

That statement makes no sense. If I studied, why would I need to guess? I certainly wouldn't waste time praying for an answer. 

Nor do I.  He can talk to the hand.  

And yet, here you are replying to me. But at least my hand actually exists, unlike the object of a prayer. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.43  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @3.1.41    7 months ago

Sitting in judgement much?  

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.44  katrix  replied to  MAGA @3.1.43    7 months ago

Coming from you, that is hilarious. 

double down on that opinion of me speaking my mind

Two times zero is still zero.

 
 
 
MAGA
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.46  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  MAGA @3.1.43    7 months ago
Sitting in judgement much?

I don't wield my faith like a bitch-slap, nor do I belong to the Church of the Holy Convenience.  There are too many people who think that shouting Amen! at the end of a hateful diatribe makes them a Christian.  It does not.  In fact, it makes them the phoniest of baloneys. 

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.47  katrix  replied to  MAGA @3.1.45    7 months ago

I would never click on a link posted by someone so full of hatred, so you can save yourself some typing.

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.1.48  Freefaller  replied to  katrix @3.1.47    7 months ago

It wasn't so bad katrix, just a blurb with some instagrammers emotional anti choice appeal utterly devoid of legal, medical or scientific facts.  Pretty much the standard crap you'd expect DJ to provide as proof.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.49  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Freefaller @3.1.48    7 months ago

It’s simply a pro life reply to the fraudulent concept that the destruction of human life via abortion is some constitutional right.  It really isn’t.  

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.50  katrix  replied to  Freefaller @3.1.48    7 months ago

Since he brags about living his life driven by hatred, I'd be afraid I might get a virus.

But yep, also because I knew it would be pure drivel, as you confirmed. False prophets never post anything worth reading.

Could you imagine if some of these people spent half the time they spend further entrenching their willful ignorance learning actual facts?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.51  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  katrix @3.1.50    7 months ago
Since he brags about living his life driven by hatred, I'd be afraid I might get a virus

Which is why I wouldn't have opened it for a million bucks.  Ok, maybe for a million bucks, but not a penny less.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.1.52  seeder  MAGA  replied to  katrix @3.1.50    7 months ago

You really think that conservatives and Christians who love our lives to a higher calling are motivated by hate just because our ideology and world view are different than yours?  That’s sad and not at all open minded or tolerant of differing opinions or at all civil.  And to suspect that I might deliberately affect others with a virus is just sad.  

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.1.53  Freefaller  replied to  katrix @3.1.50    7 months ago
I'd be afraid I might get a virus.

I was on my work computer (during lunch) so felt pretty safe about doing so, but you're correct and I would never do so from home

also because I knew it would be pure drivel

Lol is it ever not drivel?

Could you imagine if some of these people spent half the time they spend further entrenching their willful ignorance learning actual facts?

The world would be a better place indeed

 
 
 
Freefaller
3.1.54  Freefaller  replied to  MAGA @3.1.49    7 months ago
It’s simply a pro life reply

It's pure emotional tripe meant to get the anti choice crowds panties balled up in a wad.  Oh and of course a way to get that post count up and keep this seed on the front page

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.55  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @3.1.48    7 months ago
just a blurb with some instagrammers emotional anti choice appeal

Appeals to emotion seem to be the only "argument" pro-lifers/anti-choicers can muster against abortion. I certainly haven't seen anything logical or rational presented. Perhaps that's why they've consistently lost abortion arguments in the courts over the decades.

It's pure emotional tripe meant to get the anti choice crowds panties balled up in a wad. 

And they buy right into that tripe too, hook, line, and sinker. It's almost like no one bothers to educate themselves or think rationally anymore.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
3.1.56  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  MAGA @3.1.52    7 months ago
You really think that conservatives and Christians who love our lives to a higher calling are motivated by hate just because our ideology and world view are different than yours?

You've said as much so many times, it's ridiculous for you to say otherwise.  You have called us whores, baby-killers, and a pedophile supporters...and all in the name of differing ideologies.  And yes, you have used those exact names, and so have your friends. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.57  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.1    7 months ago
God is not a wishing well.

So throwing a coin into a well yields better results than prayer? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.58  Texan1211  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.57    7 months ago
So throwing a coin into a well yields better results than prayer? 

Now that right there is something I would expect some folks to think.

LMFAO!

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.59  Gordy327  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.57    7 months ago

I'd say the success rate between prayer and coin tossing is about equal.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.60  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @3.1.59    7 months ago
I'd say the success rate between prayer and coin tossing is about equal.

I think the placebo success rate of prayer is pretty much the same as other placebo trials.

"Estimates of the placebo cure rate range from a low of 15 percent to a high of 72 percent. The longer the period of treatment and the larger the number of physician visits, the greater the placebo effect."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-sense/201201/the-placebo-effect-how-it-works

I believe, much like medical placebo trials, the longer someone is religious and have been praying likely increases what they view as their personal prayer success rate as they become more likely to attribute just about anything as proof of their prayers efficacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer

 
 
 
Gordy327
3.1.61  Gordy327  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.60    7 months ago

And if anything does not conform to prayer wishing, then it's just "God's will." That does make a convenient mental excuse either way.

 
 
 
MAGA
3.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @3    7 months ago

The words in that link/meme are so spot on.  Perfect!

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  MAGA @3.2    7 months ago

Click the link,  right click on the photo. Select, "save as", choose a location and save it. Then you can post the picture here, without the link. Saves time and clicks. 

 
 
 
MAGA
3.2.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MAGA @3.2    7 months ago

This is a testament to the power of friendly persuasion: https://www.instagram.com/tv/B82E0X1AVim/?igshid=11pns3k03v2vh

 
 
 
MAGA
3.2.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.1    7 months ago

I don’t have a right click on a phone.  

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MAGA @3.2.3    7 months ago

Hold your finger down on the photo you want to copy until you get a pop-up screen that says "copy". Then go to where you want to paste it and hold your finger down until you get a pop up that says "paste". 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4  Gordy327    7 months ago
the destruction of human life via abortion is some constitutional right.  It really isn’t.  

The SCOTUS disagrees with that. Abortion is, and always should be, a constitutional right of women, and one which they should always be free to exercise if they so choose. Just look at the pre-Roe period or certain countries that had draconian anti-abortion laws to see just how bad things could be if abortion was not a legal right. Why would anyone want to return to those days or emulate those particular countries?

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @4    7 months ago

The Supreme Court invented it out of whole cloth.  They as activist judges were determined to reach the conclusion they did constitution be damned and create out of nothing penumbras and wishes. Totally illegitimate 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.1  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1    7 months ago

Wrong! The SCOTUS (a mostly conservative one too) interpreted the Constitution to deem anti abortion laws as unconstitutional, as is their responsibility. As for your mere  opinion that their ruling was illegitimate, what makes you more qualified to interpret the constitution and law than the SCOTUS? Abortion has also gone before the SCOTUS multiple times overy the decades and has only been reaffirmed and expanded upon. Or do you think every SCOTUS decision you don't agree with is due to "activist judges?"

 
 
 
Freefaller
4.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.1    7 months ago

Lol haven't you heard that beliefs outweigh facts/evidence/proof? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Freefaller @4.1.2    7 months ago

They believe it so it must be true, eh? ***rolls eyes***

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.1    7 months ago

Imagine thinking you proved him "wrong" with your little emotional rant. 

The SCOTUS created the right to an abortion despite the lack of any textual basis. Nothing you wrote contradicts that. 

You should probably just stick to eye rolls rather than trying to construct a factual argument.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    7 months ago

Nothing emotional about it. It's just simple fact. And the SCOTUS didn't create anything. They simply saw anti abortion laws as being unconstitutional and we're thusly struck down. Therefore, abortion became legal (with certain limitations). Also simple fact. Your opinion of the SCOTUS ruling doesn't change that fact nor refutell anything I said. You should probably stick to silence before you expose your ignorance on the matter & embarrass yourself.

 
 
 
MAGA
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.7  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.6    7 months ago

Do you seriously think your instagram BS means anything or has any value outside of mere opinion?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.7    7 months ago

You can't really expect them to think for themselves or make any sort of cogent arguments. All they have are cut paste links to other peoples twisted logic and circular rhetoric or tired memes to express themselves.

The SCOTUS rightly ruled that the 4th amendments stance on privacy covers a woman's "person" or body, just as it would any mans.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons , houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - US constitution 4th amendment

"The right to privacy is our right to keep a domain around us, which includes all those things that are part of us, such as our body , home, property, thoughts, feelings, secrets, and identity. The right to privacy gives us the ability to choose which parts in this domain can be accessed by others and to control the extent, manner, and timing of the use of those parts we choose to disclose ".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_privacy

The SCOTUS didn't "create" any right to abortion, it merely defined when a fertilized egg becomes a "person" deserving of its own constitutional rights which is at viability. Until viability, a woman's body is protected by her right to privacy provided by the 4th amendment. Anything she chooses to do with it, whether it's getting a tattoo, breast implants, botox or an abortion, that's her right to privacy and the government has ZERO right to interfere.

The silly arguments above from conservatives in their attempt to strip women of their privacy rights are nothing but ignorant howling at the moon. The only thing "brilliant" about them is perhaps the screen they're being displayed on.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.8    7 months ago

I suppose my expectations are too high. Unfortunately,  some people are tunnel visioned towards an embryo/fetus. They do not seem to see the bigger picture, much less care about a woman's rights, her circumstances, the law, or other factors that may negatively impact the woman and/or offspring if the woman was forced to continue a pregnancy. What's funny is that they get all up in arms about a fetus that's not theirs, from an individual they likely do not know or have not known they even existed until the woman wanted an abortion, and from an individual who's choices and reasons are none of their business in the 1st place.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.10  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    7 months ago

Well said and exactly right.  Great post!  👏👍

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.11  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.9    7 months ago

And some anti life people just can’t stand the expression of a point of view that shows the bitter anger of the pro abortion feminists on the other side of the pro life movement.  

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.12  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.8    7 months ago

A perfect summation of the current debate.  https://www.instagram.com/p/B9VHj-xHp4W/?igshid=f2eeqjp6crfd

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.13  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    7 months ago

I’d just like to thank Chicks on the Right for getting it exactly right on the  abortion issue.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.14  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.11    7 months ago

Still being disingenuous I see. It's not the expression that's the isdue, no matter how ludicrous it may be. It's when others attempt to impose their expressions or beliefs on others that's the problem. 

 
 
 
MAGA
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.15    6 months ago

If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest offering something more substantial than just Instagram nonsense.

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.17  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.16    6 months ago

It’s not like Instagram is the original source....https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9zLqZkDv6o/?igshid=1mv0p688tpfpl

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.18  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.17    6 months ago

Funny how you cite instagram again.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.20  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.19    6 months ago

Do you have some point? Or are you just posting no value and irrelevant nonsense?

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.21  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.20    6 months ago

The song is perfect for the subject of the seeded article oh great shadow needing the last word .  

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  MAGA @4.1.21    6 months ago

A song isn't a discussion, nor does it contribute anything to the discussion, much less make any meaningful argument. At best, it's a distraction. Just like your Instagram citations.

 
 
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