Why Do People Think Donald Trump's Character Can Be Defended?

  
By:  john-russell  •  one month ago  •  152 comments

Why Do People Think Donald Trump's Character Can Be Defended?
 Trump's low character and dysfunctional behaviors are known, they are not imagined or even exaggerated.  Why are there no standards of personal character or personal behavior that Trump supporters demand he conform to as he serves as president of the United States? 

For the purposes of this discussion I am not talking about his policies, such as the wall, the tax cut for the rich, the abandonment of the Kurds, the mistreatment of Puerto Rico, the fruitless bromance with Kim Jong-Un, etc.

I am talking about Trump's character, the lying, the cheating, the taunting dismissal of opposing views, the never taking responsibility for his mistakes, the childish nicknames, the freely spreading conspiracy theories, the calling of anything that criticizes him "a hoax", the ethnic bigotry, the willful ignorance, the buffoonishness, the ridicule of reporters, the constant and ubiquitous personal vanity, the silly bragging, and much more. All these things are character traits or behavior by Donald Trump that are , and have been for a long time, completely obvious. 

On this forum, and elsewhere, observations of Trump's overwhelmingly low character are described by his defenders as Trump Derangement Syndrome, a non existent affliction of so called "never Trumpers".   

TDS does not exist. As I have said before, although it would be on a different scale, saying there is Trump Derangement Syndrome would be like saying there could ever be a Bernie Madoff Derangement Syndrome or a Harvey Weinstein Derangement Syndrome.   Trump's low character and dysfunctional behaviors are known, they are not imagined or even exaggerated. 

Why are there no standards of personal character or personal behavior that Trump supporters demand he conform to as he serves as president of the United States? 

Why do they think his character is defensible, as many of them seem to?


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JohnRussell
1  author  JohnRussell    one month ago

I saw someone ask another person why he wouldnt defend Donald Trump.

This assumes you can defend the indefensible. 

Its one thing to say 

"I don't care if a liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat leads America for 8 years"

its another thing entirely to suggest his character is defensible. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Time for some new material John. Your repetitive rants are major yawn inducers.

The bigger question is why any sane person would vote for a Democrat.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

I take it you support a person of known low character to lead our nation? 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
I take it you support a person of known low character to lead our nation? 

Hardly JR, hardly.  That's why Hillary Clinton is on book tours and doing pod casts instead of occupying the White House.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    one month ago

To remove the morally bankrupt child who is running around 15,000 LIES from our White House.

I seem to recall our Government actually functioning just fine with Democratic Administrations.

 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
1.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago

Hmmm - you supported Hillary.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.1.5  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
I take it you support a person of known low character to lead our nation? 

You keep mixing up his character with his right to lead. He is where he is because he beat the rest of the pack - the rest is horsebeating.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.6  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.1    one month ago
I take it you support a person of known low character to lead our nation? 

So you admit to fall in the same category by voting for a democrat. Good to know...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1.4    one month ago

Well, she is not POTUS now is she.   It is time to lock the barn door as that horse left a long time ago.  It is about the totally unqualified two year old with his Mr. POTUShead toy, his Trumpbots, and his in house religious bimbo trying to fill a chair that is clearly made for grown ups.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2  r.t..b...  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago
This assumes you can defend the indefensible.

Impossible when it involves this megalomaniac. That is why every tweet and every policy decision invokes the media, the Dems, the 'deep state', the Obamas and/or the Clintons. So given he has no agenda other than operating in purely transactional terms and doing so always with the caveat of blaming those listed, the lack of vision is perhaps even more deleterious than his lack of character. 

For his followers, it is less defending this demonstrably broken man, but more seeing him as a vehicle to transfer their hatred of all those who threaten the comfort found in their privilege and their fear of losing that comfort...forgetting all the things that make this country truly great in their bumper-sticker sloganeering to get it back... when in fact, it has not been lost.

But it has certainly been threatened by those that scream the loudest in rallying around the one whom could care less about it.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.1  r.t..b...  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2    one month ago

For the record, in the hour this seed has been up, there have been (8) posts in rebuttal with (14) references to either Hillary, the Dems, liberals, progressives and socialists, LBJ, Kennedy and Biden.

Nary a comment defending the character of the man...just more bleating and parroting of his divisive words. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.2  XDm9mm  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.1    one month ago
Nary a comment defending the character of the man.

We have more fun watching the left in their habitual and complete mental meltdown on a near minute basis as they suffer the worst of Trump Derangement Syndrome.  

I don't know about the others, but I find it absolutely amusing, and actually look forward to additional vitriolic diatribes against Donald Trump, and Conservatives and Republicans in general.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.2.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.1    one month ago

why do people who don't care about the character of the people on "their" team act outraged when others do the same?  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.3    one month ago
why do people who don't care about the character of the people on "their" team act outraged when others do the same?  

The definition of a zero sum game.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
1.2.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.4    one month ago

No, Sean is just wrong.  There is no equivalent to Trump among the leading Democrats. 

Trump is a known liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat.  I repeat that a lot because it is proven. 

There is no leading Democrat that even comes close to the defects Trump has.  They might have a couple human failings. He has a mountain of them , and they appear on a daily basis. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2    one month ago

But it has certainly been threatened by those that scream the loudest in rallying around the very one whom could care less about it.

Or couldn't, but i would agree, as he is that vehicle you mention. That vehicle is a vessel packed with all that no one would want their off spring to take on fall outings to view the foliage that only discarded dead and decaying, former bright and animated, outlooks could envision. One now needs to look out for, as the posts signify, look outs, looking out for only what they can't bear, as the bearing set course is balls to see the walls Mexico builds to keep out American ignorance, as it is now submerged in traffic drug to drug more of those dragging feet to brake the momentum of monu-mental deficiencies that roll US on to Defeat.

And we can't stand, for this.

Corona brewing, as Montezuma plots a revenge to payback the black market where wares are housed to display works of Princes' formerly royal, now flush with black and white colored negatives that see right through what our president attempts to hide with a lead weight tied around his anticipated sink, thrown in, to complete the 'leader' submerging.

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I see this Corona-virus as TRump's latest and greatest Test to fail. To date, his LIES have cost very few lives  in glass houses his Lying image will cause for reflection, as his attempts to blame his usual go to's, will come from a shattered truth that he'll find difficult to insult, demean, blame, or cast as another fake news hoax, for this type of adversary is one Trumps' LIES will be called out on and upon, and even by his never ending defenders of the indefencible.

When thousands upon thousands of AMERICAN LIVES are lost,

can Trump stand up and be a leader, cause i'm betting he'll continue to be the lead wait we've been waiting for to drag him down and out of our political spectrum.

This IS SERIOUS, and it is just what i see this offensive indefensible one doing, as it is just who he is, and for those that have defended him to this point, specifically the GOP Senate, i hope you are all drug out with this indefensible offense

known as Trump

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.2.7  bbl-1  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.1    one month ago

That is all the Trumpers have.  The hair spray man slid with the 'Stormy Who' and now he believes himself invincible.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.1    one month ago

I have no intention of debating the president’s pre President behaviors and morals with you.  Those are settled.  I didn’t vote for him in part because of them in 2016.  He was elected over an even more morally challenged person.  I am voting for Trump in 2020 because the major failings of a decade or more before he ran have not been repeated and because he sought our support and bottom line, his record in office and accomplishments and attempts to keep promises made warrant his re election.  Period.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.9  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.2    one month ago

Exactly.  That Trump causes such heartburn on the secular progressive left is almost alone enough reason to re elect him.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.10  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.3    one month ago

It’s called double standards... or the H word ending in a Y and not happy.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.11  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.2.6    one month ago

Did you watch his press conference on FNC today regarding the virus with the VP and leading experts? 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.12  r.t..b...  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.2.8    one month ago
because he sought our support

That I will give him. He was politically savvy enough to tap into the fear to separate himself from the weak 2016 GOP field. He has continued to do so throughout his first term and will double-down in the run-up to November.

His base is unwavering, in spite of (or more likely because of) the daily barrage of incendiary comments. His intention has never been to unite the country, trust in our agencies, or honor the relationships with our allies. His only intention is to continue his campaign of self-adulation and seeking validation...and that can only be accomplished by the rallies he so craves, like an addict needing a fix.

That he has such faithful enablers to feed his addiction makes any need to change irrelevant. It is a co-dependent relationship ...never healthy in interpersonal relationships, downright dangerous on the macro-scale.

 
 
 
WallyW
1.2.13  WallyW  replied to  r.t..b... @1.2.12    one month ago

Your logic and reasoning are flawed. Your comments are nothing but psycho-babble.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.14  igknorantzrulz  replied to  WallyW @1.2.13    one month ago

Your logic and reasoning are flawed. Your comments are nothing but psycho-babble.

when comparative to Trump set forth below standards,

that is quite a statement of accomplishment , basically an unobtainable objective that is most

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.15  Tessylo  replied to  WallyW @1.2.13    one month ago

I don't know why you waste everyone's time . 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.16  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.2    one month ago
We have more fun watching the left in their habitual and complete mental meltdown on a near minute basis as they suffer the worst of Trump Derangement Syndrome.  

The Trump Derangement Syndrome actually consists of the unequivocal support of a man who is a compulsive liar. After over 4 years of his sycophants defending his lies with 'So what?' the chickens have come home to roost. 

Few if any believe Trump and that means that now, few if any believes that the government is 'doing a great job' protecting our citizens from a spreading pandemic. That's exasperated by the fact that medical experts have contradicted Trump's bloviations, sometimes from the same dais on the same day. 

I don't know about the others, but I find it absolutely amusing, and actually look forward to additional vitriolic diatribes against Donald Trump, and Conservatives and Republicans in general.

As long as conservatives and the GOP have their lips locked on Trump's ass, no matter WHAT he does or says [or doesn't do or say] they deserve the consequenses. 

So laugh it up XD. I just hope for your sake that you have local and state leadership that will step up because you sure as fuck can't count on Trump to do it or the tell the truth about it. 

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.2.17  dennis smith  replied to  Dulay @1.2.16    one month ago

Repeating the same thing for 4 years seems to be all the left has. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.18  Split Personality  replied to  dennis smith @1.2.17    one month ago

Sort of like listening or reading eight years of "Obama was an illegal immigrant with a fake birth certificate and a gay murderer raised by Communists who refuses to "unseal" his college transcripts and ruled like a dictator by EO's" /s

The "left" had ample teaching from the "right" when it came to repeating things ad nausea.

What comes around goes around?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.19  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.2.18    one month ago
'Sort of like listening or reading eight years of "Obama was an illegal immigrant with a fake birth certificate and a gay murderer raised by Communists who refuses to "unseal" his college transcripts and ruled like a dictator by EO's" /s'

Gee, you forgot about Obama was a gay coke addict and Michelle a transvestite with a penis.  How many memes from a former poster/moderator did we see on that one?  Michelle with a penis that is?

 
 
 
katrix
1.2.20  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.2.11    one month ago
Did you watch his press conference on FNC today regarding the virus with the VP and leading experts? 

He sure screwed that up. He can't even manage to understand basic facts about vaccines.

And then he keeps lying because he'd rather have Americans die than lose his chance at re-election.

Some hero you've got there.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.21  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @1.2.16    one month ago

Luckily, where I live and work (Columbia and Baltimore) our local and state leadership is on the ball - unlike the 'president' who disbanded the global pandemic team because Obama put it together.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.22  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @1.2.20    one month ago

Trump repeatedly misunderstands health officials advising him about coronavirus

Donald Trump    contended on Monday that a vaccine to prevent    coronavirus    cases could be ready in three months, only to be corrected by one of his top public health officials after he repeatedly appeared to misunderstand drug company executives' statements about their plans to test possible vaccines.

The president, during a Cabinet Room meeting with top pharmaceutical industry executives, said he has heard a vaccine could be ready in just three or four months. But      Anthony Fauci   , National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director, later clarified the remark, telling reporters getting a vaccine properly tested, cleared and distributed likely would take one year.

It was merely the latest time Mr Trump and his top health officials have contradicted one another since the coronavirus outbreak hit US soil. They also have issued different messages about the potential severity of the flu-like ailment and the likelihood that a significant number of cases is inevitable in the United States.

Mr Trump made the forecast even after being told by one industry bigwig that it would take "a year" for his company just to get a potential vaccine into clinics. Repeatedly during the confusing session, Mr Trump latched onto executives' mentions of moving into new phases of testing in the next few months. But Mr Fauci at one point broke in to try and explain to the president that required testing would not allow the drugs to actually reach Americans by summer.

During the same meeting that featured the president, Health and Human Services Secretary      Alex Azar       said Mr Trump pressed the industry officials to "challenge some of those normal Pharma timelines that can be a little slow and bureaucratic." Other Trump administration officials spoke vaguely of possibly getting "new countermeasures" available quickly without offering specifics.

Those remarks came a few hours after the president told reporters his team and drug makers are "talking about a vaccine, maybe a cure, it's possible".

Trump Says He Can Reassemble A Health Security Team Quickly (He Can't)

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Via:    tessylo    •    19 hours ago    •    12 comments

After disbanding his global health security team, Trump says he can reassemble it quickly. It'd be great if that were true, but it's not.

By   Steve Benen

As the federal response to the coronavirus outbreak continues to take shape, among the most important recent reports on the issue is    this     Foreign Policy    piece from a month ago, which said the United States "has never been less prepared for a pandemic."

Of particular interest was the article shining a light on Donald Trump's May 2018 decision to    order the shutdown    of the White House National Security Council's entire global health security unit. NBC News had a    good report    on this, also, noting that the president's decision "to downsize the White House national security staff -- and eliminate jobs addressing global pandemics -- is likely to hamper the U.S. government's response to the coronavirus."

For his part, Trump doesn't deny the fact that he disbanded his global health security team and proposed cuts to programs intended to prevent the spread of infectious disease. Instead, the president has argued that he can simply reassemble the operation as needed.

"I'm a business person," he      explained       on Wednesday. "I don't like having thousands of people around when you don't need them. When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

That may sound sensible. It's not. The      Washington Post       reports       today:


Former federal officials and public-health experts argue that an effective response to a epidemiological crisis demands sustained planning and investment. While the administration's response to coronavirus has been criticized in recent weeks as slow and disjointed, people in and outside the White House have warned for years that the nation is ill prepared for a dangerous pandemic.

Tom Inglesby, director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security,      told       the      Post   , "You build a fire department ahead of time. You don't wait for a fire. There is an underappreciation for the amount of time and resources required to build a prepared system."

Georgetown's Don Moynihan had a good tweet along these lines the other day,      adding   , "I'm a public management professor: once you have gutted institutional capacity, you cannot, in fact, quickly restore it."

The president, who's never shown much of an interest in how government works or is supposed to function, seems wholly unaware of all of this. It's yet another reason to question the White House's competence and capacity as the public-health emergency continues.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.2.23  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.21    one month ago
Luckily, where I live and work (Columbia and Baltimore) our local and state leadership is on the ball

Yeah because going to prison is such great leadership'

https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/10774142-181/former-baltimore-mayor-catherine-pugh

256

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2.24  Dulay  replied to  dennis smith @1.2.17    one month ago

Over 4 years of sycophancy is all the right has. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Trumps character and what people thought of it is a settled issue.  That was resolved by the results of the 2016 primaries and general election. He was elected over a candidate with far worse character issues.  We aren’t going to argue or re litigate character or moral issues.  Those are settled and none of the then serious ones have been repeated while he’s holding office.  We are voting for and supporting Trump based on his record.  The economy, military, energy independence, the tax and regulation cuts, the judiciary, his actions on pro life, religious liberty, prison sentencing reform, and so much more real things he’s done overall in office.  That s why we are going to re elect him and totally ignore all pre President character issues the never Trumpers and the left bring up.  Trump is listening to religious people with the capacity to forgive and is accepting our prayers on his behalf as our elected leader and President 

 
 
 
katrix
1.3.1  katrix  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.3    one month ago
 Trump is listening to religious people with the capacity to forgive and is accepting our prayers on his behalf as our elected leader and President 

You forgot that Trump said he's never asked God for forgiveness. Hell, he doesn't believe in any gods; rather, he thinks he himself is a god.

Nobody of decent morals could possibly defend Trump's character.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.4  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

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dennis smith
1.5  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @1    one month ago

Would agree with you if you had replaced Trump with Clinton

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    one month ago

TDS=Trump DENIAL Syndrome

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
2.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  lady in black @2    one month ago

You mean denial that Trump is our elected President of the United States? 

 
 
 
lady in black
2.1.1  lady in black  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @2.1    one month ago

Nope, the denial that he is the worst president this country has ever had

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  lady in black @2.1.1    one month ago

pardon me Lady, in black, but stop hogging up all the posts , Donald Trump's #1 best fan may need to get a word in edgewise

 
 
 
PJ
3  PJ    one month ago

They defend his lack of character because of their own lack of character.  They defend him because it's a way to indirectly defend their own lack of moral principles.  It's called self preservation.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

Sadly, in many cases I think you are right. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.2  MUVA  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

How is it self preservation?To some talking a good game is all they have.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

Are you saying that anyone who supports Trump lacks character and has no moral principles. Does that include me?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    one month ago

Greg, we know what Trump is - he is a liar, crook, bigot, moron, and cheat. 

So why do you support him?  Enlighten us as to why his low character doesnt matter to you? 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.1    one month ago

What does your misguided and distorted interpretation of Trump's character have to do with leadership? I support the policies and programs of the Republicans and the positive direction they want to take the country. .I support Trump's attempts to use diplomacy with the tyrants and dictators in today's world, rather than to go to war with them, which seems to be the Democrats approach.

I don't support open borders or unlimited and unregulated abortion. I don't support the dishonesty of the "tax the rich", they'll pay for all the free stuff, as the Dems make another promise that can't and won't keep. I don't support trying to impeach a sitting president over some ill advised phone call. I don't support "guilt by accusation" as was exemplified by the Democrats shameful display at the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings, where the presumption of innocence and due process were tossed out the window...same could be said of the phony impeachment clown show. I could go on, but perhaps you get the idea.

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JohnRussell
3.3.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.2    one month ago
What does your misguided and distorted interpretation of Trump's character have to do with leadership?

lol.   Over the past five years I have read up on Trump. I very much doubt you have.  You are a cheerleader for the worst president in history. It is what it is. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.2    one month ago

There are countless other Republican politicians who support the policies you like. Nominate one of them for president so our country can get it's self-respect back from this moron who is in office now. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.3.5  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.3    one month ago

Whatever John, but he is president today and will be president tomorrow.

What with the sorry bunch of brain dead Dems running for the WH, his reelection is all but assured

The Republicans will likely take the House back, and increase their numbers in the Senate.

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JohnRussell
3.3.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.5    one month ago
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If I said that to you, I would get a coc violation, but I'm going to let it go, because you have no other argument. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.3.7  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.6    one month ago

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JohnRussell
3.3.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.7    one month ago

Greg, I have had more comments deleted than anyone else on this forum.  Again you dont know what you are talking about. 

 
 
 
bugsy
3.3.9  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.8    one month ago
Greg, I have had more comments deleted than anyone else on this forum.

You know this how?

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.3.10  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3.7    one month ago

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.3.11  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.8    one month ago

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.3.12  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  bugsy @3.3.9    one month ago

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JohnRussell
3.3.13  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.3.11    one month ago

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cjcold
3.3.14  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.13    one month ago

No matter what name this user goes by, coherence is not his forte. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.8    one month ago

'Greg, I have had more comments deleted than anyone else on this forum.  Again you dont know what you are talking about.'

I bet to differ.  I think that would be me.    

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.16  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Tessylo @3.3.15    one month ago

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igknorantzrulz
3.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

They defend his lack of character because of their own lack of character.  They defend him because it's a way to indirectly defend their own lack of moral principles.  It's called self preservation.

I wouldn't say that is applicable to all. Some, yes, but with many others I do not believe it all comes down to character. I believe many defend him as to not have to admit to being wrong about him. They enjoy his projection, which constantly casts his human characteristics, on to his opponents, even if they are the opposite of he. And he enjoys making any that disagree or call his shit out, an enemy for him to belittle and attack. He reminds me of a big mouthed cheer leader for say the WWF mixed with the NFL. Everybody wants to be seen as a winner. All want to be on a winning team." Team America, FUCK YEA, coming to save the mutha fckn day !" style. His supporters have lost many an argument. Trump just denies losing these arguments, and twists them so his gullible following feel they are now winning, the same arguments they have always lost. He is causing us all to lose, and eventually it will be shown. History should NOT be required, but as stubborn and dug in as are the many, it just may.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.4.1  Greg Jones  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.4    one month ago
He is causing us all to lose, and eventually it will be shown. History should NOT be required, but as stubborn and dug in as are the many, it just may.

How is he causing us all to lose? Lose what? The problem is, is that he is winning, and the sore loser lefties just can't stand it.

 
 
 
PJ
3.4.2  PJ  replied to  igknorantzrulz @3.4    one month ago

I disagree.  Anyone who understands the difference between right and wrong and continues to support and defend this president is morally and principally broken or warped.

They are as sick as trump.  I do not buy the suggestion that it's not all trump supporters.  Yes, it is ALL trump supporters.  

The argument that it's about the policies is complete BS or irresponsibility.  To throw away humanity, our Constitution and our laws and civility because supporters believe those things are less important than an immigration policy that murders children can be nothing less than WRONG.  No explanation or outcome justifies their cruelty.   

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.4.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  PJ @3.4.2    one month ago

what is that saying about , honey, i think it is ...

 
 
 
squiggy
3.4.4  squiggy  replied to  PJ @3.4.2    one month ago
Anyone who understands the difference between right and wrong and continues to support and defend this president is morally and principally broken or warped.

... and you still can't find a candidate to beat him.

 
 
 
PJ
3.4.5  PJ  replied to  squiggy @3.4.4    one month ago

That's your comeback......that there are more fucked up people that will continue to support this president then good people like me?  What a sad argument.   I'd say I'm embarrassed for you but I've had to suffer through stupid statements like this for over 3 years now.  I typically tune it out but I couldn't help but highlight today's winner of the stupid statement award.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.4.6  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.1    one month ago

And with him winning, all America is winning. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.4.7  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  PJ @3.4.2    one month ago

All Trump supporters are as sick as Trump?! Really? Who died and put you in position to sit in judgement of all of us with a sweeping generalization like that.  I can’t wait until the democrats have a nominee so that I can say that about him or her and all their supporters... 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.4.8  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  PJ @3.4.5    one month ago

 I want to win that award from you many times a day every day forever more!  

 
 
 
PJ
3.4.9  PJ  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.4.7    one month ago

You already do.  Lol

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.4.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @3.4.2    one month ago

I bet some of those people's kids are taking notes.  They will be taking their parent's support of Trump as get out of jail free cards if they should ever lie, cheat, steal, or sexually assault someone.  After all, if those traits are okie dokie with their parents, especially in a POTUS, why should they worry about repercussions.

 
 
 
PJ
3.4.11  PJ  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.4.10    one month ago

Yes, let the reap what they sow.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.5  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

They attack his character because of their own lack of character.  They attack him because it’s a way to indirectly defend their own lack of moral principles.  It’s called self preservation.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.5    one month ago

whaaaat ?

 
 
 
PJ
3.5.2  PJ  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @3.5    one month ago

You don't have to win the award because the award was established in your honor.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  PJ @3    one month ago

I have stated the same thing on other seeds.

 
 
 
JBB
4  JBB    one month ago

Trump being irredeemable is a plus to the damn gop...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JBB @4    one month ago

Yes, it is more important to Trumpsters that their hero attack liberals and Democrats every day than that he be a leader of honesty integrity and character. 

I think this attitude is directly traceable to the emergence of right wing media and online sources over the past couple decades.  The level of vitriolic misinformation passed on by right wing media is off the charts, and it has resulted in a large population of enthusiastically and willingly ill- informed conservatives.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1    one month ago
Yes, it is more important to Trumpsters that their hero attack liberals and Democrats every day than that he be a leader of honesty integrity and character. 

Since when have any Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist "leaders", et al, been living and fine examples of honesty, integrity, and character???      jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.1.2  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.1    one month ago

Good question!   Good time to ask it.  

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.1    one month ago
Since when have any Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist "leaders", et al, been living and fine examples of honesty, integrity, and character??? 

Funny that this question was asked more than 24 hours ago and not 1 liberal has been able to answer it..

I don't think anyone is surprised.

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.4  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @4.1.3    one month ago

Stupid questions don't deserve answers.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @4.1.1    one month ago
Since when have any Democrat/liberal/progressive/socialist "leaders", et al, been living and fine examples of honesty, integrity, and character???  

There is a difference between being a living example of honesty, integrity and character. and being a LEADER wiyh honesty, integrity and character. Every one of our leaders have had personal character flaws, the difference is that Trump has NO redeeming qualities. NONE. 

 
 
 
cjcold
4.1.6  cjcold  replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    one month ago

Didn't notice any character flaws in Obama.

I guess that's why I voted for him twice.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.1.7  dennis smith  replied to  cjcold @4.1.4    one month ago

So how soon will the left stop asking questions?. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @4    one month ago

Another plus for the GOP is that the damn Dems don't have a candidate that's worth a shyt or is electable

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.2.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Greg Jones @4.2    one month ago

True enough.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
4.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JBB @4    one month ago

And we are proud to take and wear as a badge of honor that and deplorable coming from his opposition.  Oh, and don’t forget we are proudly still bitter clingers.  We deplorable irredeeemable bitter clingers to our guns and our God will re elect him and reply to these same attacks for four more years!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5  Sean Treacy    one month ago

I always laugh at this pearl clutching from Democrats.  Twenty years ago the party  of LBJ and the Kennedys (world class scumbags) openly celebrated that character doesn't matter in a President when they cheered on a President who was a perjurer and credibly accused of sexual assault and essentially paved the way for Donald Trump.  Now, after they just finished voting for yet another chronically dishonest Clinton of low character, they look around and somehow wonder with a straight face how Republicans could somehow vote for someone like Donald Trump.  

Now go extol Joe "can I steal your speech?" Biden without a hint of irony.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5    one month ago

I CHUCKLE when I see Trump supporters trot out the laundry list of Democrats that you have to borrow this or that from, over the past two hundred years, to compiles a list of character defects that equals what trump displays every day. 

It is astonishing. 

Johnson did this, Kennedy did that, Biden did this, Ted Kennedy did that, Jimmy carter lusted in his heart, Clinton lied, FDR had a girlfriend, Woodrow Wilson was a bigot, ad nauseum. 

Trump combines 200 years of Democratic leaders failings into one abominable package , and you think you are defending him? lol. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago
It is astonishing.

It most certainly is astonishing that you apparently only have a problem with Trump as opposed to all others.   Is it that he has actually been so successful for America that creates your umbrage and vitriolic hatred?   His personal failings aside, what is so objectionable to you JR?  Don't you appreciate a man that puts the well being and benefit of Americans and America over the other countries of the world?

I find it refreshing to be quite candid.  He is, unlike all recent politicians before him, Republican and Democrat alike, putting AMERICA first and not allowing other nations of the world to use and abuse us and our homeland.   What is so wrong with that?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    one month ago

When you have to pick here and there from countless Democrats across eras of American history in order to find faults that, combined, approach the faults of one man, Trump, you have already lost. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago

So tell us John, what did Trump do yesterday that pissed you off or made you unhappy? Please make a comprehensive list.

Do you realize that we, here on the forum , read your comments for comic relief. You're just another left wing hound baying at the moon.

You and your opinions have zero relevance or weight beyond this obscure leftwing website. What is your level of education?

With Trump we are winning, where in the world would we be with HRC in charge, It makes me "shutter" to think about it.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.1.4  MUVA  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.3    one month ago

I think it's called waking up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.5  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.3    one month ago

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You help define the problem though, and it is the people who support Trump.  Which is what I have been saying for almost 5 years. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago
you have already lost.

Hardly.  We won.  And we'll do so again this coming November.

I guess we'll be in for another four years of vitriolic diatribes when that happens, right JR?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    one month ago
Which is what I have been saying for almost 5 years. 

And will be saying for what will it be nine years?   Thanks for acknowledging that regardless of what good the man does, your hatred supersedes all of that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.8  author  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.7    one month ago

The good Trump does is a matter of politics. Conservatives like what he does and others dont like it. 

Regardless of his policies, he's not fit for office. It is an absolute disgrace that the president of the United States is a pathological liar. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.9  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    one month ago

So many on the secular progressive left attacked Bush 43 and Reagan just as harshly as they attack Trump now

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.10  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.6    one month ago

I just can’t wait for that!  

 
 
 
Freewill
5.1.11  Freewill  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.8    one month ago
It is an absolute disgrace that the president of the United States is a pathological liar.

Funny - Republicans said the same thing about Clinton, and about Obama as well, particularly with regard to his health care plan.  But I'd like to ask all of you, is the lying really an "absolute disgrace" and if so why can't you say it about the ones you support?  The disgrace is that ideologues can't be intellectually honest or refrain from hypocrisy.   They are all fucking liars one way or the other, Trump is just not very good at hiding it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.12  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Freewill @5.1.11    one month ago

Sounds as if you've lost your free will to think for ones self. There has NEVER been a potUS that comes even close to our current LIAR in Chief. FACT

 
 
 
Freewill
5.1.13  Freewill  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.12    one month ago

LOL!  Think for ones self?  So shall I just jump on the TDS bandwagon and grab some beers?  Project much Mr. Rulz?  Did you even read what I wrote?  I rest my case.  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.14  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Freewill @5.1.13    one month ago
I rest my case.  

well, i figure, sleep is for the rest insomnia can't bring to a climatic change denied by science denied by people who study why people study people whom can't currently currency rate when a dollar makes them holler for change, they could never accept as cinnamon toasted with French kissing tongues seared to tongs stuck on the grill of a gas grill car trunk with too much junk 

Commonly referred to as minds on land and sea adventures due to turf fpought for by those unable to surf the internet of an outer web of deceit, weaved in out of traffic signed off on buy people bought. Trump's choices are always the antithesis of their designated title, thus why Trump wins the Title of Liar in Chief if he ever told the truth, as it would remain aloof as he has the innate ability to diss all that is possible, yet, supposedly, people of intelligence, are a bull to eat the bovine imported excremeant for wons steering some to the dairy bar lost in grains of sanded beech wood found adrift,

wearing glass slippers that fit like OJ's glove on his Ford Bronco bucking the system that houses horses that consistently leave the door open ,

just because they live in a barn,

they never hit the side of.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    one month ago

When deplorables get their knickers in a bunch over past dem behavior, they still support the orange turd  who has and will continue with his embarrassing and unpresidential  behavior and simply rely on but but but (insert name) to excuse the same things they are slamming others for.  Maybe one day they will grow a spine, slap their heads and say "OMG!  I had to be insane to support this man.  But I fear that the Kool Aid toxicity has already done too much damage for them to recover.

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.1.16  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.5    one month ago

Thanks for the 5 years of humor

 
 
 
Texan1211
6  Texan1211    one month ago

Trump needs no defending from his critics. Doesn't matter what they say--he IS their President and will be until he leaves office.

What IS funny is that anyone who hates Trump as much as some here clearly do would even ask for anyone to defend him.

All they will do is attack anyone who they even THINK voted for Trump.

Same thing, day after day after day.

It is an obsession for some, I suppose, based on the sheer number of hate-filled rants about him.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @6    one month ago
Trump needs no defending from his critics.

Sounds like you can't

.

to me.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1    one month ago

Sorry, Charlie, but what it sounds like to you is on you, not me.

And that is of absolutely no interest to me.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  igknorantzrulz @6.1    one month ago

He who is without fault, cast the first stone...or something like that.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.1.3  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.2    one month ago

He who is without fault, cast the first stone...or something like that.

That's how i open my windows

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.4  cjcold  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.2    one month ago

I have a lot fewer faults and sins than Trump, his crew and his supporters.

I've always done my best to help folk. Trump has spent his life hurting folk.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @6.1.4    one month ago

'I have a lot fewer faults and sins than Trump, his crew and his supporters.

I've always done my best to help folk. Trump has spent his life hurting folk.'

and helping no one but himself.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6    one month ago
Trump needs no defending from his critics. Doesn't matter what they say--he IS their President and will be until he leaves office.

Sounds like you are saying the president of the United States can behave in any immoral way he wants and it is nobody's business because he won an election 4 years ago. 

That is absurd. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
6.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    one month ago

What immoral way? You're just making stuff up.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2    one month ago
Sounds like you are saying the president of the United States can behave in any immoral way he wants and it is nobody's business because he won an election 4 years ago. 
That is absurd. 

Sorry, Charlie, but what it sounds like to you is on you, not me.
And that is of absolutely no interest to me.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.3  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @6.2.1    one month ago

You dont think lying 15000 times is immoral?

Trump has REPEATEDLY said things that he knows are lies, many of his 15000 lies are repeats that have already been given four pinocchios by fact checkers. 

Trying to cheat on your next election is IMMORAL. Particularly when you use your elected office to do it. 

I could go on all day but I am talking to a wall. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.4  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.2    one month ago
Sorry, Charlie, but what it sounds like to you is on you, not me.And that is of absolutely no interest to me.

If it is all of no interest to you please stop commenting to me right now.  I understand you dont care if Trump is a known liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat.  We all knew that long ago actually. 

If you would like to further advertise you dont care you might write your own article or seed for a change. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.4    one month ago
I understand you dont care if Trump is a known liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat.  We all knew that long ago actually. 

What I really, really understand well is the fact that almost 4 years after the fact, Trump still lives rent-free in the heads of some whose entire lives are filled with nothing more than pure, unadulterated hatred for the man who beat the best Democrats could offer up.

I pity those folks.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.6  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    one month ago

I try to discourage babbling on my articles and seeds. 

TDS does not exist, any more than Charles Manson Derangement Syndrome existed. 

There are good reasons people detest Trump and want him out yesterday. 

The problem in America is not those who "have" so called "TDS", the problem in America is that Trump supporters have invented an imaginary condition so they can pretend they have a justification for supporting a total dishonest moronic immoral buffoon for re-election. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
6.2.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.5    one month ago

I pity those folks.

i pity all Trump attempted defenders , like

Mr. T, i pity the fool(s)

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    one month ago
I try to discourage babbling on my articles and seeds. 

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TDS does not exist, any more than Charles Manson Derangement Syndrome existed. 

Why are YOU bringing TDS up? I certainly didn't mention it!

Guilty conscience?

 
 
 
MonsterMash
6.2.9  MonsterMash  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    one month ago

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squiggy
6.2.10  squiggy  replied to  MonsterMash @6.2.9    one month ago

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WallyW
6.2.11  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    one month ago
I try to discourage babbling on my articles and seeds. 

Then stop doing it yourself.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.12  author  JohnRussell  replied to  squiggy @6.2.10    one month ago

This may be the stupidest thing I've ever seen on the internet

800

 
 
 
squiggy
6.2.13  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.12    one month ago

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dennis smith
6.2.14  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.6    one month ago

There are good reasons people detest Trump and want him out yesterday. 

Those people who detest Trump tried to get him out of office and failed miserably with their impeachment trial. They and their followers are the losers and will remain so for 4 more years 

 
 
 
dennis smith
6.2.15  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.12    one month ago
Many more stupid things have been said on NT about Trump by the Trump haters.
 
 
 
Tacos!
7  Tacos!    one month ago
Why do they think his character is defensible, as many of them seem to?

Like who, for example?

 
 
 
bugsy
7.1  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @7    one month ago

I honestly believe that John thinks EVERYBODY in this country believes the way he does.

 
 
 
WallyW
7.1.1  WallyW  replied to  bugsy @7.1    one month ago

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JohnRussell
7.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  WallyW @7.1.1    one month ago
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Your'e a funny guy Wally. Maybe you can replace Rush Limbaugh when it's time for him to go. 

 
 
 
freepress
8  freepress    one month ago

They aren't actually defending his character. They are defending his LACK of character. They don't care about his character if they can "own the libs". The right wing and the fake "tea party" and their fake support of the Constitution has gone completely out the window. They never really cared about taxes, even after they've seen what Trump did to hand corporate welfare tax cuts which did not help his own base. They don't care about anything but an extreme right wing racist nationalist agenda that will stick it to the "libs". Trump's pettiness mimics their own, they see themselves in what he mirrors back to them and they love it.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  freepress @8    one month ago

damn straight

 
 
 
TᵢG
9  TᵢG    one month ago
Why do they think his character is defensible, as many of them seem to?

I do not recall anyone trying to defend Trump's character.   Even his supporters here on NT tend to acknowledge that he is a juvenile, narcissistic asshole.   

They support him in spite of that.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.1  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @9    one month ago

TiG - I'd say that they support the policies he has working - not that they support him.

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  1stwarrior @9.1    one month ago

I think you are correct.   Please have a word with John.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.1    one month ago

I'd like too, but I don't need any tickets.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @9    one month ago

There are plenty here that support Trump despite his policies, especially when it came to his 'foreign policy' in regards to the Ukraine. They pretended that what Trump did was just honky dory, from his lies about it never happening to his claim and even if he did it, 'So what?'. 

 
 
 
katrix
9.2.1  katrix  replied to  Dulay @9.2    one month ago

The hypocrisy really bothers me. If Obama had done something like that, they would have been screeching "LOCK HIM UP!"

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @9.2    one month ago

Several in particular decry Bloomberg in terms of character based on allegations and rumor alone while serving as unabashed sycophants for Trump.    

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.3  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @9.2.2    one month ago

Neither irony or hypocrisy phases them. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
9.2.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @9.2.3    one month ago

That's a road you want to go down? LOL

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.2.4    one month ago

Sure. Have at it Sean but DO expect to support your comments with links rather than proclamations. You can do that right? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @9.2.3    one month ago

Part of the reason I like discussion forums (like NT where rich content and dialogue is possible rather than sporadic one-liners) is that one can observe, at times, truly remarkable, curious mental processes.   It is intriguing to observe people who will willingly write even outrageously stupid comments to defend the indefensible and argue the unarguable.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
9.2.7  1stwarrior  replied to  katrix @9.2.1    one month ago

LOCK HIM UP - you mean THIS money??

a former senior intelligence official who said that much of the $1.8 billion cash payoff from the Obama administration was used explicitly to  fund terrorism  as an additional “screw you” from the leaders of Iran — including Soleimani —  to the United States. 

The cash payment authorized by Obama is one of the most disgraceful and shameful “negotiations” in the history of our nation. It was a payment the Obama White House first denied, then ignored and then grudgingly acknowledged.

We paid in cash, but not U.S. currency. Wary of using U.S. bills for a variety of reasons involving concealment, the Obama White House  had the money converted  to untraceable Euros, Swiss francs, and other foreign currencies. More troubling than those initial denials and deceptions was the fact that $400 million of that all-cash payment was used to pay a ransom to the government of Iran for the  release of four American prisoners , in violation of standing U.S. policy.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/477666-obama-should-apologize-for-shameful-cash-payment-to-iran

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.8  Dulay  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.7    one month ago

It's sad to see you posting such an uninformed opinion piece 1st. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  1stwarrior @9.2.7    one month ago

Thanks for pointing out what many of us recognized at the time.

Of course some of the money fueled terrorism.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
10  Jeremy Retired in NC    one month ago

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