Biden Captured on Twitter

  
Via:  tig  •  3 months ago  •  259 comments

By:   @bennyjohnson

Biden Captured on Twitter
“You are full of shit”

Man ... this looks like another crappy election season.    What is wrong with our system when we are left with these as our only choices for PotUS?


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Today, Joe Biden yelled in the faces of blue collar Union autoworkers from Michigan. Biden said: - “You are full of shit” - “Shush!” - “You don’t need an AR-14” - “Don’t be a horses ass” - “An AR is a machine gun!” - "I'm not working for you"


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TᵢG
1  seeder  TᵢG    3 months ago

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This is painful to observe ... and I expect this to continue.   The general will be between two old white guys, neither of whom have a filter between brain and mouth.

 
 
 
Transyferous Rex
1.1  Transyferous Rex  replied to  TᵢG @1    3 months ago
What is wrong with our system when we are left with these as our only choices for PotUS?

TiG, I don't think it is the system. Certainly the system allows the opportunity for this to happen, but at the end of the day, the voters still have a say. I think the issue is highlighted by the congressional approval rating vs. retention. Last fall, the approval rating was less than 20%. Retention? I read an article suggesting that the most recent rate for retention was around 98%, and is historically in the 90s. 

With the exception of Trump, where are the choices coming from? Who is driving the bus? I would suggest its the same people more than 80% think are doing a poor job, but for some reason keep on sending to D.C. It's almost like the parents of the bad kid in school. Ignore, redirect, look beyond, etc., everything your child does, while blaming the other kids for your child's social issues at school. How do you end up with a guy that claims:

"From the very beginning, I have a shotgun, I have a 20 gage, a 12 gauge, my sons hunt. Guess what, you're not allowed to own any weapon."

Freudian slip? I don't know, that's an aside. But, anyone that claims Biden is all there is not being honest. Anyone that thinks the voting democrats would promote Joe from the beginning is not being honest. He is being propped up, again I think, by the same folks the wide majority of people think are doing a poor job. I don't know, keep sending them to D.C. though. 

Real problem is, IMO, integrity. Do you trash a good system, which I think we have, to address the issue of the lack if integrity of the various members?

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.1.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Transyferous Rex @1.1    3 months ago
TiG, I don't think it is the system.

I include the electorate as part of the system.   I am okay with the system as designed.   It is a good system that has been screwed up over time by people seeking advantage.

If the electorate (as you note) were to be more responsible, less apathetic, more informed then we could collectively demand better candidates and demand better behavior from our elected officials.   Sadly, that never happens and I see no sign that this is changing.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
1.2  MonsterMash  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 months ago
 The general will be between two old white guys

I believe you're wrong, the general will be between an old white guy and an old white woman.....HILLARY

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  MonsterMash @1.2    2 months ago

Why would you think that?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.2  Krishna  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    2 months ago
Why would you think that?

Its called "HDS".

"Hillary Derangement Syndrome"

People who have it are obsessed with Hillary Clinton, and believe she has too much power. The actually believe Hillary is the main issue facing America today!

Some of them are sto incredably stupid that they don't They don't even realize she's no longer in office!

(Welcome to the Internet :-)

 
 
 
MonsterMash
1.2.3  MonsterMash  replied to  Krishna @1.2.2    2 months ago
Its called "HDS".

"Hillary Derangement Syndrome

Oh sure, like another NT member who's entire life centers around Trump I spend at least 20 hours a day looking for articles I can seed that are derogatory to Hillary and I write orginal articles about how shitty Hillary is at least 5 times every day lol.

"HDS"  no one will ever accuse you of having an orginal thought.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 months ago

If this is what he thinks of potential constituents, then I would have serious doubts about even considering voting for someone like that!

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.3.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.3    2 months ago

Then you probably are left with Sanders (but he will not get the D nomination).    Both Biden and Trump have a problem looking down on voters.   I suspect Trump is much worse given he seems to hold himself superior to everyone (including those he hires and appoints) since nobody has his big brain.   Biden does not strike me as a narcissist;  he just does not have a very good filter between mind and mouth.

I am not happy with our choices (again).

 
 
 
It Is ME
1.3.2  It Is ME  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.1    2 months ago
I suspect Trump is much worse given he seems to hold himself superior to everyone (including those he hires and appoints)

That doesn't seem to be an issue with voters. They really don't mind Someone in Elected office, going all "Bad" on other elected "Officials".

Haven't heard Trump say that "American Citizens" are ……. "Inferior" !

Biden does not strike me as a narcissist;  he just does not have a very good filter between mind and mouth.

Bidens a "Waffler" in his rhetoric !

Trumps "Consistant" in his rhetoric !

 
 
 
CB
1.3.3  CB   replied to  It Is ME @1.3.2    2 months ago

Okay, time to get back to reality. Donald Trump consistently tries to shape reality to his perspective. Thus, he LIED on this virus and called it a ". . .democrat (sic) hoax!!!" The very next day, the first case DIED of a hoax— NOT! One could question if the leader of the country even knew we had our version of "patient zero" in the country!

Selecto.vision On, supporters of Trump run silent . . . , with their commentary when questioned about that rally, its reproducible video, and the facts of the matter.

Karma is irony. The stock market is old is new again. Just like 2017 all over! 'Ugly' does not pay! Being a shockingly crude and rude jerk for three years and breaking stuff for the effect has landed us back here:

19,898.92
1,338.46 (6.30%)
March 18, 5:41 PM EDT

Nobody has to play a game of hate on Trump. He hired himself out to be Mitch McConnell's twin in stifling liberals and acting like they don't exist when it suits his purposes. This is his presidential hard and fast moment and he undertakes it without the people's full support, because he spit, pissed, and farted down the common well used by all!
 
 
 
KDMichigan
1.3.4  KDMichigan  replied to  CB @1.3.3    2 months ago

It's been proven that a lot of gullible people believe Trump called the corona virus a hoax, a heavy dose of TDS helps them believe that B.S.

 
 
 
CB
1.3.5  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @1.3.4    2 months ago

Gullible people you want? Okay try this "411."  NOTE: Please view the following with Selecto.vision Off.

@4.1.1

@4.1.2

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.3.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1.3.1    2 months ago

I certainly hope not because I absolutely refuse to vote for Sanders more than I would Biden. Neither is acceptable to me

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    3 months ago

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TᵢG
3.1  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 months ago

It does not look as though Sanders will get the nomination.   Looks pretty clear to be Biden vs. Trump.

 
 
 
evilgenius
3.1.1  evilgenius  replied to  TᵢG @3.1    3 months ago

Mathematically it would be a crazy tough haul for Sanders. Sanders doesn't see a favorable state primary until April. The numbers of young voters that favor Sanders just hasn't turned out like it did in 2016.

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.2  JBB  replied to  evilgenius @3.1.1    3 months ago

But, Biden is bringing out the Obama coalition.

 
 
 
dennis smith
3.1.3  dennis smith  replied to  JBB @3.1.2    3 months ago

That will result in a certain Biden loss.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4  Kathleen    3 months ago

If something so trivial sets him off, how will he handle the pressures of being a President?  This man is not emotionally capable of this.  His wife should realize this.

 
 
 
Sparty On
4.1  Sparty On  replied to  Kathleen @4    3 months ago

Poor thing is doing her best to protect him.

She seems like a very good woman but she can only do so much.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.1  CB   replied to  Sparty On @4.1    2 months ago

And this happened at the last TRUMP rally. . . .

Trump: Coronavirus is Democrats' 'new hoax'

And then there were no mo' rallies. . . . Because of Coronavirus "popping out" and deaths on the rise.

TRUMP, you rag-tag old serpent . . . . "There you go again." 72

 
 
 
CB
4.1.2  CB   replied to  CB @4.1.1    2 months ago

I want y'all to take stock of Biden's cussing and "unattractive" behavior, for which I have done my part and will continue to do my part to write him or call him on.

Now, I want you all to compare the outrageous lying going on @4.1.1 above by the sitting president of our nation (holding the job Joe wants for himself) and somebody tell me, anybody for that matter, was not wasting precious time at a Friday night February 28, South Carolina rally testing out his new "hoax" creation joke when this happened the very next day:

A Washington state man in his 50s has become the first person in the US to die from the coronavirus

February 29, 2020.

Please note the opening sound when Trump takes the podium and announces the death of a sick WOMAN; it was a sick MAN who passed away the day after Trump called the Coronavirus a "hoax." (Lies have consequences!)

  1. How come a sitting president allowed himself to be duped about something happening under his very nose?
  2. How come the sitting president has his facts screwed over at the microphone with cameras rolling? Who said a woman died (in his notes)?
  3. Would this man and the other deaths which have taken place been better off with a more alert system - under a president who was not playing pretend?

This is what lying will/can do and lead to. Imagine if your family had loss a member or several and the sitting president was out on a rally lying to the public about who is responsible for it?! 

Where is YOUR outrage? Oh, you're not outraged because it did not happen to you? (Rhetorical question.)

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.2  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @4    3 months ago

Well the campaign trail is taxing and I would expect it to fray anyone's nerves.   But, I generally agree with you.   When running for PotUS one should act presidential.

It is ironic though that the current PotUS did the exact opposite and was elected.    Who knows what is going on with the electorate nowadays?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Kathleen @4    3 months ago
If something so trivial sets him off, how will he handle the pressures of being a President?

Like this is the 1st time he has lost his cool with a question? 

Running for office can cause a lot of anxiety, maybe he will take some advice from slick willy on how to deal with it instead of berating his potential voters?

 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @4    3 months ago
If something so trivial sets him off, how will he handle the pressures of being a President?

Trivial?  Repeated lies about his wanting to revoke the 4th Amendment and take away people's guns? How would you feel if people kept repeating the same lie over and over about you?  At least it shows that he doesn't want to put up with bullshit and lies that keep getting thrown in his direction anymore.

Baby Trump gets set off if someone takes a picture of him in the wrong light.

P.S. Of the people running for President, only one has openly advocated taking away someone's guns without due process.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.4.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4    3 months ago
Trivial? 

Yes trivial, how is he going to act when Trump starts trolling him, if he gets the nomination it is going to be Hillaryious.

 Repeated lies about his wanting to revoke the 4th Amendment 

I didn't catch any of that, I thought that was Bloomberg's thing.

 take away people's guns? How would you feel if people kept repeating the same lie over

Guess you didn't watch the video, the man was very articulate in explaining his position. Biden was the one  shooting off at the mouth that he would employ Beto as his gun control czar and Beto has taken the gun confiscation stance.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.4.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4    3 months ago

Jesus did you hurt yourself reaching for that one? He specifically said "A lot of times it takes so long to go to court..................I like taking the guns early like in this crazy man's case that just took place in Florida,.......To go to court would have taken a long time. We can do exactly what you're saying but take the guns first Then go through due process."

Heard of the red flag laws passed recently?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.4.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.2    3 months ago
Heard of the red flag laws passed recently?

But, but Trump!!!!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.2    3 months ago

Heard of the red flag laws passed recently?

Red flag laws are part of "DUE PROCESS".  Do you get dizzy spinning that fast?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.5  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @4.4.1    3 months ago
Yes trivial, how is he going to act when Trump starts trolling him, if he gets the nomination it is going to be Hillaryious.

We'll have to wait and see.  It looks like he is not going to put up with Trump's lies and bullshit though.

I didn't catch any of that, I thought that was Bloomberg's thing.

That's what he was confronted about.

Guess you didn't watch the video, the man was very articulate in explaining his position.

You just said in the previous sentence that you didn't catch the gun part of the video.  Now you're claiming you did watch the video? 

He can be as articulate as he wants, when he is spouting lies, they are still lies.

Biden was the one  shooting off at the mouth that he would employ Beto as his gun control czar and Beto has taken the gun confiscation stance.

Guilt by association?  Is that what you are going for now?

How about Trump and Epstein?  They were both sued by the same girl for rape when she was 13.  Guilt by association in your mind?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.4.6  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4.5    3 months ago
We'll have to wait and see.  It looks like he is not going to put up with Trump's lies and bullshit though.

Put the TDS aside, President Trump had nothing to do with it, It was at a union rally witch by the way have a tendency to vote Democrat, do try to keep up.

That's what he was confronted about.

So you are doubling down on that 4th amendment comment? jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

You just said in the previous sentence that you didn't catch the gun part of the video.  Now you're claiming you did watch the video? 

Go back and try rereading what I posted. 

Guilt by association?  Is that what you are going for now?

Just playing the Democrat playbook. So a guy who's whole platform was gun confiscation is who Biden wants to lead his gun control initiative and his supporter have no right to question him on it? How liberal of you.

How about Trump and Epstein?  

Ah yes your go to, you haven't played that out yet? Tell me again How many times Clinton, I mean Trump was at pervert Island? Surprised you would bring that up today of all days when the democrats darling Weinstein just got sentenced.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4.7  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4    3 months ago

It is trivial, it was just a question.  If he does become the President, he will need lots of help around him.  He does have a short fuse.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.8  Ozzwald  replied to  KDMichigan @4.4.6    2 months ago
Put the TDS aside, President Trump had nothing to do with it

You're the one that mentioned Trump!!!  jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

So you are doubling down on that 4th amendment comment?

You really didn't listen to it did you?

Go back and try rereading what I posted. 

I did, you need to reread what you write.

Just playing the Democrat playbook. So a guy who's whole platform was gun confiscation is who Biden wants to lead his gun control initiative and his supporter have no right to question him on it? How liberal of you.

Just say, yes, you do believe in guilt by association.

Ah yes your go to, you haven't played that out yet?

My go to?  You want to show me other times I "went to" this?

Tell me again How many times Clinton, I mean Trump was at pervert Island? Surprised you would bring that up today of all days when the democrats darling Weinstein just got sentenced.

To quote you, " Go back and try rereading what I posted."   I asked a question, in English, the question mark (?) indicates a query not a statement.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.9  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @4.4.7    2 months ago
If he does become the President, he will need lots of help around him.

Just like every other POTUS in history.  Not sure what point you are trying to make here....

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4.10  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4.9    2 months ago

You are right, all the presidents need others around, but they do not have problems with their minds like I have noticed Biden has.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.11  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @4.4.10    2 months ago
You are right, all the presidents need others around, but they do not have problems with their minds like I have noticed Biden has.

Please provide your medical credentials so we may judge your fitness to diagnose a subject without 1st hand examinations.

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4.12  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4.11    2 months ago

I don’t need to, it’s quite obvious. 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.4.13  Ozzwald  replied to  Kathleen @4.4.12    2 months ago
I don’t need to, it’s quite obvious. 

You are offering up a medical diagnoses.  Yet are refusing to explain your qualifications to make such a diagnoses?

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Kathleen
4.4.14  Kathleen  replied to  Ozzwald @4.4.13    2 months ago

No, I am telling you what I have noticed and it is my opinion, just like it is your opinion that he may not have issues.  I am sure you cannot prove anything as well. I am sure if it was someone else, you would not be asking for any medical records... right?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.4.15  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kathleen @4.4.14    2 months ago

And you would be correct. We have several posters here that seem to have an internet psychology degree when it comes to analyzing Mr. Trump. I am sure they will point to "doctors" who have in the past expressed their opinions of Trump's mental state without so much as a personal interview but they are right if looking from the outside in is to be considered................and it shouldn't be

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.4.16  Kathleen  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.15    2 months ago

Yes...

 
 
 
loki12
4.4.17  loki12  replied to  Kathleen @4.4.16    2 months ago

Kathleen, here is a comprehensive list of what other posters are entitled to from you,

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etc.....

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 months ago

Bidens a fucking idiot. 

An AR is NOT a machine gun. 

An AR is NOT an "assault rifle/weapon"

When are these idiots going to understand this?

Then talking down to possible voters?  I remember another candidate doing this.  She lost the election.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago

Jeremy,

Were AR's included in the assault rifle ban that we did have?

Btw, I am aware that it is a semi-automatic rifle, but it can be converted easily with a bump stock. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.1  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    3 months ago

I'm sure Jeremy will answer your question but something else you probably didn't catch about his screwed up comment.   It's AR-15 not AR-14.   There is a 14 but its a M-14 which is selective fire meaning the weapon can be switched from semi auto to full auto.   The civilian version of the M-14 is the M-1A and is semi auto only.

So Joe wasn't really close on much of anything in his comment.

To me the guy has clear anger issues.   I see some of my Dad (who has dementia) in Biden and i don't wish that on anyone let alone our next potential POTUS.

 
 
 
zuksam
5.1.2  zuksam  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.1    3 months ago

There's the Ruger Mini-14 which is a cool gun and can be fitted with different stocks and accessories to look either like a M-14 or similar to a AR-15. They have the mini-14 (.223) and mini-30 (7.62×39mm).

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.3  Sparty On  replied to  zuksam @5.1.2    3 months ago

Yeah, i might be very familiar with that weapon.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
5.1.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    3 months ago

And bumps stocks are already banned.  Not to mention a bump stock is only as good as the buffer spring.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.1    3 months ago

Sparty,

I realize his mistake was the difference between was an AR v M rifle. 

And I am sorry, but I don't see anger management issues. I have seen worse outbreaks here on this site, LOL. And right now we have a president who holds grudges and can't talk about testing kits without bringing up his gripes. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.6  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.4    3 months ago

Bump stocks are only banned in a few states, and the quality of the bump stock is not the issue here. It is that these AR15 can be made to act like an automatic rifle.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.6    3 months ago

It would be very interesting to see if a bump stock was made for the AR-14.  My understanding is that it was not a popular sport rifle.

Also, the Armalite 10 was also advertised as the AR 10-14 if it had the 14 inch barrel which some folks called

AR 14s in error.

So much confusion about guns that have been around since the 50's.

512

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.8  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.6    3 months ago

You are wrong about bump stocks, Thank you President Trump. Biden is a bigger idiot than the fool Bloomberg.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3274917002

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @5.1.8    3 months ago

I stand corrected. This is very new.

 
 
 
loki12
5.1.11  loki12  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.9    3 months ago

I guess a year ago is new, when you are as old as I am.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  loki12 @5.1.11    3 months ago
I guess a year ago is new, when you are as old as I am.

Now, that is funny. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.5    2 months ago
And I am sorry, but I don't see anger management issues.

Well i clearly disagree there.   He spontaneously flew off the handle in a venue that is traditionally 100% friendly to Democrat politicians.   A place where he should have been absolutely comfortable.   Thats not normal IMO.   So either he has anger management issues or some underlying mental condition that can impede normal self control.   Like many forms of dementia can cause.

This is nothing new with Biden.   It appears to be happening more frequently.

I know this isn't optimal for those favoring a Dem for President but it is what it is.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.7    2 months ago

Whoa .... took awhile to dig that justification up eh SP?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.1.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.6    2 months ago

Youre correct.  Bump stocks arent the issue. That is a whole other pile of garbage. 

Several firearms can be altered to fire as an automatic.  But only ONE has peoples panties in a was - the AR 15.  All because its APPEARANCE is that of the M4.  A weapon restricted to certain groups.  

The actual issue is this blithering idiot that is in the running to be POTUS doesnt know the difference between a "machine gun" and an AR 15 talking down to voters.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.16  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.13    2 months ago
So either he has anger management issues or some underlying mental condition that can impede normal self control.

He was being challenged.   He lost his cool.   I fault him for that because he is running for PotUS and it is critical that he remain composed.   If one cannot control one's temper, manage one's words in a coherent fashion, etc. in public on the campaign trail, some will consider that a problem with temperament and that is an important issue given the office he seeks.

But I certainly understand how it happened.  The guy is no doubt stressed and tired and after a while the crap of a campaign will wear on anyone.   Hell, look at what triggers people here on NT.   I do not personally see this as a psychological disorder;  seems like an extreme and unfair analysis.

We are likely to have a general choice between Biden and Trump.   My comment per this seed is that I am again underwhelmed with the choices we have for the most powerful office on the planet.   Seems to me the rest of the planet has every right to question the judgment of the USA electorate since out of 327 million people we cannot seem to nominate even an adequate candidate for the office.   Logically, we should be able to nominate a pillar of society like Eisenhower.    Seems to me our choices grow worse on each election cycle.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.14    2 months ago

The internet is at your fingertips, loljrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
5.1.18  CB   replied to  TᵢG @5.1.16    2 months ago
 My comment per this seed is that I am again underwhelmed with the choices we have for the most powerful office on the planet.   Seems to me the rest of the planet has every right to question the judgment of the USA electorate since out of 327 million people we cannot seem to nominate even an adequate candidate for the office. 

Tig, I want you to know that I take stock of your point in this comment thread. However, there were twenty plus "contestants" in the sweeps of democratic candidate for president, the process has come down to two men neither which are new to politics. Against another sitting "contestant" of a similar age all in their 70's. That says something about the voters taste and choices at this time. On both sides, the voters with deliberation, did what you see.

Let's keep that in the front of our minds.

Today, I emailed the Biden campaign about the cussing. Warning them also about getting hit with "lesser of two evils" charge, and reminding them about the higher standard Biden wants for himself: To restore decency in word and deed to the presidency. Now, not because of my writing, but hopefully I am one of many (a percentage) that have written or will write the Biden campaign similarly asking that in his efforts to fight "fire" not to use more fire, but a wider and heavier water hose!

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.19  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  CB @5.1.18    2 months ago
On both sides, the voters with deliberation, did what you see.

They did.  That is the basis of my point.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.20  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.15    2 months ago
The actual issue is this blithering idiot that is in the running to be POTUS doesnt know the difference between a "machine gun" and an AR 15 talking down to voters.

First of all, most people who don't own guns don't know the difference. Second, he used the word "machine gun", which is just vernacular, since I think Capone was the last to use it. We all know he meant semi or automatic weapons. And he lost his temper, that isn't talking down to voters. 

Look, Biden is not issue free, but neither is Trump, and I think that is the point that Tig is trying to make. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.21  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sparty On @5.1.13    2 months ago

Sparty,

He flew off because he was being confronted on something he has taken a position on and was being challenged in an unfriendly way. 

And yes this is nothing new for Biden. He might be doing it more because campaigning is very stressful. I am not going to play neurologist on his mental state. To me, he seems like the Biden we have always known.

I know this isn't optimal for those favoring a Dem for President but it is what it is.

Both Tig and I are indies. It's not so much that we are favoring a dem for Prez. There are no other choices and at least I like Biden better than Trump. He wouldn't have been my first choice and he isn't Bernie, who I couldn't vote for.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.22  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.20    2 months ago
Look, Biden is not issue free, but neither is Trump, and I think that is the point that Tig is trying to make. 

Indeed.   We are now virtually done with the D nomination process and look what we have as the counter to Trump.   Biden is a good guy in stark comparison to Trump, but he is a far cry from what I personally consider to be presidential material.

Thus the question I offer is:   why is this the best we (the USA electorate) can do?

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.23  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.21    2 months ago

It is a no win situation for some.

If he didn't fight back he would have been called wishy washy and not able to handle confrontation. Fight back and be called unhinged and not stable.

He will be jumped on and attacked any way he goes.

The sad thing is, none of this is even about policy. It is all about trying to paint an unflattering picture.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.21    2 months ago
He wouldn't have been my first choice and he isn't Bernie, who I couldn't vote for.

If Sanders had been the nominee, who were you going to vote for? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.25  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5.1.23    2 months ago
If he didn't fight back he would have been called wishy washy and not able to handle confrontation.

Fighting back is perfect.   He should challenge his accusers.   It it the manner in which he did it that bothers me.

Take NT interactions as an example.   One can disagree with another in candid topical terms (pulling no punches) without getting personal, without stammering about visibly trying to collect thoughts, etc.   When I see people here engage in slimy debate tactics, deflect, strawman, invented allegations, make things personal, etc. I am less likely to take them seriously and more likely to interpret their response as uncontrolled emotion.   But if someone debates hard with candid, topical points, solid reasoning, etc.,  that makes me take their comments quite seriously (and carefully).

Joe should never, ever call someone names.   Never tell someone they are 'full of shit'.   Far better to say:  'I understand what you are saying, now listen, here is why I think you are mistaken'.   I would bet huge that his campaign advisers have already tried to impart that to him.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.26  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.20    2 months ago
Look, Biden is not issue free, but neither is Trump

Look ma , "both sides...."

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.27  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.24    2 months ago

John, secretly we are all going to vote for Trump.   

You too will vote for Trump.   Resistance is futile.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.28  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.26    2 months ago

Well when one is engaging in political analysis one will normally look at the factors on both sides.

Analysis is different from political activism and pure partisanship.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.29  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.22    2 months ago

Thus the question I offer is:   why is this the best we (the USA electorate) can do?

I blame it on our election finance laws and our two party failure system.

Citizens United to Divide what they've effectively multiplied. Ridiculous monies purchasing candidates that answer to the money sources, as they have more influence than the constituents they are supposed to represent. 

If candidates don't tow the party line, left behind. See Bernie 2016 and 2020 ( Trump is the abomination and a weird exception) 

We need Election Finance Reform in my uneducated opinion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.30  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.27    2 months ago

Why are you replying to me when I am talking to Perrie? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.31  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.30    2 months ago

You are not having a private conversation with Perrie.   You are on a social forum where everyone is involved and can REPLY on any comment.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.32  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.31    2 months ago

I have private conversations with myself all the time around here.

i don't understand me either !

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.33  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.32    2 months ago

None of us understand you iggy, that is part of your charm.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.34  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.25    2 months ago

I get what you are saying. It just seems to me they are trying to get him into these gotcha moments, yet with his experience, he should be able to handle things on the fly.

I am just getting disillusioned and tired of all of them. Really cannot stand donald. Was not thrilled with the top three contenders on the other side. Most of congress sucks yet the idiots keep getting voted back in.

I didn't like how the primaries are done with delegates picking candidates or stopping primaries.

I want younger blood and just wish that people would stop with stupid rhetoric and vote for a decent person or decent position, not just a party.

Take Alabama for instance. Doug Jones is actually a decent man and pretty moderate, yet he will probably be voted out just because of a D next to his name. Hell donald is already calling him a 'socialist' Dem that will ruin the country.

Makes me think that the electorate is full of imbeciles that can only think as deep as a bumper sticker slogan.

Sorry. Didn't mean to stray to off topic. That was my rant for the day.   Haha

On topic, I just think it is kind of comical the feigned outrage from some about Biden calling someone a name when another one does it all the time. Biden has always had these little gaffs, has even been caught on mic before using cusswords. I guess I am just not surprised as it just seems par for the course for him.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.35  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5.1.34    2 months ago

I agree in general.

This is quintessential Biden and I too am not surprised.   My comment is that with ~three years of potential planning to put forth a candidate who will displace Trump, we get Joe Biden.   I have a hard time accepting the notion that this is really our (USA electorate's) top individual to counter Trump.   And of course, Biden is clearly not the best choice.   So, and this is the question,  why is he the nominee (to be)?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.1.36  XDm9mm  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.27    2 months ago
John, secretly we are all going to vote for Trump. 

Some of us aren't too secret about it!!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.37  CB   replied to  TᵢG @5.1.22    2 months ago

Biden will do fine, Tig. He comes up through the community and political ranks, plus he has White House and international experience. He is a friend to all people who can accept him as a man-as a leader. I did not know he was something of a cusser, but will keep an eye on it going forward. However, when it comes to the pool of contestants for president-he is what "pops" out of the bin. Do vote for him if he tops your list!

 
 
 
CB
5.1.38  CB   replied to  Ender @5.1.23    2 months ago

You're absolutely right. I just watched "The Five" (Fox News channel - Youtube) about it.  Of course, they only wanted to "bust caps" of humor about 'fuddy-duddy, Biden' while they can find absolutely nothing remotely funny about Donald Trump to fill five minutes of the show. Juan Williams made an argument for Biden. He clocks after the other have their "jokes." Here just it out for yourselves:

The Five' reacts to Biden swearing at Detroit voter during gun control fight

NOTE: Do take stock of the BS coming from NT conservatives who say they (and they along) are so-called, "free-thinkers" when you can distinctly make a case for word and emotion parroting emanating off Fox News into the mouths and spirits of its viewers.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.39  CB   replied to  TᵢG @5.1.27    2 months ago

No, we all most definitely are not! (Chuckles.)

 
 
 
CB
5.1.40  CB   replied to  Ender @5.1.34    2 months ago
Makes me think that the electorate is full of [it] that can only think as deep as a bumper sticker slogan

I'd second that! It is so frustrating to be in the world's leading country and still have these political and life paradoxes!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.41  Raven Wing  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.32    2 months ago
I have private conversations with myself all the time around here.

HA! A kindred soul! I do that all the time. And I often get on my nerves when I don't like the answers I give myself, or when I stray off topic and forget what the original topic was about. jrSmiley_78_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_87_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.42  Raven Wing  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.29    2 months ago
We need Election Finance Reform in my uneducated opinion.

Indeed it is badly needed. And get rid of the EC.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1.43  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @5.1.23    2 months ago

Well said, Ender. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.44  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.42    2 months ago

We don't need to Amend the Constitution. Just revisit the 'Permanent Apportionment Act'. Here's an interesting article about it. 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/17/1788930/-Fair-Redistricting-and-Revisiting-The-Permanent-Apportionment-Act-of-1929

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.1.45  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1.20    2 months ago
First of all, most people who don't own guns don't know the difference.

Then they should educate themselves.  We all know that won't happen, that would require that they do something.  

Second, he used the word "machine gun", which is just vernacular, since I think Capone was the last to use it. We all know he meant semi or automatic weapons. And he lost his temper, that isn't talking down to voters. 

I'm 47 years old.  Even as a kid, when I referred to a "machine gun" it was an actual machine gun.  I knew the difference.  And now with the internet it's even easier to find out what a machine gun is.  I'm pretty sure this isn't the first time Jackhole Joe make this "mistake".  And yes, he was talking down to voters and that little encounter more than likely resulted in those voter NOT voting for him.

Look, Biden is not issue free, but neither is Trump, and I think that is the point that Tig is trying to make.

The article is about Biden, not Trump.  But when Biden or any of the other morons from the Democrats are called out there are many here on NT that "circle the wagons" to protect their guy and all hell brakes loose. 

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.46  Ender  replied to  CB @5.1.38    2 months ago

Typical. That gutfield or what ever his name is gets on my nerves. Can't stand him and his arrogance. He actually had the nerve to say donald doesn't attack single people only groups. I have to wonder if he is delusional or has never looked at donald's twitter.

The sad thing is, people probably believe him.

 
 
 
Ender
5.1.47  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.35    2 months ago
why is he the nominee

I find myself wondering why or how most of them get or are on capitol hill.

I was watching one day where the party delegates were going to pick their nom. I have to say it seemed like one of the dumbest things I have seen. All standing around then gathering in certain groups or camps with people walking around trying to get them to go to another camp, then counting the numbers in the camps...

The primary here was a low turn out, even though we have an open primary.

I think a big problem is a lot of the people that actually vote are not necessarily the ones one would want to vote and the ones one would want to vote do not.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.1.48  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @5.1.47    2 months ago
I find myself wondering why or how most of them get or are on capitol hill.

I hear you.   Voter apathy and ignorance is likely a big part of it.   We keep sending these bozos back due to name recognition.   

 
 
 
CB
5.1.49  CB   replied to  Ender @5.1.46    2 months ago

People do believe him. It is the nature of humor to be biting, edgy, and with a kernel of truth. Definitely not delusional. Paid to do a job, Fox News style. Gotta love it that Juan Williams (been around 'fox-hole' forever) was there to offer some balance.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.50  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.1.15    2 months ago
The actual issue is this blithering idiot that is in the running to be POTUS doesnt know the difference between a "machine gun" and an AR 15 talking down to voters.

I am pretty sure you are mistaken, because when Biden is asking about the "machine gun" he is simply asking is there a government allowance for the weapon; not any way form are fashion, talking about the two devices being the same type.  (Smile.)

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.1.51  dennis smith  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.16    2 months ago

"The guy is no doubt stressed and tired and after a while the crap of a campaign will wear on anyone."

Biden signed up to run for the Dem nomination. If he is stressed and tired now, that will be multiplied many times by a presidential campaign.

Does not bode well for the Dems if they chose him as the best they have.

 
 
 
CB
5.1.52  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.1.51    2 months ago

Dennis, don't worry. Calm yourself and hope Trump masters coronavirus for the good of his nation!

 
 
 
Ronin2
5.1.53  Ronin2  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.27    2 months ago

What no Borg clip?

You can't use "Resistance is futile" and not use the Borg!

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.1.54  dennis smith  replied to  CB @5.1.52    2 months ago

I am very calm, thank you. The Dems have handed the WH to Trump for another 4 years. 

 
 
 
CB
5.1.55  CB   replied to  dennis smith @5.1.54    2 months ago

Lookit. You should be calm by now. It's been four days already! (How many 'take a walks' can one do in that many days?) Now about it: Can you say Trump lied again when he called the coronavirus a democratic 'hoax.' How many people are going to be sick and grave-yard dead republicans, conservatives, and fundamentalists when (if) this hoax (virus) is finally contained?

 
 
 
CB
5.1.56  CB   replied to  CB @5.1.50    2 months ago

It is akin to someone having a discussion about first amendment free speech right and privilege not granting anybody a condition to yell, Fire!' in a crowded theater,  and a second amendment right and privilege to own a gun not granting anybody a condition to own a machine gun. This is what Mr. Biden redirected the discussion.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.2  Sparty On  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    3 months ago

Right and they call Trump arrogant.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Sparty On @5.2    3 months ago

There is a difference between arrogance and ignorance.  

Trump is arrogant.

Biden is ignorant.   Which is far more dangerous.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.1    3 months ago

Biden is neither ignorant nor arrogant.

tRump is all that and SO MUCH MORE

 
 
 
MUVA
5.2.3  MUVA  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    3 months ago

No Biden  is a total fucking idiot and isn’t capable of being arrogant he isn’t self aware for that.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.2    3 months ago
Biden is neither ignorant nor arrogant.

The man called an AR a "machine gun".  He's fucking ignorant.  No question about that.  I can't believe you would even try to defend that.  [Deleted]

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.1    3 months ago
There is a difference between arrogance and ignorance.  

Trump is arrogant.

Biden is ignorant.   Which is far more dangerous.

Wait a minute, are you seriously trying to claim that Trump is not ignorant?

I've seen it all now. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.4    3 months ago

Any fully automatic AR, or AR that is full auto capable, is, in fact, a machine gun and an assault weapon.

A very, very high percentage of the AR's are not fully automatic and therefore not machine guns

or assault weapons technically

but the parents and families of mass shooting victims involved with such rifles

really don't give a darn about the nuances and semantics.

Dead is dead.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2.5    2 months ago

We're all ignorant in one form or another.  I never claimed otherwise.  

In this instance your hero is the one showing his ignorance.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.6    2 months ago

"Any fully automatic AR, or AR that is full auto capable, is, in fact, a machine gun and an assault weapon."

And these are ILLEGAL.  

"A very, very high percentage of the AR's are not fully automatic and therefore not machine guns

or assault weapons technically

but the parents and families of mass shooting victims involved with such rifles

really don't give a darn about the nuances and semantics.

Dead is dead."

Semi-automatic weapons are LEGAL.  Whether it's a 9MM or an AR-15 they are legal.  It's the APPEARANCE that people are pushing to scare people into submission that these are "bad".

The reality is, the firearm itself is NOT the problem.  It's the individual holding it that is the problem.  Bit nobody wants to address that issue.  It might involve somebody actually having to do something.  God f@cking forbid somebody have to do something aside from flap their lips.  

ANYTHING can be used as a weapon.  It's a matter of what the intent and ability of the person holding the object.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.2.9  r.t..b...  replied to  Split Personality @5.2.6    2 months ago
the parents and families of mass shooting victims involved with such rifles really don't give a darn about the nuances and semantics.

Great point, SP. Such a tired deflection...if I had a family member killed by a lunatic behind the wheel, I could give a fuck about what he was driving...more interested in why he had access to the instrument in the first place. Not advocating driving restrictions for the majority of the populace...just restricting the access to those that have no business behind the wheel...not too hard to make the correlation. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  r.t..b... @5.2.9    2 months ago

We watch Live PD several times a week and not a week goes by where they haven't pulled over someone

who has no license due to suspensions and the fuckers just keep driving

and driving badly enough to be repeatedly pulled over.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.8    2 months ago
It might involve somebody actually having to do something. 

You mean doing something like universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods, red flag laws, age limits, mandatory firearms training and limits on magazine size? 

TONS of people are trying to do those things, where have you been?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2.11    2 months ago
You mean doing something like universal background checks, mandatory waiting periods, red flag laws, age limits, mandatory firearms training and limits on magazine size? 
TONS of people are trying to do those things, where have you been?

That's all good if you want to restrict the law abiding citizen.  What are you going to do about the real problem?  The asshole who obtains a firearm illegally and starts shooting?  Happens every day in in this country.  NOBODY has addressed that issue. 

How about the person who obtains his firearm legally?  Passess all the checks, waiting periods, red flag laws, age limits, training and has the proper magazines that has a breakdown?  It's happened.  NOBODY has addressed that issue.  

Where have YOU been?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.13  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.12    2 months ago
NOBODY has addressed that issue.  

Red flag laws DO address that issue. 

BTW, as for 'law abiding citizens', there are all too many states what have little to no laws to abide. This allows people that would not be able to buy or even own a firearm in one state to buy a firearm in another. NO background check, no anything. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2.13    2 months ago
Red flag laws DO address that issue. 

Ok.  Lets ASSUME they do address the issue.  With that assumption it shows they are UNEFFECTIVE.  Being that they ONLY restrict what the law abiding citizen has access to.  NOT the criminal aspect of it.  

It's funny that all these laws are in place and yet NOBODY offers any solution for taking the illegal firearms off the street.  

BTW, as for 'law abiding citizens', there are all too many states what have little to no laws to abide. This allows people that would not be able to buy or even own a firearm in one state to buy a firearm in another. NO background check, no anything. 

A background check isn't going to stop somebody from obtaining a firearm illegally.  No amount of legislation will stop that.  All it does is makes it harder for those obtaining a firearm legally.  The idea of "common sense gun law" is nothing more than a catch phrase to pacify people.  It doesn't do a goddamn thing.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.15  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.2.13    2 months ago
NO background check, no anything. 

Really?   Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

If you buy a firearm from ANY dealer anywhere in the country, and that includes pawnshops by the way, you are required to complete the BATFE Form 4473.  And that is run through the FBI NICS database.

However, regardless of state.  No one buying a gun illegally off the street is going to be bothered by little things like laws to begin with.   You DO understand that criminals are called CRIMINALS for a reason don't you?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.14    2 months ago
With that assumption it shows they are UNEFFECTIVE. 

Since most red flags are new we'll have to wait to see whether they are as INEFFECTIVE as you claim. 

BTW, the vast majority of mass killings are perpetrated by people [men] who were 'law abiding citizens' before they started killing people. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.17  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.15    2 months ago
Really?   Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Yes, really XD. Pretending to be ignorant of the FACT that hundreds [maybe thousands]  of firearms are sold at gun shows every fucking weekend is no excuse. I've been to gun shows here in Indiana and most sellers don't even ask for an ID much less doing a background check or giving a shit whether they are selling to CRIMINALS or not. Just STOP. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.18  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2.16    2 months ago
BTW, the vast majority of mass killings are perpetrated by people [men] who were 'law abiding citizens' before they started killing people. 

That should be an indication legislation won't work.  What will work is people paying attention to what is going on around them.  But that would mean they would have to put down their phone and actually interact with their environment and people.  God forbid that happen. 

It's much easier to blame the weapon used instead of the person wielding it.  Hence much of the useless laws we have.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.19  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.18    2 months ago
That should be an indication legislation won't work. 

How does it indicate that? 

BTW, many of the people [men] who perpetrate mass killings were also known to have mental health issues and red flag laws could be used to disarm them and or deny them access to firearms. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2.20  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5.2.17    2 months ago
Yes, really XD. Pretending to be ignorant of the FACT that hundreds [maybe thousands]  of firearms are sold at gun shows every fucking weekend is no excuse.

So, you're claiming that there are hundreds or thousands of firearms sold at gun show with no background checks done?  Seriously?   I'll posit the vast majority of sales at gun shows are accomplished through licensed dealers.  Every dealer will do the required background check as not doing so is illegal and the dealer does not want to jeopardize his/her FFL.  And they all know that there are numerous local/state and federal law enforcement mulling around to catch just those types of people.

I've been to gun shows here in Indiana and most sellers don't even ask for an ID much less doing a background check or giving a shit whether they are selling to CRIMINALS or not. Just STOP. 

I don't care what you CLAIM.  Dealers are not that fucking stupid.  They will not jeopardize their livelihood for shitheads to illegally buy a gun.  So please as you said:  "Just STOP" 

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.21  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.20    2 months ago

Some of these folks have heard the term "gun show loophole" so often that they believe it. Of course it is ridiculous. Sure--a major company running gun shows only wants unlicensed "dealers" there to sell two guns or so--instead of a licensed dealer with perhaps dozens of weapons and access to many more. I am sure those "dealers" that are unlicensed are paying big bucks to be there!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.2.22  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Dulay @5.2.19    2 months ago
How does it indicate that?

I guess it's crayon time.  In your statement you stated that " the vast majority of mass killings are perpetrated by people [men] who were 'law abiding citizens' before they started killing people."  

The fact that it is law abiding citizens who have a significant emotional event and snap and commit these shooting reflects that the person HAS met all the requirements to legally obtain a weapon but still shot somebody.  Hence, the legislation is a FAILURE.

You can pass all the laws you want.  Until people pull their heads from their 4th point of contact and start paying attention to what is going on around them and get to know others, the problem will persist.  The only way this can be slowed or stopped is for people to know their environment to a point they can see somebody having problems and intervening.  .  

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.23  Dulay  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.2.22    2 months ago
The fact that it is law abiding citizens who have a significant emotional event and snap and commit these shooting reflects that the person HAS met all the requirements to legally obtain a weapon but still shot somebody.  Hence, the legislation is a FAILURE.

You erroneously assuming that the mass killing was the FIRST time that they showed emotional instability or the first time that they came in contact with LEOs. For most of them it isn't. The FBI IG just released a report that acknowledged that they let all too many people slip through the cracks who later threatened or actually committed violence on others. One of them was the asshole who murdered all of those people at Pulse in Orlando. 

THAT isn't a failure in the legislation, THAT is a failure in our law enforcement agencies. Giving them MORE tools to deny or take away firearms from those people can only be a good thing. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.24  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2.20    2 months ago
Seriously?

Yes, seriously. Here in NWI, there are half dozen gun shows just about every weekend. People meet in the parking lots and sell right out of their trunks. Sellers walk around carrying guns with price tags, cash changes hands, DONE. It goes on all day. My buddies in Terra Haute and Lafayette tell me that it's much the same there. The guy that owns my local gun shop goes almost every weekend and his son gets a table and sells to ANYONE. He's still looking for a nice 20/22 over under for me. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.25  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.21    2 months ago
I am sure those "dealers" that are unlicensed are paying big bucks to be there!

You are wrong. $45 for a 8 foot table isn't big bucks Tex. 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
5.2.26  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @5.2.17    2 months ago
Pretending to be ignorant of the FACT that hundreds [maybe thousands]  of firearms are sold at gun shows

How many mass shootings have taken place from a gun purchased at a gun show, where the purchaser wouldn't have passed a back ground check.  

 
 
 
gooseisgone
5.2.27  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @5.2.24    2 months ago
Sellers walk around carrying guns with price tags, cash changes hands, DONE.

If someone sells to a known prohibited possessor he has committed a crime. 

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3  JumpDrive  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5    2 months ago
An AR is NOT a machine gun. 

An AR is NOT an "assault rifle/weapon"

When are these idiots going to understand this?

First of all, the language changes to accommodate actual usage. This is why ‘literally’ can now be used in place of ‘figuratively’. The Merriam Webster definition of an assault rifle includes:

a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

and the Dictionary.com definition includes:

a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

You can stop fussing about the your definition because common usage has passed you by.

Secondly, in the situations where this weapon is [mis]used, like school shootings, its form permits maximum carnage. A fully automatic version would dump the mag in about 2 seconds, even using select fire would be a waste. The average user of an assault rifle can dump a mag in 20 seconds, this includes the time to swap in a new mag. So that’s 30 rounds with time to aim between discharges. Its short rifle form allows two-handed operation that maximizes accuracy which maximizes kills. With the average user able to fire two rounds per second, it is, for all practical purposes, a machine gun. Fully automatic mode and devices like bump stocks are just ways to waste ammo.

The high speed of the bullet results in a lead cloud after impact which liquifies people’s organs. There is generally nothing for surgeons to repair, this is a gun designed to kill the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time. These attributes are what also makes it a lot of fun to shoot. I own one. I, and my friends, realize that it is not reasonable for us to have access to these weapons. We don’t need them, they are toys that I would readily give up to save our kids.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.3.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3    2 months ago
A fully automatic version would dump the mag in about 2 seconds,

You don't know much about automatic weapons do you?

The average user of an assault rifle can dump a mag in 20 seconds, this includes the time to swap in a new mag.

This indicates a trained shooter.  Many 18B's can't do that.

So that’s 30 rounds with time to aim between discharges. Its short rifle form allows two-handed operation that maximizes accuracy which maximizes kills. With the average user able to fire two rounds per second, it is, for all practical purposes, a machine gun.

Again, you lack of knowledge of how weapons operate is showing.  According to this statement a 9MM Baretta is a "machine gun" and an "assault weapon".  But yet, I don't hear the same outrage for all semi-automatic weapons.

As far as your "2 round per second" theory, that is very easy to do with any semi-automatic weapon.  If the person firing the weapon is even remotely trained in marksmanship, it can be done and done accurately. 

 
 
 
MUVA
5.3.2  MUVA  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3    2 months ago

Please turn yours in I’ll keep mine.

 
 
 
MUVA
5.3.3  MUVA  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.1    2 months ago

I can do it with my 10/22 my friend said that doesn’t have stopping power I told him if I shoot you 10 time in a 5 seconds you will stop.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3.4  JumpDrive  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.1    2 months ago
A fully automatic version would dump the mag in about 2 seconds, You don't know much about automatic weapons do you?

Depending on model, rate is 600-800/minute, so 2-3 secs.

The average user of an assault rifle can dump a mag in 20 seconds, this includes the time to swap in a new mag. This indicates a trained shooter.  Many 18B's can't do that.

The instances where these are misused, targets are 10-20' away and close together. Try firing at 1 second intervals at that distance. A second is a long, long time. In the Tueller Drills, police found that an attacker 21' away could get to a cop in 1.5 seconds. I can't see any problem for a user with experience hitting a person sized target at those distances.

Again, you lack of knowledge of how weapons operate is showing.  According to this statement a 9MM Baretta is a "machine gun" and an "assault weapon".  But yet, I don't hear the same outrage for all semi-automatic weapons.

I never said that a civilian AR was a machine gun, only that for all practical purposes it was as deadly. "Assault Rifle" has a defintion that a HANDgun does not meet. A Berreta M9 doesn't give you the leverage to control rapid fire like an AR. It also doesn't have the mag capacity. (Also, knowing how to spell Berretta might have helped your case.)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.3.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3.4    2 months ago
Depending on model, rate is 600-800/minute, so 2-3 secs.

Any weapon with the capacity to do that is called a MACHINE GUN.  An M4 has the cyclic rate of 700 RPM.  Because the weapon is magazine fed, the only way it could reach that would be to alter it significantly making it ILLEGAL.

The instances where these are misused, targets are 10-20' away and close together.

Instances of this happening are extremely exaggerated.  That many round from a "can of ammo" in that short of time (to include magazine changes) just won't happen even if you were firing what the US Army would consider an Automatic weapon, which is illegal to own without special permits.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.6  XDm9mm  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3.4    2 months ago
A Berreta M9 doesn't give you the leverage to control rapid fire like an AR.

Really?   I can run two 19 round mags in under twenty seconds through my XDm9mm.   Oh, did you see that mag capacity?  19 in the mag, one in the chamber means I walk around with twenty on my hip if I want.

Yeah, like others noted, you don't know much about guns in general.  You only spew talking points you're been spoon fed.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3.7  JumpDrive  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @5.3.5    2 months ago
Any weapon with the capacity to do that is called a MACHINE GUN.

If you read what I posted, you'll see that I am talking about rate of fire. You are talking about capacity.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3.8  JumpDrive  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.6    2 months ago
Really?   I can run two 19 round mags in under twenty seconds through my XDm9mm.   Oh, did you see that mag capacity?  19 in the mag, one in the chamber means I walk around with twenty on my hip if I want.

So then my average user of an AR fire rate is whole heartedly seconded by you. But, you should read what I posted. I would guaranty that you are far more accurate with an AR at that rate of fire. And, you would definitely have 50% more capacity.

Yeah, like others noted, you don't know much about guns in general.  You only spew talking points you're been spoon fed.

You should try to refute the arguments rather than attempt to insult me.

I've owned guns for 50+ years. I am writing from my actual experience. What you so obviously need to be true about me simply isn't. I'm an enthusiast who can see that gun abuse can be significantly diminished. I am unafraid of having people examine the problem of gun violence. I care, you should try to do so too.

Because we didn't have ideologues preventing us from making driving safer, we were able to change vehicles (seat belts, radial tires, anti-lock brakes, vehicle stability,...), we were able to change people (drunk driving campaigns, aggressive driving,...), and, we were able to change the environment (better signage, acceleration/deceleration lanes, ...). I believe we now drive 5 times as much as when we started this effort, and we have half the fatalities. We are an ingenious people, we can do the same for gun violence. Stop being so terrified of letting experts research the problem. You'll get to keep your Springfield.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.9  XDm9mm  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3    2 months ago
An AR is NOT a machine gun. 

An AR is NOT an "assault rifle/weapon"

When are these idiots going to understand this?

First of all, the language changes to accommodate actual usage. This is why ‘literally’ can now be used in place of ‘figuratively’. The Merriam Webster definition of an assault rifle includes:

a rifle that resembles a military assault rifle but is designed to allow only semiautomatic fire

and the Dictionary.com definition includes:

a nonmilitary weapon modeled on the military assault rifle, usually modified to allow only semiautomatic fire.

You can stop fussing about the your definition because common usage has passed you by.

Word usage does not note legal definitions.  And here's a hint.  There is no legal definition of the MADE UP TERM "Assault Weapon".  

You claim to be a 50 year expert on guns.  So, note specifically what is the difference between a Springfield M1A wood or polymer stock semi automatic firearm and a Springfield Arch Angel semi automatic firearm, other than APPEARANCE.  Better yet, explain the DIFFERENCE between a civilian model AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and a military M-16 or current M-4.

Secondly, in the situations where this weapon is [mis]used, like school shootings, its form permits maximum carnage. A fully automatic version would dump the mag in about 2 seconds, even using select fire would be a waste. The average user of an assault rifle can dump a mag in 20 seconds, this includes the time to swap in a new mag. So that’s 30 rounds with time to aim between discharges. Its short rifle form allows two-handed operation that maximizes accuracy which maximizes kills. With the average user able to fire two rounds per second, it is, for all practical purposes, a machine gun. Fully automatic mode and devices like bump stocks are just ways to waste ammo.

"With the average user able to fire two rounds per second, it is, for all practical purposes, a machine gun"   According to you.   Practical purposes?   HArdly.

The high speed of the bullet results in a lead cloud after impact which liquifies people’s organs. There is generally nothing for surgeons to repair, this is a gun designed to kill the maximum number of people in the minimum amount of time.

Hyperbole.  I have no idea what a "high speed bullet" is.  Is that one faster than walking speed?   Faster than a train or plane?   Further, if what you claim about how a bullet "liquifies" organs, leaving surgeons nothing to repair, there are many men walking around the nation today without organs as they were shot multiple times in combat.  How can that be?   Are they the personification of the TV series "The Walking Dead"?

These attributes are what also makes it a lot of fun to shoot. I own one. I, and my friends, realize that it is not reasonable for us to have access to these weapons. We don’t need them, they are toys that I would readily give up to save our kids.

Then SURRENDER YOURS.  Just don't ask me to surrender mine.  

PS:  ANYONE that calls ANY firearm a TOY is a ___________________!!  (Fill in the blank yourself.  I'd be banned for life if I posted what I think of you and your TOYS!)

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3.10  JumpDrive  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.9    2 months ago
Word usage does not note legal definitions.  And here's a hint.  There is no legal definition of the MADE UP TERM "Assault Weapon".   You claim to be a 50 year expert on guns.  So, note specifically what is the difference between a Springfield M1A wood or polymer stock semi automatic firearm and a Springfield Arch Angel semi automatic firearm, other than APPEARANCE.  Better yet, explain the DIFFERENCE between a civilian model AR-15 semi-automatic rifle and a military M-16 or current M-4.

All irrelevant noise. I have been using the term "assault rifle", which does have a definition. Assault weapon is too general; wouldn't even have to be a gun.

I have no idea what a "high speed bullet" is. 

Typical semi-automatic handguns have a bullet speed around 1100 fps, 5.56 & .223 are around 3200 fps. ER doctors have become extremely good at repairing gunshot wounds, survival rate is much higher now than it was 20 years ago. This is mostly due to the wounds being made by handguns, and the tremendous amount of experience they unfortunately get. Those same doctors will tell that the wound channels made with 3200 fps bullets are much less likely repairable because there's so much damage.

Then SURRENDER YOURS.  Just don't ask me to surrender mine. 

Ignorance. Surrendering mine would be a meaningless gesture. Like the call by conservatives to have billionaires who think they should pay more taxes donate extra money. I showed in another thread how this behavior is simply stupid.

PS:  ANYONE that calls ANY firearm a TOY is a ___________________!!  (Fill in the blank yourself.  I'd be banned for life if I posted what I think of you and your TOYS!)

Guns are an atavism. Gun ownership peaked in the 70s at about 47% of households. It declined to 31% by 2014. People own them because they like to hunt, or target shoot. I have never used a gun defensively, I don't know anyone other that police friends or vets who has. My sports car is a toy, my second home is a toy. I don't need either of these things, but I enjoy having them. The guns are no different. From your reaction, I would say that guns are intrinsic to your manhood. Perhaps I should have realized that since you screen name is a gun. For me, they're just something I own. When I call a gun a toy, you react as if I am calling you a child. I'm not. They are not necessary in modernity, in fact, every other western industrialized nation restricts them tremendously and their people are far safer because of that.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.11  XDm9mm  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3.10    2 months ago
All irrelevant noise. I have been using the term "assault rifle", which does have a definition

Only to those unwilling to make the comparison.

Driving a Volkswagon modified with one of the kit car packages available years ago to look like a Cobra429, did not make the Volkswagon a Cobra.  It was still a Volkswagon with a cool looking body.

In other words it was APPEARANCES only.  NOT//NOT functionality.

Those same doctors will tell that the wound channels made with 3200 fps bullets are much less likely repairable because there's so much damage.

Then tell that to all the men I previously worked with that have the scars to prove otherwise.

Ignorance. Surrendering mine would be a meaningless gesture.

Tough shit.  Put up or shut up.  In other words put YOUR money where your mouth is.  YOU don't talk for me.

Like the call by conservatives to have billionaires who think they should pay more taxes donate extra money. I showed in another thread how this behavior is simply stupid.

As is taking my or other law biding citizens guns.   Tell me, EXACTLY how what you wet your pants hoping for will stop a lowlife scumbag thug criminal from being a lowlife scumbag thug criminal just because YOU think something should not be available to law biding citizens.  Show me ONE criminal that obeys the law.  One will suffice.

Guns are an atavism. Gun ownership peaked in the 70s at about 47% of households. It declined to 31% by 2014. People own them because they like to hunt, or target shoot.

Is there a point to be made?   There are still roughly 100 million of us that own guns in this country.

I have never used a gun defensively, I don't know anyone other that police friends or vets who has.

Good for you.  I've used mine defensively CONUS twice.  Once in defense of another and once in defense of myself.

My sports car is a toy, my second home is a toy. I don't need either of these things, but I enjoy having them. The guns are no different.

Please divest yourself of all of your TOYS.  Adults have a better appreciation of what guns are.  And they are NOT TOYS.

From your reaction, I would say that guns are intrinsic to your manhood. Perhaps I should have realized that since you screen name is a gun.

I use that as my screen name simply because others I had wanted to use were already 'owned'.   And don't think it relates to my "manhood".  What is it with the gun haters and their phallic fascination with guns?

For me, they're just something I own. When I call a gun a toy, you react as if I am calling you a child. I'm not.

Great.  I'm calling you the child.  Adults know better.

They are not necessary in modernity, in fact, every other western industrialized nation restricts them tremendously and their people are far safer because of that.

Don't you dare tell me what is or is not necessary.  You have no idea of my situation nor circumstances.  And I don't give a shit about any other industrialized nation.  I live here in The United States of America.  If you appreciate the conditions of other nations more, there is a simple solution.  Move.  Let me know when and where and I'll help you pack out.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
5.3.12  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3.7    2 months ago

In order to reach the rate of fire, you would have to keep the capacity in mind.  

 
 
 
JumpDrive
5.3.14  JumpDrive  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.11    2 months ago
Driving a Volkswagon modified with one of the kit car packages available years ago to look like a Cobra429, did not make the Volkswagon a Cobra.

There are cheap versions of the AR, so yes, they won't be the same level of quality as a military version. That problem is solved with money. For mine, I couldn't find any difference other than the lack of an auto sear and its support in the receiver. It seems to have perfect reliability, and the piston operation keep the bolt area so clean.

Then tell that to all the men I previously worked with that have the scars to prove otherwise

The fact that they were reparable does not falsify my statement. The ER doctors are saying repair is lot less likely with 5.56/.223.

Tough shit.  Put up or shut up.  In other words put YOUR money where your mouth is.

I 'put up' by voting for people who propose banning AR style weapons, who propose limiting mag capacities to 10-15, and who propose putting in place tough gun acquisition laws like NJ's or Ca's across the country. You'll have to excuse me if I don't do something meaningless to please you.

Adults have a better appreciation of what guns are.  And they are NOT TOYS.

Perhaps because I live in a state that does not permit carry, and have never known anyone to use one for defense I see guns as just for sport. I do see them as necessary tools for LEOs. I just don't see the majority of owners needing them.

But my real problem with your nonsense is that when Newtown happened, we did nothing and I realized there is simply no level of horror that we will not tolerate to maintain the current level of access to guns. It’s great that you protected two people. It’s not so great that 10s of thousands are cannot be so protected every year. We ‘adults’ are failing our kids and they know it.

Here in NJ, 80% of weapons recovered at crime scenes are traced to out-of-state sources. In neighboring Pa, virtually all guns recovered come from in state. Obviously, we can do something to prevent a huge percentage of guns from getting into the hands of criminals.

I pointed out that we have machines and they cause problems. The auto is one of these. We decided that the fatality rate was to high, so we said what can we do about the machine, what can we do about the people who use these machines, what can we do about the environment in which these machines are used. We took action in all three areas and dropped the fatality rate an order of magnitude.

I suggested the same path for another machine, the gun. Your response is to become enraged and name call. The gun is not simply another tool to you. You behave the way Middle-eastern Muslims behave when someone speaks ill of the Prophet. It is irrational, and worse than useless because it prohibits us from acting as we did with cars. Americans are ingenious, ingenuity is a major export. Stopping throwing a tantrum like a child, and let the adults solve the problem.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.15  XDm9mm  replied to  JumpDrive @5.3.14    2 months ago
I pointed out that we have machines and they cause problems. The auto is one of these. We decided that the fatality rate was to high, so we said what can we do about the machine, what can we do about the people who use these machines, what can we do about the environment in which these machines are used. We took action in all three areas and dropped the fatality rate an order of magnitude.
I suggested the same path for another machine, the gun. Your response is to become enraged and name call. The gun is not simply another tool to you. You behave the way Middle-eastern Muslims behave when someone speaks ill of the Prophet. It is irrational, and worse than useless because it prohibits us from acting as we did with cars. Americans are ingenious, ingenuity is a major export. Stopping throwing a tantrum like a child, and let the adults solve the problem.

You used all the talking points of the rabid gun haters, even going so far as many are taught to be "gun owners" themselves.

First, cars and driving are a privilege granted, denied or revoked at the whims of the state.   Firearms are in a totally different category as they are a Constitutionally protected RIGHT.

I'm name calling?  Seriously?  You play the penis game and you have the audacity to try to deflect that as me?

I believe you're a gun owner as much as I'm a Roman Catholic Islamic Rabbi.  So you're now allowed to return to the Bloomberg talking points memos to learn the next barrage you'll use.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.3.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.15    2 months ago
Don't you dare tell me what is or is not necessary.  You have no idea of my situation nor circumstances.

320

 
 
 
CB
5.3.17  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.16    2 months ago

In that case you can argue that you have freedom of speech to exercise a right to yell, "Fire," in a crowded theater. And, carry a loaded gun into the Supreme Court of the United States. (You can do neither.)

Making a comparison to black people emotionally oppressed and stigmatized in society, to your ability to own and carry any gun a gun company can manufacture is an invalid category mistake.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.3.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  CB @5.3.17    2 months ago
In that case you can argue that you have freedom of speech to exercise a right to yell, "Fire," in a crowded theater.

Nope. laws against that..................

And, carry a loaded gun into the Supreme Court of the United States. (You can do neither.)

Law against that (and besides, the fact that there isn't broad brush open carry)

Making a comparison to black people emotionally oppressed and stigmatized in society, to your ability to own and carry any gun a gun company can manufacture is an invalid category mistake.

Rights are rights pal. It was a comparison of RIGHTS. Criminal activity is criminal activity. Go ahead and do what you "proposed" and be sure to ask for internet rights so that you can keep all of us members here updated on your status in prison.

Epic fail................................................I know. But FEELINGS.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.19  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.3.18    2 months ago
It was a comparison of RIGHTS.

Yeah, do tell Rosa Parks about her rights, plural, after she was arrested, removed from her "right" seat in the front of the bus, and jailed over a White man's right to protest and get a lawful resolution to the space she occupied! Oh,. . .that all.

"Rights are rights, pal." Except when they are one-way for selective people and groups,  are abused by authority figures, and are outright ignored or omitted by the same. 

Rosa Parks existed and operated under a different set of oppressive laws denying her rights white men gave themselves lavishly at the time. There is no comparison to a white man wielding guns at will in the present and Rosa Parks.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.20  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.17    2 months ago
In that case you can argue that you have freedom of speech to exercise a right to yell, "Fire," in a crowded theater.

Contrary to popular belief, you most certainly CAN yell fire in a crowded theater.  There is NO LAW RESTRICTING that RIGHT.  However, if there is no fire, you most likely will be charged other crimes, but not one will be yelling fire.

And, carry a loaded gun into the Supreme Court of the United States. (You can do neither.)

Disproved your first erroneous belief, and there ARE places where carrying a gun are restricted.  And those of us who carry accept those unique restrictions on our rights.

NEXT.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.21  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.20    2 months ago

Next is right. I have no idea why you bothered writing this.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.22  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.21    2 months ago
I have no idea why you bothered writing this.

Damn, even when your own error is pointed out, you still don't have any idea?  Why does that not surprise me.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.23  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.22    2 months ago

Still no idea why you are bothering to write me about this. Your comment is detached from our share history.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.24  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.3.23    2 months ago

XD’s comments are not the detached thing in this conversation.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.25  CB   replied to  Sparty On @5.3.24    2 months ago

Prove it.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.26  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.3.25    2 months ago

It gets proven here nearly every day and it cra-cra

 
 
 
CB
5.3.27  CB   replied to  Sparty On @5.3.26    2 months ago

That comment is an opinion - not proof.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.28  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.3.27    2 months ago

The proof is on display here regularly.    Any thinking person, with a modicum reading comprehension can find it if they happen to be; interested in truth, unbiased and not delusional.

 
 
 
TᵢG
5.3.29  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Sparty On @5.3.28    2 months ago
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Is this a good point for you and CB to gracefully end the meta?

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.30  Sparty On  replied to  TᵢG @5.3.29    2 months ago

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[This is his article so he gets to say when people have gone off topic.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.31  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.25    2 months ago
Prove it.

I'll have YOU prove there actually is a written law, anywhere in the United States, that indicates it is illegal to yell fire in a crowded theater.

The ANALOGY "You can't yell fire in a crowded theater" comes from a court case which simply noted that free speech is not absolute.  But there is NO law anywhere specifically making that illegal.  Anyone doing so, without a fire being present can be charged with other criminal acts like creating a panic and such.

So, take your "shared history" and shove it.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
5.3.32  Freedom Warrior  replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.20    2 months ago

If somebody yelled fire in the crowded room and there was no fire and there was no panic, the obvious conclusion is of course you can yell fire in a crowded room without any consequence. That certainly would be this case. Nevertheless I understand the source of the comment,  but it’s been rendered to be circumstantially utter bullshit and as such just another simple minded application of the same.

In any event news talkers in my experience represents a woefully inadequate forum for any discussion regarding the application of the principles of free speech.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.33  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.31    2 months ago
Free speech is not absolute.

You're being inappropriate.  That's all. If you want to argue for the sake of argument go ahead. Enjoy this news clip of a theater 'firing.' You can't fire in a theater either:

"Yelling fire in crowed theater may create a stampede; opening fire cause utter pandemonium." - News reporter.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.34  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.33    2 months ago
You're being inappropriate.  That's all. If you want to argue for the sake of argument go ahead.

So, you can't show ONE law anywhere supporting YOUR claim.  Typical and usual response.

Then of course, you use the usual fallback position of...  drum roll please.   Race.

If it wasn't so predictable, it would be funny.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
5.3.35  r.t..b...  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.3.32    2 months ago
In any event news talkers in my experience represents a woefully inadequate forum for any discussion regarding the application of the principles of free speech.

Odd then, that you just put an anonymous poster on 'permanent ignore' just minutes ago on another thread. Rather disingenuous to complain about what can be said and summarily ignore what you don't want to hear.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.36  Sparty On  replied to  Freedom Warrior @5.3.32    2 months ago
In any event news talkers in my experience represents a woefully inadequate forum for any discussion regarding the application of the principles of free speech.

Be that as it may, it’s much much better than some of the goat rodeo’s that came before it.    

Still, you’ll always get the haters gaming any given format in an effort to spread their hateful venom to the world around them.    They tend to thrive in a setting attempting to allow “free speech.”

Its pretty easy to spot and it’s up to each individual to judge it accordingly. 

Legit Cave

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.37  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.33    2 months ago
Enjoy this news clip of a theater 'firing.' You can't fire in a theater either:

Here's a hint, there are actual LAWS against that.

Come back when you can make a valid cogent argument.

 
 
 
CB
5.3.38  CB   replied to  XDm9mm @5.3.34    2 months ago

Don't be strident.  I have indulged this version of being off-topic enough. I'm out.  You can make an article or seed; invite me, I will come.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.3.39  Sparty On  replied to  CB @5.3.38    2 months ago

Then perhaps you shouldn’t have started it but no worries.    [deleted. SOSDD]

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.3.40  XDm9mm  replied to  CB @5.3.38    2 months ago
Don't be strident. 

In other words, "Don't be correct, as I'm unable to respond with facts."

I'm out.

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Sunshine
6  Sunshine    3 months ago

Like watching a train wreck in slow motion.

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @6    2 months ago

Yes, I watched Trump's address too. Thankfully, it was short. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @6.1    2 months ago
Yes, I watched Trump's address too. 

The reference was in regards to Biden--you probably have heard of him by now, and HE is the topic!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 months ago

I'm sorry Tig but I am going to have to disagree with you. He was accosted by a pile of guys pressing him for an answer. In the old days, none of this would have been captured on tape and this would have been a non-event. So, he said a word we all say, and I don't even curse. 

This is who he is. Shoot from the lip Biden. Anyone who is shocked ( or feign shock), really shouldn't. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    3 months ago

And I have to wonder how much those guys were paid to accost Biden and spew lies to try and take him down. Nothing about Trump and/or the GOP would surprise me at this point.

What the man to spoke to Biden said that Biden said something that Biden never said and tried to make it true. Biden had the right to defend himself and did so in a language as befitting the situation, and what the a$$-hats could easily understand.

Indeed there is a time and place for everything, and IMHO, this was a time and place where Biden had a right to stand his ground and make his defense could and clear. If the person he spoke to was offended, then he should not have accused Biden of saying something he didn't say. Since he deliberately provoked Biden with his lie, he obviously was not shocked at Biden's response. 

And the man then saying Biden went off the deep end was meant to demean Biden once again. He deserves no apology.

 
 
 
Ender
7.1.1  Ender  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1    3 months ago

And then the guy went immediately on fox news.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @7.1.1    3 months ago

Again, likely as he was paid to do. No? Why else would the guy only go to Fox News then? The main channel that supports Trump and his lies, and glorifies those of his loyal supporters. 

IMHO, if it had been any other channel it would not be so obvious. However, those in Trump's camp are not known for their wealth of intelligence.

 
 
 
bccrane
7.1.3  bccrane  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1.2    3 months ago
Why else would the guy only go to Fox News then?

Maybe Fox News was the only news outlet to seek him out, think about that.  This was news, so where were the others?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  bccrane @7.1.3    3 months ago
This was news, so where were the others?

MSNBC edited the clip.  And the rest of the lame stream media is covering for the geriatric fool.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
7.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  bccrane @7.1.3    3 months ago
Maybe Fox News was the only news outlet to seek him out, think about that.

You're selling the other news medias short. They are not as stupid as you may like to think. Fox is the one that supports Trump, why would they pay him to seek out other medias that don't support Trump? Think about that.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.6  MUVA  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1.5    3 months ago

No is selling the leftist media short they are just telling the truth the media no longer reports the news they try to shape it in George Orwell  warned this would happen.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.7  MUVA  replied to  Raven Wing @7.1    3 months ago

 
 
 
zuksam
7.1.8  zuksam  replied to  MUVA @7.1.7    3 months ago

There are videos out there showing Biden talking about banning 9mm handguns, he says “Who in God’s name needs to have a 9mm pistol with 10 rounds in it?”. Since the 9mm handgun with 10+1 capacity is by far the most popular handgun for home defense in America how is that not wanting to take our guns?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  MUVA @7.1.7    3 months ago

He clearly says that he wants to ban assault weapons, not all guns. Goodness, do you folks watch these videos?

What is defined as assault weapons needs to be clearer.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
7.1.10  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.9    3 months ago

I’m strongly opposed to that and see it as a gun grabbing attack on our freedom. Most people buy assault weapons for defensive purposes. 

 
 
 
MUVA
7.1.11  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.9    2 months ago

 You think that fucking idiot knows the differance.

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  Dean Moriarty @7.1.10    2 months ago

I'm sure that's true for many people which is fine but it excludes the many who just enjoy shooting one.   And that is a lot more shooters out there than people think.  

My home defense centers around a shotgun with a magazine tube extension.   Folks who choose to be on the wrong end of that are going to have a very bad day.

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  MUVA @7.1.11    2 months ago

Few politicians do.   Of course the ones who were prior military do but that's a minority.  

I might warm up to more stringent (truly common sense) controls on the black rifle (never confiscation though) if i trusted politicians to stop there but i don't.   Not in the least based on their past performance and at this point they have a long way to go to earn that trust.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Dean Moriarty @7.1.10    2 months ago
Most people buy assault weapons for defensive purposes. 

You do see the oxymoron there don't you? jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.15  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.14    2 months ago

Not really since the AR platform is misnamed when called an Assault Weapon.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.15    2 months ago

Semantics. If it is fully automatic ( rare ) it is an assault weapon/machine gun.

The fact that you cannot visually tell the difference unless you can see the selector switch makes it

a technical issue for non gun owners. 

Right or wrong,

all they see is the black rifle and know/fear it could be full auto or converted to full auto.

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.17  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.16    2 months ago

Yeah, its only semantics for the anti gun narrative.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @7.1.17    2 months ago

We can probably thank Hollywood.  Almost every war movie shows men and women using guns that spit thousands of rounds per minute that never overheat or run out of bullets.

That's what people think every AR is.

 
 
 
Sparty On
7.1.19  Sparty On  replied to  Split Personality @7.1.18    2 months ago
That's what people think every AR is.

I agree but just like anything else it sometimes just takes a little education and experience if you can swing a range trip.   I've enlightened more than one "anti gun" person that way.  

One was vehemently against black gun ownership and now bugs the crap out of me all the time to go shooting.  

I'm afraid i created a monster with that one    jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.20  Dulay  replied to  MUVA @7.1.7    2 months ago

 
 
 
zuksam
7.2  zuksam  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    3 months ago

Biden got mad because the guy was telling the truth, if you own a semi-auto rifle or handgun then Biden does want to take away your gun.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
7.2.1  XDm9mm  replied to  zuksam @7.2    3 months ago
Biden got mad because the guy was telling the truth, if you own a semi-auto rifle or handgun then Biden does want to take away your gun.

Nah.  Uncle Joe doesn't have the balls.  He'll leave that chore to his newest best buddy BETO!!

I'm still waiting for him to show up at my door.  I did send him an email explicitly inviting him to come and TRY to take mine, of course he would have to be the first one through the door.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  zuksam @7.2    3 months ago
Biden got mad because the guy was telling the truth, if you own a semi-auto rifle or handgun then Biden does want to take away your gun.

Even if that is presently true ( he says not) doesn't that take both houses to approve. LMAO, like that is ever going to happen.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    3 months ago
I'm sorry Tig but I am going to have to disagree with you.

Do so at your peril.   jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

My position on this is easily stated.   A person running for PotUS should, in any and every public venue, behave as a president.   Seems to me that this would be the first lesson drilled into the candidate by his campaign advisers.   And, as you note, since everyone has a video recording in their phones, it is even more critical that this be done (and, indeed, even when the candidate thinks he is in a private setting).

There is no reason to attack his inquisitor.   He has done this before.   You do not attack the person, attack the message.   And if you are going to go on the attack, then think about what you are going to say and articulate a clear rebuttal.   Rambling, half-sentence stuff just makes him look bad and arms Trump with campaign material.

So my net comment remains this:   I am very disappointed yet again that we have a choice between Trump and now Biden.

 
 
 
MUVA
7.3.1  MUVA  replied to  TᵢG @7.3    3 months ago

You are 98% right where I disagree all his sentences are rambling and incoherent stuff not half.jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif   I should know.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.3.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  TᵢG @7.3    3 months ago
 I am very disappointed yet again that we have a choice between Trump and now Biden.

Are you equating the two?

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.3.3  seeder  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.3.2    3 months ago

Hardly, the two are entirely different individuals with entirely different views, personalities, objectives, morality, history, etc.

But what is very likely to be true (the part where they have commonality) is that one will be the D nominee and the other the R nominee.

I am very disappointed yet again that we have a choice between Trump and now Biden.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    3 months ago
I'm sorry Tig but I am going to have to disagree with you. He was accosted by a pile of guys pressing him for an answer.

And the result was him showing his ignorance and talking down to voters.  Not a good thing to do.  

This is who he is. 

And it's showing the incompetence of the party he represents.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7.4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.4    3 months ago
And the result was him showing his ignorance and talking down to voters.  Not a good thing to do.  

Look, it is never good to snap at a guy who is calling you out in a crowd of his buddies. I won't say no. But most guys would have reacted the same way when confronted. 

This is who he is.  And it's showing the incompetence of the party he represents.

Oh poppycock. Trump represents the republican party and his gaffs have been far worse. Is he showing the incompetence of the party he represents?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
8  Drakkonis    3 months ago

This is going to sound strange, but even if Biden wins the presidency, he will not be the president. The DNC will be the president. Biden will do whatever they tell him to do. The man will be a place marker, not a president.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Drakkonis @8    3 months ago

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Ozzwald
8.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Drakkonis @8    3 months ago

This is going to sound strange, but even if Biden wins the presidency, he will not be the president. The DNC will be the president. Biden will do whatever they tell him to do. The man will be a place marker, not a president.

Nonsense, that doesn't sound strange at all......./s

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Raven Wing
8.2.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2    3 months ago
the man will be a place marker, not a president.

Sounds like he is thinking of Trump. I for one would rather Biden be a place marker for the DNC, than to follow in Trump's footsteps and be a puppet president for Putin, Un, Assad and the other arch enemies of the US while shunning and/or betraying our loyal allies.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
8.2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.1    3 months ago
than to follow in Trump's footsteps and be a puppet president for Putin, Un, Assad and the other arch enemies of the US while shunning and/or betraying our loyal allies.

Wow. I didn't know independents fed into all the extreme left-wing talking points. Who knew.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Drakkonis @8    3 months ago

Excellent idea for a new book. "The Geriatric Manchurian Candidate".

 
 
 
Raven Wing
8.3.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3    3 months ago
Excellent idea for a new book. "The Geriatric Manchurian Candidate".

An even better book is "Donald J. Trump, The Senile Puppet Who's Putin's Loyal B*tch" (a.k.a. "The Orange Man Who Skrewed America").

 
 
 
evilgenius
8.4  evilgenius  replied to  Drakkonis @8    3 months ago
...even if Biden wins the presidency, he will not be the president. The DNC will be the president. Biden will do whatever they tell him to do. The man will be a place marker, not a president.

You base this on what now?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
8.4.1  Drakkonis  replied to  evilgenius @8.4    3 months ago
You base this on what now?

Really? The man operates as if he has Alzheimer's syndrome. And that vid where he speaks of children stroking his legs because they're hairy? (shudder) 

 
 
 
evilgenius
8.4.2  evilgenius  replied to  Drakkonis @8.4.1    3 months ago

So you really don't have anything other than your feels? Okay.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.4.3  Ozzwald  replied to  Drakkonis @8.4.1    3 months ago
Really? The man operates as if he has Alzheimer's syndrome. 

At least Biden knows where his car is.

 
 
 
CB
8.4.4  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @8.4.1    2 months ago

I won't hold Trump's age against him, in fact, for that matter, I won't hold anybody in this discussion's age against them either!

It won't work this time around nonetheless!  Moreover, it is a sham and a shame for Christians to be deliberately involved in the dissemination of gross propaganda instead of actual knowledge.

Note: Do you really mean to wish Alzheimer's disease on anybody with such loose talk?

 
 
 
CB
8.5  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @8    2 months ago

There is an implied admission there. Your reference to the DNC set aside because you have no way of knowing of what you speak, you are explicitly explaining to us that the RNC and conservatives allows Donald Trump unbridled control over its political party.  A pagan leader directing Christian fundamentalists.

 
 
 
CB
9  CB     2 months ago
“An AR is a machine gun!”

I would like to hear where this is in the interaction between Joe and the other guy.

 

 
 
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