What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?

  
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By:   Tim Young

What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?
The 77-year-old presidential candidate stopped in his tracks and began berating the man, simply for questioning his policy choices. He began by swearing at him, yelling aggressively that he’s “full of s***!” At this point, his younger, female staffer tried to wrap the conversation to get Mr. Biden to move on, when she did, he barked at her and told her to keep quiet with a “shush!” Mr. Biden continued to argue what guns the man could possibly need under the Second Amendment, adding that he...

O’Biden is a bitter and senile old man we can’t trust with any position of power. 


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Joe Biden visited union autoworkers in Michigan this week at their plant, and in the middle of his hand-shaking and innocuous tour, one man stopped to confront him about the potential new gun laws that he has endorsed that would further limit the Second Amendment rights of Americans. Mr. Biden’s reaction to this questioning turned into a viral video.

This is a lot to unravel in one 90-second clip, so stay with me.

The 77-year-old presidential candidate stopped in his tracks and began berating the man, simply for questioning his policy choices. He began by swearing at him, yelling aggressively that he’s “full of s***!” At this point, his younger, female staffer tried to wrap the conversation to get Mr. Biden to move on, when she did, he barked at her and told her to keep quiet with a “shush!” Mr. Biden continued to argue what guns the man could possibly need under the Second Amendment, adding that he will take the “AR-14s” from people while pointing in the man’s face. When the man told him not to point in his face, Mr. Biden snapped, “Don’t tell me what to do, pal. I’ll take you out and slap you!”

Later in the day, to correct for this on Twitter, “Good for Joe” became a trend on the left, as they cheered for his actions — but could you just imagine what would happen if President Trump did even one of the things that Mr. Biden did in those 90 seconds. Thanks to the behavior of the talking heads and pundits in the media, we don’t have to imagine; we know. 

We know exactly what happens when Mr. Trump openly criticizes an opposing viewpoint. If he calls the media or a commentator “B-S-” or labels a news story “fake news,” the outrage from the left is that it’s somehow an attack on the First Amendment. His stating of his opinion is labeled an attack on free speech. 

“How dare the president” respond or clap-back to constant criticism from opponents in the media. Somehow, when he does it, it’s construed as the end of our ability to receive “the truth” from national media outlets, as opposed to him just explaining his opinion. 

We know exactly what would happen if Mr. Trump publicly disrespected and embarrassed a female staffer the way Mr. Biden did when he shushed the young lady who was by his side. The left, which for years has called him misogynist, sexist and many other -ists, would use this clip to show that he has no respect for women. Women coalitions would use this as their rallying call and the left would dust off their pink hats and vagina costumes for another march on Washington. They would use this 90-second clip as definitive proof that Mr. Trump hates women. 

Do we even need to discuss what would happen if Donald Trump gaffed as much as Joe Biden — especially on critical talking points like the AR-15? Since the Trump presidency began, the left, including former acting Director of the FBI Andrew McCabe, have screamed that he is mentally unfit to be president. They add that the 25th Amendment needs to be enacted in order to remove this “crazy man” from the Oval Office. Sure, the president has his moments and there are occasional gaffes, but he doesn’t forget what the most politicized gun, the AR-15 is — and he also doesn’t forget what state he’s in, who his wife is, that he’s running for president, that the last president was Barack Obama — and he doesn’t claim to have taken advice on current issues from longtime deceased world leaders. In case you’re wondering, Mr. Biden has done all of those things — in basically the last two weeks.

Finally, we all know what would happen if Mr. Trump got in someone’s face and physically threatened them. We’d have combinations of all the above reactions: Pearl clutching, disrespect for humans, cries that he’s threatening to end the First Amendment and calls for the 25th. 

If Mr. Trump literally did any one of the multiple things Mr. Biden was guilty of in that basic 90-second clip, it would be treated as the end of the world by the left and their media friends. It would be headline news for days, if not weeks, and it might even be used to attempt to impeach him again.

But because it’s Joe Biden, Democratic candidate for president, it’ll be celebrated, blown off and excused away. 

• Tim Young is a political comedian and author of “I Hate Democrats/I Hate Republicans” (Post Hill Press).

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Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1    3 weeks ago

Finally, we all know what would happen if Mr. Trump got in someone’s face and physically threatened them. We’d have combinations of all the above reactions: Pearl clutching, disrespect for humans, cries that he’s threatening to end the First Amendment and calls for the 25th. 

If Mr. Trump literally did any one of the multiple things Mr. Biden was guilty of in that basic 90-second clip, it would be treated as the end of the world by the left and their media friends. It would be headline news for days, if not weeks, and it might even be used to attempt to impeach him again.

But because it’s Joe Biden, Democratic candidate for president, it’ll be celebrated, blown off and excused away.  https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/49750/what-would-the-liberal-media-do-if-president-trump-verbally-attacked-a-michigan-autoworker

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1    3 weeks ago
If Mr. Trump literally did any one of the multiple things Mr. Biden was guilty of in that basic 90-second clip, it would be treated as the end of the world by the left and their media friends.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1    3 weeks ago

Thanks for precisely illustrating the POINT.

NOW you got it!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

NOW you got it!

But you still don't...

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

My mistake. I thought you really had it.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

My mistake. I thought you really had it.

Yes it is your mistake.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1    3 weeks ago

Trump has verbally assaulted at least half the people in this and may other countries.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  cjcold @1.2    3 weeks ago

No he hasn’t.  O’Biden has though.  

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.3  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @1.2    2 weeks ago

And not just those "may" countries. January to December are also offended.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.2.4  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  cjcold @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

Playing on typos is all Biden fans have left to do.  

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.5  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

I acknowledge my typos, Do you acknowledge your fascism?

 
 
 
Steve Ott
2  Steve Ott    3 weeks ago

O’Biden is a bitter and senile old man we can’t trust with any position of power. 

I don't believe he is any more senile than the current occupant. With that having been said, we know Trump would have been roasted. Perhaps we should bring back the Sedition Acts that Adams was so fond of.You can find crap wherever you look, but to find the truth, you gotta do a little digging on your own.

For your enjoyment: Biden Likens Owning an AR-15 to Falsely Shouting Fire in a Crowded Theater

     " Since even shotguns are  more commonly used  in homicides than "assault weapons" are, the constitutional or public safety distinction that Biden and Feinstein have in mind is rather mysterious. If Biden wants gun owners to believe him when he says he respects the Second Amendment, he will have to do a better job of explaining which rights he thinks it protects and why ."

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3  The Magic Eight Ball    3 weeks ago
What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?

LOL

everything from apoplectic fits to full blown seizures.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1  Texan1211  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3    3 weeks ago

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Freedom Warrior
4  Freedom Warrior    3 weeks ago

The blatant double standard excercised consistently by many of those who oppose Trump, conservatives and libertarians in general is a key reason why criticism of the President’s demeanor falls to the wayside in favor of higher priorities. 

Seriously, how many people here would sacrifice their economic well-being to elect someone they perceive to be morally and ethically above reproach. Judging from the objective results we can safely conclude they are full of shit. Yet you regularly see indignant proclamations to the contrary here. At some point it appears hypocritical virtue signaling could become an Olympic sport by that measure.

 
 
 
Tacos!
5  Tacos!    3 weeks ago

On MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell described this as “mixing it up” and edited out the part where Biden invites the guy to take it outside. So, they knew Biden was wrong and chose to cover it up.

Joe Biden's 'full of s--t' moment framed as just 'mixing it up' with voter by Andrea Mitchell

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 weeks ago

This is fake news. No matter how you feel about what Biden did, he never said:

“Don’t tell me what to do, pal. I’ll take you out and slap you!”

Here is the whole exchange. Watch at the twitter link:

Today, Joe Biden yelled in the faces of blue collar Union autoworkers from Michigan.

Biden said:

- “You are full of shit”
- “Shush!”
- “You don’t need an AR-14”
- “Don’t be a horses ass”
- “An AR is a machine gun!”
- "I'm not working for you"

RT so America sees the true Biden: pic.twitter.com/nv97O10SIo
— Benny (@bennyjohnson) March 10, 2020
 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    3 weeks ago
Here is the whole exchange.

None of those are things to be proud of, and if Trump had said them, it would be "proof" that he is unfit to be president. And it's not even all of it. Biden also said,

"Don't tell me that, pal, or I'm going to go outside with your ass."

And the thing is, Biden is actually correct on the issue. But this is not the first time he has talked about physically fighting someone he didn't like or disagreed with. He's got a problem. Makes me wonder if he gets physical - or threatens to - with Mrs. Biden.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.1  CB   replied to  Tacos! @6.1    3 weeks ago
Makes me wonder if he gets physical - or threatens to - with Mrs. Biden.

Did you see Mrs. Biden take down two animal protestors last week or so, when they each ran up on the platform? Don't speculate wildly. It only adds to the chaos. You don't want this to roll out into chaos, do you?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Tacos! @6.1    3 weeks ago
But this is not the first time he has talked about physically fighting someone he didn't like or disagreed with. He's got a problem.

So are you OK with Trump telling crowds to rough up people or saying he would like to punch a guy in the face? Do you worry about Melania?

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    3 weeks ago

Now you know that's not how this works. WhataboutTrump is not the appropriate response to this. We can be critical of Biden without pointing at other people.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.4  Tacos!  replied to  CB @6.1.1    3 weeks ago

So, it's ok to speculate wildly about the women in Trump's life, but not Biden's? Biden has demonstrated sufficiently to me that he is a person who thinks threats of violence are a good place to go when you disagree with someone. That should at least be part of the calculus in our voting.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.4    3 weeks ago
'Biden has demonstrated sufficiently to me that he is a person who thinks threats of violence are a good place to go when you disagree with someone.'

Something that's never happened with the tRump camp at any town hall or 'rally' that he's held or anyone who dares to correct him or question him?  

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.6  Tacos!  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.5    3 weeks ago

Oh look. Another person who wants to respond to this story with WhataboutTrump! I take it then you're perfectly fine with Biden threatening people he disagrees with, hmmm?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1.7  KDMichigan  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.6    3 weeks ago

That's all they got. And you know why.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.8  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.6    3 weeks ago

Is it wrong regardless of which candidate does it?   Should a candidate for PotUS ever verbally attack someone personally or threaten them?

Seems to me if one criticizes Biden for this then they should criticize Trump, and vice-versa.

Oddly, it seems Sanders has the best temperament of the viable candidates.   I do not recall Sanders ever getting personal;  he seems to focus exclusively on the issues.

Another disappointing election cycle.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.9  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.8    3 weeks ago
Seems to me if one criticizes Biden for this then they should criticize Trump

Absolutely. Did that happen this week? No. Have a million stories been seeded about Trump? Yes. This one is about Biden and soooooo many people are desperate to change the focus back to Trump.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.10  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.9    3 weeks ago

Trump supporters deflect to Biden.

Biden supporters deflect to Trump.

If only the electorate could break free of partisan blinders and objectively critique the candidates.   Maybe we would see better candidates in the future if they cannot count on blind partisan support.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.11  CB   replied to  Tacos! @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

First of all, I don't talk about women (or men) on either side who are married to a candidate! So miss me with your accusation. Second, Trump puts himself in the stream of consciousness on a daily basis, with his own WHATABOUTISMS as he tries to drag others on the periphery under him to ease his slides down the political slope.Thirdly, play and watch Mrs. Biden's action reel:

 

Lastly, you can try to make up stuff and poison the atmosphere with what you can not possibly know about the Biden's private affairs. You can do that, but, this video is something that you can know, Mrs. Biden got up close and personal with a couple of protestors. Joe was hands off! 

Finally, the women in Trump's life, were I to mention them negatively, it would be because they are not his wive/wives.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.12  CB   replied to  Tacos! @6.1.4    3 weeks ago

You were not going to vote for a democrat anyway. This is faux neutrality. Biden should take care to not play into the BS caricatures which are going to come his way from "serial" conservatives anyway. I emailed him with my 'critique' of this Detroit episode, now all I can do is wait to see if he takes my advice and more importantly, that of others in his life on cussing.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.13  Tacos!  replied to  CB @6.1.12    3 weeks ago
You were not going to vote for a democrat anyway.

Don't imagine that you know how I vote. That is your own bias speaking. I live in California and just got through voting for a Democrat on Super Tuesday. Try again.

This story is about Joe Biden. It's not about Trump and it's not about me.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.14  CB   replied to  TᵢG @6.1.10    3 weeks ago

Trump is a complex being. He injects so much political material (fodder) into the political eco-system daily that he can not and should not be ignored. It is not partisan to SEE the political "monkey" that won't climb down from waving and patting its butt at any given moment day or night. Top it off! After the monkey gets you to look and listen intensely in its direction - it starts passing the buck unkindly and negatively to others. 

I do not blame Trump supporters for being sick and tired of the man's outrageous tactics—I might like Trump better if he did not choose to play the role of notorious "heel" in his own production.

I am not partisan blind. Trump is de facto an all-purpose jerk, and has replied so, since he lied on his fellow contestants in 2016 republican debates (on and off stage) to get them to fall out of the race, since he made pact with right-wing conservatives to be crude and rude to liberal and independent citizens by cutting them out of the political mainstream and dismissive to republicans and conservatives who do not participate in or criticize his conduct in office.

In other words, Trump does not listen to his advisors be they friend of foe for long. That is not the way we have learned a presidential administration should run.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.15  CB   replied to  Tacos! @6.1.13    3 weeks ago

I know what you SAY often enough in your comments to 'translate.' It really is not that complex a thing to see where any of us stands 99.99 percent of the time. We're not children, thus we have the capacity to be plain and clear when we are inclined to be.

And, since you went there, I live in California too. And I voted for Schwarzenegger (at least I think I did, if memory serves me) after Gray Davis got his tail recalled! Since then republicans have shown their political butts and unprincipled side and I choose not to have anything to do with their BS. It's my choice. Does'nt mean I can not say something good about a republican/conservative/fundamentalists. What it does mean is I control my vote - its mine - I'll give it away to whomsoever I wish when the time comes! 

This story is about Trump too, as that talking "horses-ass" won't stop neighing and Whataboutisms! Why should I cut Trump slack? He has decided he has none for the likes of me!

 
 
 
CB
6.1.16  CB   replied to  CB @6.1.15    3 weeks ago

If I passed on a candidate for California governor the first time Schwarzenegger ran and won, I know that I voted for him the second (full term) as governor because he did not offend me (sufficiently). I have always liked him as a man. And, I loved his wife. Loved the "interrelationship" of their politics. Of course, then the scandal (sex with maid-child resembling Arnold) broke on the residence.  These politicians, and would be politicians, have such small worlds. . . .

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.17  Tacos!  replied to  CB @6.1.15    3 weeks ago
I know what you SAY often enough in your comments to 'translate.'

Clearly, you don’t know as much as you think you do and your mind appears to be closed to new information - like who I actually voted for.

 
 
 
CB
6.1.18  CB   replied to  Tacos! @6.1.17    3 weeks ago

Who you or I voted for in California is not a driving force in this discussion. It's time to move back into the stream of this discussion. See you there.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.19  TᵢG  replied to  CB @6.1.14    3 weeks ago

Well said!

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.20  Tacos!  replied to  CB @6.1.18    3 weeks ago
Who you or I voted for in California is not a driving force in this discussion.

Then maybe refrain from dismissing me by declaring that I would never vote for a Democrat.

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.21  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.19    3 weeks ago

Not really. He brought it up.

 
 
 
squiggy
6.1.22  squiggy  replied to  Tacos! @6.1    3 weeks ago

"Makes me wonder if he gets physical - or threatens to - with Mrs. Biden."

She beats his ass - he has to take it out somewhere. Kinda like a cat-kicker.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.23  TᵢG  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.21    3 weeks ago
He brought it up.

I was replying to CB's comment @6.1.14 (note the link).   Did you think I was replying to his comment @6.1.18?

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.1.24  Tacos!  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.23    3 weeks ago

Yes, thank you.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.1.25  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1.7    3 weeks ago

It is indeed.  What about ism is all they have.  

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.1.26  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.20    3 weeks ago

You ask for way too much.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.27  cjcold  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

One of my favorite people of all time was Buzz Aldrin. The second man to walk on the moon. There was once a moon landing denier who called Buzz a liar for saying he had landed on the moon. Buzz punched him out. Great video!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
6.1.28  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Tacos! @6.1.9    2 weeks ago

Yes, we are because Trump is the ENEMY OF THE STATE! He is full of HATE, a corrupt, accused child rapist and an International CON ARTIST.

God did not appoint Trump. The Devil did. I know this because I talked to God and SHE said, "Trump is working for the other Guy, the one with the tail."

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
6.1.29  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  CB @6.1.14    2 weeks ago

Yeah, Baby, that's what I am talkin' about. Slapping down that Orange Buffoon until his statue tumbles taking all of the Maroons with him.

"Bye, Bye, Miss America Orange Menagerie Pie".

 
 
 
CB
6.2  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    3 weeks ago
An AR is a machine gun!”

I don't hear this one in the video, Perrie. Sorry. There is a great deal of cross-talk happening. Can you point it out?

 
 
 
cjcold
6.2.1  cjcold  replied to  CB @6.2    2 weeks ago

Sad that Biden is not the perfect candidate. Who has ever been, short of Bobby Kennedy?

I'll be voting for Biden all the same. He will be a good president.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
6.2.2  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  cjcold @6.2.1    2 weeks ago

Me, too. That is what the Me Too movement is all about - Voting for Biden vs. the Pussy Grabber. It's a "no-brainier."

My psychic, pizza delivery guy, says "Trump will come down with COVID19 by the end of March, and die in June" he predicts with a grin.

So, I gave him a $5.00 tip.

 
 
 
WallyW
6.4  WallyW  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6    3 weeks ago

That's still pretty bad. Creepy old Joe is not intellectually, physically, or emotionally fit to be president.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  WallyW @6.4    3 weeks ago

And Trump is?

Do you realize that you are criticizing Biden for the same things Trump has done?

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.2  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.4.1    3 weeks ago

Seems like many give Biden a pass on the same type of things they have criticized Trump for doing.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.4.3  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.2    3 weeks ago

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TᵢG
6.4.4  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.2    3 weeks ago

You are noting blind partisanship;  a phenomenon not limited to a single party. 

Those who are not blind partisans like Perrie are free to be critical of (or praise) any candidate regardless of party or ideology.    

Funny thing though, if an independent thinker criticizes the candidate of a blind partisan, the partisan 'knows'  the critic is a partisan of the opposing party.

Criticize a D and all the D partisans immediately 'know' you are an R.

Criticize an R and all the R partisans immediately 'know' you are a D.

Social media is a very good way to observe silly biases in action.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.4.5  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.4.1    3 weeks ago
And Trump is?

Apparently.

He IS "President" after all, and will be AGAIN !

Joes "Trying to be"...….. Again !

3rd tries a "Charm" ?

 
 
 
CB
6.4.6  CB   replied to  TᵢG @6.4.4    3 weeks ago

It depends on the situation, a detailed comment, or body of comments across a spectrum/period. For instance, there are unanswered characterizations about all of social media members political views, how we approach passing judgements on issues, coming to conclusions, and maintaining a public stance which never get asked about online. For example, I have taken a stolid stance against Donald Trump's form of governance and how it has affected republicans and conservatives and vice-versa-for sure. My attitude towards Donald, republicans, and conservatives is not a "put-up" job; I cut my cable news shows odyssey on ten years plus of The O'Reilly Factor,  Hannity and Colmes, regular programming evening cable news shows between CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News (the "new Big Three.")  I watched all of the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, and the death of Saddam Hussein and his sons through the lens of the three networks. I did not distinguish apart from the other in factual or news coverage.

Fox News in the era of Obama left me. They attacked him mercilessly (and Rush Limbaugh did so on radio). I began to perceive the same "colors" of the attitudes of people on the network that I see today. And of note: Shepard Smith, a journalist extraordinaire, was paid to walk away from the station and job he loved.

Conservatism changed; became less respectful of other people not strident in their stances, me not so much.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.7  TᵢG  replied to  CB @6.4.6    3 weeks ago

Watch how this happens even here on NT.

Criticize Trump and you will be presumed to be part of 'the left' or a D or ...    Being critical of a politician means, to some, that you are 'one of them'.   The 'us vs. them' think is rooted in our genetics so it is understandable, but observing the phenomenon still causes me to shake my head.

I wrote an article a few weeks ago arguing that Sanders is not a 'communist' as per the former USSR but rather is a social democrat patterned heavily after the Nordic nations.    I even noted in my article that I am most definitely NOT a Sanders supporter.

Wanna guess the position that some took (and refused to back down on)?

This is nothing new.   I have discussed this with other political independents over the years and they have the same experience.   Both sides (R and D, and even L) consider us 'one of them'.   It is truly ridiculous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.8  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.4    3 weeks ago

I stated absolutely zero about what Perrie thinks of any candidate.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.9  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.8    3 weeks ago

What compelled you to proclaim this obvious fact?   Simply because I mentioned Perrie as an example (given she is right here in the thread)?

I was offering Perrie as an example of one who is NOT a blind partisan.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.10  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.9    3 weeks ago
What compelled you to proclaim this obvious fact? 

Oh, I don't know--probably the same thing that caused you to post that obvious fact to me in the first place.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.4.11  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.2    3 weeks ago

I concur and strongly agree with you 1000%.  Well said.  👍👏

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.4.12  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.8    3 weeks ago

Nor did I.  I was talking about the lamestream media in general.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.13  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.10    3 weeks ago

I posted a comment on blind partisanship with an embedded example.   Examples should be obvious, right?

TiG @6.4.4:

You are noting blind partisanship;  a phenomenon not limited to a single party. 

Those who are not blind partisans like Perrie are free to be critical of (or praise) any candidate regardless of party or ideology.    

Funny thing though, if an independent thinker criticizes the candidate of a blind partisan, the partisan 'knows'  the critic is a partisan of the opposing party.

Criticize a D and all the D partisans immediately 'know' you are an R.

Criticize an R and all the R partisans immediately 'know' you are a D.

Social media is a very good way to observe silly biases in action.

This comment was not about Perrie it was about blind partisanship.   It was an observation of the phenomenon and my opinion on how ridiculous human beings can be.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.14  Freedom Warrior  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.7    3 weeks ago

First of all the notion of independence is wishy washy (highly technical term for your benefit) bullshit unless one is considered so malleable as to have no guiding principles. 

Then consider the recurring theme in which I and others have expressed distaste for the GOP but are labeled right wing. 

Just those two factors alone lay waste to your premise.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.4.15  KDMichigan  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.7    3 weeks ago
Watch how this happens even here on NT.

You do realize you are responding to a person who often refers to people being on the other team don't you?

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.16  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.13    3 weeks ago

That's swell and all.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.17  TᵢG  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.14    3 weeks ago
First of all the notion of independence is wishy washy

The notion of independence is fundamental and well-defined.   An independent, by definition, does not simply accept the positions of a party.   An independent is a critical thinker whose agreement with a particular party is a result of their own reasoning and not mere acceptance of a talking point.

...  consider the recurring theme in which I and others have expressed distaste for the GOP but are labeled right wing. 

An individual can be an R, D, L, etc. and still be a political independent.

Your comment illustrates that you do not understand the concept of a political independent.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.18  TᵢG  replied to  KDMichigan @6.4.15    3 weeks ago
You do realize you are responding to a person who often refers to people being on the other team don't you?

Does that matter given what I wrote?

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.19  TᵢG  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.16    3 weeks ago
That's swell and all.

Thanks for that insight.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.4.20  KDMichigan  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.18    3 weeks ago
Does that matter given what I wrote?

I'm sure to you it doesn't. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.21  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.19    3 weeks ago
Thanks for that insight.

Why, you are entirely welcome!!!

 
 
 
CB
6.4.22  CB   replied to  TᵢG @6.4.7    3 weeks ago

Then we must do the hard work of correcting any knuckleheads and hardcases (generic use of the words) who wish to argue for argument sake. I do my part my expressing my stances and how I come about them. I let the chips fall where they may and reshuffle the stack right in front of them.

I do see what you write about, nevertheless.

Trump pulls that stunt under his private and professional philosophy or political party loyalty. Translation: Conservatives and republicans are solely standing under Trump's banner or they are not associated with him at all.

Where does that leave conservatives who are not "Never Trumpers," - do not support him - still stand under the distinctive conservative banner? Trying to save the party and its reputation from permanent disgrace? They have make a space for themselves in the marketplace.

 
 
 
CB
6.4.23  CB   replied to  KDMichigan @6.4.15    3 weeks ago

Actually Tig and I go way back. We're "legendary" in our engagements. LOL! We communicate at a "higher" level. (Smile.)

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.24  Freedom Warrior  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.17    3 weeks ago

No that's just more bullshit.  Either you have guiding principles or you don't.  If someone changes those principles to suit a particular situation then makes that person a wishy washy fukwad.

Those principles I refer to (assuming one has them) align themselves with an identifiable political philosophy.  The term independent is just a phony attempt to play both ends of the spectrum.  Have it both ways. It's not really about some frickin political party.  It's more about a personality trait. (Refer to psychological literature)   

Criticize Trump and you will be presumed to be part of 'the left' or a D or

That's your comment. It's BS and you know it.  Enter the never Trumpers.  

Then since you raise the issue once again let's consider your "defense" of socialism as an example . That appears to be an attempt to play both sides of the fence.  Oh it's not really socialism, it's statism or wealth distribution or whatever. All the while knowing that those brandings are far more accepted understandings of the term than your impotent defense of "Independents". 

While I don't think you are a "socialist".  I do question your motives however in the sense of providing aid and comfort to the ideological enemy knowing full well (or should we leave room for doubt) they contradict the overall construct.  Not coincidentally and not unlike the argument regarding independents above.

The partisanship argument you raise while half baked is valid on some level but not in the larger context of political strategy.  It seemingly has never been more true than in the Trump phenomenon.  Most likely because the opponent's ability to coalesce its opposition to a greater degree and foster azzdouchery on a scale that only a firewall of NO FUCKING WAY is capable of countering.  Re-enter the never Trumpers and witness the incredibly lame transformation of lefties in their duplicitous praise. I can easily question that motivation as well.

Strange bedfellows, well of course, where would the world be without ideological impurity.  And that's the "thing" isn't.  Shall we consult the demented old Dem frontrunner on that one. 

Speaking of ideological purity, it occurs to me that none of this make one bit a difference and I'll take comfort in that as I immerse myself in matters of greater value.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.25  TᵢG  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.24    3 weeks ago
No that's just more bullshit.  Either you have guiding principles or you don't.  If someone changes those principles to suit a particular situation then makes that person a wishy washy fukwad.

You think that the only guiding principles are those held by a political party?   

Then since you raise the issue once again let's consider your "defense" of socialism as an example .

Right off the bat you illustrate that you have no clue my position on socialism.   I do not 'defend' socialism, I try to get people (like you) to understand the various things that are labeled as 'socialism' and to distinguish them (and, indeed, use the proper names).    Buy a vowel.   

The partisanship argument you raise while half baked is valid on some level but not in the larger context of political strategy.  It seemingly has never been more true than in the Trump phenomenon.  Most likely ...

And why, exactly, is my partisanship argument half-baked?   First, you should quote me so I know exactly what you mean by 'your partisanship argument'.    Second, you did not back up your position but rather made a claim and then went off opining.   

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.26  Freedom Warrior  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.25    2 weeks ago

Look I know you don't get it and don't expect you ever will.  That comment is just more proof.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.27  TᵢG  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.26    2 weeks ago

Brilliant, elucidating response.   I would have expected nothing else.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.28  Freedom Warrior  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.27    2 weeks ago

You got more than you deserved.  And we are left to wonder why you can never figure anything out on your own.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.4.29  TᵢG  replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.28    2 weeks ago
... you can never figure anything out on your own

One of your cliches.   When challenged to be specific I have noticed you often fault NT members, implying they are too stupid to figure out your vague comments on their own.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.4.30  Texan1211  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.29    2 weeks ago

Oh, the irony! 

It is so thick you could cut it with a knife!

 
 
 
Tacos!
6.4.31  Tacos!  replied to  Texan1211 @6.4.30    2 weeks ago

I know, right?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.32  Freedom Warrior  replied to  TᵢG @6.4.29    2 weeks ago

That's always been your excuse.   It's like you telling me the sky isn't blue.  That may appear true on a cloudy day but ultimately I am proven correct when the clouds pass by.

Is that too vauge?  Do you want me to define blue sky?

 

 
 
 
CB
6.4.33  CB   replied to  Freedom Warrior @6.4.32    2 weeks ago

No, not necessary. Develop a remarkable habit of being on the same page with those you wish to communicate. Is it your perspective, discussion must be tedious and draining?

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
6.4.34  Freedom Warrior  replied to  CB @6.4.33    2 weeks ago
No, not necessary.

Hasn't been my experience.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
6.4.35  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  KDMichigan @6.4.15    2 weeks ago

True.  If one doesn’t bash Trump or his supporters hard enough one can’t be on his team.  

 
 
 
cjcold
6.4.36  cjcold  replied to  WallyW @6.4    2 weeks ago

Actually, Biden has a history of being a good person. Trump has a history of being the worst asshole, thief, liar, idiot on the planet.

Trump's crimes are well documented. Only fascist fools ignore his insanity.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
7  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

The idea that this whole thing is some kind of big incident is hilarious.  Trumpsters must be scared out their wits over Trump having to face Biden. 

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Donald Trump Encourages Violence At His Rallies. His Fans ...

Dec 19, 2016  · Racial slurs, nasty rhetoric and violence at  Trump  rallies have become commonplace against  protesters , bystanders, and reporters. Assaults are committed not only by rowdy  Trump fans , but by the staff he employs to keep the events safe. But rather than denounce these incidents,  Trump  is making them part of his brand, and uses them to rev up crowds.

 
 
 
CometRider
7.1  CometRider  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago
Trumpsters must be scared out their wits over Trump having to face Biden. 

Trump won't face Biden in the general election. Joe will pull out before the convention for "health reasons" Without campaigning for the nomination in rides Hillary to save the day.

 
 
 
squiggy
7.1.1  squiggy  replied to  CometRider @7.1    3 weeks ago
Makes me wonder if he gets physical - or threatens to - with Mrs. Biden.

Stop it, you're scaring me.

 
 
 
squiggy
7.1.2  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @7.1.1    3 weeks ago

forget the quote - belongs elsewhere

 
 
 
squiggy
7.1.3  squiggy  replied to  CometRider @7.1    3 weeks ago

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cjcold
7.1.4  cjcold  replied to  squiggy @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

Nice to have a president whos wife moves faster than the secret service.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
7.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago

It’s not like we needed any more examples of the double standard I referred to above. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.3  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago

Man, who wouldn't have expected a DEFLECTION????

Anything to make this about Trump and NOT Biden, eh?

 
 
 
It Is ME
7.4  It Is ME  replied to  JohnRussell @7    3 weeks ago
Trumpsters must be scared out their wits over Trump having to face Biden. 

Why would, after seeing Joe in action, Trump supporters be scared.

I "Relish"......with "Mustard" on top too ……. Trump v. Biden debates.

Joe's running for the "Senate" afterall. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
7.4.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  It Is ME @7.4    3 weeks ago

It should be an interesting campaign.  Poor sleepy joe!  

 
 
 
cjcold
7.4.2  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @7.4.1    2 weeks ago

Poor assholes who make childish names up for their political rivals.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
7.4.3  Freedom Warrior  replied to  cjcold @7.4.2    2 weeks ago

Hey do you suppose O'biden is gearing up for St Paddy's Day like O'Bummer did.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
8  igknorantzrulz    3 weeks ago

What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?

.

say SO WHAT !

he's attacked any and all. POW's that he doesn't like because they got caught. War Heroes post humas . Gold Star parents.

When you don't call out this POS for ALL THE CRAP HE HAS PULLED,

DON"T, expect to be able to use it against a Dem.

Besides the two not even being close to on the same nasty level, Trump should have been a brilliant scientist like his uncle, festering all pugsley like a cousin who it goes for, especially on enlightenment Wednesday's, when Unc Fester uses light bulbs as Q tipping cows 20% for steering that stake through the heart of the matter that doesn't ring a bell till Lerching forward at the buzzer beaten to a pulp non fiction addiction ,that leaves one craving plastic 

Fantastic Spray cleaner, to clean up the mess before it and the bed are made by the maid who makes up bed times stories = as they live on a ranch dressing all as sir cumpherences. 

 
 
 
lady in black
9  lady in black    3 weeks ago

Crooked donnie attacks people all the time and republicans don't say boo shit about it, they agree with him....talk about your double standard.

 
 
 
Texan1211
9.1  Texan1211  replied to  lady in black @9    3 weeks ago
Crooked donnie attacks people all the time and republicans don't say boo shit about it, they agree with him....talk about your double standard.

And the media and liberals largely attack him for that, all the while whistling past Democrats who do the same stuff.

Nothing hypocritical aboiut THAT, now is there?

No siree Bob!!

 
 
 
cjcold
9.1.1  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1    2 weeks ago
Democrats who do the same stuff.

Sorry, Democrats don't do the same stuff. That's just another GOP lie.

 
 
 
Kavika
10  Kavika     3 weeks ago
What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?

No worries, Trump won't ever confront someone face to face. He attacks with twitter...LOL like all bone spur tough guys. 

 
 
 
WallyW
10.1  WallyW  replied to  Kavika @10    3 weeks ago

Wait until they debate.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
10.1.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  WallyW @10.1    3 weeks ago

That will be fun to watch. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
10.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

Oh, there I agree. 

 
 
 
CB
10.2  CB   replied to  Kavika @10    3 weeks ago

Joe Biden will do better to plan for the debates with Trump (and like Hulk Hogan says, ". . .take your vitamins!"). Because Trump is looking at the tv ratings before and after the debates - so as to 'classify.' You can not be nice and easy with the dirtiest player in the politics game. Be prepared Team Biden. Be prepared to push back on all kinds of tactics, including from Burisma's executives conveniently sitting on the front row of the venue!

 
 
 
CometRider
11  CometRider    3 weeks ago

The loser in a debate between Trump and Biden would be the English language

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.1  TᵢG  replied to  CometRider @11    3 weeks ago

jrSmiley_79_smiley_image.gif    (sad but true)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
12  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago
What Would The Liberal Media Do If President Trump Verbally Attacked A Michigan Autoworker?

Their collective head would explode.  You thing there is hysteria over Coronavirus?  This is NOTHING to the left freak out that would occur.  Hell 4 years later we are still dealing with their "outrage" of losing an election.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
12.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @12    3 weeks ago

Let’s keep them outraged for four more years!

 
 
 
CB
13  CB     3 weeks ago
O’Biden is a bitter and senile old man we can’t trust with any position of power. 

Well, What you mean,"we." We, democrats have no expectation you will trust him! Why would you invest in a democratic party member having a position of power?

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
13.1  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  CB @13    3 weeks ago

We as in we the American people can’t trust him.  

 
 
 
CB
13.1.1  CB   replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1    3 weeks ago

Untrue. Fundamentalist Christians represent a small swath of this nation's citizenry. In fact, I hear a rumor that fundie church disruptive "stream of consciousness" is aging out. Data points illustrate fundies are losing in the long-term strategy stats, because young people are having trouble reconciling the fact that political fundies are willing to be hypocritical and 'dirty tacticians' to their fellow citizens.

Oh, and y'all refuse to let Trump go away, even though he is a "son of lies." He is your ruination which you won't part with. Young people see through the smoke screen y'all are holding up; your churches are gasping for new blood! God, likely will cut your crop of fundamentalism down to the ground, and rebuild from the root yet again.

 
 
 
JBB
13.1.2  JBB  replied to  CB @13.1.1    3 weeks ago

I do appreciate that those misguided fundies who proclaimed Trump to be ordained by God are now finally being shown for the idolaters and false prophets they are now proven to be. That is, unless God actually hates America...

 
 
 
CB
13.1.3  CB   replied to  JBB @13.1.2    3 weeks ago

The fundamentals think they have Trump, but actually Trump has exposed them for the relativist they are. They can't even talk about God, Jesus, Spirit, properly without walking away and hiding whether than admit his shortcomings or theirs for giving up absolutism for a Trump 'deal' of judges and segregation (school vouchers is still on the back burner), and putting those "queens" back in the bushes.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
13.1.4  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  CB @13.1.1    3 weeks ago

It is the fundamentalists and evangelicals that are growing in Christianity. It is the old mainline Protestant churches that are hemorrhaging membership.  

 
 
 
CB
13.1.5  CB   replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.4    3 weeks ago

Fundamentalism is aging out, DJTF#1. It's all your fault, too. Your sect has taken into its chest a cancer called Donald Trump and he is flipping truth on its head and your children are watching you stand on your heads in agreement. You're aging out. God will never bless false piety, greed, and lies stacked on top of lies - masquerading as repentance, restoration, and peace.

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
13.1.6  seeder  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  CB @13.1.5    2 weeks ago

No we are not aging out at all .  Evangelical and as you say fundamentalist churches along with some churches that started here but are now global are fast growing and not aging out.  It is your version of the church hemorrhaging membership either to more conservative versions of same denominations or evangelical or to the nones.  

 
 
 
cjcold
13.1.7  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.4    2 weeks ago

So is far right wing fascism what you want?

 
 
 
MrFrost
13.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.4    2 weeks ago

It is the fundamentalists and evangelicals that are growing in Christianity. It is the old mainline Protestant churches that are hemorrhaging membership.  

Actually Christianity as a whole in the USA is falling apart. 

Christianity is the most adhered to religion in the United States , with 65% of polled American adults identifying themselves as Christian in 2019. [1] This is down from 85% in 1990, 81.6% in 2001, [2] and 12% lower than the 78% reported for 2012. [3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States#:~:text=Christianity%20is%20the%20most%20adhered,the%2078%25%20reported%20for%202012.

 
 
 
MrFrost
13.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.6    2 weeks ago
started here but are now global are fast growing and not aging out.

Incorrect. 

 
 
 
cjcold
13.1.10  cjcold  replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.6    2 weeks ago

It is fairly humorous seeing far right wing fascists hanging on to a dead past.

 
 
 
cjcold
13.1.11  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @13.1.10    2 weeks ago

Just like Palin, Trump will go burning down the tubes sooner than later.

Interesting that a Palin fool is now a Trump fool.

 
 
 
cjcold
13.1.12  cjcold  replied to  cjcold @13.1.11    2 weeks ago

Why am I not surprised?

 
 
 
CB
13.1.13  CB   replied to  Donald J. Trump Fan #1 @13.1.6    2 weeks ago

I am not interested in what fundamentalist Christians are doing with their 'exports' right now. Though, it is reasonable for you to expand your percentage number worldwide in an effort to magnify. To be clear, in your sect, you are fundamentalist Christians: The term, "evangelicals" came later under Francis Schaffer. Moreover, it is interesting to read that a Trump fundamentalist can find someone further right. After all, y'all literally tossed every other marketable conservative onto another rolling train going out of town. But feel free to boast for all the good it will do.

Trump has mocked God and done so with lies, deceits, manipulations, and fundamentalist Christians at his right hand.

 
 
 
CB
13.1.14  CB   replied to  MrFrost @13.1.8    2 weeks ago

And it is going to get smaller percentages too. Because fundamentalist offspring will rebuke their elders for allowing themselves to be manipulated by a single non-repentant and nay-sayer to forgiveness leader. Even while these very attitudes are put upon them! It's hypocritical. Your children will throw your hypocrisy back into your faces at the proper time!

 
 
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