Republican Senators Sound the Alarm: We Must End Our Medical Dependence on China

  
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Republican Senators Sound the Alarm: We Must End Our Medical Dependence on China
Earlier this week the Chinese Communist Party threatened to withhold pharmaceutical products and ingredients from the United States. In other words, they threatened to kill Americans.

This is neither Republican or Democrat, left or right, it is simply a MAJOR problem AMERICA must face and correct immediately.

Our dependence on other countries, mainly Communist China, has gotten beyond an ideological situation of right vs left, capitalist vs socialist, it is now a situation potentially affecting the very lives of Americans, now and in the future.

How long must we as a nation be held hostage by a foreign adversary that has as it's goal, replacing America as the preeminent military, economic and political force in the world.

The time has come, no, has long passed, that we as Americans DEMAND that our industrial might be restored and we repatriate the vast majority of our manufacturing capability to avoid being held hostage by others that want us to fail for their benefit. 


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Republican Senators Sound the Alarm: We Must End Our Medical Dependence on China





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As Wuhan virus continues to spread around the world and in the United States, Americans are waking up to a grim reality: China controls our pharmaceutical supply chain. 

Many Republicans and President Trump have been concerned about this issue for years and now, they're sounding the alarm for change. 

As mentioned by Senator Rubio, President Trump plans to sign an executive order in the coming days to jumpstart the process of reclaiming American pharmaceutical manufacturing.

Earlier this week the Chinese Communist Party threatened to withhold pharmaceutical products and ingredients from the United States. In other words, they threatened to kill Americans. 


In an article in Xinhua, one of the Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpieces, Beijing threatened that it can impose pharmaceutical export controls after which America will be “plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus.”

Unfortunately, Beijing isn’t bluffing about this capability.

As Rosemary Gibson, co-author of “China Rx: Exposing the Risks of America’s Dependence on China for Medicine,” testified to a congressional commission last summer, China has a dominant role in the manufacture of the generic drugs that comprise 90 percent of what Americans take.

The critical vulnerability isn’t just in finished drugs, but what are called active pharmaceutical ingredients, some 80 percent of which America now imports. Most of these come from Red China.


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Sparty On
1  Sparty On    2 weeks ago

Yes, yes and hell yes!

 
 
 
squiggy
1.1  squiggy  replied to  Sparty On @1    2 weeks ago

That means that American hospitals won’t be able to sell a bandaid for forty dollars.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.1  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  squiggy @1.1    2 weeks ago
That means that American hospitals won’t be able to sell a bandaid for forty dollars.

As long as there are lawyers around willing to sue the hospital for the pain and duress caused by the ouchy when the bandaid is pulled off, they most certainly will!! jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  Sparty On @1    2 weeks ago

Puerto Rico used to have a significant drug manufacturing capability.  However, when the tax breaks faded away, the manufacturers bailed out.  I surmise they ran to China.  But I guess they were also forced to give the Communists 51% of the ownership of the operations there as they required of any other moving there.   So WE bolstered THEIR economy, they stole the technology and capabilities and now we're paying the price.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.1  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2    2 weeks ago
Puerto Rico used to have a significant drug manufacturing capability.  However, when the tax breaks faded away, the manufacturers bailed out.  I surmise they ran to China.  But I guess they were also forced to give the Communists 51% of the ownership of the operations there as they required of any other moving there.   So WE bolstered THEIR economy, they stole the technology and capabilities and now we're paying the price.

And how long has Trump been in office now?

(And: why did it take him and the Republicans so long to start focusing on this issue? And why did it take a rapidly escalating Corona Virus epidemic to get them to finally notice this problem?)

 
 
 
zuksam
1.2.2  zuksam  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2    2 weeks ago

Probably the biggest reason drug companies manufacture in China or other countries is liability to workers. Think about the workers who mix and process these chemical compounds day after day and what they're breathing in or absorbing through their skin. Sure you can do it safely but it's so much cheaper to have disposable workers do it, in the US you'd have to wear full protective suits and there'd still be accidents. When we think of drug manufacturers we think of a factory that looks like a clean room processing pills but all those chemicals are made somewhere else and are delivered in drums if they're liquid or Gaylords if they're powder. I wouldn't want to work with that stuff in a low safety standard country like China. Think about the side effects from a once a day tiny pill of some of these drugs when these pills are really only 1% active ingredients and then imagine handling 600kg gaylords full of the pure active ingredient in powdered form. You know damn well there is going to be contamination no matter how careful they are, I wouldn't even want to breath the air in those factories

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.3  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
And how long has Trump been in office now?

Three and a half years.

(And: why did it take him and the Republicans so long to start focusing on this issue? And why did it take a rapidly escalating Corona Virus epidemic to get them to finally notice this problem?)

Trump was noting this years ago.   But it was about ALL Chinese manufacturing, not just medications.  I guess during the Obama administration, he was too concerned about Ebola in other countries to concern himself with America and it's problems.

See how that accusation shit works?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.4  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  zuksam @1.2.2    2 weeks ago
Probably the biggest reason drug companies manufacture in China or other countries is liability to workers. Think about the workers who mix and process these chemical compounds day after day and what they're breathing in or absorbing through their skin. Sure you can do it safely but it's so much cheaper to have disposable workers do it, in the US you'd have to wear full protective suits and there'd still be accidents. When we think of drug manufacturers we think of a factory that looks like a clean room processing pills but all those chemicals are made somewhere else and are delivered in drums if they're liquid or Gaylords if they're powder. I wouldn't want to work with that stuff in a low safety standard country like China. Think about the side effects from a once a day tiny pill of some of these drugs when these pills are really only 1% active ingredients and then imagine handling 600kg gaylords full of the pure active ingredient in powdered form. You know damn well there is going to be contamination no matter how careful they are, I wouldn't even want to breath the air in those factories

That's a very probable reason.  I had a consulting job at one point and one of the company accounts was involved with computer components.  They had 'clean rooms' and the people all suited up to keep the components clean.   I noted how difficult that must be for the workers and the customer manager I was working with noted it was nothing compared to his previous job and what they had to go through making drugs.  What he described was insane precautions, and every one of them was absolutely necessary but they made the computer clean rooms look like kindergarten play rooms in comparison.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.5  cjcold  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

Butt on the plus side, Ivanka has a Chinese clothing contract.

 
 
 
squiggy
1.2.6  squiggy  replied to  cjcold @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

Look! Titties!

 
 
 
gooseisgone
1.2.7  gooseisgone  replied to  Krishna @1.2.1    2 weeks ago
why did it take him and the Republicans so long to start focusing on this issue?

What are you talking about, Trump's the only President in my live time to engage in the trade imbalance with China! 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
1.3  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Sparty On @1    2 weeks ago

In the meantime Teva is a leading maker of generic drugs perhaps they can ramp up their production until we are better positioned.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2  seeder  XDm9mm    2 weeks ago

Americans need to wake up.  Americans need to call their Representatives and Senators and tell them that they want them to WORK TOGETHER to make sure our security and lives are not dependent on the whims of foreign countries and BRING AMERICA manufacturing and jobs back here to America.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @2    2 weeks ago
Americans need to wake up.  Americans need to call their Representatives and Senators and tell them that they want them to WORK TOGETHER to make sure our security and lives are not dependent on the whims of foreign countries and BRING AMERICA manufacturing and jobs back here to America.

And after they call their representatives...they should also call several other people as well!

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2  cjcold  replied to  XDm9mm @2    2 weeks ago

Don't understand a damn thing about market forces do you?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.2.1  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  cjcold @2.2    2 weeks ago
Don't understand a damn thing about market forces do you?

Sure do.  Now go back to your theoretical science projects.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @2    2 weeks ago

...want them to WORK TOGETHER to make sure our security and lives are not dependent on the whims of foreign countries and BRING AMERICA manufacturing and jobs back here to America.

Good luck with that given the current geopolitical climate...

While your at it, go take a look at who has the lions share of rare earth magnets.  Want to talk about something critical to our economy, and national defense.....? 

https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/critical-metals-investing/rare-earth-investing/rare-earth-producing-countries/

 
 
 
XDm9mm
2.3.1  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.3    2 weeks ago
Good luck with that given the current geopolitical climate...

While your at it, go take a look at who has the lions share of rare earth magnets.  Want to talk about something critical to our economy, and national defense.....? 

https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/critical-metals-investing/rare-earth-investing/rare-earth-producing-countries/

Some want to work with others, and some don't.  Maybe if they got their shit together, they could pass a bill mandating only clean bills go from House to Senate.  Enough of the tacking on "X" bullshit desire to a "Y+Z" beneficial to everyone bill.

There are other places where rare earths are abundant.  Unfortunately, they're not the most stable governments nor overly friendly.  Then again, they're not overly friendly to anyone anywhere.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3  Split Personality    2 weeks ago

Two things.

The Chinese control the manufacture of about 150 medicinal drugs.  Out of over 11,000 approved drugs.

https://www.drugbank.ca/stats

Drug Statistics

Total Number of Small Molecule Drugs 11360
Total Number of Biotech Drugs 2131
Total Number of Approved Drugs 4004
Total Number of Approved Small Molecule Drugs 2640
Total Number of Nutraceutical Drugs 130
Total Number of Experimental Drugs 6354
Total Number of Illicit Drugs 204
Total Number of Withdrawn Drugs 260
Total Number of Drugs 13491
 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 weeks ago

Second "thing",

there is no cure for the virus and no vaccine,

so how are they going to plunge us into coronavirus hell by with holding anything?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    2 weeks ago

That is an insane amount of drugs made there and they use it to control us. Also, that is business taken away from America. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
3.1.2  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    2 weeks ago
there is no cure for the virus and no vaccine,

At this time.

so how are they going to plunge us into coronavirus hell by with holding anything?

How about withholding any possible components of drugs?  How about withholding other common drugs which in turn could help overwhelm our system with people suffering from other diseases in addition to the COVID19?

It would not take too much considering what they control.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
3.1.3  The People's Fish  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Wuhan flu wake up call. No more dependence on the Chicoms!  Pelosi, McConnell and Feinstein will have to find another foreign honey hole to loot.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.1.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    2 weeks ago
o how are they going to plunge us into coronavirus hell by with holding anything?

Well seeing they were dealing with COV-19 why'll are triggered TDS sufferers were playing the impeachment game I would hesitate to guess that their research on it is more advanced than ours.

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.5  Dulay  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Aren't the 'they' you are talking about PHARMA? I mean China doesn't force US PHARMA companies to manufacture produces there. PHARMA makes a profit based decision to do so, in short, capitalism. 

The way I see it, the only 'get it done now solution', is that we should have 'emergency' supplies of important medications and medical supplies stockpiled. We should rotate those medications and supplies based on their expiration date, to VA and Medicare/aid providers and restock. If they can stockpile ammo, they can stockpile antivirals, ventilators and PPE. It's a national security mandate. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
3.1.6  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  The People's Fish @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

There’s always Russia! 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Well the first thing to do is revise the laws determining the expiration dates of drugs and stop hospitals and pharmacies from destroying perfectly good drugs because of a tiny arbitrary date on a package.

As a country we destroy over a billion dollars worth of perfectly good drugs ANNUALLY while big Pharma laughs all the way to the bank.

https://www.propublica.org/article/the-myth-of-drug-expiration-dates

https://13wham.com/news/local/what-expiration-dates-on-prescription-drugs-really-mean

The FDA refuses to take on big Pharma over expiration dates.  Why? One would have to ask the current Administration.

Who determines the expiration dates, the FDA? No, the manufacturer.

The date is determined by the manufacturer who "guarantees" 100% potency by that date.

The pills aren't magically worthless the next day, the next month or even the next tear.

The manufacturers refuse to do long term testing because it would hurt their bottom line.

So the wolves control the chicken coop so to speak?

So if "everyone" is convinced that China has us at a disadvantage, change the laws and cut the demand by 50% overnight.

Seems like a win for the USA.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.8  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @3.1.2    2 weeks ago
Here’s a list of medicines made in China.
The brand name equivalent or brand name that the drugs is sold as, is in parentheses.
Aciclovir – (Zovirax) – antiviral drug
Advair – asthma medicine
Adrenaline Hcl – treatment for cardiac arrest
Albendazole – treatment for worms
Alfuzosin – (Uroxatral) treatment for enlarged prostate
Allopurinol – gout treatment
Alprazolam – (Xanax) – treatment for anxiety disorders
Amikacin sulfate – treatment for bacterial infections
Aminophyline -treatment for cerebral ischemia
Amiodarone Hydrochloride -treatment for irregular heartbeat
Amlodipine – treats high blood pressure & angina
Ampicillin – antibiotic
Amodiaquine – treatment of malaria
Amoxicillin – antibiotic
Aniracetam – (Draganon, Sarpul, Ampamet) a congnition enhancer
Artemether – treats drug resistant malaria
Artesunate – malaria treatment
Aspirin – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Artemether – treats malaria
Atenolol – high blood pressure medicine
Atropine – antidote against nerve agents
Avandia – (Avandia) treatment of diabetes
Budesonide – (Entocort) treatment of allergy & asthma
Bupropion (Wellbutrin) antidepressant
Calcifediol – treats vitamin D deficiency
Candesartan – (Blopress, Atacand, Amias, Ratacand) treats hypertension
Captopril – (Capoten, Inhibace) treatment for hypertension & congestive heart failure
Carbamazepine – treatment of epilepsy, ADD & ADHD
Carnosine – treatment for autism
Cefixime – antibiotic
Cefotaxime – (Claforan) antibiotic
Cefsulodin – also, cephalosporin – antibiotic
Cephealexin – (Keflex, Keftab) – antibiotic
Chloramphenicol – antibiotic
Chlorpheniramine Maleate – (Chlor-Trimeton, Piriton) Antihistamine
Chlorpromazine Hydrochloride
Chloroquine Phosphate – treatment of malaria
Cilexetil – (Atacand) treats high blood pressure
Cilostazole – (Pletal) treats peripheral vascular disease
Cimetidine – (Tagamet) – heartburn treatment
Ciprofloxacine – (Cipro) – antibiotic & one of two effective treatments for anthrax exposure
Clomiphene Citrate – (Clomid, Serophene, Milophene) infertility treatment
Clopidogrel Bisulfate – (Plavix) treats coronary artery disease
Co-trimoxazole – (Septrin, Bactrim) antibiotic
Cloxacillin – antibiotic
Coreg – (Coreg) beta blocker that treats congestive heart failure
Cromoglicate – treats allergies and asthma
Cyclosporine – immunosuppressive drug
Cytisine – (Tabex) smoking cessation drug
Dexamethasone Acetate – anti-inflammatory steroid
Diclofenac Sodium – (Flector patch/Voltaren) – anti-imflammatory painkiller used to treat arthritis, acute injury and menstrual pain
Diosmin – hemorrhoid treatment
Diphenhydramine hydrochloride – (Benadryl) antihistimine
Doxycycline Hcl – (Vibramycin) – antibiotic
Enalapril – (Renitec, Vasotec) treatment of hypertension, chronic heart failure
Enoxacin – (Enroxil, Penetrex) antibiotic
Erythromycin – antibiotic
Famotidine – (Pepcid) antacid
Ferrous Sulfate – treatment for iron-deficiency anemia
Flucloxacillin – (Flopen, Floxapen) antibiotic
Fluconazole – (Diflucan, Trican) antifungal drug
Furosemide – (Lasix) diuretic for treating congestive heart failure
Frusemide – diuretic used to treat heart failure & edema
Flucloxacillin sodium – antibiotic
Gentamycin – antibiotic
Glibenclamide (Diabeta, Flynase, Micronase) anti-diabetic drug
Gliclazide – diabetes treatment
Griseofulvin – antifungal drug
Glyceryl Trinitrate – treatment of angina & heart disease
Hydrochlorothiazide – (Aquazide H, Dichlotride, Microzide, Oretic) diuretic
Human growth hormone – treatment of growth failure in children
Ibuprofen – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Imitrex – (Imatrex) migraine medicine
Indomethazine – anti-inflammatory painkiller
Ketoconazole – (Nizoral) antifungal drug
Lincomycine – antibiotic
Lamictal – treatment for epilepsy & bipolar disorder
Letrozole – treatment of breast cancerLipitor – (Lipitor) lowers cholesteral
Loratadine (Claritin, Lomilan, Clarinase, Alavert, AllergyX) antihistamine
Lovastatin- lowers cholesteral
Lumefantrine – treatment of malaria
Mebendazole – (Ovex, Vermox, Antiox, Pripsen) treatment for worms
Mefenamic Acid – (Ponstel, Ponstan) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Meloxicam – (Mobic) non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory painkiller
Metamizole sodium (Analgin, Dipyrone, Novalgin) painkiller, fever-reducer
Methyldopa – (Aldomet, Dopamet, Novomedopa) antihypertension drug
Metoclopramide – (Maxolon, Reglan, Degan, Maxeran, Primeran) anti-nausea drug
Metronidazole – treats infections
Moexipril – (Univasc) treatment of high blood pressure
Mycophenolate Mofetil – Immunosuppressive drug
Niclosamide – treats tapeworms
Nifedipine (Adalat, Nifedical, Procardia) treats hypertension, premature labor
Nitroglycerin – (Nitrospan, Nitrostat, Tridil) heart medication
Norfloxacin – antibiotic
Ofloxacin – (Floxin) antibiotic
Ondansetron – (Zofran) – nausea prevention for chemo patients
Orlistat – (Xenical) – obesity treatment
Oxandrolone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxybutinin – treatment for incontinence
Oxymetholone – Synthetic anabolic steroid
Oxytetracycline – antibiotic
Paclitaxel – also taxol – cancer treatment
Paracetamol – also, acetaminophen – painkiller
Penicillin – antibiotic
Phenacetin – painkiller
Phenformin Hydrochloride – diabetes treatment
Prednisone – steroid
Promethazine Hydrochloride – (Phenergan, Romergan, Fargan, Avomine) antihistamine
Propranolol – (Inderal, Avlocardyl, Dociton, Inderalici, InnoPran XL) hypertension treatment
Pyrimethamine – (Daraprim) antimalarial drug
Propecia – (Propecia) for prostate enlargement and hair loss
Quinine – malaria treatment
Ramipril – used to treat hypertension and congestive heart failure
Ranitidine Hydrochloride – (Zantac) antacid
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere, Vilona, Virazole) anti-viral drug
Rifampicin+Isoniazid – malaria treatment
Ribavirin – (Copegus, Rebetol, Ribashere) antivirual drug
Rifampicin – antibiotic
Salbutamol – asthma, copd
Sibutramine – (Meridia) obesity treatment
Spironolactone – (Aldactone, Novo-Spiroton, Verospiron, Berlactone) diuretic
Streptomycin – antibiotic
Sucralfate – (Carafate) – treats ulcers & acid reflux disease
Sulfadiazine – antibiotic
Sulfamethoxazole – antibiotic
Sulfadoxine&Pyrimethamine – treatment for malaria
Sulpiride – (Meresa, Sulpirid Ratiopharm) treatment of schizophrenia
Tamoxifen – breast cancer treatment
Tinidazole – (Tindamax, Fasigyn) anti-parasitic drug
Trandolapril – treatment of high blood pressure
Trimethoprim – antibiotic
Valaciclovir – (Valtrex) antiviral drug

https://www.africanamerica.org/topic/check-out-this-list-of-drugs-manufactured-in-unregulated-or-inspected-china

Not many considering how many drugs there are ( over 11,000)

 
 
 
Dulay
3.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    2 weeks ago
Well the first thing to do is revise the laws determining the expiration dates of drugs and stop hospitals and pharmacies from destroying perfectly good drugs because of a tiny arbitrary date on a package.

The FDA has an emergency statute for that and it includes the medicines in the Strategic National Stockpile. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Dulay @3.1.9    2 weeks ago

My understanding is that it only applies to government facilities like the VA and military hospital which have been tinkering with this since 1985.

 To save money on regularly replacing its drug stockpile, in 1985 the US Air Force asked the FDA to test some products. Since then, the FDA has found that 90% of over 100 prescription and over-the-counter drugs tested could be used safely past their expiration date, a Pentagon spokesman told the Associated Press, adding that the dates tended to be very conservative. Products were tested by either the manufacturer or the FDA, but always with agency supervision.

In 1998, the military spent $664,000 to have drugs tested and saved $49.3 million by not buying replacements, the spokesman said. The military spends about $1.2 billion on prescription and OTC drugs a year, for military personnel, their families, retirees and others as part of its health care program.

Manufacturers put expiration dates on for marketing rather than scientific reasons, Francis Flaherty, ex-director of the FDA military drug testing program, told the Wall Street Journal; it is not profitable to have drugs on a shelf for 10 years. But Thomas McGinnis, the FDA's director of pharmacy affairs, stressed that military storage conditions differ greatly from those in consumers' homes. Unlike prescription drugs in home medicine cabinets, the military stockpile remains sealed in the manufacturer's original packaging. 

https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/fda-tests-let-military-use-expired-drugs

It seems grossly unfair to the average citizen to have two separate sets of rules.

 
 
 
cjcold
3.1.12  cjcold  replied to  KDMichigan @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

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Ronin2
3.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

You will need to change the laws even further to protect Pharma then if you want to push drugs past the the 100% effective date. Pharma puts the expiration date well within the true expiration to avoid law suits; and keep their insurance rates down. 

Want to use a drug at anything below the 100% effective rate; then the company that manufactured the drug cannot be held accountable for the results.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
3.1.14  gooseisgone  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.7    one week ago
One would have to ask the current Administration.

You mean "every" administrations for close to 20 years if not more, this is not a new thing. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  gooseisgone @3.1.14    one week ago

Like I also said, there is a two tier system in place where the military can ignore the expiration dates in order to save big bucks.  This dates back to 1985.

Forgive me if I insist that this is the only Administration who can change that.

It only takes half the Senate to block any changes that big Pharma and their lobbyists don't agree to.

There's a reason reform is always stymied, but right now, right here, is this Administration's chance to fix something.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.13    one week ago

All Trump need do is order the FDA to suspend the rules which require expired products to be disposed of

by hospitals, clinics, pharmacies and doctor's offices.  Easy.  Sign an EO

and by pass the Senate which is owned by big Pharma lobbyists.

Let them sue.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.16    one week ago

100% right!

 
 
 
The People's Fish
3.1.19  The People's Fish  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.16    one week ago

The FDA is already suspending the rules on various products. It would have been kind of cool though if you were the first to think of that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3    2 weeks ago
The Chinese control the manufacture of about 150 medicinal drugs.  Out of over 11,000 approved drugs.

Oh, the total drug?  Talk about misleading!

How about the ingredients?

Here:

" While the Department of Defense only purchases a small quantity of finished pharmaceuticals from China, about 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used to make drugs in the United States are  said  to come from China and other countries like India."

https://www.cfr.org/blog/us-dependence-pharmaceutical-products-china

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2    2 weeks ago
Talk about misleading!

"80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients (APIs) used to make drugs in the United States are  said  to come from China and other countries like India."

Can you be more specific about the breakdown?

Are the ingredients ONLY available from China, or is that just where they are the cheapest?

Remember, capitalism created this mess and capitalism can fix it.

It's just going to cost you a bit more.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    2 weeks ago
Remember, capitalism created this mess and capitalism can fix it.

Bad trade deals created the mess and fair trade can fix it. A state controlled economy like China's can simply order ingredients to be sold at cost or even less than cost, which is hardly a free market.


Can you be more specific about the breakdown?

No, I think I made the point I wanted to make.

 
 
 
The People's Fish
4  The People's Fish    2 weeks ago

The administration has already taken executive action on this front but it needs to become law as it's a national security issue.  We cannot rely on the Chicoms for essential medical supplies or pharmaceuticals. They are not our friends and they never will be.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  The People's Fish @4    2 weeks ago

It is a national security issue. If they want to be vindictive, they could cut any of these drugs and Americans will fall, victim. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.2  Dulay  replied to  The People's Fish @4    2 weeks ago

What Executive action have they taken? 

 
 
 
Dulay
5  Dulay    2 weeks ago

I would LOVE to see this 'plan' that mandates where PHARMA can and cannot produce their patented produces. After all, if I'm going to alert my Representatives, I should be able to point them to a 'plan' right? 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dulay @5    2 weeks ago
I'm going to alert my Representatives

I'm glad you said that. The problem is that most people don't write. 

 
 
 
Donald J. Trump Fan #1
5.1.1  Donald J. Trump Fan #1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.1    2 weeks ago

Particularly in the House majority.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
5.2  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @5    2 weeks ago
I would LOVE to see this 'plan' that mandates where PHARMA can and cannot produce their patented produces.

An easy way is to mandate that only pharmaceuticals manufactured under direct supervision of FDA/USDA inspectors be permitted into this country.   

Another way would be as they did when drugs were manufactured in Puerto Rico.  Provide tax breaks and incentives to manufacture here.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
5.2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    2 weeks ago
Another way would be as they did when drugs were manufactured in Puerto Rico.  Provide tax breaks and incentives to manufacture here.

Great idea!

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.2  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @5.2    2 weeks ago
An easy way is to mandate that only pharmaceuticals manufactured under direct supervision of FDA/USDA inspectors be permitted into this country.   

Is that in the plan that the Republican Senators are proposing? 

BTW, the FDA and USDA enforcement would have to crank up. 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/exclusive-fda-enforcement-actions-plummet-under-trump

Trump's deregulation has about gutted USDA. 

Another way would be as they did when drugs were manufactured in Puerto Rico.  Provide tax breaks and incentives to manufacture here.

Well that would be great for Puerto Rico but I have to wonder whether they have the employee base after the 'brain drain' because of the hurricane. Maybe it would encourage PRs to go back home. However, it would still take quite a while to gear back up and they would still need critical ingredients from China, just as India does. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6  sandy-2021492    2 weeks ago

Agreed.

I remember one of the reasons it was illegal (but not often enforced) to buy prescription meds in Canada or Mexico was the supposed lack of quality control for medications produced outside of our borders.  Frankly, I'm not too worried about quality control in Canada.

But we've had known issues with medications made in China.  Have they ever actually resolved the issues with Losartan, Valsartan, etc., containing carcinogens?  Or did we just shrug our shoulders and keep taking them?  I honestly don't know, as I don't take blood pressure meds.

Manufacture medications here, where we can have oversight.  It's safer, both for patients and our security as a nation, and it would employ US workers.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
6.1  KDMichigan  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6    2 weeks ago

I can no longer get losartan, I was on it, I now take two pills to make up for it..

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1    2 weeks ago

I still see it on some of my patients' medication lists.  I honestly don't know whether the issue has been resolved, or if they're only still on it because they either couldn't find or couldn't tolerate another medication, but I'm concerned for them.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.2  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  KDMichigan @6.1    2 weeks ago
I can no longer get losartan, I was on it, I now take two pills to make up for it..

Really?   Is it the 'supplier' or insurance company?  If the 'supplier, try Walmart.  I know they carry it as that's where I get it.

I have no problem getting it.  I "was" using losinipril (sp?) until I developed that cough many experience.  Now, I'm using low dose Losartan and Amlodipine.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
6.1.3  FLYNAVY1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

If they are veterans... Tell them to get as many of their medications through the VA...… It will drop their costs significantly!!!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

My dad is a vet.  He had a terrible time getting his meds covered at the VA.

And in WV, there's a trust issue with the VA.  Google Clarksburg, WV VA.  They've had a murderer on staff.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
6.1.5  FLYNAVY1  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6.1.4    one week ago

Wow.... When my parents were in there senior years, (both were WWII vets)  they found getting their meds covered through the Topeka VA easy, and very cost effective.

I think that supports that VA services are spotty across the US.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.1.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.1.5    one week ago

Yeah.  Dad has diabetes.  When he tried to get his metformin covered through the VA, they made it sound like he'd self-diagnosed.  That all came from asking his doctor if the numbness in his right hand was diabetic neuropathy after he'd been told he was prediabetic.  The doctor told him that since it wasn't bilateral, it was most likely due to years of baseball, softball, golf, and a tough physical job.  So when he was diagnosed with diabetes, they decided from the doctor's notes that the diagnosis came from him, rather than his doctor.  Never mind his blood glucose and A1C indicated diabetes.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.2  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  sandy-2021492 @6    2 weeks ago
I remember one of the reasons it was illegal (but not often enforced) to buy prescription meds in Canada or Mexico was the supposed lack of quality control for medications produced outside of our borders.  Frankly, I'm not too worried about quality control in Canada.

Frankly, you should be.

There are a number of web sites that tout drugs you can get in Canada, and have them shipped to your American door.  I don't recall the exact one any longer, but one had the drug names, brand and generic, pricing and COUNTRY of origin.   The countries of origin included, China, Ireland, Malaysia, England and a couple of others, but I didn't notice any made in Canada.

As to "issues" with Chinese made products, besides the drugs, don't forget lead painted toys, dog foods containing poison, defective wall board essentially containing mold and any number of other issues.

And we trust them with medicine why?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
6.2.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    2 weeks ago

WV has recently organized bus trips for people to go to Canada to buy insulin.  I don't know that it's made in Canada, but wherever it's made, it's cheaper than US prices.

I also remember the baby formula with melamine.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7  The Magic Eight Ball    2 weeks ago
We Must End Our Medical Dependence On China

this virus highlights another reason "globalism" and the "free movement of people" is a super fuking bad idea.


meanwhile...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8110163/Mexico-wants-close-border-Americans-stop-spread-coronavirus.html

 mexico is racist now ?    LOL 

for the most dense among us:  that was  rhetorical / sarcasm

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.1  FLYNAVY1  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7    2 weeks ago

And they'll get us to pay for a wall......

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1    2 weeks ago

 would rather pay for that wall than let illegal trafficking continue

do you support illegal trafficking?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.1.2  FLYNAVY1  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @7.1.1    one week ago

I support more cost effective methods to stop illegal trafficking than the fucking wall you bought hook line and sinker. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
7.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1.2    one week ago
I support more cost effective methods to stop illegal trafficking than

ya mean like they did for the past 20 yrs?    guess what, it didn't work.

security is about "layers"    and every layer helps including the wall being built.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    2 weeks ago

People talk about "ramping up" production of this or that item in an emergency. We can't do that if the bulk of manufacturing facilities are torn down and transferred to other countries.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
8.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Tacos! @8    2 weeks ago
We can't do that if the bulk of manufacturing facilities are torn down and transferred to other countries

the joys of globalism.  making countries "dependent on each other was the goal.   the politicians of the last 40yrs have been selling us out piece by piece.  the good news is biden was part of that problem and everyone knows it.   he can't win.

this event will help bring back nationalism and create many jobs.

we should be producing everything we "need.  soon we will be.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9  Steve Ott    2 weeks ago

I thought republicans hated socialism? Or do they hate it when it only comes from the mouth of a Bernie Sanders?

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9    2 weeks ago

Bringing drug manufacturing back to the USA from a communist country is now socialism?

Interesting theory ......

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.1  Steve Ott  replied to  Sparty On @9.1    2 weeks ago
Bringing drug manufacturing back

How you going to bring it back? Mandate it? Give them money? Either way you do it, if it isn't socialism, it sure isn't capitalism.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

I don’t think you know what socialism really is.    

You won’t see complete collective or governmental control of our Pharmaceutical industry in the US in my lifetime, if ever.

Thats the point.

 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.3  Steve Ott  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.2    2 weeks ago

So only partial collective/governmental control is what? Again, it sure isn't capitalism.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

What is total private ownership and control?   It sure isn't socialism.

That said, what exactly do you figure the collective/government is controlling in this case?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.5  seeder  XDm9mm  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.1    2 weeks ago
How you going to bring it back? Mandate it? Give them money?

Make it an economically viable alternative to making them in China.  Alternatively, regulate them such that they would be unable to comply with the regulations by manufacturing in China.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.6  Steve Ott  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.5    2 weeks ago
regulate them such that they would be unable to comply with the regulations by manufacturing in China.

I thought the right detested regulation. They sure do when the left wants to regulate something.

Or is regulation ok when it is a matter of 'national security'? And in what way do you make it economically viable? Tax breaks, subsidies? Either way, you are taking money from someone to give it to someone else.

Remember the socialist creed, not by ability but by need? That is exactly what this is.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.7  Steve Ott  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

Are the government considering nationalizing the industry? That's socialist. For anything else, see my reply 9.1.6  

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.8  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.7    2 weeks ago
Are the government considering nationalizing the industry?

Lol .... considering?     Really?    That’s your justification?    Hilarious!  

That said, give me a call if it ever happens.

For anything else see my reply 9.1.8

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.9  Steve Ott  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.8    2 weeks ago
For anything else see my reply 9.1.8

Caught in a loop are you? Consider a reboot.

But really, neither of you have answered my question. Why is it so difficult to answer? Because you both know that this idea of forcing companies to manufacture in America is socialistic. If not socialistic, you have yet to tell me how it is capitalistic. So, you got any answers, or you just want to keep playing the 'no I'm not you are' game? Because, I don't play that game. I got over it about 60 years ago.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.10  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.9    2 weeks ago
Because you both know that this idea of forcing companies to manufacture in America is socialistic

and that? is complete bs. using tax incentives to get companies back on our shores is not force.

but to be fair... please explain,  what is socialism to you?

if you need help?

a political and economic system of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.   (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism.

 

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.11  Steve Ott  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.10    2 weeks ago
tax incentives

So where does the money come from? It comes from me and you and it is given to someone else. It is distributive, which fits in just fine to your definition above.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
9.1.12  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.11    2 weeks ago
which fits in just fine to your definition above.

bs.

taxation and spending is not socialism

when the govt nationalizes the means of production  (aka business) for "the people" to control... get back to me.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.13  Steve Ott  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @9.1.12    one week ago

of course taxation is socialism, or even better yet, just plain theft.

I produce, they take and distribute it to their cronies.

What do you want to call it? Give me a word. Any word.

Do I really own my house? Even when the mortgage is paid, there is still a mortgage to be paid, we just call it property tax. And if I don't pay the property tax, they come and take my property. It is still an unjust taking. My property gets taken because I am not contributing to the social need. It's all BS and a lie.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.14  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.9    one week ago
Because you both know that this idea of forcing companies to manufacture in America is socialistic.

Lol .... like I’ve already said here at least once, when that actually happens you may have a minor point.    Problem is, an “idea” means exactly jackshit until it comes to fruition.

So until that happens, if it ever happens, and just one company is actually really nationalized, you are just pissing in the wind.

 
 
 
Steve Ott
9.1.15  Steve Ott  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.14    one week ago
regulate them such that they would be unable to comply with the regulations by manufacturing in China.

So you're saying that the above is not nationlization? A minor distinction of no consequence.

Of course, none of this has happened, yet. But if it did, what would it be? Neither of you will answer the question, so I can only presume you actually have no answer. Farewell and be safe. Remember to wash your hands.

 
 
 
Sparty On
9.1.16  Sparty On  replied to  Steve Ott @9.1.15    one week ago

Of course that’s what I’m saying.    

If and when the Fed takes over the companies and there is no more private control, then you would have a point.    A private company “choosing” to bring manufacturing back to the states is not nationalization.    The Fed can suggest that but that doesn’t make it socialism.    Not while the company is still privately owned and controlled.

Again, a basic understanding of what socialism actually is necessary here.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

I have a feeling that this is payback for Trump's tariffs.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11  Buzz of the Orient    2 weeks ago

This quotation at the top of the page is nothing more than an intentional twisting of statements cherry-picked out of the original article from Xinhua creating misinformation intended to create hatred.  

"Earlier this week the Chinese Communist Party threatened to withhold pharmaceutical products and ingredients from the United States. In other words, they threatened to kill Americans."

In the original article, the word "if" was intentionally ignored, denials were intentionally ignored, statements that China has never done such things, and will continue to send masks and other products to assist the USA in its battle with the virus were intentionally ignored, in order to create the hate-mongering quotation.

Here is a translation of the article from Xinhua that is the basis for this seed.  The bolding and underlining is mine. See for yourself the effect of using the word "if", and other words and phrases like those I have bolded, which have been deliberately ignored or twisted by the author of the article above: 

Today, another state declared a state of emergency in the United States, Florida declared a public health emergency, the Florida governor's office announced that the state has found two people for the new coronary pneumonia inferdal confirmed cases, need to wait for further confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the two are currently receiving isolation treatment. This is the United States after California, Washington State, the united States declared a state of emergency, it can be seen that the new coronary pneumonia outbreak in the United States has shown signs of sparking, and following yesterday's announcement of the first case of new coronary pneumonia deaths in the United States, today there has been another new crown pneumonia deaths, a total of two deaths. Paradoxically, however, the U.S. is now going to confirm a new case of coronary pneumonia, which also needs the Cdc's final review, which is why Florida is very dissatisfied, although the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not yet finally confirmed that Florida itself declared a state of emergency.

It is clear that the real new coronapneumonia outbreak in the United States is grossly underestimated because, as mentioned above, all confirmed cases must be determined by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has made the U.S. data questionable around the world.

As the outbreak of new U.S. crown pneumonia is getting worse, Trump also continues to come out blowing out, so that the American people do not panic, but the reality is that Trump is also very anxious, responsible for the prevention and control of the new corona pneumonia outbreak U.S. Vice President Mike Pence is more nervous, in the White House office to pray that the new coronapneumonia outbreak as soon as possible.

By this time, Mr. Trump had made a big shift, beginning to praise China. At a press conference the day before, a U.S. reporter asked Mr. Trump, "Will the U.S. government consider taking steps similar to China's if the new U.S. pneumonia outbreak worsens?" "

Mr. Trump immediately said he would take some measures to control the new crown pneumonia, and said that China has made great progress, you can see Starbucks re-opened in China, Apple has fully resumed production in China, China's new crown pneumonia prevention and control has indeed made great progress.

It is clear that Mr. Trump's remarks are heartfelt, and because of the shift in roles, china's significant progress in controlling the new crown pneumonia, while the United States is in the throes of a storm, more and more states are declaring a state of emergency, the United States is in dire need of medical supplies, and an out-of-control outbreak of new coronapneumonia is almost inevitable.

U.S. stock markets have plummeted, falling more than 12 percent in just one week, following the collapse of the U.S. subprime crisis, leaving Mr. Trump sitting on the back of a stake, and once the U.S. stock market continues to plunge, it will not only affect the U.S. economy, but also Mr. Trump's re-election, once the outbreak of new pneumonia continues to spread. The challenge for Mr. Trump's presidency is growing.

If this is the time when China announces restrictions on Americans or people who have been to the U.S., and a ban on Chinese to the U.S., effectively imposing a travel ban on the U.S., the U.S. economy will take a big hit and the U.S. stock market will plunge, but China has not done so.

And you know, when the outbreak of new corona pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China, the Trump administration was the first to announce the return of Americans from Wuhan, China, leading to other countries to follow suit, making China very passive.

More than that, the U.S. government has also announced restrictions on the entry of foreigners from Chinese and China, effectively by indirectly declaring a travel ban on China, leaving the rest of the world in an isolated situation against China, which has had a big economic impact on China.

These practices in the United States are very unkind, can be said to be in the downfall, while people are sick and killed, and now China's new coronary pneumonia outbreak has been brought under control, in addition to Wuhan, other places to new confirmed cases of single digits, but the United States of America's new coronary pneumonia outbreak is getting worse.

If China retaliates against the U.S. at this point, and in addition to announcing a travel ban on the U.S., it has announced strategic controls on medical products and a ban on u.S. exports, the U.S. will be caught in a sea of new crown viruses.

According to cdc officials, most of the U.S. masks are made in China and imported from China, and if China bans the export of masks to the U.S., the U.S. will fall into a mask shortage, and the most basic measures to prevent the new coronavirus cannot be done.

Also according to cdc officials, the vast majority of Drugs in the United States are imported, some of which are imported from Europe, but Europe has placed production sites for these drugs in China, so more than 90 percent of U.S. drugs imported are related to China. By implication, the U.S. will be plunged into the hell of a new corona pneumonia outbreak as long as China announces that its drugs are as satisfying as possible and exports are banned.

However, there is great love in the world, Chinese people and the Chinese government has never done so, did not fall into the United States, not to ban masks and drugs exported to the United States, with China's new corona pneumonia epidemic gradually controlled, China's masks, drugs export capacity will be greatly enhanced, and the United States is one of the demand side. U.S. government officials, such as Commerce Secretary Ross, U.S. Secretary of State Pompeo, White House economic adviser Navarro, and others, openly expressed their delight at China's new coronal pneumonia outbreak, saying that the outbreak of china's new coronal pneumonia is good for the United States, conducive to the return of businesses to the United States, and called on companies around the world to consider the risks of China's supply chain. Even the infamous Wall Street Journal published a long-lost article, "China is a real patient in Asia," and the New York Times published a public article denouncing Wuhan, China, as an infringement of human rights. The United States this kind of underground stone culture, it is really distasteful, and now feng shui turns, the United States has become the victim of the new corona pneumonia outbreak, this time China did not fall underground, did not condemn the United States, this time the United States, more should apologize to China for all the previous misdeeds.

During this time, there is a voice deliberately in the hype, said that China owes the world an apology, which is very absurd, China in order to fight the outbreak of new coronary pneumonia, made a huge sacrifice, paid a huge economic cost, cut off the transmission of the new coronavirus, no country in this new coronapneumonia outbreak made such a big sacrifice and pay.

Moreover, according to Zhong Nanshan academician's research, although the outbreak of new coronary pneumonia in China, but the source is not necessarily in China. Many studies now point to the possibility that the source of the new coronavirus may have come from other countries, as illustrated by the many confirmed cases of new coronary pneumonia in countries such as the United States, Italy and Iran with no history of Exposure to Asia, so there is no reason for China to apologize.

Now we should rightly say that the United States owes China an apology, the world owes China a thank you, without China's great sacrifice and pay, it is impossible for the world to win a valuable time window to fight the outbreak of new crown pneumonia, it can be said that China's own efforts, hard will be the new corona pneumonia outbreak blocked for a long time, It's really a shock, a cry!

So where is the threat of banning the sale of drugs and masks?  Where is the desire to kill Americans?

 
 
 
Cathar
12  Cathar    one week ago

We must end our dependence on GOP talking points and BS.

 
 
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