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Antifa's white privilege

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  the-peoples-fish-still-hand-of-the-queen  •  4 years ago  •  168 comments

By:   drdominicgreen (Spectator USA)

Antifa's white privilege
The white people of antifa are again making it all about themselves and their problems, and violently stamping that drama on the lives of black people

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Even in a riot, the races aren't equal


There is no right to burn down your neighborhood, but it’s always an option. Freedom means choice, and real freedom must include the choice of self-destruction — but not destroying someone else’s neighborhood. Especially not when the neighborhood is mostly black and poor. That is what the privileged whites of antifa are doing by instigating disorder and destruction in Minneapolis’s 3rd precinct and elsewhere. Cost-free kicks at black people’s expense: the height of white privilege.

Race is the American sickness , and though everyone is sick of it, no one has the cure. The murder of George Floyd and the fact that it took riots before his killer was charged, confirms, should anyone still need confirmation, that Americans are still not equal before the law. Don military fatigues and storm the Michigan statehouse, and the police will recognize you as a fellow patriot. Pass a counterfeit bill while black, however, and no law can protect you from the law.

The laws that antifa learn to despise in their four-year colleges guarantee their racial privilege. If you’re black and angry enough to burn down banks and stores in your black neighborhood, tomorrow you’ll have to live in the ruins. If you’re white and you burn down banks and stores in someone else’s neighborhood, tomorrow you’ll be back in white world: fixing bikes or brewing espresso, waiting for The Man to cancel your student loans, living in a historic urban neighborhood whose historic black population you and your white friends have gentrified out of sight.

This isn’t the first time masked gangs of property-holding whites have stormed into black neighborhoods and smashed the place up to show they are above the law. They used to do it to preserve their racial privilege, to exclude blacks from exercising their rights of participation. Now they do it in the name of the racially underprivileged. Either way, they never asked for an invitation. They don’t have to, do they? They’re white and they know their rights.

Excuse the profanity, but there really are such things as ‘intersectionality’ and ‘white privilege’. Not in the Marxist cant that antifa learn in grad school, a European ideology that shows how the radical white left, like the racist white nationalists, are clinging to their privileges as hereditary Europeans. There is no need for these ideological contortions: like the mind of a grad student, they’re luxury products. The


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Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

Must be nice to be antifa, commit heinous crimes and then joe Biden’s staff pays to get you out of jail.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    4 years ago

Proof?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.2  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    4 years ago

Here's another source if you don't like 2.1.1 .

At least 13 members of   Joe Biden ’s campaign staff have made donations to a group that helps   Minneapolis   protesters get out of jail on bail, according to a report. The staffers posted on Twitter that they contributed money to a group called the   Minnesota   Freedom Fund, which opposes the practice of making people who are arrested pay money to avoid pre-trial imprisonment, Reuters reported.

Or ...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.2    4 years ago

I was asking for proof that they were Antifa. There is none. I do know how to google, too. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.4  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.3    4 years ago

Comment 2 contained two parts. Your comment 2.1 simply asked, "Proof?".

In my comment 2.1.2,  I gave you three sources to support the second part of comment 2 which stated:

and then joe Biden’s staff pays to get you out of jail
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I do know how to google, too.

I've never said you didn't.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.4    4 years ago

OK so there was a misunderstanding there, but there are a lot of claims out there about who is responsible for the violence. Truth is we really don't know yet, yet there are a whole lot of claims that we do. I am hoping that we get to the bottom of this. 

As for some staffers doing something, is a big nothing burger. There is no way to control the actions of individuals. We all know this. 

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.6  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.5    4 years ago

Now some protests have spread to the UK.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @2.1.7    4 years ago
There is no question about who is responsible for the violence and rioting/looting/arson.  The lowlife scumbag thugs that perpetrated the acts.  There is plenty of video footage of the perpetrators.  Put all of that facial recognition technology law enforcement has on a local/state/federal level to good use and identify them, then find them, arrest them, prosecute them and incarcerate them.  Period end of story.

I do not disagree. 

The only "question" is were there professional agitators goading the criminals on.  If there was, which sane rational people acknowledge there was, identify them, find them, arrest, prosecute and incarcerate them.

Again, I do not disagree. 

But, be that as it may, the ones responsible are the ones who committed the violence.  Others can be charged for inciting.

Again, we agree. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @2.1.6    4 years ago
Now some protests have spread to the UK.

Why?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.5    4 years ago
OK benefit of the doubt granted,

Although I made the intent of comment 2.1.2 very clear, thank you.

but there are a lot of claims out there about who is responsible for the violence. Truth is we really don't know yet, yet there are a whole lot of claims that we do.

Yes, there are. That's why I comment with facts and never with speculation. 

I am hoping that we get to the bottom of this.

As do I. There are many layers to this onion. Far too many people quickly lost focus and have forgotten that we, as a people, were in unanimous agreement and horror regarding Mr. Floyd's needless death and the policemen who caused it. Peaceful protests are protected rights, but they've quickly become riots.

Whoever/whatever is behind the rioting, violence, looting, and arson must face serious charges of domestic terrorism, IMO.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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2.1.11  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1    4 years ago

It's common knowledge and wisdom PH...where ya been?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.10    4 years ago
Whoever/whatever is behind the rioting, violence, looting, and arson must face serious charges of domestic terrorism, IMO.

I agree. I have never said otherwise. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.11    4 years ago
It's common knowledge and wisdom PH...where ya been?

What is? What do you mean where have I been?

 
 
 
Ender
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2.1.15  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.9    4 years ago
Protesters in London, Cardiff and Manchester gathered on Sunday in solidarity with demonstrations in the United States that were sparked by the death of   George Floyd .

In   London , demonstrators first gathered in Trafalgar Square, chanting “No justice, no peace”. What appeared to be many thousands then made their way through Whitehall past Downing Street and the Houses of Parliament, then over the Thames to the enormous and moated US embassy at Nine Elms in Battersea.

Defying the ban on mass public gatherings because of the coronavirus lockdown, the demonstrators held cardboard placards reading Justice for   George Floyd , Black Lives Matter, White Silence is Compliance and Rest in Power.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.16  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  dennis smith @2.1.13    4 years ago
Mayors of the large cities have seen this rioting, burning, looting, throwing bricks at police etc, during similar past protests have not developed plans to prevent it in the future, yet they wont allow people to go to church.

Dennis that is a hodgepodge of different issues. There have been many unjustifiable deaths at police hands in recent times, none of which resulted in this. And it's just spreading. 

Letting people in church has to do with a pandemic. It has nada to do with this. 

They do however allow protesters to gather in groups of hundreds/thousands knowing that they protests will turn to rioting etc. 

Allow? Kind of looked like to me, that these events just happened. No one just allowed it.  And yes frankly I am concerned about the consequences of people gathering like this. 

The mayors are responsible and need to be held so no matter which political party they are part of.

The mayors are responsible if they didn't do their due diligence and yes no matter which party they are a part of. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.17  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ender @2.1.15    4 years ago

Oh brother. I think people are just getting stir crazy. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.18  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.12    4 years ago
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Ender
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2.1.19  Ender  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.17    4 years ago

Yeah. I check on people over there through Instagram and the like. A lot of people over there are talking about it.

They are even having workshops and programs about racism.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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2.1.20  A. Macarthur  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.2    4 years ago

SOURCES: BOTS & BREITBART, Flipboard  is a  news aggregator  and  social network aggregation

Biden campaign spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement to Reuters that the former vice president opposes the institution of cash bail as a “modern day debtors prison.”

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.21  Jasper2529  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.16    4 years ago
Allow? Kind of looked like to me, that these events just happened. No one just allowed it.  And yes frankly I am concerned about the consequences of people gathering like this. 

I don't believe that these events "just happened". How did peaceful demonstrating and protesting in Minneapolis, LA, San Fran, Newark NJ, Portland, Chicago, NYC, Philly, Detroit, and so many other cities suddenly ALL turn into riots comprised of thousands of anarchists, arsonists, and looters every night this past week? Peaceful protesters don't destroy others' lives and properties.

The mayors are responsible if they didn't do their due diligence and yes no matter which party they are a part of. 

Governors are also responsible. They and their mayors in the affected states and cities have allowed chaos. They relinquished control, because they're afraid of the anarchists. The question is ... WHY?

Domestic terrorists have successfully removed our united focus toward George Floyd's  murder and refocused (some) of the public to their doctrines. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't paid attention, didn't notice the lack of police presence, and hasn't watched innocent people's hopes and dreams go up in flames.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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2.1.22  Jasper2529  replied to  A. Macarthur @2.1.20    4 years ago

That's nice. I don't care what Andrew Bates says about Biden; of course Bates is going to protect/defend him. Bates calls those who were arrested "protesters". Newsflash to Bates: peaceful protesters don't get arrested and don't need bail money!

Please look at the MSN link. There's no mention of bots on that one.

"It is up to everyone to fight injustice," Colleen May, who identified herself as an campaign organizer for Biden in South Carolina, Wisconsin and Florida, said in a Twitter post that included an image of her receipt from donating $50 to the Minnesota Freedom Fund.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.1.23  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.21    4 years ago
I don't believe that these events "just happened". How did peaceful demonstrating and protesting in Minneapolis, LA, San Fran, Newark NJ, Portland, Chicago, NYC, Philly, Detroit, and so many other cities suddenly ALL turn into riots comprised of thousands of anarchists, arsonists, and looters every night this past week? Peaceful protesters don't destroy others' lives and properties.

You are implying that the police KNEW that there were going to be anarchists in the crowd and that protests were going to just pop up as they did across America and now I found out even in England. No one has a magic ball to look at and know. 

Governors are also responsible. They and their mayors in the affected states and cities have allowed chaos. They relinquished control, because they're afraid of the anarchists. The question is ... WHY?

Because mixed in with the anarchists were just regular people protesting, which is their right. 

You should watch the video I just posted and get an idea of what is actually going on:

Domestic terrorists have successfully removed our united focus toward George Floyd's  murder and refocused (some) of the public to their doctrines.

That is true. But I want to know exactly who those people are and charge them with incitement. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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2.1.24  A. Macarthur  replied to  Jasper2529 @2.1.4    4 years ago

Sources matter.

fox news

townhall - Townhall.com features commentary by various conservative columnists and guest commentary by politicians. [7]  Guest contributors have included  Eric Trump Donald Trump Jr ., and  Lara Trump .

As for who pays legal fees for whom … and for what …

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.25  XXJefferson51  replied to  A. Macarthur @2.1.24    4 years ago

Fox News and Town Hall are great sources to be highly commended 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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2.1.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @2.1.6    4 years ago

Australia is also protesting and other countries also are having protests for other causes.

 
 
 
Pedro
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2.1.27  Pedro  replied to    4 years ago

Actually, it is the heinous crime part that needs clarification.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    4 years ago

Where is the proof that any of these protesters are anti-fa?

 
 
 
squiggy
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3.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @3    4 years ago

Anti-society if it makes you happy - they carry the same torch.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.2.1    4 years ago

By the 'right' wing.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.2    4 years ago

no proof?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.3    4 years ago

I'll offer you as much proof as BF ever has.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @3.2    4 years ago
'Anti-society if it makes you happy - they carry the same torch.'

That would be all tRump supporters.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.4    4 years ago

ah, I see now. you have none to support your wild guesses

 
 
 
lib50
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3.2.7  lib50  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.6    4 years ago

Sounds like she is supporting her position the same way the right does.  What is it about conservatives that make them think they aren't subject to the same standards they expect others to provide?  Just like liking Trump's nastiness as 'telling it like it is', but when its incoming they whine and tattle.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  lib50 @3.2.7    4 years ago

laughable nonsense, except I know you are a true believer, which just makes it rather sad.  

btw, nice deflection!!!

someone is going to be very proud of you!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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3.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  dennis smith @3.2.9    4 years ago

not enough schooling, perhaps?

 
 
 
Pedro
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3.2.11  Pedro  replied to  lib50 @3.2.7    4 years ago

Yep.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @3    4 years ago

Probably BLM and Antifa both. Appears to be a lotta young white liberals and anarcists in the latter category.

Got proof any white sups are involved?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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3.3.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  Greg Jones @3.3    4 years ago
Got proof any white sups are involved?
Yup!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Tessylo @3    4 years ago

Where is the proof that any of these protesters are anti-fa?

ANTIFA was a made up "boogeyman" that the right wing brought out to try and balance the Nazis at Charlottesville.  There are no meetings, no hierarchy, no membership, it is just a label that the right wing likes to throw around.  You may see an individual, every now and then, proclaim the existence of ANTFA at various protests (especially ones that turned violent), but there is no ANTIFA organization, despite how much the right wing wants there to be.

There is no left wing equivalent to:

KKK

Neo-Nazi

Aryan Nations

White nationalist

Skinheads

Neo-Confederate

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Ronin2
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3.4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4    4 years ago

See post 1.2.6

Your "bogeyman" has done some very real crimes.

Here is another one to add to the list. The media glossed it over damn fast when the shooter was linked to Antifa.

However, when it comes to condemning the Dayton shooter’s militant far-left views, all remain mum. Others, such as anti-police activist Shaun King, even claimed the Dayton shooter targeted blacks in a hate crime, though ­racism doesn’t appear to have been a component of his twisted worldview.

While Betts, the Dayton shooter, didn’t leave behind a manifesto, his extensive social-media footprint provides clues as to what may have inspired him. Federal investigators announced Tuesday that they are looking into his exploration of violent ideologies.

Betts had long expressed support for antifa accounts, causes and individuals. That would be the loose network of militant leftist activists who physically attack anyone to the right of Mao in the name of “anti-fascism.” In particular, Betts promoted extreme hatred of American border enforcement.

“Kill every fascist,” the shooter declared in 2018 on twitter, echoing a rallying cry of antifa ideologues. Over the next year, his tweets became increasingly violent. “Nazis deserve death and nothing else,” he tweeted last October. Betts frequently flung the label “Nazi” at those with whom he disagreed online.

By December, he reached out on Twitter to the Socialist Rifle ­Association, an antifa gun group, to comment about bump stocks, and the SRA responded to him. (A bump stock is an attachment for semiautomatic rifles that allow them to fire much faster.)

In the months leading to his rampage, Betts expressed a longing for climactic confrontation. In ­response to an essay by Intercept writer Mehdi Hassan titled, “Yes, Let’s Defeat or Impeach Trump—but What If He Doesn’t Leave the White House?” the shooter wrote: “Arm, train, prepare.”

By June he tweeted: “I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round understanding.” Last week, he promoted posts that demonized Sens. Ted Cruz and Bill Cassidy’s resolution against antifa extremism.

America’s historical and contemporary struggles with fringe far-right violence has provided politicians, leaders and media with blueprints to identify and confront that form of extremism. The national unity in rejecting violent white-nationalist ideologues like James Fields and Dylan Roof are emblematic of America’s resolve against the far right.

The left are great at denying, and spinning. When the media couldn't make the nazi rap stick on the Ohio shooter they buried it completely concentrating on racist shooter in TX and elsewhere. 

Keep denying. Antifa doesn't give a fuck about you, or anyone else. Get in their way and you will be a victim as well.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @3.4.1    4 years ago
Your "bogeyman" has done some very real crimes.

Link 1 news article referencing ANTIFA, prior to Charlottesville.

Here is another one to add to the list.

Did you even bother reading your own linked article?  THERE IS NOT A SINGLE REFERENCE TO ANTIFA in it!!!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.5  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago

Please don’t be an idiot and claim these black clad anti fascist terrorists aren’t ANTIFA, 

Once again read thru the article, NO MENTION OF ANTIFA !  Do you bother reading your own links????

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.6  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago
Here’s another one, why does it seem like so many can’t figure out how google works?

Congrats you found one and only one, unfortunately it only references it as a label for unassociated people, no organization, just a simple label.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.8  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago
From the article, as black-clad "antifascist" protesters

Is every racist in America an official member of the KKK? Why are you claiming that every anti-Nazis protestor is part of ANTIFA????

Sorry there was absolutely no mention of the organization "ANTIFA".

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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3.4.11  KDMichigan  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4.8    4 years ago

See you are up to your ANTIFA apologist tactics again. I suggest you get busy on the internet and tell them they don't exist.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.4.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Release The Kraken @3.4.9    4 years ago
I suspect you have never visited the bowels of Antifa on the internet. They actually advocate for a violent revolution, killing people like you and I who believe that elections are the best way to chose our leadership.

Okay, please provide a membership list, a list of officials, or at lease a schedule for their next meeting.

For years the left sympathizing media has made excuses for them.

Please provide some links to these excuses prior to Charlottesville.

That brick, that Molotov cocktail isn't just directed towards police, or Trump, it's directed and you and I.

Then they have EXTREMELY bad aim.

The time to stop carrying water for them because you in some misguided way think you might share a common objective is now. figure1.png

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Ozzwald
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3.4.13  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago
Members of the "antifa" movement were cleared Thursday of felony rioting charges stemming from their alleged participation in the so-called #J20 protests at President Donald Trump's inauguration almost a year ago.

Is it a movement or an organization?  And your article is after Charlottesville.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.15  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago

For crimes committed before, another fail on your part.

The article was after, that's what I asked for.  Are you so unable to provide what I asked that you have to lie about it?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.4.16  XXJefferson51  replied to    4 years ago

You ask way too much...

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.17  Ozzwald  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.4.16    4 years ago

You ask way too much...

Apparently I do.  Articles noting ANTIFA prior to Charlottesville.  Who know it would be so difficult?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.19  Ozzwald  replied to    4 years ago

And yet i provided you one,,,,,,,,,,So you were wrong......again.

You provided one that referenced the act not the group.  Is 1 all you could find, why do you give me a few more while you're at it?  You seemed to have done a lot of looking to only find 1 obscure one.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.4.20  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4.19    4 years ago

April of 2017 good enough?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.21  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.20    4 years ago
April of 2017 good enough?

Try again...

SEPTEMBER 2017 ISSUE

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
3.4.22  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4.21    4 years ago

Obviously you didn't read the article. It may have been written in September 2017 but, the "actions" by the group(s) happened in April. It's right in the first paragraph SMMFH.

Since 1907, Portland, Oregon,has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.
In the days leading up to the planned parade, a group called the Direct Action Alliance declared, “Fascists plan to march through the streets,” and warned, “Nazis will not march through Portland unopposed.” The alliance said it didn’t object to the Multnomah GOP itself, but to “fascists” who planned to infiltrate its ranks. Yet it also denounced marchers with “Trump flags” and “red maga hats” who could “normalize support for an orange man who bragged about sexually harassing women and who is waging a war of hate, racism and prejudice.” A second group, Oregon Students Empowered, created a Facebook page called “Shut down fascism! No nazis in Portland!”
 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
3.4.23  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.4.22    4 years ago
It may have been written in September 2017

Wow, are you unwilling to read what I ask for before responding?  My request was:

Link 1 news article referencing ANTIFA, prior to Charlottesville.

Your news article was after Charlottesville.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.4.25  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @3.4.23    4 years ago

Semantics. It is proof they existed and were active prior to Charlottesville. Here ........

Have a Snickers..............................

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
4  squiggy    4 years ago

"...you and your white friends have gentrified out of sight."

The yuppie bastards have a regular machine...

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5  Colour Me Free    4 years ago
Now they do it in the name of the racially underprivileged. 

Had a heated discussion with my oldest son last night (those that know me .. know why} ..   I made the fatal mistake of saying something along the lines of selective outrage

Sooo the origins of the discussion between me and my son ….. he says .."mom I am watching everything that is happening and there is as many angry white people rioting in the streets as blacks .. [just like when he was in Seattle with black lives matter]" to which I point out .. I did not think this was a good thing .. as I am seeing the same numbers of white people looting stores as well - do you think they live there?   Of course then I was down playing the fact that America as a whole is outraged over the murder of blacks at the hands of police .. to which I made my 'fatal' comment … from that point I had to shut my mouth and listen .. as nothing I could say would every define what I truly meant....

I am always outraged, 'this should not be happening' or to use the Ooo so deep words of former president Obama  "shouldn't be 'normal' in 2020 America."  NOOOO! it should not be .. should not have been 'normal' when Tamir Rice [I would have been a one woman wrecking crew had that been my son!], Keith Lamont Scott among a list of sooo many other names.. I would not classify the death of George Floyd as actually 'normal' whatever the FUCK normal is.... I can however call the selective outrage of 'white' people as 'normal' as it gets

I shook my head at the outrage over Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown .. how and why did they become the poster boys for black lives matter - black neighborhoods burned, black businesses destroyed in St Louis .. once again there was as many whites as blacks doing the damage - for what ………….?  for the false narrative that Michael Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back by a racist police officer?

Done venting --- but I have a serious question .. Trump is handling things poorly and is not empathetic blah blah blah … tell me what did Obama do to 'heal the nation' ..?    a week after the Zimmerman verdict Obama comes out and addresses the nation saying 'had Trayvon been white we won't be here' (not a direct quote but damn'd close) for fucks sake how does a mom explain to her children that ANYONE that confronted Zimmerman that night would have been shot - he did not pick out a black man to shoot, when the president says something as stupid as that...?   - def blew up my sweet lil family

Sorry Fish I just went off topic, back to topic and then around the world to vent my frustrations!

Peace!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    4 years ago
for fucks sake how does a mom explain to her children that ANYONE that confronted Zimmerman that night would have been shot - he did not pick out a black man to shoot, when the president says something as stupid as that...?   - def blew up my sweet lil family

George Zimmerman stalked Trayvon Martin.  He followed him, with the lights off in his car, for blocks.  Zimmerman did not identify himself. 

Subsequent events have proven Zimmerman to be a racist asshole. 

Dont even get me started about George Zimmerman. He was 1000% in the wrong. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.1.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 years ago

I respectfully disagree .. even Zimmerman's former wife said he was an asshole .. but not racist .. a false narrative, an altered audio tape.  Zimmerman is a piece of shit - I thought he was a loose cannon - but race was not a factor - anyone that had confronted Zimmerman that night would have died .. Travyon also made it home but did not go in... NO ONE truly knows what happened that night!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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5.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 years ago
George Zimmerman stalked Trayvon Martin.  He followed him, with the lights off in his car, for blocks.  Zimmerman did not identify himself. 

No he did not. That statement is a total lie.

And anyway, Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, that's what got him shot.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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5.1.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    4 years ago

911 Operator to George Zimmerman …

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.2    4 years ago

What is a total lie?

What I said is exactly correct. 

I know about the Trayvon Martin story.  We talked about it for weeks here and I did a lot of research on it. 

Lets hear about all your knowledge on the subject.  Do you want a postage stamp to write it on ? 

 
 
 
lib50
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5.2  lib50  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    4 years ago

And your post pretty much lays out why we are where we are.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.2.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  lib50 @5.2    4 years ago

Spare me your selective outrage .. I have see it all before from you!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.2.1    4 years ago

Colour,

There are a lot of other events that have happened before and after Zimmerman that are legit and a source of frustration. Rioting and looting are never the way. 

But consider this: 

When Philadelphia Eagles fans ripped through their city, looting, flipping cars, and starting fires after a Super Bowl win, where was the outrage? Do you not see the irony of that? A Superbowl win vs. the death of a human being? 

I don't condone the violence, but there is a huge double standard. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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5.2.3  A. Macarthur  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.2    4 years ago

When Philadelphia Eagles fans ripped through their city, looting, flipping cars, and starting fires after a Super Bowl win, where was the outrage? Do you not see the irony of that? A Superbowl win vs. the death of a human being? 

Yeah, many did, I know, I live here … and there was plenty of outrage … but we're discussing two different kinds of stupidity … one, a drunken excuse to "celebrate," the ones going on now …

To protest a RACE-BASED MURDER recorded live for the world to see. The Eagles fans had no justifiable reason to do what they did; it was wrong, wrong, wrong, 100%. But, like oppressed people who cannot depend on the "legal" system to protect them from THE FUCKING LEGAL SYSTEM ITSELF, in desperation, there are uprisings!

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Philly's idiots! Mostly white males … 

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Today's MAGAs many … I live here, I know!

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Colour Me Free
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5.2.4  Colour Me Free  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.2    4 years ago
When Philadelphia Eagles fans ripped through their city, looting, flipping cars, and starting fires after a Super Bowl win, where was the outrage? Do you not see the irony of that? A Superbowl win vs. the death of a human being? 

What? I am not comparing the stupidity of a drunk crowd of revelers to what has taken place at the hands of a minority of officers, NO CAUSE was hijacked .. Philadelphia was ignorance running amok … talk about simplifying a problem - why should there have been outrage beyond property damage?  .. did those being violent after a football game tear things apart because Kaepernick took a knee over a black man killed by an officer? 

Fortunately there was not rioting and looting [at least on a large scale] after the death of Trayvon Martin - regardless of past and after blah blah blah about Zimmerman - no one knows the events of the night outside of speculation ...

Take care Perrie .. my thoughts are with your family as well - stay safe and healthy

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.2.5  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.2    4 years ago
When Philadelphia Eagles fans ripped through their city, looting, flipping cars, and starting fires after a Super Bowl win, where was the outrage? Do you not see the irony of that? A Superbowl win vs. the death of a human being? 

There was no outrage? Try the hell again. Name anyone that gave the rioters a pass.

The media didn't, politicians didn't, and the police sure as hell didn't.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
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5.4  KDMichigan  replied to  Colour Me Free @5    4 years ago
I made the fatal mistake of saying something along the lines of selective outrage

We seen selective outrage when white armed protesters where at the Michigan capital. They couldn't shut up about it, TDS sufferers still refer to it as how much of a danger society is in because people brandished guns in a open carry state. Did you know they had a black crowd there protesting after that. I doubt it. because it doesn't fit the left wing narrative.

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I totally agree with what they were protesting by the way.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.4.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  KDMichigan @5.4    4 years ago

Thank you for the link .. that is something I would never have seen ….

I support the right to bear arms - Strap them on .. armed individuals such as these are not street thugs running around thinking that a gun is the way to settle a dispute.  These are individuals standing their ground .. 'practicing' their right to assembly peaceably while bearing arms!  It is a beautiful thing!!!

"There's a reason we don't exercise our rights the same way because we don't get the same response when we do," Alexander said. "For me, this is a moment where we are saying, 'We know our rights. We believe we are equal. But we are going to put ourselves out front, knowing we won't get approached the same way.'"

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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6  A. Macarthur    4 years ago

Here's the reality. The haters will try and talk around it and those whose miseducation is accepted willingly from the Fox-Goebbels network … have problems with inconvenient truth.

Watch the video … 

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1  Ender  replied to  A. Macarthur @6    4 years ago

She is right. Then the woman wanted to argue with her...

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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7  A. Macarthur    4 years ago

Oh! My! A number of apologists herein must have missed this!

And look! The murderer committed the murder casually, relaxed, hand in pocket, even three minutes after he was told that his victim had no pulse.

Anyone need an explanation as to why the outrage.

The ultimate emblem of resistance: the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

On the revolt’s 70th anniversary, exploring how Jews fought to determine their own fates …

By   MATT LEBOVIC 18 April 2013, 8:42 pm
Ya' know when institutional racists, etc. kill people because of their race, religion, etc. … some survivors of that kind of shit get really, really pissed!
Don't fucking tell me to "go back to my pictures and stuff" … 
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Understand?
 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1  Texan1211  replied to  A. Macarthur @7    4 years ago

Who here has been an apologist for that cop's actions? I haven't seen any of that going on here. Enlighten me. Just the post numbers will do nicely.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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7.1.1  A. Macarthur  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1    4 years ago

If one hasn't advocated the charging and arresting of the other three officers while criticizing protestors and  accusing ANTIFA because Trump & Barr have, one is a de facto apologist. If one misrepresents the Trayvon Martin case even though the 911 operator made it clear that Zimmerman wasn't to follow Martin, if one hasn't expressed outrage at shit like this …

One is either an apologist, or, complicit in perpetuating propaganda.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  A. Macarthur @7.1.1    4 years ago

I really haven't seen anyone here criticizing protestors. I have seen plenty of criticism of people who riot and loot and destroy property. I consider people who do such things to be nothing more than common thugs. Please point out which posts here you are referring to.

When one can't tell the difference, it makes me wonder what the real agenda is.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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7.1.4  A. Macarthur  replied to    4 years ago

Don't do that straw man shit with me … YOU brought Micheal Brown and Russia into this … and George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin despite being told by a 911 operator not to pursue Martin. An aggressor can not legally claim self-defense … which is why the killers of a Georgia black jogger are charged with murder. 

Unlike that POS Obama killing Americans with no due process.

Drone strikes … you have a point … 105,000 dead Americans because Trump told his staff to conceal the COVID-19 so as "not to spook the markets and hurt my re-election chances" 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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7.1.6  A. Macarthur  replied to    4 years ago
You brought Russia into this first at 1.2.7
In response to Texan who did the same straw man shit you do.
Zimmerman was found not guilty, in part because the judge mis-instructed the jury regarding levels of guilt.
I posted the 911 call re: Zimmerman 
Even defense attorneys, who use the law to their advantage, say the instruction for the justifiable use of deadly force can be confusing to jurors since there are so many elements to it. It's one of the longest instructions given jurors.

"The more complex the instruction, the more it benefits the defense," said Blaine McChesney, an Orlando defense attorney and former prosecutor with no connection to the Zimmerman case. "It's a very convoluted instruction, but it's the best they have."

Jurors were also told that reasonable doubt about Zimmerman's guilt could come from conflicting evidence or the lack of evidence.

Instructions To The Jury Were At The Forefront Of The Zimmerman Verdict

Jul 14, 2013, 5:40 PM
Part of the judges instructions to the jury …

An act is “imminently dangerous to another and demonstrating a depraved mind ” if it is an act or series of acts that:
1. a person of ordinary judgment would know is reasonably certain to kill or do serious bodily injury to another, and
2. is done from ill will, hatred, spite or an evil intent, and
3. is of such a nature that the act itself indicates an indifference to human life.

If you listen to the 911 call, you'll hear Zimmerman begin with a bigoted, generalized, editorial comment about Martin made before any direct confrontation. 

In order to convict of Second Degree Murder, it is not necessary for the State to prove George Zimmerman had an intent to cause death.

 

You are incapable of civil dialogue almost invariably resorting to personal insults, half-baked innuendos and straw man deflections. Your summary dismissals consist of pronouncements without point-counter point information or rebuttals.

So, see ya'.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  A. Macarthur @7.1.6    4 years ago
In response to Texan who did the same straw man shit you do.

That is an outright lie.

I specifically responded to what YOU wrote, so don't pull that fucking shit on me.

I even asked for the post numbers that you claimed people were supporting the cop who killed him. You, of course, then changed your tune and went off onto another rant.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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7.1.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.8    4 years ago
That is an outright lie.

"sure we will. just like we saw proof of trump campaign collusion with Russia.

good fantasy!"

Hey Tex, sound familiar..?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
7.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @7.1.9    4 years ago

Yes, AND??????????????????????????????????????????

WTF does that have to do with THIS conversation?

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
8  A. Macarthur    4 years ago

On their own front porch.

Think of it as "proof" of the shit white people don't have to endure.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  A. Macarthur @8    4 years ago

384

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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9  A. Macarthur    4 years ago

More proof.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
Professor Guide
10  A. Macarthur    4 years ago

original

Imagine that.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  A. Macarthur @10    4 years ago

The never trumper pundit Steve Schmidt was on tv a little while ago, and i think he made a very good and important point. 

The protests length and breadth and depth are proving one thing above all else.  Black people in America will never again accept mistreatment from the police. This is a historic moment in America. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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10.2  It Is ME  replied to  A. Macarthur @10    4 years ago

On this matter, Seems to me, after reading and watching much, It's been just Violent Revolution. Can't we give "Peaceful Revolution" a Chance first ?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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11  It Is ME    4 years ago

But, But …… They're breaking down the barriers...to help innocent people. 

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Those they Help !

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KDMichigan
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11.1  KDMichigan  replied to  It Is ME @11    4 years ago
Trump told his staff to conceal the COVID-19 so as "not to spook the markets and hurt my re-election chances" 

Don't you know that them are all White Supremacist plants to make the protesters look bad? Just ask Mac he will tell you.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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11.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  KDMichigan @11.1    4 years ago

This "Thingy" going on right now, does make me chuckle when I listen to "Liberal Types" complain about everything but the Riots.

A cop kills someone, and it's all ….. "He's a "Racist", She's a Racist, Trumps a Racist, everyone is a "Racist". Everyone Sucks !

The ones that "Burn, Loot, Beat up folks, and trash" Cities, are just doing what they deserve to do. They Care ! jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

Like Martha Stewart says …… "and that's a Good thing" ! jrSmiley_103_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
12  Dismayed Patriot    4 years ago

" A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of  "Antifa"  was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account."

Twitter has deactivated an account that it says claimed to belong to a national ‘Antifa’ organization but was really created by the white supremacist group Identity Evropa.

The account, which included the Antifa logo as well as a Twitter handle ‘Antifa America’ and two hammers and sickles, posted an ‘alert’ which read: ‘Tonight’s the night, comrades.’

It continued: ‘Tonight we say “F*** The City” and we move into the residential areas…the white hoods…and we take what’s ours.’

The post ended with the hashtags #Blacklives maters and #F***America.

Many of Trumps white nationalist and white supremacist supporters are giddy with the thought of provoking a race war and the dishonest moron Donald is playing right into their hands.
"Andrew Anglin, founder of the popular right-wing website The Daily Stormer, heaped praise on Trump.

"This is the kind of WHITE NATIONALISM we elected him for," Anglin wrote on his website."

" White supremacists backed Donald Trump from the time he began his presidential campaign by calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists, and I believe they’ll continue to back Trump."

"After initially denouncing racism following the murder of antiracism demonstrator Heather Heyer during rallies by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Trump blamed both sides for the violence, claiming “ very fine people ” participated in the rallies. White supremacists  thanked Trump  for his words , which were widely seen as supportive of the racists who participated in those deadly demonstrations."

" When President Trump declared himself “a nationalist” during a Texas campaign rally Monday night, the apparent dog whistle was heard loud and clear by white supremacy groups and their online networks."

Known Neo-Nazis and white supremacy sympathizers are touting the president’s self-proclamation as an endorsement of their cause.

“He is /ourguy/,” wrote Andrew Anglin on the Neo-Nazi flagship website he founded in 2013, The Daily Stormer. “He is pushing the edges of the limits.”

“Well he is the president of the United States, not the president of Globalist Pangea,” tweeted Henrick Palmgren, who marched during Charlottesville’s first “Unite the Right” rally and currently runs the white nationalist radio station Red Ice from Oregon."

You would think non-white supremacists non-white nationalists in Trumps base would be worried about those type of people in their crowd. Guess they don't really have much problem with this type of folk but want to blame everything on the "evil liberals".

 
 

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