Russia secretly offered bounties on US troops to Taliban, report says

  

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Via:  flynavy1  •  2 weeks ago  •  269 comments

Russia secretly offered bounties on US troops to Taliban, report says
Trump was briefed on the bounties, and the National Security Council discussed the problem in late March, the officials told The Times.

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A Russian military intelligence unit secretly offered bounties to militants in Afghanistan for killing coalition forces — including targeting American troops, according to a report Friday.

The revelations, from American intelligence officials —   reported by The New York Times   — came as the US, Taliban militants and the Afghan government are struggling to cut a peace deal to end the 18-year conflict.

The US determined months ago that the Russian unit, which has also been linked to assassination attempts and covert operations in Europe that are intended to destabilize the West, had secretly offered rewards for successful attacks last year, the paper reported.

Taliban-linked Islamist militants, as well as armed criminals closely associated with them, collected some of the bounty money, the intelligence officials said.

Twenty Americans were killed in combat in Afghanistan in 2019, but it was not clear which of them could have been linked to Russia’s bounty.

Trump was briefed on the bounties, and the National Security Council discussed the problem in late March, the officials told The Times.

The NSC brass developed potential options — from demanding that the Kremlin stop the practice to sanctions and other possible responses — but the White House has not approved of any action against Russia or President Vladimir Putin, a former top KBG official himself.

American and Afghan officials have long said that Russia was supporting the Taliban, but the revelation was the first time Russia had been accused of sponsoring armed attacks against American and NATO troops.


The Kremlin was unaware of the accusations, Dmitry Peskov, Putin’s spokesman, told The Times. “If someone makes them, we’ll respond,” Peskov said. A Taliban spokesman did not respond to messages from the paper seeking comment.


The officials who shared the intelligence did not explain the Trump administration’s delayed response — though normalizing relations with Russia was a key part of Trump’s campaign for office.

Since then, he’s   lobbied for Russia’s return   to the G-7, after it was bounced for its invasion and annexation of Crimea.

Trump at a   summit in Helsinki   in 2018 suggested that he believed Putin’s denial that the Kremlin interfered in the 2016 presidential election on his behalf despite the unanimous conclusion of the US intelligence community that it had.

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe   reached the same conclusion.

But the administration did share the intelligence with the UK this week, according to the report, because British forces were also among those targeted.

American and Afghan officials had already accused Russia of providing small arms to the Taliban, although Russian government officials dismissed the claims as “idle gossip.”


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FLYNAVY1
1  seeder  FLYNAVY1    2 weeks ago

You've got to be fucking kidding me...!

These are our sons and daughters..... My brothers and sisters in arms.

This piece of shit that you [Deleted] on the right think belongs in the White House was informed about this in March, yet was pushing for Russia's return to the G7 as recently as this past week.

What is it going to take for you [Deleted] on the right to get the message that Trump doesn't care about America, it's people or even you.....!

Come on Trump supporters...... defend this!!!!!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago

That's right..... your savior in the WH is a Russian asset that says "He loves the military"  while he sucks up to asshole that is putting a bounty on our kids in Afghanistan.

  

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1    2 weeks ago

how they defend/deflect on this should be interesting

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.1    2 weeks ago
They've been staying away because they are complicit with Trump's actions......  Trump could be the devil himself, they'd still support him, country be damned.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.2    2 weeks ago
ey've been staying away because they are complicit with Trump's actio

I love this thread. Watching Democrats freak out about Trump when Obama did much worse with Iran  is pure comedy. [Deleted]

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.4  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.3    2 weeks ago
Obama did much worse with Iran 

Obama is no longer president.

(But then, I assume you already knew that)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.5  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

I love your whataboutism Sean.....  Trump has weakened us around the world and with our allies.  Russia, China are having a field day while your buddy Trump is giving Putin the best blowjob he's ever had.

So.... Tell me why Russia has earned the privilege to be part of the G7 again?  Your buddy Trump thinks that it's more important  then sending a message about bounties on our soldiers.    

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
I love your whataboutism Sean..

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When Obama gave pallets of cash to a regime that not only gave bounties out on Americans in Afghanistan, but killed them, you were quiet as a church mouse.  Now Russia did it and suddenly, miraculously, it's a problem that Trump even suggests letting them back in the G7! Do you know how ridiculous your position is? Some countries that put bounties on American troops should be rewarded and others  punished, depending on the political needs of the Democratic party?  Good luck with that.

ell me why Russia has earned the privilege to be part of the G7 again

Why would I do that? I don't think they should. 

uddy Trump thinks that it's more important  then sending a message about bounties on our soldiers.  

And your hero Obama thought it was more important to give cash and a path to nuke than send a message about bounties on our soldiers.

See, my position is consistent. No country who puts bounties on our soldiers should be rewarded. Pity you can't say the same. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.7  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

But Obama.....

You must mumble his name in your sleep Sean.  Too bad you can't bring yourself to deal with the present.  You want to talk about Iran and the nuke treaty.... go start your own seed on the topic...... I'll be there.

This one is about Trump giving Putin a blowjob again.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.7    2 weeks ago

 Too bad you can't bring yourself to deal with the present.

I did..I have principles that transcend the party of the President.  

[Deleted] pointing out your position from a couple of years ago provides causes such angst to you.  In order for you to pretend to have a principled position on this topic, you have to wipe away all history before 2016 (except when talking about Russian bad acts that occurred prior to 2016, of course). and then, when the next Democrat is elected, you can forget all the positions you took when Trump was President and start arguing whatever talking points help that President.  

People arguing from principle don't have a problem demonstrating how those principles are applied across different situations. Your  refusal to address your support for other countries that offered bounties to kill Americans speaks volumes about your motivation in attacking Trump and lack of any actual principled objections to his behavior. It's just feigned outrage. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.6    2 weeks ago

I'm so sick of that debunked nonsense.  

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.8    2 weeks ago
'I did..I have principles that transcend the party of the President.'

[Deleted]

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.11  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.8    2 weeks ago

Texas Rep. Michael McCaul, the ranking Republican on House Foreign Affairs, said in a statement Saturday that he "immediately reached out to the Administration," adding that if the accusations in the New York Times report are true, the administration "must take swift and serious action to hold the Putin regime accountable."

McCaul must be up for reelection.......

 
 
 
Dulay
1.1.12  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.6    2 weeks ago
When Obama gave pallets of cash to a regime

That bullshit has been debunked too many times to count Sean. Only the willfully uninformed repeat it now. 

And your hero Obama thought it was more important to give cash and a path to nuke than send a message about bounties on our soldiers.

There is no evidence that anyone was aware of Russian bounties until March of this year. 

See, my position is consistent. No country who puts bounties on our soldiers should be rewarded. Pity you can't say the same. 

Pity Trump's position isn't consistent. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.1.13  pat wilson  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.6    2 weeks ago
Obama gave pallets of cash

That was Iran's money to begin with.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

At least when we held it, we knew it wasn't financing terrorism.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.15  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

We also kept four modified Spruance class destroyers (Kidd class) that Iran bought once the 79 revolution came about.  We ran the guts out of from 1981 to 1998.  They were also informally known  "The Ayatolla or dead admiral" class."  Each one at the time had a cost of $890 million.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @1.1.12    2 weeks ago
has been debunked too many times to count Sean. Only the willfully uninformed repeat it now. 

Of course they did. Are you really that ignorant? 

  no evidence that anyone was aware of Russian bounties until March of this year.

Wrong again! 

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/14/iran-support-to-the-taliban-which-has-included-manpads-and-a-bounty-on-us-troops-could-be-a-spoiler-for-peace-in-afghanistan/

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.17  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.11    2 weeks ago

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Dismayed Patriot
1.1.18  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @1.1.17    2 weeks ago
every representative is up for election every time there is a federal election held.

And these two and thousands more like them will be voting for Trump...

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loki12
1.1.19  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.18    2 weeks ago

Now a day, Russians support American more than many democrats, who has done more damage to American cities lately? Fucktard democrats or Russian Spetsnaz?

 
 
 
JBB
1.1.20  JBB  replied to  loki12 @1.1.19    2 weeks ago

Russians do NOT "Support America". Russia supports Trump!

BIG DIFFERENCE...

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.1.21  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @1.1.19    2 weeks ago
Now a day, Russians support American more than many democrats

Russians do not support America in anyway. Putin is determined to destroy western democracy and he is using gullible conservatives to do it. He is appealing to white nationalists and putting out all sort of rhetoric and false narratives to rile up the conservative base as he did in the 2016 election because he wants us to fight among ourselves. He wants to pretend to be white conservatives friends so they eat up all the lies and misinformation he disseminates via RT and Sputnik which are often picked up by right wing rags and regurgitated all over conservative airwaves.

Putin isn't a "former" KGB agent, he is an active KGB agent who blames America for the old Russian regimes downfall. Anyone telling themselves anything different are lying to themselves. This most recent story about Russia paying for American soldiers to be killed is Putin's delayed response to what we found out America did to Russia in Afghanistan back in the late 1980's that was exposed in "Charlie Wilson's War".

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.22  loki12  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @1.1.21    2 weeks ago

It’s amazing how many of you now hate Russians when you loved them so much when Putin’s cockholster was President. Hasn’t trump been trying to bring troops home? Unfortunately it appears many democrats would happily kill US soldiers to push their agenda.

obama gave Putin entire sections of [country,deleted] while he was trying to erase a red line that never existed, and all the left can do now is mindlessly bleat a debunked conspiracy about Russia.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  loki12 @1.1.22    2 weeks ago

We all know very well that the current 'president' is Putin's cockholder.  

We don't love Russians.

tRump's supporters sure do.  

 
 
 
lib50
1.1.24  lib50  replied to  loki12 @1.1.22    2 weeks ago
It’s amazing how many of you now hate Russians when you loved them so much when Putin’s cockholster was President.

Um, the cockholster is still in office blowing as we type.  Now I am wondering if any of you can actually discuss what this seed is about, Putin offering bounties on American lives to Afghan militants and Trump doesn't care.  Do you care? Do republicans care? Do you think the military will care? What do you think should be done about it?  Invite Putin to join the G7?  Come on now, lets hear the excuses for allowing Trump's best buddy Putin to off American troops.  See if it can be done without deflection.

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.25  loki12  replied to  lib50 @1.1.24    2 weeks ago

Show actual proof that Obama ever stopped sucking Putin off, 

as for the second part, show actual proof trump knew, I can show multiple articles where trump wants to bring our young boys home. Obama never gave shit about American lives, or brown people for that matter, maybe that’s why he murdered so many who were no threat to the US.

As for trump not doing anything about this, prove from a reliable source it’s true, the NY slime, and Bezos vanity project has gotten exactly zero things right about Russia and only the most gullible retards believe them. So I await your RELIABLE proof.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  pat wilson @1.1.13    2 weeks ago

Under international law, we had to return it.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.27  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @1.1.19    2 weeks ago

I'd say people like you that put Trump in office and still want him therel

Get off your libertarian fence and take a stand for America.

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.28  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.27    2 weeks ago

It appears once again you have been duped by fake news coming from the times, they bleated russian collusion for 3 years when there was none and now you fell for it again,

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-intel-doesnt-back-up-report-on-russian-bounties-against-us-troops

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.29  Ozzwald  replied to  loki12 @1.1.28    2 weeks ago
It appears once again you have been duped by fake news coming from the times

It appears that once again you were duped by the fake news coming from FoxNews, in their never ending efforts to suck up to POTUS.

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.30  loki12  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.29    2 weeks ago

So once again you have a simple my news with un-named source is better than news with people who will stand behind it. 

If it's true Ozzy, why won't the cowards come out and say so? why hide like the little pussies they are?  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.1.31  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @1.1.30    2 weeks ago
So once again you have a simple my news with un-named source is better than news with people who will stand behind it.  If it's true Ozzy, why won't the cowards come out and say so? why hide like the little pussies they are?  

First, they still believe the Steele Dossier, even when the person that provided it dismisses it.   Hell they know better then the originator don't they?

Now, it appears that there is a similar scenario with this bounty bullshit story.   Some SpecOps guys got it from guys they captured, of course they couldn't verify it but just gave it to their up-chain superiors who noted it as 'unverified' and unsupported intel.

Most of that type of stuff gets sent in official cables, and is flagged "routine" or more likely the even lower classification of "info".   That type of shit essentially never sees the light of day beyond the one who sent it and very often, it isn't even read by the receiving station since they get hundreds of those every day.

But, beyond that, the DNI has stated that President Trump has NOT//NOT been briefed.

But, Trump........

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.1.32  Ozzwald  replied to  loki12 @1.1.30    2 weeks ago
So once again you have a simple my news with un-named source is better than news with people who will stand behind it. 

When you are talking FoxNews....YES.

When you are talking FoxNews, when they are merely reporting what Trump claims...... YES!

As of 2 1/2 months ago:

President Trump made 18,000 false or misleading claims in 1,170 days

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.1.33  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @1.1.28    2 weeks ago

"Trump says....."

That's just stellar brilliance Loki.......! 

You want to take a known habitual liar's word on this.... and as reported by Fox news, an organization that has proven it will lie at the drop of a hat.  

 
 
 
loki12
1.1.34  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1.33    2 weeks ago
That's just stellar brilliance Loki.......!

Of course it is, and you believe a lying rag with no integrity.   It's also the DNI and VP pence, but you go with the lying rag.

Russia!!!!!!

 
 
 
Krishna
1.1.35  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.1    yesterday
That's right..... your savior in the WH is a Russian asset that says "He loves the military"  while he sucks up to asshole that is putting a bounty on our kids in Afghanistan.

The Lincoln Project is a group of Republicans who are strongly opposed to re-electing Trump. They have a series of powerful ads making that point.

Here's one they did on the collusion between Trump and his puppet-master Vladimir Putin:

The Lincoln Project: "Fellow Traveler'

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago

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FLYNAVY1
1.2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @1.2    2 weeks ago

Ever been on a cat shot in shitty weather in the dark of night?

What the hell does that have to do with the guy you put in the WH that enables the same country and leader that pays money to the Taliban as a bounty on our troops?

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.2  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @1.2    2 weeks ago
Have you ever actually been on the ground in combat?

Given that his name is "FlyNavy", I think its a safe assumption that he was(is?) in the Navy. As many people are aware, sailors generally fight onboard a ship-- not on land . (I could be wrong-- just a wild guess on my part :-)

Of course "FLY " probably indicates he fought in the air --  Naval Air Forces-- not on the ground.

Again, just a wild guess. I could be wrong....,maybe, like our esteemed draft-dodger "President BoneSpur",  he was never in the military at all, and the word "FLY" is instead used to indicate that he was an Entomologist?

(This may be a tad off-topic, but I myself used to be interested in the scientific study of Entos!!!)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Krishna @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

It's deflection Krishna....

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.4  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

OMG-- you'r right!

Thanks for your comment.

Please accept my apologies.

I will delete it toute de suite! (If not sooner)

 
 
 
Krishna
1.2.5  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

I was too late-- I can no longer delete it. 

FLYNAVY-- please delete it for me! 

Thanks :-)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Krishna @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

No need to apologize nor delete.  Its all good.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.7  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

So the answer is no thanks for the info.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.2.8  bbl-1  replied to  MUVA @1.2    2 weeks ago

You?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @1.2    2 weeks ago

That's a rude question to ask a fellow service member. It doesn't matter if Fly served on the ground in combat. I didn't but I had an important job back in the states. WE ALL HAVE IMPORTANT JOBS IN THE MILITARY. No one person is better than another.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.2.10  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.9    2 weeks ago

Then why is there different pay grades? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.10    2 weeks ago

Why do you think, Dean?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
1.2.12  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.11    2 weeks ago

Because they're not all the same and some jobs are worth more than others like it should be. The more important job holders earn a higher wage. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.12    2 weeks ago

I don't think you understand how military ranks and pay work.

I'll use the Air Force as an example because I know AF ranks.

An airman one striper (E-1) who works in the chow hall gets paid the same as an airman one-striper working on an F22 fighter jet. Who do you think is more important, Dean?

A captain who is a nurse gets paid the same as a captain in charge of the maintenance squadron that maintains C-130s. Who do you think is more important, Dean?

A Staff Sergeant in Bioenvironmental Engineering makes the same wage as the Staff Sergeant in Finance who makes sure every body gets paid. Who do you think is more important, Dean?

Do you need more examples?

There are some officers who make more than their counterparts because they have a specialty such as orthodontics or orthopedists. I am only familiar with the medical staff. There may be examples in other parts of the military but I'm not aware of that.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.14  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.12    2 weeks ago

It doesn't work that way Dean.... 

If you have the same number of stripes, both the mess cook and the electronics technician get paid the same.  A disbursing clerk handling pay records gets paid the same amount as a missile tech working on Trident missiles.  It's about the stripes.

Reenlistment bonuses.... That's different. They do pay greater amounts to try and keep the technical trades.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.14    2 weeks ago

Thanks for explaining it better

(psssstttt....do jet pilots get paid more than the same rank working on the deck?)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.16  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.15    2 weeks ago

About the only difference would be the flight pay.  Flight deck pay, hazardous duty pay, and sea duty pay would all be the same for the same rank and time in service.

Even as an E4 with flight status I got what I considered well paid.  At sea I needed about $50/month.  Back in the 1980s, I left instructions for the bank to transfer my direct deposits into CDs on a monthly basis.  Back then they were paying 15% on a 2-year. When I got out and headed back to school, I had a nice pile of cash to draw from.

  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.17  Trout Giggles  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.16    2 weeks ago

I thought so but wasn't sure. Thanks.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.2.18  bbl-1  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.2.14    2 weeks ago

Also there is 'time in grade' pay.

Example:  An E-7 with seven years in that rank makes a little more than an E-7 with one or two years.  And so on.  Am not sure of the pro-rating calculations, but I do know they are in place.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.19  MUVA  replied to  bbl-1 @1.2.8    2 weeks ago

Yes twice 2003 ,2006 and was going to go again till I was injured training that required a 19 X 9 piece of mesh to close the hole in my stomach and 3 back operations.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.2.20  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @1.2.19    2 weeks ago

All snark and sniping aside..... did the VA put you back together, or was it a combination VA/Private?  What percentage of mobility do you have now after the body shop work, and what about long term disability?

Our latest family generation had one that came back from Afghanistan missing his lower leg from an RPG in 2007, with three that came back whole.  Two others were scope-dopes with the Navy. One chose not to serve.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  bbl-1 @1.2.18    2 weeks ago

Looks we showed Dean the facts.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.2.22  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.21    one week ago

i wished to save something i wrote for a very wrong righty nother, as fairly sure he will flag and erase, so i needed a place, hope here is OK with you and the Navy

Compared to a mentally impaired devoted deviant and Diva of deprivation  , a social sycophant without the need or want, to put anything or anyone above self , especially our once great nation, Biden is a true Red White and Blue Inspiration to our purposefully Divided United States Nation, as Trump has proven to be the ultimate loser, as the only thing we lead on is Corona infections as the dereliction of the delusional deity, directs US down that make America Sewer Grate, Draining and dragging those who pray along side those who don't prey on the fears, that Trump continually attempts while shopping at/to sears no skin in the blame game, as he burns Americans. He's burnt our citizens out of the truth on a containable virus, all while treasonously trying to try US, on the charge of First Degree IGNORANCE, another projection from the projector in chief who projects Dis Belief, as he LIES again and again, tweets to NO END, Racist White Power tweets, and it'seasy to read between the WHITE Sheets , for the Liter that should have been ousted by the Quarts, but for the R's, and that R does not stand for Retorts, as they have aloud what the herd has bought, for the benefit of what only a disgusting excuse of a party sought, cause heard mentality has been hear, sounding from all proximity around, a failure of a President, another useless puppet cast and spent on words he can't spell more LIES he can't sell, as his denial and silence on the REAL PROBLEMS facing our country do tell. Trump spews racist spouts, talks of whatabouts like how that Corona is again gonna disappear as sure asz his fat asz isn't his rear, 

and due to a mental midget with too much time to golf and tweet, to criticise and cheat, as he is the picture of De Feat that walks in the footsteps of the one that Putin wear he never fit, do do things to benefit Russia non stop is BULLSHIT, to not condemn and take action on his Mother Russia is the ultimate insult to ALL PATRIOTIC AMERICANS, ESPECIALLY OUR TROOPS, as bounties were laid and paid, like Trump's women, but our Troops are not his playmate porno collection, they are our sons, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers, that Trump feels are not worthy of his time to read of dire warnings, and or do a damn thing about it for them, besides blame others, cause he IS NO LEADER OF MEN. He is of the elected and infected  pervy  infection brought forth by the last mislead election, that a sleeping sleepy Joe Biden , could surpass while FAST ASLEEP and California dreaming , ASZ Trump is RUSSIAN AWAKE and screamin, BLACKS, IN THE USSR better than those of the US of A whole lot wrong , as a treasonous POS potUS that the GOP could have solved, is and will be, a problem till the day he Dies, and all those DEATHS and Violations of a NATION, fall back upon the Republicans and one ignorant Nation, where as we all see, even FOOLS,   Ignorance continues to rulez. There is probably NOT a person that the Democratic pity party could run, that would/could not chase out Trump like the Father blaming the Altered Boy HE violated, for Raping the NUN, cause when it comes to pussies, Trump just GRABS HIM SOME ! 

 
     
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XDm9mm
1.3  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago
Come on Trump supporters...... defend this!!!!!

I won't defend it, but I'll ask you one question.

EXACTLY what was he supposed to do?  Carpet bomb Moscow?

There's more to international relations than that you know.

Oh, and lest you forget, it was President Trump that killed or wounded three hundred Russians in Syria after that red line in the sand that Obama drew and ignored was crossed again.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.3.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3    2 weeks ago

Why the hell is he pushing for Russia to be brought back into the G7?  Why even bring it up to the other members?

Has Putin released the Crimea?  Has he stopped arming sympathetic Russian militia in Ukraine?  What has Russia done to earn being brought back in the the G7?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.2  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.3.1    2 weeks ago
Why the hell is he pushing for Russia to be brought back into the G7?  Why even bring it up to the other members?

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Has Putin released the Crimea? 

Nope.  But then he didn't under Obama either.

Has he stopped arming sympathetic Russian militia in Ukraine? 

Nope.  But then President Trump HAS provided the lethal aide to fight back which Obama refused to do, even against the advice of his military advisers.

What has Russia done to earn being brought back in the the G7?

See my first reply.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.3  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3    2 weeks ago
killed or wounded three hundred Russians in Syria

I could be wrong, but IIIRC that's inaccurate.

At the time I was following that story closely, and I think your comment  may be very inaccurate-- but it could also be that my memory of the event is inaccurate).

But now I'm curious-- do you have a link?

Thanks :-)

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.4  XDm9mm  replied to  Krishna @1.3.3    2 weeks ago
But now I'm curious-- do you have a link?

Seek and yeah too shall find:

Russian toll in Syria battle was 300 killed and wounded: sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-casualtie-idUSKCN1FZ2DZ
 
 
 
Krishna
1.3.5  Krishna  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.2    2 weeks ago
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Nice slogan.

Its always useful to use a catchy phrase when you can't come up with a good argument to bolster your position! 

But what does it really say?

By any chance do you remember Yalta? (One of the most important conferences of WWII).

FDR and two of our allies in Europe at the time (the Union & the U.K.) were allied with us in fighting Nazi Germany.

(And Fascist Italy) 

If its such a great idea to "keep our enemies closer"-- how come FDR, Churchill, and Stalin didn't know that? (Perhaps that was a mistake, perhaps you are wiser than they were-- I really don't know)

But how came they refused to invite Hitler, Hirohito, and Mussolini? As they were our main enemies, why didn't they want to "Keep them closer"?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Krishna @1.3.5    2 weeks ago
If its such a great idea to "keep our enemies closer"-- how come FDR, Churchill, and Stalin didn't know that? (Perhaps that was a mistake, perhaps you are wiser than they were-- I really don't know)

While I wasn't around for Yalta, I did learn that there was a particular General that did not want to stop at the Elbe River but continue on to Moscow, did you hear that also?  He knew who the enemy was, but politicians decided otherwise.

FDR and Churchill also realized the need to keep Germany fighting on two fronts simultaneously.  Had they not used Stalin and the millions of Russians he sacrificed on the eastern front, there is a very good possibility that the ultimate outcome of the war would have been different.....   

 
 
 
Dulay
1.3.7  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.2    2 weeks ago
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Giving your 'enemy' unearned prestige isn't keeping them close. 

Nope.  But then he didn't under Obama either.

Trump has had 3 years that Obama didn't and has HELPED Russia screw Ukraine instead of helping Ukraine regain their territory. 

Nope.  But then President Trump HAS provided the lethal aide to fight back which Obama refused to do, even against the advice of his military advisers.

You mean the 'lethal aide' that Trump ordered the OMB to withhold for so long that the Congress had to re-appropriate the funding?

See my first reply.

It's just as ridiculous the second time around. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.3.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @1.3.7    2 weeks ago
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Giving your 'enemy' unearned prestige isn't keeping them close. 

How then do you do it?   

Nope.  But then he didn't under Obama either.
Trump has had 3 years that Obama didn't and has HELPED Russia screw Ukraine instead of helping Ukraine regain their territory. 

He helped Russia by giving the lethal aide Obama refused to?  You're really going to try to use that insanity?

Nope.  But then President Trump HAS provided the lethal aide to fight back which Obama refused to do, even against the advice of his military advisers.
You mean the 'lethal aide' that Trump ordered the OMB to withhold for so long that the Congress had to re-appropriate the funding?

The lethal aide the Ukraine has in point of fact received that Obama DENIED and has actually helped in having Russians retreat from occupied territory.

See my first reply.
It's just as ridiculous the second time around. 

Then don't read or respond to it.  See how easy that is?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
1.3.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.2    2 weeks ago
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

So the more journalists, political adversaries, dissenters and Americans soldiers Putin kills or pays to have killed the friendlier we should be with him? You can only find this in conservative Republican bizarro world where up is down, confederates are good, BLM is bad, a serial adulterer is conservative Christians moral compass and where they want to reward and snuggle up to a vile dictator who is literally paying to have American soldiers killed. 

 
 
 
Dulay
1.3.10  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.8    2 weeks ago
How then do you do it?

Trump has been Kim's pen pal and has had more phone calls with Putin than he's had press conferences. 

He helped Russia by giving the lethal aide Obama refused to? 

Yes. 

You're really going to try to use that insanity?

What's insane is pretending that Trump has done anything to curb Russians illegal occupation of Crimea. 

The lethal aide the Ukraine has in point of fact received that Obama DENIED and has actually helped in having Russians retreat from occupied territory.

Russia is still in Crimea. Putin built a bridge that connects Crimea directly to Russia. They are under siege. 

Then don't read or respond to it.  See how easy that is?

It was attached to the rest of your 'insights'. /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.3.11  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3.8    2 weeks ago

You oh so profoundly said that Putin has no soul.

Your murdering thug hero tRump has no soul.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.3.12  Ozzwald  replied to  XDm9mm @1.3    2 weeks ago
EXACTLY what was he supposed to do? 

Sanctions?  Political pressure?  Bring it up in the U.N.?  Tell Putin he won't swallow until Putin removes the bounties.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.4  Adam_Selene  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    2 weeks ago

Never  forget who Putin was/is. He is not now, never was, and never will be a friend to the US.

Knowing he would get no push back from the present limp administration, Putin finally found an opportunity to get even for Operation_Cyclone.   

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4    2 weeks ago
Never  forget who Putin was/is. He is not now, never was, and never will be a friend to the US.

But it was President Obama that told then President Medvedev to tell Vlad he would have more leeway after the election.

So, who was Obama pandering to?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

But Obama.....!. Another one that want's to deflect from the fact that Putin has an operational asset in the Oval Office.....

Seems the man is still living rent free right between your ears XD.....

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.3  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.2    2 weeks ago
Seems the man is still living rent free right between your ears XD.....

Hell no.  That nightmare was evicted in 2017 when he was booted out of the White House.   Only occasional bad dreams come out now.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.4.4  Adam_Selene  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.1    2 weeks ago

I thought it was Bush 2 who said he was able to look into Putin's sou l.

 
 
 
Krishna
1.4.5  Krishna  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4    2 weeks ago
Never  forget who Putin was/is. He is not now, never was, and never will be a friend to the US.

Tell that to Dear Leader!

(On secoind thought, save your breath. For some reason that not many people know, Putin "has something" on Trump-- and Trump avoids doing anything that will piss off his"puppet-master" Vlad

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4.4    2 weeks ago
I thought it was Bush 2 who said he was able to look into Putin's sou l.

Yes he did say that.  When he uttered those words I asked "What soul?"  

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.7  Texan1211  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4    2 weeks ago

Gee, maybe Trump should start a war with Russia so all the dire predictions Democrats made about a Trump Administration will finally come true in regards to getting us into a war.

Would that satisfy the left?

or will they still find something to whine and cry about?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.8  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.7    2 weeks ago

Gee.... maybe Trump shouldn't give a blow job to Putin by getting Russia back into the G7 when they give money to promote the killing of our soldiers.

That would satisfy those of us that care about this country.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.9  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.6    2 weeks ago

So profound. 

 
 
 
loki12
1.4.10  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.3    2 weeks ago

Weird that they loved Russia and the 80’s wanted their foreign policy back when Obama was president, once trump was elected the suddenly became patriots?  The worthless doucebag democrats in Congress have done nothing but try to invalidate an election that they can’t accept that they lost.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
1.4.11  Adam_Selene  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.7    2 weeks ago

Trump would never start a war with Russia. He needs Putin to find him a new bride from one of the former Soviet countries.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.12  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.8    2 weeks ago

Didn't you learn in 2012 that Russia isn't much of a threat?

That would satisfy those of us that care about this country.

Were you satisfied we gave Iran back its money to finance terrorism?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.13  Tessylo  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4.11    2 weeks ago

Yes, once the turd is out of office, Melania is going to kick his ugly big fat sloppy ass to the curb and write a tell all book.

Then tRump can go to Russia and get peed on by underage prostitutes to his hearts' content.  

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.14  Texan1211  replied to  Adam_Selene @1.4.11    2 weeks ago

Right.

I'll put that one up on the shelf with all the other crackpot, idiotic, insane, ridiculous theories.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.15  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.12    2 weeks ago

Were you satisfied we gave Iran back its money to finance terrorism?

Here's another one pushing the conservative conspiracy......

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/

Were you satisfied that Trump paved the way for Iran to start it's journey to build a nuclear weapon when he pulled us out of the international treaty that was working, even by conservative standards?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-nuclear-deal-is-working/   

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.16  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.15    2 weeks ago

"Here's another one pushing the conservative conspiracy......

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/

Were you satisfied that Trump paved the way for Iran to start it's journey to build a nuclear weapon when he pulled us out of the international treaty that was working, even by conservative standards?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-nuclear-deal-is-working/"

tRump just had to make sure to obliterate every single thing that President Obama put in place.

He is so insanely jealous of him.

It's pathetic and deplorable.  

It's pathological

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.17  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.16    2 weeks ago
Were you satisfied that Trump paved the way for Iran to start it's journey to build a nuclear weapon when he pulled us out of the international treaty that was working,

Were YOU satisfied when then President Obama did not present the Iran DEAL to the United States Senate for approval as a TREATY as he knew it was as useless a used toilet paper and NEVER would have been ratified?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.18  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.15    2 weeks ago
pulled us out of the international treaty

There never was a TREATY.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.19  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.18    2 weeks ago

None the less..... Iran silenced its refining operations to the satisfaction of the IAEA, and that serves everyone in the region.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.4.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.15    2 weeks ago

John Kerry said he knew some of the money would go to terrorist groups.

If Kerry can admit the obvious, why can't you?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.21  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.4.20    2 weeks ago

John Kerry said he knew some of the money would go to terrorist groups.

I'm sure it did....

The world knows that Trump kowtows to Putin at almost every turn.... why can't you admit to that?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.22  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.19    2 weeks ago
and that serves everyone in the region.

Short term solution to a long term problem.  The "deal" never stopped Iran, it simply slowed them down a little, except of course when they cheated.

List of the Cons of the Iran Nuclear Deal

1. It would not stop Iran from becoming a nuclear state in the future.
Critics of the Iran nuclear deal have concerns about the fact that this accord still allows the country to establish a robust nuclear infrastructure. In a perfect world, it would prevent the development of warheads and enrichment for only a decade. With no guarantees that another accord could be reached once this one expired, the framework frees up assets that Iran can use immediately while it can still process uranium using older equipment.

Instead of stopping the nuclear program and the potential for escalation, the Iran nuclear deal slows it down.

2. There are loopholes in place that allow Iran to find ways to cheat.
The inspections process included in the Iran nuclear deal provides the country with plenty of time to make it appear as if they are in visual compliance with the accord. We already know how effective the leadership is at hiding these elements of their enrichment program during previous U.N. inspections.

Even if the imminent threat of a modern nuclear program necessitated the deal in the first place, the final structure of it allows Iran to continue working without consequence. Iran has a long record of violating international agreements, doing so at least three times in 2017. The IAEA caught the country operating an advanced IR-5 nuclear centrifuge despite their obligations to do the opposite.

3. Iran was still testing missiles after signing the agreement.
After the signing of the Iran nuclear deal, there were domestic ballistic missile tests that were seen as provocative acts by the United States and the UK as being a breach of the accord’s terms. Iran states that the missiles were not designed to carry nuclear warheads, so they didn’t violate the deal with their actions. There will always be a basic doubt that the leadership of the country will ever abandon their dreams of nuclear capability, which is why critics say that a political deal that gives Iran more money is a bad idea.

“The Iran agreement betrayed America’s core values by emboldening a regime that was guilty of the full trifecta of being at once the world’s foremost sponsor of terrorism, a brutal oppressor of its own people, and aiding and abetting genocide in Syria while promising a genocide of the Jews in Israel,” wrote Shmuley Boteach for The Jerusalem Post in 2018.

Source:  https://connectusfund.org/20-key-pros-and-cons-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal

The belief by some that the Obama/Iran deal stopped Iran from becoming a nuclear power is absurd.  He did nothing but delay the possibility until he was out of office and would leave it to another to deal with the consequences of his actions or lack thereof.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.23  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.15    2 weeks ago
Here's another one pushing the conservative conspiracy......

Why not simply address what I actually wrote, instead of what you think or wanted me to write?

I said nothing about any exact amount, and I acknowledged that it was Iran's money we were holding.

How fucking lazy and intellectually DISHONEST.

[Deleted]

 
 
 
loki12
1.4.24  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.21    2 weeks ago

Trump kowtows to Putin? [Deleted]

Putin bombed a US base while Obama was President, his response was to stop swallowing. That’s your president.

Putin thought he could do the same to trump, trumps response was to immediately bomb a Russian base killing 300 Russians.

the lesson here is Obama was Putins cockholster trump isn’t.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
1.4.25  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.21    2 weeks ago

Great, so we are on the same page.  Iran killed American troops, put bounties on our soldiers and Obama rewarded them with funds for terrorism. And you are fine with that. 

Again, if you've been paying attention, I have no problem saying Trump should be tougher on Russia. But if you think Trump "kowtows" to Putin after putting additional sanctions on Russia, arming the Ukrainains after Obama gave them pillows, I guess you call Obama Putin's catamite?

Your problem is the facts are slapping you in the face. Iran put bounties on US troops and neither you, nor the Obama administration think that called for getting tougher with Iran. Instead, the opposite occurred. So your supposed anger over Trump merely saying Russia should be back in the G7 is as transparent as a window.  And by any objective standard, Trump has been tougher on Russia than Obama, who among other things,  refused to arm Ukraine when it was attacked and told the NSC wto stand down when they wanted to push back in the summer of 2016 when they learned Russia was interfering in the 2016 election.

Tough day for you.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.26  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.23    2 weeks ago

I did.... you just didn't like having you nose rubbed in the truth.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.27  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.26    2 weeks ago

deleted

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.28  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.15    2 weeks ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.4.29  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.26    2 weeks ago

What truth have you presented here?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.30  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.26    2 weeks ago
I did.... you just didn't like having you nose rubbed in the truth.

Please alert the community when you decide to post something honest.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.31  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.29    2 weeks ago
What truth have you presented here?

Precious little. Most of it is just lazy lies, regurgitating Democratic Party propaganda.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.32  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.22    2 weeks ago

Do you remember one of our former members Einstein Insanity by chance?

It just happened that he was a British inspector for the IAEA, and we debated the the topic here on NT.  It was pretty heated as you might expect.  The bottom line is that the deal did stop Iran from refining beyond 21% which was key for a ten year period of time to where the mistrust between all parties could be reduced to where additional progress could be made.  That alone was worth the time of achieving the agreement.  And verified progress was being made per the IAEA reports.  

Trump came in, and put a match to all of that, and for what?  Your talking points of missile testing and the like ring totally hollow when the real issue was preventing Iran from producing a nuclear weapon.  I know you have to toe the Trump talking points.... what else could we possibly expect.

All this being said..... Lets get back to the topic of the Russian asset in the WH that cares more about protecting confederate statues than he does about protecting American soldiers.....    

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.33  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.4.25    2 weeks ago
Not even close in comparison Sean.  The west got Iran to limit it's refining operation to 21% enrichment which benefitted the region.
So back to the topic of this seed and why you continue to support the Russian asset in the WH at all costs?

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.34  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.18    2 weeks ago

Of course there was no treaty.

But it sure sounds good to lie and say there was--to a select few who refuse to recognize reality and truth.

Why do so many seem intent on still proving Reagan was right?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.35  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Texan1211 @1.4.31    2 weeks ago

Really.... do I need to post the video of Trump wanting to have Russia in the G7 while Putin is paying money for dead American Soldiers?

Seems like you have the problem with convenience of truth in order to defend the Russian asset in the WH..... Have you no shame?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.36  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.32    2 weeks ago
Do you remember one of our former members Einstein Insanity by chance?

Nope.

It just happened that he was a British inspector for the IAEA, and we debated the the topic here on NT.  It was pretty heated as you might expect.  The bottom line is that the deal did stop Iran from refining beyond 21% which was key for a ten year period of time to where the mistrust between all parties could be reduced to where additional progress could be made.  That alone was worth the time of achieving the agreement.  And verified progress was being made per the IAEA reports.  

What is never mentioned when speaking about that is that IF Iran permitted inspectors in, they had to provide warning providing Iran time to 'clean up any to be inspected area' and there were installations that were "off limits" to inspectors.  The vast majority of those glowing IAEA reports were of Iran SELF REPORTING.  And of course everything that Iran reports HAS to be honest and factual, right?   

Trump came in, and put a match to all of that, and for what?  Your talking points of missile testing and the like ring totally hollow when the real issue was preventing Iran from producing a nuclear weapon.  I know you have to toe the Trump talking points.... what else could we possibly expect.

My talking points?  Hell man, I was responding to YOUR absurd post about treaties that didn't exist and provided factual evidence that the DEAL did not stop Iran, it simply slowed them down a little bit, permitting them to get their economy back on track and then they would have the capability to build whatever the hell they damn well pleased.

All this being said..... Lets get back to the topic of the Russian asset in the WH that cares more about protecting confederate statues than he does about protecting American soldiers.....    

So, you want to post more "I hate Trump" bullshit theories.  Got it!!

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.37  Texan1211  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.35    2 weeks ago

You have posted so much stuff you just know is right, but the truth is, it isn't.

There was no treaty. A blatant lie. No matter how much you spin it, that is what you claimed, and most people can see that. The ones who can't are simply in denial or don't care anything about truth.

I posted something about giving Iran its money back which we were holding, and you counter with some insane gibberish about some conservative theory.

I'm glad you seem to know lots of things.

I just wish that what you knew was true.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.38  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.29    2 weeks ago
What truth have you presented here?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.39  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.26    2 weeks ago

Truth - everything you're saying, is SPOT ON.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.4.40  Texan1211  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.36    2 weeks ago
What is never mentioned when speaking about that is that IF Iran permitted inspectors in, they had to provide warning providing Iran time to 'clean up any to be inspected area' and there were installations that were "off limits" to inspectors.  The vast majority of those glowing IAEA reports were of Iran SELF REPORTING.  And of course everything that Iran reports HAS to be honest and factual, right?   

To your point:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iran-breached-the-nuclear_b_9977768

Iran has been proving they won't abide with agreement.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/...

https://freebeacon.com/national-security/report...

https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/iaea-iran-safeguards-report-analysis

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.41  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.39    2 weeks ago
Truth - everything you're saying, is SPOT ON.

Except when it's not.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.42  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.41    2 weeks ago

I trust Fly.  He is beyond reproach.  

You?

LOL!

How is Reggin doing?  I haven't seen him around.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.43  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1.4.35    2 weeks ago
Really.... do I need to post the video of Trump wanting to have Russia in the G7 while Putin is paying money for dead American Soldiers?

Do I need to post the video of Obama telling Medvedev to tell "Vlad" he'll have more leeway after the next election?

Oh, and as to that paying a bounty bullshit, you CAN provide absolute validated proof of that happening and of President Trump being notified of that, right?  You CAN do that can't you?  Or are we to take the word of yet more "unnamed, anonymous, unverified sources" that the New York Times has pulled out of thin air?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.44  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.43    2 weeks ago

But, but, but President Obama

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XDm9mm
1.4.45  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.42    2 weeks ago
How is Reggin doing?  I haven't seen him around.

Who or what is Reggin?   You asked the other day and I still have no idea what you're blathering about.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.46  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.43    2 weeks ago

These bounties that the 'president' knew about, are yet one more treasonous act from the traitor in chief.

  

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XDm9mm
1.4.47  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.44    2 weeks ago
But, but, but President Obama giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47f9bb7729464e488dacfb2844a294405fc4482da1&rid=giphy.gif

Are you inferring that Obama is dead?  When did that happen?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.48  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.45    2 weeks ago

Sure you don't.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.49  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.47    2 weeks ago

President Obama is not the topic yet the tRumpsters always deflect to President Obama or Hillary or . . . anything other than the subject at hand, this treasonous traitorous scum of a 'president' tRump.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.50  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.49    2 weeks ago
President Obama is not the topic yet the tRumpsters always deflect to President Obama or Hillary or

Just presenting the facts.  If you or any others don't like them, take them up with the historians....  and the videos.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.51  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.50    2 weeks ago

What facts?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.52  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.51    2 weeks ago
What facts?

Number 1 - Do I need to post the video of Obama telling Medvedev to tell "Vlad" he'll have more leeway after the next election?

Number 2- There never was a TREATY.

Number 3- The "deal" never stopped Iran, it simply slowed them down a little, except of course when they cheated.

You asked, I answered.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.53  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.52    2 weeks ago

Don't bother.

The subject isn't President Obama.  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.4.54  XDm9mm  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.53    2 weeks ago
Don't bother.

One must then surmise that facts and the truth don't appeal to you.  Great to know.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4.55  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.54    2 weeks ago

You surmise incorrectly, as usual.  

When you provide some actual facts, I'll let YOU know.

 
 
 
lib50
1.4.56  lib50  replied to  XDm9mm @1.4.54    2 weeks ago

Wow, you just wasted a whole lot of words on a different topic.  Don't have a valid defense of Trump being either ok with or so incompetent he didn't listen to a briefing (or is LYING)?  Are you ok with Putin offering bounties on American troops to Afghan militants?  If not, what do you think about Trump's response or lack of knowing?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.4.57  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.13    2 weeks ago

I think she will take Baron and try to live outside of the limelight so she can try to undo the psychological damage caused by his father.

 
 
 
bbl-1
1.4.58  bbl-1  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.4.57    2 weeks ago

Baron was raised with his first language being Slovenian.  He also has dual citizenship.  US and Slovenian.  The financial arrangement Melania renegotiated in 2018 with Trump is---hefty.  The three urchin Trump children will not like it when she flees---with her son and the cash to the safe haven of Slovenia.  Look for the urchins to sue and wait for them to lose.

 
 
 
dennis smith
1.4.59  dennis smith  replied to  Tessylo @1.4.44    2 weeks ago

Is Obama really dead?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.60  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @1.4.10    2 weeks ago

Let's clear your  comment up.....Exactly who loved Russia in the 1980s comrade?

As you're once again covering Trumps ass... you are on the side of Russia and against American troops.  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
1.4.61  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.29    2 weeks ago

Hi Greg... right on time.

What, are you too choosing to cover Trumps' ass and that of Russia's over American Troops?  Actually, I never figured you would do anything else so there, so no surprise.

 
 
 
Krishna
2  Krishna    2 weeks ago

I wonder how Trump is going to defend this?

(Probably doesn't matter-- the mindless groupies in his will believe anything he says..or doesn't say!)

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Krishna @2    2 weeks ago

You notice Krishna, this seed has been up for 18 hours.... where are all the Trump Lovers?

 
 
 
Krishna
2.1.1  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1    2 weeks ago

You notice Krishna, this seed has been up for 18 hours.... where are all the Trump Lovers?

Probably most of them are smart enough to realize that these "true facts" are tough to argue with.

But they can still use their usual strategies.

1. Blame "Fake News". "The Media" (for some strange reason, many of them don't know that Fox News is media! Go figure...weird).

2. Attempt to derail the conversation by bringing up some figure who no longer is in power and can't affect the situation. (To deflect the conversation away from someone who is currently in power and can have an impact).

For example, the current president of the USA of course does have a lot of power, so instead they bring up and obsess about someone else-- someone who is no longer in office.and no longer has any power.

Their favourite is usually Hillary, but sometimes Obama, (I'm wondering when they'll get tired of that, and try to convince us its all JFK's fault-- or FDR. (Or maybe President Tyler, or Harrison or... Calvin Coolidge?)

And of blaming the media, Hillary, or Obama is their favourite derail-- no matter what the topic is!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Krishna @2.1.1    2 weeks ago
2. Attempt to derail the conversation by bringing up some figure who no longer is in power and can't affect the situation. (To deflect the conversation away from someone who is currently in power and can have an impact).
But....the lefties hereabouts don't want to hear about and have to defend their bumbling presidents and wannabes like Hillary and Biden, so they call it a deflection, and try to make their seeds become echo chambers for lies and misinformation.

 
 
 
lib50
2.1.3  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

But Hillary. But Biden. But lefties.

How about what about Trump allowing Putin to offer bounties on American troops?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  lib50 @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

Are you really friggin' serious??????

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1    2 weeks ago

Here is one. Trump and the VP and others say they never got briefed on that and you know that there are records of all the briefings, so they wouldn't be saying that if there was evidence to the contrary. On the other side of this is the New York Times with their unnamed sources AGAIN!

As far as I'm concerned this is yet another mammoth media lie.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
2.1.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.5    2 weeks ago

Good morning Mr. Qanon, I hope you had a pleasant weekend.

Don't worry yourself too much having to protect the liar-in-chief. A person with your level of curiosity shouldn't mind if a congressional hearing or two is initiated on the subject.  I think Liz Cheney is up for it.  Others in the senate will most likely take this up too. That should help clear things up for everyone except hard core conspiracy theorists.    

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.1.6    2 weeks ago
A person with your level of curiosity shouldn't mind if a congressional hearing or two is initiated on the subject.  I think Liz Cheney is up for it. 

She is demanding it. I, with my level of curiosity, am doing what I always do - trying to verify everything the New York Times says. I have a hunch that I will be doing the next article on this claim. I look forward to hearing from you then.

"Fair Winds"...

 
 
 
Snuffy
3  Snuffy    2 weeks ago

Perhaps you should read up on Operation Cyclone.

With that said,  also it should be remembered that nations do not have friends they have interests. Find the interest for wanting to bring Russa back into the G7 and you find more understanding.  Or don't research and continue to mindlessly blame the current administration. I just hope that you remember that someone once said that Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same damn coin.

 
 
 
Ender
3.1  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @3    2 weeks ago

So you think give Russia what they want and they will play nice?

 
 
 
Snuffy
3.1.1  Snuffy  replied to  Ender @3.1    2 weeks ago

do you really think that's the interest in the thought process behind bringing Russa back into the G7?  something so simple and banal?  damn...  Or maybe it is that simple.  I don't know, never said I did.  All I said was do the research or don't bother and continue to blame the current administration.  No skin off my nose regardless of what you do. Only real problem is on you because eventually this administration will end and you will need to find someone or something new to blame. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.2  Ender  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

So you don't know what his thought process is or the reasoning behind it.

Then basically say I am just looking for anything to blame on donald.

Gotcha.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.1.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Why reward Putin and Russia for bad behavior by letting them back into the G7?

Crimea annex, military operations in Ukraine, shooting down of airliners, cutting US military presence in Europe, and now Russian bounties on US Soldiers....Sure these are all things to reward Russia for.

Here's the real question to you snuffy..... Why is Trump the only one of the G7 pushing for Russia to be back in that group.  The rest have rejected the idea.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.4  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.1.3    2 weeks ago
Why is Trump the only one of the G7 pushing for Russia to be back in that group.

I can tell you this: many people are saying that  Putin is his "Puppet Master"-- in the case of Trump-- Putin pulls the strings!

That I can tell you.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.2  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @3    2 weeks ago
Find the interest for wanting to bring Russa back into the G7 and you find more understanding. 

Excellent comment-- voted up!

And as you mentioned, there's a lot fo interest in bringing Russia back into the G7-- a lot of interest coming from-- our Dear Leader!!! (So please don't deny it).

Trump Says 'Common Sense' To Invite Russia to G7

"The problem is many of the things that we talk about are about Putin, so we're just sitting around wasting time because then you have to finish your meeting and somebody has to call Putin or deal with Putin on different things.

And I say have him in the room," Trump said.

Russia was expelled from the G8 in 2014 after it invaded and illegally annexed Crimea from Ukraine. Moscow has simultaneously supported separatists in parts of eastern Ukraine in a conflict that has claimed more than 13,000 lives

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Krishna @3.2    2 weeks ago

Well, he could give Putin a "stern warning", or impose some kind of sanctions that Putin will ignore.

Or Trump start war with Russian...that'll show him!

 
 
 
lib50
3.2.2  lib50  replied to  Greg Jones @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Looks like the best gift Trump gave Putin is the green light.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lib50 @3.2.2    2 weeks ago

In a red light district.  The yellow is the stripe down his back.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.3  Krishna  replied to  Snuffy @3    2 weeks ago
Perhaps you should read up on Operation Cyclone.

No.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @3    2 weeks ago

So our actions in Operation Cyclone that led to the eaths of Soviet invasion forces justifies Trump to ignore bounties paid by the Russians to kill our Soldiers.... Tit for tat Eh?

Is that how you think this makes everything okay?

 
 
 
Snuffy
3.4.1  Snuffy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.4    2 weeks ago

how in the hell did you pull any of that out of my comment where I said to read up on Operation Cyclone?  In no way did I even hint about any such thing. It seems like you are just making bullshit up to try to score points. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @3.4.1    2 weeks ago

Then why did you even bring up Operation Cyclone then? I remember it, and as you didn't make any specific point, the only logical thing to be gleaned from your post is that you were okay with the payback by Russia on our troops.

You have the floor to make your point..... Have at it. 

 
 
 
Snuffy
3.4.3  Snuffy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.4.2    2 weeks ago

Ok,  the point of this seed was that while a Russian intelligence unit was offering (supposedly) cash rewards to the Taliban for the killing of American solders President Trump was also talking about bringing Russia back into the G7. 

I countered with Operation Cyclone which was to point out that during the Soviet-Afghan war (Dec 25, 1979 - Feb 15, 1989) the two countries were still interacting on the world stage and still did business.  During Operation Cyclone the CIA did support the mujahideen with both arms as well as cash. And the mujahideen did use this to kill Soviet troops.  

Major US - Soviet interactions during the Soviet-Afghan war:
  Nov 1985 - 1st Reagan - Gorbachev summit
  Oct 1986 - 2rd Reagan - Gorbachev summit (almost agree on nuclear weapon elimination)
  Dev 1987 - 3rd Reagan - Gorbachev summit : Signed the INF treaty

It seems like the point you are making is that 'How dare Trump try to be friendly to Russia when they are paying to kill US solders'.  And I countered with Operation Cyclone and tried to make the point that nations don't have friends, they have interests. Countries will do all sorts of things while at the same time still attempting to do harmful things.  Hell,  who was the largest trading partner of Germany in 1941?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @3.4.3    2 weeks ago

Okay, I'll acknowledge your tact.  

Now to you..... of what possible benefit to the US would it be to reward Putin with G7 readmission when Russia still occupies the Crimea, still has technical and funds the separatists in Ukraine, and now as found out, funds the Taliban bounties?  Then numbers don't add up Tex.  Talking and negotiation is fine, but rewarding for nothing in return.....? 

Besides, pulling our troops out of Germany and pulling out of NATO does NOT help America in any way, and only plays to help Putin and Russia.  These are constant talking points for this administration. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.4.5  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.4.4    2 weeks ago

You problem is that you think that Putin is somehow being rewarded by the G7 readmission. I doubt that "getting tough" with Putin will change his behavior one bit. Harsh words and sabre rattling by Trump is not going to scare Putin and make him undo his past aggression, as you appear to think. Better to have him in the loop where he may have to negotiate if shown a united front against this actions

And why should we still have troops and bases in Germany? Those European bastards need to provide for their own defense.

 
 
 
Snuffy
3.4.6  Snuffy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @3.4.4    2 weeks ago
Now to you..... of what possible benefit to the US would it be to reward Putin with G7 readmission when Russia still occupies the Crimea, still has technical and funds the separatists in Ukraine, and now as found out, funds the Taliban bounties?  Then numbers don't add up Tex.  Talking and negotiation is fine, but rewarding for nothing in return.....? 

You seem to imply that everything must balance up as if on a ledger sheet. My position is that government and international relations is to large and multi-faceted for a simple balance of accounts. Russia still occupies the Crimea and still funds the separatists in the Ukraine but Trump is also providing weapons to Ukraine as well.  This is the nature of the cold war with the two powers fighting thru a proxy rather than directly as a direct war could escalate too large as both powers have nuclear weapons.

And funds the Taliban bounties...   according to a NY Times article.  I don't know as I'm not in the intelligence circles and would not have access to any such information but then again this would not be the first time that the NY Times has constructed a story.  I have no proof one way or another so I don't know if it's true.  As I said before on the topic, countries have interests and will do things that normal people will not do. But if the story is true, then once again we have a criminal leak out of the National Security Counsel,  does this concern you?

Besides, pulling our troops out of Germany and pulling out of NATO does NOT help America in any way, and only plays to help Putin and Russia.  These are constant talking points for this administration. 

We have been reducing the number of troops stationed in Germany for many years for several reasons.  First there has been a drive to bring troops home for many years from many corners of the country. An additional reason is that western border of the Russian powers has moved many many miles east, so there are many more countries that Russia would have to fight thru in order to get troops into Germany. And we have moved some troops into Poland so as to have the trip-wire closer to the current Russian border. While we only have something like 5000 troops in Poland, it will take years to build up that infrastructure to host the US military.  Also the Romping Stomping Big Red Army no longer exists in it's past form.  At the height of the Cold War the Soviet Army was between 4 and 5 million men, today the Russian Army is about 766,000. When the Soviet Union dissolved the equipment was split between between Russia and the emerging states. Economic realities for Russia have impacted the ability to build new equipment.  So the danger to Europe is nowhere close to what it was prior to 1990.

One of the campaign promises that Trump made was to try to get the European countries to do more for their common defense. Germany for years has not spent the monies they promised to pay for their own self defense, instead relying on the US military to be it's watchdog so that it could instead spend that money on internal needs. Part of the threat by President Trump to reduce the US military presence is to try to get Germany to increase it's defense spending up to the level they have promised to meet. It's not like President Trump can march into the Bundestag and write their budgets, so this is one tool he has to try to get them to meet their promise. For many years the US has paid for the defense of Europe and President Trump is trying to get them to handle a more realistic portion of their own defense. I don't see any issue with that. But as said above, the danger to Europe today is nothing like it was prior to 1990.

But as I said, Russia also has a sizable nuclear weapons force. That has a large tendency to screw up any attempt to balance the equation. So from watching the world over all the years that I've been alive,  any interaction between such countries normally takes several strange twists and turns to reduce contention and avoid the potential of greater harm. Life would be so much simpler if such weapons systems had never been created but they do exist and as such they must be included in every calculation.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4.7  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Greg Jones @3.4.5    2 weeks ago
You problem is that you think that Putin is somehow being rewarded by the G7 readmission.

And do your best to describe how this isn't elevating Putin if he is reinstated to the G7 without having to return the Crimea, or stop supporting the separatists in Ukraine....  

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
3.4.8  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Snuffy @3.4.6    2 weeks ago
You seem to imply that everything must balance up as if on a ledger sheet.

Don't take my word for it.... I think the rest of the EU is pretty much good with holding Putin and Russia accountable for their actions too.

Snuffy... this is a binary choice.  You either choose to come out on the side of our American soldiers, or you are on the side of Trump, Putin and Russia.  There is no middle ground here.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4  Sean Treacy    2 weeks ago

Real leadership is giving a country a path to a nuclear bomb and billions in cash after they kill American troops in Afghanistan. Right?

I have no problem criticizing Russia. Or trumps response to Russia. He’s obviously been much tougher on them then Obama, but not as tough I would like. This just demonstrates yet again how foolish Obama was to attack Romney for calling Russia a threat to our security and ordering a stand down when Russia began interfering in our election.  

 Yet those who are apparently so mad about this  were perfectly happing propping up the Iranian regime that killed American troops. Go head and defend that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 weeks ago

Iran also gave bounties for the killing of American troops in Afghanistan

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1    2 weeks ago

Two posts Sean, and you've managed to criticize everyone else for everything else.    

This is happening in the here and now.  Crimea annexation by force, Russian military operations in Ukraine, passenger jet shootdown by Russian supported militia, and now bounties paid by Russia on US Military personnel.  You say you have no problem criticizing Russia and Trump under the circumstances.  All I have to say is..... When?

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MUVA
4.1.2  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Crimea was annexed during Obama's term. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.3  MUVA  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

You have to be kidding I have to find your comment on killing Soleimani.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.4  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

But Russia got ejected from the G7 didn't they.\? Your little buddy in the WH want's him back in the club while ignoring bounties being paid on American soldiers.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
4.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  MUVA @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

Crimea was annexed during Obama's term. 

how exactly does that excuse Trump ? As he delayed sanctions on Russia, and has been wanting to lift them, and all the while, Russia was paying bounties for DEAD AMERICANS in Afghanastan, and TRUMP KNEW !  There is NO PASS the buck WTF, call Trump out for once, as EVERYONE should not have a problem, having a problem, with THIS

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
ing in the here and now.  Crimea annexation by force, Russian military

As MUVA points out you are mentioning things that happened years ago as the "hear and now," so I have no idea what point you think you are making other than completely avoiding what I wrote.  T

Iran killed Americans in Afghanistan and gave bounties to the Taliban. That's a fact. Then  Obama gave them a billion in cash in the middle of the night and path to a nuclear weapon. More  money to kill Americans!  Did that bother you? Did you attack Obama for it? (Just being polite, we both know the answer to that).  Because if it didn't you are just being a partisan hack feigning outrage because It's Trump who did something, not Obama for doing the exact same thing.  Obama's outreach to a regime that gave money to the Taliban to kill Americans was a helluva lot more substantial than simply saying Russia should be back in the G7 and doing precisely nothing. 

ll I have to say is..... When?

Um...I just did. Trump's too soft on Russia and  should increase sanctions on Russia, yet again.  My position on Russia doesn't change with the Presidency, unlike the whiplash one gets from the Democrats as we've gone from the reset and mocking Romney for calling Russia a threat etc..etc..to suddenly deciding anyone (who is a Republican, I should add)  who talks to a Russian is a traitor as soon as Clinton lost.   

  But let's hear about you criticizing Obama for delivering pallets full of cash to a regime that gave money to the Taliban to kill American soldiers. I've never seen you offer anything but typical DNC approved talking points, so surprise me.   

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
This is happening in the here and now. 
Crimea annexation by force,

If memory serves me, that happened when Obama was President.

Russian military operations in Ukraine,

That also happened during the Obama tenure.  But unlike Obama, President Trump provided Ukraine the lethal aide Obama denied and hot diggety damn if Russians didn't start withdrawing when that happened.

passenger jet shootdown by Russian supported militia,

And was condemned.  Or are you saying we should go to war for that?

and now bounties paid by Russia on US Military personnel. 

Not that I approve of it, but I do need to ask you, did you suffer the same umbrage when we did that way back when in Afghanistan when the Russians were there? 

You say you have no problem criticizing Russia and Trump under the circumstances.  All I have to say is..... When?

And Trump has imposed more sanctions on Russia than anyone before him.   What else do you suggest?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.8  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.6    2 weeks ago

But Obama....!!!!!   Nothing but deflection Sean.

Again.... Just what has Putin done to earn being part of the G7?  Why would Trump even suggest it?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.9  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
Not that I approve of it, but I do need to ask you, did you suffer the same umbrage when we did that way back when in Afghanistan when the Russians were there?

Are you out of your mind....!  THESE ARE OUR KIDS, or do Russian soldiers rate more than ours with you?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

bama....!!!!!   Nothing but deflection Sean.

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I don't think any country that put out bounties on American soldiers should be rewarded. You do.   I'm still waiting to hear the Flynavy doctrine that justifies giving cash and a path to a nuke to a country that not only gave bounties to the Taliban for killing Americans, but killed Americans troops as well. Do Iranian soldiers rate more than our kids with you? 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.11  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.10    2 weeks ago

Again with the deflection from the matter at hand.

Go start your own seed on Iran and the nuke deal.

Stay on topic or be gone..... last warning.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.1.12  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.11    2 weeks ago

Sure, a country paying bounties to the Taliban to kill american soldiers is off topic in an article about a country paying bounties to the Taliban to kill american soldiers. 

That's what you have to resort to? Tough look for you.

My works done, I'll happily leave the thread. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.13  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, an Air Force veteran who served in Afghanistan and Iraq, tweeted that "Russia is not a partner, and not to be negotiated with" and that Trump "needs to immediately expose and handle this, and stop Russia's shadow war."

At least some of the Trump Fluffers know when to come down on the side of America and her military!!!!

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.14  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.12    2 weeks ago
Sure, a country paying bounties to the Taliban to kill american soldiers is off topic in an article about a country paying bounties to the Taliban to kill american soldiers. 

Your comments are hard to understand when you keep repeating yourself by repeating yourself!

When somethings not working, why not try something different-- instead of repeating whats not working perhaps try something different.

Instead of repeating yourself by repeating yourself?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.15  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Krishna @4.1.14    2 weeks ago

They can't argue in the here and now Krishna.... not when their hero is being shown to be the Russian lacky he is.... again.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.16  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.12    2 weeks ago
My works done, I'll happily leave the thread. 

No.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

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XDm9mm
4.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago
Are you out of your mind....!  THESE ARE OUR KIDS, or do Russian soldiers rate more than ours with you?

Again, what are we to do about it?  Oh, just for shits and giggles, I happened to have been in Afghanistan.   Where were you?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.7    2 weeks ago
If memory serves me, that happened when Obama was President.

"Only I can fix it" DJT. 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.20  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.17    2 weeks ago

They're really going to go after him on Twitter for this!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.1.21  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  XDm9mm @4.1.18    2 weeks ago

Look up FleetEx 83-1     What your are able to read about it online..... The CVN65, VS-37, and I were all there.  Pucker factor 10 out of 10.

While tracking a Delta III and her Sierra II escort, our little crew of four were locked on to by a pair of Su-15s, and were meat on the table.  We managed to hold both contacts till the F-14s chased the Flagons off.  Water temperature that time of year wasn't favorable to survival.  I'd say that comes close to being boots on the ground in Afghanistan..... Our squadron was flying either contact or barrier ASW Ops everyday along with doing ELINT missions to monitor Soviet responses during the operation.

You can download a PDF copy of the "USS ENTERPRISE COMMAND HISTORY 1983" here:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=1983+command+history+uss+enterprise&form=ANNTH1&refig=99ec426298814d1c9166bb447e8c19a4&sp=-1&pq=1983+command+history+uss+enterprise&sc=1-35&qs=n&sk=&cvid=99ec426298814d1c9166bb447e8c19a4

I've spent thirty years researching both sides of "the event".  FleetEx 83-1 was a big reason as to why the Soviets shot down KAL 007 in September of that same year.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.22  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @4.1.19    2 weeks ago
Only I can fix it" DJT. 

Well, after all, everyone knows that he the world's greatest expert on....everything!

Not to mention his great humility!

Oh, and BTW-- did I mention his great humility?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.1.23  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.13    2 weeks ago
needs to immediately expose and handle this, and stop Russia's shadow war."
And how will that be accomplished? All reasonable suggestions are welcomed

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.24  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.1.4    2 weeks ago

And brokering deals for Russia after being briefed about the bounties.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 weeks ago
He’s obviously been much tougher on them then Obama,

Obama is not tough on them at all...for several reasons!
Not the least of which is that Obama is no longer president!

(But then, you already knew that).

If you want to talk about people who no longer have any elected office-- what about Bush? Are you worried that he is less tough on the than Trump?

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 weeks ago
Real leadership is giving a country a path to a nuclear bomb and billions in cash after they kill American troops in Afghanistan. Right?

No.

(Once again that's the best answer IMO)

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Krishna @4.3    2 weeks ago

We all know Putin is murdering scum and tRump wants to be just like him.  

 
 
 
Krishna
4.3.2  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

Yes.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4    2 weeks ago
Go head and defend that.

Seriously Sean, why do you continue to regurgitate that bullshit? 

 
 
 
Krishna
4.4.1  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @4.4    2 weeks ago
Seriously Sean, why do you continue to regurgitate that bullshit?

I was wondering about that too. Does he actually know its bullshit and hopes he can get us to believe it?

OR

Does he actually believe it? Is he actually so gullible that he honestly believes its the truth?

(I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that yes--  he is being totally honest. Because strange as it  may seem to some of us, he actually does believe everything that Trump says!

(Not that there's anything wrong with that!)

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Krishna @4.4.1    2 weeks ago
he actually know its bullshit and hopes he can get us to believe it?

Oh...So now I'm an acceptable topic per fly, but Iran paying bounties to kill American soldiers is off topic on a topic about paying bounties to kill American soldiers.

What a surprise there's  no principle behind deciding what's on topic!  But since Fly reversed himself, I guess I'll help teach you and  point out what should be common knowledge. 

"U.S. military intelligence assessments detailed that Iran’s Quds Force shelled out cash for every American soldier killed or for every U.S. military vehicle destroyed."

https://www.militarytimes.com/flashpoints/2020/01/14/iran-support-to-the-taliban-which-has-included-manpads-and-a-bounty-on-us-troops-could-be-a-spoiler-for-peace-in-afghanistan/

You are wrong again! You should really try and look things up before embarrassing yourself. You should really avoid trying to make substantive points. It doesn't go well for you. 

No anger from any progressive about Iran putting bounties on American troops. Sad to see. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.3  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.2    2 weeks ago

https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/obama-didnt-give-iran-150-billion-in-cash/

Once again..... Stop with the lie about "Obama gave Iran Money"

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/the-nuclear-deal-is-working/

And as far as the international nuclear treaty with Iran.... Even one of your own said it was working....

Trump lies and turns everything to shit Sean... It's about time you learn that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.3    2 weeks ago

Stop with the lie about "Obama gave Iran Money"

Of course he did. 

There was no reason to give the money to Iran except Obama wanted his precious nuclear deal ...

You, of course, are avoiding the central point that Obama began dealing  with Iran after learning Iran paid bounties for killing Americans.  All Trump has done was make a suggestion..

Again, where is your anger over those bounties? 

n.... Even one of your own said it was working....

And numerous ones of your own opposed the deal...What does that have to do with Iran offering bounties to the Taliban to kill american troops?

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.5  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.3    2 weeks ago

BTW.... That IRAN Quid Force bounty on US forces dates back to 2010...... Hardly current events Sean.  Trump sucking off Putin.....again..... happened within the last two weeks. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
4.4.6  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.4    2 weeks ago

A bunch of countries wanted that treaty Sean..... 

Deflect all you want..... because you can't make a supportive argument worth a damn and you know it.

Go back over to Breitbart and sell  your BS to them.   The rest of the thinking world has already debunked your lies to death and moved on.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.7  Sean Treacy  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.6    2 weeks ago
unch of countries wanted that treaty Sean

So you are okay with Iran offering a bounty on American troops because "a bunch of countries wanted that treaty" 

So if a "bunch of countries" decide Russia should be back in the G7, you'd have no objection to their placing a bounty on American troops? 

That's your argument? 

The rest of the thinking world has already debunked your lies to death and moved on.

You haven't debunked shit, and you are probably smart enough to know it. You are just offering rationalizations  why it doesn't bother you that Obama ignored bounties on American troops. 

Which he did. And you did too. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.4.8  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.7    2 weeks ago

You should check out Parler also.

I'm sure that 'conservative' site will be to your liking.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
4.4.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.7    2 weeks ago

And, let's not forget that besides paying bounties,  Iran was  responsible for the deaths of 603 servicemen in Afghanistan.

And progressives didn't care when Obama started wooing Iran...

 
 
 
Greg Jones
4.4.10  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @4.4.3    2 weeks ago

It wasn't working. They were cheating the whole time.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.4.11  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @4.4.10    2 weeks ago

It was working.

But 'president' I'm insanely pathologically jealous of President Obama and had to obliterate it.   

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.4.12  Texan1211  replied to  Greg Jones @4.4.10    2 weeks ago
It wasn't working. They were cheating the whole time.

They won't ever believe it.

After all, the Great Obama Administration arranged the whole deal, so therefore it MUST be the greatest thing since the PPACA!!!

Facts and truth notwithstanding, of course!

 
 
 
Dulay
4.4.13  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.4    2 weeks ago
Of course he did. 

No he didn't Sean. 

There was no reason to give the money to Iran except Obama wanted his precious nuclear deal ...

Again, Obama didn't 'give the money to Iran' Sean. 

Secondly, the P5+1 negotiated the Iran nuclear deal. 

You, of course, are avoiding the central point that Obama began dealing  with Iran after learning Iran paid bounties for killing Americans. 

Well gee Sean, since Trump can claim that he wasn't briefed about the Russian bounties, how can you be so fucking sure that Obama was briefed about Iran's? 

All Trump has done was make a suggestion..

Trump backed out of the Iran deal. 

Again, where is your anger over those bounties? 

The same place Trump's anger is over Russia's bounties. 

n.... Even one of your own said it was working.... And numerous ones of your own opposed the deal...What does that have to do with Iran offering bounties to the Taliban to kill american troops?

You're whataboutism is noted Sean.

Where is YOUR anger over Trump blowing off Russia's bounties, ya know, the topic of the seed. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.4.14  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @4.4.13    2 weeks ago

They cannot stay on topic.

It's always deflection, projection, and denial.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.4.15  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.2    2 weeks ago

I thought you had said your piece.

I thought you were leaving.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.4.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @4.4.13    2 weeks ago

Give up.  Sean wants to piss on your leg and convince you that it is warm rain.

 
 
 
dennis smith
4.4.17  dennis smith  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.4.7    2 weeks ago

Obama claimed many times it would take more than 4 years to clean up the Bush mess.

Trump claims he needs more than 4 years to clean up the Obama mess. 

They are both right 

The next Potus of a different political party will say the same thing and on it goes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

'I have no problem criticizing Russia. Or trumps response to Russia. He’s obviously been much tougher on them then Obama, but not as tough I would like. This just demonstrates yet again how foolish Obama was to attack Romney for calling Russia a threat to our security and ordering a stand down when Russia began interfering in our election.'

When?

 
 
 
Gsquared
6  Gsquared    2 weeks ago

Russia has denied this U.S. Intelligence assessment.  As is his usual custom and practice, Trump will soon denounce the U.S. Intelligence agencies, and confirm that he believes the Russians.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1  Krishna  replied to  Gsquared @6    2 weeks ago

Yes.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
6.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Gsquared @6    2 weeks ago

And the Brits believe the intelligence viable.......  But Trump doesn't believe our allies.

 
 
 
Krishna
6.2.1  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.2    2 weeks ago
But Trump doesn't believe our allies.

President Bone Spur would rather believe Putin.

Why?

 
 
 
Gsquared
6.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @6.2    2 weeks ago

Trump considers Russia to be our (his) ally.  

 
 
 
lady in black
7  lady in black    2 weeks ago

[deleted] He's a lying POS, the WORST president in the history of this country

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
7.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  lady in black @7    2 weeks ago

No friend to the US Constitution, nor anyone in uniform.  Yet they still support him....

 
 
 
lady in black
7.1.1  lady in black  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1    2 weeks ago

It boggles my mind that anyone at all supports this lying POS...he's been caught in lie after lie and people twist every which way to defend him...sickening.....don't forget nothing is ever his fault doncha know, he's as pure as the driven snow.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.2  Krishna  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @7.1    2 weeks ago
No friend to the US Constitution, nor anyone in uniform.  Yet they still support him....

Actually I think that while many do, that's starting to change. Especially amongst older, wiser, and more experienced military. For example, a highly respected Marine Corps General such as James Mattis.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  lady in black @7.1.1    2 weeks ago
It boggles my mind that anyone at all supports this lying POS...he's been caught in lie after lie and people twist every which way to defend him...sickening.....don't forget nothing is ever his fault doncha know, he's as pure as the driven snow.

My mind has been in a constant state of bogglement.  I can't wait until November so I can de-boggle myself.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.2  Krishna  replied to  lady in black @7    2 weeks ago

Yes.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Krishna
8.1  Krishna  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

Double Yes-- with a Cherry on top!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
8.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

That's priceless Tess...!

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @8.2    2 weeks ago

Putin has him by his tiny little balls.

God I'd love to know the dirt he has on him.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.1    2 weeks ago

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Paula Bartholomew
8.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @8    2 weeks ago

Is he giving his puppet a wedgie?

 
 
 
Tessylo
9  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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FLYNAVY1
9.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Tessylo @9    2 weeks ago

All facts!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    2 weeks ago

Coming from you, that is a given.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
9.1.2  XDm9mm  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @9.1    2 weeks ago
All facts!

Except that even the Intelligence agencies note they never briefed Trump on any of this bullshit.  

 
 
 
r.t..b...
9.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  XDm9mm @9.1.2    2 weeks ago
Intelligence agencies note they never briefed Trump

Given the history of this administration, this makes perfect sense...why waste 'intelligence' on one who has no use for it. After all, he did take the word of an adversary over those same agencies way back in Helsinki. (speaking of intelligence, is that part of Russia?)

 
 
 
loki12
9.1.4  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @9.1.3    2 weeks ago

You mean the ones run by Clapper and Brennan?  And only Clappers said the russians interfered to help trump, you knew this right?  Please tell me you still don't believe the 17 intelligence agency bullshit?

 
 
 
Ronin2
10  Ronin2    2 weeks ago

This has to be the stupidest seed ever.

First of all from the article itself- once again unnamed "sources" within the administration leaking to an ever eager press will to take any negative spin; and if it isn't there the press make it up themselves.

The officials who shared the intelligence did not explain the Trump administration’s delayed response — though normalizing relations with Russia was a key part of Trump’s campaign for office.

Next is this lovely tidbit of misinformation.

American and Afghan officials have long said that Russia was supporting the Taliban, but the revelation was the first time Russia had been accused of sponsoring armed attacks against American and NATO troops.

They didn't just start this last year. Anyone that follows history knows the US supported the Taliban and Al Qaeda against the Russian occupation funneling money, weapons, and training their way. Why is everyone shocked that Russia has been doing the same damn thing after we occupied Afghanistan?  I am willing to take all bets Russia did it all throughout the Bush Jr and Obama administrations as well. Both of them knew about it and did jack shit about it. They were busy poking the Russian bear elsewhere.

This is all part of the new tit for tat proxy cold war we have going on with Russia. Get used to it unless you want to fight WWIII. 

The faux indignation from the left is hilarious. 

But Trruuummmmppppp!!!!!

Cry us all a river.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
10.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Ronin2 @10    2 weeks ago
I am willing to take all bets Russia did it all throughout the Bush Jr and Obama administrations as well.  I'm sure your are more than willing to think that as a way to defend Trump and his Russian handler Putin.
Why is everyone shocked that Russia has been doing the same damn thing after we occupied Afghanistan?  No, what we are shocked about is Trump still b-jobbing Putin by trying to get him back into the G7 with this happening, and people like you thinking that's all okay.
Cry us all a river......  Tell that to parents or spouses when these soldiers come back in flagged draped coffins Ronin.  Indignation.???? These are my brothers and sisters in arms.  These are our kids.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
11  Mark in Wyoming    2 weeks ago

Sorry , but to me this is starting to smell an awful lot like a Steele file type thing , and a potential election tampering attempt as has been claimed in the past. I do find it funny how these types of things always come up around major election times and someone always takes the bait , useful idiots .

Only thing missing is NK and the axis of evil would be complete,  But that one is still up in the air , have to wait and see what Jr bird man/ woman there has up his/her sleeve.

I cant help forgetting that the best espionage capers is messing with an opponents intelligence services letting them think they have found out something is happening when something else entirely is going on.

With that I will withdraw , finish my rockey patel Undercrown , and my  Walker black label ,neat ,and head to bed.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
11.1  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @11    2 weeks ago
I'm betting this one is going to have legs Mark.... Enjoy the Black Label and your evening.

 
 
 
Tessylo
12  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Paula Bartholomew
12.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @12    2 weeks ago

Oh snap!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
13  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

Now Trump is saying that no one told him about this.

 
 
 
Tessylo
13.1  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @13    2 weeks ago

So which is it, HE KNOWS EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW, MORE THAN THE GENERALS AND HIS ADVISORS, or HE DOESN'T KNOW DICK ABOUT DIDDLY?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
13.1.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  Tessylo @13.1    2 weeks ago

That's like a anthypoporal  question - right?

 
 
 
PJ
14  PJ    2 weeks ago

Well it looks like the truth is starting to trickle out.  Trump has once again chosen loyalty to Russia over America.  I'm not surprised at all by his lack of action to defend our troops and our country and I'm not surprised by those who continue to offer one excuse after another to support his decision to do nothing.

 
 
 
bbl-1
15  bbl-1    2 weeks ago

If this Taliban/Russia bounty story is true---------------------then what does America do with the MAGA's?

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
15.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  bbl-1 @15    2 weeks ago

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Ah - Comrade Adam have answer - change letters  from MAGA to CPCB. Can keep hats Red.

Сделай Россию снова великой

Will be big hit in mother Russia.

 
 
 
Adam_Selene
15.1.1  Adam_Selene  replied to  Adam_Selene @15.1    2 weeks ago

_v=63f541593364809

Will be fun to see new hats at Trump rallies.

 
 
 
bbl-1
15.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Adam_Selene @15.1.1    2 weeks ago

Holy crackers!  lol

 
 
 
MUVA
16  MUVA    2 weeks ago

Now the real story is coming out it seems this one is fake news oops a preliminary report that was unconfirmed and never verified.This isn't a pattern anymore it is excepted.  

 
 
 
loki12
16.1  loki12  replied to  MUVA @16    2 weeks ago

It's amazing how easily fooled some are, TDS is a powerful mental disorder that affects million.  The democrat base killed more Americans in Chicago this year than than the Russians could dream of in a war zone in Afghanistan, Hell they killed more last weekend  than have died in Afghanistan all year,.......Why don't their liberal shitholes clean themselves up?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
16.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  loki12 @16.1    2 weeks ago
It's amazing how easily fooled some are, TDS is a powerful mental disorder that affects million. 

Hell, the shit heads that are believing and peddling this pile of horse shit are among the same ones that believed the Schiff telephone call parody, and believed Swallwell when he claimed "I've seen the hard evidence." (was that "hard" evidence his one solid shit instead of the verbal diarrhea that spewed from his mouth daily?).

Rumors, supposition, conjecture, innuendo, etc. and so on, are not "briefed" to the President. 

This is simply one more attempt by the rabid Trump and America hating Marxists slithering out of their hidey holes trying to destroy, or as another once noted "fundamentally transform America" into a shithole socialist failure.

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.2  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @16.1.1    2 weeks ago

The funny thing is, Mayor Lightfoot has a better body count this year than Putin has for the entire trump presidency, And these low functioning douchebags are worried about him?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
16.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  XDm9mm @16.1.1    2 weeks ago

Trump also says he didn't hear someone (with a "Trump" poster on the front of his golf cart) shout "white power" to a protester  8 SECONDS into a video Trump retweeted over the weekend. 

How stupid do people have to be to believe a word Trump says? 

If he says he wasnt told about the Russian bounty, that means , in the real world, that he was. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
16.1.4  XDm9mm  replied to  JohnRussell @16.1.3    2 weeks ago
Trump also says he didn't hear someone (with a "Trump" poster on the front of his golf cart) shout "white power" to a protester  8 SECONDS into a video Trump retweeted over the weekend. 

So, you were there and know for a fact that he saw and listened to the entire clip?   Would you stake your life on that?

How stupid do people have to be to believe a word Trump says? 

How stupid do people have to believe what the New York Times publishes since everything they have published has been trashed.  Collusion, Mueller, Ukraine, etc.

If he says he wasnt told about the Russian bounty, that means , in the real world, that he was.

The you'll need to talk to the DNI who has said Trump wasn't briefed. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
16.1.5  r.t..b...  replied to  loki12 @16.1.2    2 weeks ago
better body count this year than Putin has for the entire trump presidency

A false equivalency given the subject at hand. Are you really saying a foreign entity putting a bounty on our troops is okay as long as the body count is less than deflecting to a purely partisan talking point and a totally unrelated set of facts? Not dismissing the serious issue that you're attempting to conflate, but it is an entirely different discussion.

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.6  loki12  replied to  r.t..b... @16.1.5    2 weeks ago

There is no proof that a foreign entity did this, and the DNI has gone on record saying there is no proof, Period!  Why do you keep believing the worst with no proof. There was no Collusion, how long did you believe that? the steele dossier was bullshit, how long did you believe that?

Let me ask you a simple question that will prove this is complete bullshit, How many casualties in Afghanistan since the fall of 2019 when this was supposed to have happened?  and how many are actual "war" casualties and not plane crashes etc?  It's complete bullshit, let me know how you do.  

 
 
 
Dulay
16.1.7  Dulay  replied to  XDm9mm @16.1.4    2 weeks ago
So, you were there and know for a fact that he saw and listened to the entire clip? Would you stake your life on that?

So your posit must be that Trump retweets shit that he doesn't vet. 

That makes everything SO much better. /s

The you'll need to talk to the DNI who has said Trump wasn't briefed. 

Right because Ratcliffe is too 'independent' to lie for Trump. /s

 
 
 
XDm9mm
16.1.8  XDm9mm  replied to  Dulay @16.1.7    2 weeks ago
So, you were there and know for a fact that he saw and listened to the entire clip? Would you stake your life on that?
So your posit must be that Trump retweets shit that he doesn't vet.  That makes everything SO much better. /s

In other words, you too can't verify or validate that PRESIDENT Trump viewed the entire clip.   Good to know.

The you'll need to talk to the DNI who has said Trump wasn't briefed. 
Right because Ratcliffe is too 'independent' to lie for Trump. /s

Well, we had Brennan and Clapper lie ABOUT Trump.  

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.9  loki12  replied to  XDm9mm @16.1.8    2 weeks ago
Well, we had Brennan and Clapper lie ABOUT Trump.  

You have to understand, they were Obama supporters so we don't expect them to have any integrity.  or honor. 

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
16.1.10  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @16.1.9    2 weeks ago

they were Obama supporters so we don't expect them to have any integrity.  or honor. 

So by that statement, you automatically claim integrity and honor for yourselves or this administration....?  Try switching to decaf.

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.11  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @16.1.10    2 weeks ago

I'll take things nobody said for 1000 Alex,  Just because Obama supporters have no integrity doesn't mean others do.   But this type of logic on your part does explain a lot.........

Russia!!!!!!!

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
16.1.12  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  loki12 @16.1.11    2 weeks ago

Dude..... You're having a bad day with your logic....  I suggest you go get a cool washcloth to cover your eyes while you lay down on the couch.   You're going to stroke out if you're not careful.

 
 
 
loki12
16.1.13  loki12  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @16.1.12    2 weeks ago

I’m having a bad day? That’s hilarious, let’s analyze, because I have integrity doesn’t mean you don’t which is what you claimed, while that may be accurate, it isn’t a mandatory. Because Obama supporters mostly have no integrity or honor doesn’t mean trump supporters do. 
You have to be retarded to believe anything coming out of the times about Russia. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
16.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  loki12 @16.1.13    2 weeks ago
Because Obama supporters mostly have no integrity or honor doesn’t mean trump supporters do. 

Because Obama supporters mostly have integrity or honor doesn’t mean trump supporters do.

There. Fixed it for you so that it actually rings true.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
16.2  seeder  FLYNAVY1  replied to  MUVA @16    2 weeks ago

Care to post that real story so we can all learn about it?

Lets get to the new details....

Till then:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republicans-want-answers-from-trump-s-white-house-about-new-russia-claims/ar-BB165WuA?ocid=msedgntp

That's about an hour old....

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
17  Trout Giggles    2 weeks ago

Does this remind anyone of the Manchurian Candidate?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
17.1  r.t..b...  replied to  Trout Giggles @17    2 weeks ago
Does this remind anyone of the Manchurian Candidate?

"Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life". ~Oscar Wilde

Brings to mind the old adage about the company you keep...just who is adamant in denying the report? The Kremlin and our Administration. Should Congressional investigation (now required in light of the allegations) show there was nothing to the charge, mea culpa. Otherwise and in all ways let the facts speak for themselves.

 
 
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