'Abandoned the rule of law': Lawmakers react to Trump granting clemency to Roger Stone
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Via: it-is-me • 4 years ago • 152 commentsBy: Savannah Behrmann, USA TODAY 13 hrs ago
The Democrats contradict themselves when they speak, and have very short memories of their own Favorites Doings !
It's like a Comedy Show when Democrats try and sound ...... unbiased and Caring !
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Appearing on CNN Friday night, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said that for Trump to be able to commute or issue a pardon for Stone "based on the crime assisting the president, is ridiculous."
Pelosi was asked about U.S. Attorney General William Barr saying Wednesday the sentencing of Stone was fair.
"There ought to be a law," she continued. "I’m recommending that we pass a law that presidents cannot issue a pardon if the crime that the person is in jail for is one that is caused by protecting the President, which this was.”
Sen. Mark Warner, D-VA., vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, posted : "The United States was founded on the rule of law. It seems our president has nothing but contempt for it."
House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., and Oversight and Reform Committee Chairwoman Carolyn B. Maloney, D-N.Y., released a joint statement , writing, "Trump abused the powers of his office in an apparent effort to reward Roger Stone for his refusal to cooperate with investigators examining the President’s own conduct. No other president has exercised the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose."
Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., tweeted Trump "abandoned the rule of law and made a mockery of our democracy."
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First of all, ya got these Liberal politicians crying about how Trump “Broke the Rule of Law” and “Abused Power”:
Then Nancy says:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said that for Trump to be able to commute or issue a pardon for Stone "based on the crime assisting the president, is ridiculous."
" There ought to be a law ," she continued. "I’m recommending that we pass a law that presidents cannot issue a pardon if the crime that the person is in jail for is one that is caused by protecting the President, which this was.”
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THE LAW !
Article Two of the United States Constitution establishes the executive branch of the federal government, which carries out and enforces federal laws. Article Two vests the power of the executive branch in the office of the president of the United States, lays out the procedures for electing and removing the president, and establishes the president's powers and responsibilities.
Section 2 of Article Two lays out the powers of the presidency, establishing that the president serves as the commander-in-chief of the military, among many other roles. This section gives the president the power to grant pardons.
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Some Weird Stuff Happened, Before Trump,
to Friends of Other Presidents ?:
President Barack Obama commuted a jail sentence for Wikileaks figure Chelsea Manning and issued a pardon to former general James Cartwright.
Plus 1714 Other Criminals
President Bill Clinton pardoned his own brother, Roger (who had served a one-year jail sentence on a drug conviction), businessman Marc Rich, Whitewater participant Susan McDougal and former Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros. FALN, which is a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago.
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BUT TRUMP (Only 24 total pardons and commutations ) ?
The STUPID never seems to end on the "Left" !
After Adam "Schifty" Schiff's pathetic antics in the Dems ridiculous and unwarranted impeachment farce, I take anything he says with less than a grain of salt, just like I do Pelosi, Nadler, and Schumer's.
Put 'em on Mute. They make more sense then.
Yep.
Not dissent. Just pure lunacy from a group of people who are still mad Hillary is not their president.
And how do you account for the judge and jury that found him guilty on all counts? How about Bill Barr... Is he now part of that loony group too?
Which by definition ..... is certainly no "justice."
The trial was held in DC if you are conservative there is a different justice system for you.
And you know and can prove this how...?
And why is AG Barr stating that the trial and jury decision of guilt were correct as was the sentence? How do you square his position?
Ya can still watch the Video without sound ...... sheeeeesh !
"If you believe in the American ideal...dissent is built in to the program. Only in dissent is there a forum established for meaningful change."
Walking around carrying a sign and chanting is one thing. Burning, Looting, Disrupting everyday folks, Killing Police, Killing 1 year Olds, Killing each other ..... Is quite another.
But..... BL Only M , when it's about White Police !
After all.....the Few really are the Many ....... Huh !
I watched the Impeachment "Hearings?" , and found it to be lacking, and comical !
Conjecture, Innuendo, and Could Be's, makes for great TV. Nothing More, Nothing less !
Yeah, nothing like watching a group of Democrats trying to copulate with a football
And you can explain AG Barr's position on the Stone commutation exactly how....?
People have many positions.
Folks didn't like Bills pardon/Commute of his Brother or Barracks pardon/commute of an unrepentant Terrorist choice either.
So what !
It's done and over. nothing is gonna change, especially YOURS or MY life either !
Of course people have many positions, but given that AG Barr's is one that would be from someone more in the know of the evidence would make those contemplate the the use of the pardon in this case.
As far as your other examples..... the difference here is that the Stone commutation involves potential evidence against the very person that supplied the commutation.
That's not true, but even if the case, what was Trump's defense?
His defense never claimed that he didn't do it.
His defense never brought forth ANY witnesses to rebut testimony.
In fact Trump blocked 1st hand witnesses from testifying. (Sure sign of innocence??)
His total defense(?) rested on the fact that McConnell would never remove him from office no matter the guilt, or the crime committed.
I listened to the Witness's that were brought forth by Shifty Shitty Schiff and Oompa Loompa Nadler !
It was all Conjecture, innuendos and Could Be's. Not one said anything other than "Opinion" !
What eve happened to Schifty's evidence he said he had, that would oust Trump right-a-way anyway ?
Was he just Throwing "conjecture and Innuendo" out in the wind to see what would stick ?
If so, it would already have come out in Muellers investigation !
It Didn't !
A defense is not necessary.
proof of a crime is.
Last weekend Mueller issued his statements of the proper charges against Stone being levied, and Stone being found Guilty on all counts as valid. AG Barr's statement from the weekend is also in confirmation of the finding of guilt on all charges and that the sentence was just. Both of these people know to the letter of the charges and evidence that brought the jury to convict Stone.
Given that there is still quite a bit of the Mueller report that is redacted, I think you would be more circumspect in not knowing all of the details that the jury was asked to deliberate. Be that as it may, your conundrum here is that Barr and Mueller are aligned on the critical points of the Stone trial. If you contend that Mueller is a liar, then Barr must be doing the same. If you believe Barr is telling the truth, then Mueller is also doing so. Tough spot for an avid Trump supporter.
We'll see what Mueller says about Lindsey Graham's "Offer?" to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee, since his Op'Ed !
Should be interesting.
Should be interesting.
Agreed..... Think the hearing will be open to the public?
Lindsey isn't Adam, Nancy or Jerry.
You Decide !
Me ?
I think there are enough "Judge this or that" shows on TV. The "Impeachment Trials" just fed that type constituent ! It was Better than "Judge Jerry Springer, Judge Judy Sheindlin , Judge Joe Brown, Judge Greg Mathis, or Judge Marilyn Milian".
So, based upon your statement, and the fact that the House had Mueller testify in public, your assumption is that Ms. Lindsey will hold the hearing behind closed doors.... Got it.
What a "STUPID" Statement !
the use of "ms" to describe Lindsay is what all the cool kids are doing now.
And of course, since they do it, it isn't at all homophobic, wink, wink
Not a homophobic bone in their body.
well, I think it is homophobic.
Either that, or just wildly immature.
Ahhhhh.... sorry that the statement will get Trump supporters thong's in an uproar.... My apologies.
Couldn't help but notice you chose not to address the actual point of the post.
if you post stuff like that. you should expect a response to it. and if that wasn't the point, what was the purpose of tossing it in there?
No you see, you've got it all wrong. Opinions of that nature are beyond reproach. Just ask the people here who wrote them ....... they'll tell you.
I'm sorry for LGBT folks, that you didn't think before you Wrote/spoke !
AND
I did address your actual point, but you chose to go all homophobic instead !
"Ahhhhh.... sorry that the statement will get Trump supporters thong's in an uproar.... My apologies.
Couldn't help but notice you chose not to address the actual point of the post."
He never does.
It's called the It Is Me shuffle
"The trial was held in DC if you are conservative there is a different justice system for you."
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ll let It Is Me deal with the bigots on the seed.
"I'll let It Is Me deal with the bigots on the seed."
Here's how It Is Me deals . . .
lmao!!
Fine.... I chose an immature manner to address Lindsey Graham.... You got me!
The fact of the matter is that Lindsey Graham is a spineless coward when it comes to anything he touches. I expect the same when it comes to him running the hearing with Mueller.
I can only imagine your response had Dan Snyder said " Sorry if some Native Americans had their feathers ruffled over our name".
I am sure you would have just loved it and accepted the apology.
You "GOT"....yourself !
"The fact of the matter is that Lindsey Graham is a spineless coward when it comes to anything he touches. I expect the same when it comes to him running the hearing with Mueller. "
You don't listen to Lindsey very well then !
At least I know when to admit error..... That's more than I can say about those I'm responding to on the topic.
And yes.... Lindsey has the spine of a Hagfish.
some might claim it wasn't an error. just the way you really feel
Seems like repeating the "mistake" again and again can't be construed as a one off or an inadvertent mistake.
it is clearly deliberate and homophobic.
Wow.... I have to take it all back..... Lindsey just showed a hint of some spine....
“We don't have a Dr. Fauci problem,” Graham said at a news conference in Columbia, South Carolina. “We need to be focusing on doing things that get us to where we need to go. So, I have all the respect in the world for Dr. Fauci. I think any effort to undermine him is not going to be productive, quite frankly."
But it does take away from this administration blaming everyone else for the US response to the pandemic.
Nah.... it's been a trend with me when dealing with the spinless Graham....as you clearly pointed out in my posts.
Did you listen to the witnesses brought forth by the defense?
Another lie.
Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Trump's perfect letter, to name just a couple.
Republican senate blocked those witnesses.
No, he made the mistaken assumption that the rule of law, and this country, were more important to Senate Republicans, than party.
Obstruction of Congress is a crime. Or do you believe that Trump didn't block subpoena'd testimony? Keep in mind that he admitted to it.
the Democrats wanted the gop to put their case on for them.
they knew what a loser it was.
I said I listened to THE Witness's.
"Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, Trump's perfect letter,"
He Lied !
Where did Vindman get his preconceived notion? He points to media stories accusing Trump and Rudy Giuliani of seeking investigations to damage Joe Biden. See pages 176-177 and 251-252.
Vindman confessed he never met or communicated with Trump or Giuliani and didn't know what Trump was thinking, according to transcript pages 36 and 177.
But on page 252, the Democrats hilariously argue Vindman's on solid ground because the stories quoted Giuliani, "so this is not some sort of media spin thing."
When Vindman was asked if he had knowledge of a quid pro quo communicated to the Ukrainians on July 25 -- or any other day -- he admitted, "no," says page 317 of the transcript.
And Other Crap he came up with.
was Trump impeached for obstruction? Found guilty of it?
if not there is no case
Adam Schiff is on record bragging how all the evidence he had was enough to put Trump away.
What happened to all of it?
Too bad Trump never claimed "executive privilege" for the subpoenas.
Wow, you're psychic, quick what are next week's lottery numbers?
Congrats on quoting my statement, then never even getting close to addressing it. Piss ass poor deflection.
Yet Trump's defense never offered any evidence to that. So why would you claim it with no evidence?
Oh, and your article is an opinion piece, by a Trump campaign employee.
What country are you from? In America, the court system does not work that way and neither does the political system.
It was ignored by the Senate Republicans.
Nah.... I really couldn't care less about Lindsey's, or anyone's sexual orientation.... I got carried away with the Ms. Lindsey shit.
I do care that he is a groveling, Trump boot licker.....detrimental to the health of the United States. I'll be more careful in the future.
lol. figured that would be the go to answer!
in America, no defense is required. the prosecution must present their case.
Thank God for Senators like Graham.
Lest the real fascist boot lickers take total control. The wicked witch of the west and her flying monkeys. Schumer, shifty shiffzel, no nads Nadler, the garbage disposal squad and mad Maxine to name a few
Now that’s some real scary shit there
They didn't have to. His own testimony was just Conjecture and Innuendo, and on the written record too.
And in Trump case, the House case was presented, then ignored by almost all Senate Republicans. Remember Vindman, Mulcahey, Sondland, and Trump all stated there was quid pro quo.
still whining because you didn't like the outcome, I see.
For the record, ignoring and listening to evidence and returning a not guilty verdict are 2 different things
Care to explain the evidence that the defense submitted?
did you not understand it?
Understand you? Generally all your spinning and strawmanning makes me dizzy.
I think I see the problem.
I didn't say understand me, said understand it.
meaning the evidence you referenced in your post I responded to.
wanna try again, now that you know the question?
By it, I thought you meant your statement.
You never addressed the evidence, you simply claimed it didn't exist. Trying to rewrite history. Despite the video I posted pointing out just some of their admissions.
In what exact post did I claim that there was no evidence?
Care to post the quote?
In fact, had you been reading and paying attention, you would find absolutely no evidence of what you falsely claim.
Here, I will give YOU quotes of mine to prove what I say--can you do the same?
Now, I am off of work tomorrow, so I can stay up late if need be, waiting on you to post some quote of mine you claim I said.
Your turn.
That is EXACTLY what this "outrage" is.
Haven't seen anything that changes my mind on that either !
not outrage.
faux Poutrage!
how many thousands of criminals have blue states and cities let out of jail because... "virus?
Here's why 8 ball:
Exactly! https://www.instagram.com/p/CCjRB3BFmuH/?igshid=1g74p76693vi3
the truth is off topic... LOL
California is on a roll with that right now.
How many of those commutations were of personal benefit to him?
They can't list a single case where a former President pardoned or commuted a convicted felon specifically because that felon refused to rat on the President or whose felonies were directly tied to protecting the President by lying to investigators. They can't do it because it has never happened before in the history of our nation. But that doesn't matter to Trump sycophants who don't care about the law or the constitution, they're all too busy cheering on the corruption because it angers those with any integrity or spine of which the new conservative Republican party under Trump is completely lacking.
This isn't about President Obama, it's about Stone and tRumps' quid pro quo
Can you imagine the loads of dirt Stone has on the turd tRump?
Stone was part of Mueller's Russia Probe.
Mueller must Suck as a Lawyer, since Mueller said..... No "American" was involved with conspiring with Russia (Which Includes President Trump), if Stone has all this info you say he does !
But but Obama
But but Clinton
It's not about Obama or Clinton, it's about tRump the traitor.
What's good for the Goose, is ALWAYS Good for the Gander !
But ...... the Gander is a Traitor ...... for doing what the "God Like Goose" Did....right ?
It's not about Obama
It's not about Clinton
It's about tRump the traitor
He believes he is ABOVE THE LAW.
Which Law ?
Is granting clemency by the POTUS illegal? No? Then what are you crying about?
I'm not crying. I'm truly excited about watching what all the dems are going to be able to do when they get in office. This president and the republican leadership have stomped over the constitution, refusing to honor subpoena after subpoena, inserting crooked AG's who refuse to prosecute crimes and traitors to this country, who steal children away from parents, who break campaign laws, who conspire with foreign hostiles against America and who remain silent when those foreign actors place bounties on our service men and women.
This is a stellar group of leaders you've chosen to prop up and worship. Just remember.......
It may be a couple more months or another 4 years of waiting but they will eventually get there and when they do the Dems are going to have a field day doing EXACTLY what trump and the republican leadership have done and there's not a damn thing anyone will be able to do about it because the precedence has been set.
Buckle up - it's going to be one hell of a ride when this shit show is turned back on them.
How so? Be specific how this has been done and how it is against the Constitution. Keep in mind...feelings don't count.
As opposed to the Obama admin shuffle. Plead the fifth, throw an underling under the bus, etc, etc ..... go scott free.
Yep, that’s how they did it.
No, I refuse to debate you bugsy because I kinda like you and it would end up with us fighting. Then you'd be mad at me for besting you and I'd be mad at you for being mad at me which would only make you even more mad at me and then we wouldn't talk until you forgot that I bested you here. It's exhausting being me and trying to navigate the fields of fickle friendship......
Please, list every time they have "stomped over the constitution" and provide your proof of that.
(this should be interesting)
The Democrats have been promising what Trump has done for decades. Now they're upset that Trump actually did it and made them look bad. But you keep up with the "Trump Bad" tantrums.
refusing to respond to subpoenas when it clearly states that Congress has oversight. Go look up how many times they did this and look up how many times a Democratic Administration did it.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. These are the new rules this administration and this republican leadership has established for our politics.
In the end, it's all good though because when the Dems are in charge (whenever that is) I hope and pray they follow the exact playbook that the republican leadership and this administration has created.
But, but Obama . . .
This has nothing to do with President Obama
That's all they have left and even that's a lie.
I'm not crying.
Your 'president' is the whiny little bitch.
What exactly has tRump accomplished?
The projection is strong . . . .
You have said this to me several times before, and also said it to other posters. If you can't debate an issue, just say so.
The only ones I end up "fighting " with are the libs that go straight to insults. There are many on here that do that.
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Or Winnie the Pooh Zi ‘s!
ya mean....their Usual like they always do ?
That's not much of a surprise party for sure ! Everyone already knows !
"doing exactly what Trump and the Republican leadership have done"
so you aren't really upset with what's being done, you're just upset Democrats aren't the ones doing it.
Figures.
You can agree or disagree with any executive granting clemency, but if you claim it's unlawful, you're either ignorant or a liar.
In Stone's case it is not only who you know but who you blow.
Did you know and I'm speaking to everyone on the seed here, that those are the 'proud boys' who Stone hired for protection?
That's the white power/white supremacist symbol of the times!
Lately, to the liberal left you can scratch you eyebrow and they will take it as a sign/symbol of white power/white supremacy just as long as it fits their particular agenda!
I know its crazy tinfoil hat stuff.
As a diver, that sign has always, and will always, mean okay. Underwater it can be a question and an answer.
It is used extensively and that's not changing any day soon no matter how hard the progressive kooks on the left whine about it.
That symbol has been around a lot longer than the "proud bozos" who coopted it for their own twisted use. As such, I will continue to use in the manner it has been around for since long before those losers have used it. If some lib does not like it, too bad.
I hope you are 👌 Doc.
I am 👌 as well thanks.
I did research on what Democrats have accomplished for all Americans, but specifically minorities, in the past 50 years. Here is what I found...
754. Pander for their votes then refer back to 1-753.