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U.S. Intelligence: GOP Is Accepting Russian Help for Trump

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  jbb  •  4 years ago  •  158 comments

By:   Jonathan Chait (Intelligencer)

U.S. Intelligence: GOP Is Accepting Russian Help for Trump
Counterintelligence director William Evanina published a warning that Russia is actively working to help reelect Trump. Its method is to spread information appearing to denigrate Joe Biden to Republican sources. Senator Ron Johnson is cooperating.

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Two weeks ago, William Evanina, director of the United States National Counterintelligence and Security Center, published a somewhat vague warning about various forms of foreign interference in the upcoming election. On Friday, he followed up with a more direct and incriminating one, specifically warning that Russia is working to help reelect Donald Trump. Even more important is what this warning unmistakably implies: that Trump and his Republican allies in Congress are actively cooperating with Russia's campaign.

Trump obviously tends to respond with rage at the suggestion that Russia wants him to win, let alone that he is accepting the assistance. So Evanina's summary delicately surrounds the revelations about Trump and Moscow with superficially balancing material. The report highlights three countries that want to influence the election: Russia, China, and Iran. The report notes that the latter two want Trump to lose, while Russia wants him to win.

This seems intended to let Republicans claim that there is foreign interference on both sides. And it's true, as far as it goes.

But the comparisons end there. What is China doing to defeat Trump? Its government has "grown increasingly critical of the current Administration's COVID-19 response, closure of China's Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues." And Iran's efforts "probably will focus on on-line influence, such as spreading disinformation on social media and recirculating anti-U.S. content."

In others words, Iran and China are undermining Trump by criticizing him in public remarks, possibly including some mean tweets.

Russia's efforts to help Trump include all that. In addition, the statement notes, "pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption — including through publicizing leaked phone calls — to undermine former Vice President Biden's candidacy and the Democratic Party."

Derkach and his Russian allies despise Biden, who spearheaded the administration's efforts to reform Ukraine, rein in its oligarchs, and diminish Russian influence. They have attempted to depict Biden's reform efforts as a corrupt plot to enrich his son Hunter.

Derkach has been working openly with Trump's lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. None of this is a secret. Here are the two of them meeting in Kiev in December:

Giuliani told the Washington Post earlier this summer that Derkach "doesn't seem pro-Russian to me." In case that ruse was fooling anybody, U.S. intelligence has now officially described Derkach as an organ of Russian political interference.

Meanwhile, Senate Republicans on the Homeland Security Committee are holding hearings in an attempt to substantiate this charge — or, more realistically, to insinuate it. They have produced no evidence to advance their charge. The Russians have given Republicans stolen tapes of secret conversations Biden held with Ukrainians during his tenure as vice-president, and pro-Trump media outlets have hyped up the material, but nothing they have is inconsistent with the narrative that mainstream news organizations found. Biden was working to clean up Ukraine.

Senate Republicans tried to be cagey about their activities. After pro-Russian Ukrainians said they'd passed materials on to Republican officials, a Johnson staffer told NBC News in July that it was "'false' the committee has received any 'oppo,' or opposition research, without responding directly to whether that covers any materials from foreign sources."

The Washington Postreported that Homeland Security Committee chairman Ron Johnson received secret documents from Ukrainians. And former Giuliani associate Lev Parnas has confessed to putting Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee and perhaps Trump's most energetic defender on all things Russia, in touch with one of the Ukrainians releasing documents in the United States.

There is hardly any secret to what they're up to. Johnson says he plans to release his report on Biden in September. It hardly matters if the information Russia gives him actually substantiates his allegations, or even whether it is authentic. The obvious plan is to splash some headlines into news screens in the heat of the campaign that seem to connect Biden to some kind of wrongdoing.

In reality, it is not a scandal about Biden at all. It's a scandal about Republican cooperation with a Russian propaganda campaign.

What makes Evanina's statement on Friday so significant is that it makes clear that the passing of information, real or otherwise, from various Ukrainian figures to various Trump allies is part of a Russian-directed scheme to help Trump win. Republicans could tell Russia that Russian-controlled media are free to say anything they want, but Republicans aren't going to launder their propaganda for them. Instead, they are doing everything in their power to exploit it.

Update: The unanswered question of why Evanina followed his first, vague statement with a second, more specific one has an answer. On Saturday morning, the New York TimesMagazine published a long, devastating story by Robert Draper about Trump's politicization of intelligence. Draper's reporting forced Friday night's release, which directly acknowledged Russia's active preference to help Trump win.

Draper's story also helps contextualize the essentially decorative mentions of China and Iran. Intelligence officials are terrified of enraging Trump by confirming that Russia wants him to win, even though the conclusion is obvious. If you want to understand why officials added references to China and Iran to create the illusion of balance — even though those two countries don't seem to be taking any steps to help Biden, and Biden certainly isn't cooperating with them — Draper's narrative explains the intense pressure they're facing.


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JBB
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JBB    4 years ago

Is is any wonder the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now commonly known as "the damn gop"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @1    4 years ago

never heard anyone but you call it that.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
2  bbl-1    4 years ago

The new GOP has more in common with Putin's autocracy than it does with American democracy.

It is possible that this new GOP is at its core---regressing to Antebellum.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  bbl-1 @2    4 years ago

Oh, they'd like to but we are not going to let them...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  bbl-1 @2    4 years ago
regressing to Antebellum

No. Moving forward to a Putin-style patriarchal plutocracy.

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
2.2.1  bbl-1  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2    4 years ago

In a very 'loose sense' America already has the roots of a patriarchal plutocracy by Citizens United which is fueled by excessive-unaccountable-lazy wealth through Supply Side Economics.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  bbl-1 @2.2.1    4 years ago

Yes. Citizens United was an important step, more or less neutering the individual voter.

It's "amusing" to observe that the right's ideal country already exists... but it's Muslim...

 
 
 
bbl-1
Professor Quiet
2.2.3  bbl-1  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.2    4 years ago

Interesting.  Especially when recently Peter Navarro said that ( paraphrase ) "The Lord and Founding Fathers created the executive action...……..".

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  bbl-1 @2.2.3    4 years ago

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Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.2    4 years ago
It's "amusing" to observe that the right's ideal country already exists... but it's Muslim...

What a ridiculous comment but i understand why you would say that.   It's simply leftist propaganda that fits right in with one of your preferred narratives.

Some things never change ....

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.5    4 years ago

Seems obvious to me:

Autocratic rule, no women's rights, God's law rules the secular scene, buckets of money for the few, lots of proles for the hard work, ...

It would be perfect if there wasn't this one little problem.

Well...... Most American "Christians" have switched their devotion to Donald Trump, so maybe something can be worked out.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.6    4 years ago

The Chicken Shit Coward in Chief isn't going to like his country to become the Christian Dominionist country his supporters want it to be.

But they're probably give him a pass for all of his adultery, fornication, and blasphemy

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.7    4 years ago

He might have to be a teeny-tiny bit more discreet.

... won't have to stop, of course.

See "Falwell, Jerry Jr."

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.6    4 years ago
Seems obvious to me:

I suppose it might to a staunch partisan

Autocratic rule

Lol .... not even close.   You want an example of Autocratic rule?   Look at North Korea or Russia perhaps

Strike one.

no women's rights

No womans rights?   Ridiculous.   Again, if you would like to see an example of that look at a country like Saudi Arabia or what the Taliban want in the stan.

Strike two.

God's law rules the secular scene

More horseshit but clearly pointing that out won't stop you from pushing that nonsense.

Strike three

buckets of money for the few, lots of proles for the hard work, ...

True, buckets of money for a entire group of slackers with their hands out, with no desire to work for it but rather with an expectation of more free shit for no work.   Paid for by someone else.

Strike four

It would be perfect if there wasn't this one little problem. Well...... Most American "Christians" have switched their devotion to Donald Trump, so maybe something can be worked out.

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.8    4 years ago

O.M.G.....you must have seen that, too!

He's taking a leave of absence...."Reverend" Falwell that is

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.9    4 years ago
a country like Saudi Arabia

For God's sake, Sparty!

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
2.2.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.2.10    4 years ago

I saw today that Liberty U has a new President. A guy who's been on the Board since forever.

I'm sure things will change substantially.......   jrSmiley_19_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.13  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @2.2.11    4 years ago

For Gods sake Bob, that's exactly what i'm talking about as well.

More nonsense ..... comparing the USA to them in that regard

Strike six

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
Professor Participates
2.2.14  FLYNAVY1  replied to  Sparty On @2.2.13    4 years ago

Open your damn eyes Sparty.... Bob is spot on target.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
2.2.15  Sparty On  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @2.2.14    4 years ago

Comparing the USA to SA in that regard?    Ridiculous!

I’m clearly not the one with my eyes closed

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Then of course there’s the Chinese and Iranian attempts to aid and give support to Biden and democrats. There’s no evidence what so ever that the GOP is accepting aid or help from Russia or any evidence that Russia benefits at all from a Trump presidency.  Next joke?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
3.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    4 years ago

That is explained in the article as are differences.

The biggest difference is that the damn gop actively seeks and accepts the Russian government's assistance which involves using rightwing American patsies to spread their disinformation about Biden...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @3.1    4 years ago
That is explained in the article

What???

Do you expect anyone to actually read the seed? That's unheard of!

Some seeders don't even read their own seeds. (We all know who, but I have too many tickets already...)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.1    4 years ago

LOL (Not because you have too many tickets, but everything else.}

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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3.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    4 years ago
Then of course there’s the Chinese and Iranian attempts to aid and give support to Biden and democrats.

Talk about no evidence whatsoever!  You've been trying to sell that turkey from the boot of your bot-mobile for months.  

 
 
 
sixpick
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3.3  sixpick  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    4 years ago
Then of course there’s the Chinese and Iranian attempts to aid and give support to Biden and democrats. There’s no evidence what so ever that the GOP is accepting aid or help from Russia or any evidence that Russia benefits at all from a Trump presidency.  Next joke?

Remember all the fuss about the Facebook post supposedly by the Russians to help Trump win the 2016 election?  I bet there is not a single person here who went to the trouble to read any of them.  I wonder if you could even find them today.  The narrative was put forth, promoted and after the desired conclusion was set in stone, they were discarded so it would be assumed fact they were to help Trump and then put away never to be seen again.

The fact is some promoted Trump and some promoted Hillary.  Then some were designed to hurt Trump while others were designed to hurt Hillary.

How do I know?  Because I read over 500 of them out of the two plus thousand and it wasn't easy and took a long time looking up each and every one I read.  It wasn't like they were a list  you could just read, you had to do some work see each one.

In the end, they were only designed to disrupt the election and cause division in this country.  There were no favorites.  The only collusion there was during the 2016 election before and after came from the Democrats even as it has always been.  A perfect example was Ted Kennedy against Ronald Reagan.

Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit

I've learned you need to download and save many things these days, since things seem to disappear.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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3.3.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  sixpick @3.3    4 years ago

Chappaquiddick!!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
3.3.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.3.1    4 years ago

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Killed a Girl, sexually assaulted others (including underage pages), and worked with the KGB.

No wonder Ted Kennedy was such a hero to the Democratic Party.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3    4 years ago

Why would China help Biden?  He's competing with Trump to see which one of them can bash China the most and best.  Have the democrats not passed resolutions that interfere  in China's domestic affairs?  Let's see your valid and truthful evidence published by mainstream media, not some biased "instagram" cartoon. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.4.1  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4    4 years ago

Because unlike Trump, Biden is an Establishment tool. Biden has spoken glowingly about China in the past economically; and none of his past actions have been detrimental to China. It is called repositioning. Biden is saying what he thinks will get him elected. Once Biden takes office he will need as much cheap shit from China as possible to get the US economy moving again; and they know it.

China will take Biden trying to desperately restart the US economy (and be the anti Trump); over Trump drumming them over protectionism, stealing US tech, their military expansionism, and their lying/failure to contain Covid 19.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
3.4.2  CB  replied to  Ronin2 @3.4.1    4 years ago

Thank you for your analysis, but—maybe, on reflection, I should leave it up to Buzz!

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.4.3  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4    4 years ago
Why would China help Biden? 

for decades biden was part of selling our country out to china and he will do it again in a blink of an eye of elected.

biden is just a globalist puppet and will only bring back the same bs of the past several decades.   

regardless if they know it yet or not, china is done being the world's manufacturer.

and with all the recent floods, chinas time would be best spent learning how to swim.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.3    4 years ago

Not so sure China is done being the world's manufacturer since at least 70% of foreign manufacturers have indicated that they have no intention of leaving China, and China's economy is rebounding quickly, so I'll bet it won't be long before it's the world's number one economy.  Oh, and as for such compassion about the innocent Chinese people who have lost their lives, their homes, their businesses and their farms and crops due to the flood, I'm sure they would have a lot more compassion about the Americans who have lost their lives, jobs, businesses, homes and whatever else due to Trump's unbelievable mismanagement of the virus.  

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.4.6  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.5    4 years ago
since at least 70% of foreign manufacturers have indicated that they have no intention of leaving China,

down by 30% already...  that's huge. but hey don't worry yet.  just the beginning.  it only gets worse.

the move away from china will take decades...   what's the rush?

so I'll bet it won't be long before it's the world's number one economy. 

 china losing a third of its business is one hell of a start to the top... LOL

IF  they replace those lost manufacturers?  then we can talk about china becoming the number 1 economy.

my bet is simple... they cant replace 1/3  of their lost manufacturers any time soon.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.6    4 years ago

Facts and logic "trump" opinion.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.7    4 years ago

Companies - American or other - aren't stupid enough to take major actions until they are sure that the madman will be around for a while.

America has had no coherent foreign policy since the success of George Marshall's "Containment", and the fall of the Soviet Union. American "foreign" policy has been almost exclusively driven by domestic politics. Foreign countries have long since figured out that if a policy displeases them, they need only wait until the next election...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.8    4 years ago
"Foreign countries have long since...."

Did you mean countries or companies?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.4.10  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.7    4 years ago

the short game never wins.    you should learn to play the long game.

long term, china has nothing but bad karma 

 (any history book will tell ya - communists never win the long game)

 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.11  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.9    4 years ago

Both.

American companies behave in exactly the same way.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.10    4 years ago
communists never win the long game

Do you really think China is still Communist?

Seriously?

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
3.4.13  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.12    4 years ago

tell me what CCP or CPC stands for.

I will wait....

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Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.13    4 years ago

In certain respects, China is Communist, but when it comes to its economy it is Capitalist, and with respect to aiming for a moderately prosperous society without poverty, it is succeeding.  If you don't think that will last, maybe you should focus your attention on the "perfect success" of what is happening these days in your own country. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.15  Bob Nelson  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.13    4 years ago
tell me what CCP or CPC stands for.

Do you really take for granted that the name of... whatever... accurately describes it?

That's kinda sorta naive.

The "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" must be a paradise of democracy, then...

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.16  Sparty On  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @3.4.13    4 years ago

Never argue with a commie.  

In their minds they are never wrong.   

Even though they regularly are.

Better dead, than red .....  for life.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.17  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @3.4.16    4 years ago

Have you ever encountered a "commie"?

What is a "commie", anyway??

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.18  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.17    4 years ago
Have you ever encountered a "commie"?

Yes i have, many of them actually.

What is a "commie", anyway??

You're a smart guy, you can figure it out.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.19  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @3.4.18    4 years ago

Of course I can figure it out. I did that long ago... and have updated my understanding of the word many times since.

I would be interested to know your definition of the word.

If it helps, here's my definition:
 - Derogatory adjective applied by a person with right-leaning ideas, to a person believed to have left-leaning ideas

Obviously, no one applies this term to themselves, so it is necessarily a "derogatory adjective". Beyond that fact, I would be interested to know what ideas, in your estimation, qualify as "commie". For example, is someone who favors "Medicare-for-All" a "commie"?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.20  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.19    4 years ago
Of course I can figure it out.   I did that long ago...

Then why did you ask?   Looking for an argument?   Bored this morning?

I would be interested to know your definition of the word.

I'm sure you would but i'm not interested in getting into the argument you are looking for about it.

That said i'm also not really all that interested in your opinion on the matter Bob.   Nothing there that slays me in the least.....

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.21  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @3.4.20    4 years ago
getting into the argument you are looking for about it

I'm not looking for an argument.

I'm looking to understand how you think.

(In another thread, I'll be try to understand how someone else thinks. That's why I come to NT: to understand how people's minds operate.)

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.22  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.21    4 years ago

My original comment explains how i think on the matter very clearly actually.

Better dead than red.

The Brain Salad Surgeons here on NT can interpret that however they want. 

I could care less  ....

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.23  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @3.4.22    4 years ago

That leaves the impression that the definition of "commie" isn't clear in your own mind. Surely that's a false impression. Surely you have a meaning for the words you use. When you say "Joe is a commie" you surely know what that means.

Why won't you share that definition? Don't worry about it being "wrong". In a conversation about words, no definition is "wrong". Your definition may be "different", but who could say that it is "wrong"? I gave you my definition. If you want to start by taking that apart, that's fine with me.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
3.4.24  Sparty On  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.23    4 years ago
That leaves the impression that the definition of "commie" isn't clear in your own mind

Perhaps to you but certainly not to me.

My clarity on the topic is not at issue in the least.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.25  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sparty On @3.4.24    4 years ago

If it's clear... why not share? I gave you my definition.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
3.4.26  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.4.25    4 years ago

I think he's made it clear that he thinks that "commie" means more than just a member of any Communist party, it obviously means to him anyone whose ideology veers anywhere to the left of his.  Now he can thank me for answering your question that he refused to do.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
3.4.27  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.4.26    4 years ago
I think he's made it clear...

Dunno.

It looks to me like he has no idea what "commie" might mean today, but he's been using the word for decades so it must mean something...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4  CB    4 years ago

Where is the national outrage? Why has Trump not been given a NO CONFIDENCE VOTE in Congress? The republicans and conservatives are 'strong-arming' our systems in plain sight now. How can we sit and let them?

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  CB @4    4 years ago

The damn goppers in Congress are afraid of Trump!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.1  CB  replied to  JBB @4.1    4 years ago

A whole party afraid of one man who puts his pants on just like every other man in this country? No, they are not afraid. They are in league with Trump. We know this, because they could end this charade at the RNC convention by not claiming him as their candidate.

The GOP made Donald politically. They can unmake him the same way. Simply give evidence of all his duplicities to the public by way of the media.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.2  seeder  JBB  replied to  CB @4.1.1    4 years ago

Trump can access FBI files to blackmail them!

You think Lindsey Graham want it coming out?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.3  CB  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 years ago

Lindsey Graham could evolve into the next Attorney General of the United States. The United States could evolve into Trump's one-party system. We don't want that, do we? We need to get to work now!  Call Congress—Monday AM.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.4  seeder  JBB  replied to  CB @4.1.3    4 years ago

Get with the program! I've been on it for years...

 
 
 
Account Deleted
Freshman Silent
4.1.5  Account Deleted  replied to  CB @4.1.1    4 years ago
one man who puts his pants on just like every other man in this country?

Sorry CB - can you prove that? Any pictures? Sworn testimony?

I figure if a guy has trouble managing  a drink of water with two hands - he probably can't put his pants on with out help either.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
4.1.6  seeder  JBB  replied to  Account Deleted @4.1.5    4 years ago

I figure his ball lickers pull his pants on and off. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1.7  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JBB @4.1.6    4 years ago
I figure his ball lickers pull his pants on and off. 

Bill Barr and Mike Pompeo have that dubious displeasure. Dirty Donald can't sleep at night unless his two little trouser elves get him to nut in their face.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
4.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  JBB @4.1    4 years ago
The damn goppers in Congress are afraid of Trump!

They are now just spineless goo at the mercy of Trumps ignorant rampage. All they can do now is to duck their heads and hope no one notices them trying to sneak out the back as the GOP building collapses.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
4.1.9  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.7    4 years ago
Bill Barr and Mike Pompeo

I hope those two are the first to go when Biden assumes office.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1.11  Bob Nelson  replied to    4 years ago

If Trump & Co have their way... yes.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1.13  Bob Nelson  replied to    4 years ago

Who needs force? The Republican Party just whittles away...

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
4.1.15  Bob Nelson  replied to    4 years ago
just think how much free shit could be given away if wasn't wasted

The problem, of course, is that each of us has a different definition of "waste".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
4.1.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.9    4 years ago

I hope it is to trial.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.17  CB  replied to  JBB @4.1.4    4 years ago

Good work! We need more fine citizens devoted to getting this "good trouble" accomplished.

I am calling my congressman and senators today!

We must call our politicians NOW!  Tell them, if they won't take Trump on; Then we will! That is, why do we need them in Washington, D.C. is we have to come up there ourselves?!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.18  CB  replied to  Account Deleted @4.1.5    4 years ago

HA!  Frankly, I don't care how that loser puts or gets help with putting his pants on. It is enough (thankfully) that he has those buns covered in public. I shutter to think what he could wear out in public if he cared to do otherwise! (Don't get the visuals!)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.19  CB  replied to    4 years ago

What?! Sorry, that comment is too 'sterile.' Elaborate a bit.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.9    4 years ago

pretty standard for an incoming President to put his own people in place.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
Professor Quiet
4.1.21  Ozzwald  replied to  CB @4.1.1    4 years ago
Simply give evidence of all his duplicities to the public by way of the media.

Are you forgetting the other whistleblowers that have come out against Trump actions?  AG Barr has made sure they DO NOT have the normal protections against retaliations from this administration.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
4.1.22  CB  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.21    4 years ago

This is 'America' and these colors don't run, right?! right?? Certainly, it is time to put up or shut up! The battle has already been engaged. Republicans have already taken for granted that democratic voices have lost the battles. We just have not fallen and hit the political ground yet. It is time, time to fight for all you, we, are worth!

Call your Congress people now! Demand that they publicize the disaster that is Trump and Russia (near publicly) working to steal this American election-right in front of yours and my eyes. Time to make a great noise before it does not matter!

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6  arkpdx    4 years ago

I see that the Democrats are already busy making excuses (false ones at that) for why Biden will lose in November. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  arkpdx @6    4 years ago

And the liberal left loves to accuse the right of conspiracy theories!jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1    4 years ago

Butt, isn't "US Intelligence" Trump's CIA and FBI? This is not from the left. It is from our own US Intelligence Services!

Also, it isn't a conspiracy if it is done out in the open. That does not mean it is not very illegal and morally abhorrent to any real Americans...

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.3  seeder  JBB  replied to    4 years ago

You need to read the article. It explains all that!

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.5  seeder  JBB  replied to    4 years ago

Be Honest! That is not what the article says...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.7  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.1    4 years ago

Friend Ed-NavDoc. Some more Trump supporters are waking up: Time for this one-man show with its circus boonery to stand down. Russia and Trump will be the republican party undoing. Democrats must eat your lunch over this!

We must call Speaker Pelosi and our congress persons to denounce any president of ours who won't accept the intel from his own federal agencies! NOW!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.8  CB  replied to    4 years ago

Democrats are not in bed with China. China is displeased because your idiot 'leader' insists on making them the butt of his remarks on a daily news basis. Anyway, you can try to deflect to China all you want. Russia is not going to get away with assisting Donald Trump and Republicans and Conservatives with stealing this country's election  NOT THIS TIME.

Donald Trump's sorry, lying, F-ked up to the Max, butt has got to go back out into the private sector where the rule of law can cover him! Because he can not be trusted to manage this nation!

Shame on you for accepting this trashy dude over your fellow countrymen. Shame on you!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.8    4 years ago

then why does china want Hiding Biden to win?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.10  CB  replied to    4 years ago

Trump screwed Trump. Period.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.12  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.9    4 years ago

I am not privy to China propaganda. You should ask China for your own edification. In my opinion the world should mind it its own damn business right now and let us fix our own broken house. We don't want or have time for any of this bullshit. People are scared, sick, and dying. And this bs is "incoming" or faux coming? They can all just go to. . . away!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @6.1.7    4 years ago

Contrary to the belief of some here on NT, I am a registered right leaning Independent but not really a Trump supporter. I do agree with some things he has done but not the majority. In point of fact I care for the liberal left a lot less. That is just me. People have to realize that people like Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, and the Squad are just as much part of the problem. If  you denounce Trump you have to denounce them too. My view is they all have to go as well. Peace to you Sir.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.1.12    4 years ago

but you were privy to Russia info?

ask yourself why China wants Hidin' Biden.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.1.15  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago
"China and Iran don't want Trump to win reelection"

The only country in the world that might is Israel, for obvious reasons, and I'm no longer so sure about Israel.

I really don't see any reason why China should not counter criticism by those opposed to China's interests, especially when its domestic affairs are being criticized and interfered with, but do you have any examples to establish that China is putting pressure on political figures?  So far all I've seen are responses to American China-bashing and terminating relationships that benefit Americans as well as the Chinese people.

What's the next thing Trump is going to do, (to be announced by his mouthpiece and 2024 presidential candidate-in-waiting, Pompous Pompeo)?  Demolish all of America's Chinatowns, for "National Security" reasons?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.16  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.14    4 years ago

You should ask China for your own edification. And you can stop playing this nauseating game of cat and mouse. It's not very patriotic: "Patriot."

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.1.18  CB  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.15    4 years ago

The article details that China and Iran may be using direct and public statements by Trump on Tweeter and 'beyond' against him and his administration. There is no 'meeting of the minds' with democrats or Joe Biden with China.

The usual suspects are once again 'syndicating up' to mislead and spread disinformation about world news and events!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.1.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago
What is China doing to defeat Trump? Its government has "grown increasingly critical of the current Administration's COVID-19 response, closure of China's Houston Consulate, and actions on other issues."

"Other issues" like trade wars, increasing tariffs to make life more expensive for the Chinese AND AMERICANS, banning Huawei that makes the benefits of 5G available to AMERICANS, banning TicTok and WeChat used and enjoyed by millions of AMERICANS, breaking into a Chinese Consulate contrary to International laws and protocols, even the closing of it without showing proof of its excuse, interfering in China's domestic affairs - and you expect China to be palsy-walsy with America?

What the fuck do you Americans expect China to do?  Kow-tow and say "Yes sir, No sir, Three bags full, sir."  As it is China is almost BEGGING America to be cooperative and strengthen ties at a time when world-wide cooperation is most needed to contain a world wide pandemic rather than cutting ties.  I guess you don't get to read or see THAT, do you?

And Trump is not stopping with China, he just recently took a shot at Canada over aluminum, that is now going to cost AMERICANS an increase in their living expense at a time when it is least needed. 

What the fuck???

All of that just to deflect from Trump's own incompetent and negligent mishandling of the containment of the virus (that other countries were able to accomplish) and the cultural revolution taking place in America today, by trying to prove that he is that "tough guy" who deserves their votes in November.  Are Americans REALLY THAT STUPID?  I don't think so.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
6.1.20  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.19    4 years ago

If China really wants to get under Trump's thin skin, they should revoke the 8 patents they issued to his gf/daughter.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.1.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago
"China and Iran don't want Trump to win reelection,"

Neither does at least half of your fellow Americans, as you will soon find out.  

And I hope it will be the biggest landslide victory, notwithstanding Biden's lacking the charisma of JFK, America has ever seen in order to PROVE that most Americans have a brain in their heads. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2  CB  replied to  arkpdx @6    4 years ago

And I see Trump supporters will defend Russians over Americans and American Intelligence Agencies. Begs the question: Trump supporters have outside intel resources. Is that lawful?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2    4 years ago

is it lawful??

lmao!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.3  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.1    4 years ago

What are you laughing your ass off for now, Texan?

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.2.4  arkpdx  replied to  CB @6.2    4 years ago

Gee just where did I defend the Russians? Remember in 2016 it was Hillary and the Democrats that worked with the Russians via a foreign agent. It was obama that knew of the Russian attempt to meddle as early as 2015 and did nothing. Remember that the head of the American communist party said at one time the democrat party was his biggest ally.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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6.2.5  Sparty On  replied to  CB @6.2.3    4 years ago

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arkpdx
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6.2.6  arkpdx  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.5    4 years ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.7  CB  replied to  arkpdx @6.2.4    4 years ago

Okay not defend, just let Russia steamroll American Intelligence agencies and that is okay by Trump supporters. Trump supporters have outside intel resources. Is that lawful?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.3    4 years ago

"Is it lawful"

good for a laugh!

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.9  Sparty On  replied to  CB @6.2.7    4 years ago
Okay not defend, just let Russia steamroll American Intelligence agencies and that is okay by Trump supporters.

Russian, in some form or another has been interfering in American affairs for over 60 years and now a few TDS ridden individuals try to put it all on Trump?    Ridiculous. 

So stop beating a dead horse.    The geopolitics of the situation mandate that Russia messes with the USA in whatever manner it pleases.   Happened on Obama’s watch, happened on Clinton’s watch so by your logic it must be their fault before Trumps.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.3    4 years ago

I find your question funny.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.12  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.10    4 years ago
Trump supporters have outside intel resources. Is that lawful?

I like bait today: Why do you consider my questioning of the Trump administration and Trump supporters having outside intelligence (as in international election tampering) resources to be funny?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.12    4 years ago

oh, so NOW you want to clarify what you stated. 

I support our President, and don't have any--zero, nada, zilch--election tampering resources. can you name anyone who actually does?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.14  CB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.9    4 years ago

We are not discussing, "American affairs." This is a discussion about the selection of the United States President/cy. Note the fine distinction.

So, you support the Trump administration permitting Russians to participate in the selection of the U.S. president in 2020? Is election tampering by anybody ever a patriotic thing, Sparty on?!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.15  CB  replied to    4 years ago

Why not? Trump supporters and some other conservatives blamed everything (including the proverbial kitchen sink) on the democratic black president; so its Chuck, Nancy, and Joe's fault you support a lying, megalomaniac with dreams of being our small g, "god"?

Clear the air for me: Do you know President Donald Trump is a pathological liar (that is, the lies can or do not have to benefit him)?  Yes / No.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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6.2.16  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago

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CB
Professor Principal
6.2.17  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.13    4 years ago

I had no expectation that you could not follow this mere discussion this far. Or, are you being coy?

Let's sound you out of this: (Point blank:)

Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Chuck Grassley, two old grey heads, is it proper for the senate to take documents from an adversary about a 2020 presidential election candidate?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.19  Sparty On  replied to  CB @6.2.14    4 years ago

Lol ... the US Presidency isn’t an American affair?

Who knew?

One wonders if you really believe all the BS you put out there.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.20  Sparty On  replied to    4 years ago

Their useful idiots will keep eating it with a spoon regardless.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
6.2.21  Buzz of the Orient  replied to    4 years ago

It was announced, with disdain (yet more American interference in China's domestic affairs), on CGTN (China Global Television Network).  That network is broadcast around the world, even has an office in Washington, D.C.. I watch it every day.  Are you allowed to watch it?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.24  CB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.19    4 years ago

You continue your difficult efforts of drilling down into the world of suspension of belief: That's disturbingly boring.  I don't give you the comfort of my BS, Sparty On. Not even. (Chuckles.)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.25  CB  replied to    4 years ago

I hope our collective 'butt' can hold all the 'business' and "good trouble" (sarcasm) Trump is preparing to thrust our way! "Whoa, I mean, hold butt!"

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
6.2.26  Sparty On  replied to  CB @6.2.24    4 years ago

I continue to deal in reality friend.   Nothing more, nothing less.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.27  CB  replied to  Sparty On @6.2.26    4 years ago

Okay, reality 'dealer' answer this question: In your opinion is Donald Trump lying about U.S. children having immunity to the Coronavirus? Time to cut this spinning BS out! If you parse the answer it will 'convict' you of a partisanship role in this discussion..

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.2.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @6.2.27    4 years ago

I hope you're not expecting a straight answer, CB

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
6.2.29  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @6.2    4 years ago

Trump supporters have outside intel resources.

I don't think that tea leaves and ouji boards qualify.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.30  CB  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.2.28    4 years ago

Yes, I do expect a straightforward answer to the question. I be damned if I continue responding to spin! This is serious business and lies and cover-ups won't cut it. Act now is what we must do, before Trump supporters 'own' us all and this warped reality is all that we have to choose. Remember, RBG is depending on you!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.2.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @6.2.15    4 years ago

No offense, but are you a board certified psychiatrist with MD behind your name or a licensed clinical psychologist that can diagnose another person as a pathological liar?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.32  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2.31    4 years ago

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CB
Professor Principal
6.2.33  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2.31    4 years ago

Let's advance this, instead of circling your wagons.

Do you know President Donald Trump is apathological liar (that is, the lies are compulsive and can or do not have to benefit him)?  Yes / No.

You owe it to the rest of us and the nation to cut this spinning of every comment out!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.34  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.32    4 years ago

You should straightforwardly answer the question too! For the same reason. The question (for you) is this: Why not answer it?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.2.35  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @6.2.33    4 years ago

Clinically, I cannot say as I am neither of the professionals I listed above. That is not circling the wagons as you put it, that is straightforward fact. I don't practice medicine without a license. Seems like you just want me to agree with you for the sake of agreeing with you. I don' t play that way. If you ask if he lies, yeah I'll say he does. Is he "pathological liar" in a clinical sense, again I'm not qualified to judge that.  I won't fall into a trap. We are just going to have to agree to disagree at this point and let it go. Have a good day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.36  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.34    4 years ago

I can answer it fine.

children are not immune to the virus.

And?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.37  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2.35    4 years ago

Let's not just "have a nice day." Share your (biased or unbiased) opinion. You owe this discussion something more than just walking away!

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.2.38  arkpdx  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @6.2.29    4 years ago
I don't think that tea leaves and ouji boards qualify.

Don't use either only truth and facts. Still those would be better sources the the left uses which is most just pulling things out of their butts. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.2.39  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  CB @6.2.37    4 years ago

I "owe" this discussion nothing more than what I choose to provide or not provide. I refer you back to  #6.2.35. I answered  you question. That is all the answer you are going to get. If that is not satisfactory to you, that's the way it goes. I'm done.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.40  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.36    4 years ago

Did President Donald Trump say anything about children being immune to this virus we are currently dealing with? Yes. No. What?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.41  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.40    4 years ago

stop asking the same question.

I answered you.

do I need to explain my answer to you?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.42  CB  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @6.2.35    4 years ago

Okay. Here is my contextual definition:

pathological
[ˌpaTHəˈläjək(ə)l]
ADJECTIVE
  1. relating to pathology.
    "the interpretation of pathological studies"

Straightforwardly, does this informal definition for the lying you can hear from Donald Trump seem closer to a fit? Yes. No.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
6.2.43  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.41    4 years ago
6.2.36  Texan1211  replied to  CB @6.2.34    an hour ago

I can answer it fine.

children are not immune to the virus.

And?

You're mistaken. It is not the same question. Here is that question from @6.2.27:

In your opinion is Donald Trump lying about U.S. children having immunity to the Coronavirus?

You depersonalized the question and delivered a blanket statement of fact. Now, are you free and able to answer the question as is?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
7  Sparty On    4 years ago

Pretty strong allegations.   

Wonder if they got their intelligence from Christopher Steele again.

Hopefully they have real proof this time.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
8  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

Thread #6.2 has been locked due to repetitive taunting and badgering.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.1  Sparty On  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8    4 years ago

Dogpile in aisle 6.2 ......

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
8.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  sandy-2021492 @8    4 years ago

A lot more than just 6.2 have, including mine.  How is mine taunting and/or badgering?

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
8.2.1  Sparty On  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8.2    4 years ago

Moderating this group of know it alls is a thankless job.    I’m including both of us in that group is case you were wondering ......

 
 

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