It is Over, Let's Move On ★★UPDATED★★
Let's consider Trump's chances at reversing the results of this election:
GA and NC are still outstanding. Biden has a razor thin lead in GA and Trump is ahead in NC. So let's be generous, assume some last minute reversal in GA, and give both to Trump. That would bring his electoral count up to 245.
GA+NC = 245
AZ has already been called and now declared to be free of fraud. Trump lost so AZ is out of the running.
So we turn to the next closest states (also already called for Biden). These are 99% (essentially done) but WI and PA both have a 0.7% difference which is close. So let's assume a recount will flip WI for Trump.
GA+NC+WI = 255
Still not enough, that means we need to bring in the unlikely NV (2.7% Biden lead) or the close PA (0.7%) and assume a recount will flip the already called NV or PA for Trump.
GA+NC+WI+NV= 261
NV does not move the needle enough to matter, so Trump needs to flip PA.
GA+NC+WI+PA = 275 ✓
Alternatively, we could go with MI flipping but Biden is 2.7% ahead with 99% in, so it is not even close.
So Trump must win GA and NC. He must then flip WI and PA.
And all of these states are near complete in their official tallies.
This is done.
Biden has now won GA and Trump has won NC. Thus revising the analysis:
With NC, Trump now has 232 electoral votes. If he flips both WI and PA he still has only 262 electoral votes. Even if he could flip NV he would have 268 electoral votes.
There is no path to victory, not even a hope.
Will some continue to stubbornly defy reality?
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So now what do we talk about?
Let’s not move on because it’s not over!
Irrational.
The new name really says it all.
From a mathematical and probability standpoint, yes it is over.
A name that screams...... "Waaaaaah!".
Trump officially lost Georgia & AZ to Biden, both states he needed to have any chance. So, you were saying?
As much as I wish it was not it is. President Trump can either concede or continue to drag this out and create more animosity, hate, and discontent or just be civil and step down like he already should have. I hope he concedes as there is no possible, reasonable, or rational way he can turn this around in his favor. I am not a Biden supporter and did not vote for him but the will of the people have spoken and like it or not Joe Biden will lead this country for the next four years. We just have to make the best of it. We do have to move on one way or the other.
I can understand your pain, Ed. But I give you credit for being sensible. This is what has always made our democracy work. Kudos.
Gee were you saying that in 2000 and 2016? I think not
How would you know what I said back then?
Don't you just love cheap presumption in lieu of intelligent commentary?
Like I love skin rash, lol. But cheap presumption or other nonsense is what I've come to expect from certain individuals, as it's all they ever seem to have.
I wish I was more like you back in 2016.
Movies, music, pets, neurological disorders, kids, grandkids [for those that have them], TV shows, sports [even though my household doesn't watch them] .... there's endless possibilities. Just sayin.
Fishing and beer
We could start saying how bad a job Biden is doing. We could also talk about how he should be impeached.
How, he has not yet started his role as PotUS?
On what grounds?
Neither of those reasons stopped Democrats from bringing them after Trump was elected in 2016. So why can't we discuss them now?
Can you determine on your own if an action is proper or rational? Are you seriously trying to argue that if your opponent does something then it is ipso facto proper or rational for you to do likewise?
My position is that it is wrong —and irrational— to start criticizing or speaking of impeaching a president-elect regarding the job s/he is doing before they even start the job.
Donald Trump was, is, and highly probably with be, a Trumphole until the day he departs this plane of existence. Joe Biden may be a great many things, but you don't find too many self-serving, me-me-me types, willing to do 40 year stretches of public service: as the rewards are capped.
Additionally, Donald Trump came down the escalator to announce his candidacy with an 'blazing' insult to certain portions of the citizenry. First impressions matter. So yes, we 'clocked' his brazen-ness.and watched him warily thereafter. I can only assumed he wants to be taken for what he shells out. If this "dude" wants to steamroll 'meria, he should have been prepared for this nation to push back and 'power-wash' him accordingly!
You can bet nobody believes that. Because I can think of quite a number of scenarios where some conservatives wouldn't dare 'tread' - so this is just rhetoric and selected outrage!
Of course.
This is by far the most common justification for... anything...
Hillary did it! Obama did it. Al Gore! Pelosi. anyone..
The very worst (supposed, unproven) behavior... of the persons most despised... is the baseline for "acceptable behavior" by one's own champion.
No reference is made to any constant moral code. Nothing is intrinsically right or wrong.
Did Hillary ever do it? Even once? Then it's OK for my guy, full-time.
It is the quintessential wathaboutism: Him?,Her?, It, That? Although, if one values low standards or no standards, then whataboutisms don't 'compute,' anyway!
Or Bush 43 did it! Bush 41 did it! Or Reagan did it! Like we kept hearing for the right years of Obama. Get off your high horse the left s no better
Jeez, man!
You're making the exact error I was talking about. Now... LISTEN !
It doesn't matter who else did "it".
If "it" is wrong... then "it" is wrong when I do it, when you do it, when anybody does it.
The over/under on the transition to President Harris?
(sigh)
LOL. Put me down for 2 years...
There is that elephant in the room. Many people are proud of this nation, it's values, the Constitution and the free enterprise system. They are being opposed in all of those beliefs by a powerful class which is concerned only with some injustice that some group once endured. Regardless of how Donald Trump choses to frame his loss, we shall be divided along those lines for the indefinite future.
Yes and if those who still yearn for the days of the "Lost Cause" would just get over that shit, maybe we could unify the country again.
Jeez, Vic!
Weasel-words, much ?
If you mean "Black people", why don't you use those words? If you mean something else, say that.
You can't complain about the elephant in the room, and then not talk about it.
Y-e-e-e-e-sh!
Whooooosh!
Did somebody blow Donald's mind this time using the inherent power in the vote? Is that what this is about?
The odds of any of those combinations working are a billion to one. Trump is toast, but that is only the start of a very tough next few years. The pandemic is devastating the US with no end in sight. The economy is struggling with over 700,000 new unemployment claims this week. Rents and mortgages are due with thousands more on the edge. The Americas and Europe are struggling with the pandemic recording record numbers. A number of our critical arms of government are in disarray (close to 70 days left until Biden takes over)
Asia is a bright spot as most of the countries are showing good growth and have, for the moment, the virus under control. This, of course, is a big advantage for China on the world stage.
Meanwhile, we have a president that is hiding out in the WH sending tweets about how the election is being stolen from him (absolutely no proof) as thousands of Americans are dying daily and new cases are setting a new record every day. Trump is oblivious to the suffering of millions of Americans.
Now, other than that how did you enjoy the play, Mrs. Lincoln?
How about them Cowboys?
How about those Colts?
How about my Chiefs?!
Stillers!
That's "Steelers" for those of you not from the Pittsburgh Metro
I used to watch the Balamer Coats! Unitas to Berry... touchdown!
Geux Saints!
Nothing like a team that is consistently good during the first half and blows it in the second.
Kinda daunting...
May I add that the Fascist Party of America (otherwise known as the Republican Party) will soon be diligently using Trump's truncated census results to further gerrymander their states, in view to 2022, when the TrumpTrueBelievers will return in force.
The Fascist Party of America has been working to eliminate democracy in America for decades already... Waiting another two or four or eight years... is not a problem for them.
How about those Lions?
Just kidding... they have sucked for YEARS!
Being a Vikings fan, I really enjoyed last week's game.
I wouldn't know anything about any games, when they're on, or who's even playing... no one watches sports in my household.
I don't either but the Cardinals are from my home state of Arizona.
How about them Cardinals?
8 killed in Egypt today including 6 American military in a training helicopter crash.
No word from the White House.
Oh come on SP, Trump tweeted about the Masters. He has his priorities you know...
That self-absorbed twit in the WH considers them to be suckers and losers.
Asd Joe Biden has just been declared the "projected winner" in AZ
That's a step above "Apparent Winner". lol
11,000 plus lead and 11,000 provisional votes to review. It's over
290
Like I said last week, 306 - 232
I can hear the opera rehearsing...
Then we move on to Trump 2024!
You are almost through the 7 stages of grief. Have hope. Go back to real religion.
https://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html#:~:text=Here%20is%20the%20grief%20model%20we%20call%20the,death%20on%20someone%20else.%20...%20More%20items...%20
I think he is still grieving over Palin.
Trump 2024!
For once I agree.
You and all the other TrumpTrueBelievers will again come out massively, to try to end democracy in America once and for all.
I've been thru the stages of grief numerous times and one can get to one stage pretty quickly but then have to repeat the process all over again. Some steps can very difficult to reach and then maintain
That's a good one
Is that Cliff Clavin (John Ratzenberger) from Cheers?
At least you get to keep the stupid hat.
Whether or not Trump ceases to be a topic depends on whether or not he goes away after Jan 20.
When I say "goes away" I mean not demanding to be seen on the news everyday. When he left office, Obama disappeared from view for months at a time and didnt really reappear until the late stages of the recent election. George W Bush hardly made news at all , ever, since he left office in 2009. Past presidents have not needed to be the center of national attention after they left office. That will be put sternly to the test in 2021.
Oh, indeed!
Trump will not go quietly into oblivion.
Of course not. He will make noises.
The question is, who will listen? Could be anything from no one to a hundred million.
The problem is that it is never over. The next election is less than two years from now. And what happens now is only preparation for the next election.
We've been lulled into accepting that a sports mentality applies to politics.
80 million votes is less than a quarter of the population of the United States. One in four people decided who would be President. Is that really democracy?
Crunching the numbers won't change that the United States is governed by a minority. 180 million people did not vote; that's more than half the population of the United States. A Presidential candidate could have run unopposed and got every vote but would still not have been elected by a majority of the people in the United States.
If only a quarter of the nation's population voted, then they chose the President. Everyone else have the right to vote but apparently chose not to. That's on them. In effect, they waived their right to have any say in the election.
No, they don't have the right to exercise the vote. About 100 million people living in the United States cannot vote for a variety of reasons.
If every eligible voter voted that would only be about two thirds of the population.
Nowadays, being elected by a majority of the people in the United States doesn't mean crap with the electoral college.
Why can't those 100 million people vote? Is it because they are felons? Whose fault is that? Certainly not yours or mine
The presumption is were referring to eligible voters. I think you know that Nerm. Regardless, my point still stands.
About one third of the population of the United States cannot vote for a variety of reasons. One out of four people elected Joe Biden. With or without the electoral college, Joe Biden was not elected by a majority of people in the United States.
Underage, non-citizenship, mental incompetency, etc. A third of the population cannot vote for a variety of reasons. But government is supposed to represent those people, too.
True that. Most of them are under the age of 18.
So? Are you going to let 12 year olds and infants vote?
The reality is that our President is selected by one in four people in the United States. Changing the rules of the bar game to claim a majority doesn't objectively describe reality.
Those people can't vote by law. Life isn't fair, Nerm. I'm sure somebody told you that at some point in your life.
Underage voters are represented by their parents/guardians. Mental incompetents almost always have a guardian, they represent their charge when they vote.
Non-citizens? I really don't think there's anything to say there.
I've caught on to your game. You're arguing just to argue or troll.
Since this is not my seed I will just leave that alone.
Unfortunately that is allowed by the CoC.
Lies, damnable lies and statistics, lol.
Are you advocating for allowing every person in the US to vote without age limit, citizenship requirements or felony restrictions?
Because if you're NOT, your comment is moot
Exactly:
I'm stating that a sports mentality applied to politics doesn't accomplish what we are led to believe. Governing isn't about which team wins.
The blue team and red team, combined, are less than half the population of the country. And one out of four people decide which team wins. Politics in the United States is not about democracy.
He was elected by a plurality of people in the United States.
People who vote determines who wins by majority. That's how it and our "democracy" works. That's how it has always worked so there is no "rule change." If people do not want to vote, that is their preogative. Elections are based on who votes, not whom does not vote. If you want more than 1/4 of the population to have a say, then get them to come out and vote, like everyone else. They have that right, just like everyone else. So our "democracy" is fair and equal.
Democracy does not necessarily mean 100% of the population is eligible to participate. Even in ancient Athens (on a much smaller scale with fewer and less complex issues) this was not the case.
Not having 100% eligibility does not make our process undemocratic.
To steal a phrase from TiG: SO WHAT?
Blather all you want the 'population' but the FACT is, unless you advocate for EVERY inhabitant of the country to be FORCED to vote, those that qualify and CHOOSE to do so will decide. Citing a percentage of the WHOLE population while supporting an ideology that relies on minimizing voter participation is hypocritical.
80 million votes is a quarter of the population. Joe Biden was not elected by a plurality of people in the United States; that's incorrect.
Joe Biden was elected by a majority of voters. But less than half the population of the United States voted. If Joe Biden has a mandate to represent those who voted for him then that is only one out of four people in the United States.
Yes, the election is over and Joe Biden won. But Biden won the election with the support of one out of four people in the United States. The same can be said of Trump winning the 2016 election.
And the end of the 2020 election cycle only started the 2022 election cycle. Biden won the 2020 election with the support of one out four people but we've already started the next blue team/red team contest.
Throughout our history, the PotUS was elected by a minority of the population.
What is your point? You cannot be arguing that this means we are not practicing democracy unless you are redefining the word 'democracy'. So what are you trying to say?
Under 18 is surely the biggest reason.
Ummmmm.....
Not "undemocratic"... but "less democratic".
You know what he's doing, TiG.
Semantically correct. A society that allows its infants, felons, etc. to vote would be technically more democratic than ours.
It's one of the reasons, but there are also felons, dishonorably discharged vets (which I forgot about) and non-citizens both legal and illegal. If Nerm is trying to say he wants all those people to vote, then he is in for a rude awakening. Except for the non-citizens, the others put themselves in the non-voter category and I have no sympathy for them. And I'm not about to change my mind on non-citizens voting. Become a citizen, then become part of the process.
As for minors, there's a reason why they can't vote.
Yeah, but I have never recognized the value of this particular game.
Even in Ancient Athens only citizens had the right to vote and if I remember my ancient history correctly, not everyone was a citizen. Citizens were property owners
It's annoying and exhausting.
Hence three branches of government, state sovereignty (within limits), and the electoral college.
Democratic methods does not make a democracy. The fact that the United States is a representative republic really is more important than just a bumper sticker slogan used in a blue team/red team contest.
What does any given candidate winning an election really mean? You've crunched the numbers to 'prove' that Joe Biden won the 2020 election and that Trump has no chance of changing that outcome. Why is that important?
Within the context of the blue team/red team contest, the blue player defeated the red player. But that win was accomplished with one out of four people. Does that mean a quarter of population now determines the future of the country? Does that mean three quarters of the population no longer have a say in the future of the country?
If you don't know the word, you should look it up. It will save you from looking foolish.
plurality
nounDefinition of plurality
1 a : the state of being plural
That is what I thought, you have your own definition of 'democracy'.
The concept of a Republic is that ultimate power rests with the people. The most common method of the people (the demos) exercising their power in a (true) Republic is through democracy. In the case of a Republic that means representative (aka indirect) democracy vs. direct democracy.
We are a constitutional, federated Republic using representative democracy (with direct democracy in rare cases) as the means by which the people exercise their power.
It is good to know who will be PotUS.
No. It means that some voters in the USA exercised their right to vote. Of those who voted, the majority favored Biden. Also, the votes caused the electoral college tally to go in Biden's favor. Biden, thus, is the president-elect.
Those who could vote but did not vote chose to not vote. They made a choice. Those who cannot vote (minors, felons, etc.) have no opportunity to control the political future with a vote. They must use other means of influence until they reach legal voting age (or regain their vote after being a felon).
So, in short, it is true that the PotUS is (and this has always been true) elected by a minority of the population. Also: The Earth is an ellipsoid. Snow is cold. Death is inevitable. Trump is an asshole. etc.
I feel as though I am explaining basic civics to high school students. Why are you asking such naïve questions when clearly you know better?
Or people legally able to vote, but are otherwise incapacitated, but I do realize that's not a large portion of US citizens. It was just an addition to your list.
People of sound mind should still be able to vote it doesn't matter the nature of their physical incapacitation.
It's pretty difficult to do when you're in and out of surgeries for months and completely loopy while not in surgery.
As in... my stepdad wasn't thinking about voting when he was losing his leg to gangrene caused by a physician that should lose his damn license... the physician that performed his initial surgery isn't even board certified.
e.g. "otherwise incapacitated"
A coma patient would be considered "otherwise incapacitated" too.
True but that's what absentee ballots are for, if a person can get one
I don't have an answer for that. It looks like some people won't be able to vote.
With hospitals not allowing people in [in some instances], you're right... IF a person can get one.
100 Senators and 435 Representatives can create a universal basic income with two democratic votes (one in each chamber). The President can overturn those two democratic votes with a veto. The President, Senators, and Representatives were elected with a democratic vote.
But, but, but ... The discussion is only about the Presidential election. The President can completely bypass Congress with executive orders because the President claims voters gave them a mandate. But that President was elected by only a quarter of the population.
Now explain to us all how that fits your definition of democracy. You are selectively applying the definition of democracy and then accusing me of changing the definition?
I am not the one trying to redefine the term ' democracy '. What you just described was representative democracy — that which exists in every true Republic.
I would ask you to look up the term, but instead I will simply provide the definition from Oxford:
The latter part of the definition is referring to representative democracy.
Democracy is not necessarily direct (or indirect) voting by every citizen. In fact, as I noted before, this was not true even in ancient Athens.
The definition provided fits with your scenario. So what is your problem here Nerm? Do you have a problem with the CotUS and the powers it provides to the Executive branch? Do you dislike the representative democracy reflected by Congress?
Or are you arguing just for the sake of argument?
Neither am I redefining the term 'democracy'.
Now you are redefining the term 'democracy' with a qualifier to match what I have correctly described. The United States is a democratic republic - and not - a representative democracy.
I have a problem with people claiming I am redefining terms and then those people who made the allegations trying to redefine their position to match what I have been saying all along.
And posting a definition still hasn't answered the question I posed in @7.1.35. The United States cannot be a representative democracy because voters elect a President, Senators, and Representatives who are not required to agree. Voters do not elect a singular representative; voters elect many representatives at many levels of government. The United States is a democratic republic.
Yeah, you are just arguing for the sake of it.
The two are not mutually exclusive; in fact Republic implies representative democracy. I have already explained this so I will quote myself:
Seems clear to me.
The term 'representative democracy' aka indirect democracy is an extremely well established term. For you to suggest that my use of that term is a redefinition of democracy means that you have very little understanding of democracy. Especially since I just gave you the definition from Oxford. How can that be, Nerm?
I gave you Oxford's definition. I did not create any definition. If you have a problem with the definition, take it up with Oxford. But note that Oxford is in agreement with the other dictionaries and academic treatments of democracy and representative democracy. In short, you are on the wrong side of facts and are simply projecting.
How ridiculous. What does agreement have to do with representative democracy? There is no requirement to agree in any system (other than a dictatorship).
So what? The fact that we are a federated system with national, state and local government does not change the fact that our system is based on representative democracy. The USA is a constitutional federated Republic using representative democracy (with direct democracy in rare cases) as the means by which the people exercise their power.
All ( true ) Republics are democratic. Do you not even understand what the word Republic means?:
The supreme power is held by the people (the demos). Now remember the definition of Democracy:
If you do not understand this then I think I am done trying to explain it. I have broken this down repeatedly. Do some research and learn what these terms mean.
If you do understand this then you are simply arguing for the sake of argument (my hypothesis) and since we are going around in circles I am not going to continue this nonsense.
Your hanging on this long is admirable.
Or......
And impressive.
Trump is an insane asshole who trashes his best friends.
Biden is a nice guy that everybody likes no matter the party.
I'm sure it will only be a matter of time that Trump concedes his defeat, but I will not have a problem with him exercising his right to challenge the election. He and his supporters have been beaten down by the left and the media (the same) for 4 years for no other reason than his name is not Hillary. .
Anybody that applauded Gore not conceding until December 13th, and having a hissy fit that Trump has not yet conceded is nothing but being hypocritical.
Just remember....in less than 2 years, the country will vote once again for the House and some Senate seats. The left cannot afford to lose any more seats in the House, and there will be far more leftist seats up for reelection than republicans. It is well known the left does not like to come out during mid terms, so there is a likely chance that the Republicans will take the House and continue to control the Senate.
Either way, there is a good chance that the socialist ideas that many on the left are trying to push will get nowhere because the Senate is still held by Republicans.
In 4 years, more than likely the republican nominee for president will not be running against Biden, but more than likely against Harris. The socialist experiment in the country will once again be denied.
"He and his supporters have been beaten down by the left and the media (the same) for 4 years for no other reason than his name is not Hillary. ."
Never happened
It is understood that those that have participated in such activities always deny it.
Happened every day...remember the pointless impeachment fiasco?
I was actually disgusted by Trump long before he got into politics.
The fact that it is now virtually impossible for Trump to win will make no difference to his antics, because winning for him was a lost cause anyway. What he is doing is intended to keep his following, intending either to run again in 2024 or as an audience for a TV talk-show that he will moderate, with both being a possibility. It will be interesting to see how much success he will have if in fact he spends some time in Jail for his crimes.
It is unlikely that the nation will prosecute an ex-PotUS but it is possible. I think Trump will seek an avenue to continue his celebrity so we will be stuck with him (to a lesser degree). But I doubt he well get anything more than a sliver of the attention he received as PotUS so it will be okay.
I tend to think celebrity is the main reason why Trump wanted to be President. Few people garner more attention than the President.
Rallies were obviously so important to him.
Getting attention and feeding his ego is important to him. I think he spent more time tweeting than he did actually governing the country. Covid is getting out of control again and he wastes time worrying about voter fraud rather than about Covid. How people can support someone with such screwed up priorities boggles the mind.
I actually think that is why he ran. I believe he never intended to win and was surprised that he become such a dominant front-runner in 2016. He became PotUS because he failed to find an exit strategy and kindof got carried in by the wave. However, in 2020 I am convinced that he really, really, really wanted to be reelected.
I have to agree with that assessment. Now the GOP has an 800 lb gorilla to deal with that will not let a legitimate GOP candidate run in 2024.
Unforeseen outcomes.
Do you think the GOP will support a 2024 run for Trump or will they be that much against him?
Trump will want to keep his radical base in his pocket for his planned 2024 run. So he will make sure that he keeps his face in their face to keep them loyal to him. That includes many of his admin staff who took a loyalty oath to him.
However, it may be difficult to keep his face in the news as much as he would like from a prison cell. And he has a lot of investigations to deal with after he leaves office as well.
I think they are afraid of his base and that supporting another candidate, will cause another Republican loss. On the other hand, supporting him could have the same net outcome in another race (depending on who the Dems throw at him). If he truly cared about his party he would bow out and let someone else have a chance like Nikki Haley, et al.
This is another possibility, but this cat seems to have more than 9 lives.
That could be true, but, if he is convicted of even one crime he would automatically not be eligible to run for President. And the possibility of that happening looks pretty good at this point.
I think it depends on the discovery of counterparts for concessions of Federal land, oil, forests... that the Administration has delivered to private interests, for no apparent reason.
There may be a flood of private lawsuits, now that he doesn't have the DOJ to run interference.
Do you think the GOP will support a 2024 run for Trump or will they be that much against him?
The $64 question!
Watching the GOP muddle through this may be the best entertainment we have for the next few years.
That will be the ultimate result. Trump will concede shortly, Dems will likely lose the House at midterms, while Repubs retain the Senate, so Biden won't accomplish much. Trumpism will prosper and grow, while the GOP Establishment withers and dies.
Lol. Yesterday someone here posted some of your past quotes about predicting what would happen in 2020. So based on your record, it looks like Dems are poised to take the senate, the house, and the White House in 2024.
They've spent almost 4 years kowtowing to Trump out of fear of a tweet. I see no evidence that they will suddenly gird their loins and stand up to him. Once unleashed, without sufficient staff to clean up and limit Trump's twitter rages, who knows what hoops Trump will try to make the GOP jump through. I think that Trump will further erode what little credibility the GOP 'leadership' has left. Trump will not go gentle into that good night. I wonder if he is already preparing a list of nicknames for them all.
The longer they cower from him, the longer they allow him to control their actions, the less they can lay any claim to be working for the good of the country in good faith. Judging from the statements put out by my own GOP Senators, as of this morning, they are still all in for Trump AND all in on defying health guidelines to mitigate the effects of the pandemic.
They've sold their soul for cheap.
I had a fabulous CoC violation to throw @11.1.13. I like your non-violation much better...subtle, with just the right amount of in-your-face with a hint of boom shakalaka.
As do I.
I've said before that I think he treated the whole campaign and Presidency as a reality show. He never seemed to take the job seriously, as is demonstrated by his dismal response to Covid as one example. He just liked being the center of attention.
Winning the Presidency must have been a huge ego stroking for him. Not to mention constant attention. It's no surprise he wouldn't leave, even if he didn't like the job or know what he was doing.
And in a bigly way too.
His ego and narcissism wouldn't accept anything less.
Wouldn't Biden have in 2024 the advantages that Trump had this time around had it not been for the virus? If he does choose re-election he would be the incumbent, surely 4 years from now the virus will have been defeated, economy will most likely be rising and employment much improved. His age then could be a detriment, although right now I'm older than he would be then, and I'm still lucid (I think).
I think he's pass the relay to Kamala.
I guess that will depend on her performance over the next 4 years. Harris could face Nikki Haley, who is no slouch herself, and was never a Trumpster, if Trump DOESN'T run again, and although Pompeo may have aspirations, he's a pompous lying Trump ass-kisser who I wouldn't trust with a dime. There are other Democrats that might be in a position to run in the future - Buttigieg for example.
My crystal ball says...
NY will be prosecuting Trump.
It’s not over until God smashes the clay jar of deceit in America with his iron rod!!
Jeebus, Larry, and Yoseph, what a freakin' mess she is.
most of these fucking bible thumpers need to be in a mental facility where they can't hurt anyone.
Has a bible thumper harmed you in some way?
Yes! Bible thumpers don't believe in the reality of science.
Anthropogenic global warming is a real thing.
Don't forget evolution too.
Will some continue to stubbornly defy reality?
In a word? Yes.
Trump already got his flip. America has flipped him the middle finger.
Trump has made a mockery
Of American democracy
He refuses to concede
To give up the lead
Transition prevented
To saboutage instead
He'll be ravaged by history
For political blasphemy
Bringing humiliation
To the American nation
This will definitely tarnish his already tarnished personal record (how he behaved as PotUS). Thing is, that record is already so discolored that this will likely not even be noticeable.
How many more presidential transgressions can this man irresponsibly display before he slays any chance of 2024 for a comeback?
If he has a chance in 2024 (which I do not see unless this nation goes through a hellish four years) then it would seem that nothing would do any damage. A real concern is that the business cycle will start turning during Biden's presidency. Biden will get the blame and Trump will come back with the 'see I told you so; vote for me and I will rebuild the greatest economy ever known'.
People will buy that crap.
Possibly. With one "bigly" and not so surprising exception: Donald Trump will have a solid record of talking lying for four solid years; all the more to trap him. Old man and his played out tricks. Equally or more importantly, Biden and his team will get to flesh out the 2020 pandemic comprehensively - we will learn if this sickness and death is Trump's "Benghazi"!
Too many people apparently do not care about his lies and other character flaws. It is incredible, but empirically true.
But, "Lincoln Project." Four years to go take back their "stuff." (Never thought I would see a day I would "celebrate" a proper republican party!)
Well I am not going to concern myself with this. Let's take this one year at a time.
Also, when will it strike home with the public and some republicans that they are losing touch with their political grounding? Their party is suspended in mid-air. That Trump furthering his reach as "In-charge" means proper republicans have lost control of the GOP?
I hear you loud and clear. Trump is the one who has thrown down yet another future 'guanlet' (marker), nevertheless!
Sadly... the answer is "as many as time permits".
Until now, TrumpTrueBelievers have happily accepted whatever mayhem he has committed. There's no reason to imagine they will change.
I don't think the republicans and conservatives get it. Our country can not simply exist in its infantile state permanently. The proper course of nature is to grow, mature, and seniority. There is no good way to invite all these immigrant cultures here from across the planet and then tell them to go their way or worse define freedom for some separate and apart from freedom for others. It did not work out before (for women, slaves, LGBTQ, et ceteras) and the 'divide' can't work out even now!
If this country wants to truly live up to its freedom creed: then get on with it. Maximum qualified freedoms for all! Noone reasonably held back, repressed, or oppressed that is!
Excellent post.
maybe Michael Cohen can write an addendum to his book, lol.
Hopefully he will be behind bars by 2024 for many years.
Just like football.
We'll say this year was one big fumble.
So your saying... he still has a chance?...
And like Lloyd, he will no doubt blow up the bathroom next to the oval office...