Trump pushes Georgia governor to help overturn Biden election win
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Via: sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom • 4 years ago • 226 commentsBy: Emma Newburger (MSN)
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Trump pushes Georgia governor to help overturn Biden election win
- President Donald Trump called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Saturday and asked him to convince state legislators to help overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in Georgia and permit an audit of signatures on the absentee ballots.
- The request is Trump's latest attempt to interfere with the results of the 2020 presidential election, in a state where two GOP Senate runoff races in January could decide which party controls the Senate.
- The call was first reported by The Washington Post.
President Donald Trump called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp on Saturday and asked him to convince state legislators to help overturn President-elect Joe Biden's win in Georgia and permit an audit of signatures on absentee ballots.
The request is Trump's latest attempt to interfere with the results of the 2020 presidential election in a state where two GOP Senate runoff races in January could decide which party controls the Senate. The call was first reported by The Washington Post.
Trump has argued without evidence that Georgia election officials took voter ballots with signatures that didn't match the ones on file. A recount in Georgia following the election affirmed Biden's victory and the results have been certified.
The president referenced the call in a tweet on Saturday afternoon, calling for a signature audit of Georgia's absentee ballots and claiming discrepancies in the process.
"I will easily & quickly win Georgia if Governor @BrianKempGA or the Secretary of State permit a simple signature verification," Trump wrote. "Has not been done and will show large scale discrepancies. Why are these two "Republicans" saying no? If we win Georgia, everything else falls in place!"
Kemp, a Republican and longtime Trump ally, wrote on Saturday in response to the president's tweet: "As I told the President this morning, I've publicly called for a signature audit three times (11/20, 11/24, 12/3) to restore confidence in our election process and to ensure that only legal votes are counted in Georgia."
In another tweet, the president urged Kemp to "immediately" request a special session in the state legislature.
The governor reportedly declined the president's request during the call, an anonymous source told The Post. Kemp's office's has said publicly that state law prohibits the governor from interfering in elections.
Gabriel Sterling, a Republican official in the Georgia Secretary of State's office, said Trump's baseless claims of election fraud have endangered election officials by inciting death threats and harassment.
Kemp spokesman Cody Hall confirmed that the president called the governor, but only said that Trump offered his condolences on the death of Harrison Deal, a young aide for Sen. Kelly Loeffler. CNBC has reached out to the Trump campaign for comment.
Trump is campaigning for Sens. Loeffler and David Perdue in the state tonight, who are facing runoff elections against Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff.
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Creep.
... and a moron. trump calls the guy a bunch of names and then asks him to do something illegal. wtf?
To be honest, I'm a little surprised that Gov. Kemp did the right thing. His statements during the pandemic have made him sound like a mini-Trump. One million Americans have been infected with covid in these first 5 days of December, so I'm hoping Kemp will start doing the right thing in that respect, as well.
Trump's plane just landed in Georgia for yet another money-begging rally. I bet it's all about Kemp. It's also sad that many of those Trump supporters that are jumping up and down like fools right now, will be dead in 4 or 5 weeks.
I mean what? It's winter time, people are coughing and sneezing more all over the place, virus is wafting on the gentle and still breezes, and yet these folks "congregate" as a form of collective freedom ignoring all the science of highly infectious disease transmission. Sad, but what can you do? Just desserts.
Vote them up for a Darwin award?
One of the qualifications for the Darwin Award is that they will have eliminated their faulty genes from the gene pool prior to reproducing.....
Suddenly the left is against illegal?
This guy deserves respect for calling out those who would endanger others. He's for country before party.
so, no longer a career republican politician then ....
Math's not his strong suit, is it?
Neither are History, English, Social Studies, and/or Geography, but when it comes to Psychology, Trump has mastered the Art of the Cult dealing US a serious blow, and B leave he does it subliminally,and he himself does not even know, cause when this many can't see him for the UnCULTured liter who would violate quarts, or even pint size beauty contestants, cause "pussy" grabber in chief, our followed Leader, that continues to be only Behind his followers and Beyond our Beliefs, there comes
a time, when you have to ask, how can there be so many
Swallowers....?
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You forgot speaking, reading, walking, dancing, hiding extramarital affairs, etc...
sorry, i forgot a lot, but who has time to make Trumps' list of deficiencies...?
I know, right?
Saw an episode of Frontline that detailed Trump's bullying, rapist youth and his folks sending him to military school in the hope of curing his narcissism. It obviously didn't take.
rapist youth?
Please tell me that is just another sick-ass joke.
I have looked and can't find where or when or who he raped.
Probably the same "source" as the one that told you Kavanaugh raped someone. too!
If you can't find Trump/rape, you need a new browser.
Oh, my browser works just fine.
I found some SHIT, but no convictions, no arrests, no trials.
IOW, no fucking rape, just yet ANOTHER unsubstantiated claim made!
Ever heard the term.... Money buys justice? That concept is in play with just about everything Trump touches.
Trump University, Stormy....... Etc. The list is endless if you were to give a shit.
Trump's lack of criminal convictions is evidence of his guilt, don't you know?
aw, so no police reports---ever.
man, THAT convinces me!
lol
what's funny to me is they desperately cling to all these theories and conspiracies while calling out conservatives for doing the same thing!
so do you believe Trumps' co-defendant, Epstein was innocent as well...?
yea, it's hilarious. Trump WAS served papers in reference to he and Epstein being named as co-defendants in the RAPE of a 13 year old girl. The case somehow went away, and we all know, powerful rich billionaires NEVER would use that power to make someone, something, or Anything, just Go Away, because they Could, now would they ? The 'man' who says he can grab women by the 'Pussy' as they just let him, the guy who walks around teen beauty pageants dressing rooms, has cheated on All three of his wives, pays off nameplates to keep quiet about their affairs, bangs a porn-star bareback cause he cares, as pregnant wife is at home with child, Trumpeee get in pee pee'd on by the prose, as he prostitutes all ewe sheeps wet knows how, cause Holy Cow, he has what, 20 accusers, but hey , Trump would never LIE, just calls them LOSERS. Well sore is his throat vibrated out ill logic, as you defend the projector in Chief, quite the project, while totally lacking the logical, cents won't make you myth believers disbelieve, but when it comes to corralling and capturing the ignorant, boy, that man can sure over achieve...
wtf does epstein have to with it, other than deflecting because of course there is no evidence that Trump raped anyone, despite liberal theories
Yes, and our courts are slapping Donald Trump, the dirty bastard, down and out because he has no evidence to be doing any of this delaying. But, carry on with the meh of defending the indefensible. Somehow Donald Trump is an expert in things he never bothered to be schooled in, and let's say some conservatives find that. . . arguably comforting.
please get a clue ( read the posts!) before posting yet another diversion
Please stop before you gaslight some conservatives. Donald Trump tried to turn the 'merican system of elections in on itself and guess what happened? The system is eating Donald head to butt in slow, carefully placed, bites.
not a fucking thing.
please post PROOF
you just aren't following the thread very well, well, make that not at all!
" Don't gaslight me, 'bro'!" Topic: Trump-pushes-georgia-governor-to-help-overturn-biden-election-win
Trump is a chump supported by Chump enablers, who are probably wondering why their privilege is backfiring right now. I, for one, am glad to see Rule of Law, critical-thinking, and material evidence standing strongly in the center of this nation!
Obtuse now?
aren't you Acute, while not Right, as your angle is phishy, and usually in-congruent with reality
why next time year salads?
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hey, just trying to effectively communicate in a language they understand!
Actually his x wife gave a sworn deposition that he did rape her. Reasonably sure that qualifies as, "evidence".
Oh, the same woman who also stated this?
And the timeline certainly doesn't jibe with THIS "claim" which started this off:
Donald Trump was caught deliberately and repeatedly lying yet again just because well he said today is: Monday. Republican governors are joining the Never Trump post-presidency after-glow set! Just maybe they can help break the Trump mentality that has flooded republicanism!
You said there was no evidence, I provided you with evidence. Dancing off to some other talking point indicates to me that I proved you wrong.
Have a nice day.
Well, Hunter and progressives are not whining it out in the courts right now, no? Stick with current events, why don't you? On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 the Supreme Court no doubt told Donald and his lieutenants - you can't bring mess into our 'house.' Thankfully, some of the BS screeched to a halt today (in a court of law).
Hunter BIden? You had to reach really far into the bottom of the bin to come up with that one.
you know mist adults would look at the two statements and conclude there was no rape, but you believe whatever tripe you like
Mr. I am a law and order president will find out all about that in Jan.
You provided an "news article" not proof.
Somebody is going to get killed! Unfortunately, maybe a few somebodies and with that will go bye-bye all chances for a repeat of this idiocy presidency.
Just in case it is not clear - there are 80 million principled citizens who will not accept another Trump 2020 so-called fake out victory! Gas-lighting 2021 is unacceptable.
Let that sink in, please. The next republican and conservative or "bench-warmer" who want to say to me that Black Americans should re-consider the Republican Party as a fair party for Blacks, I will shove this article down their digital throat!
This is Donald Trump attempting to "in you face" disenfranchise Black voters in a racist - I don't give a shit about who those Blacks voted for - action.
Come conservatives, try to clean this racist-ASK up!
Donald Trump needs to go to prison. I was willing a few weeks ago to agree with Biden when he said he is not that interested in investigating Trump, but the way Trump has acted since the election changes my mind. Trump needs to be prosecuted and put away for a few years.
Biden will leave it up to the different agencies to pursue legal recourse against Trump. He will let the system prevail. He has massive damage control to do right now because of Trump. The incoming head of the DOJ will once again be the country's DOJ and not the president's DOJ like Barr is.
I'll up that one all day long. He needs to learn that he can't mistreat others for his entire life, and expect to get away with it. It's time for him to be held accountable.
How about, made an example of, cause the damage he has done, the mockery of the office, the division of the populace...its' beyond belief, and we need a deterrent for the future assholes in chief, and for his never ending defenders and following, who j u s t c a n ' t s t o p the SWALLOWING
I like that much better. Otherwise he becomes pretty much a living martyr to them.
Definitely made an example of. Coz this country could very easily elect another trmp
Let him be one then....from behind bars.
This seals it for me: Donald Trump is OFFICIALLY A RACIST.
Pretty much since birth...
Doesn't Trump understand that if the Republican governor of Georgia (or any state) had hard evidence to support reversing the outcome of the election, they would gladly do it?
This story (like so many Trump stories) is sad enough without the media warping what is happening. Trump isn't "interfering with the results" of an election. "Interfere" makes it sound like he is doing something illegal. He is contesting the election using every legal means at his disposal, but he isn't interfering with anything.
I have said it for five years. There is so much legitimate ground upon which to criticize Trump. Exaggerating the facts weakens the credibility of that criticism.
Seriously, Tacos? This lies squarely at Trump's feet. He isn't interfering, but it's not for lack of trying. That's why the line is
I notice you didn't bold the word "attempt". Why is that?
Then we agree.
I didn't think it was important. Trump is clearly attempting to do something, so I didn't highlight "attempt" as something I thought was misleading. What follows is misleading.
No, we don't. You are attempting to dole out a share of the blame to the media by accusing them of accusing him of election interference. They said he was trying to interfere. He is. He has been, ever since the election. The media isn't warping a damn thing.
They'd be screaming "Lock her up!"
For sure!
Or, Barack?
Or, Biden?
Trump conservatives ignore Reagan's rule: Do not speak ill of a fellow republican.
Oh, Trumphole gets special privileges handed to this tire old dusty butt from his supporters all the time. Never Trumpers come take your party back already!
To me, "interference" pretty clearly implies he is doing something outside the bounds of legal procedures. He's not.
No, he's urging somebody else to do it for him. He wants to interfere, but he wants someone else to take the fall for the illegal interference.
The media isn't painting the picture nearly as ugly as it actually is.
I agree that it's ugly, but it's not illegal. If you want to point me at a statute he is violating, I am prepared to have my mind changed. So far, I have not seen other people in authority saying he is breaking the law.
This whole discussion started because you accused the media of warping what is happening. They haven't. He is attempting to interfere. Such attempts need not be illegal; that is a connotation you have assigned to the word. Why do you insist on blaming the media for things they haven't done, Tacos? Why minimize what Trump is doing?
Donald Trump is doing what he always does to people he disagrees with: He is gaslighting Georgia republican leadership. Donald is telling them they are crazy to buck himl. The thinking goes the Trumphole has all these (milllions of) supporters and so Trumphole must be right - right? Therefore, if anybody is right it's Trumphole and the Georgian republican leadership must be the crazy ones!
Nevermind the facts stand that "red" Georgia has counted and recounted until they are 'blue,' no pun intended.
What does Donald want them to do? Let the Trumphole count ballots himself? Like that will accomplished a desirable end for democracy!
Donald Trump is a dirty bastard and he does not deserve another chance at this country. Go to "H" Donald! Go to "H." quickly!
He is not breaking a law because no one ever considered a president behaving like a spoiled child, LYING to his followers, inciting them with videos full of the same tired LIES over and over. He is trying to CHEAT, no big surprise given his history of doing the same, but Presidents of the USA are supposed to behave with dignity and honor. Trump neither has nor displays either of these qualities.
What he is doing is highly unethical and beneath the dignity of the office that he holds. He is trying to cheat by lying to the people. We need the rest of the republican party to pull up their man panties and condemn what he is doing. Everyone should be doing just that.
Trump is attempting a CONSPIRACY. Governor Kemp has explained to the Trumphole that he can not do what is asked of him, because there is no provision in Georgia law to do so. And Trump is pressing for a futile exercise anyway!
When will some Trump supporters stop this BS that Trump's piss does not stink? How come everybody else gets "voted off the island" even though Trump is the one who lost?
Exactly. Not deflecting to "the media". The media isn't trying to get others to break the law here. Trump is. Full stop.
And Trump is trying his best to pressure the Gov of Georgia to his dirty work for him and bear the brunt of any legal ramifications of doing what Trump wants him to do, resorting to threat, coercion and intimidation, and who knows that all else behind the scenes.
Trump seems determined to force the Gov to do his bidding and cause even more upset to the election, even if it means the Gov being changed for undue interference or worse, while Trump sits back and enjoys skrewing up the election as much as he can.
When the real person interfering is Trump and placing undue duress on the Gov. So why has the law not stepped in yet and stopped trump?
Under what circumstances is interfering with an election not illegal?
And if you really think it's not illegal, then why complain?
So you do think he's doing something illegal. Or you don't? Which is it? And if he's breaking a law, which law is it?
It doesn't need to be illegal to be interference. Lying to achieve a win is interference. It's not illegal. Just slimy.
However, what he's asking others to do on his behalf in this case is illegal. They would be criminals, if they chose to do it, which is why they won't. So, he's urging criminal activity. And you're worried about the media blowing things out if proportion.
Yes, Trump us attempting to interfere with the election by proxy. It's by proxy for two reasons - he isn't capable of committing the crime himself, and he doesn't want the consequences of it.
But sure, Tacos, the media is the problem here.
So if you tell the voters that under the new health care plan, they will be able to keep their doctor and their plan, if they want, and it's not true . . .
That's just one. We can look at the campaigns of everyone who has ever run for president and find lies, broken promises, and other random BS they said just to get elected. Is that "interference?"
For example? What law is he trying to have broken?That's all I've been asking.
That was pretty easy to find. It's been all over the news lately. The only excuse for not having seen it is if one is intentionally trying to ignore it, which really isn't an excuse at all.
Yes, there has to be checks on the Executive. Perhaps the AG of Georgia can sue? I mean it won't look good (or best) on the political side, but somebody needs to step up and take one (or several) for the team!
You still haven't described a crime or cited a statute being violated - something I have asked for 4 or 5 times now.
Wow, that's pretty judgy. Sorry, but I actually have other things in my life than just obsessing on political stories 24/7 - especially when those stories don't have any relevance to the issue of whether or not Trump is breaking the law.
So, overturning an election without adequate reason is illegal. The governor interfering in elections is illegal. But Trump keeps asking for both, because he doesn't like the answers he keeps getting.
Sounds pretty familiar.
So now some conservatives all about strict legal proceedings? Decency, best practices, standards, ethics, patriotism, mom's apple pie, and big ass flags don't matter when Donald needs to crawl down defeat's throat and snatch out a victory (he not fit to deserve)?
Some conservatives have a lot of gall to bother to speak up. Donald Trump is one dirty bastard.
It is all one-way with some conservatives. It's QAnon shit: "All for one-One of All." They are sold-out to disenfranchise liberals and including secularists. It is a pretense to be balanced, when these "old heads" know good and damn well they were not brought up to believe that truth does not matter. That standards no matter. That right does not matter. That good does not matter. So here some conservatives are 'gaslighting' social media in some hopes to convince the rest of us well, that we're are the crazy ones - thus, we must not matter either.
It's bullshit and they won't ever have the satisfaction on account of me. They would have to blow out the sun first, but then we would all freeze to death from it happening. (Smile.)
Which hasn't happened.
That hasn't happened either.
Clarify. Has Trump asked the governor or election officials to break a law? No. What he has done is to ask them to take action, and then left it to them to decide whether or not they have grounds or authority to take such action.
That's true for a lot of people who appeal to the government for help. It doesn't mean the person asking for help is breaking the law by asking. In fact, the right "to petition the government for a redress of grievances" is protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. You would deny Trump that right, apparently, and call him a criminal for exercising it.
I wouldn't know about that. I have not tried to speak for conservatives. Only myself.
No, because Kemp and Raffensperger, among others, know that it's illegal, given that they've already determined there is not cause to do so. But Trump is still making demands. Ergo, Trump is asking them to do something illegal. Seems like those dots would be pretty easy to connect.
Nobody here has denied Trump any rights. He's had his day in court. Forty-six of them, last time I checked. He's also had recounts, either automatically required by law (Georgia) or demanded by his campaign (Wisconsin where he ended up losing even more bigly, oops). Never mind that even if he were to somehow get Kemp and Raffensperger to break the law for him, like he keeps asking them to do, he'd still be a loser. Sixteen EC votes won't get him to 270.
It seems that Trump is actually breaking the law by coercing electors.
which electors are you claiming he coerced, and how did he do it?
Actually, you are speaking on behalf of some conservatives as a collective. Own it proudly. If Donald was in here he would most definitely approve of these efforts.
The underhanded scheme was to run to Arizona, Wisconsin, and Michigan again begging, cajoliing, massaging, and stealing legislatures. This scheme was announced before the election as being on the drawing board in the news, but being the undeterred dirty bastard that Donald Trump is, he is following through with its usage. Unbelievably believable Trumphole this guy is!
I am glad that Raffensperrger outed Graham's BS attempt (which I sure hope causes Graham to be sanctioned in the Senate and beyond) to the media, and now the AP or media wire got wind of the Trumphole pulling "GOOD OLD BOY" shit against the (Black/Brown) people of Georgia.
And still that Trumphole had the gall to show up in Georgia and diss its Governor to their faces on last Saturday!
stealing legislatures.
QUITE the imagination!
When some conservatives use understatement is is not easy to discern if it is meant as satire or sarcasm. Perhaps a tag next time. (Chuckles.)
you can just call it incredulous belief if it helps, but it is still funny as hell!
"Stealing legislatures" = high comedy!
if you NEED a tag to understand. I will certainly consider using one for you.
Wouldn't want you confused!
It's okay, you can keep the tag. I have no interest in these hi-jinks - Good bye.
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Oh, so you had NO point in posting this:
And after all, my offer was strictly to help YOU out.
And you are arrogantly trying to tell me what I think. I suggest you should own that in shame. Do not speak for me.
Deflect much? Here is the topic: Trump-pushes-georgia-governor-to-help-overturn-biden-election-win?
And there lies the problem Tacos....
Trump and his followers are weaponizing "Free Speech" guaranteed under the constitution to undermine and attack that which is the foundation of that same constitution. The vote. Right now, there look to be about 35-40 million Trump voters that don't see this as a direct attack on democracy.
Yeah, Democrats would never start a conspiracy that voting machines robbed an election from a candidate. And they would certainly never spread a conspiracy claiming that the President was a foreign agent or that a foreign country had changed votes in an election, causing a majority of Democrats to believe a foreign country stole a Presidential election. Certainly, years after the election, 50 million odd Democrats wouldn't believe a foreign power changed vote tallies and the losing Democratic nominee still wouldn't be calling the winner an illegitimate President.
Democrats would never directly attack Democracy like that....
Republicans would, and did.
Whoosh!
try ear muffs
They take their cue from Trump himself, blaming others instead of who is to blame in the first place.
almost like they were 'projecting' on a screen what they truly mean...
So donald telling people to break the law gives him a free pass if no one actually did it...
Where have I heard that before...
We will see if anything at all bothers you after the new president is inaugurated, Dennis! I will be interested in seeing which morals, standards, and customs will come rushing back in all proper like, and fit to be argued.
That is why he wants another term. It was not to be POTUS. It is that he is immune from some charges and law suits as long as he remains in the WH.
I don't know if Miss Graham is or was ever a lawyer, but if yes....DISBAR AND LOCK HIM UP!
kind of hard to be a miss and a him.
can't you figure out which is which?
Asking for an audit is coercion? Do you know the purpose of an audit or just regurgitating what somebody told you?
Donald Trump's buns has got to go! BTW, who knew some republicans and conservatives who love to hark "freedom" in our faces and wave big ASS flags every day would suffer from an "autocrat complex." Trump is a tool - his peeps are the real power propelling the idiocy!
"Miss" Graham is a Navy JAG (miliary Judge Advocate General) lawyer. He does deserve to be investigated for unethical "good old southern boy" behavior echoes from the past!
"Miss Thang."
does gender confuse you, too?
Texan, do you really want to 'go there' with me? Because if you do, let's roll. Graham overstepped his boundaries to interfere in another state's proceedings from the federal level. I usually don't say much about him or his 'affairs,' but this time he appeared to take a liberty not afforded to him properly.
Consequently, he got called out by state officials, which led to him being mocked for getting a swell head. No liberal needs Graham to be the man-in-charge of their affairs! Moreover, since he is minding his Trumphole friends business, Georgia voting officials would like him to stop calling around about its business.
Now then, tell me what it is you know about gender that I don't. Please proceed.
You do like making things up don't you Sean....
Projection is never your friend!
You took three days to reply and that's the best you can do?
I know that you know that you can't win on substance but at least don't embarrass yourself with such triteness.
so sorry you are having difficulty understanding the posts.
it is kind of hard to be Miss Lindsey AND to lock him up!
can you not clearly see the problem with mixing genders up when referring to him?
Well, I could break out in homosexual vernacular, but past history informs me that some conservatives take that kind of thing personally and we know where that lands. . . . Let me just suggest to you and you can follow up on it through research, that 'miss thangs" know a term of endearment when s/he hears it (in or out of lockup).
Homosexual vernacular?
English just not good enough?
I will ALWAYS call a male a male and a female a female.
Whether they are gay or straight.
Their gender doesn't change because of who they prefer to be with, or whatever they "identify" as.
Maybe I could call some conservatives: Georgia?
And you may call men women if that is what your little heart desires!
Me, a man is a man and a woman is a woman.
No matter what the heck they "identify" as.
You must be kidding. He threatened Kemp with consequences if he didn't overturn Biden's win. When Gov. Kemp said no, Trump went nuts with the twitter attacks. Trump's behavior at tonight's Georgia rally will probably seal Gov. Kemp's re-election fate in 2022. I plan to watch for as long as I can stand it, but I guarantee the entire thing will be about what a horrible person Kemp is.
There are times where you seem to understand what kind of low-character man Donald Trump is. And then there are times like this when you post what is clearly an illogical statement. Of course Trump is interfering with the results of the election. It couldn't be any more in your face if you were wearing it as a hat.
or possibly, a mask. I too, see Tacos as sometimes so logical, and his next comment, WTF
What consequences?
No disrespect intended at you personally, but I don't have a lot of respect for opinions that offer no explanation or support other than the claim that something is "clear." Declaring "of course" or insisting that it's in my face is equally non-compelling.
How can you ask that? The man has been an incredible bully for 4 years, day in and day out. He has made it easy for decent people of all political leanings to be afraid of the consequences should they ever cross him by doing their job or telling the truth or getting in the way of whatever he wants no matter how unscrupulous. Example? Marie Jovanovich. Her 33 years of service to this country was exemplary. But she was too honest and compassionate to play ball with Trump's Ukraine shenanigans. So he removed her from her post in a very public way, and she was forced into retirement. Alex Vindman is another good example, as is his twin brother Yevgeny S. Vindman. Alex was fired after testifying at Trump's impeachment hearing and was escorted off of White House grounds. Yevgeny was also removed from his post and was escorted off of White House grounds with his brother, who had nothing whatsoever to do with the impeachment hearings. Those are but 2 examples of Trump's thirst for revenge. Tonight's rally in Georgia earlier this evening was another example that highlights the issue at hand. The crowd started chanting 'Lock Kemp up', and Trump just stood there and smiled. Gov. Kemp has done nothing wrong, but the damage is done. His name will forever be associated with voter improprieties and there isn't a damn thing he can do about it.
These people should take their cases to the people! They didn't and don't have to take Trump's brand of BS. In fact, Donald feel so strong and assertive about his rights that even though he has been 'toppled' by the voters effective January 20, 2021 he feels he can muster a return in 2024. These individuals you mention and others besides should tear this dirty bastard a new Trumphole long before then.
Donald Trump is a nobody. The other presidents he would bother with and now they don't want to be associated with his dumb, ego-manical, butt.
Time has come to tell it like it is!
He also had his toadie PMG interfere by eliminating sorting machines because he hoped to slow down if not stop mail in ballots.
Maybe this will make Tacos see the light and the consequences. "A former commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration and a member of Pfizer’s board of directors said Tuesday that President Donald Trump’s administration declined to secure millions of additional doses of Pfizer and BioNTech's coronavirus vaccines when it had the chance." (AP). Now he can see what his precious Trump's priority is and it sure as hell is not the pandemic and millions of infected and dying people. His only priority is himself and his idiotic recounts, I do apologize for the deflection Sister.
Donald Trump is calling state leaders and having others make calls on his behalf in attempts to persuade them to steal votes from their constituents. If you don't get it: ask a black person for we see this political crap all the time. What's different this time is republicans are talking about it in public. And still Trump won't ease up on them.
Trump is a dirty bastard! Dont give him what he wants! Don't give him shit. Allow this Trumphole out on the streets on January 20, 2021 and let the political system consume him.
Enough of the Donald is 'pulling the levers' - Donald Trump is squeezing his 'tribe.' Putting in on these officials 'hard' and having radio/tv talk show "shock jocks" come at them nightly. It is as Rick Wilson says, "Everything Trump touches dies." This Trumphole is trying to destroy the careers, reputations, and maybe even have the life taken (if someone gets killed) from those who oppose him.
Shame on Donald. Shame on his defenders. Donald Trump ain't worthy of such devotion.
You don't think other candidates for elections have lobbied governors or election officials for recounts and audits? You can say his claims are weak or even pointless, and I would agree, but they aren't illegal.
You don't need to be devoted to someone to acknowledge their legal rights. To my eye, people who think likability or moral worth determines how many rights you can exhaust in court are more dangerous to our system of laws than anything Trump does.
He does not have the right to overturn the results of an election that has been certified with a complaint based on No Evidence Whatsoever.
It has been adjudicated.
It is over.
Okay Tacos! Answer me this? How much 'exhaustion' or "bite at the apple" are you willing to give this guy, Donald?
How many recounts are you willing to do if it was you? How many times should you have to say, I've got nothing new, but let's try (nothing) one more time?
What kind of fool do you take me for to suggest that election vote counting is a "seeker" activity? It is not. It is an official count and one with reasonable limits.
Just because Donald "wants it" does not in any way shape or form me this nation is obligated to give it to him limitless.
Nor has he tried to do that. He doesn't have the authority. That's why he has to appeal to those who do. So far, the answer has been "no."
As much as the law allows.
As many as the law allows.
How many times does the law allow for?
Are you starting to get the picture?
This should be the standard for everyone, if they respect the law. All of these people who are protesting so loud about Trump's efforts are being hypocritical. They cry "count every vote" when they think it will help them. When Biden didn't have the votes yet, they demanded "keep counting!"
But now, because an appeal that finds fault might take away votes, they shout "It's over! No more appeals! No more hearings! No more counting! No audits! Any further effort is a disgrace, etc."
Hypocrisy. Total hypocrisy.
By asking the Governor of GA to overturn the certified results of the election, he is trying to overturn the results of the election. I believe it is known as "conspiracy," which yet again dovetails into his personality.
So, yes, he is actively trying or has tried to overturn duly certified election results.
BS. There is no appeal that (yet) takes away votes. Indeed, every appeal as it is being labeled has been denied or dropped in a court of law. So, now comes the back-door attempts to rig the election. Apparently, this course of action is par for the course for some conservatives. Just by-pass the voter's capacity to decide, court proceedings to deny, and just lobby red states to take away from (in this case) those Black/Brown citizens their voting power to help decide the president of the country.
Some conservatives speak with forked tongues! Black Americans won't join up and vote with cheaters against the truth.
Tacos! This is the reason why Black Americans call BS on Trump in the first place. Trump is a dirty bastard who cheats at every turn of the wheel—and then some. According to Donald, the voters can't defeat him because he never gives them the satisfaction of their winning. And here some conservatives are standing up for that dirty ugly 'loser'!
And some conservatives have the gall to compare what I have written or democrats to the weak sauce some conservatives have poured up for themselves! Some nerve.
Tacos! knows better or he should at least. These people are tiresome, yet they have boundless energy for trying to tongue-tie others. It's sad that I, we, have to respond to these weird, so-called, arguments. Donald Trump is not worth all this. He truly is not worth all this. Alas, this may all come to a (sad) end when somebody, maybe even a republican has his or her life removed at the hands of a. . . republican. Not death-wishing it. But, the handwriting is on the wall if this continues escalating to nowhere.
That I even have to bring this up, shows just have far and unreasonable this is. Donald lost. Concede already. Biden won, he will be properly seated according to his victory!
So, as it turns out, you had nothing to worry about.
That sounds like vague fantasy stuff to me. A lot of fear mongering over nothing. I have seen no indication that anything is being done outside the bounds of the law.
It must be awesome to be able to speak for Black Americans.
I'll invite you, as I have others, to cite the laws Trump is breaking. So far, no one has been able to do that.
Worth what? All the anxiety? If so, I agree. But between the two of us, which one is most worked up over it? It sure isn't me.
Why? Who cares as long as he vacates the White House when he is supposed to?
Stacey Abrams still hasn't conceded in Georgia, where she lost an election two years ago. And there are Democrats walking around still claiming that the election was stolen from her. I know a governor's race lacks the gravitas of a presidential election, but how come the same people who are ok with that, are in a tizzy because Trump hasn't conceded?
Exactly. And in two months, it won't matter that Trump never conceded.
Some conservatives can talk 'turkey' all they want. After all these are the holidays. However, we all know what good home-training, decency, ethics, morals, standards and practices look like and when these are being broken or left out.
After all, some conservatives don't need a set of laws to write and speak crap about democrats and they are not even running scandalous behaviors. As the saying goes (in the supreme court of our land): even a dog knows the difference between someone stumbling over it and a swift kick!
Donald Trump is a chump. Don't support chumps for preeminent world leader. A chump will fail and a virus may overrun the country some conservatives live in and kill thousands upon thousands in several short months, plunging the rest of us into wearing masks indoors and out!
Whataboutism. Then you answer your own question. Donald Trump lost "by a lot" —didn't he? Stacy Abrams did not make private phone calls that became public attempting to disenfranchise Georgia voters did she? Some conservative distraction is BS.
BTW, when I say concede I don't care if Donald verbalizes the words- I just need him to stop trying to poison our democracy with his lies, misinformation, and deceitfulness. Thank you for giving me a chance to clarify that point!
Donald Trump is low-class trashy. He is trying to disenfranchise Black voters in Georgia, even going so low as to speak ill of a fellow republican governor and other elected officials when they "broadcast" his ass for calling them and pleading with them to cheat the voters of their state!
Shame on some conservatives who do not keep the standards they try to push on democrats!
A claim often made by people who want to deflect from their own hypocrisy.
Did he? "By a lot?" He won 25 states. By geopolitical lines, that's half the country. He has some close losses, too. 0.2% in Georgia. 0.3% in Arizona. 0.7% in Wisconsin. 1.2% in Pennsylvania.
Overall, I still think his loss is convincing enough that he would need a whole string of miracles to change the outcome. Even so, his margin of loss doesn't diminish his rights. Nor does it demand a concession. A concession is a nicety. It's sporting. It's gentile. You can think less of him for not giving one, but he doesn't owe it to anyone and the lack of it changes nothing in the election.
Who cares what she did or did not do? This is so typical of the hypocrisy I see. The same basic behavior is excused in the Democrat because it is allegedly less offensive than whatever it is that Trump did. It's disingenuous spin.
That would be nice, but the 1st Amendment gives people the right to be full of shit. Trump has always been who he is. He will go on being that person. You might as well wish for water to stop being wet.
Well then, just look at the conservative standing up for the most public lousiest human being in the country. Whataboutism is what happened to our discussion when you dragged Stacy Abrams in:
So don't lecture me about calling you out for it. Furthermore, Stacy Abrams did not make private phone calls that became public attempting to disenfranchise Georgia voters did she? Context matters and by the way, degrees can not be ignored but are put to the test under consideration.
President Donald Trump in taking the oath of office promised:
It is apparent to all who care to have it so, that telephoning the Governor of Georgia in a backroom attempt to overturn a state election result is a selfish interest not faithful to the citizens who took the time and associated risks involved to register, and post their votes.
I don't know why some conservatives think it affirmative to counter with defense of a "bottom-feeder" like Donald J. Trump. He bites in a full circle and cuts to the quick of friend and newly minted foe. Some conservatives, it is clear as Governor Kemp being under current attack by Donald "the piranha," would be politically bloodied for showing courage while in the deep end when Donald turns on them.
Pointing out hypocrisy is not whataboutism. This was explained to you already. Perhaps you don't know what whataboutism is.
Whataboutism is defined as:
That's not what I did. What I did was point out that some people are outraged about behavior in one person, but ignore it in another person because of political party affiliation. Condemning something you approve for someone else is hypocrisy.
Meanwhile, you keep trying to label me so you can attack me personally on that basis. You might think you are exposing something about me, but that tactic reveals more about you than it does about me.
BS. I have supplied you with what you need to know; so know it already.
Donald Trump is pathetic trash. I bet he thinks Governor Kemp is a hypocrite, because some shenanigans when on in his gubernatorial election cycle against Stacey Abrams. Who knows? Maybe Donald will threaten to out Kemp by sunrise Monday!
Anyways, some conservatives can do better. Why won't they even try?
That kind of says it all.
Comments like that kind of say nothing.
The authorities, officials, and courts have delivered their ultimate results. Why can't "NO" simply mean a negative response? How goes the idiom about the definition of insanity?
Where would we be in this country if we stopped fighting for what we believed in because someone said "no?"
How goes the idiom about the definition of insanity?
Stop hurting the country over Donald, the Terrible. He has lost the election, finally. Save your time, energy, and a fraction of what's left after some conservatives believed the foolish president who would be king! Donald ain't going to give back any money he has squandered (in defeat). He will be 'living large' off those hefty post-election profits.
I'm cool with that. Some conservatives can place money in a pig's butt if they wish: It's goes by the name freedom. Hey, just thinking: How about that new Trump memoir about his long trek in the White House—how much is a 'bigly' price point?
Bravo. It's Pearl Harbor Day!
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He won't be at the inauguration. He is planning to hold a faux inauguration in FL.
Let that Trumphole tell it, it will be his inauguration. What a douse!
I wonder if this matters to Candace Owens of #walkaway? This dirty bastard is trying to swing a backroom deal with Georgia republican leaders to disenfranchise largely Black American voters of Georgia. I wonder if Candance finds this fearsome enough now? Reminiscent of a by-gone period (at least we thought).
Anyway good on the Republican leaders who have exposed this dirty bastard for the Trumphole he is. They don't want to go back to the filthy, shady dealing of yesterday USA!
Trump will be holding a rally tonight in GA. They showed people gathering for the ''rally'' and masks were nowhere in sight and no social distancing.
I believe it's called ''culling the herd''...
Gotta wonder if the Governor will be attending or the Sec of State or Gabriel Sterling.
just saw the same, WTF ? R people really this distanced from the truth and reality of the actual world we do live in, cause , apparently Trump's supporters are stupid as sin.
Why yes, yes they are.
What is so ridiculous is if somebody intended to invade their space with the virus "on them" - these fools make it so easy to get infected.Just walk up and starting talking and breathing on this dumb-ass and social butterfly over to a numb-skull yelling and shout "U. S. A.!" - as loud and long as you can! Next, get in the bleachers and wave your big ASS 'merican flag while fanning out the virus to the stadium-arena.
Of course, I wish them no ill-will. But damn it, the redundant stupidity on display every time.
hell yeah, and it's a month before that senate election. heh, heh, heh ...
Trump said it's just a Test.
Yea, a Test to Cull.
thats' what i herd immunity to the truth, can be deadly, as 5 million US infections in 5 daze
pffft, good riddance to them. have fun at the idiot rally, losers!
I am super-curious about that, mydamnself.
FOX NEWS has Donald Trump 'mouthing' fraud on it right now! @5:43 PST.
You won't believe what this lying buffoon is saying. It's horrendous. He is literally trying to start a war in this country amongst his supporters.
bfd. send me a PN if they start shooting each other and I'll make popcorn. /s
The true republicans have a chance to throw Trump gaslighters and his big lying butt down for good!
Were those people just now chanting LOCK UP KEMP? Please tell me that is not what I just heard. Please?
I heard it, too.
What in the effing hell?!!! The people in that crowd have to be the biggest bunch of idiots and nincompoops in the history of big bunches of idiots and nincompoops.
And this is why I worry about the peaceful transfer of power. We have people publicly calling for Kemp to be jailed for doing his job. The so-called leader of the free world is inciting them to do so. Tragic and frightening. This is not what America should be.
Well, they are not wearing mask and are talking and breathing on each other. So. . . .
Don't despair. Don't give in. Take this "tyrannical Trumphole" on and concede nothing to this Trumphole. Coronavirus is not the only thing that is whipping his sorry Trumphole.
This article seems to imply that an audit of signatures on absentee ballots will give georgia to trump. Does that mean fraud on a scale large enough to give georgia to biden happened? Why are dems so opposed to this? If everything is on the up and up it seems they’d be more than happy to prove they are right.
Three re-counts are enough, Gazoo. At $3,000,000 per, the though of paying for a 4th re-count makes me a smidge cranky.
Recounting ballots, legal and illegal, will produce the same result every time. Weeding out illegal ballots is what signature verification is about.
Rules are rules. Donald Trump does not get to rewrite them. He lost: He can pound sand. Donald's recount my opponents numbers ad nauseam is Bullshit. I will go a step farther. Trump supporters are full of shit for indulging this fool for the umpteenth time.
Trump supporters would not stand for democrats to do a recount of the obvious. Enough of this BS. Enough of this 'crazy appeasement' of Trump and his supporters.
Another that doesn’t understand the difference between a recount and signature verification (weed out illegal ballots). Have a nice night.
The voters voted. The States certify it. The AUTHORITIES have done their due diligence. Rules are rules. Talking shit loudly, ain't going to make ballots flip in or out of thin air—damn sure ain't this time. Signature verify-that!
All the recounts are doing is finding votes for Biden.
You realize that the Governor, Lt. Governor, Sec of State are all republicans, don't you? They are the ones that can have that done and they have refused since it's already been done.
If he didn't, he does now.
Yeah but they're "RINOS".....
(that's what's coming next)
It's high time this nation finally discharges this pustulant necrosis and sloughs off this toxic, dead tissue. ENOUGH already !
I agree...ENOUGH already!
The country needs a debrasion
Are there any (at all) Never Trumpers on NT? One of you? Two?
Golly. We don't have any Never Trumpers on NT? Oh my. We need one or several to guest/onboard!
This site is chock full of the "Never Trump" clowns.
Prove it.
why bother?
Why not? Here, do you see republican/conservative "Never Trumpers?
Seriously? Look around. Hundreds of seeds (yours included).
No, but I do see hundreds of liberal / leftist / "progressive" never Trumper fools who have been crying and running with EVERY hoax imaginable since 2016.
My understanding of the phrase "never trump" is embodied republicans and conservatives who broke with Trumpism.
Thus, I don't see any republican or conservative on NT that speaks up for moderation and against the autocratic statements and sentiments of Trump supporters on NT. So I ask the question: Are there Never Trumpers on NT?
I am not a "Never Trumper" according to my supplied definition. For a good work, for Operation Warp Speed for example I am grateful.
However, Had Donald moderated his att-i-tude, talked to adults like adults, treated people who were trying to "process" his methods with some respect, stopped lying to the nation everyday, stopped ruining his subordinates careers, not tried to gaslight the entirety of the nation-world, not with (attempts) to steamroll the citizenry, and joined us in the only reality we have (instead of his own 'world') I could see him at least as republican/conservative. Without the aforementioned in some or whole combination, I see him as a Disgust!
I won't rehash/argue "hoaxes" with you, Jeremy. Let's just say we disagree on what a delusion is. Donald Trump is evidentially controlling the minds of his followers. You can see this in stark relief, as Trump supporters are in favor of lame legal proceedings failing in so-called conservative courts and "Stop The Steal," and the consuming of their fellow Trump supporters/voters who are 'driven' to have some integrity in their professional lives apart from Donald!
because you simply will not accept any truths
This should be easy for you then. Help me out: Point out a republican/conservative Never Trumper on Newstalkers? I would stand corrected!
And for the rest of the thinking world a "Never Trumper" is somebody, like yourself, who has bitched, whined and cried every day since the announcement that Trump beat the establishment. [deleted]
What are you going on about now???
Well, those Never Trumpers beat the perm out Donald's hairdo, and he has been sweating his wig since. I mean really, a grown man, sitting at the apex of the world, begging for a national delusion to take hold so that he can continue to broadcast "insanities" from the White House to his adoring sycophantic cult.
The 2020 presidential election was not about Donald's abstract and eccentric reasons to wish to lead us, the fact is, that cycle was about more concrete and human matters, because people need to ground their truth into something. Trump plants his 'constructs' in mid-air, where he can bat them all aside at will.
Now, why would you all approve of something like that?
Is it hard or impossible for you to name one on NT?
I have no idea what you are babbling on about--or to what end.
Convenient. Carry on with that!
Ok, I will.
And you feel free to carry ion with whatever you were carrying on about.
After the farce of a rally last night this meme is absolutely correct.
Indeed, it is absolutely correct.
So I guess the "quid pro quo" in the Russia Ukraine scandal was totally valid on that "perfect call". This is the pattern of corrupt behavior that Trump is totally ingrained with.