The Election was Stolen!

  

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By:  tig  •  2 weeks ago  •  270 comments

The Election was Stolen!
Make your case

For all those who even today hold that Trump actually won the election and that the certified results provided by the secretaries of state for each of the 50 states falsely hands the presidency to Biden and that Biden will thus be an illegitimate president, the floor is open for you to ...

Make your case.


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TᵢG
1  author  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

Claims are worthless.   Back them up.

On what factual grounds do you claim that there is sufficient fraud / error in our 2020 presidential election to falsely give Biden the victory?

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago

I'd love to see some figures on how much money has been raised so far by republicans with this  baseless political melodrama. hopefully this scam ruins more than a few political careers in the future.

 
 
 
Ender
1.1.1  Ender  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

They have shown that even republicans fundraising/campaigning for the Georgia election are putting the money in their own coffers (including Cruz).

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

Most of the money is in Trump's pockets to payoff campaign debts.  Hey, why not get a bunch of clueless idiots to pay them off if you have little money of your own.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

He never pays all of his bills completely, if at all.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

That has been a well documented fact for years.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.5  SteevieGee  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

Since technically Trump is no longer a candidate for any office, can't he just keep all the money they're sending him now?

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.3    2 weeks ago

For many of his 'rallies' he and his supporters trash the town and leave the town holding the bill . . . . like usual. . . 

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.5    2 weeks ago

He's been keeping the money - raping, looting, pillaging the treasury, for about four years now. . . 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1.8  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.5    2 weeks ago
Since technically Trump is no longer a candidate for any office, can't he just keep all the money they're sending him now?

If you want to know where most of the donation money is (and has been) going...and yes, the article is a little long and a few weeks old, but worth the read.  I advise taking a sedative or having a big-ass drink prior to reading.  

Over the past few weeks, President Donald Trump has been imploring his supporters to donate to the "Georgia Election Fund" to support Republicans in the two upcoming Georgia Senate runoffs. The plea has been part of Trump's massive post-election fundraising effort, much of which has been going to Trump's new political action committee, Save America.

But none of the funds the president has brought into his new PAC appear to have gone to actually help the Republican Senate runoff campaigns, ad placement data and campaign disclosure records show.

"The Georgia Runoff Election is right around the corner and the fate of the Nation hangs in the balance," Trump's team wrote in a fundraising email sent to supporters this week. "So much is at stake and I need to know that you are on our team and ready to FIGHT for America."

"It is CRITICALLY important we have your support to secure the resources we need to deliver the Democrats a CRUSHING defeat," they wrote in another recent email.

In the fine print, the letter breaks down the distribution of funds as follows: 25% of each contribution goes to the RNC, and 75% of each contribution first goes to Save America, up to $5,000, with the rest of the 75% going to the Trump campaign, up to $2,800 for an individual donor and $5,000 for a PAC donor.

The RNC so far has spent roughly $3 million in independent expenditures supporting the Georgia GOP candidates, and has committed to spend more than $20 million in the runoffs overall.

"We currently have the largest team ever in Georgia, which includes 500 paid staffers and thousands of volunteers," RNC spokesperson Mike Reed told ABC News. "Our teams have knocked on millions of doors over the past few weeks."

Reed added that the RNC's focus is on the ground game and get out the vote efforts as they typically leave the ad buys and other electioneering activities to the campaigns and outside groups.

Indeed, since  Election Day  in November, hundreds of outside groups on both sides of the aisle have spent, or committed to spend, in support of the Georgia candidates. The television and radio ad spending alone is quickly approaching the $500 million mark, powered by the funds raised by the campaigns and political interest groups.

But Trump's new leadership PAC is not one of them. The PAC has not placed any television or radio buys in the race, according to media research company CMAG's analysis of ad-buy records, and it has not reported making any independent expenditures in support of Republican Sens. David Perdue or Kelly Loeffler, as required by the Federal Election Commission rules.

The full extent of the committee's fundraising and spending has yet to be disclosed, so it's unclear if any of the funds have been used to support Trump's recent political travels to Georgia or if the PAC has made any direct contribution to the campaigns. But even if it has, the maximum contribution a PAC can make is $5,000 -- which would appear to be a small fraction of the money coming in.

Officials with Save America did not respond to ABC News' request for comment.

A super PAC set up by Donald Trump Jr.'s advisers, which doesn't raise money with the Trump committees, did report spending more than $1 million on the races.

Michael Beckel, research director at the campaign transparency advocacy group Issue One, told ABC News that while it's common for candidates in a contentious race to try to leverage the celebrity appeal of higher-profile politicians, it is highly unusual for a sitting president to be using a contentious election as a hook to raise money for their own political operation.

"It is extremely uncommon for an outgoing president to be so aggressively soliciting contributions for a leadership PAC, let alone using high-profile races as a hook to entice donors to give without investing much of the money raised into said races," Beckel told ABC News. "President Trump's Save America PAC has, to date, raised an extraordinary amount of money, and President Trump faces few restrictions on how to spend the money he raises for his leadership PAC."

Some Republicans who are actively raising money to support the GOP candidates say Trump's leadership PAC is problematic.

"I think it's problematic if they're raising money and the implication is you are going to help Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue win, because really that is the most important thing right now," Martha Zoller, a former Georgia congressional candidate who now runs Georgia United Victory, a super PAC spending millions in support of the Republicans in the runoffs.

Source and more

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.1.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

Oh Trump has bilked the retards who still support him out of hundreds of millions so far. I am sorry but I find it hilarious that people are giving money to a supposed billionaire so that he can then use it to pay his legal fees and various debts. 

This is a perfect example of why I have never and will never donate a single cent to a national political campaign. 

 
 
 
Ender
1.2  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago

I don't think you will get much TiG.

Platitudes are easily shot down.

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @1.2    2 weeks ago
I don't think you will get much TiG.

I am confident I will not get any.  

There is no evidence —with all the insane amount of digging— that even comes close to changing the results of this election.

That is why one wonders what sort of bizarre reasoning is at play in the minds of those claiming the election was stolen.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.1    2 weeks ago

What sort of bizarre reasoning?  Two reasons:

1.  Maintain Trump's base

2.  Support his rerun in 2024

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.3  author  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.2.2    2 weeks ago

Well Buzz, I predict that this ends very poorly for Trump and that his supporters will never see him win another presidential election.   Engaging in an over-the-top-ridiculous attempted con job on the nation is a great way to commit political suicide.

Fools.   Yes.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.3    2 weeks ago

I don't believe he will actually live to usher in 2024

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.4    2 weeks ago

"I don't believe he will actually live to usher in 2024"

I can only hope . . . that he spends the rest of his miserable life, starting 1/21/21, behind bars along with the rest of his criminal enterprise of an administration and family . . . 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.5    2 weeks ago

He's not well, now. Even if he does get a prison term he will probably get compassionate leave or something where they let him out and he can spend the rest of his days on a hospitable bed at Mar-A-Lago with tubes snaking out of his arms...and feet

 
 
 
Freewill
1.2.7  Freewill  replied to  TᵢG @1.2.3    2 weeks ago
Engaging in an over-the-top-ridiculous attempted con job on the nation is a great way to commit political suicide.

If the RNC even entertains the idea of putting him on the primary ticket in 2024, that will spell the end of the Republican party.  Especially after his antics in recent months.  I really believe that his phone call to the authorities in Georgia handed the Senate race to the Democrats.  He did more harm than good for Republicans in that State, and around the country with his ridiculous "stolen election" campaign.  Fucking idiot!  I hope we never have to hear his moronic rambling incoherent 3rd grade vocabulary spewing cake hole again after Jan 20.  I think that about covers it...

I feel like I candy coated it.  Too sheepish? ...

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.2.8  author  TᵢG  replied to  Freewill @1.2.7    2 weeks ago
I really believe that his phone call to the authorities in Georgia handed the Senate race to the Democrats. 

My thoughts too.   It certainly had to help the Ds win.   Given the election was so close, Trump easily could be the reason for the loss.  

Fucking idiot!  I hope we never have to hear his moronic rambling incoherent 3rd grade vocabulary spewing cake hole again after Jan 20. 

My sentiments exactly.   Well, I would change the word 'idiot' to 'lying sack of shit'.

I feel like I candy coated it.  Too sheepish? ...

Yeah, you should stop beating around the bush.   Look around, there are all sorts of examples on how to deflect and engage in vague comments to avoid a losing argument.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.3  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago
Claims are worthless.

That's all some seem to have.

Back them up.

How long have we been barking up that tree for now?

On what factual grounds do you claim that there is sufficient fraud / error in our 2020 presidential election to falsely give Biden the victory

In a word, none!

Make your case.

They have had ample time. So I doubt it will happen now.

There is no evidence

But lots of whining.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.3.1  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3    2 weeks ago

they couldn't find 1 crooked republican lawyer willing to lie to a judge in the last 2 months.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3    2 weeks ago
"But lots of whining."

And lots of deflecting, and trolling and insulting those who prefer reality.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
1.3.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  devangelical @1.3.1    2 weeks ago

If they refused to lie to a judge, then maybe they weren't crooked.  The reason they couldn't win is because they had no evidence to present.  In Canada those are called trivial lawsuits and are dealt with harshly by the courts. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.3.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3    2 weeks ago
How long have we been barking up that tree for now?

So long that the squirrel in the tree is getting restless

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.3.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @1.3.1    2 weeks ago

They saw the potential for disbarment if they did lie.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.4  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago

I just want you to find me 11,780 votes, nothing wrong with saying you re-calculated . . . 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago

I'm getting so tired of hearing that!

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.5.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5    2 weeks ago

Which, the endlessly repeated claim that Trump won and Biden stole the election or the resultant challenges to that claim?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
1.5.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5    2 weeks ago
I'm getting so tired of hearing that!

Kind of hard to spin that one, huh?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.5.3  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Ozzwald @1.5.2    2 weeks ago
Kind of hard to spin that one, huh?

*coffee spew - bilateral nostril involvement* 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.1    2 weeks ago

All of the above.

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.5.5  author  TᵢG  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.5.4    2 weeks ago

If the claims would stop, so would the rebuttals of the claims.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.5.6  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.5    2 weeks ago

Very true.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.5.7  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.5    2 weeks ago

Or if the claims were substantiated with evidence/proof.

 
 
 
TᵢG
1.5.8  author  TᵢG  replied to  Gordy327 @1.5.7    2 weeks ago

True, but at this point it is clear that there is no evidence to support the claim that Trump won.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.5.9  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @1.5.8    2 weeks ago

Quite true.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
1.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  TᵢG @1    2 weeks ago
Claims are worthless.   Back them up.

That is what I have told my dad and a few of my cousins. Prove it or shut the fuck up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

A bunch of drunks, Q Anons, ignorant crakens, and white grievers are living in an alternate reality. 

 
 
 
CB
2.1  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 weeks ago

And Candace Owens-Farmer. Add her and her Black representation to the list of "grievers" too!

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  CB @2.1    2 weeks ago

Man, she is really in your head, isn't she?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.1    2 weeks ago

Got anything to say about the topic, Texas1211?

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.1.2    2 weeks ago

Is Candace Owens the topic?

Why not ask who brought her up?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.3    2 weeks ago

When I said the word "topic' I was referring to the topic of the article, and I replied to that comment of yours because it was the only comment you had made at the time:   Here is what the word "topic" I used referred to:

"For all those who even today hold that Trump actually won the election and that the certified results provided by the secretaries of state for each of the 50 states falsely hands the presidency to Biden and that Biden will thus be an illegitimate president, the floor is open for you to ... Make your case."

I thought THAT was the "topic".

 
 
 
Krishna
3  Krishna    2 weeks ago

Ironically,  there is a positive side to this.

Many Republicans actually believe the Election was "stolen"-- and that their votes don't count.

And on Tuesday-- at least in Georgia-- that's a good thing! 

(Hehehe...)

 
 
 
CB
3.1  CB   replied to  Krishna @3    2 weeks ago

I hope the republicans do not show up to vote this Tuesday, because Loeffler and Perdue are without moral righteousness. It's just raw politics with them, both. Let them politically rot.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  CB @3.1    2 weeks ago
I hope the republicans do not show up to vote this Tuesday, because Loeffler and Perdue are without moral righteousness

And think about this: some may not show up to vote because Trump (and his evil minions) have convinced them that their votes don't count! :-)

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 weeks ago
have convinced them that their votes don't count!

So why bother to even show up to vote if the Election is fixed & your vote doesn't count?

 
 
 
CB
3.1.3  CB   replied to  Krishna @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

Friend Krishna, you are consistent. (Smile.)

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @3.1    2 weeks ago

The really sad part is that they will probably reelected.  Their base is also Trump's base and those morons will vote them back in.

 
 
 
CB
3.1.5  CB   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

I can understand that it is hard to let go of "first loves" and the trend is to not jump off at the first disagreement; but, this stuff is piling up quick. Loeffler and Perdue are out of touch with the mood and temperament of a virus-laden, diseased, Georgia! Neither of the two pols are remedy for what is ailing Georgia (or this nation).

The nation is literally sick and tired. We need all around relief. Loeffler and Perdue promise more 'combat' for combat sake! "Put your dukes up!"

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @3.1.5    2 weeks ago

Considering what we found about KL, the only Duke she knows is David.

 
 
 
Thomas
3.2  Thomas  replied to  Krishna @3    2 weeks ago

I really don't foresee that happening. Same with the general election, Trump just throws out a load of shit to try and keep the democratic voters home and get the republican voters to the poles in larger numbers.

 
 
 
Ender
4  Ender    2 weeks ago

Notice that the congress people that were elected or reelected this last election are not claiming that their elections were fraudulent, even though it was the same election, same machines, same votes counted as with Biden.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1  Krishna  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago
Notice that the congress people that were elected or reelected this last election are not claiming that their elections were fraudulent, even though it was the same election, same machines, same votes counted as with Biden.

Not surprising perhaps-- just more of the typical MAGA-nut-cases typical hypocrisy.

 
 
 
devangelical
4.2  devangelical  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago

that concept is beyond the mental grasp of the hard core base

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
4.3  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @4    2 weeks ago

Weird right? Their elections were performed and counted in EXACTLY the same way and yet somehow their results are completely legit but the results for the presidential election (counted on the exact same fucking ballots by the exact same fucking machines) where Biden won are somehow suspect. 

I really want someone on air to ask one of the retards who won an election in a state where Trump is making these moronic claims to explain why we should consider their election valid. I mean shouldn't their claims be just as suspect as Biden's victory if they are in one of those states? 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.3.1  Dulay  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.3    2 weeks ago

It's cognitive dissonance, a sickness that they can't seem to kick.

 
 
 
TᵢG
4.3.2  author  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @4.3.1    2 weeks ago

I think it is confirmation bias.

 
 
 
CB
4.3.3  CB   replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.3    2 weeks ago

It's privilege and indulgence.and politics gone Wild! 'Katy' used to bar the door to keep this kind of thing out of reality.

 
 
 
Kavika
5  Kavika     2 weeks ago

There is NO PROOF of fraud or anything illegal, PERIOD. 

The BS being perpetrated by the lunatic fringe including some republican politicians is doing damage our country. 

And Ted Cruz who is supposed to be a constitutional expert is one or both of the following, a frickin' liar or a lackey of Trump.

 

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @5    2 weeks ago
a frickin' liar or a lackey of Trump.

Both.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @5    2 weeks ago
And Ted Cruz who is

and always has been a self-centered piece of shit whose only concern in his own political power. That is all the explanation you need in regards to what he is doing and saying. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Thrawn 31 @5.2    2 weeks ago

Oh I'd like another explanation:

Since Cruz and Hawley both hang their hats on their legal background that includes clerking for Chief Justices, how the hell can either of them justify the unconstitutionality of what they intend to do? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.2.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    2 weeks ago
Since Cruz and Hawley both hang their hats on their legal background that includes clerking for Chief Justices, how the hell can either of them justify the unconstitutionality of what they intend to do?

Perhaps that experience has provided knowledge beyond your comprehension. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.2    2 weeks ago

I doubt it. 

BTFW, don't you think that it is incumbent of them to be able to justify their actions so that a layman can comprehend it?  

I read and comprehended their press release and recognize it as the gaslighting bullshit that it is. They'll have to do MUCH better on the floor of the Senate if they want to rescue any semblance of credibility. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    2 weeks ago
I doubt it

I'm sure you do. You know more than they.  I forgot who I was addressing.............../s

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.4    2 weeks ago
I'm sure you do.

Glad we agree. 

You know more than they. 

I never made that claim so what makes you think so? 

I forgot who I was addressing.............../s

Short term memory loss? 

BTW Jim, you didn't answer my question.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Dulay @5.2.5    2 weeks ago

In answer to your question, no.

 
 
 
CB
5.2.7  CB   replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    2 weeks ago

Donald Trump has opened their noses up to how to soullessly play power in politics!

 
 
 
CB
5.2.8  CB   replied to  Dulay @5.2.3    2 weeks ago

It's all being done on the strength of raw ambition.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.2.9  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @5.2.6    2 weeks ago

So no short term memory loss but no answer for my other two questions...

 
 
 
lady in black
6  lady in black    2 weeks ago

Doncha know that everyone in the government and the court system are "in" on all the "fraud" s/

Here is the audio of orange conman bordering on treason and sedition

Audio: Trump berates Ga. secretary of state, urges him to ‘find’ votes 

 
 
 
Dulay
6.1  Dulay  replied to  lady in black @6    2 weeks ago

NONE of that matters since Trump can do whateverthefuck he wants up until the second he signs his own pardon. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dulay @6.1    2 weeks ago

And his base will STILL support him, criminal or not.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.2  author  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.1    2 weeks ago

Some of them will.   I suspect the majority will not.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
6.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  TᵢG @6.1.2    2 weeks ago

There are a few on this site who would not only support him, they would serve his sentence in jail for him.

 
 
 
TᵢG
6.1.4  author  TᵢG  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.3    2 weeks ago

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif   You might be right.

 
 
 
CB
6.2  CB   replied to  lady in black @6    2 weeks ago

They caught that 'orange' TROLL who golfs in December and GASLIGHTS in January trying to pull the GOOD OLD BOY ROUTINE behind the backs of voters, minorities, and women!

A-HA!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
7  Perrie Halpern R.A.    2 weeks ago

Tig,

I hate to point this out to you, but so far no takers. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    2 weeks ago

I would say that Trump supporters who are in touch with reality should try to talk some sense into their fellow supports who still, inexplicably, claim this election was stolen.   The election fraud supporters are making all Trump supporters and the R party itself look bad by association.

 
 
 
CB
7.1.1  CB   replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago

Until "they" say different, Trump supporters are all in on the Con, the Theft, the Abuse, and the Swindle. We have the Evidence and we present it before them and they continue supporting this fiendish cult of personality Donald Trump.

 
 
 
MrFrost
7.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago

You may be in for a long wait. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
7.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago
Trump supporters who are in touch with reality
If they are Trump supporters, they have no grasp on reality.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.5  author  TᵢG  replied to    2 weeks ago
I will try to talk sense into Trump supporters when the leftist accknowledge ...

Is that tacit acknowledgement that Trump supporters who continue to believe the election was stolen need sense to be talked into them?

 
 
 
Gordy327
7.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago
talk some sense into their fellow supports who still, inexplicably, claim this election was stolen.

There is no sense or reasoning with anyone so far disconnected from reality (or sanity) who believes the election was stolen.

 
 
 
CB
7.1.7  CB   replied to  TᵢG @7.1.5    2 weeks ago

Frankly, I like your approach to managing this topic.

 
 
 
CB
7.1.8  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @7.1.6    2 weeks ago

This is a concerted effort (reminds me of MAGA too) by republicans and conservatives to disenfranchise liberals. Apparently, Trump supporters have no intention of being bested by liberals even in a fair fight. So they launch these political salvos into our camp repeatedly.

 
 
 
Gordy327
7.1.9  Gordy327  replied to  CB @7.1.8    2 weeks ago

Those who can't win a fair fight might be quick to accuse others of cheating, much like Trump supporters do regarding the election results.

 
 
 
Krishna
7.1.10  Krishna  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago
The election fraud supporters are making all Trump supporters and the R party itself look bad by association.

Quite true.

Which is why more and more prominent Republicans are trying to talk Trump out of his insanity! He's hurting the Republican party and many republicans know it.

(And let's hope that carries over into hurting the chances of the two Republicans in the Georgia runoff..this Tuesday!)

 
 
 
CB
7.1.11  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @7.1.9    2 weeks ago

Thus is the case, where you have to continue to knock the political H out of said individuals.  When someone won't respect us enough to get out of our way; politically flatten their asses or literally lay them out on the floor!

Donald Trump is a snake. That dirty bastard is going behind the curtain and pulling the "good old boy" card on republicans. Trump wants all republicans to accept him as their moral figure. The game: Win at any cost. He wants the republican party to have no more integrity than he: NONE.

Just wing it through life, doing what you can and dismissing the rest out of mind. Conscience-less.

Cult Of Personality Motto: Lie. Cheap. Steal.

 
 
 
Dulay
7.1.12  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago

TiG, don't you know the old saying, good for thee but not for me? 

Trump supporters are special snowflakes who have deeply held individual beliefs and are only responsible for their own words and actions. So no matter what Trump or his sycophants say or do, though they lend their support, they aren't culpable. 

Yet ironically, they insist that 'secular progressive liberals' with a hive mind and each one of them is individually responsible for every word spoken and every action by a perceived member of the 'hive'. 

Maxine Waters says something, ALL Democrats are culpable.

Louis Gohmert says something, they insist that we should just view him as their crazy Uncle and leave them out of it. 

It drips with hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.13  Tessylo  replied to    2 weeks ago

There's no talking . . . sense or otherwise . . . to some folks . . . . 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  CB @7.1.1    2 weeks ago

Maybe they think their dear leader will sign a blanket generic pardon for all of them.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.16  author  TᵢG  replied to    2 weeks ago

As if I don't try?  

It is a shame that rational Rs are not trying to talk sense into their fellow Rs.   That would be more effective than an I trying to convince an R.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.18  author  TᵢG  replied to    2 weeks ago
Who has time to run around trying to convince other people what  to believe?

Well you try to do it all the time here every time you offer your opinion or present what you consider to be a fact.   When you read comments with which you disagree, do you ever formulate a reply in disagreement?   Rhetorical.   You do it all the time (as do we all).   Your recent comment is an example.

So when people are running about talking about Biden stealing the election and continuing the divisiveness in our nation, if you disagree with them you might give them some information to help set them straight.  

You choose not to because you 'do not have time'.

I have better things to do like arguing with people on line.

Yet here you are.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.19  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @7.1.18    2 weeks ago
"Yet here you are."

arguing with people on line . . . . 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
7.1.20  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  TᵢG @7.1    2 weeks ago

Some of us understand and realize that Trump lost the election. I'm not necessarily happy about it, but I believe everything happens for a reason too. However, it's difficult to reason with the unreasonable and that includes a few on NT.

 
 
 
TᵢG
7.1.22  author  TᵢG  replied to    2 weeks ago

You are trying to convince others right now with your snark.

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @7.1.20    2 weeks ago
"However, it's difficult to reason with the unreasonable and that includes a few on NT."

The tRump supporters

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.24  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to    2 weeks ago
...relaxing and not trying to conceive others

Oddly enough, I spent years as a flight attendant doing that same thing.  Whooda thunk we had something in common?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
7.1.25  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.1.24    2 weeks ago

Yes, of course, only women can conceive others.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
7.1.26  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7.1.25    2 weeks ago
Yes, of course, only women can conceive others.

I know that, and you know that, but...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
7.1.27  Thrawn 31  replied to    2 weeks ago
I have better things to do like arguing with people on line.

Obviously not lol.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
7.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7    2 weeks ago
Tig, I hate to point this out to you, but so far no takers.

This one is going to take a little longer than normal to find a way to spin it.  If not for the recording, they would just deny he said it.

 
 
 
pat wilson
8  pat wilson    2 weeks ago

The election was certainly not stolen but they keep trying :

Trump asked Georgia secretary of state to 'find' 11.7k ballots, 'recalculate' election result

trump should be charged with sedition and sent to Guantanamo.

 
 
 
MrFrost
8.1  MrFrost  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 weeks ago

I had thought that the call was from weeks ago....it's from yesterday. For all the yelling and screaming about voter fraud and coup attempts, it's trump that is pushing the coup attempt supported by a faction of people in congress. It truly is sedition and the 14th Amendment spells it out very clearly. 

It should be noted that in these tapes, trump is literally asking to have over 11,000 votes, "created" to help him out. It's called extortion. 

 
 
 
CB
8.1.1  CB   replied to  MrFrost @8.1    2 weeks ago

Trump won't leave Georgia's Secretary of State alone with his liberty. Here we have on full display the "some republican way" of jackin' the freedom of another republican! Donald gives a damn about liberty, freedom, and 'the American Way'!

Trump republicans are full shit and rhetoric.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @8.1    2 weeks ago
'It should be noted that in these tapes, trump is literally asking to have over 11,000 votes, "created" to help him out. It's called extortion.'

I need you to find these votes

Nixon and Watergate ain't got nothin' on you!

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2  Krishna  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 weeks ago
trump should be charged with sedition and sent to Guantanamo.

LOCK HIM UP!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 weeks ago

Is there a golf course in Guantanamo?

 
 
 
pat wilson
8.3.1  pat wilson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.3    2 weeks ago

Ya, it's all sand trap and there's no carts or caddys.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
8.3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  pat wilson @8.3.1    2 weeks ago

... and there are landmines...

... oh, wait... IEDs...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  pat wilson @8.3.1    2 weeks ago

The only hole in one will be Trump when he meets Bubba.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.4  Ozzwald  replied to  pat wilson @8    2 weeks ago
trump should be charged with sedition and sent to Guantanamo.

You have to wonder, just what the Hell does Trump have to do for the current republicans to act?  He is openly trying to overturn a democratic election, striking at the heart of the Constitution. 

He needs to be removed TODAY!

 
 
 
Kathleen
9  Kathleen    2 weeks ago

comments removed at commentators request [ph]

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Kathleen @9    2 weeks ago

Yesterday one of your fellow Trump supporters wrote:   

"The election was stolen.  There is no doubt at all that’s the truth.  We will see all the needed evidence on the 6th."

This makes all Trump supporters (and the R party itself) look bad by association.

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    2 weeks ago
We will see all the needed  evidence on the 6th.

They should be calling the SCOTUS with this information because trumps legal team and 60 judges, (most of which are republicans), sure as hell couldn't find any. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.2  author  TᵢG  replied to  MrFrost @9.1.1    2 weeks ago

Trump should be out there in his typical style claiming that 'there has never been an election so scrutinized as this one'.   That is his language style and, ironically, it just might also be the truth.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    2 weeks ago

They have had 50 court challenges to present evidence and all 50 were thrown out.  They have no evidence.

 
 
 
MrFrost
9.1.5  MrFrost  replied to    2 weeks ago
Are you saying that I look bad?

Far be it for me to speak on TiG's behalf, but I believe it wasn't aimed at you specifically, but republicans as a whole. Trump is a horrible person and president, associating yourself as a supporter is becoming a liability with each passing day as trump becomes more and more erratic.

Free country, you can vote who you want to vote for. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.6  author  TᵢG  replied to    2 weeks ago

My comment had nothing to do with you personally.   What I wrote is that comments by Trump supporters who DO think the election was stolen make all Trump supporters and the R party look bad by association.

In response you might agree or disagree.   Taking it personal misses my point entirely.

I asked you because as a self-identified Trump supporter you might have something to offer that is different from those of us who did not and do not support Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
9.1.8  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.6    2 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

59 out of 60 -- one wasn't tossed out

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.10  Tessylo  replied to    2 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.4    2 weeks ago

I thought they won one - to allow Republican observers to stand 6 feet from vote counters in Pennsylvania.  BFD (That's an acronym you shouldn't have to look up.)

 
 
 
Thomas
9.1.12  Thomas  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.11    2 weeks ago

I used to have a big stuffed dog that I called "Bouncy Floppy Doggy"... Or "BFD"

Somehow I think that that is not what you meant. (In case you were wondering, the acronym came before the naming of the dog ;) )

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.1.13  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @9.1    2 weeks ago

Why is it that, with this 'president' including this latest call to Georgia (find me these votes), it's always

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Ozzwald
9.1.14  Ozzwald  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.11    2 weeks ago
I thought they won one - to allow Republican observers to stand 6 feet from vote counters in Pennsylvania.  BFD (That's an acronym you shouldn't have to look up.)

No they lost that one.  Observers were already there, 6 feet away.  They sued to allow the observers to basically watch over the counter's shoulders, and wanted results thrown out since they were required to be 6 feet away, and election officials would not provide them with binoculars.

GOP wins court order on mail ballots in state Senate contest

HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — More than 2,000 undated mail-in ballots cannot be counted in a western Pennsylvania state Senate race, an appeals court ruled Thursday, saying handwritten dates “provide a measure of security.”

The 2-1 Commonwealth Court decision could swing the neck-and-neck contest in which Republican challenger Nicole Ziccarelli trails narrowly against Sen. Jim Brewster, D-Allegheny.

Judge Kevin Brobson, a Republican, said to ignore the requirement that mail-in voters date the outside of return envelopes “would constitute a judicial rewrite of the statute.”
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.15  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.9    2 weeks ago

I was being generous.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.6    2 weeks ago

As you can see, she turned tail and ran because she can't back anything up. Also, looks like her White Knights deserted her

 
 
 
devangelical
9.1.17  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1.16    2 weeks ago

maybe they're learning to appreciate the now semi-predictable theatrics and following comic spectacle of an online meltdown.

 
 
 
Split Personality
9.1.18  Split Personality  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.9    2 weeks ago

Yet

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9.1.19  JohnRussell  replied to  devangelical @9.1.17    2 weeks ago

The Georgia secretary of states office is currently beating on Trump like a rented mule, at a press conference, as we speak. Point by point. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
9.1.20  author  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.19    2 weeks ago

Trump's behavior should likely damage the R party.   If the R senators lose tomorrow, one could make a good case for blaming Trump.

 
 
 
devangelical
9.1.21  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @9.1.20    2 weeks ago
Trump's behavior should likely damage the R party

that fault line can be seen on NT. bummer.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.22  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Thomas @9.1.12    2 weeks ago

LOL

 
 
 
Krishna
9.2  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @9    2 weeks ago
Even though I was not a big fan of mail in voting

Normally I wouldn't be either.

But remember, there was a new factor in play this time-- the Virus. Many older people with pre-existing conditions, people who were physically able to go to voting places did not want to, as they were afraid of exposing themselves to the virus.

(IMO that's was a legitimate concern, especially in states were many people were lax about wearing masks, social distancing, etc.)

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
9.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @9.2    2 weeks ago
not a big fan of mail in voting

We've seen hours-long lines to polling stations. On work-days! That's worthy of a banana republic.

The most reasonable amelioration would be to not vote for offices that should be employees in the administration (from dog-catcher to sheriff), but that's not for tomorrow.

The next best would be... increasing voting by mail. It imposes the least charge on voters, and personnel can be assigned to counting, as needed.

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @9.2.1    2 weeks ago

Other states have done only mail in voting for some time now with no problems.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.2.4  Tessylo  replied to    2 weeks ago

That has nothing to do with what I said.

 
 
 
devangelical
9.2.5  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @9.2.4    2 weeks ago

not sure, but I think he's claiming that states sent out absentee ballots like junk mail, which is another of the deep fascist state, alt-news, zombie myths that refuse to die even after being proven false a number of times. I've voted by mail in my state since 2010. I was out of town during covid, so I voted by absentee ballot this year.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9.2.6  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  devangelical @9.2.5    2 weeks ago

Point being, did you have to ask for the absentee ballot prior to getting it?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
9.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2.6    2 weeks ago
Point being, did you have to ask for the absentee ballot prior to getting it?

Why?  Why not make it available for anyone?  There is no history of election fraud with mail in ballots.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
9.2.9  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @9.2.8    2 weeks ago

Got no problem with by request. Willy nilly mailing is bullshit and there are states that do just that........to "registered" voters.........supposedly (without purging the rolls)

 
 
 
Ozzwald
9.2.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2.9    2 weeks ago
Got no problem with by request.

Me neither.

Willy nilly mailing is bullshit

Are you going to bother explaining why it is "bullshit"?  Seems to me it will just make it easier for more people to vote.

there are states that do just that........to "registered" voters

I live in one, and guess what....no fraud.

supposedly (without purging the rolls)

So you're trying to save trees?  How commendable. 

Otherwise, "purging the rolls" just causes people to lose their legal right to vote because they were accidently purged. 

And AGAIN, there has been no documented voter fraud, using mail-in or absentee ballots to substantial degree.  Just the usual one offs that do not effect the outcomes.

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.11  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2.6    2 weeks ago

Why is that the 'point being'?

Each state controls it's own elections. My state required me to apply for a absentee ballot. I have no issue with other states that sent out ballots to every registered voter. Why do you? 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.2.12  Dulay  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.2.9    2 weeks ago
Willy nilly mailing is bullshit and there are states that do just that........to "registered" voters.........supposedly (without purging the rolls)

Why the scare quotes Jim? Do you have some trove of evidence that shows that states mailed out ballots to people that were NOT registered? 

Oh and other than innuendo, WTF is the point of your purging comment? Please be specific. 

 
 
 
Krishna
9.3  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @9    2 weeks ago
After checking and they seem to be satisfied, then it is over. 

Even the Right-wing New York Post (which has been consistently a strong Trump supporter) has said its over-- and urged Trump to discontinue his efforts to over-turn legitimate election results. 

(And their efforts are due in a large part to them being loyal Republicans and Conservatives. They realize how Trump's efforts at these point have zero chance of success, but will ultimately hurt the Republican Party):

384

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Krishna @9.3    2 weeks ago

Maybe it will have the great effect of dividing the Republican party into two camps, causing a split and the formation of two separate parties out of the original Republican party - i.e. the Republican Party and the Fuhrer Trump party. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Krishna @9.3    2 weeks ago

He lost Pat Robertson last week.

Now the NY Post. Seems Humpty Dumpty's Wall is crumbling

 
 
 
pat wilson
9.3.3  pat wilson  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.3.2    2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.3.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @9.3.3    2 weeks ago

Eggscellent!

 
 
 
devangelical
9.4  devangelical  replied to  Kathleen @9    2 weeks ago
they seem to be satisfied

but apparently you're not.

I decided to make a honest comment of how I feel about the election, I was hoping you would be satisfied with that. Are you saying that I look bad?

[Deleted]

I came on here with good intentions ONLY.

I'm sure of that.

If you are going to throw what other Trump supporters are saying and believing in my face, then I am not going to comment any further on this article.

buh-bye

One last comment here....

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
9.4.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @9.4    2 weeks ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
9.4.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  devangelical @9.4    2 weeks ago

tsk...tsk...tsk...

Some people just can't handle hot kitchens, can they?

 
 
 
Kavika
10  Kavika     2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
Raven Wing
10.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @10    2 weeks ago

So very true, Kavika, and then there are those who are more of less begging to be manipulated by Trump that they are more then eager to sell their souls to the Devil just to be used by him. And he is so happy to accomodate them. Which proves that neither of them have any morals at all. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
11  author  TᵢG    2 weeks ago
The fix is in. The election was stolen.  We need to stop the steal.  The author and his source are exactly right.  The democrat party, the Biden crime family syndicate, and the deep state stole this election.  Barring a miracle the USA will be ruled over by a corruptocracy the next four years.  There will be no legitimacy to a Biden regime. 

Is this how Rs would like themselves to be seen?   Would the average R or Trump supporter see words like these as exemplifying their own views?   Or would they disassociate themselves from this kind of rhetoric?

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.1  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @11    2 weeks ago

They probably do not even care how they're seen. It's attention seeking so they can sound off, regardless of how irrational they are.

 
 
 
CB
11.2  CB   replied to  TᵢG @11    2 weeks ago

Forgive me for being crude and to  the point, but its a new year and for me it is time for the gloves to come off! MAGA commenter is an illustrator of the Trump view of Democratic Party and Liberals. Donald Trump examples: Never surrender - even in the face of facts and figures to the contrary. Charge ahead.

(Keep patting a big fat butt in the face of those "talkie" liberals as you eat their lunch!)

Trump supporters look up right in our 'avatars' and tell us they have no intention of respecting our worldviews, points, plans for the nation no matter the soundness, or sharing of figures or factual data.

Donald Trump is who they want to lead them-badly. No doubt. It is time to believe them and accept them. Let them respond differently when they dismount that cult of personality.

The Remedy: Shove plenty of get out the vote, facts, figures, logic, critical thinking, reason—all tinged with appropriate measured doses of discipline and love into Trump supporter cheeks!

 
 
 
Krishna
11.2.1  Krishna  replied to  CB @11.2    2 weeks ago
Never surrender - even in the face of facts and figures to the contrary.

It's called being a "sore-loser".

Politicians of both parties lose elections from time to time-- but most admit it gracefully and move on.

But Trump is acting like an immature child throwing temper tantrums! 

Most American's (including many loyal, life-long Republicans) are beginning to get fed up with his childish behaviour.

 
 
 
Dulay
11.2.2  Dulay  replied to  CB @11.2    2 weeks ago

Oh how I wish that I could see a glimmer of hope for your remedy CB. Alas, I do not. 

As long as I have been here, I have attempted to present facts, figures, logic, and reason yet I have rarely if ever been met with the critical thinking required to embrace them. In fact, it's rare that any of it is even acknowledged and much more likely to be met with crickets. 

If you listen to the audio of Trump's call to Georgia's SoS, he just blathers conspiracies and even though  Raffensperger tell him that his information is false, he just rinses and repeats the bullshit. That seems to be inherent in Trump and his sycophants. Facts have no effect on their worldview. 

 
 
 
CB
11.2.3  CB   replied to  Dulay @11.2.2    2 weeks ago

Friend Dulay, my point is we can only (as Raffensperger) "stay the course" of facts, figures, logic, and reason. These will do their best work in due course of time. After all, look at Donald now - a panicky MESS stripped of all fanfare outside his so-called, "kingdom" —in the other realms where facts, figures, logic, and reason rule.

The courts can not digest Trump opinions. Thus some of Donald's chosen "favorites" took their offices and sat in judgement of what they allow across their professional thresholds. The mistake, Donald made, and I wondered about too, was that he thought "they" were modeling themselves after him. Men and women longing for dominance instead of what they were really after: Principle and long-servitude.

It should be clear to many of us after all this, that truth can be delivered fast, with expediency, or it drag to catch up; When it does-WHAM!

"Hello Reality!"

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @11    2 weeks ago
Is this how Rs would like themselves to be seen?   

Excellent question.

Nothing I've seen indicates that the Rs give a damn that they look ridiculous. So... why??

I think they know they've definitively lost all voters other than TrumpTrueBelievers. So all their publicity is directed that way. And they know that TrumpTrueBelievers have no limit on their capacity to accept even the most absurd nonsense.

So we're watching a contest to see who can be loopiest.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.3.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.3    2 weeks ago
Nothing I've seen indicates that the Rs give a damn that they look ridiculous.

There are only a few of the NT Rs actively making these ridiculous claims.    I only know of one or two in my circle that buy into that crap.  The others here, I suspect, are silently wishing those making these now truly stupid claims to just STFU.    At least, I would hope that is what they are thinking.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @11.3.1    2 weeks ago

IMNAAHO, a silent Republican is looking pretty ridiculous these days. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.3.3  author  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @11.3.2    2 weeks ago

I tend to agree, but it is far better to be silent than to go full MAGA at this point.   The Trump MAGA sycophants supporting this national election fraud con look far worse than those who are not engaging.

 
 
 
Kavika
12  Kavika     2 weeks ago
Make your case

There is no case to make from the republican side. The case for stealing the election belongs to Trump and the nutcases that are supporting him. After the recorded conversation between Trump and Georgia Secretary of State, it is painfully obvious to anyone with a brain that it's Trump that is trying to steal the election and possibly committing a crime in the process. 

 
 
 
Kavika
12.1  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @12    2 weeks ago

512

 
 
 
CB
12.1.1  CB   replied to  Kavika @12.1    2 weeks ago

The ASK!

 
 
 
Dig
13  Dig    2 weeks ago

I've got to hand it to all of you who are still able to interact with the seditious, treasonous, coup supporting, anti-republic 'Republican', die hard Trump supporters on this site. I haven't been able to do so for weeks. Makes my blood absolutely boil. 

This shit is unforgivable. Never forget.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
14  Hal A. Lujah    2 weeks ago

Shoot.  I was hoping to find the answers on this article, but those arguing for Trump don’t even have an argument to bring to the table.  I guess the reasoning will have to stay parked on “because that’s what I want”.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14    2 weeks ago

They're kinda quiet, hmmm?

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
14.1.1  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Bob Nelson @14.1    2 weeks ago

I’m waiting for the inevitable argument (especially by one particular member here) that it is incumbent upon Joe Biden to prove that he didn’t cheat.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

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TᵢG
14.1.3  author  TᵢG  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

@15 gets pretty close.

 
 
 
Gordy327
14.1.4  Gordy327  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14.1.1    2 weeks ago

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? 

 
 
 
Krishna
14.2  Krishna  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @14    2 weeks ago
but those arguing for Trump don’t even have an argument to bring to the table.

Not at present.

But give them a little time-- they will eventually come up with an argument.

Because that's their ingrained pattern of behaviour-- that's what they do-- at least the worst of the group (and unfortunately there are a few still active on this site...)

They never give up trying to con us.

(Of course the argument they come up with will be absolutely ridiculous...but they never give up hope they can find some mentally-challenged people to con)

 
 
 
Nerm_L
15  Nerm_L    2 weeks ago

We are supposed to ignore the Democratic primaries where the Democratic Party changed their own rules during the process.  We're supposed to accept that beginning voting in September (supposedly because of the pandemic) resulted in a fair election.  We're supposed to accept that a candidate who campaigned very little and received little press coverage won more votes than any other candidate in the history of the US.  Biden has gotten more press coverage as President-elect than he did as a candidate.  That has been explained as a referendum on Trump, yet we are to ignore that down ballot Republicans who aligned with Trump (some of whom even campaigned on Qanon conspiracy theories) actually did well during the election.

We are supposed to ignore three years of investigation which only resulted in a handful of convictions for lying to the FBI.  We are supposed to ignore the press twisting everything the Trump administration did into the most cynical, pessimistic, conspiratorial type of reporting.  We're supposed to ignore the House Democrats impeaching a President based upon a parody as evidence.  

After what has transpired over the last four years, we're to accept that nothing was rigged?  We are expected to believe the intensive and extensive effort to 'get' Trump was about pursuing truth and protecting democracy?  Yes, Donald Trump is a liar and charlatan.  But that isn't an excuse to avoid acknowledging that those opposed to Trump having been lying charlatans, too.

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.1  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago

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Bob Nelson
15.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago

Both sides do it!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
15.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago

We're supposed to accept that a candidate who campaigned very little and received little press coverage won more votes than any other candidate in the history of the US.

When you are running against such a notoriously horrible candidate like Donald Trump, all you need to do is sit back and watch him lose.  The fact is, the black vote did not show up for Hillary Clinton like they did for Obama, because she didn’t inspire them enough to leave the house.  They personally witnessed the results of their error, and showed up in force this time around to correct it.  Trump and his gang of thieves have spent every second since then trying to exclude those particular votes using every wildly disproven explanation they can come up with, no matter how embarrassing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @15.3    2 weeks ago

Please outline how the Trump Administration has been particularly hard on blacks.

Specifics, please.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
15.3.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

Please show me where I said he was.  Specifics, please.

We ALL have been witnessing the horrors of the Trump administration - black, white, brown and otherwise.  It’s no secret that the black turnout for Hillary was not as high as it should have been.  Had they turned out, we and the rest of the world wouldn’t have had to endure this abomination called Trump.  More than likely all of these false claims of voter fraud would have occurred four years ago instead, as Trump suggested he would have done had he lost back then.  It has nothing to do with “Trump’s treatment of blacks” as YOU have suggested.  Although, nothing inspires the black vote more than an opponent who lavishes praise and acceptance on racist organizations, like Trump does.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @15.3.2    2 weeks ago
Please show me where I said he was.  Specifics, please.

Will quoting your own words back to you suffice as specific enough?

"The fact is, the black vote did not show up for Hillary Clinton like they did for Obama, because she didn’t inspire them enough to leave the house.  They personally witnessed the results of their error, and showed up in force this time around to correct it.  "

Also, why do you seem to think that blacks must be "inspired" enough to even leave the house? [deleted]

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
15.3.4  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.3    2 weeks ago

[deleted]  You’ve just quoted back to me the same evidence that I pointed out which disproves your stupid allegation.  [deleted]

Also, why do you seem to think that blacks must be "inspired" enough to even leave the house? [comment removed for context [ph]]

Oh, how cute.  You think that my speaking out loud a plain truth about black turnout four years ago was a perfect opportunity to paint me as a racist. [deleted]

 
 
 
CB
15.3.6  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.1    2 weeks ago

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Mr. Farmer.  Donald Trump. Mrs. Candace Owens-Farmer.

Candace decided to insult Black American liberals by branding them 'plantation negroes' (paraphrase) slaving away in the Democratic Party. Then, "Ms Thang" had the brass vagina to imagine she had strength and reach enough to start #Blexit and lead blacks to 'conservative-ville' a region somewhere inside either Donald's butt or head depending on orientation and time and space. Then, Candace wrote a book about it all: BlackOut .  A thing so pathetic and hard to read that I who can read many opposing points of view could not even stand up to this challenge speed-reading.

Considering all the above, it was hard on me and many other Blacks. That is, Donald did not win the hearts and minds of the Black majority voters.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.3.6    2 weeks ago

yeah, yeah, yeah.

Your opinion of a strong black woman who doesn't toe the Democratic Party line in just so freaking horrible.

 
 
 
CB
15.3.8  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.7    2 weeks ago

Well, you asked.

Candace Owens-Farmer is mighty strong in ways that some conservatives approve. I suppose. Y'all got her. Y'all can keep her and her raging against Blacks commentary.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.3.8    2 weeks ago

And you are free to remain in the Democratic Party fold--or is that plantation?

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.3.8    2 weeks ago
Well, you asked.

No, I actually did not ask.
Why would I ask about something so off topic--especially when your "view" on her is well known?

i do admire how you manage to work her in, though!

She must really have space in your head!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
15.3.11  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.9    2 weeks ago
And you are free to remain in the Democratic Party fold--or is that plantation?

The Democrats of today whose ancestors were on those plantations were the slaves. The descendants of the Southern Democrats who owned those slaves have all become Republicans who defend their confederate flags and confederate monuments and call white supremacists and Nazi's marching in the streets "fine people" and are still the white conservative Christian majority controlling those former confederate States today.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
15.3.12  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @15.3.6    2 weeks ago

That's her husband?

 
 
 
CB
15.3.13  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.9    2 weeks ago

Whichever gives you cold comfort, Texan. I'm good like that.

 
 
 
CB
15.3.14  CB   replied to  Trout Giggles @15.3.12    2 weeks ago

Yes. He's British, conservative, and from a political dynasty there also.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.15  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.3.11    2 weeks ago

still pushing the insane theory that all those Southern Democrats became Republicans, I see.

Cute!

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.3.13    2 weeks ago

Haha!

I am good knowing you just can't stop thinking of her!

 
 
 
CB
15.3.17  CB   replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.10    2 weeks ago

This year I won't be giving a flying. . . anything for some conservative deflections. So they can have their way with the spaces in their heads. Words are words. Deal with them.  And, if you have something more interesting to do rather than this 'see-saw' —don't bother will this 'lil-bit' —Just do it!

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  CB @15.3.17    2 weeks ago

we know for certain that you do not have any empty head.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
15.3.19  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.15    2 weeks ago
still pushing the insane theory that all those Southern Democrats became Republicans

All those former Southern Democrats who wrapped themselves in their confederate ancestry and angrily protect the confederate monuments and march in the streets waving confederate flags along side swastika flags didn't just die off or move out of the South. The same conservative white Christians who ran those Southern States are still running them today, they simply changed parties over the last forty years. Trying to pretend they simply vanished or are still somehow the Democrats of today who despise the confederate flag and have been working to tear down the confederate monuments and have welcomed black Americans into their party with open arms is the truly insane theory.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.20  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.3.19    2 weeks ago

my, my. such horrible things to say about Democrats.

Funny how much Democrats loved those racist Southerners when it gave control to the party!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
15.3.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.3.19    2 weeks ago

Here is one very good example:

James Strom Thurmond Sr.  (December 5, 1902 – June 26, 2003) was an American military officer, attorney, judge and politician who served for 48 years as a  United States Senator  from  South Carolina . He ran for president in  1948  as the  Dixiecrat  candidate on a  states' rights  platform supporting  racial segregation . He received 2.4% of the popular vote and 39  electoral votes , failing to defeat  Harry Truman . Thurmond represented South Carolina in the  United States Senate  from 1954 until 2003, at first as a  Southern Democrat  and then, from 1964 onwards, as a  Republican .
 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
15.3.22  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.20    2 weeks ago
Funny how

...Republicans can only deflect from the fact that they are now the political party that defends the confederate flag, confederate monuments and claims there is no systemic racism counter to all evidence. It's no wonder that 80%+ of black Americans choose to align themselves with Democrats even though Southern Democrats were the party of racism and segregation for the first 200 years of our nation. One would think that black Americans in the South would all lean Republican, the supposed party of Lincoln and emancipation, but they aren't stupid, they clearly see which party today actually values them and works towards a more perfect union by acknowledging and addressing the racial inequity that they experience on a daily basis and it certainly is not the Republican party in the South that has just picked up where the Dixiecrats left off. I find it truly hilarious that anyone actually believes the large white conservative Christian control of the South which has never really changed are somehow not the same folk or descendants of those who used to register as Southern Democrats (Dixiecrats) and fought the civil rights act and voting rights act that were passed and signed into law by the majority of Democrats and a Democrat President who rejected segregation and embraced equality. Those who continue this fantasy that white Christian conservative Republicans who now hold almost all the same seats of power in the South that the former white Christian conservative Dixiecrats held and continue to protect the monuments to white supremacist traitors their ancestors erected or the confederate flag their ancestors flew are in severe denial of reality.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.23  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.3.22    2 weeks ago

You seem really hung up on that Confederate flag.

Democrats LOVED them some racist Southerners when it meant total control of Congress for decades. It is pointless to deny that.

Simple truth is that Southern Democrats continued to vote other Southern Democrats into office for decades after the Civil Rights Bill passed.

And now most of those racists are dead and buried.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
15.3.24  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @15.3.23    2 weeks ago
You seem really hung up on that Confederate flag.

It is a symbol of hate, racism and treason so those still clinging to it and defending it are obviously embracing the things it stands for.

Democrats LOVED them some racist Southerners when it meant total control of Congress for decades. It is pointless to deny that.

Notice the "ED" on the end of that word? That denotes past tense. And for the record I have never denied the fact that Northern Democrats did use Southern Democrats to pass many laws early last century and really only split in the 1950's and '60's specifically over segregation.

Simple truth is that Southern Democrats continued to vote other Southern Democrats into office for decades after the Civil Rights Bill passed.

The "Southern strategy" that Republicans at the time employed did not work overnight. It was an appeal to the disaffected Southern Democrats angered at Northern Democrats passing the civil rights act and voting rights act that Republicans knew would likely take decades to show results. By 1991 they had effectively completed their flip of the South from blue to red.

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats" - Republican strategist Kevin Phillips in 1970 NY Times interview

And now most of those racists are dead and buried.

Many are, many aren't, and the conservative racist apples that fell from their conservative racist trees are abundant in the South and now make up the vast majority of the Republican power structure there. Anyone denying that fact is either a deluded moron simply refusing to accept reality or a Republican determined to deflect and distract from the truth because the truth hurts.

 
 
 
Texan1211
15.3.25  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.3.24    2 weeks ago
It is a symbol of hate, racism and treason so those still clinging to it and defending it are obviously embracing the things it stands for.

That is certainly one opinion.

Notice the "ED" on the end of that word? That denotes past tense. And for the record I have never denied the fact that Northern Democrats did use Southern Democrats to pass many laws early last century and really only split in the 1950's and '60's specifically over segregation.

Did you think I typed that blindfolded or something?

Please do tell me how Northern Democrats split from Southern Democrats.

This should be really exciting!

(And no, I don't mean "split" as in how they may have differed in opinions on race--tell me how the Northern Democrats split from the Southern Democrats.)

The "Southern strategy" that Republicans at the time employed did not work overnight. It was an appeal to the disaffected Southern Democrats angered at Northern Democrats passing the civil rights act and voting rights act that Republicans knew would likely take decades to show results. By 1991 they had effectively completed their flip of the South from blue to red.

Yeah, Southern Democrats fled to the Party that freed the slaves and voted overwhelmingly for the Civil Rights Act. 

Man, doesn't THAT sound plausible!

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.4  author  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago
After what has transpired over the last four years, we're to accept that nothing was rigged?

Nerm, good grief, we are not expected to believe anything without convincing evidence.

Those propping up this election fraud bullshit are asking people to believe that the USA 2020 presidential election was replete with fraud sufficient to change the outcome.  Yet they cannot seem to find the supporting evidence.

'Follow the evidence' is what is being asked, not that you believe something without evidence.

Good grief man, do you actually believe Trump's con??

 
 
 
Nerm_L
15.4.1  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @15.4    2 weeks ago
Nerm, good grief, we are not expected to believe anything without convincing evidence.

What transpired over the last four years has shown how easily political evidence can be manufactured.  And manufactured evidence takes precedent based upon whatever anyone wishes to believe.

Those propping up this election fraud bullshit are asking people to believe that the USA 2020 presidential election was replete with fraud sufficient to change the outcome.  Yet they cannot seem to find the supporting evidence.

The politics isn't any different than that used to justify investigating 'Russian collusion' and impeachment based upon political evidence.  Now those who believe whatever they want to believe are questioning political evidence?

The evidence for election fraud is just as sound as was the evidence for 'Russian collusion'.  

Good grief man, do you actually believe Trump's con??

I believe Trump is engaged in the same type of politics as those opposed to Trump have used over the last four years.  What is happening are the consequences of letting the 'resistance' run amok.

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.1    2 weeks ago

Nothing was manufactured against tRump.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.4.3  author  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.1    2 weeks ago
I believe Trump is engaged in the same type of politics as those opposed to Trump have used over the last four years. 

Does that vague answer mean that you believe Biden stole the election from Trump?  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
15.4.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.1    2 weeks ago

If Trump has evidence of election fraud, what is he waiting for to produce it? 

Let's see his witnesses undergo questioning so we can see for ourselves what their credibility is. 

The sole witness they have produced, in Michigan , was widely disbelieved. 

Evidence, evidence, evidence? Where is it?  The video in Georgia concerning boxes of votes taken out from under tables has been completely debunked, yet Trump mentioned it repeatedly on the phone call Saturday.  

No one has mistreated Trump. But he has sure as hell mistreated this country. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
15.4.5  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @15.4.4    2 weeks ago

Neither Trump or his supporters have any evidence to offer. They might be thinking that if they whine and continue to make fraud allegations, someone might take them seriously or lend credibility to the claims.  It's not likely to happen, at least not from any rational minded individual. 

 
 
 
CB
15.4.6  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @15.4.5    2 weeks ago

Trump is attempting to swindle the Georgia Secretary of State and the people of Georgia into ACTING on his request, while waiting on his mythical evidence that is like the old quip: "The check is in the mail!"

Trumphole is president of the United States, evidence that exist is handy to any and every president. Trumphole has tried 18 prior times to have this phone meeting with the Georgia Secretary of State. . .and when it hits. . . the President of the United States is still talking about the evidence is 'over there being prepared.'

Here the deal. Trump wants his phony CREATED votes -this week. And the 'Sec' can keep holding the empty bag of promises for evidence until the term ends.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
15.4.7  Nerm_L  replied to  TᵢG @15.4.3    2 weeks ago
Does that vague answer mean that you believe Biden stole the election from Trump?  

The question of Biden stealing the election depends upon Joe Biden possessing enough influence (and competence) to accomplish the feat.  Joe Biden hasn't shown either.  

The question of Biden stealing the election is an example of how political goalposts are moved.

 
 
 
Dulay
15.4.8  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.7    2 weeks ago

The question of Biden stealing the election is the predicate for this seed. Why try to pretend otherwise? 

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.4.9  author  TᵢG  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.7    2 weeks ago

A perfect example of deflection.

 
 
 
Ender
15.4.10  Ender  replied to  Dulay @15.4.8    2 weeks ago

To not have to face the reality that the emperor has no clothes?

 
 
 
Gordy327
15.4.11  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @15.4.7    2 weeks ago

He question of Biden stealing the election is best answered by evidence, or the lack thereof. So, do you assert Biden stole the election? If so, what is the basis of your allegation?

 
 
 
Dulay
15.5  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago
We are supposed to ignore the Democratic primaries where the Democratic Party changed their own rules during the process. 

My first question is: Who are this 'we' you speak of? 

Secondly, please explain why the DNC rule change is relevant. 

We're supposed to accept that beginning voting in September (supposedly because of the pandemic) resulted in a fair election. 

NONE of the states that have early voting in September CHANGED their laws because of the pandemic. ALL of their early voting laws were on the books BEFORE this year. 

I hope that dispenses with THAT bullshit and sets your mind at ease. 

We're supposed to accept that a candidate who campaigned very little and received little press coverage won more votes than any other candidate in the history of the US. 

Whether you accept it or not, it is a FACT. 

Biden has gotten more press coverage as President-elect than he did as a candidate. 

Point? 

That has been explained as a referendum on Trump,

Where? Link? 

yet we are to ignore that down ballot Republicans who aligned with Trump (some of whom even campaigned on Qanon conspiracy theories) actually did well during the election.

NO ONE ignored that. It's been analyzed all over the media. It's a well known fact that voters will give 'Congress' a terrible rating while giving a thumbs up for THEIR local Representative. That's how this shit works.   

We are supposed to ignore three years of investigation which only resulted in a handful of convictions for lying to the FBI. 

First of all, WTF does THAT have to do with the 2020 election? 

Secondly, there were multiple convictions for crimes other than lying to the FBI AND multiple plea agreements that cited crimes other than lying to the FBI. 

We are supposed to ignore the press twisting everything the Trump administration did into the most cynical, pessimistic, conspiratorial type of reporting. 

Cry me a river. Trump gets what he gives. 

We're supposed to ignore the House Democrats impeaching a President based upon a parody as evidence.  

You are? 

After what has transpired over the last four years, we're to accept that nothing was rigged? 

WTF does any of that have to do with the Nov. 3 election? After over a month of litigation, 50 states and DC certified their electors. THAT is what you are to 'accept'. 

We are expected to believe the intensive and extensive effort to 'get' Trump was about pursuing truth and protecting democracy? 

What you 'believe' is immaterial. Either post some EVIDENCE to back up your whining, or get over it. 

Yes, Donald Trump is a liar and charlatan.  But that isn't an excuse to avoid acknowledging that those opposed to Trump having been lying charlatans, too.

Yet AGAIN, that has NOTHING to do with the FACT that HUNDREDS of people all across the country did their due diligence and their duty and certified the vote counts in their states. Trump LOST. 

 
 
 
Krishna
15.5.1  Krishna  replied to  Dulay @15.5    2 weeks ago
My first question is: Who are this 'we' you speak of?  Secondly, please explain why the DNC rule change is relevant. 

I wonder..is it really a good idea to encourage him...???? jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @15.5    2 weeks ago
"Trump LOST."

THEY REFUSE TO ACCEPT/GET OVER IT!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
15.5.3  Nerm_L  replied to  Dulay @15.5    2 weeks ago
My first question is: Who are this 'we' you speak of? 

The public is the 'we'.  You know, the victims of spurious fact checking.  I realize the political left cares little about the public but the public is the target for left's political propaganda.

Yet AGAIN, that has NOTHING to do with the FACT that HUNDREDS of people all across the country did their due diligence and their duty and certified the vote counts in their states. Trump LOST. 

Democrats have demonstrated repeatedly that political evidence need not be based on facts.  Yes, Trump lost.  But that fact ignores the political evidence that the election was rigged.  

Politics is not about truth.  Politicians are not truth tellers.

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.5.4  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @15.5.3    2 weeks ago

NO, the tRump criminal enterprise administration CARES NOTHING ABOUT THE PUBLIC BUT THE PUBLIC IS THE TARGET FOR THE 'RIGHT'S' POLITICAL PROPAGANDA.

tRump cares for no one or nothing but HIMSELF.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
15.5.5  Gordy327  replied to  Nerm_L @15.5.3    2 weeks ago

Prove that the election was rigged then! Present your evidence! All I see is a lot of allegations, but nothing of substance to support them.

 
 
 
devangelical
15.5.6  devangelical  replied to  Gordy327 @15.5.5    2 weeks ago
Present your evidence!

POS/POTUS supposedly is going to lay it all out at his pending rally in georgia. sounds like the basis for a drinking game in the making. I can hardly wait for SNL and late night TV to humiliate the infinite shit out of the living monument of republican political embarrassment. after trump gets his final electoral rejection, he has 14 days left to throw every potential 2024 candidate under the bus. let the hilarity begin.

 
 
 
Gordy327
15.5.7  Gordy327  replied to  devangelical @15.5.6    2 weeks ago

Yeah, that should be good.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
15.5.8  Ozzwald  replied to  devangelical @15.5.6    2 weeks ago
POS/POTUS supposedly is going to lay it all out at his pending rally in georgia

You have to ask why he didn't "lay it all out" during one of his almost 60 court cases?

 
 
 
Dulay
15.5.9  Dulay  replied to  Nerm_L @15.5.3    2 weeks ago
The public is the 'we'. 

Yet the vast majority of 'we' are not pearl clutching. 

You know, the victims of spurious fact checking. 

No, I don't know about 'fake' fact checking. Link? 

I realize the political left cares little about the public but the public is the target for left's political propaganda.

So 'the political left' isn't part of the public 'we'? Since when? 

Democrats have demonstrated repeatedly that political evidence need not be based on facts. 

Here we go with the argle-garble again. 

Yes, Trump lost.  But that fact ignores the political evidence that the election was rigged.  

So the 'rigging' failed? 

jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

Politics is not about truth.  Politicians are not truth tellers.

Revelatory. /s

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.5.10  author  TᵢG  replied to  Dulay @15.5.9    2 weeks ago

jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif    Good grief.

 
 
 
Dulay
15.5.11  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @15.5.10    2 weeks ago

Yep, there isn't enough mustard on the planet for that pretzel. 

 
 
 
Krishna
15.6  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago

What a load of total horseshit!

[deleted]

C'mon NermL-- give it a rest!!!

 
 
 
SteevieGee
15.7  SteevieGee  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago

Nothing in your tirade would be even remotely considered evidence that you could take to a court.  How do you explain that?  How do you explain that anybody could ever pull off a conspiracy of that magnitude without any leaks and without leaving any evidence behind.  I'm actually surprised that Trump and his crackhead team of highfalutin' lawyers has come up with absolutely nothing.  Maybe, if he really wanted to find fraud, he should have looked for it in the states he won in?

 
 
 
CB
15.8  CB   replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago
Yes, Donald Trump is a liar and charlatan.

No, buts allowed. Donald is a Trumphole. Some conservatives dropped this Trumphole into the thick of the 2016 campaign and the others 'hopped out' or got tossed out of the running. Said republicans aligned with the Trumphole for 'cause.' And four years later, truth and 'the Great American Way' has casted Donald J. Trump down and out.

A solution to what some of you can accept has a moral: Stop pushing authoritarian Trumphole on to the republican campaign ticket. This country wants a true leader who wants to lead in service to the people and not in-service to his or her affectations.

Do Not Run Grotesque Liars and Charlatans to Represent Our Shared Country!

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
15.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  Nerm_L @15    2 weeks ago
We are supposed to ignore the Democratic primaries where the Democratic Party changed their own rules during the process. 

Who cares? That is an internal party process, they set their own rules just like the GOP. Shit I am not even allowed to vote in either primary process. What a fucking dumb thing to bring up. 

We're supposed to accept that beginning voting in September (supposedly because of the pandemic) resulted in a fair election.

Um yes, why would it not? Explain to me how giving people a bigger window to vote somehow translates into that election not being fair. And before you try to say they have more time to commit voter fraud, provide the fucking evidence it happened or shut the fuck up.

We're supposed to accept that a candidate who campaigned very little and received little press coverage won more votes than any other candidate in the history of the US. 

Yes because  THAT many people hate Donald Trump. He has NEVER had majority support and his presidency has been a fucking tire fire. He even lost the popular vote in the election that put him in office to begin with. Oh, and it isn't like no one knew who Joe Biden was. He has been in government since the dawn of time and was the VP for the nation's first black president for 8 goddamn years. It isn't like he just came out of nowhere. 

Biden has gotten more press coverage as President-elect than he did as a candidate. 

So? Trump got more press coverage after he wont the election than before too, what's your point?

That has been explained as a referendum on Trump, yet we are to ignore that down ballot Republicans who aligned with Trump (some of whom even campaigned on Qanon conspiracy theories) actually did well during the election.

Yeah, which makes the whole election fraud conspiracy theory that much more retarded and difficult to explain for you. Now to a rational person the explanation is fairly easy, the house races are held in districts (many of which have been gerrymandered over the years) so it is easy to have a candidate from one party win a house district while that same party loses statewide elections. As for the Senate, well what seats were up for grabs? I bet with a few exceptions the senate seats went to the candidates from the same party as the candidate that was elected president. Not to mention some people probably, as I have in the past, split their ballot. Your statement is rather easily explained, it is only when you start pitching the election fraud shit that you start sounding like a homeless dude rambling on a street corner.

We are supposed to ignore three years of investigation which only resulted in a handful of convictions for lying to the FBI.

What the fuck does that have to do with the election? Or are you suggesting that investigation in some way ties into some sort of mass voter fraud? Please explain.

We are supposed to ignore the press twisting everything the Trump administration did into the most cynical, pessimistic, conspiratorial type of reporting. 

Happens to every president these days, what's your point?

We're supposed to ignore the House Democrats impeaching a President based upon a parody as evidence.  

Yawn, again this has what to do with the election or fraud or something? Running out of steam eh? I am beginning to suspect that you don't even know what point you are trying to make.

After what has transpired over the last four years, we're to accept that nothing was rigged? 

Provide the evidence motherfucker, until you do are you are doing is bitching and whining that your team didn't win. God watching sports with you would fucking suck.

We are expected to believe the intensive and extensive effort to 'get' Trump was about pursuing truth and protecting democracy? 

Of course politics was a part of it, always is, but Trump has no doubt damaged our democracy and I know congress doesn't have the political strength to make the changes to the executive that desperately need to be made, or separate the JoD from the executive branch, or impose term limits on SCOTUS justices, or reform our election process, or get rid of the electoral college. And because our politicians are cowards the damage from Trump will be lasting and my guess is within 20 years someone who isn't a complete fucking moron will come along and finish what he started. 

Yes, Donald Trump is a liar and charlatan. 

Of legendary proportions and his supporters have completely sold out their moral and ethical principles in supporting him. I love how acknowledge that he is a liar and yet you believe him on this bullshit in spit of zero supporting evidence. The evidence is so thin that in an arena where there are actual consequences for being full of shit (court) his attorney's don't even try to repeat his claims. Even the judges HE appointed have thrown out his cases as total bullshit. Even the SCOTUS, where he appointed 1/3 of the members, want nothing to do with this. I will never understand why you would believe this asshole.

But that isn't an excuse to avoid acknowledging that those opposed to Trump having been lying charlatans, too.

No, both sides do not do it in this case. Fuck off with that shit. Trump has taking lying to an entirely different level and has proven beyond any doubt that he is willing to do as much damage as he needs to to our governing norms to perpetuate those lies. 

 
 
 
CB
15.9.1  CB   replied to  Thrawn 31 @15.9    2 weeks ago

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Bob Nelson
16  Bob Nelson    2 weeks ago

Is "conspiracy to overthrow the government" a valid definition of "treason"?

Is "conspiracy to overthrow the results of a Presidential election" the same thing?

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @16    2 weeks ago

Treason definition, according to the United States Constitution:

n. the crime of betraying one's country,definedin Article III, section 3 of the U. S.Constitution: "Treasonagainst the United States shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

Please do take note of the use of the word "only".

Treason is a word be much-bandied about now.

It is taking on all the effectiveness as calling someone a racist or a misogynist--two terms so overused, and used inappropriately, as to be virtually meaningless.

Just a new buzzword to rile up very fine folks.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
16.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @16    2 weeks ago
trea·son
  1. the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.
 
 
 
Texan1211
16.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @16.2    2 weeks ago

Feel free to use that definition if you choose.

I will stick with the U.S. Constitution--especially as seeing how any charges of treason in THIS country must conform to it.

But you may find some prosecutor somewhere who doesn't use the Constitution.

Good luck!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
16.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @16.2.1    2 weeks ago
Feel free to use that definition if you choose.

Do you believe that "war" is only fought with guns?  When he told the Proud Boys to stand by, that sounds like something a commander would tell his troops.  AND the Proud Boys are using it as a rallying cry. 

Are you claiming his rhetoric is NOT causing violence amongst his ultra right wing followers?

With all the violence and threats against state officials (including a planned kidnapping attempt), can you show me any instances of Trump rebuking them for those threats of violence?

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @16.2.2    2 weeks ago

lol.

changing the topic, are you?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
16.2.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @16.2.3    2 weeks ago

changing the topic, are you?

No, but you are desperately trying to.

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @16.2.4    2 weeks ago
No, but you are desperately trying to.

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Bob Nelson
16.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Bob Nelson @16    2 weeks ago

If the definition of treason in the Constitution is too narrow, there are other crimes:

sedition

noun: sedition; plural noun: seditions

conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.


18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @16.3    2 weeks ago

You chose to use the word treason.

Maybe you should have used one of the other words you have now posted.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
16.3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @16.3.1    2 weeks ago

Do you agree that Trump's behavior constitutes "sedition"?

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.3.3  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @16.3.2    2 weeks ago

What I specifically argued was your use of the word treason.

I feel you have presented a very weak case for a charge of treason, based on law.

 
 
 
Texan1211
16.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @16.3.2    2 weeks ago
Do you agree that Trump's behavior constitutes "sedition"?

No. Even if the Georgia results were reversed (no chance of it actually happening), it would still leave Trump well short of the 270 electoral votes necessary to win, and Biden would still have over that 270 so the results of the election--Biden winning--would still be the same

it doesn't meet the legal standards you gave for sedition.

On to the next word.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
17  Bob Nelson    2 weeks ago

In case this hasn't already been posted, the entire tape can be heard here .

It's... stunning...

 
 
 
TᵢG
17.1  author  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @17    2 weeks ago

It is indeed.

 
 
 
Dulay
17.2  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @17    2 weeks ago

That is an hour of my life I will never get back. 

Trump is batshit crazy. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
17.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dulay @17.2    2 weeks ago

Ah... but!

Donald Trump has enriched your existence...

 
 
 
Dulay
17.2.2  Dulay  replied to  Bob Nelson @17.2.1    2 weeks ago

Not by a long shot...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
17.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Bob Nelson @17.2.1    2 weeks ago

I don't know if it enriched me or not, but Trump actually made me care about politics and elections.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
17.2.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @17.2.3    2 weeks ago
made me care about

Yes... in the same way that getting shot makes one care about gun control...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
17.2.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Bob Nelson @17.2.4    2 weeks ago

Say what?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
17.2.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @17.2.5    2 weeks ago

It hurts really, really bad, and you don't want it to happen again!

 
 
 
Tessylo
18  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

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Paula Bartholomew
19  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

I find it ironic that the magats in the picture are saying STOP THE STEAL.  I bet some of them sent money to Trump's fund and he probably put that money into his own pockets, essentially stealing it.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
20  Paula Bartholomew    2 weeks ago

Biden hasn't even taken office yet and he has a higher approval rating than Trump did during the past four years.  

 
 
 
Freewill
20.1  Freewill  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @20    2 weeks ago
Biden hasn't even taken office yet and he has a higher approval rating than Trump did during the past four years.

I've got pocket lint with a higher approval rating than Trump had during the past 4 years.

 
 
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