Investigators Find Gaps in White House Logs of Trump’s Jan. 6 Calls
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Via: sister-mary-agnes-ample-bottom • 2 years ago • 194 commentsBy: Luke Broadwater, Jonathan Martin, Maggie Haberman and Michael S. Schmidt
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has discovered gaps in official White House telephone logs from the day of the riot, finding few records of calls by President Donald J. Trump from critical hours when investigators know that he was making them.
Investigators have not uncovered evidence that any official records were tampered with or deleted, and it is well known that Mr. Trump used his personal cellphone, and those of his aides, routinely to talk with aides, congressional allies and outside confidants.
But the sparse call records are the latest major obstacle to the panel’s central mission: recreating what Mr. Trump was doing behind closed doors during crucial moments of the assault on Congress by a mob of his supporters.
The panel is still awaiting additional material from the National Archives and Records Administration, which keeps the official White House logs, and from telecommunications companies that have been subpoenaed for the personal cellphone records of Mr. Trump’s inner circle, like his son, Eric, and Kimberly Guilfoyle, the fiancée of Mr. Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr.
The call logs obtained by the committee document who was calling the White House switchboard, and any calls that were being made from the White House to others. Mr. Trump had a habit throughout his presidency of circumventing that system, making it far more difficult to discern who he was communicating with.
Two people familiar with the phone records discussed the details about them on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing an ongoing congressional investigation. A spokesman for the committee declined to comment.
Since the Jan. 6, 2021 attack, former Trump administration officials have said that investigators would struggle to piece together a complete record of Trump’s conversations that day, because of his habit of using his and other people’s cellphones. At least one person who tried to reach Mr. Trump on his cellphone on Jan. 6 had their call picked up by one of his aides. It is unclear where Mr. Trump was at the time.
Few details of what Mr. Trump did inside the White House as rioters stormed the Capitol are known. He was watching television as the riot played out on cable news, and several aides including his daughter, Ivanka Trump, implored him to say something to try to tell the rioters to stop.
Nevertheless, his first public communication as the melee unfolded was a Twitter post attacking then-Vice President Mike Pence. Mr. Trump also is known to have tried to reach out to one senator as the certification of the Electoral College vote was delayed. And he fielded a call from Representative Kevin McCarthy, the top House Republican, who told Mr. Trump that people were breaking into his office on Capitol Hill.
Early on in his administration, Mr. Trump was known to use the cellphone belonging to Keith Schiller, his personal bodyguard at Trump Tower and later the director of Oval Office operations, for some of his calls. It meant the White House call logs were often an incomplete reflection of his contacts.
After the Supreme Court ruled against Mr. Trump’s efforts to block the release of hundreds of pages of presidential records, the National Archives turned over to the House panel investigating the riot voluminous documents that included daily presidential diaries, schedules, appointment information showing visitors to the White House, activity logs, call logs, and switchboard shift-change checklists showing calls to Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence on Jan. 6.
The committee has learned in recent weeks that Mr. Trump spoke on the phone with Mr. Pence and Republican lawmakers on the morning of Jan. 6 as he pushed to overturn the election. For instance, Mr. Trump mistakenly called the phone of Senator Mike Lee, Republican of Utah, thinking it was the number of Senator Tommy Tuberville, Republican of Alabama. Mr. Lee then passed the phone to Mr. Tuberville, who said he spoke to the former president for less than 10 minutes as rioters were breaking into the building.
But many of the calls the committee is aware of did not show up in the official logs.
The revelations about incomplete call logs comes as Mr. Trump is under increasing scrutiny for apparently violating the Presidential Records Act by ripping up some White House documents and taking others with him when he left office. The House Oversight committee on Thursday announced an investigation into what it called “potential serious violations” of the law, including that Mr. Trump took 15 boxes of White House documents to his Palm Beach, Fla., compound and attempted to destroy presidential records.
Mr. Trump’s conduct, said Representative Carolyn Maloney, Democrat of New York and chairwoman of the oversight committee, “involves a former president potentially violating a criminal law by intentionally removing records, including communications with a foreign leader, from the White House and reportedly attempting to destroy records by tearing them up.”
The National Archives and Records Administration discovered what it believed was classified information in documents Mr. Trump had taken with him. The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the National Archives had asked the Justice Department to examine Mr. Trump’s handling of White House records.
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The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol has discovered gaps in official White House telephone logs from the day of the riot, finding few records of calls by President Donald J. Trump from critical hours when investigators know that he was making them.
Investigators have not uncovered evidence that any official records were tampered with or deleted, and it is well known that Mr. Trump used his personal cellphone, and those of his aides, routinely to talk with aides, congressional allies and outside confidants.
I'm convinced the DOJ will make some historical examples out of the last administrations criminal acts that will be remembered by those with corrupt tendencies for centuries.
You were probably sure Trump would be in jail now, too.
nah, but I was hoping for more.
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Carol Foyler, who lives in Akron, Ohio, said that, after she accidentally tore open the duvet, a trove of shredded documents came spilling out.
A damn shame that liberals don't tend to be assassins. So many worthwhile targets.
it'll be an inside job.
trump's the ideal representative for the cult of misinformed that don't require any proof.
Oh, that must mean Trump has reverted back to being a Democrat then.
what an ignorant comment.
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???
As long as Merrick remains as the head of the DOJ, I have my doubts. Trump and his kids have committed so many crimes which could keep them behind bars until the big ones send them away for decades, yet the DOJ does NOTHING!
Can you name the crimes?
Where ya been sister? Dev's got to give you the key to the handcuffs.
A loveable scoundrel, he is. Just don't ever let him handcuff you to anything non-portable.
Maybe they are with Hillary’s missing emails .....
but, but, but ...
Yep, learned that from a liberal here ..... figured you’d recognize it.
they do it too / they did it first / they did it worse. blah, blah, blah...
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trumpsters revert to alleged scandals from the past when presented with their own scandals in the present.
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sorry, I realized that concept might be too difficult for some to comprehend when I posted it...
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Name calling?
List of disparaging names used by your feckless leader.
Trump's a pussy.
Name calling?
Seems that that's become an increasingly popular style of derail from those who want to get away from the true facts (as opposed to the Alternative Facts). ...its become a meme now referred to as a "Whattaboudism":
Kellyanne Conway: Press Secretary Sean Spicer Gave 'Alternative Facts'
would that be like liberals seeding hit pieces and chirping endlessly about "criminal acts" even after an extensive 4 year investigation?
Oh. Brother.
Can you spare a dime?
Maybe they are with Hillary’s missing emails .
Oh. Brother.
Hillary's "missing emails"?
Can't help but wonder-- do some people actually believe that Hillary won the 2016 election (and maybe that... that Election was "STOLEN BY TRUMP"...)...and that Hillary was the actually winner?
And.. perhaps they actually believe that what this nation desperately needs is a recount of the 2016 ballots?
("Rigged voting machines" anyone???)
I sick to death about the email bs. What about stolen and destroyed WH records by Trump or is a certain poster going to let Trump slide on it merely because he is Trump.
Yes, I believe that is an insightful observation. Or, look in Trump's private toilet.
The man who would be king....
Just more of how he has obfuscated ... err ...operated for years.
Thank, Thomas. I did that once, but thank God, she withdrew the charges.
Too funny!
Either the committee is grasping at straws for lack of any concrete evidence or Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for, or both.
No need for him to help them with this political witch hunt
You are hopeless.
Why thank you John. When it comes to politics, that means so much coming from you..../sarc
No way you typed that with a straight face.
You'll never know...
Trump might possibly just be a bit smarter than the committee and liberal left in general is giving him credit for, or both.
AHA!!!
In fact perhaps Trump is actually "A Very Stabile Genius" ...and has been fooling us all along!
/sarc
Now I have to admit that's funny! My only problem was I forgot to put the sarc tag on mine and some people took me seriously.
Are you claiming that Trump is a criminal mastermind? Does he have previous experience hiding his criminal actions?
Or, Trump is the most corrupt POTUS in the history of our country and the DOJ wants to nail "Dirty Diaper Donnie" to the Sticking Post for good.
Trump is many things: A Liar, Crook, MYC Mob Associates, Rapist, Racist, Putin Pal, Epstein Pal, North Korea President Pen Pal, Three Times Married Christian Saint, Tax Cheat, holds the record for the largest numbers of Lawsuits brought against him, primarily for non-payment for services rendered, and the Winner of the Most Incompetent POSTUS that Putin has ever installed.
Ex-navy: What is your opinion about the swarm of UAPs flying over naval carriers and recorded by naval pilots?
Are they surveillance planes tracking "Dirty Diaper Donnie's" criminal, illegal diaper dumps?
That's retired former Navy not ex-Navy. There is a big difference. You should educate yourself on that.
I would be shocked if they found NO gaps in his call logs
Same here actually.
I would be shocked if they found NO gaps in his call logs
Many would agree with you:
While President Trump was in office, staff in the Whitehouse residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet in the Whitehouse residence.. Staff believed that the President had been flushing documents.
The biggest gap is the vast empty space between Trump's ears.
He's outsmarted your team every step of the way.
That's why he got re-elected, right?
Nothin' but net!!
Whoosh!
And his brain dead traitorous [followers,deleted]
The Jan 6 committee will PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that Donald Trump acted immorally and unethically, and probably illegally, on Jan 6 and the surrounding period. This has been clear for some time. The question is, what will the American people demand be done about it.
www.wsj.com /articles/january-6-committee-electoral-votes-college-mike-pence-certify-2020-presidential-election-trump-liz-cheney-riot-protest-insurrection-11644510638
Opinion | The Jan. 6 Committee Won’t Be Intimidated
Liz Cheney 6-7 minutes
I keep on my desk a copy of the oath my great-great-grandfather signed when he re-enlisted in the Union Army in 1863. Like the oath given by all those who serve in government and every member of our armed forces, Samuel Fletcher Cheney swore to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic.” Generations of Americans have sworn that same oath and given their lives to defend the Constitution and our nation.
Last week, former Vice President Mike Pence spoke about the events of Jan. 6, 2021. President Trump was “wrong,” he said, to insist that Mr. Pence or any vice president could “overturn” the election by refusing to count certified slates of electoral votes. That notion was, as Mr. Pence said, “un-American.” What Mr. Trump had insisted that Mr. Pence do on Jan. 6 was not only un-American, it was unconstitutional and illegal.
Article II and the 12th Amendment govern how the nation selects the president. Congress doesn’t select the president; the states do. Every state in the union now selects a presidential candidate through a popular vote. And every state identifies the manner in which disputes regarding the election are addressed under state law. Those laws set forth a process for challenging an election when concerns arise, including potential recounts or audits and an opportunity to litigate disputed issues in court. When courts have resolved any election challenges, and the election result has been certified by the governor of a state, the election is over. That is the rule of law.
The 12th Amendment also leaves little doubt that Congress must count the certified electoral votes it receives from the states: “The president of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes for president, shall be the president.” This provision doesn’t say, for example, Congress must count certified electoral votes unless it has concerns about fraud allegations, or unless it disagrees with the outcome of state or federal court litigation. And the vice president, as president of the Senate presiding over the count, can’t simply refuse to count a state’s certified slate of electoral votes—either under the Constitution or under the Electoral Count Act of 1887.
Republicans used to advocate fidelity to the rule of law and the plain text of the Constitution. In 2020, Mr. Trump convinced many to abandon those principles. He falsely claimed that the election was stolen from him because of widespread fraud. While some degree of fraud occurs in every election, there was no evidence of fraud on a scale that could have changed this one. As the Select Committee will demonstrate in hearings later this year, no foreign power corrupted America’s voting machines, and no massive secret fraud changed the election outcome.
Almost all members of Congress know this—although many lack the courage to say it out loud. Mr. Trump knew it too, from his own campaign officials, from his own appointees at the Justice Department, and from the dozens of lawsuits he lost. Yet, Mr. Trump ignored the rulings of the courts and launched a massive campaign to mislead the public. Our hearings will show that these falsehoods provoked the violence on Jan. 6. Mr. Trump’s lawyers have begun to pay the price for spreading these lies. For example Rudy Giuliani’s license to practice law has been suspended because he “communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements to courts, lawmakers and the public at large in his capacity as lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump, ” in the words of a New York appellate court.
The Jan. 6 investigation isn’t only about the inexcusable violence of that day: It is also about fidelity to the Constitution and the rule of law, and whether elected representatives believe in those things or not. One member of the House Freedom Caucus warned the White House in the days before Jan. 6 that the president’s plans would drive “a stake in the heart of the federal republic.” That was exactly right.
Those who do not wish the truth of Jan. 6 to come out have predictably resorted to attacking the process—claiming it is tainted and political. Our hearings will show this charge to be wrong. We are focused on facts, not rhetoric, and we will present those facts without exaggeration, no matter what criticism we face. My friend the late Charles Krauthammer once said: “The lesson of our history is that the task of merely maintaining strong and sturdy the structures of a constitutional order is unending, the continuing and ceaseless work of every generation.” Every generation of Americans has fulfilled its duty to support and defend the Constitution. That responsibility now falls to us.
Ms. Cheney, a Wyoming Republican, is a U.S. representative and vice chair of the House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack.
www.cnn.com /2022/02/10/politics/capitol-insurrection-donald-trump-republicans-congress/index.html
Analysis: New revelations betray depth of Trump's post-election schemes
Analysis by Stephen Collinson, CNN 8-10 minutes 2/9/2022
(CNN) A stunning daily stream of revelations is shedding new light on the depraved effort by Donald Trump , his aides and extremist Republicans to cover up the former President's constitutional arson and desperate bid to steal power after the 2020 election.
It is extraordinary that more than 13 months after the US Capitol insurrection, the depth of Trump's lawlessness and abuses of power is still coming into view. It will be for the House committee probing the attack to paint the complete picture and to weigh in on whether they think there was a criminal conspiracy and the extent to which Trump knew about it and directed it.
But new evidence and reporting already strongly suggests Trump's team presided over multiple schemes to discredit the election ; sought to steal President Joe Biden's win in the states with rogue lawyers ; encouraged fake electors; and sought to block its certification in Congress.
Wednesday's revelations alone underscored the vast scope of the committee's investigation, the troubling breadth of the subversion effort and what increasingly looks like a Trump world cover-up.
New details defy Trump's cover-up effort
Wednesday's torrent of disclosures only hints at the size of the election-stealing effort operated out of the Trump White House and of the House committee's investigation of events that culminated in one of the darkest days in US political history.
If there is any comfort for those who believe in American democracy, it is that all of the schemes failed -- often due to the courage of local and state officials, many of them Republicans. But it became ever more clear Wednesday that an ex-President and a corps of fellow believers were willing to attempt to defy the will of voters with authoritarian measures.
That reality underscores the grave danger facing future elections in the US. Trump is seeking to insert like-minded activists and candidates in key positions overseeing elections in what looks like an attempt to destroy safeguards that prevented him from stealing the last election. It is also alarming that while US foes like Russia and China are escalating efforts to discredit democracy in the US and worldwide, their goals are shared by Americans working to destroy it from the inside.
The latest details about the insurrection emerged despite incessant efforts by Trump and those around him to obstruct the January 6 investigation. The President waged a failed campaign right up to the Supreme Court to stop West Wing documents making it to the House committee. Some of his aides have made spurious claims of executive privilege to frustrate the panel, which said Wednesday it had nevertheless conducted 500 interviews. Republicans in the House had tried to stop the investigation even starting and are sure to close it down if they win the majority in November's midterm elections.
Committee's progress prompts extreme reactions
The closer the committee appears to discovering the truth, the more unhinged is the reaction from the Trump camp.
Over weekend, in a resolution censuring two Republicans serving on the January 6 panel, the Republican National Committee described the insurrection as "legitimate political discourse." That was followed on Wednesday by Navarro unleashing an unmoored outburst after he was subpoenaed by the panel to explain alleged efforts to delay the certification of 2020 election results. He accused the committee, which is investigating an unprecedented insurrection designed to overturn a US election, of being "domestic terrorists."
The request by the National Archives to the Justice Department to look into Trump's handling of White House records escalates controversy over one of the more recent streams of investigation pursued by the committee.
A source told CNN that the Archives wants a review of whether Trump violated the Presidential Records Act, which requires all paper and other documents to be turned over the National Archives at the end of an administration, and other possible violations, including the handling of classified information. CNN has reported the former President routinely ripped up documents and took some with him to Mar-a-Lago after leaving office. The National Archives retrieved 15 boxes from the Florida resort just last month. And a person familiar with the matter previously told CNN that Archives general counsel Gary Stern had contacted Trump's team last fall to ask about records apparently taken there.
It was not clear on Wednesday whether the Justice Department would launch an investigation. Even if it did, it seems a long shot that the ex-President could face formal consequences since the Presidential Records Act contains no enforcement mechanism. The request by the Archives, first reported by The Washington Post , follows days of reports about Trump's habit of ripping up documents. Sources have said that archivists have been forced to try to tape ripped papers back together before turning them over to the House select committee. The question now is whether Trump will face another legal front -- on top of a criminal probe in Georgia into his attempt to steal votes and investigations in New York into his firm's accounting.
All through his personal, business and personal life, Trump has shown an incredible capacity to escape consequences of his actions -- often because his transgressions are so vast and unprecedented they defy any previous expectations of how presidents behave.
On the question of the torn and missing documents, Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, suggested that Trump may again escape legal jeopardy.
"It is clearly unlawful," he said on CNN's "Newsroom" on Wednesday. "The question of whether it is a crime is a little more complicated. If the intent was, for example, to obstruct justice, to hide wrongdoing, and or other unlawful activity, that would be a crime. Otherwise, it is very wrong, unlawful, but there is no enforcement mechanism and no obvious criminal penalty there."
The presidency as personal entitlement
The fact that the President appears to have openly flouted laws on record keeping was the latest example of his contempt for the traditions and laws that have long defined the office he held for four wild and damaging years.
Every presidents' records are kept, providing historians with intimately detailed primary sources that can be used to reconstruct presidencies decades later.
But Trump always appeared to view the presidency as a personal entitlement with which he could do what he liked rather than a sacred trust meant to advance and defend the national interest. That he appears to be attempting to regain the presidency in 2024 -- even with all this fresh evidence of his misconduct emerging -- only underscores that the coming years could be even more dangerous to US democratic governance and respect for presidential guardrails than the previous five.
Evan Perez, Ryan Nobles, Zachary Cohen, Annie Grayer and Marshall Cohen contributed to this story.
Which makes one wonder why the Democrats think obsessviely focusing on this will matter to anyone. Trump Trump Trump isn't helping people struggling with inflation, or who wonder why their streets are crime ridden.
Streets aren't crime-ridden any more than they have been at other periods in our history. The idea that the Biden administration is to blame for something like that is absurd. Conservatives and Republicans just want to take the heat off all of Trumps misdeeds
The crime stats tell a different story John, much different.
Crime in the United States - Wikipedia
Sounds like you're wrong to me
So is trusting Wikipedia as a reliable source.
Let’s try to keep current, at least within a decade.
So, it’s not far below pre 2020. Not even close
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Actually, crimes against Asians have risen more than any other period thanks to Trump.
Just yet one more thing progressives manage to blame all on Trump.
Well, one more thing they blame on Trump without evidence, of course.
So you are denying that Trump actually called Covid "The China Virus"? And then started referring to it as "The Kung Flu".
And since then the number of violent hate crimes against Asian-Americans suddenly spiked..
"Coincidence"...
???
Are you denying that ice cream sales go up in the summer and so murders?
You and the other members of the Trump is too blame for everything cult should look up the difference between correlation and causation.
Didn't know there were so many blacks that were Trump supporters.
And while many of the MAGA-cultists are in denial, Asian Americans are quite aware of that-- and they are quite aware of why.
I have Chinese-American friends-- many say that for the first time in their lives they are afraid to go out in areas that were once quite safe.
Violent attacks against Asian-Americans have suddenly spiked-- and stayed up--- as soon as Trump used the words "China Virus" and "Kung Flu".
I am well aware of the relationship between correlation and correlation. In fact I use these sorts of statistics in my work every day!
And Yes I know that correlation doesn't always imply correlation.
But if you were aware of how that operates you would know that while it doesn't always imply causation-- its also false and misleading to claim that when two variable are correlated there's never causation.
Because sometimes there is causation, and sometimes there isn't.
In this case there is.
And while we're trying to derail the conversation-- what about the Jews with their space lazers-- up against the evil Nazi Gazpacho?
/sarc
And don't forget the bigoted anti-Semitic comedy team of Omar & Tlaib.
/sarc
How was my post a deflection?
YOU said Trump was a direct reason why there is an uptick to Asians in this country, basing it on him using the terms Wuhan flu, or China flu or whatever it is you posted.
I directly responded by asking if there are that many blacks that are Trump supporters, BECAUSE, pretty much every video of an Asian getting attacked is by a black
Get it now?
No need for a sarcasm tag on that.
This team is absolutely real.
Another one.
Trump's fault, I'm sure.
Gun sales have skyrocketed since the violence began against Asians.
I know.
Yup, thanks to whatshisname himself calling it the China virus and the Kung flu along with many of his supporters/enablers.
This attempted coup and Trump total lack of competence created every issue this nation and this administration faces today.
Tyranny is not a NOBLE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
Again with the obstruction of justice by Trump...
Trump and all of his collaborators will be punished to the full extent of the law. It took years, decades to bring down the MOB. Trump is a mobster without pants.
Why did it take a whole year to determine that Trump stole the White House records? Anyone who doubts that he will have destroyed whatever could incriminate him has to be the biggest fool in the world deserving to be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records.
And it looks like he didn't destroy records like some thought he might. It's been referred to the DOJ as they found some of the documents in those boxes were classified documents that should never have left the WH in the first place.
As for the "holes" in the call logs, I don't worry too much over that. Every president since the invention of cell phones has had their personal cell phone as well as the official cell phone. They promise to not perform official duties on their personal devices, but does anybody really believe that the politicians holding any high office is truly honest, forth-coming and transparent?
Oh FFS - he should have never taken all those documents out of the White House in the first place - what the fuck were they doing at Mar-A-Lardo??????????
Maybe Trump seeked advice from Hillary. After all, she is a pro at "finding" lost papers, ie Whitewater
Whitewater did not occur IN the White House.
and Hillary was never the President.
Since he never once said it did or that she was President, what are you arguing exactly here?
Sought.
Who cares?
Nothing more than a failed attempt at a hoped for "gotcha" moment.
English speaking people.
If you have to defend it that lamely, it didn't fail.
It's a simple fact that the President, ANY POTUS from ANY party
is legally held to a higher standard while they occupy the White House by the PRA of 1978,
including all papers, phone logs, phones, or other communications devices.
Laws the former President Trump appears to have ignored daily and bigly.
What on earth will they put in his Presidential library?
Chances are nothing.
Hillary, never elected POTUS, is not and will never be held to the same standard as a sitting President.
Whitewater was just a typical American political witch hunt to discredit both Clintons from
real estate investments in the 1970s but neither were ever charged.
The Clinton's lost $46,000 in the investment prior to Bill's election as Governor in 1978.
That means that the suggested requirement for retaining records for tax purposes would have expired
some time around 1985 or 1986.
In other words four or five years prior to Bill Clinton's first election as POTUS they had no legal reason to keep
those records.
But, but Hillary's emails...
Lol...
Raising suspicions that Whitewater documents were deliberately withheld from investigators, a personal aide to First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton testified Thursday that she found the missing papers when they suddenly appeared in a room accessible only to the Clinton family, their guests and personal and custodial staff.
The aide, Carolyn Huber, said that she found the papers five months ago lying on a table in the “book room” of the White House living quarters--an area where access is closely guarded by uniformed Secret Service personnel. It is off-limits to the general White House staff.
and Hillary was never the President.
You do know she lived in the White House?
The original investigation was called Grande Castle and focused on the McDougal's bank failure which cost
the taxpayers $73 million when Madison Guaranty failed in the late 80's.
The records the Clintons kept and forgot about could have been shredded legally in the late 80's.
There was no legal reason to keep them.
In the end they had no consequences to the Clintons. Right?
It's a simple question Sean
When was Hillary Clinton obligated to save documents per the PRA of 1978?
You should care, but c'est la vie.
Brilliant reply, but do not expect comprehension by some. What astounds me is these same people who were up in arms about Hillary's emails don't think there's a thing wrong with Trump's irresponsibility with WH documents. What they considered illegalities by the democrats just ain't no thang with Trump.
Your little picture explains Biden in a most brilliant way.
Thanks for providing it!
Does it astound you that the same people who gave Hillary a pass are up in arms now over Trump?
It explains Trump even better...
You mean meme? Or my little picture avatar that says 'get out and vote' which helps to explain why Biden walked away with 306 electoral votes and over 7 million more popular votes than Trumplethinskin?
Interaction with you always makes me smile. It always reminds me of my favorite M*A*S*H episode:
Hawkeye: Frank, stop acting like a sniveling idiot!
Maj. Frank Burns: I'm not acting!
PS: You're not Hawkeye.
Hillary passed muster. Despite the republicans having both houses. Four years in the WH and Trump did shit about it. What happened to lock her up? What happened to special prosecutor? There was nothing to prosecute. If you say there was something to prosecute, then you're admitting you backed and continue to back the most inept, incompetent, amateurish administration ever. They had the shit to put Hillary away, and they blew it. Right? Isn't that what it infers? Now we just wait to see if the grifter in chief passes muster.
I proud of your resolve. You will go down with the shit. I know you know, and we all know you know, that Trump is a liar, a cheater, a grifter, an opportunist, a manipulator (he doesn't even try to set straight those idiots waiting in Dealey Plaza for JFK to show up and run with their feckless leader), but it's worth selling your soul to 'own the libbies.' Good for you, Tex.
A set of golf clubs and an honourary degree from Trump University. And hopefully, his parole papers.
You do.
At least enough to bother to comment!
(Ha! I bet that wasn't the answer that you Soughted!
)
Good point!
Everyone nose that everywon who livs in the Whyte Huse is president.
(Although many people are saying that Hillary, while not a president, did indeed set a precedent).
Yup-- hears a lizt of a fyu uv thos who livd in the Whyte house at won Thyme or anuther:
(Actually Dixie surprized me).
English is so much fun. Now if the past tense of seek is sought, why isn't the past tense of peek pought or reek rought?
Thankfully!
You just described the majority of elected officials of both parties in DC. Contrary to popular opinion, it is not exclusive to just Trump!
But not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!
Sure she did. Pretend she never did a thing wrong all you wish, I know the truth.
"Owning libbies" must be something disgruntled and defeated-in-debates some progressive liberals say when they keep having their asses handed to them.
What he did violated federal law but I doubt Merrick will do anything about it. Biden needs to replace that chump.
For eight years no less!
and the Presidential Records Act of 1978 applied to her husband Bill,
first and foremost for those 8 years, there's no argument there.
Hillary's receipts and tax returns from 1979, not at all an issue.
or many hypocritical partisan regressive conservatives.
But not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!
So why didn't she get prosecuted? Was the Chump administration too stupid to do anything about it? If you know it to be true, why don't you call the FBI and share what you know to be true.
Defeated-in-debates is ridiculous. There is nothing to debate. Sit back and be schooled at to where "owning libbies" came from.
Cite
Cite
Cite
So, Tex, you're wrong. Again. It's a term coined by conservatives as their way of saying the end justifies the means. It means you are willing to overlook the thievery, the traitorous behavior and the grifting from the POS you called President for four years. Would you please take the time to research before formulating what you believe is a "gotcha" moment and think before posting. You appear uninformed, ill-prepared, short-sighted and unprincipled when you don't think before committing to commentary that is there for all to see.
Did I mention you were wrong? Again?
Yes, definitely as well as it explains some partisan regressive conservatives.
Deflect Deflect Deflect.
I know what it Whitewater was. Obviously, better than you since you didn't think it involved the White House.
There was no legal reason to keep them.
So what? They still magically appeared in the White House two years after they'd been subpoenaed, and after the White House claimed they didn't have them.
t's a simple question Sean
It is. Do you know she lived in the White House, or not?
Probably for the same reasons Trump wasn't indicted after the Great Mueller Report which we were told would really, really get him.
Prattling on doesn't hold any interest to me.
The only people I hear droning on about "owning libs" are whiny progressive liberals, usually right after losing debates. That is my experience, and you are free to describe YOUR own experiences if you wish, but you don't get to tell me what mine are.
But STILL not as well as it explains some hypocritical partisan progressive liberals!
So you're either saying they were both guilty and got away with it or they were both innocent. Which is it?
Sorry, thanks for wasting my time.
If I want to ague like a 6 year old, I'll call my grand daughter, at least she has a sense of humor.
Interesting that is what you "think" you read in my post.
Very interesting.
What else do you imagine I have stated that I haven't?
What else do you wish to debate after putting words in my mouth?
Thank you for your time and comments.
Suit yourself.
But Tex. You DON'T debate. I'm thoroughly convinced you don't know what the term 'debate' means. What you call debate is you merely dissolving into grade school tirades, weak and watered down insults, and your infantile insistence at having the last word. You speak in circles without making a counter-point simply because you're not equipped. But keep talkin', Tex. Amuse me.
Then you don't understand the word properly.
Further proof of Reagan being right.
And with that, you may take the final words.
How can it be a debate if you don't explain what appears as the obvious inference by that sentence and you claim I'm putting words in your mouth?
Hillary did not get prosecuted. You say you know there was wrongdoing. So the implication is she got away with it. You then said she wasn't indicted "Probably for the same reasons Trump wasn't indicted after the Great Mueller Report which we were told would really, really get him." The meaning of that is obvious (you don't have to say it, which is your 'out'). Either Trump was guilty and got away with it too, or they're both innocent of all wrongdoings.
I don't need to put words in your mouth, Tex. You made a telling statement and won't admit it, and you'll try to save face by saying something totally absurd and sophomoric like "What else do you wish to debate after putting words in my mouth?" That's not debating, Tex. Not even close. You claim to make a point and when someone asks you explain what exactly it means, you dissolve into obvious attempts to retreat thus avoiding having to clarify what you meant.
And with that, you may take the final words.
How many do I get?
Lmao TY, my wife was an English major, we tidbits like that!
A better question is why was our Vice President Elect in the DNC building on Jan 6th, the same place a supposed pipe bomb was located and no one has mentioned it. Why wasn't the pipe bomb found by the typical sweep of the premises by the secret service since it was exactly hidden. Why hasn't the FBI located this supposed bomber when they had the bombs, they have video footage, they can see him or her on their cell phone at a location. But they can trace the cell phones of the people inside the capital and run and arrest them.
If 'no one has mentioned it' how the fuck do YOU know about it?
BTFW goose, if you think that is a 'better question', rather than trying to derail this seed, post your own.
Be part of the solution, stop whining.
An even better question: Did you know that no plane ever hit The Pentagon on 9/11?
That the Moon landing was faked?
That Sandy Hook was a hoax-- no one actually died?
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Kamala Harris was at DNC on Jan. 6 when pipe bomb was found outside (nbcnews.com)
Ha Ha Ha, I guess I am a fucking genius because I can put, "Kamala Harris at DNC on Jan 6th" in a search !
Kamala Harris was at DNC on Jan. 6 when pipe bomb was found outside (nbcnews.com)
I heard about them finding a pipe bomb about 3 weeks after the insurrection. I guess it was mentioned after all.
WTF am I going to do, I don't have access to the cell phone tower traffic, or all of the security cameras this person showed up on, or the pipe bombs that he planted to check for DNA or trace the parts. Hey, I guess Kamala the first black, female, Vice President is only worth $100k. Just find it funny that they can track down some old Grandma out of 10,000 people who did nothing more than walk into a building but can't find this clown (or maybe they don't want to).
Well you have proven that you are good at complaining, so call the FBI and give them a piece of your mind.
along with a microscope...
Wow goose, it's seriously sad that you don't seem to realize that posting a LINK to a major media story about a topic PROVES that someone DID 'mention it'.
You mean you're seriously sad that there was a link.
Reading is fundamental goose.
I said, 'it's sad', NOT I'm sad.
BTW goose, it's also sad that you need to truncate my comment in a sad attempt at snark.
Stole... or flushed?
While President Trump was in office, staff in the Whitehouse residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper clogging a toilet in the Whitehouse residence.. Staff believed that the President had been flushing documents.
Oh, this is hilarious!
I have smart, funny friends on Facebook.
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Nope.
I started reading comments on fb (also Twitter) lately.
A lot of it the same incredibly stupid garbage that's present on most Social media sites.
But there some people on both those sites that are brilliant.
And really nice people.
I've found a lot of good people on NV and NT myself. In fact my first friend on NV was (and still is) not only brilliant, but extremely witty.
What a ding-dong! Then the fool tried to cover his ass in advance by initiating a discussion on the lack of single-flush satisfaction from toilets across the US.
The President claimed Americans are flushing their toilets “10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once” and argued that they are having difficulty with washing their hands in what appeared to be a tangent about low-flow sinks and toilets. source
At least the recent revelations explain that ridiculous line of thought.
It would appear that he did both.
Trump has committed crimes every day he was in office and because his Republican administration had the backbone of mush, the voluminous violations are coming out every day.
Conservative Republican Criminals have been hiding their deeds for decades, in time they will we dealt JUSTICE. This is not an hour-long TV show.
Trump, his father, Frederich, and his grandfather are all criminals.
What was the phrase used? Oh that's right "At this point, what difference does it make?"
When your country was attacked it matters for the rest of this country's existence.
Trump will never be prosecuted for any alleged crimes.
Charles Manson thought he was clever, too.
Exactly how much evidence did you think Trump's justice department was going to find against him?
At least as much as Obama's Justice Dept. found on Hillary!
Let me guess, this is where you make the claim of obstruction and go crying into the night isn't it.
I'll break this to you as gently as I can: Hillary Clinton was never President of the United States.
Thank God for that.
Okay, I'll bite once. What have you actually read that leads you in any way to think you are breaking this "news" to me?
Many people are blissfully aware of and ecstatic about Hillary never grabbing the brass ring despite it being her turn.
Helpful hint--if you want to "break" things to me, please in the future make it worth reading and actually BE "breaking".
Obstruction? I don't see any obstruction going on. I'll admit to being somewhat cranky about the timetable, but patience is not my middle name. And the only person I've seen 'crying into the night' (and then some) regarding Trump and his troubles, is you.
Hankie?
What do you call that thing when people are unable to spot in-your-face tomfoolery? Relax, Heloise.
I don't call "it" anything, but I usually call the people perpetrating things like this progressive liberals.
Because in my experience, it looks to be a thing for them to do.
Crying? Nope. Not in the least. Laughing at you all? Oh hell yes. You all fear him so much that you keep tabs on every little thing he does. It's hilarious. Why do you fear him so much?
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"Exactly how much evidence did you think Trump's justice department was going to find against him?"
Barr was his consigliere after all. People scoff but his Mueller summary was his resume.
Are you aware of the simple fact that Barr was already AG BEFORE he released his summary--which was perfectly fine for him to do, btw?
Claiming that is his resume is ridiculous and childishly wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Wishful thinking. Inch by inch, day by day the noose is tightening around the neck of the vilest man in our nation's history.
Remember Richard Nixon? Yes, he was a Dick.
Nixon was forced to resign because in the 1970s Republican Senators believed in the Constitution.
Back then the majority of Republican Senators also believed
Nixon's crime was NOT the Watergate break-in. Nixon's crime was the COVER-UP. It's illegal to cover-up a crime.
The turning point in the case was when SCOTUS ruled that Congress could have Nixon's White House tapes.
There was a (gasp!) 18 1/2 minute gap on one of the tapes. The erasure proved there was a cover-up.
The funny thing is the tapes proved Nixon's involvement despite the gap.
Now we have a former president who has destroyed documents, circumvented the PDA and hauled documents (including secret information) to his gilded hideout. Those actions are considerably more significant than anything Nixon ever did.
The were some Republicans (a minority) who worshipped Nixon and embraced his methods. One of them even had Nixon's likeness tattooed on his back. That loyal member of Nixon's team was Roger Stone (who is now being investigated by the Jan 6th Committee). Stone was a young "dirty Ticks" facilitator for Nixon. Stone was also participating in Trump's conspiracy on Jan 6th. Stone was in the Willard Hotel with his Oathkeeper guards.
I can't imagine the dirt Stone has on whatshisname. Stone and his wife used to, and probably still do, go to sex clubs and were involved in all kinds of kinky freaky shit.
Amen, Al Jizzerror, one of the best writers on theNewsTalkers.com!