Florida bans 54 of its school math textbooks for 'trying to indoctrinate students': Half of the prohibited titles feature Critical Race Theory
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The Florida Department of Education rejected 54 math textbooks from its curriculum on Friday, saying the books were an attempt to 'indoctrinate' students - with more than half of them banned for referencing Critical Race Theory (CRT).
The agency tossed out 41 percent of the 132 math textbooks submitted for next year's curriculum because they were not 'aligned with Florida standards or included prohibited topics and unsolicited strategies,' the DOE said in a statement on Friday.
'Reasons for rejecting textbooks included references to Critical Race Theory (CRT), inclusions of Common Core, and the unsolicited addition of Social Emotional Learning (SEL) in mathematics,' the department added, noting that all three learning practices are banned in the state.
'The highest number of books rejected were for grade levels K-5, where an alarming 71 percent were not appropriately aligned with Florida standards or included prohibited topics and unsolicited strategies.'
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis had banned CRT as a component in Florida schools, claiming it promotes hatred among students and makes individuals feel guilty for racism of the past.
'It seems that some publishers attempted to slap a coat of paint on an old house built on the foundation of Common Core, and indoctrinating concepts like race essentialism, especially, bizarrely, for elementary school students,' he said of the rejected books.
'I'm grateful that Commissioner [of Education Richard] Corcoran and his team at the Department have conducted such a thorough vetting of these textbooks to ensure they comply with the law.'
Florida Commissioner of Education Richard Corcoran said the other 24 banned books were thrown out for including Common Core and SEL practices, which were banned in the state in 2019, and failing to align to the department's standards of education.
'We're going to ensure that Florida has the highest-quality instructional materials aligned to our nationally-recognized standards,' said Corcoran. 'Florida has become a national leader in education under the vision and leadership of Governor DeSantis.
'When it comes to education, other states continue to follow Florida's lead as we continue to reinforce parents' rights by focusing on providing their children with a world-class education without the fear of indoctrination or exposure to dangerous and divisive concepts in our classrooms,' Corcoran said.
Corcoran said he had warned publishers to make sure the books kept up with the state's laws when he invited them to submit the textbooks last year.
The DOE added, 'It is unfortunate that several publishers, especially at the elementary school grade levels, have ignored this clear communication and have attempted to slip rebranded instructional materials based on Common Core Standards into Florida's classrooms, while others have included prohibited and divisive concepts such as the tenants of CRT or other unsolicited strategies of indoctrination – despite FDOE's prior notification.'
The rejected publishers will be able to appeal the state's decision and are granted the right to alter the submitted textbooks as long as it meets that state's specifications.
It's the latest blow against 'wokeness' in the state after the legislature approved DeSantis' bill last month barring schools and private businesses from making students or employees feel 'guilt' or 'any form of psychological stress' because of their national origin, sex or race.
Specifically, the bill would outlaw teachings that assert certain individuals are 'inherently racist [or] sexist] - or 'morally superior' - or that characterize individuals' status as 'privileged' or 'oppressed' based on their race, sex or national origin.'
Florida Sen. Manny Diaz, Jr., who pushed the bill through the senate, said the bill was not meant to cover up America's history with racism, but to not blame students for past wrongs.
'It's not about the feel. We can't control how a person feels about a topic,' Diaz told the Washington Post. 'But what we can control is to have a teacher not go to a student … and impose on a male student that they are sexist simply because they are a considered a male.'
In March, the state also passed the Parental Rights in Education bill, which bans teaching gender ideology for children at elementary schools.
It will become law from July 1, and teachers who breach its regulations can be sued by parents.
Critics, however, say it teaches young kids to believe they are wrong for being different and that forcing schools to report students who are receiving mental health services is taking away a safe space for those students to be themselves.
Even the White House weighed in on what has become the latest culture wars clash, with press secretary Jen Psaki claiming last week it was 'hateful' and 'misinformed'.
Florida has banned 54 of the 132 math textbooks submitted to the state, a total of 41 percent.
Of the rejected books:
- Twenty-eight, or 21 percent, are not included on the adopted list because they incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT
- Twelve are not included on the adopted list because they do not properly align to B.E.S.T. Standards
- Fourteen are not included on the adopted list because they do not properly align to B.E.S.T. Standards and incorporate prohibited topics or unsolicited strategies, including CRT
In Grades K-5, 71 percent of materials were rejected.
Grades 6-8 saw 20 percent of materials rejected, and in grades 9-12, 35 percent of materials were rejected.
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Why is it, I wonder, that MATH books submitted for public schools, contain "Critical Race Theory?" Is 1 + 1 = 2 somehow dependent upon your skin color?
It may not have anything to do with CRT.
That sounds a lot like banning speech to me Jack.
Talk to me when they ban Algebra and I’ll be right by your side defending it. Math nerds unite!!
That sounds a lot like banning speech to me Jack.
How does text book selection work in your state, Steevie?
Seriously?
There are no French lessons in the math textbooks. Does that mean they're banning French?
In today's environment, math class is one of the few places a student can go and not have to talk about everybody's feelings or whatever political foolishness is on the news that day. It's a safe haven from nonsense, and people need to take their social/emotional bullshit somewhere else.
How 'bout showing/giving us some examples of how it's banning speech Steevie.
Cue the "silent" feature most libs have when they are confronted with a challenge they know they won't be able to meet.
Chirp chirp chirp. Them crickets sure are deafening!
What the "h" do you mean by "social/emotional bullshit,' Jack? It's conservatives feelings of loss, regret, and shame that some conservatives are looking to cover-up with combat and future ignorance (AKA: the dumbing down of red-states populace). Should this dumbing-down be successful, children born into "red-state culture" will resent the forebearers who stop stupidly in not trying to get along with the rest of the citizenry. That citizenry, they, conservative forebearers, will have bit off their noses to spite!
Because if history teaches us one thing, it is this: If we forget our past history; we're doomed to repeat it. In this case, conservatives can play the fool in an effort to push back against all those many apologies delivered for past national transgressions against their fellow citizen groups, to recreate the same incivility, only to at some time again in some future generation of conservatives to be made truly shameful, regretful, and probably sorrowful, for making the vain attempt at being 'robots.'
It simply can't sustain itself. Emotions are everywhere in our society. Even with today's conservatives. The conservative party is fracturing, stress-lines are forming, widening, and deepening.
BTW, there are liberals living with those red-states and they will resent (fight) conservatives for trying to dumb their kids down. You will have no respite. Your kids, likely a majority, will be offended that their elders tried to deceive them. Or, were so dismally stupid that they deceived themselves.
Maybe liberals will turn to alternative education like home schooling. If one or more parent has a grasp of what needs to be taught and teaches their kids to think for themselves this could turn into a big thing. Then the cons can have the public schools they always wanted and maybe even bring religion back into school.
"Cons" don't like race-mixing on a grand-scale. They are 'afeared" the other races are turning to empower some of their own ideas in a classroom near -them. They only are trying to get ahead of the curve and take advantage of the SCOTUS they perceive now as conservative-leaning. This what we see now is their attempts to run everything up to the high court and get a conservative 'swing' of the pendulum there on a host of issues. It is like a pride of lions on the Serengeti that has 'knocked' off a pack of Wildebeest and they are overjoyed with the 'bounty.' Eventually, cons would and will act to move to shut down public schools. And, that's when you will know for sure that it is their feelings that are driving them, because it will be the dumbest move in the history of this nation! People educating themselves in private "silos" —to come out and compete against "themselves" and against our national interests!
Just that.
Nobody gives a shit about your emotions during Algebra. They're not allowed through the door of your Calculus class.
In your life, maybe. Maybe if you did more math, you wouldn't have that problem.
Strangely enough, the IRS does not care how I "feel" about the shitload of taxes I had to pay on Monday. My clients don't care how I "feel" about the numbers I generate to help them grow their businesses. My bank doesn't care if I'm happy or sad when I spend money, Exxon doesn't give a tinker's damn whether or not I've been oppressed when I'm filling up my car, and Warren Buffet doesn't even know my emotional state concerning how my shares of Berkshire Hathaway are doing.
That's the real trick of "white male privilege", BTW. It's amazing what you can accomplish when you realize nobody gives a shit how you feel about anything anyway, so you may as well just get on with your life and do the best you can.
Right. Well....my daughter has a graduate degree in mathematics....and you want to talk about your feelings... so the irony of you talking about red-states and dumbing down is pretty much off the charts.
somebody has sold you a bill of goods, and you bought it!
They can leave the religion out of it, the rest will be fine thank you. Religion has no place in school in my opinin.
Yeah? Well, I am not the one supporting an ass for president who lies and cheats his way 'through.' You can pretend not to be emotional creatures, because it makes you feel that you are advantaged on the topic - you are not! I have been out of school too long to know what math and CRT has to do with students today, but I am pretty sure that where there is a will there is a way.
You emotionally driven conservatives, 'hurt' to see liberals excel or "be best" at anything you all fail at, obsess at finding ways to shield the bs y'all spout and thus never getting to the nitty gritty of what is happening that is causing the divide and hell in this country.
I will wait and supply examples of "karen sounds" emanating from the 'pens' of some conservatives momentarily.
Well, I imagine, Jack_TX, that she all by her lonesome is not representative of a likely majority, eh? Over-personalize, much?
Along with the hook, line, and sinker as well.
Y'all are ones to talk. You conservatives,with your delicate kids. You think your kids are offended by truth and so you want to turn schools into 'filtration' camps and send little conservatives there to thrash it out with others who won't entertain the nonsense. What comes next? Outlawing intelligence?
Got news for you, you can't teach critical thinking if you only use selective truths and not the whole truth found on both sides of a perspective. People will out-talk, out- think, out-read, and out learn the handicapped conservative youth who will soon enough abandon the delusion if they hope to stay relevant in the world!
Conservatives, seriously, y'all can't be that dumb! Mentally 'mind-jacking' your own children?!! It's good y'all have forgotten what shame is, because this is some bold-faced bs y'all have set to trying to place on this nation.
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Yeah.
I voted for Biden, so I'm not sure where you're headed with this.
So we're not "advantaged". Good. Glad we got that sorted out.
You'll notice I didn't say we're not emotional....or at least you would have noticed if you ever read anything without projecting your own prejudice on it... I said nobody cares. It's actually quite liberating.
So you're admitting you have no idea what you're talking about, but you're not going to let that challenge your opinions. Outstanding. That is exactly how the religion of politics usually works.
You presume people care. You presume they're like you. They're not. There are tens of millions of people who are utterly indifferent about the success or failures of you or any other liberal. They're not "hurt" or "afraid" or "obsessed" or anything else.
If you want to excel...do so. If you want to "be the best", I've been telling you for months that nobody is stopping you from doing whatever you want to do. The only person holding you down is you.
Nobody else gives a shit, and the sooner you embrace that, the better chance you have of actually achieving something.
So not emotional, just flippant? I'm sticking with you want me to pretend to accept conservative bs just because. Talking out of both sides of you all mouths seems prevalent on the conservative side. Just say what you mean and mean what you say! And, when you are wrong say, "Sorry" or "I stand corrected." And move on.
Quite "liberating" indeed!
No one is buying the "combat Jack" bull patty anyway. Trump taught some conservatives to fight over bull shit. Why? Because bullshit eventually reveals itself as just trash to be flushed after its had its days drying in the sun.
You took the bait. Project much? How can we know you know what the "h" you're writing about? Some conservatives are known for being opportunists, who try to "get mileage" out of other people's words, why using smoke and mirrors to spread misinformation and right-wing talking points. Y'all play many childish and stupid games on social media platforms. And, that much I do know! I can get caught up on a topic and admit that I am doing so. Why?
Because it does not offend me to not know something or to research and learn something new or more and then change my opinion. It's call being a human with feelings and not just a loud, problem-person on the site!
Well don't imagine CB. Show us some math that supports your accusations. You know.... those numbers they sneak in there in between kids being all "social and emotional".
Yes, your conservatives live for this shit. You're obsessed with liberals and liberal ideology. After all, you can't 'wage' political warfare against [Trump] your own, because y'all are perfect and delusionally so. Y'all shit don't stank! But, daily, y'all are convinced that liberals can't tie their shoes or walk and chew gun at the same time. Get real. Stop telling. .. untruths. I don't believe you conservatives when you won't tell the truth.
That is a a conservative lie! Y'all are interfering with schools in Florida. And once you have the 'blueprint' it will be copied and spread across red-states proper via facsimile, email attachments, and webinars. Next: It's fight all the way through the "conservative" court system - y'all are so proud of acquiring. Guess y'all might as well use the "f" out the courts since you earned them?
Well, you won't be using them to stop conservative policies, will you? NO, y'all don't want liberals to be best. Because y'all can't be best. Taking policies back to the past ain't creative! It's redundant. But, its all y'all have. So, it's liberal best you want to quell. Tell the truth.
It is a lie that you can be as successful as you want to be if you are hard working?
Wow.
I guess it is always easier to blame others (conservatives) than to accept responsibility for your own lot in life.
I'm actually very good at flippant. I'm downright amazing at sarcastic.
I'm indifferent about what you pretend to do. The fact is you have a religious level commitment to an often erroneous set of beliefs and no amount of factual evidence to the contrary ever dissuades you.
I keep saying exactly what I mean to say. You just refuse to believe it because it doesn't fit within your window of expected outcomes. We've been doing this for a long time.
Do you even see what you're doing here? Nobody has any idea what you're talking about, but whatever it is...you're not going to believe that I actually said what I meant.
Because they didn't already know that. He held classes and everything. It was a degree you could get from Trump University. Most of these folks have the certificate framed on the wall between Grampa's army flag and their AR15. (told you I was good at sarcasm)
Maybe just review past history of those 40 acres and a mule that did not add up to land ownership for the African Americans who were given land and then had it taken away? What is the math on that land being dispossessed? And how many years has it been since blacks lived on 'the promise' not kept?
The U.S. conservatives who talked the government into RENEGING on the 'blacks.' Evidently, land ownership would have been a calculated way out of poverty for blacks that southern whites thought was better suited for their (greedy) descendants.
Or maybe you mean the calculated wealth lost and not counted by Africans who were not allowed to learn to read or write under federal law? However, when 'fortune' and fame found its way into their pockets in spite of this and the ownership of lands and properties too - there were 'needy' Whites grumbling and who would swindle them out it with sordid stealth contracts and shady court proceedings? What is the calculable wealth losses there?
And 'black wall street' bombed in Tulsa, Oklahoma? Because whites wanted the land and black success to be failure instead? How will you calculate the losses of property and enterprises? And lives not allowed to be 'best' due to white jealousy and envy?
Got to say, this is kind of fun watching these exchanges.
Leaves me wondering where we will end up going next, because right now it looks like the conversation is all over the place.
No one is buying the "combat Jack" bull patty anyway.
I dunno bro. I think it's college football and barbecue.
Nah. We're just in one of those periods where liberals have let liberal ideology cross over into the realm of complete batshit, and the really crazy ones are demanding everybody else play along. They've got everything from "US History really started in 1619" to "my 3yr old is transgender".
About that "realm of complete batshit"... What are you even talking about?
We've already discussed the fact that you don't believe them when they are telling the truth.
Damn! I thought it was on sale!
Now you're just sitting and spinning. U.S. history didn't start with the constitution. . . or, do you conservatives intend to dispense with 'Thanksgiving' with its pilgrim history and the Wampanoag Native American in 1621? (Do the math. See the continuous timeline.)
Would you like a trans kid if he or she sat down next to one of you? I thought you could be sarcastic?
Why are you arguing what no one has stated?
Explain in detail who is stopping you from doing whatever you want to do.
How? Be specific.
It's an interesting idea because everybody everywhere keeps saying that CRT is not being taught in public schools and this is all some baseless fear mongering. So if it's not being taught, how is prohibiting it an interference?
Describe the basis for the lawsuits you say will be filed?
What policies do you believe are being pushed in public schools?
If you imagine "liberal best" to be teaching 6 year olds about gender dysphoria, I seriously question your judgment.
That's why it IS on sale. Apparently, it's not a popular item.
Maybe we need an ad campaign or something.
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I think you'll find it started with the Declaration of Independence.
You do realize that none of those people were American, right?
A transgender 6-year-old is like a vegan cat. We all know who's making that decision.
On a serious, non-sarcastic note....
If you've been fed a line of bullshit long enough, breaking free from it is staggeringly difficult.
I think it was Twain who said "it is much easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled" (badly paraphrased and possibly incorrectly attributed, sorry..but you get the idea)
If you've been told all your life that the reason you're poor or can't ever get ahead is that racists are preventing your success, it's very easy to believe that.
Exponentially compounding that problem is the white liberals who are eternally emotional about it all are the same people whose emotions keep them from being any good with money themselves, so they have zero idea how to help and zero dollars to fund a plan.
I've made 10% in the last 10 days shorting US treasuries into rising interest rates. How many fervent liberals do you know who would even begin to know how to do that, much less understand how they could make money doing it? We're talking about people who don't understand the difference between a mutual fund and an IRA... and they want to solve the issue of economic inequality.
Don't try that counter-psycho bull patty on me. What's interesting is that conservatives are 'f-ing' around with liberals yet again. You, for instance, are not denying it-which would help your pretense.
You can question anything you wish. When you finish doing so - souls in "h" need cold water!
Well then, don't be a tease: Tell already. And do drop in a little of the nuance just for the sake of salaciousness.
Yes, they were ancestors of "Americans" - I think I referred to it as continuity. How else did the "ancestors" arrive here? Ship, horseback, or coach?
Abolitionist John Brown comes to mind right now. No way, a conservative like you would support Africans of his day and their freedoms? 'Poor' John Brown giving a damn about those 'darkies' who had not a damn hope in this country-apart from Brown's emotional concern for them. Hey you— Anti-John Brown! What would you have done to help free the 'American' slaves? Or would you have told them to get their own black 'asses' out and up from slavery?
Would you tell the old slaves that slavery was a meal and roof over their heads? That they didn't need to read, because white men would read for them? That white men would give their black girls and women 'lighter' skin tones in a few 'easy' steps?
What the "h" would an unfeeling, FACTUAL conservative like you have done to an emotional white "liberal" like abolitionist John Brown? Please take your time and be specific.
And yet, when it came to killing Obamacare, Trump fell flat on his 'bald spot.' And John McCain fell so strong about letting that 'loser' fall flat on his bald spot that he went to his 'rest' telling his lifelong fellow republicans they were full of "affordable health care" bullshit. And now the economically challenged are touted by the longest sating republican senator Chuck Grassley, that "Obamacare" is here to stay. Even if republicans take the house and senate next year. So much for hyperbole. A liberal black leader has strained all the conservative 'brights" and your white 'hope' on an economic mind-field apparently you "geniuses" can't blow up!
And then we turn to the upcoming projects to fix infrastructure in this country, for which conservatives should not pass a package to get 'er done! But, stood up to steal and take the credit from liberals successes. All too reminiscent of "forty acres and a mule' conservative shiftiness don't you think?
None of that is being taught - don't know why this has to be debunked constantly.
You are your biggest fan. Not amazing in the slightest.
None of that is being taught
Jack didn't make any allegations in 1.1.35 about what was being taught.
don't know why this has to be debunked constantly.
Thanks for not debunking once again.
Yeah...I tried crying to my Calc prof....I ended up having to take it again. But I really like math even tho I'm bad at it
And congratulations to your daughter on her master's in mathematics. She must be a super brain
Yep, aisle 5 at Walmart in the ammo section!
Which these days is most likely almost empty
Because like Putin's alternative reality with Ukraine, like Trump's ridiculous truthful hyperbole, these conservatives bring their 'strong delusion' to the comment boards here daily.
It does not matter what the truth is.
Only the narrative they select is what they play out here. So, I have decided to stop appeasing their bull shit. Instead, I will 'labor' to make them get their 'jollies' more responsibly.
In my area Walmart in my town, we're fairly fortunate to have a decent supply. The only thing I can't get locally is 9 mm or 223/5.56 rounds as a result of Walmart bowing to the anti gun lobby and refuses to carry those evil caliber rounds. But I can go up to Fort Huachuca Army base an hour away and get all I need there and it's tax free as well.
I'm sure that made sense in your mind when you typed it. However that sense didn't actually make it all the way to the keyboard. What are you talking about?
Parents. Specifically, hyper emotional liberal parents who are so desperate and attention needy that they're willing to trade their child's well-being for their own emotional validation.
So were the Saxons at the Battle of Hastings. How far back are we going to take this? Does US History really start in 1066?
Remember that thing where it made sense in your mind but not anywhere else? We're there again.
BTW, do any of your examples happen after 1970?
Please do tell us all how that is in any way related to the financial illiteracy of bleeding heart liberals?
How will you profit from the upcoming infrastructure spending? What is your plan? How will you invest your money, alter your employment or otherwise change your behavior to capitalize on this multi-trillion dollar opportunity?
Right. Sure.
You still haven't addressed the question of who exactly is stopping you from doing whatever it is you want to do.
Yeah... Calc teachers/profs don't typically loosen up for tears. They see a lot of them.
We are obviously very proud of our daughter. She starts her PhD in the fall. She currently teaches high school, but I'm not sure how long that will last after she finishes her doctorate.
She's an interesting case, because she's actually a pretty emotionally driven person. But she hates the social/emotional learning thrust, because it undermines the actual course content. She said the other day "we can spend our time lying to the kids about how smart they are or teaching them and actually making them that smart." I told her I was stealing that.
Figure it out. (Already.)
How would a sold-out Trump conservative know about the needs of liberal children? Tend to your own conservative 'babes' who are probably looking more than listening. BTW, it's heterosexuals who birth homosexual and trans-youth persons anyway. Fun fact! Evidently, you are aware that these are children conservatives are setting their hearts again! But, now what will be your excuse for poor behavior towards your fellow taxpayers?
Question: If you could have it the 'conservative way, which would you prefer: Heterosexuals give birth or abort their homosexual or trans-youth offspring?
Now you're being distracting. U.S. history didn't start with the constitution. . . or, do you conservatives intend to dispense with 'Thanksgiving' with its pilgrim history and the Wampanoag Native American in 1621? (Do the math. See the continuous ancestor timeline.)
BTW, you are as American as anybody from the American continents.
U.S. history didn't start with the constitution.
Ok, if our history didn’t start with our national political construct, but our geography, then US history starts about 33,000 years ago with Homo sapien habitation here.
You should find one and ask. There are several here on NT. Meanwhile this tepid Biden moderate spent 30 years working with kids and understands completely that branding a young child as "transgender" is utterly asinine and horrifically damaging to the child.
But don't let the welfare of kids get in the way of your self-righteous political dogma.
Do you even try to make sense?
I never want to see a pregnancy end early. No sane person does.
I don't have a problem with gay people or transgendered people. I have a problem with parents who abuse their kids because of their own mental illness.
A 3 yr old or an 8 yr old is not capable of deciding their gender. They lack the organic brain development and experiential reference to process the ramifications of that choice. A parent who tells you their young child is trans has made that decision on the child's behalf and is locking that child into a life and identity that child may or may not have wanted. If your crazy-ass lefty mom decides you're really a girl when you're 5 years old and then raises you as "the trans kid", telling you and everybody else you're not really a boy, that becomes your reality whether you wanted it or not.
You're correct. Well done. It started with the Declaration of Independence.
Everything before that is British Colonial history. Because....you see... prior to the Declaration of Independence, they were British colonies.
I'm not sure how you imagine these two ideas are dependent, but we all do love your very vivid imagination. The traditional Thanksgiving tale is one of many leading up to the formation of the US. So is the story of Blackbeard. So is the story of Ponce de Leon and the fountain of youth. So is the story of the Salem witch trials. The French & Indian War. We can go on for a very long time.
Yes. As are you. What's your point?
I have taken about a dozen American History courses and not one of them started in 1776.
Some people just cannot stand or comprehend that United States history and the Declaration of Independence in 1774 coincide with each other, and if they want to go back before that they need to talk to the British simply because the US just did not exist prior to 1774. The dining of the U S Constitution in 1787 was the icing on the cake. That's why the 1619 Project is such a farce because it is based on faulty or false premises.
When did they start US History?
[D]o you conservatives intend to dispense with 'Thanksgiving' with its pilgrim history and the Wampanoag Native American in 1621? (Do the math. See the continuous ancestor timeline.)
What do you do with these predecessors and this annual 'occasion'? Please take time to to explain it to me. Remember: Native Americans know when 'whites' landed here and have been counting the days ever since! BTW, I don't mean to be literal or overly-descriptive, but some here pretend not to 'get" anything without long-winded descriptions and explanations!
Does our history on the North American continent began in 1970, Jack_TX or just the new conservative (delusion) narrative? BTW, has 1970 replaced the 'old' sell of 1776 as when the United States begin (actually colonists were here long before). I am pretty sure you ancestors will miss the 'worship' that you are removing from them in your efforts to forget the past! But, new conservatives can't be shamed anymore, eh?
When do you see the start of North American history? Is that different than the start of US history? If so, when do you start US history?
JBB! Check out the shameless new 'goalpost' for "America's founding." See what Drinker of the Rye did there!
Our conservatives don't wish to continue their "ancestor worship" for the original landing and first colonists. As if 1776 was not a continuation of the "colonists" here prior and the historic problems which existed to boot! (Though they were all too happy to accept the profits of owning chattel slaves in the United States, too.)
These people will tell you don't believe facts. Come. See the new alternative redefined 1776 "Conservative style."
Begin by familiarizing yourself with Pangaea.
I have taken about a dozen American History courses and not one of them started in 1776.
So your dozen American History classes started with Pangaea?
You can't hide conservative shame in the last fifty years, because conservatives were miserable toward their fellow citizens then too as to this very day! You can't take credit for what liberals and progressives have strove to make progressively better in our country, while setting back progress, stalling, frustrating, and obfuscating change non-stop!
See what Drinker of the Rye Wry) did there!
What I did there was to ask you some simple questions: “When do you see the start of North American history? Is that different than the start of US history? If so, when do you start US history?”
Why haven’t you answered them? If you disagree that US history began with the Declaration of Independence, when do you think it began and why? Why is an arbitrary start point so important to you?
And you still have not addressed the question of why conservatives find it essential to meddle in liberal liberties and freedoms so much!
Now I have to ask do you even try to make sense? Just read that bs again until it makes sense or you see its failing.
Our conservatives don't wish to continue their "ancestor worship" for the original landing and first colonists.
Did I previously commit “ancestor worship”?
As if 1776 was not a continuation of the "colonists" here prior and the historic problems which existed to boot!
Of course 1776 is a continuation of the colonies, just with a different government. Isn’t all history a continuation, there isn’t a hard start or stop. What is your point?
Though they were all too happy to accept the profits of owning chattel slaves in the United States, too.)
I don’t know when my ancestors arrived in North America. I know of none that lived in the South. Ohio and Indiana is the original known location of my ancestors.
These people will tell you don't believe facts. Come. See the new alternative redefined 1776 "Conservative style."
These people? I haven’t known you to be shrill CB, perhaps you’re having the bad day that we all have from time to time.
You don't know what a three year old or an eight year old is capable of telling a professional or you would not try to pretend to be an expert to make such a ridiculous claim! Your presumption is the type of parent under your "scrutiny" wants to damage her child's welfare present and future. Do you know how stupid that sounds?
Of course, you don't! Why? Because apparently you have not been faced with the issue, problem, dilemma, 'misery,' and clearly are not able to empathize (feelings?) while pretending to be a human 'robot.' Emphasis on "pretending."
'Karen songs'. We knew it was all bull shit! Pride is a feeling. And so your 'robotic' ideological bull crap falls to the 'dirt' at your feet. Evidently, you can display empathy ( when its one of your own) and life works in her (and your) favor.
British colonial history = early U.S. history. African (Atlantic) slave history = U.S. slave history in part. What is not to understand here? Why do you have a mental block on this? Are you ashamed of this nation's British ancestry? I am not ashamed of my African ancestors in the Americas!
African slave history = U.S. slave history
African slave history in the Americas is much broader than North America. On a timeline, African slave history in the Caribbean, Brazil and elsewhere predates the first slaves arriving in VA.
In addition to the British, the Portuguese, Spanish, French, Dutch and the Danes shipped African slaves to the new world. I’m surprised that you didn’t know that.
I don't know Drinker', why do you need to separate yourself from the Boston Tea Party in 1773? Paul Revere, was he an "American" patriot in 1775?
Just how lame does this line of ill-conceived questioning need to be?
I haven’t separated myself “from the Boston Tea Party in 1773 or Paul Revere.
Why do you claim that I did?
Just how lame does this line of ill-conceived questioning need to be?
You’ve got me as you haven’t answered any of my simple questions.
Was Massachusetts 'Boston's own' born Benjamin Franklin a British citizen?
Bingo! My ancestors on my mother's side were Chiricahua Apache who were here to meet the first Spanish Conquistadors in the American Southwest. The Spaniards considered then uncivilized savages and immediately tried to subjugate and force Christianity on them. Did not work too well and the Apaches and other native tribes fought the Spanish for over a century before the founding of the 13 Colonies. The Spaniards enslaved many Native Americans. Not something normally taught in elementary and high school US history classes. Just another point of view that some posters here may not be interested in hearing or even be aware of.
You have not answered my questions and my are relevant to the record-keeping of this country.
Don't "misinformation" my comment and waste time throwing up 'distractions,' Drinker'! The Americas' was in my comment. Furthermore, we were not doing a 'world slave' study. We are only interested in the colonies and this country's chattel class.
And I didn't use to figure you for someone who could not stick to the 'basics' of context and understanding.
Don't "misinformation" my comment and waste time throwing up 'distractions,' Drinker'!
Misinformation? About me you’ve written,
“Check out the shameless new 'goalpost' for "America's founding." See what Drinker of the Rye did there!”
“Our conservatives don't wish to continue their "ancestor worship" for the original landing and first colonists.”
“Though they were all too happy to accept the profits of owning chattel slaves in the United States, too.”
“These people will tell you don't believe facts.”
“I don't know Drinker', why do you need to separate yourself from the Boston Tea Party in 1773? Paul Revere, was he an "American" patriot in 1775?”
None of these comments are remotely connected to anything that I’ve written on this thread or previously.
The American colonists considered themselves to be British citizens with the same rights, King George considered them to be British tenants with limited rights.
You have not answered my questions and my are relevant to the record-keeping of this country.
I have responded to all of your questions, you still haven’t answered mine;
When do you see the start of North American history?
Is that different than the start of US history?
If so, when do you start US history?
I am not keeping a list. If the shoe fits answer. If not - do with it as you see fit! It's all the same to me.
Benjamin Franklin was born a British citizen. That's a yes from you, Drinker'?
Just SOP. Talk about a WHOLE bunch of unrelated topics, bring up stuff NO ONE is talking about, demand answers while NEVER answering......and the beat goes on and on and on and on and on and on...........never changing.
When the pilgrim fathers landed and formed a colony at Plymouth, Massachusetts, our "North American history" began.
U.S. history is a continuation of the North American history as it is a continual (non-broken) timeline with the same fathers and other 'actors' standing on the shoulders of their predecessors on the timeline. Metaphorically-speaking.
U.S. history begins after the colonies broke away from England in a revolutionary war and separated from its ancestral home and wrote a constitution for itself and contracting to 'execute' it. The "American" founders, formerly English men and women nationals born on a foreign shore, formed a new nation but, unfortunately chose to not give back their English 'holdings' or do away with chattel slavery. Instead they claimed all or nearly all of the colonies possessions as war spoil.
Yes, did you miss my reply? What is your point?
Yes, without any doubt at all.
Seems like a weird question to ask, I figured most people knew that by now.
Is anyone anywhere arguing differently?
Seems like you have been told US history started AFTER the colonies broke away in the Revolution.
U.S. historyis a continuation of the North American history as it is a continual (non-broken) timeline with the same fathers and other 'actors' standing on the shoulders of their predecessors on the timeline.
Ok, that’s a valid start point, and North American history is a continuation of primarily European history among others.
Great, we can both feel better and end this pointless, inane conversation.
Do stop slowing down the pace of discussion with rhetorical bs. The United States has kindred ancestral ties with its English founding fathers.
I’m not keeping one either, NT keeps it.
I have no idea what you are talking about now any more than the original point of this discussion.
And you said that to say what?
The United States has kindred ancestral ties with its English founding fathers.
You’ve mastered the obvious.
Looks like he meant THIS:
I said that to say that I don’t know what you mean when you wrote:
“Do stop slowing down the pace of discussion with rhetorical bs”
Drinker,' the point can not be valid and inane at the same time in this context. That's contrary rhetoric bull .
The same thing people do with Christmas, Easter and St. Patrick's Day. Realize that it happened before the US was a country and involved people who weren't Americans.
No, but so far all your examples of evil conservative persecution stop before then.
You still can't seem to answer the question... who is stopping you from doing whatever you want to do? I said nobody, and you claimed that was a lie. So who is it?
So you continue to claim. Yet you still can't tell us who is keeping you from doing whatever it is you want to do.
Largely because you can't tell me what freedom you're being denied.
A graduate degree and 30 years experience working with kids says I have a pretty good handle on it.
I won't ask you about your credentials.
Please do remember that I specifically said we do have emotions, but that nobody cares and they don't belong in math classes.
But I guess you could tell us all how you 'feel' about the quadratic formula.
I suspect the Australians may be very disappointed to hear that. And the Indians. And the Chinese. And the Tanzanians, Burmese, Afghans, Canadians, Irish, Cypriots and Nigerians, to name just a few.
Places like Virginia and South Carolina were colonies, just like India, until they declared their independence....in 1776, when they became states, and the history of the United States begins.
Slavery is part of American history from 1776-1865, and is part of British colonial history prior to that. That doesn't mean claims that US history starts in 1619 are not utterly idiotic.
George Washington's great grandfather, John Washington was a prominent and influential plantation owner in Virginia that used slave labor to work his fields. How one can ignore the immediate ancestry of the first US president etc and claim that nothing matters until 1776 is bizarre. Of course there is a continuum of people and events that make up "America" that predate the Declaration of Independence.
Well, since you insist on being that technical about it; the land was already here and occupied by natives and they were the aforementioned: "Americans." To wit. Native Americans. There is no way to separate (disown, run from) the English colonies past from the founding fathers and the early colonial states! And, it is sad to see this sorry attempt at doing so by the conservative-Right! The conservative movement can not revise this nation's (tragic) history into something it was not.
Start point, start point is valid, not the pointless, inane discussion.
Your question is rhetorical nonsense. Your question could be inverted to inquire under liberal policies: "Who is stopping you from doing whatever you want to do?"
The conservative movement is "dead" set on reversing national and state liberal policies (freedom and diversity of ideas and thoughts) and placing conservative policies (under-regulation of government and over-regulated private morality) in their stead.
You can't hide behind rhetorical 'flourishes' of cliches. It simply falls flat!
Conservatives do their best at attempting to suppress the progress of this nation with spurts and starts and unfortunately some successes-especially recent court advances or regressions depending on one's perspective. For further explanation see @1.1.120.
I haven't down that.
And, it is sad to see this sorry attempt at doing so by the conservative-Right!
I'm sorry that you're sad, but I speak for myself and would prefer you not attempt to label me.
The conservative movement can not revise this nation's (tragic) history into something it was not.
I'm not part of a movement and our nation's history is like most nation's history, a combination of the tragic, grand and mediocre events.
Rhetorical nonsense. For further explanation see @ 1.1.120 .
Who has done that?
Of course there is a continuum of people and events that make up "America" that predate the Declaration of Independence.
That is beyond dispute, what is your point?
You wrote this @ 1.1.4 . Anybody reading that can 'capture' your drift!
And teaching professionals (for whichever set of reasons) have taken to discussing whatever 'deliverables' they feel appropriate to their classes. To which, you chime in as if you know what the "h" you are talking about! It's conservative meddling in the classroom of "today" that is being challenged here!
I don't know what your credentials are and unless you plan to reveal yourself satisfactorily online on an anonymous comment site we only have your word to go on. And why should we do that?
As a result being rude, and indifferent to what the teaching professionals are telling communities and this nation about what real world scenarios and teaching practices is just more of conservative loud and obnoxious chatter !
I won't digress with you on this.
Today's combative conservatives are shameless, delusional, and 'shipwrecked' (ran aground) by a deniable of their historical record. Apparently, they take no pride in it any longer. Perhaps they feel the past record has outlived its usefulness? Or is it a hindrance to this political expediency they hope to engage in in the present?
Good deal.
Drinker', What? Where is Jack_TX? And as a courtesy to the rest of us when you quote can you use the "edit" feature: "Blockquote" on the upper far left of the "paragraph" tool?
Huh?
Or is it a hindrance to this political expediency they hope to engage in in the present?
Does that statement have anymore meaning than your previous one?
Yeah. That happened.
[ Whew! Caught up. Can catch another thirty winks before sunrise proper! Bye!]
Surprisingly, folks here don't tell where or when they are going somewhere. Thanks for the Blockquote tip.
Riiiiight.
Because that's how they identified themselves. They would never have said they were Iroquois or Calusa or Cherokee or Seminole. They would have told you they were "Americans", and part of a country that didn't exist. That's exactly how that would have happened.
Do cite where I have said any such thing. Read carefully for a change.
All I've said is that US history does not start in 1619.
The irony of that coming from you is hysterically funny.
Yes. Now we're getting somewhere.
Please cite where I have claimed that I am oppressed or repressed or anyone is stopping me from doing whatever I want to do. You, on the other hand, make the claim repeatedly but can never ever give a single example of it happening.
And the liberal movement is dead set on reversing conservative policies. That's how politics works. Are you just now realizing this?
You are welcome to any thoughts you can manage. And other people are allowed to tell you if we think they're idiotic.
US history starting in 1619 is an idiotic idea. So is the idea that a 3 yr old is transgender. People imagining that opposition to those lunatic ideas somehow constitutes racism or transphobia is even more moronic.
Circling back to the beginning of this interchange (which you didn't read carefully), a major challenge for Democrats right now is the unwillingness of mainstream Democrats to tell the looney left that several of their ideas are utterly moronic and are contributing to an impending landslide reversal in congress.
Ah. So we're back to pretending I didn't mean exactly what I said. I realize you say all sorts of crazy shit and expect people to know what you mean, but you've failed to notice that nobody else really does that. Before you try to read between the lines, you might want to just read the lines themselves.
CB....buddy....we're talking about textbooks and the textbook approval process. What are you talking about?
I'm sure if I posted my driver's license you would think it meant something else and try to claim you "captured the drift".
Yes. Of course. Whatever we do we musn't cloud the issue with facts. It's unfair to those who were "socially and emotionally" educated and don't know any actual facts.
Maybe you havent seen them , but there have been numerous comments on this forum in recent months contending that nothing that happened before 1776 reflects on "America" because , for example, Virginia slaveholders prior to 1776 were not "Americans".
George Washington's great grandfather owned slaves in Virginia in the mid 1600's , a practice which undoubtedly influenced George Washington's own desire to own slaves (both before and after 1776 by the way).
“…there have been numerous comments on this forum in recent months contending that nothing that happened before 1776 reflects on "America"…”
What an odd argument to make.
Everything that occurred on this soil prior to 1776 informs and gives context to what happened next. So of course it is part of our history. Arbitrarily assigning a specific date is a rather ludicrous exercise, historically…or perhaps hysterically speaking.
You believe George Washington's great grandfather was an American?
Seems like semantic soup on both sides. I guess I don't know the point that they are trying to make or the point that you are trying to make.
I'm guessing the want of more money influenced George Washington's own desire to own slaves.
Exactly, like you, I haven't seen that argument made.
Was George Washington an "American" on July 3rd 1776? Or was he a totally different man?
By 1776 Washington's family tree had owned slaves in Virginia for approximately 120 years. Is it your contention that fact is completely immaterial to George Washington's history and thus American history?
So was George Washington's great grandfather an American or not?
Depending on the context, he was both an American and an Englishman.
Your argument rests entirely on the assertion that prior to July 4 1776 "America" did not exist. Were that true in a practical sense there would have been no predicate for the Declaration of Independence. Otherwise one would have to believe that there was no foundation for independence, but rather just some miraculous event that took place on one day.
What other classes are emotions prohibited Jack?
Because it sure as hell looks like the RW is demanding that it's paramount to acknowledge the possibility of emotions in history and social studies classes. Of course, the emotion they most want to guard against is perceived guilt...
Is it your contention that fact is completely immaterial to George Washington's history and thus American history?
It's my contention that US history represents a part of the continuum of history. Our history has certainly been influenced by the Europeans and Africans that arrived here and the Native Americans that were already here before North America became the United States. Those Europeans were certainly influenced by European, African and Asian history. Their history was influenced by the migrations out of the Mid East and Africa before.
Of course, human history was influenced by the mammalian development along with climatic, geological and other animal history. Their history was influenced by the planets history which of coursed was influenced by the history of the solar system and the galaxy. Our galaxy wouldn't be the same without the history of the universe and the laws of physics.
It is my contention that we are part of the big history, the understanding of, requires a multi-discipline approach starting from the big bang and marching through to modernity. Start and stop points are just a convenience to bin it in more digestible pieces or a cataloguing construct.
I feel better now JR, I hope you do too.
People and families that held slaves prior to July 4 1776 did not magically reconstitute their being, and influence on the land , on that date, did they?
There are people here who argue that American history does not exist prior to independence. I am just pointing out the illogicality of that argument.
American history does exist prior to 7-4-76 because we (they) lived in North America. United States history does not. Period.
entirely on the assertion that prior to July 4 1776 "America" did not exist.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Either you are trying to argue that the American nation somehow predates it's founding, which is nonsensical, or something something so obvious it doesn't even need saying, namely that prior events affect future events.
Maybe he just wanted something to talk about.
I only see magic as entertainment.
I haven’t seen that argument. Do you see all history as a single continuum? Was American history influenced by prior history in Europe and elsewhere?
I’m still trying to understand the significance or point that you are trying to make. Does the fact that we, like most locations in the Americas, had slaves before and after 1776 change anything or alter our understanding of history?
We have discussed this issue before on Newstalkers. I cant help it if you missed those threads. Some people object to the implications of the 1619 Project based on the argument that events prior to the Declaration of independence are not part of American history. Personally, I find that objection silly.
“United States history…”
Agreed. Let that be the end of yet another rather silly debate.
Follow the money .... who has the deepest pockets .....
That was the idea behind posting it. Hope some others pick up on it. Thanks.
That would be a no. He was a British colonist in the Americas, plain and simple.
To History...And Beyond....
( Said in Buzz Lightyear voice)
Do you desire restarting that discussion?
1619 is the wrong date and much later in the history of the Atlantic slave trade. The Spanish brought the first African slaves to the Americas from Europe as early as 1503, and by 1518 the first slaves were shipped directly from Africa to America.
Personally, I find the date 1619 silly by anyone interested in the beginning of the slave trade to the Americas.
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Argument for argument sake is a great waste of digital energy! Conservatives do labor long and hard to obfuscate and dilute conversations. Just stick to the truth and it will benefit all of NT. I am pretty sure NT visitors and members would appreciate us getting along—from both opposing sides.
After all, and though you didn't bother to ask, I don't need an invite to state this: State and federal congresses were intended in spirit to be 'zones of positive activity' designed for the benefit of all the citizens of this country. It is sickening and repulsive (to me anyway) that our congresspeople, on both sides, go to Washington training on political disruption, gamesmanship, and 'owning the other'!
When I see the same lack of sincerity, on both sides, happening on a comment board, the spill-over is exasperating and a gross waste of our 'local' time spent here as in the paid and professional halls of congress!
I repeat, you didn't ask for that, but take it and internalize it anyway.
See @1.1.161. That's all. Political gamesmanship is a painful waste of our tlme here, Jack! Just as it is a waste of the nation's and world's time in Washington, D.C. BTW, correct me if I am wrong: Is it conservatives who complain about the "swampiness" of Washington, D.C.? Yes, I am pretty sure it is the conservatives.
So why would you state political "swampiness" as the status quo on NT?
Test the theory, if you want. Post your identifying information. But don't blame me for it. It will be all you doing so. Your hands, computer, and brain-power acting to expose yourself. Have I made myself clear? Your bravado fails.
Now to something about K-8 years old:
Interesting and insightful Atlantic opinion piece. I suggest everybody read the whole article.
Science does not posit that the Big Bang is the creation of something from nothing but rather from a net zero energy state. Those who think 'something from literal nothing' are confused.
Physics, chemistry, statistics, trigonometry and computer science, to name a few.
You'll notice I've made no mention of history textbooks. Largely because a) I only ever taught one section of history (on an emergency basis) and b) I don't care.
Science does not posit that the Big Bang is the creation of something from nothing but rather from a net zero energy state.
What does science posit as the driving force for the Big Bang in the net zero energy state?
The most egregious waste of our time here CB is you casting your special spin onto other people's comments and refusing to simply accept that people mean what they say and no more.
I think everybody complains about Congress.
CB, you have a well-established pattern of reading or misreading something and assuming that somebody who said "A" must really mean "Q, R, S, and T", get outraged, invent shit in your mind, and attempt to defend the ridiculously indefensible.
So now it appears "swampiness" is the latest invention. I'll let you handle that one.
Well said.
Was George Washington, the first president, British?
Prior to July 4, 1776, yes. Yes he was.
He was BORN a British subject. He BECAME an American when America became a country.
What is so hard to understand about this, and really, what difference does it make now?
It's obviously a very emotional issue for some.
Apparently the emotions are winning and the conversation is going all over the place.
Want to change the subject--ask a question and someone will be quick to jump to another topic.
I've noticed that. Many don't like to pin themselves down with a definitive answer.
A definitive, responsive answer is indeed rare for some.
Quantum fluctuations which triggered a chain reaction followed by a massive expansion of space-time. There are other hypotheses by the way but there is no posit of pure nothingness. The 'nothingness' is always something.
Certainly above my level of understanding, but I thought that a fluctuation was a change in the amount of energy at a point in time/space. Can you have that in a "net zero energy state"?
Thanks TiG, that is something that even I can understand.
Yes! Net zero energy = "gravity (negative energy) = matter (positive energy)"; The gravity and matter are opposite energies canceling each other out.
Quantum fluctuation is the destruction (mutual annihilation) of quantum particles (particle [+1] + antiparticle [-1] = 0) and the forming of particles and anti-particles. When annihilation ceases to match forming, an inbalance could trigger a chain reaction and that chain reaction is one hypothesis for the Big Bang.
The point, by the way, is that under every hypothesis there is always something before the Big Bang. The Big Bang is not the emergence of something from a literal nothing.
Stop the Bullshit. Early citizens of our country took for themselves the spoils of England in the Revolutionary War and continued on this country's 'merry' way.
English slavery, cultural expressions, proclamations, and celebrations as appropriate in tow.
Today even our SCOTUS routinely and recently cites English law see: Justice Scalia, D.C. vs Heller, 2006 opinion. Use citations: Commentaries on the Laws of England (1765-1769) Sir William Blackstone.
Today's conservatives are full of delusional bullshit. Time to burst this mind-numbing, specious, self-absorbing rhetorical nonsense. Do so before it gets out of control and gets people killed!
You may stop your victim bullshit anytime. What you just responded to me is rubbish and had NOTHING to do with what I wrote at 1.1.149. Back on ignore you go. Play those cards with someone else.
You've invented shit in your mind again.
Please indicate where anyone has said otherwise.
I'm sure whatever lunacy you've invented in your mind that you think they believe is just that.
So....your assertion here... is that if we refuse to agree that the US was really founded in 1619, people will die? Do you understand how utterly crazy that shit is?
What do you see as the bullshit.
Some of the "spoils", of course the governmental construct changed significantly.
Yes, the continuum of history and culture.
I'm not sure what self-absorb rhetorical nonsense you are referring to.
Cute, playing a game of conservative Tag junto with me (involuntarily). Wait for it. I'm running right now. In the words of WWE Road Warriors: Animal: What a rush!!!
I'm sorry that JR got tired of trying to help you.
If you're running right now, there is nothing to wait for.
Perrie, I don’t think that I have anyone on ignore. Certainly not Ender. All NT comments are important to me.
Don't count in that happening, it's much easier than facing reality.
Don't count in that happening, it's much easier than facing reality.
Well hell, if not caring is the litmus test, they could have a wailing wall in all the classes that you cited for all I care.
"Because that's how they identified themselves. They would never have said they were Iroquois or Calusa or Cherokee or Seminole. They would have told you they were "Americans", and part of a country that didn't exist. That's exactly how that would have happened."
Shouldn't you have put the "/S" tag there Jack? Because that's how the tribes/nations would've identified themselves - Seneca, Oneida, Onondaga, Cherokee, Chickasaw, etc. The "Seminole" weren't a tribe/nation until 1957 when the tribe/nation adopted their first constitution.
No 'cause he died in 1698 and was a British subject.
If you have 22 friends who want to go the the cross burning and only 17 sheets to make uniforms, how many sheets to you need to buy for everybody to get to go?
You might have picked the wrong state Stevie, Delaware has a higher percentage per capita than Florida.
Should have stocked up at the Robert Byrd estate sale!
I think you are asking the wrong person. Sheets and cross burnings belong in the realm of democrats.
Ask them.
They know.
I think four bottles of Mad Dog rum would take care of that problem - hell, they wouldn't even be able to get up OFF the floor to get their sheets fitted.
Think you need to quit referencing KKK stuff here Steevie - strikes some nerves.
My late son was particularly fond of a rum brand called Sailor Jerry's. Said it was much better than Mad Dog.
Good stuff, it’s like high test Captain Morgan.
And yet the democrat candidate campaigned and got elected too with the first black-skinned president and vice-president. What station is held by the highest ranking black person in the republican party? Senator Tim Scott comes to mind, but that foolish man would not vote for a qualified black woman to sit on the SCOTUS! I still have to find time to figure THAT ONE out!
do you question democratic no votes for kavanaugh and barrett?
Better yet, Biden should be questioned for blocking the first black woman that was going to be nominated for SCOTUS.
While his fellow Dems whistled zippity doo dah day that time ......
Some just seem to think Democrats walk on water.
They employ a double standard that forces them to look the other way when one of their very own does the EXACT same thing they bitch incessantly about.
Their favorite response is to play the race card when logic fails them.
Yep, the progressive mania is off the hook with some of them.
Gotta get their shots in while they can though. It’s gonna be a rough summer and fall for them.
Real rough ....
Fortunately, despite the histrionics from those always playing the race card, enough Americans have had it with that silly tactic.
And that is a good sign for America and Americans.
I don't see the relevance either. Could the cover picture show children of different races together, God forbid?
I notice they show zero examples of these supposed violations they found.
To be expected from a 'newspaper' that has a feature article on Honey-Boo-Boo.
It amazes me. Some people just believe whatever they tell them.
Well, we are talking about textbooks where the material is copyrighted but not yet published. So I'm guessing any public release of said material is highly problematic from a legal standpoint.
How so? From a parents right stand point, which the right loves to claim, the parents cannot see beforehand what textbooks their kids will be using.
Once they're published, sure. Until then, no.
Like all highly competitive businesses, there will be NDAs in place.
Eh, I still don't buy the Florida bullshit laws.
What defines CRT exactly?
Who defines unsolicited strategies?
I have yet to see anything other than them pushing their agenda under the broadest of terms.
So they want us to believe CRT is found in 70% of the textbooks but claim they are unable to provide even a single example of what constitutes a violation. For all we know they are rejecting these books because they all contain the word "black" somewhere in there.
“…what constitutes a violation…”
…so let us create a conundrum, legislate against a non-issue, back candidates that run on nothing less, and condemn anyone who dare question the veracity.
For all you know.
Don't you think that is just a touch absurd?
Oh, and why would black be in a math textbook anyway?
“Oh, and why would black be in a math textbook anyway?”
Oh, and just how would ‘CRT’ be in a math textbook anyway?
Math (Yes Math) is Racist (farleftfacts.org)
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The diameter of the black circle is 0.750 inch and the diameter of the yellow circle is 0.955 inch.
You put the black circle on top and exactly in the middle of the yellow circle. Since the black circle is smaller, it will not cover completely the yellow circle.
What is the area of the portion that is not covered? Will the area change if the black circle is not centered?
Soooooooooooooooooooo weak.
They've said no such thing. CNn is simply carefully crafting headlines to confirm bias.
Textbooks are rejected for many reasons, including failing to include all state curriculum requirements or outdated pedagogical methods. In this case some were rejected for emphasis on "social and emotional learning" or common core methodology.
But that doesn't make very good clickbait.
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Well, good evening to you too.
Right? How does a “journalist” do a story like this with zero examples? I’m not saying it’s not true (I don’t have enough information). But the story is useless without examples. At minimum, they could say they asked for examples but were refused.
This article gives some hints on what the 'issue' seems to be:
South Florida schools face chaos as state bans math books with ‘prohibited topics’ (msn.com)
One revelation from the above article is that in May of last year, the state released a list of authorized textbooks for districts to choose from. The books that the state just banned were ALL on that list.
In short, between May 2021 and March 2022, those books suddenly became verboten...
This shit just gets weirder and weirder.
I mean, what can you say to these people other than “grow the fuck up?” It’s a cartoon. Why would it even need a gender?
Yeah we wouldn’t want American children to have a single positive feeling about Honduras. It either doesn’t occur to them or they don’t care that there might be a Hispanic kid in class. I bet a Union Jack would be ok.
Not surprised. I expected this to be one of the complaints. People like this figure that if a word problem doesn’t involve Jack or Sally, it must be subversive.
Needed? Perhaps not. But any little thing that has the potential to get a kid a little more excited about doing schoolwork, is likely to have an improved impact on their performance.
So, I guess we can find ways to get kids excited about learning . . . Or we could just beat them more. Ah! The Good Old Days! When you could just smack a kid and that was “teaching.”
It's a single comment from a parent. Not really worth getting excited about.
One revelation from the above article is that in May of last year, the state released a list of authorized textbooks for districts to choose from. The books that the state just banned were ALL on that list.
In short, between May 2021 and March 2022, those books suddenly became verboten...
That is very revealing. Unfortunately, this is typical of every aspect of today’s Republican politics. Yesterday’s standard is today’s boogey man du jour. They don’t even care how glaringly obvious it is either. Their base is fully conditioned to Donald Trump styled arguments.
After seeing what they did read into the record, I'd like to read the part of Christine Speedy's letter that 'could be considered insensitive'.
What gets me is, what is so wrong about learning those things?
Apparently, it was enough - or all they had to go on:
Usually, it seems to me that the vast majority of people who are sensible and wouldn’t spend two seconds worrying about the politics of a math book, are content to not speak up. Because, why would they? Meanwhile, one - or a handful of - loud lunatic(s) contribute their insane perspective and get the whole book banned.
I agree, but then it apparently contributed to the book being banned, which is a much stronger reaction than just people commenting on the internet.
Probably, the part that begins, “WE the white, god-fearing people of Rock Ridge . . . “
I think this is because the people of Florida are scared of math so they have all the math books banned
Math is hard. Some has letters in it. That can't be right....
Then they want you to find the eX. Y would I do that?
Hey, that sounds like secret code for making someone a transexual.
See? We can't have that in Florida!!!!
I can only laugh at parts of this.
The republicans were complaining that children have to go back to school. They can't stay at home. They need social interaction to grow and learn.
And now social-emotional learning is 'the worst of all'...
But the unsolicited comment by a random parent to a local school board had nothing to do with the State Board's decision. It's thrown into this article because that what biased reporters of this ilk do. They pick the most egregious or stupid argument they can find in opposition to the preferred policy and use it is a stand in to represent all opposition. It's inclusion is not for informative purposes, but persuasive.
ut then it apparently contributed to the book being banned, which is a much stronger reaction than just people commenting on the internet.
There's nothing to support that.
Well, it’s exists, was submitted, and read into the record, so that kind of supports it. I’m not suggesting it’s the only input they considered, but we don’t have anything else, do we?
So what’s the alternative explanation? They flipped a coin? Or (more likely) they shared in this absurd stream of bigotry.
Well, we already know they’re afraid of counting.
It's the same as claiming a post on this site won the election for Biden in 2020.
I’m not suggesting it’s the only input they considered
There's no reason to believe it was considered at all. It was a submission to a local school board. I doubt the State school board goes through the minutes of every local school board and reads every citizen comment on every subject before a state board meeting.
So what’s the alternative explanation?
The State Board has a process to review all the potential textbooks and decided accordingly. That seems more likely than a single comment about a single book at a local school board causing the State to ban textbooks from publishers not even mentioned by the complaining parent.
No, it’s not. There were millions of comments on Biden. This one about the textbooks is the only one we are aware of. It’s not close to the same thing.
Yes, there is. It was read as part of the hearing held to consider keeping or banning the textbooks.
You can’t really believe there is a good reason for banning over 50 math books, can you?
This one about the textbooks is the only one we are aware of
So? That's no reason to believe it had anything to do with the ultimate decision by an entirely different governmental body. A lack of information doesn't mean it makes sense to attribute causality to whatever information you can find.
It’s not close to the same thing.
Close enough. It's a single comment in a venue that gains very little traction. Have you ever been to a local government meeting? do you imagine the people who go and submit their little diatribes to the Village Board are really affecting what the state decides on a statewide initiative?
We know it had zero effect. First, it was submitted to a local school board, not the state school board that actually decided which textbooks to permit. Second, the local school board agreed to purchase textbooks from the publisher the commenter objected to after the comment was read into the record. The problem arose when the State school board subsequently placed that particular textbook, as well others, on it's prohibited list.
The commenter failed to even influence her local board. How you can jump from the local board ignoring her to believing without any evidence that she caused the state to ban that textbook as well as others she didn't even mention is beyond me.
I'm still waiting to hear a good reason for banning 50+ math books that is different from the contents of this letter.
s till waiting to hear a good reason for banning 50+ math books that is different from the contents of this letter'
So you want to change the topic to speculation that can't be confirmed or rebutted?
Okay. Given the push to include CRT and racial equity concepts in math education, including from activist math teachers, I would guess textbook authors have bought into this sort of racialist thought to some extent. For instance, trying to implement concepts in this book:
". scholars expand the uses of CRT in mathematics education and share insights with stakeholders regarding the racialized experiences of mathematics students and educators."
Is banning the correct verb or is rejecting more accurate? The good news is that 78 math textbook submissions will be added to the state's adopted list. That's a lot of books to choice from and covers every core mathematics course and grade.
If this is true and teachers again can be sued for so-called ''teaching'' this forbidden language it will certainly help recruit qualified teachers to Florida where we currently have a large shortage of. Add to that we rate somewhere in the bottom five of average teacher salary nationwide I can't see any reason that we aren't overwhelmed with applications. /s
Other news outlets have the story as well, this is one from Florida with some more information
At first it sounds unlikely that math books would contain CRT or other left wing ideological brainwashing but when you consider who is usually in charge of choosing textbooks for schools in most states you can understand why publishers would think this could give their texts a competitive advantage.
Last I read, most textbooks were made in Texas.
The Texas School Book Commission which approves which text books are taught in Texas schools pretty much dictates what publishers offer. Nobody wants to write off that market...
Is that where they're manufactured or is it just the state with the laws publishers like the best so that's where they're incorporated. There are a lot of businesses registered in certain States strictly because of legal advantages but in reality their corporate footprint in that state is little more than a PO box and a lawyer.
Nobody wants to write off that market...
So state curriculum standards and testing are a farce, everyone only learns what Texas dictates?
Did I say that? I did not. Research it yourself...
No I read some of the article he linked to and it was about how different states used history books that "differed in minor, yet significant ways." I'm betting Texas wants at least a third of the text to be all about the Republic of Texas and at least two chapters on the Alamo.
It’a surprising that CA and NY market share can’t trump Texas.
Made for Texas. It's a huge market.
That's a separate class. Texas kids take a full year of Texas History.
Maybe they teach around the Texas text books.
Bigger than CA?
Textbooks are manufactured and marketed to comply with “common core” standards, which are used in 41 states. Texas is not one of the 41.
It’s “common core” standards that textbook manufacturers cater to, not Texas.
University of Texas Press handles huge printing activity.
You will be losing that bet.
Wow, we're fighting over what constitutes a fact now. Geez, should we allow facts to be . . . true? Hmm, maybe, maybe not. Let's have a lie be truer and even "truest" and teach lies to tomorrow's youth!
54 contaminated text books and not even one example?
I think it is highly unlikely that any of these books feature "critical race theory".
That comment sounds highly speculative. Could you maybe elaborate with links for us to research or are you just hoping that is the case?
Its not up to me to prove the books contain critical race theory, it is up to the ones that banned the books to prove their allegation. But you already know that.
Prohibited language:
“Jimmy and Henry are running in a ten mile race. If Jimmy runs four miles per hour but takes one ten minute break, and Henry runs five miles per hour but takes two ten minute breaks, who will win? What is more critical in this race, the speed at which they run or how many breaks they take?”
Florida suggested revision:
“Jimmy and Jamal are running a race to the fried chicken restaurant. Who will win?”
Thank you for your inane comment.
Thank you for your inane analysis of my comment.
Your "comment" was a joke with no redeeming qualities.
You're welcome to the truthful analysis of your "comment".
Whoever's hungriest
Until I see these books I find it highly unlikely, especially given the topic.
Same. If proven wrong so be it. As of now, I don't buy it.
Read the link in my comment 4 and you'll see the state won't give out the names/titles of the books.
Read my link in my comment 4 and you'll see that the state will not give out the names/titles of the books.
So your position is that the entire Florida DOE is lying about this?
Pretty arrogant on your part without having any proof.
My reading of Perrie's comment is that she prefers to be able to review evidence with her own eyes rather than take the partisan FDOE's word for it.
Pretty obtuse on your part.
My comment stands on its own. No need for your review.
Again, your opinion is worthless in this case as well.
As does Perrie's.
If you didn't want it reviewed, you shouldn't have posted it in an open forum.
Why do you and yours have the need to pretend that you've ALREADY stated something when you haven't?
Secondly, my opinion is just as worthy as yours.
never said it didn’t
one things for sure, you’ve got no say in the matter.
an equally worthless comment
see above ....
Nor do you have a say in whether I review it. That's how this shit works.
Actually, it's a question. Note the punctuation.
Again, obtuse.
You have a wonderful and Happy Easter there Dulay [deleted]
I know, some real angry people out there. Real angry which just gets enabled by NT. Better here than on a loved one I suppose
Well said and right on!
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No, no..you see, Sparty, this one only posts, according to her, facts.
No one is allowed to debunk or argue those "facts", as she deemed herself always correct.
Ah yes, the old, “truth is what I tell you it is” gambit.
Unfortunately, we see it almost constantly.
Yeah but not everywhere. Mainly in places like this and other social networks. Mass media as well.
Not so prolific face to face in the real world.
Is that similar to "alternative facts"?
No
As members can see, your cowardly comment contains no facts and makes no attempt to debunk anything.
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You sure? Seems like in the same class.
Yeah, pretty sure but hey. That’s just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Okay.
That's all they got ozz!
Typical! Every time they post
Yeah, but they like trying to pretend that opinions are the same as facts.
Exactly my thought, problem, with these 'articles', opinions presented as facts.
"Karen song" playing "Feeling" from the machines on NT.
"Karen" wears feelings again.
Lol ..... Karen’s report posts, the rest of us don’t. But hey don’t believe me, the proof shows here every day.
Look no further than this seed ..... this string.
It’s hilariously sophomoric and fun to watch.
You're here and on it. Whoopie doo! As for 'reporting' posts, only when it is necessary to maintain quality and integrity of our mutually shared 'environment.' You conservatives just can't come here and "nuh-uh," spin, and do stealth 'combat' without being made to take some responsibility for insincerity.
Looks like the debate is petering out. Expect the race card to be played at any moment now.
lol .... alrighty then. When is the last time you reported a left leaning post that impinged on the “quality and integrity” of the environment? No need to answer that because because the answer is rarely if ever.
That said, I’ll remind you once again. Free speech is easy when you agree with it. It only gets difficult when you don’t.
A concept many here can’t truly grasp. Their style is more 1984ish.
They should own it.
I’ll see that and raise you one insulting of intelligence accusation
"Physician" heal thyself!
Matthew 7:1-3
Matthew 7:24. I am judging conservatives according to demonstrable error. That is, these 'games' conservatives are playing around with in the lives of their fellow peers, not subordinates.
Lol .... yeah I’m sure you really do believe that. Meanwhile the left’s targeted totalitarianism on others is right as rain with you.
The hypocrisy and arrogance at play there is astounding!
I like the actions that the state of Florida and its education department are taking on this issue. Yet again Florida is the shining example to be emulated and copied by the rest of America. Texas does a great job on education standards as well. I also like that Tennessee is bringing in Hillsdale College to set up charter schools to prevent CRT and promote 1776 instead of 1619 propaganda.
Hillsdale .... great college!
They're doing their damndest to whitewash history!
Well since Florida is rated 16th, Tennessee is rated 31st. and Texas is rated 35th, your assessment is obtuse.
BTFW, Florida is 34th in Math scores.
Failing schools are to be emulated!
Is that an example of an opinion presented as a fact that you that you previously mentioned?
BTFW, Florida is 34th in Math scores.
BTFW, the US is ranked 31 out of 79 countries in math literacy. We haven't improved in twenty years.
Perhaps because we're too fucking busy making sure cartoons have genders.
That's a new and unique explanation.
Examples she cited in her letter, which were not read publicly, include a cartoon character “that is clearly gender-neutral;”
My grandmother called it, "Stirring around in old shit." Oh yes, she did. She really did!
So for the doubters here: If it's not going on, what harm is there in outlawing it?
Because it’s Elephant Repellant.
Politicians - already a species inclined to be full of shit - shouldn’t be allowed to bamboozle the electorate by trying to convince them they are being saved from a non-existent threat.
That's all today's and yesterday's republicans have given and continue to give - saving us from a non-existent threat or something they created.
“The Florida Department of Education rejected 54 math textbooks from its curriculum on Friday…The highest number of books rejected were for grade levels K-5,”
That’s a large variety of math books for 6 grades. So much for the theory that Texas controls the school text book market and selects what the nation’s children use.
I imagine every state or city rejects most books for some reason or other. There all a lot of textbooks available that cover the same subjects and in most schools even if you're in an advanced 8th grade class you're just using the same textbook as lower level 12th graders so how many math books does a school system really need. When they choose certain books they automatically reject others in the same way you do when you buy one shirt from a store that has hundreds of shirt styles and colors.
No, California has its own standards too that are largely diametrically opposed to Texas standards so the rest of the country has two standards to choose from and it looks like Florida is junking the Ca model for the Texas one. So, like almost everything else, education in America will be a red/blue divide. California actually passed a law banning the Texas curriculum in the state because they knew most of the rural districts here would openly adopt them instead of just leaving things out from common core that we don’t like. And they were right since most people in the rural counties openly side with Arizona, Texas, Florida when against California when cultural and urban economic issue issues between them come up.
I'm sorry. This is the pits. We, all of us ought to be ashamed. We look around the world at countries that can't get their collective shit together no matter how they try. And we-sitting in the lap of diversity, housing the collective beating hearts of the world's host, are sitting around indulgently ripping that collective heart out one vein at a time. It's perversion. It's sick. It's insufferable. Evidently, we have more success in our national experiment than we deserve and now we need to rip up the social contract and fall to the rear of the stacking order of nations.
You've got that right CB. Our students are well behind much of the world in math.
American students struggle in math. I read that US students ranked 31 out of 79 countries in math and our scores have remained flat for 20 years.
Our lousy performance begs the question, are the 30 countries that out scored us teaching math differently?
Given our flat performance, it seems that Common Core has failed us in math.
What is failing the US is arrogance, stupidity, and being irresponsible . We should be damn ashamed of it too. But, they are not. Instead, setting the country back to a 'simpler' time when lies, delusions, and corruption dominated society is what some of our citizenry considers a return to better times. Times when 'they' say they didn't know any better, but now wish and intend to 'go back'! Dumb butts.
And yes, on an incremental and escalating scale, everything is going to pass us if we don't stop 'navel gazing' at dumb shit delusions and misinformation as a form of reality! People can only wait so long, before they drop our 'brand' in the shitcan of life and start thinking for themselves how to get along without the US. That is, their nations can do bad all by themselves! Just keep the talent they have 'at home.'
Isn't rather amazing that we started going downhill on education only after we formed a new government department-the Dept. of Education?
What's that old saying about how government could fuck up almost anything?
The idea that “Math” would be used to push some narrative other than the pure essence of what “Math” represents, is as disgusting as it gets. Unconscionable actually.
Math, like all STEM is all about education and not indoctrination.
No other way to look at it.
Maybe you can offer some sort of proof that these textbooks contain "woke" material. No one else has been able to yet.
No need to.
If it is as you say and no proof exists, if books get removed, you’ve lost nothing since there is nothing there.
Whats the problem?
It is amazing what serves as logic on the right.
This article is proof. Why don't you refute it?
It is amazing what serves as logic on the right. This bears repeating.
Sparty - that's not so.
C'mon - DeSantos signed a bill into law where you can't say "gay" 'cuz your gonna hurt somebody's feelings.
BUT - everyone knows that math is nothing but "gay". I mean - x + x = 2x - y + y = 2y - one male plus one male equals two gay males - one female plus one female equals two lesbians.
That's the simple part.
Now, look at 2x + 2x = 4x - 2y + 2y = 4y - homosexual parties getting ready to start. Can't you just see x squared plus y squared leads up to an orgy. How 'bout tan and cotan or sin or cosin? Yo have one tan or sin having dependency issues so they have to get a partner ("co") to help them walk the axis roads.
Hell yeah - nothing but sexual references throughout the entire math book - jeeezzzzz Louise - how can you be so blind as to not seeing that?
What to do when you know that one time won't be effective:
Lather, rinse, repeat
Just curious - what does “effective” mean in the context of NT?
On what page is that in this 7 page legislation?
You need to define it for you, as you wrote, "This bears repeating".
Your posts would be far more effective if they made sense.
One suspects they make a lot of internal sense.
The Trevor Project condemned the signing of the bill saying the bill erases "LGBTQ identity, history, and culture — as well as LGBTQ students themselves. "
The group also critiqued the policy's parental notification requirements. The law requires parents to be the first to be notified of any health or support services offered to their kids in school and allows them the chance to deny those services on behalf of their children.
The Trevor Project says these provisions, "appear to undermine LGBTQ support in schools and include vague parental notification requirements, which could effectively require teachers to 'out' LGBTQ students to their legal guardians without their consent, regardless of whether they are supportive."
Amit Paley, CEO & Executive Director of The Trevor Project, said in a statement that, "While I am saddened to see this harmful bill signed into law, I am inspired by the outpouring of support for LGBTQ students we have seen from parents, teachers, celebrities, and their peers. Social support is vital for suicide prevention, and I want to remind LGBTQ youth in Florida and across the country that you are not alone."
On Monday, a spokesperson said in a statement that the company hopes the law is repealed or struck down in court.
"Florida's HB 1557, also known as the 'Don't Say Gay' bill , should never have passed and should never have been signed into law," the statement read. "Our goal as a company is for this law to be repealed by the legislature or struck down in the courts, and we remain committed to supporting the national and state organizations working to achieve that."
Ya need to catch up with what's happening in the world.
Nah but what is pretty amazing is the disinformation and propaganda many on the left expect to get away with.
Cue the requisite accusation about how much smarter liberals are .....
Exactly, it’s outrageous that a school needs to notify parents when providing health aid to children. What are those wacky parents thinking?
would be far more effective if they made sense
Alas, I'm dependent on the receiver.
So you missed the 'out' LGBTQ students to their legal guardians without their consent, regardless of whether they are supportive' part of that block quote?
Or is it your posit that it SHOULD be Florida school's duty to put LGBTQ students in harms way?
Of course not, receiving gender identity counseling at 12 isn't as dangerous as giving a child the aspirin that requires parental notification. The school workers are paid professionals, unlike the wacky parents.
LOL!
WTF are you blathering about?
Outing an LGBTQ student has NOTHING to do with 'gender identity counseling'. Stop deflecting.
It's estimated that about 40% of LGBT kids are rejected by their 'wacky parents'. Do you propose that schools do the same?
He is good ....
Seems to have struck QUITE the nerve there!
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This law is a result of Clay County school officials hiding that a 12-year-old girl was receiving mental health and gender identity counseling for months and only informed the parents after the child attempted suicide in the school bathroom on two separate occasions.
In Jan, her parents were called to come to the school, when they arrived they saw their daughter being placed into the back of a police car to go to the hospital for involuntary examination under Florida’s “Baker Act” law. The Baker Act allows law enforcement and certain health officials to initiate a mental health examination in the event a person is an imminent risk to herself or others based on apparent mental illness.
School officials allegedly defended their actions by invoking “confidentiality rules” to justify not including the parents in the previous counseling sessions.
The school handled it all so well the child tried to commit suicide.
Source?
Yet there is documentation of Maria Perez informing the school counselor of her child had expressed gender dysphoria and stating that she encouraged the child to 'take the lead' about what pronoun should be used and stated that the counselor could decide which school staff to inform.
Hence, the couselor spoke to the kid and followed his wishes and informed the 'need to know' staff.
It's also a fact that the child had attempted suicide for the first time, the day before, the parents were informed of that incident and yet, they sent their child to school the next day anyway.
Guess your sources didn't include those important little tid bits of information.
Why don't you provide it then?
WTF do YOU care Greg?
4 in 10 LGBT youth are rejected by family - Search (bing.com)
4 in 10 LGBT youth are rejected by family
Your survey has a of adults, not youth and includes rejection by friends. On bad friend gets lands you in the reject pile. You don’t know how many LGBT youth are rejected by family.
Show us your sources as I can’t find them. Mine includes:
I posted a search result, not a survey.
so no facts, ty.
Did you miss the part in your second source that states that 'the student suicide at school twice in as many days'?
BTW, the Perez lawsuit isn't the only one that resulted in the law. The other was filed by January and Jeffery Littlejohn. I got Perez and Littlejohn mixed up since they claim the same bullshit.
Family Files Federal Lawsuit Against Leon County School Board over Gender Policy – Tallahassee Reports
Did you miss the part in your second source that states that 'the student suicide at school twice in as many days'?
No, point?
Who is this Perez that you keep mentioning? Any link to her?
You posted an erroneous assertion with any backing.
Obtuse.
The mother of the child you pretend to be so worried about. Is that a close enough link?
Some read past the first link provided, some are too lazy.
Guess everyone's "sense of humor" got whooshed over on this one.
Ah well.
Funny but not applicable in this case.
Find a Far Side that lampoons trying to use “woke” issues to teach “math” and then you’ll be cooking with propane.
Not Far Side, but still:
Lol .... sounds about right
Teachers unions and radical academia finally got caught. Too bad it took a Pandemic for it to happen.
Cancel culture.
According to many on the left it isn’t there.
How can you cancel something that doesn’t exist?
That would be a neat trick .....
almost as neat as getting a reasonable explanation
I’m not convinced you can put CRT in a math book. That makes no sense.
We need a list of the books and of the objectionable content. Perhaps some enterprising journalist can accomplish something via some kind of records request.
Otherwise, I wouldn’t be surprised if the whole thing had been made up by the governor’s office to make people think he’s doing something for them.
I doubt both sides of this debate would agree about what is and isn’t CRT related or overly woke.
I mean all could probably agree word problems with apples, oranges or trains are pretty neutral. Cars as well unless they go to the trouble of pointing out something like a pair of lesbians are driving one and a pair of oppressed African Americans were driving the other.
I suspect it’s something like that.
Or one driving a Lincoln while the other is driving a VW or Yugo.
"The National Council of Supervisors of Mathematics (NCSM) and TODOS: Mathematics for ALL (TODOS) ratify
social justice as a key priority in the access to, engagement with, and advancement in mathematics education for our
country’s youth."
INTERESTING. I will have to read this more closely in the coming days. I want to get a sense of what all the 'rage' is! Thanks Sean.
How difficult and upsetting can it be to students who are first time learners to be instructed in understanding life, sciences, and math factually and in a real world sense? Oh, right, conservatives have a NEED for something to combat and act as a foil against. Instead of being human- because we are humans after all, instead of displaying feelings-because we are emotional creatures. Just be 'dogs' and 'cats' and vicious jackasses towards others and the education processes. Afterall, being 'dicks' toward people you can raise up for the next generation by telling them to shut off their care and concerns for one another is 'manly' and 'womanly' as its been defined for thousands of years - right?
Let's not change it. Although it is our country together and we can change it for the better anytime we want! Only conservatives wouldn't want to be better as people, right?
Can you ever post without lashing out at the evil conservatives?
Tell us.
Maybe seeing idiotic stuff like what is posted in 11.1.2 is confusing the hell out of them, upsetting them and the like.
I wouldn't be surprised if Florida were to ban Oreo cookies. It's bad enough to see DeSantis vs Mickey Mouse.
Just read this..
Things that make you go Hmmm.
I must have been mistaken, I thought that I read that books from McGraw Hill LLC and Savvas Learning Company LLC were included in those accepted for K-5.
Youngkin ran and won on something that wasn't being taught! Don't that beat all!
Elections rarely are won on the basis of a single issue and VA was no exception.,
McAuliffe is well known here as a rabid, partisan animal. He also put his foot in his mouth with “I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.” Without this statement, that he didn't walk back, education wouldn't have become this issue that it did.
McAuliffe kept trying to tie Youngkin to Trump but forgot to tell voters what he would do as governor again. He also had Biden's unpopularity as a drag on his campaign.
The delay on passing the infrastructure bill as Dem's held it hostage to BBB may also have hurt.
Humorous reasons FL is challenging the cancelled books.
"Here in the great state of Florida, we are committed to protecting our children from any and all forms of indoctrination, and math is no exception. These are the mathematical concepts we find objectionable based on the dangers they pose to children:
Calculus: We stand firmly against any field of mathematics that requires integration.
Multiplication: We believe only certain numbers should be allowed to multiply with one another.
Polygons: We reject the notion that anything can have more than one side.
Order of Operations: The mnemonic Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally is reverse racism. Nobody should have to apologize just because their relative was in the United Daughters of the Confederacy.
The Number Zero: All numbers are either positive or negative. That’s just basic math.
Subtraction: It’s wrong to subtract a fractional number from another number before it has become whole.
Set Theory: We oppose any concept that recognizes the “simple majority” or “plurality” of a group.
Equal Signs: We believe in equality, obviously. Just not the way they’re doing it.
Prime Numbers: The only prime number the State of Florida recognizes is 17—the age at which a woman is in her prime.
Functions: We’re against anything that requires getting input first before it can be executed.
Gradients: We believe all slopes are slippery.
Square Roots: No mathematical concept that encourages using radical symbols should ever be taught in schools.
Mathematical Proofs: We don’t think any assertion requires “proof.”
Limits of Exponential Functions: Powers should not have any limits.
Non-Binary Operations, the Transitive Property, Cis(x), and Homogeneous Spaces: You’re not allowed to say any of these words in Florida.
Division: This one is OK with us."
That's clever.
Here's a little update
The state of Florida has released four examples from textbooks it has rejected from its school system amid concerns over the promotion of Critical Race Theory and common core principles.
"Based on the volume of requests the Department has received for examples of problematic elements of the recently reviewed instructional materials, the following are examples provided to the department by the public and presented no conflict in sharing them," the Florida Department of Education wrote in a disclaimer along with screenshots from the rejected textbooks. "These examples do not represent an exhaustive list of input received by the Department. The Department is continuing to give publishers the opportunity to remediate all deficiencies identified during the review to ensure the broadest selection of high quality instructional materials are available to the school districts and Florida’s students."
In one of the screenshots, the text describes the Implicit Association Test which measures levels of "racial prejudice" while displaying a graph suggesting conservatives are more inclined to be racially biased.
Thread is getting to be too much of a history session - which I love
But -
Gonna shut it down but not before I thank all of you for your comments and thoughts.
Truly interesting.