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Arnold Schwarzenegger delivers a message

  
By:  Ender  •  Video  •  2 weeks ago  •  211 comments

Arnold Schwarzenegger delivers a message
My message to my fellow Americans and friends around the world following this week's attack on the Capitol.

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Ender
1  author  Ender    2 weeks ago

Go Arnold. Terminate the lies.

 
 
 
devangelical
1.1  devangelical  replied to  Ender @1    2 weeks ago

cool. too bad the traitor in chief isn't on twitter to provoke him and then get his ass kicked.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @1.1    2 weeks ago

Yeah, Arnold probably isn't just some tough internet guy, he is a real man in real life!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
1.1.2  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    2 weeks ago

He'd kick Trump's ass intellectually, too.  Even in his second language, which he speaks better than Trump does.

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

That's possible.

 
 
 
Suz
1.1.4  Suz  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.1    one week ago

I think it's funny how in the past, Democrats couldn't bad-mouth him enough times, but now...

 
 
 
Ender
1.1.5  author  Ender  replied to  Suz @1.1.4    one week ago

I don't think I ever bad mouthed him. Even if someone did, so what. One can agree with some things and not others.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Suz @1.1.4    one week ago
I think it's funny how in the past, Democrats couldn't bad-mouth him enough

No... actually... they didn't.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.7  CB   replied to  Ender @1.1.5    one week ago
One can agree with some things and not others.

Bifurcation is a reasonable thing.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.1.6    one week ago

I don't recall badmouthing Arnold in the past.  He's not your typical republican.  I think he should have kept it in his pants regarding him and the housekeeper or whatever.  Otherwise, I've always liked him.  

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
1.1.9  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.8    one week ago

They may be thinking of Benedict Arnold. There has been considerable criticism of him.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @1    2 weeks ago

A wonderful speech. Very informative as well as uplifting. No lies, just the plain truth, something that seems to be so hard for so many to accept.

Many of Trumps' supporters have now had their eyes cleared to the truth of what kind of person he really is, I can't call him a man, as he is only one due to his gender, and they can see now that they have been used by him to do his dirty work and put their own lives on the line while he sat safely in the WH to enjoy watching the insurrection on the TV like the rest of the world. And many have, and will be be, thrown under to bus by Trump, and some will do the time Trump deserves, and/or they will lose their jobs, and their names will go down in the history books as traitors to their country. That is their reward for believing Trumps lies.

You can bet on January 20, 2021 there will be no quarter given to anyone who tries to attack the Inauguration proceedings as was given on January 6, 2021. And terrorist who believes that will be the case will be in for a perhaps fatal encounter. 

 
 
 
MalamuteMan
2  MalamuteMan    2 weeks ago

WOW!!! That was so well said. Bravo, Arnold.

We need more Republicans to voice their opposition to this out of control temper tantrum.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3  Ronin2    2 weeks ago

Poor Arnold, I was laughing so hard by the end of it.

He was trying to be so damn serious. Trying to compare the Night of Broken Glass to what happened in DC. Trying to compare Nazi Germany to the US.

This wasn't a coup by any definition of the word. This was a bunch of mostly peaceful protesters, with a few outside far left agitators, that provoked a riot. (Does that sound stupid enough lefties? After hearing that shit for five years have you finally caught on how dumb that sounds? There were no outside alt right agitators provoking riots in Chicago, Seattle, Portland, NY, or any other leftist bastion of stupidity.)

If taking over blocks of Portland and Seattle; blocking highways and roads; and vandalizing and destroying Federal buildings, statues, and monuments isn't a coup- then this wasn't either.

The only reason you are upset is that it wasn't your far left Brown Shirts causing the destruction this time around.

As for Arnold, he should stick to what he is still somewhat good at. Low budget action and comedy movies; and being a typical RINO. Also, he should take a few history lessons. Just a suggestion.

 
 
 
devangelical
3.1  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago
a few outside far left agitators, that provoked a riot, There were no outside alt right agitators provoking riots in Chicago, Seattle, Portland, NY, or any other leftist bastion

another load of bullshit trumpster seditionists made up to justify their idiot insurrection

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  devangelical @3.1    2 weeks ago

Indeed. There were no "leftists" involved in what happened on the 6th. It was ALL trump supporters. Assigning blame only proves that these seditionists know what they did was wrong. If they felt like they were doing the right thing, they would have happily owned what they did. Nothing but criminals, every last one of them. Todd Starnes openly pushed the conspiracy theory that all, (not some, ALL), of the people attacking the capital on the 6th were AntiFa and BLM protesters. Nearly pissed myself laughing. 

I can only imagine what the right wing would have said if armed leftists attempted to overthrow the government after the 2016 election. There would have been investigations for decades. People like Starnes and Hannity, (on Twitter), are complaining that Trump is being judged too harshly for trying to overthrow the government. Trump asked them to do this, even said he would march with the traitors, but of course, he didn't. "Too harshly"? Trump should be tried and jailed for the rest of his pathetic life. 

Arnold is right, 100% spot on. Never agreed with his politics much, but on this point, he is absolutely right. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.1    2 weeks ago

The California GOP is probably meeting right now to discuss censoring him...

 
 
 
Ender
3.1.3  author  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

I bet Nunes is having a cow.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Like the AZ GOP censured Cindy McCain.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

Clinging to his shiny new medal....

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.6  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

The California GOP is probably meeting right now to discuss censoring him...

Maybe

 
 
 
CB
3.1.7  CB   replied to  Split Personality @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Arnold isn't running for any thing right now that I know. My word! Last I saw he was in the mid-west at one of his 'entities' and promotions.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  CB @3.1.7    2 weeks ago

Neither is Cindy McCain, but the Arizona GOP has voted to censure her.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.8    2 weeks ago

Hold that thought.  They're debating on it.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.9    2 weeks ago

Party purity, ala 1936

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

Can a former governor even be censored?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.1.12  sandy-2021492  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.11    2 weeks ago

By the party itself, yes.  They make their own rules.  Cindy McCain has never held office, but they're thinking about censuring her.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @3.1    one week ago

If you can't recognized plainly spelled out sarcasm it isn't my fault. Try reading the full quote.

I was using the lefts' own logic against them.

This was a bunch of mostly peaceful protesters, with a few outside far left agitators, that provoked a riot. (Does that sound stupid enough lefties? After hearing that shit for five years have you finally caught on how dumb that sounds? There were no outside alt right agitators provoking riots in Chicago, Seattle, Portland, NY, or any other leftist bastion of stupidity.)

The sole blame for the riot in DC rest with the rioters. Just like in Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NY, and everywhere else rest with the rioters. There were no disguised or invisible outside agitators from either side.

As for sedition and insurrection BS- the left in this country wouldn't know what that was unless they were really in the middle of one. They didn't have enough people to seize power. They didn't have enough weapons. They sure as hell didn't have any plan of action. They didn't secure any surrounding structures. They didn't immobilize the police or national guard. How the hell were they going to hold anything? Where was the takeover of the rest of the country? Think taking DC would any way stop the rest of the US from coming in to take them out? Who was going to take over the government? Trump? He fled. The Republicans in Congress- they fled as well. They didn't seize one damn member of the Democrats or Republicans there. They got some stupid selfies and photo ops for their time; and are now facing serious federal charges.

Maybe the left needs to look at a real coup like the Obama backed one in Ukraine.

As for Arnold- my statement stands. He may have witnessed the aftermath; but he wasn't around for the start of it. There is no comparing the two.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.1.12    one week ago

I doubt either would lose any sleep over it.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago
This wasn't a coup by any definition of the word.

original

Just your average tourist... carrying wrist-restraints in the US Congress...

This was an attempted coup.

It was treason.

Calling it anything else is being "an accessory after the fact" for TREASON!

Your post is treason.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    2 weeks ago

This USMC Vet claims he "found" the zip ties on the floor and was going to find a janitor to return them to,

or an uncompromised Capital Police Officer.....or an uninjured police officer who showed any interest...

Another USMC Vet, one Mr. Ochs, also a Trump campaign officer in HI, also the leader of the Hawaiian Proud Boys

( arrested as he deplaned in HI )  claims to be a professional photographer who was just documenting the Capital "rally"

from inside the building.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Well... at least he has the courage of his convictions...

/s

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
3.2.3  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Lost:

Several adult sized wrist restraints.  Please return to Proud Boy dressed as antifa pretending to be Proud Boy.

 
 
 
CB
3.2.4  CB   replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    2 weeks ago

It is being reported he is an air force veteran, who got the ties from a 'box' in the security area of the House police. Also, he is 'so sorry' now for his role in getting up that morning and joining in this.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  CB @3.2.4    2 weeks ago

56

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.6  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    2 weeks ago
Calling it anything else is being "an accessory after the fact" for TREASON!

So, expressing an opinion is Treason. Welcome to the Third Reich, the Soviet Union, and the People's Republic, all in one.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.2.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.6    2 weeks ago

Trump is going to be sworn in on the 20th?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.6    2 weeks ago

If you want to defend traitors, that's your look-out. To my mind, that makes you an accessory to treason.

 
 
 
Tacos!
3.2.9  Tacos!  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.8    2 weeks ago

I didn't defend anything. You're the one who said "calling it" something was Treason. Just light the First Amendment on fire, why dontcha.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.2.7    2 weeks ago

Sworn in no....sworn at YES!

 
 
 
Suz
3.2.11  Suz  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2    one week ago

Don't start throwing out ridiculous accusations that have no merit. 

It's a discussion.   Keep your temper in check and don't make trouble for Perrie.

 
 
 
Suz
3.2.12  Suz  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.6    one week ago
So, expressing an opinion is Treason. Welcome to the Third Reich, the Soviet Union, and the People's Republic, all in one.

I agree.  They are losing it.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.2.8    one week ago
ant to defend traitors, that's your look-out. To my mind, that makes you an accessory to treason

Comrade Vyshinsky has entered the building. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.2.14  Bob Nelson  replied to  Suz @3.2.11    one week ago

There's a line between expressing an opinion and inciting sedition. Justifying the guy with the wrist-ties ("This wasn't a coup by any definition of the word") is sedition.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
3.2.15  SteevieGee  replied to  Tacos! @3.2.9    one week ago

:You can't have the First Amendment without also having Article II.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.3  Kavika   replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago

That is a very ignorant comment, Ronin. Before you start calling people ''Brown Shirts'' [deleted]

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.3.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  Kavika @3.3    one week ago

Hello old friend! And friends. It's with great sorrow I drop in on you after so long an absence other than 2 posts in the last few weeks to Gordy. Sorrow and downright spitting mad at these Trump fools who drank so much propaganda tit led to them throwing away their lives for a cult leader. I just had to get away from this shitshow here and yet, it came to our Capitol in the worst way possible. I don't want to read the rightwinger's excuses here as this is not over and we all need to be very careful of these traitors. Those who support sedition of democracy by proxy or those who physically engaged in this insurrection. We ALL knew it was coming. We all knew they were falling in cult mentality. And here we are.  We shall survive though. They DO NOT have this only in their feeble twisted minds. 

I'll check in again before long. Trump and his cesspool will be gone very soon and we can get to a witch hunt of the likes the world has never seen! This will all come unraveling and we will rid the seditionist assholes amongst us. They will pay for this. I can't imagine losing my freedom, my gun rights, my voting rights because I didn't like the democratic process. We didn't even do this when we know damn well Trump is a Russian plant.  

I do not know how we ever forgive but I know I'm not about to play nice to seditionists, I don't care how much they were misled, they made choices. Play with fire, you're going to get burnt! 

I hope and trust you all have been well! I think about you often. Had to share my 2 cents. 

Stay safe! these guys think they're still going to manage a coup with their big scary weapons. *rolls eyes

 
 
 
Suz
3.3.2  Suz  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.3.1    one week ago
I'll check in again before long. Trump and his cesspool will be gone very soon and we can get to a witch hunt of the likes the world has never seen! This will all come unraveling and we will rid the seditionist assholes amongst us. They will pay for this. I can't imagine losing my freedom, my gun rights, my voting rights because I didn't like the democratic process. We didn't even do this when we know damn well Trump is a Russian plant.  

OMG!!!!  Who's drinking the flavor-aid now??? 

They'll pay?  Sounds like a credible threat to me.  I'll have to go out and buy guns and ammo or perhaps I can get a proper list from ANITFA along with Proud Boys and BLM.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.  I have never threatened anyone in my entire life, but you people seem to be quite the professionals.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @3.3.2    one week ago
They'll pay?

Sounds like Robin thinks those who engaged in sedition will be subject to penalty under law, as they should be.  How is that a threat she should be ashamed of?  

 
 
 
Sunshine
3.3.4  Sunshine  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.3.1    one week ago
we can get to a witch hunt of the likes the world has never seen!

I have no doubt the nutters would do that. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.5  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.3    one week ago

It was misleading. When you say things like that, you should be more specific. The comment sounded like something a extremist would say. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.5    one week ago

Sure, if somebody is determined to read it that way.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.7  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.6    one week ago

It was more like, Wow. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.8  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.7    one week ago

Yes, I suppose, if someone chooses to ignore context, such as

I can't imagine losing my freedom, my gun rights, my voting rights because I didn't like the democratic process.

and also were determined to disagree with a post condemning sedition just because one is on the same side of the political aisle as the seditionist, a post calling for those seditionists to be might be alarming, if one were determined to find them so.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.9  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.8    one week ago

Calling “right wingers” traitors, does that mean the whole Republican Party? I am a Republican, does that mean I am a traitor?

You can be a Republican and not support what happened in the capital. I didn’t. Does she think the seditionists are the people in the capital? Or does she think it’s all Republicans. 

My beef was with the generalization of the post, not that she wanted the seditionists charged as criminals to the full extent of the law. That’s what she meant right? Which I agree they should be. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.10  JohnRussell  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.3    one week ago

A day or two ago someone made the observation that the "conservatives" here work overtime and go out of their way to distract, confuse, change the subject and generally try to run out the clock on some of these topics. Rarely do we see them answer for Trump's misdeeds is a plain , straightforward way.  It's always something to do with how THEIR feelings are hurt by someone accusing conservatives and Republicans of being too Trumpish. 

There is not going to be any "reconciliation" at this rate. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.11  Kathleen  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.10    one week ago

No, especially with your comment. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
3.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.11    one week ago

I'd rather tell you the truth than give you false hope. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.9    one week ago
Calling “right wingers” traitors, does that mean the whole Republican Party?

I didn't see her do that.  She said she didn't want to read the rightwingers' excuses, as she feels that excusing sedition makes them guilty of it by proxy.  If you're not making excuses for the riot, this isn't aimed at you, so no need to assume a victim role.  Surely you don't deny that there are some RWers here either denying or excusing sedition, right?

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.14  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.13    one week ago

Sedition is a crime, I think you would have to ask them if they agree with that. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.9    one week ago
My beef was with the generalization of the post

You object to generalizations, but you voted up this comment elsewhere.

They clearly have their lips firmly planted on the Democrat's smelly asses.

Your extremely selective outrage is noted.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.16  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.15    one week ago

Yes, because sedition is a crime and not all people agree with that including me and I do not want to be lumped with that generalization. The other comment is not a crime, plus I agreed with it. 

Nice try...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.3.17  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @3.3.10    one week ago

Just curious as to why you believe that conservatives have to answer for something Trump does?

Do you hold others responsible for something they didn't do themselves?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.18  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.16    one week ago
The other comment is not a crime, plus I agreed with it. 

Neither is speaking out in support of sedition, but some people here have done so.

So, you agree with some nasty, unsubstantiated generalizations based on political affiliations, but object to other generalizations when you want to play victim by including yourself in them?  You seem to want others to play by a different set of rules than the ones you and your friends play by.

I mean, I notice that you have no objection to "you should all be ashamed of yourselves" in Suz's response to ONE person.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.19  Kathleen  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.18    one week ago

Nice try again, but I am sticking to my comments. Voting up a comment like that and what happened at the capital are not the same. The comment was nasty, but not anything like the violence that happened Wednesday. As for “friends” you vote up them up as well. No victim here, just making sure I am separated from some of the comments here. 

What she said about ashamed? People are going to have to decide for themselves on that one. 

Sorry but I have work in the morning.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.3.20  sandy-2021492  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.19    one week ago
Voting up a comment like that and what happened at the capital are not the same.

Nobody said they were.

just making sure I am separated from some of the comments here. 

Nobody said you weren't.

What she said about ashamed? People are going to have to decide for themselves on that one. 

Even though it's a comment that lumps people together?  Something to which you object when you feel it happens to you?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
3.3.21  SteevieGee  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.9    one week ago
Calling “right wingers” traitors, does that mean the whole Republican Party? I am a Republican, does that mean I am a traitor?

I'm a Democrat.  Lots of Democrats have views that are very different from mine.  It's a big party and very diverse.  The Republican Party has changed dramatically.  It's now Trump's party.  If you disagree with Trump they will try to destroy you.  People are now leaving the party in droves.  Are you a traitor?  That's entirely up to you.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.3.22  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.3.1    one week ago

I remember you.  Welcome back.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.23  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @3.3.2    one week ago

GOP Congressman Told Crowd To 'Lightly Threaten' Lawmakers: 'I'm Coming After You'

Ed Mazza
· Overnight Editor, HuffPost
Tue, January 12, 2021, 12:50 AM EST

Rep.   Madison Cawthorn   (R-N.C.) last month urged the crowd at a conservative gathering to “ lightly threaten ” lawmakers ahead of the certification of the presidential election results.

Cawthorn, speaking at a Turning Point USA event on Dec. 21, said he would help raise money for primary challengers to Republicans who don’t join the right-wing effort the subvert the will of the voters.

According to The Charlotte Observer , he told the crowd:

“Call your congressman and feel free, you can lightly threaten them and say, you know what, if you don’t start supporting election integrity, I’m coming after you, Madison Cawthorn is coming after you, everybody’s coming after you.”

The comments are drawing renewed attention after last week’s deadly violence as supporters of President   Donald Trump   attacked the U.S. Capitol in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying President-elect   Joe Biden ’s victory.

The freshman lawmaker also spoke at the rally that preceded the attack, where he denounced his House colleagues as “cowards,” lied about the election results and declared: “ Wow, this crowd has some fight in it ” shortly before the mob engaged in actual fighting at the Capitol.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.24  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @3.3.2    one week ago

You should be ashamed of yourself - going around NT and tossing around your accusations.  

You accused me of something the other day - something about cryptic comments (whatever that means), comments that shouldn't be made (I posted a photo of a lot of the tRump mob in the Capitol), comments that were banned I think you said and that you were looking into having them removed  - had no idea what you were talking about then.

You go around accusing people of a lot of shit.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.25  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.7    one week ago

I took Suz's comment as more like 'Wow'

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.3.26  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.19    one week ago

If you choose to take offense to it, that's on you.

 
 
 
Kathleen
3.3.27  Kathleen  replied to  SteevieGee @3.3.21    one week ago

The Republican Party is also a large party with different views and no.. I absolutely do not consider myself a traitor. To be honest, only an idiot would falsely accuse someone of it without any grounds and facts. I am only referring to myself. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.3.28  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @3.3.27    one week ago
The Republican Party is also a large party with different views 

No. It once was, but today it is Trump's personal plaything.

I absolutely do not consider myself a traitor. 

If you support Trump, you're supporting a traitor.

It doesn't matter what you consider yourself. What matters is what a court might make of you words and deeds. That court might be "of public opinion"... or it might be a criminal court.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.3.29  NV-Robin6  replied to  Suz @3.3.2    one week ago

You are the one drinking the Qoolaid Suz if you thought for one second I threatened you directly or anyone here. I am talking about the seditionists and said so. IF you actively played in any roll of the insurrection of the Capitol, then count yourself amongst those I want to see prosecuted, lose all liberties and in Gitmo for 30 years. BLM did NOT do this, Antifa did NOT do this. The mainly white supramacists amongst you did. They hate POC of having a say in democracy and are willing to burn it all down. Equal justice and this country, they think and say consistently, belongs to them solely. We call BULLSHIT! 

I never agreed with anyone protesting doing so by any harm to others directly or by looting or burning buildings. I do know I've seen enough evidence that convinces me white supremacists were as much to blame for all that that POC rising to bring light to a horrible injustice we are paying in this country by racists who crawled out from under their rocks since Obama came to front stage. I will not now, or ever tolerate the intolerable or try to understand how ANYONE ever falls victim to that regressive mindset. This isn't about economics, its about culture wars.  I'm sick of POC dying by the hands of white cops. I'm sick of whites lynching and hating on POC daily. Including I hate bad cops.  I don't hate all cops because of it, most ARE good. But, BLM protests are NOT the same as trying to overthrow your government.  

This KKK rise is not all on Donald Trump, he just used them as a platform because he's a fascist piece of shit Hitler wannabe. He is the symptom, but he is not the cause. He recognized after his birtherism bullshit, he could capitalize on the systemic racism that reared it's ugly head. He recognized how to use the militarized religious bigots which has been brewing for many years before he came along to help inflame because they're the easiest of targets. They are already living in a cultist mindset.  Unfortunately, it wasn't all this that brought Trump to power, it runs much higher up the food chain as this is coming to light. 

As to the GOP, and anyone involved with them after all this, can go screw themselves. No moral courgage, no moral compass. You will never gain my respect again for being part of the problem rather than the solution. When I say you're going down, it means your party as a whole. You think we Dems/Indies were mad before and came out in droves for the vote, you ain't seen nothing yet. May take a few years but no redemption the GOP can come up will save them from the wrath of this betrayal of our country and our democracy. This will not be forgiven, the lies and the misinformation, THE THREATS I see online from keyboard warriors who incite insurrection, giving no cares of the US Constitution or our Democracy because they didn't get their way. Your side told us to all go cry a river after Hillary lost, and we did. BUT we fought back, only to find because your side didn't get their way they will lie, cheat and act like 2 year olds who don't know better to usurp our democracy when we have a fair election and call it a fraud with zero evidence. 

We used to have lively but decent arguments over facts. Now the GOP can't stand facts, so they make shit up to see what sticks. Realists don't buy bullshit, even though we see it is for sale every day. Believe me, I would be running if Dems did this as well.  THis isn't about party, this is about country, democracy and those who would burn it all down. 

As to the bitch hunt, believe me, every seditionist WILL BE hunted down and prosecuted. I will be damned if armed insurrectionists threaten my fellow countrymen, including those on the right that they would have lynched if they could have because they didn't fall lockstep in with Trump's insanity.

IF I sound upset, you better believe I'm frothing! You should be too. I haven't read enough here to see which one of you's is actually defending this. But, I will. I have decided I AM back! 

I've seen for  years the disinformation coming from this website nonstop and so many others out there. No amount of reason, logic or rationale worked to reach you. That is one of the reasons why I left. 

When we have grievances with our government, we follow the Constitution which allows us to peacably protest, but it doesn't allow us to kill those we disagree with. 

You know, I have had several friends through the years that leaned red, till this insanity ensued and now they are as angry as I am at the GOP and it's supporters for allowing themselves to be so hoodwinked and misled that it would lead to this. I am ashamed of anyone who supports the GOP now. I doubt I'll ever get over being angry. I know I'll never trust a single one again, at the legislative level or in person. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.3.30  NV-Robin6  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.3.3    one week ago

Thanks Sandy, good to see you here still. Don't know how you all did it but I had such a busy year, I couldn't do both and this was, well, getting too stressful.  But you're right, that is exactly what I mean and I see nothing that should have been lost on anyone here of what I said. But, color me suprised anyone would take it other than from the words I shared. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.3.31  MrFrost  replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.3.30    one week ago

Nice to see you. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.3.32  NV-Robin6  replied to  MrFrost @3.3.31    one week ago

HI Mr. Frost, and everyone else who welcomed me back! I'll be back soon enough. It's getting late in the day and I don't know about all of you, but I need to get off social media, have a drink and listen to some good music for a bit.

I look forward to catching up with the threads and seeing the good debate! And all your collective wisdom. I have missed you all! XOXOXOXO

 
 
 
CB
3.3.33  CB   replied to  NV-Robin6 @3.3.29    one week ago

Well, now. That is a refreshing scope and breadth of reading. So many points touched on with fresher mind and clarity of word. It's just what we need at this point. Many of us are weary from trying. . .and fighting the good fight.

NV-Robin6, I don't want to be patronizing. I don't want to 'preset' you (though I remember several tidbit discussions between us). So I will let you make your points according to what is in your heart on your own timetable. I will treat everything with the proper reserve.

Happy New Year and may it serve this country up its best!

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.3.34  NV-Robin6  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.3.22    one week ago

Thank you Paula, I remember you as well..  I tried to reply to your post last time I logged on and something weird was happening with pending a post and it wouldn't load? I haven't seen that before. Did it with a Mr. Frost reply I was trying to send to him too. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.4  author  Ender  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago

He saw things as a kid that you will never understand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.4    2 weeks ago

what did he see?

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.4.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @3.4    2 weeks ago

Arnold was lucky to be born in Thal, Styria, occupied by the Americans,

a few kliks to the West and they would have been in Russian occupied Austria and quite likely a different outcome.

 
 
 
Ender
3.4.3  author  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @3.4.1    2 weeks ago

According to him, the impact it had on his and his friends parents and families.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.4.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.4.3    2 weeks ago

just asking because he wasn't born until 1947, so I don't feel he saw much himself. I am sure his family told him about it, though.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.4.5  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @3.4.3    2 weeks ago

his father was a member of the Nazi Party.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.4.6  Veronica  replied to  Texan1211 @3.4.4    2 weeks ago

I think it was more on the toll it took on his father and how that affected him & his family.  He spoke of how his father would come home drunk & beat him & his siblings - so I imagine he feels that if WWII had not happened, his father would not have behaved that way. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.4.7  Thrawn 31  replied to  Veronica @3.4.6    2 weeks ago

Basically Fascism and the war fucked his dad up, and Arnold felt the effects. 

 
 
 
Veronica
3.4.8  Veronica  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.7    2 weeks ago

That is what I was thinking, but since I am not Arnold or any of his family I would hate to state 100% that I know that is what he was speaking to.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.4.9  Thrawn 31  replied to  Veronica @3.4.8    2 weeks ago

I could be wrong but it seemed pretty damn obvious.

 
 
 
Veronica
3.4.10  Veronica  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.9    2 weeks ago

Yes, you could be.  But he also might be wrong with what fucked up his father.  His father could have been beaten by his father, and so on and so on....  We do not know exactly what motivates others 100%.  

I could easily say that my mother would have been so much happier if premarital sex was not against her religion - that way she would not have had to marry my father to have sex & decide that they were not compatible and moved on to others or stayed single.  She may or may not have been happier.  

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.4.11  Thrawn 31  replied to  Veronica @3.4.10    2 weeks ago
His father could have been beaten by his father, and so on and so on....  We do not know exactly what motivates others 100%.  

In this case, pretty sure it was the war. My grandfather was a B-17 pilot in WW2, he went on to have a distinguished career in Korea and almost Vietnam. I interviewed him for an 8th grade project, about his time in the wars. He had a hard time telling me about his experience; a lot of friends died, don't bother learning the name of your gunners, and don't think about where your bombs land. 

My grandfather was a raging drunk until the end of his days, and I imagine that was to forget the stories and things he didn't tell me. 

 
 
 
Veronica
3.4.12  Veronica  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.11    2 weeks ago

All I said I was imagined that was what he meant - you however need to be the one that is right - so have at it - be proud.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.4.13  Split Personality  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.11    2 weeks ago

My Uncle was a Sherman tank "commander" with Patton from North Africa until Berlin.

D Day and the hedgerows, under fire, advancing over bodies that could have been wounded Americans or Allies.

Through France, not trusting anyone except other Americans.

I can imagine when they reached Berlin and the fighting stopped,

they were like the Capital rioters that didn't know what to do once the objective was realized...

At home he was in fight after fight, mostly discouraging anyone that wanted to date his sisters.

Eventually he found a job dangerous enough and solitary enough to satisfy him

delivering gasoline at night to service stations throughout NJ and SE PA.

Everyone loved him, they just had to accommodate him to avoid a beating...lol.

No seriously.

Yes he drank but no worse than his brothers, including my father, who served towards the end and was an MP in

Dresden and Dusseldorf with quite a few stories, one night, and only that one night....

I told this story on the vine once, how my old man was shifted from medic to mechanic to quartermaster and ended up

on the wrong transport ship to Europe watching every one he went to boot with or trained with die at sea on the other

ship when it was torpedoed and the convoy did not stop.

My Aunts said he was a happy go lucky fool before boot camp.  That person never returned to us.

It was up to the Navy Destroyers to sweep for survivors after the danger had passed, hence no survivors.

Odd, one side of the family, all WWII or Korea, all alcoholics with tempers.

The other side, 3 mild alcoholics who became coaches and 2 tea totlers

The only thing they had in common were their silences

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.4.14  sandy-2021492  replied to  Split Personality @3.4.13    2 weeks ago

Dad was a tunnel rat in Vietnam, and he never drank or was violent, but he was, and still is, extremely jumpy, and any time he enters a room or building, he knows where all the exits are, and always sits with his back to a wall, except at home.  Mom says he talked in his sleep for years, and it was obvious he was back in battle in his dreams.

He didn't mean to, but once when he was talking to someone, another guy snuck up behind him and poked him in the ribs.  He punched the guy in front of him and broke his glasses.  Totally unintentional.  It was those reflexes that probably kept him alive over there, and he couldn't shake them back here.  An uncle once told me that Dad had always been jumpy, but it was magnified by Vietnam.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.4.15  Thrawn 31  replied to  Veronica @3.4.12    2 weeks ago

Always.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.4.16  Kavika   replied to  sandy-2021492 @3.4.14    2 weeks ago

Our family has a long military record dating back to at least the war of 1812. (actually much further back) I lost my cousin at the Battle of the Bulge (Bastogne), My uncle, was KIA at the Battle of Attu. My dad was the first wave to hit the beach and Tarawa (Betio). Silver Star, Purple Heart with 3 Oak Leaf Clusters. 

I lost another cousin in Korea in the Battle of Seoul. He was 187th RCT (Airborne)

I almost lost my son in Beirut, 100% disabled Marine. 

I currently have three rellies on active, great-nephew with the 10th Mountain Divison. 4 tours in Iraq and Afghan. Another great-nephew in the Air Force and my great-grandson with the Australian Special Air Service (SAS) Australia Special Forces.

I don't know of any male in our extended family that didn't serve in the military and many of my female rellies did as well. 

So these insurgents that attacked our Capital really really piss me off.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.4.17  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @3.4.16    2 weeks ago

Hah, One of my ancestors war a doctor for the revolution!

 
 
 
Kavika
3.4.18  Kavika   replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.17    2 weeks ago

Actually at that time, late 1700 hundreds and early 1800 hundreds my rellies were fighting the British in Canada. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
3.4.19  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @3.4.16    2 weeks ago
Our family has a long military record dating back to at least the war of 1812.

My Maternal Great-Grandfather fought with the Union Army during the Civil War as a Scout. My Paternal Great-Grandfather was a Scout with the Confederate Army in the Civil War. I have Family members who fought against England during the Revolutionary War. And others who fought in many other wars.

My Maternal Grandfather was with the Marines in WWII, my Father was with the Army and fought in WWII, my Brother was in the Navy and fought in Vietnam as the Engineman of a PT Boat for 3 years. A Nephew who was in the AF, and another Nephew served in the Marines.

There were also Cousins, Uncles who fought in the Korean War, 2 Great-Uncles who served in the National Guard, and 2 Great-Aunts who also served, one in the Marines, and one in the Army.

I also wanted to join the Waves after graduation from high school, but I had badly damaged my tail bone in a fall from a spooked horse in my teens and could not pass the physical.

It is not unusual to find many Native American families who have family members who have served our country since it was established, either was members of the military or as Scouts. 

 
 
 
Krishna
3.4.20  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @3.4.1    2 weeks ago

what did he see?

Just a suggestion-- you might try actually watching a video before commenting on it-- or asking questions that were answered in the video.

You might learn something jrSmiley_26_smiley_image.gif

. . . and possibly even change the opinion many people here have of people who ask questions about a video they haven't even watched!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.4.21  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @3.4.20    2 weeks ago

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Thrawn 31
3.4.22  Thrawn 31  replied to  Kavika @3.4.18    2 weeks ago

Another of my relatives signed the Declaration of Independence.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.4.23  Kavika   replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.22    2 weeks ago

Old Indian saying. If bullshit were dollars bill you'd be independently wealthy...jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

One better, my rellies crossed the Bering Straights 35,000 years ago and planted the Tribal Flag declaring ''Look what I found''...

A very true story.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.4.24  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Veronica @3.4.6    2 weeks ago

It is too bad that PTSD and anger management help were not known of back then.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.4.25  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @3.4.20    one week ago

You might want to start assuming that I did watch the video.

And since I didn't ask you, why are you so bothered by my questions?

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MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.4.26  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Veronica @3.4.6    one week ago
so I imagine he feels that if WWII had not happened, his father would not have behaved that way. 

That may or may not be true. I know plenty of abusive men that never were a part of any wars. I also know plenty of men that are wonderful to their wife and kids and WERE in a war... and had to do / see terrible things.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.4.27  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Kavika @3.4.18    one week ago

My relatives were probably fighting right along side yours Kav!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.4.28  Trout Giggles  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.4.26    one week ago

Four of my dad's brothers all went to Vietnam. All came home and I don't remember any of them drinking all the time or beating their families. My grandfather and his brothers were all drafted for WWII and all came home, even my Uncle Carl who got frost bitten toes in the Battle of the Bulge. All were great family men and didn't drink much.

Now on my mother's side, grandpap and grandma drank and got into horrible fights when my mom was a kid. One of my uncles had a serious drinking problem. None of them fought in any wars, either

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.4.29  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.4.28    one week ago

Exactly.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
3.4.30  NV-Robin6  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.4.22    one week ago

Hello Thrawn, hope you're doing good, considering the state we're all in right now. I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in and hopefully get a check on most of you. I was passing the rest of this thread before logging out and saw your post here.  Arnold had much to share and I loved that he understands how fascism is mankind's biggest threat and downfall and it's been at our doorstep for far too long. Time to trash it once and for all! It will be! 

So I wanted to say this.That's cool on your ancestry! To share a wee bit, I'm a DoAR, 9th generation decendent of General Arthur St. Clair, who was George Washington's chief military strategist General when GW's battles finally were finding success.)  Arthur was commissioned by George Washington and relieved of duty by Tom Jeff.  He was President of the Continental Congress when the US Constitution was sent to be ratified through the 13 colonies. (Presidencies then were 1 year stints.) He was the ONLY foreign president ever in the history of the power of the presidency. He later became General of the Northwest territories before the Lousiana Purchase. He did much for our white world domination that saw this country established.

He was lost to history for several factors, Tom Jeff & Hamilton didn't like his anti-slavery stance or his desire to find friendly peaceful solutions with my indigenous ancestors & they didn't want Arthur's military skills to usurp GW's legacy.  Which is such tragedy. His wife's family helped finance the Revolutionary war. They tried to court marshall him over the fall of Fort Ticonderoga, but he was later exonerated of all charges. Mad Anthony Wayne was his right hand man for most of his tenure. For all he did for this country, his dedication and participation is lost on most. And he had a very sad ending to his life and legacy.  Isn't that goddamn America for ya?!

Google "Arthur St. Clair, The Invisible Patriot." 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.4.31  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @3.4.16    one week ago

Only four in my family served, me, my father, a cousin, and another cousin's husband.  I am the the only one who did 20 plus.  My family is predominantly female on both sides, so except for me, the others chose different paths.

 
 
 
Ender
3.4.32  author  Ender  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.4.31    one week ago

My Father and Uncle both served. Before that was only my Great Uncle during the second world war. (that I can think of)

I actually have more ministers and clergymen in the family than anything.

(Though They traced back some distant relative that was in the civil war)

My great Uncle was a pilot during WW2. The only thing he ever said about it was that he liked being above the action. He didn't have to see a lot of the horrors that were on the ground. Just deliver his load and return.

He said it never really bothered him until one day he found out that he bombed a school that had children in it. Supposedly the nazi regime would hide munitions dumps and the like under public buildings so the allied forces wouldn't (or at least be hesitant) to take them out.

He never got over that. It made him see what he was doing differently than he had before. Instead of being above and distant from the action, made him see he was a part of it, a cause of destruction. If that makes any sense.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
3.5  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago

Any instances of BLM rioters (and yes, the ones who were violent were rioters, not protesters) attempting to prevent the certification of an incoming legally-elected government?

No?

Because that's what these traitors were trying to do.  That's an unsuccessful attempt at a coup.  And your comment is bullshit.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
3.6  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago

Lol, Ronin, just stop. Stop pretending you are anything but a Trump shill.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.6.1  Krishna  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.6    2 weeks ago
Lol, Ronin, just stop. Stop pretending you are anything but a Trump shill.

My guess is that he still hasn't realized people see right through what he is trying to do.

(Although I think it must be difficult to defend trump after all he's done... not an enviable position!)

But what can someone in his position do? 

Maybe admit he was totally wrong all the time re: Trump. Admit he was wrong...and move on?

I dunno-- what would other people here do if they had spent so much time defending Trump...and then having the truth appear-- several times due to recent events -- and so strongly?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.7  Krishna  replied to  Ronin2 @3    2 weeks ago
This wasn't a coup by any definition of the word.

Correct.

It wasn't a coup. A coup results in a change in gov't.

What this was was an attempted coup. 

A failed coup.

While they did a lot of damage-- even caused some deaths-- ultimately, our guys won. Your guys lost.

Just like the Presidential election. Our guy won. Your guy lost

And then the Georgia Senate run-off. Our guys won both races-- yours lost. And now control of the Senate-- we won, you lost.

Get over it Ronin-- stop making excuses, stop denying reality...and move on!!!

 
 
 
pat wilson
3.7.1  pat wilson  replied to  Krishna @3.7    2 weeks ago
While they did a lot of damage

And left feces and urine in the halls of the U.S. Capitol. Those "patriots" should be so proud.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.7.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @3.7    one week ago

If any of the treasonous aholes who got away attempt to return on Inauguration Day, they will be in for a rude awakening.  There are some 14,000 NG on the ground now with more to come and they will be armed.  This will apply to every capitol in every state as it looks like they will try some shit there.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Ronin2 @3    one week ago
Trying to compare the Night of Broken Glass to what happened in DC. Trying to compare Nazi Germany to the US.

Yeah, I thought that was a bit of a stretch. Otherwise, I thought it was a good speech overall; I however, would've liked to see the outcry for all those businesses, people, rights, etc. that were lost over the summer of 2020 during the riots in Portland, Seattle, and Chicago. 

I believe the LA riots of 1992 and the Detroit riots of 1967 were far worse than the aforementioned however, and there wasn't much outcry either. I suppose that had somewhat to do with the available media outlets, which let's face it, were NOTHING like they are now.

 
 
 
Krishna
3.8.1  Krishna  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8    one week ago
I believe the LA riots of 1992 and the Detroit riots of 1967 were far worse than the aforementioned however, and there wasn't much outcry either. I suppose that had somewhat to do with the available media outlets, which let's face it, were NOTHING like they are now.

I see your "Whattaboutisms" and raise you one!

What about all those Americans who lost their lives during The Civil War?

Whaddabout all those who suffered so much during the Coronoavirus-- which Trump could've prevented but didn't?

(Heck, not only did I just post a "Whattaboutism" that was better than yours-- but IMO opinion it was a lot more of a tear-jerker than yours!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Krishna @3.8.1    one week ago

I wasn't going for a "whattaboutism" by any stretch of the imagination. I was pointing out that there was no outrage for far worse riots. I'm not sure why you've decided to take that as a slap to you [or anyone else]. 

Not only did I say that I thought Arnold's video was a good speech, but also pointed out that there wasn't a bunch of outcry for worse events... and I wouldn't compare Trump's inactivity in regard to COVID-19 to a riot, because they're not the same action / inaction.

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.8.3  r.t..b...  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8    one week ago

The riots you cite were indeed tragic...in no small part because of the frustration those involved had lived with through decades of disenfranchisement and knowing they were utterly voiceless. 
The circumstances last week were also tragic, but the disenfranchisement so often cited was based on lies and the loudest voice championing their ‘cause’ came from the POTUS. 
Two different animals...but the rabid beasts involved in the latter had a most visible, most risible accomplice...née facilitator. 

 
 
 
Ender
3.8.4  author  Ender  replied to  r.t..b... @3.8.3    one week ago

Exactly rtb. I wish more people would understand that.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.8.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8.2    one week ago
for worse events

I must have missed that...

Something worse than the occupation of the Congress of the United States!

Something worse than forcing Senators and Representative to find shelter from the marauding rioters...

Gee... I wonder how I missed that...

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.6  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.8.5    one week ago

I would think that complete cities burned to the ground would be worse, yes. I know for a fact that Detroit still isn't the city it once was and quite frankly, I doubt LA is either. I don't hold members of Congress to be any better than you or I. They're people.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.7  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  r.t..b... @3.8.3    one week ago

And I agree with you. The fact still remains that I was comparing riots to riots; not riots to disease and the inaction to prevent the spread.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.8.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8.6    one week ago
Detroit still isn't the city it once was 

Decades of poisoned drinking water will have that effect...

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.9  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.8.8    one week ago

Unless you live here or work here, please don't act like you know anything about the area I live in. Thanks and have a lovely day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.8.10  Texan1211  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.8.8    one week ago
Decades of poisoned drinking water will have that effect...

Sounds like you may have Detroit and Flint confused there, Bob.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.8.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8    one week ago

the available media outlets, which let's face it, were NOTHING like they are now

Exactly.  I worked not far from the epicenter of the King riots.  I am glad that social media was not like it is now.  If it had been, the rioters would have known that I was sitting on top of a shit load of M16 rifles and we could have been overrun.  My commanding officer was given permission to side arm and use deadly force if need be.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.8.12  Bob Nelson  replied to  Texan1211 @3.8.10    one week ago

Yup

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.13  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.8.11    one week ago

Yeah, that sounds like a good thing that social media wasn't around! I couldn't imagine the chaos.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.8.14  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8    one week ago

AS experienced the after effects of The Night Of Broken Glass on a highly personal level.  If he is making that comparison, then I believe his view.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.15  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.8.14    one week ago

That may be his personal view, but I still maintain that the comparison is a bit of a stretch.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.8.16  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @3.8.13    one week ago

We even had to erect a canvas screen to obscure the view through our office windows and kept the front gate locked which was a total pain, but a necessary measure at the time.  I kept my husband's 12 gauge shotgun on the floor of my car just in case.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
3.8.17  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.8.16    one week ago

NUTS! That is really bad. I have watched some of the things that went down in LA and rewatched them as an adult... because at 13, when it was occurring, I wasn't able to comprehend everything that was happening.

I wasn't around for the Detroit riots of 67... that was about 12 years before I was born. However, my stepdad was 13 or 14 at the time and his older brother just came back from a tour in Vietnam. My uncle's "job" upon his return was to keep watch on night duty with a shotgun to protect the home and family. They lived at what's now, Livernois and an I-75 on ramp... the on ramp wasn't there then. The house is long gone now though.

I couldn't imagine coming home from Vietnam to Detroit riots!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
3.9  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ronin2 @3    one week ago

I actually feel sorry for Arnold.  He reminds me of Giuliani, a shell of the person he once was trying to hang on to some relevance.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.9.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Right Down the Center @3.9    one week ago

I'm sure he will survive without your sympathy.  Buh bye.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @3    one week ago

I would think his Krystallnacht comparison was based on what people in the rest of the world, including me, saw - rioters smashing the windows of the building to get inside.  Although Krystallnacht was a more deadly night in Germany, I consider what "Ahnold" said to be quite appropriate, taking into consideration the rest of the events of the insurrection that you so nicely trivialize.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4  MrFrost    2 weeks ago

Powerful. 

 
 
 
devangelical
4.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @4    2 weeks ago

I love watching the GOP implode.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.1    2 weeks ago

How DOES a "dead" party implode exactly?

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.2  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.1    2 weeks ago
How DOES a "dead" party implode exactly?

If you really want to know, try following the news sometime-- you may find it quite informative!  jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    2 weeks ago

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devangelical
4.1.4  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.3    one week ago

non-questions get non-answers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @4.1.2    one week ago

I follow the news.

Pray tell where you heard that the dead party magically imploded.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @4.1    one week ago

You as they say "Ain't seen nothing yet."  The news reported today that a shit load of big name companies will no longer donate to those members because of the capitol riot and their complicity in it plus their refusal to acknowledge the ECV.  Reelections of certain R's will no longer receive financing from them.  Also, two major banks have cut all ties with Trump, Deuchbank (sp) being one of them.  They will be calling in Trump's loans.  The Russians won't bail him out because he is of no further use to them as Trump, the citizen.  They will call in his loans also.  Hey Trump, say good bye to Mar A Largo and probably a few of your golf resorts because you can't repay the loans and they will then be owned by those banks.

 
 
 
Duck Hawk
5  Duck Hawk    2 weeks ago

It's sad that an immigrant to the US and former Republican Governor of CA can compare these actions to the actions of the NAZI's during Krystallnacht. How have we as nation fallen to such lows? There was a time when being an anti-facist was a good thing. (My Grandfather was in the Italian Campaign.) Now we have facists in our Government! And a President who encourages insurrection. Putin must be proud he has achieved his goal of destroying the USA. Revenge for Perestroika and the breakup of the USSR? Perhaps?

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1  Krishna  replied to  Duck Hawk @5    2 weeks ago
How have we as nation fallen to such lows?

Some of us have. Some of us haven't.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.1    2 weeks ago

"We as a nation" doesn't refer to individuals, but the country as a whole.

Think about it.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Krishna @5.1    2 weeks ago
Some of us have. Some of us haven't.

Some of us have. MOST of us haven't.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    one week ago
We as a nation" doesn't refer to individuals, but the country as a whole. Think about it.

Naw-- I'm a Trump supporter.

I prefer to shoot off my pie hole without ever thinking about what I'm a bout to say!

/sarc

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.1.3    one week ago
I prefer to shoot off my pie hole without ever thinking about what I'm a bout to say!

Your words do ring true.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2  Krishna  replied to  Duck Hawk @5    one week ago

Putin must be proud he has achieved his goal of destroying the USA

No one is saying that Putin has destroyed the USA

 
 
 
Krishna
5.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @5.2    one week ago
Putin must be proud he has achieved his goal of destroying the USA No one is saying that Putin has destroyed the USA

Actually, thinking about that, I'm wondering how you could have such a blatant misconception-- because it seems obvious that U.S. is far from "destroyed"!

Perhaps you are hanging out with the wrong crowd?

 
 
 
Ender
5.2.2  author  Ender  replied to  Krishna @5.2.1    one week ago

I think that was a point Arnold was trying to make. That we can come back stronger from this.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @5.2.1    one week ago

There is a big difference between suffering destruction and total destruction itself.  We will come back stronger despite a bunch of aholes deciding elsewise.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
6  Bob Nelson    2 weeks ago

Kristallnacht was the last chance for Germany. When Germans as a whole acquiesced... Auschwitz was inevitable.

And here we have our NT fascists, telling us " nothing to see here!" 

Good work, Arnold!

 
 
 
Krishna
6.1  Krishna  replied to  Bob Nelson @6    2 weeks ago

A very moving video!

 
 
 
Kavika
7  Kavika     2 weeks ago

A very powerful statement by Arnold. 

One of my friends that lives in Gouda, The Netherlands called me and his voice was trembling. What has happened to American, he asked. He remembers when the Dutch were starving at the end of the war and he saw as a small boy the bombers coming over so low that he could see into the cockpit and dropping food to the starving Dutch. 

I did my best to try to assure him that American will stand strong. I will have to get him a copy or link to this speech.

Thanks for the post, Ender.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
8  JohnRussell    2 weeks ago

Good speech. I think Arnold would have made a decent president , along the lines of George Bush the father. Even Ronald Reagan looks good from today's perspective.

Will something like this speech make a difference ? It could , but probably not enough to really have an effect. 

 
 
 
Ender
8.1  author  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @8    2 weeks ago

I don't know if I would go that far.  Haha

He reminds me of a Reagan light.

 
 
 
Thomas
8.1.1  Thomas  replied to  Ender @8.1    2 weeks ago

With whiskers!

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2  Ozzwald  replied to  JohnRussell @8    2 weeks ago
Even Ronald Reagan looks good from today's perspective.

Reagan would be labeled a RINO by today's republicans.

 
 
 
Krishna
8.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Ozzwald @8.2    one week ago
Reagan would be labeled a RINO by today's republicans.

Well one's things certain about Reagan. He never would've tried to have an elected official fix the vote! 

And he never would've advocated that his follows violently attack the Capital.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
8.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Krishna @8.2.1    one week ago

Well one's things certain about Reagan. He never would've tried to have an elected official fix the vote! 

And he never would've advocated that his follows violently attack the Capital.

And on the last days of Reagan's 2nd term, he was still more aware of what was going on than Trump is.

 
 
 
TᵢG
9  TᵢG    2 weeks ago

Great speech.   Great find, Ender.   Just shows, for those who need this, a stark comparison.   Arnold just gave a presidential speech.  Compare that to the crap from Trump for four years.

 
 
 
Sunshine
11  Sunshine    2 weeks ago

Didn’t Arnold poke his maid in his own family home?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
11.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sunshine @11    2 weeks ago

Yup.  Is that relevant to this discussion?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
11.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1    one week ago
Yup.  Is that relevant to this discussion?

Not really, but it does cement his status as a Republican.

 
 
 
Sunshine
11.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  Ozzwald @11.1.1    one week ago
but it does cement his status as a Republican.

A highly admired one by our NT friends.

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.2  TᵢG  replied to  Sunshine @11    2 weeks ago

Yes he did.   Does that in some way change his message?   He is not criticizing Trump for his infidelity, he is criticizing him for his divisive and irresponsible behavior as PotUS.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
11.2.1  NV-Robin6  replied to  TᵢG @11.2    one week ago

Hey bud, how you doing!? I'M BACK!! jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

How can I not be after this shitshow! For FFS! See you soon! 

Hey to all my friends, trying to catch you here and there. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
11.2.2  TᵢG  replied to  NV-Robin6 @11.2.1    one week ago

Hi Robin.   A certain group is still pretty on edge (lots of emotion and ugly tactics) but that will eventually fade a little and it will be a normal level of emotional, irrational 'debating'. 

Good to see you again.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
11.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  NV-Robin6 @11.2.1    one week ago

Welcome back Robin!

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
11.2.4  NV-Robin6  replied to  TᵢG @11.2.2    one week ago

Likewise! See you soon! 

 
 
 
Kavika
11.3  Kavika   replied to  Sunshine @11    2 weeks ago

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Krishna
11.4  Krishna  replied to  Sunshine @11    one week ago
Didn’t Arnold poke his maid in his own family home?

And some people don't like his hairstyle!!!

jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Krishna
11.4.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @11.4    one week ago

Didn’t Arnold poke his maid in his own family home?

And some people don't like his hairstyle!!!

And doesn't Arnold have a foreign accent?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
11.4.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @11.4.1    one week ago
doesn't Arnold have a foreign accent?

No problem.

His accent isn't latino. He White. 

No problem.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
12  Right Down the Center    one week ago
I may have missed it, what did Arnold say during the riots over the summer?
Anyone who did not speak out when cities burned over the summer has no credibility when speaking out about this.
 
 
 
CB
12.1  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12    one week ago

So what? It is high time that this bullshit ceased (on social media). These people left the streets and ransacked the "people's house" in Washington, D.C. Utter disrespect to the entire country! And over what? A failed, schemer, liar, named Donald Trump as inspirational leader. It reminds me of a small time goon like Charles Manson - at least for the lit-bit I know about that one.

And by the way, I have about had it with some conservatives steering clear of the DAMN larger POINT staring them in the face. Deal with Donald, the BULLSHIT ARTIST AT WORK and damn the redirections!

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
12.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @12.1    one week ago

So what?  All violence should be condemned. Pick and choosing what violence someone tries to justify/rationalize just shows hypocrisy and they should be ignored. I denounced what happened last week and what happened during the summer.  How bout you? 

 
 
 
CB
12.1.2  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.1    one week ago

I do denounce the violence during the summer, for all the good that it will do coming from me. Does that make you feel a lot better? Really?

Now, come on and learn the matter of nuance and degrees. These people wanted to kill officials who run the federal government, our international institutions, and our public wealth. Plus, these politicians are the formulators of our moral make-up and national character. Pretending this is a some local political subset is nonsensical on its face.

About as much so as pretending that the President of the United States is on par with a local mayor! Now then, step up to the 'plate' and hit a home-run.

A police officer is dead. Some conservatives talk long and hard about law and order, what is Donald's possible mistake in being on stage that day speaking strong words to people who marched down to the Capitol and hit Officer Sicknick in the head with a fire extinguisher and causing his death?

 
 
 
Krishna
12.1.3  Krishna  replied to  CB @12.1.2    one week ago

CB-- Do not Feed the Trolls!

(I admit it-- I fell for his manipulations at first but then I realized why here's here and what he's trying to do).

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  CB @12.1.2    one week ago

A second officer is also dead...suicide.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
12.1.5  NV-Robin6  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.1.4    one week ago

HI Paula, much more is about to hit the light on the this officer's role in complicity of the coup at the Capitol. Also his connection with Paul Manafort. I'm looking forward to all this coming to light. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  NV-Robin6 @12.1.5    one week ago

Me also.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
12.1.7  Right Down the Center  replied to  CB @12.1.2    one week ago

You seem to talk alot without saying much of anything.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
12.1.8  Right Down the Center  replied to  Krishna @12.1.3    one week ago

Uh, OK 

 
 
 
CB
12.1.9  CB   replied to  Right Down the Center @12.1.7    one week ago

Yeah? Prove it. Don't just show up for the 'rhetorical hit' deal with the facts placed in front of us. Talk is good. Understanding is better.

And, since you were so cheap with your 'comeback' commentary, suppose you take time out of your busy whatever and inform me what parts of my comment cause you 'heartburn.'

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
12.1.10  NV-Robin6  replied to  CB @12.1.9    one week ago

Grrrrruffff! Love it. Don't take that shit lying down! ;-)

 
 
 
Krishna
12.2  Krishna  replied to  Right Down the Center @12    one week ago
I may have missed it

May have?

LOL!!! 

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
12.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Krishna @12.2    one week ago

Trying to be amusing?  Keep trying.

 
 
 
freepress
13  freepress    one week ago

This message is healing, and I think this is the kind of Republican that many Americans would vote for from all political parties.

 
 
 
CB
13.1  CB   replied to  freepress @13    one week ago

A reasonable, non-combative message is "approachable" and helpful.  (Smile.)

 
 
 
Kathleen
14  Kathleen    one week ago

Arnold has never been a fan of Trump, so the speech is well expected. 

 
 
 
Krishna
14.1  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @14    one week ago
Arnold has never been a fan of Trump, so the speech is well expected.

I know there are more Republicans like that than people realize. 

(But some were too scared to speak out...) 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @14.1    one week ago
(But some most were too scared to speak out...) 

fixed

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.1.2  Kathleen  replied to  Krishna @14.1    one week ago

Not everyone voices their opinion to the public. Just because someone keeps their views to themselves does not mean they are cowards. Especially when it comes to politics. Most people avoid the subject all together. Some people feel it can hurt friendships and cause distress between each other. I know you have seen it on here Krishna.  So even if you don’t agree with something, it does not mean that you don’t have strong feelings about it. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
14.1.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.2    one week ago
Not everyone voices their opinion to the public. Just because someone keeps their views to themselves does not mean they are cowards.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

  Martin Niemöller

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.1.4  Kathleen  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.1.3    one week ago

Again, I do not let anyone tell me what they think I should do and not do. Although, that’s the problem... some think they have the right to tell others what they should do... 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
14.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.4    one week ago
I do not let anyone tell me what they think I should do and not do

Everyone has the right to voice their opinions as to what others should or shouldn't do, both conservatives and progressives do it daily here on NT. And it is also everyone's right to ignore or not accept others opinions. So you can choose to not accept anything anyone tells you to do or not do, but the only way to "not let anyone tell" you what they think you should do or not do is to not participate in these forums where opinions are as thick as Florida mosquitos in Summer.

"that’s the problem... some think they have the right to tell others what they should do... "

They do have the right to say whatever is on their mind, that's freedom of speech. It's up to each listener to choose to apply it or not.

 
 
 
Ender
14.1.6  author  Ender  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.1.5    one week ago

As we both know, everyone has an opinion on everything.

I never expect to make a comment and not have at least one person say or think something different.

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.1.7  Kathleen  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.1.5    one week ago

I have voiced my opinion plenty on here, the different is, I am fine if they choose not to engage back. I have asked questions though, if they don’t answer I am okay with it. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.4    one week ago
I do not let anyone tell me what they think I should do and not do. 

You absolutely have the right to say and do whatever you please. 

Then... if your words are seditious, you may be charged. If your deeds are seditious, you may be charged.

You absolutely have the right to say and do whatever you please. You must assume the consequences.

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
14.1.9  NV-Robin6  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @14.1.3    one week ago

Hey DP, spot on and perfect timing reminder! L'est we ever forget! I know I haven't. 

 
 
 
NV-Robin6
14.1.10  NV-Robin6  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.7    one week ago

If you're benign, you have nothing to worry about. Plenty do. Rightfully so. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
14.1.11  Kathleen  replied to  NV-Robin6 @14.1.10    one week ago

I always thought I have nothing to worry about.

 
 
 
Tessylo
14.2  Tessylo  replied to  Kathleen @14    one week ago

Really, when did you know he would give such a speech?