New recordings of Trump from Georgia may have just given prosecutors the racketeering proof they needed
By: Sarah K. Burris
Criminal Donny.
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
A new recording to a Georgia official from President Donald Trump may be enough for prosecutors to charge him with racketeering.
According to theWall Street Journal, Trump told the official that if she was able to find enough votes that she "would be praised."
According toa report from MSNBC's Rachel MaddowTuesday night, Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis revealed that she would be looking into whether the RICO statues could apply in charges against Trump. She's also hired Atlanta lawyer John Floyd, who not only wrote a book on RICO cases, but has prosecuted the top ones in Georgia for the past two decades.
"It's not a stretch to see where she's taking this," Reuters cited Cathy Cox, dean of Mercer University's law school. "If Donald Trump engaged in two or more acts that involve false statements - that were made knowingly and willfully in an attempt to falsify material fact, like the election results - then you can piece together a violation of the racketeering act."
The first act would have been when Donald Trump called Gov. Brian Kemp. This new recording to Georgia Chief Investigator Frances Watson makes the second.
In the recording, Trump said that Fulton County, in particular, should be highlighted. "Fulton is the motherlode, Fulton County," he said.
He encouraged Watson of checking signatures going back two years or more before authorizing people's votes.
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Too funny.
trump has been a criminal his whole life. He grew up with the mafia.
Who knew that asking someone to create votes to win a presidential election was illegal?
Well, everyone except donny, apparently.
Let the excuses fly...
No, man. Just find the votes. They are there, you just have to find them...
I am sure he meant to check the seat cushions on the couch.. [eye roll]
In the recording, Trump said that Fulton County, in particular, should be highlighted. "Fulton is the motherlode, Fulton County," he said.
He encouraged Watson of checking signatures going back two years or more before authorizing people's votes.
Where in those sentences is any mention of "creating votes"
"I just want to find 11,780 votes," Trump said.
Not even trump is dumb enough to be implying that he means to physically "find" votes. Clearly he means "create".
I'm not so sure about that.
Fair point!
Nowhere. Only in far Left politics is it routinely ok to say that words actually mean something totally different from their ordinary plain meaning. And you don't need to prove it. All you have to do is say "it's obvious" or "clearly."
You can't be serious. What do you think going back 'two years or more before authorizing' means?
Case in point: My father was a life-long republican, my mom was staunchly independent. My father was never questioned about his signature. My mom received notices regarding her signature in both Obama elections, and in the 2016 election when she voted for Hillary Clinton. In each of those instances, we were told that it was too late for her vote to count. What baloney that was. My father had Alzheimer's. His signature had become little more than unreadable chicken scratch. But my mom's signature had changed very little, even after her Parkinson's diagnosis. Several of their friends from church and the volunteer center at the hospital had experienced similar circumstances.
Sorry dear, but that's one way votes are 'created'.
Only in trumpland can people say things with a wink and a nod and then claim plausible deniability.
What is comical, my Uncle died before the election and my Aunt filled out his ballot (for donald) and mailed it in after his death.
His supporters are definitely dumb enough to believe he meant physically finding more ballots.
I'm a person who doesn't believe in punishing people without proof. You want to be part of the lynch mob?
Ha. You actually think when he says he only needs 11 k votes and wants help that he is innocent?
Feel free to prove your accusation. Lynch mobs aren't interested in things like evidence and proof. They just want to punish people they don't like.
Uh huh. Sure....
Like I would have to prove a recording.
Part of a mob?
I am a man on the end of a computer screen, not some flash mob on the street, so the hyperbole doesn't work with me.
Well, you do if you want to introduce it in court as evidence. Then you will have to prove it is evidence of a crime. Good luck with that. "It's clear" won't cut it.
Depends on what you value. Justice or vengeance?
Well YES, yes i do ! Trump , as seen and heard with my own eyes and ears, iS ALL THE "PROOF", ANYONE should need, Hell, Mitch, another Putin Bitch, arguably the most powerful Republican, admitted and stated Trump WAS GUILTY in INCITING the Capitol RIOT, and ANYBODY with half a thought process, could process the facts that Trump HAS LIED ABOUT SO MUCH, causing so many more DEATHS and sickness via Covid LIES, LIES about the election process that has been proven bullship, Mueller report if read by a fairly non-biased individual, screams of more LIES and Trump WOULD BE IN JAIL WITH HIS LAWYER, if not for Presidential immunity customs, and the call and or letter to the Ukrainian President screamed of quid pro quo and WAS, then the Georgia debacle , was with OBVIOUS intimidation, to the point where it is being looked into by Georgia prosecutors. But, not enough 'proof' for you huh... Cause correlations via a ridiculous amount of such mundane coincidences could NEVER prove anything to anyone, yet, just about everyone agrees that coincidental correlated evidence was used and compared to establish just about any and every thing today, that 90 +% of the worlds population, agree to be matters of fact( unless flat earther type) but they're just filled with a lot of Hot/Not Air) to so so many, and sum hate the facts, and parse the wording which is like arfter hearing Trump say "Mexico is going to pay for that wall" while knowing NO WAY they would, but followers with minds so sm,all, bought it, bought it all, so i'd have to guess, you're one of the Trump targets that believe his bullship and it's sinking in, deeper and deeper. Reminds me of the fresh knives hanging out of Lady Liberty's backs, that can be traced back too fresh Trump trax, as they could have his dental records and as seen live on recorded TV, Trump shooting the tv, then shooting one on 5th avenue,..... your reply would be wheres the proof, maybe his heart stopped a millisecond before bullet hit, so doesn't fit, must acquit , or something in that line of bullshit!
Trump's lifetime of well-documented character flaw exhibitions and off-the-chain political shifty shenanigans puts him in a higher category for negative judgment regarding his current behavior and actions. Translation: He is an incredible piece of crappola that deserves what's coming to him. It's time for him to pay up, and I hope he pays up bigly.
The only 'lynch mob' was at the Capitol on 1/6/21
Again with the lynch mobs. Again, the only lynch mobs were at the Capitol on 1/6/21
Thanks for going on the record.
There is a reason character evidence is generally inadmissible at trial absent some exception. Being a dick isn't a crime. We punish based on relevant evidence that the accused did the specific thing he is accused of, and further, that such action is actually criminal.
In spite of all our protections, we still incarcerate way more of our own citizens than any other country. In spite of our high ideals, a huge number of our citizens are happy to throw the book at someone solely on the grounds that they don't like him.
So it's only a bad thing when conservatives do it?
Trump and the wrong 'righties' were the Only Lynch mob thinking individuals saw, and (I'M) the one tearing up our Forefathers thoughts....and Trump ISN"T, GET REAL TACO's , and take a STaND!
I don't what you think is happening around here, but I fully support the arrest, trial, conviction, and appropriate punishment anyone involved in the Capitol riot. What I don't support is just rounding up people and locking them away without due process. The Constitution applies to everyone - even Donald Trump. If it doesn't apply to Trump, then it's meaningless. Can you support that or not?
I don't know why you think it wouldn't go to court or anything. You are talking like donald would be arrested and thrown away without any sort of defence, when we all know that could or would never happen.
I agree, the problem is that trump violated the constitution several times.
Just one example would be all the subpoenas he refused during the first impeachment.
Well, as Frosty one did state, it has not been equally applied to the POS that has LIED about so much, resulting in the death of many.
The GOP has enabled a sick mind to take our country seriously backwards, and without consequences, which to me, is Total Bull Ship
I'm sorry, but your Aunt needs to face charges of voter fraud. There ya go Donny, your "voter fraud" is real......from your own supporters.
There is plenty of evidence and proof in the 62 minute phone call.
Now if you're curious about who and what Trump is talking about, you can go read the transcript.
Trump wants to 'find' 11,780 votes to flip the state from Biden to Trump.
Note that this phone call was AFTER the recounts, investigations and multiple court hearings. The above quotes are after Trump has been told multiple times that they investigated his allegations and that his data is WRONG.
Trump kept insisting that they audit Fulton County AGAIN [which they did and found NO fraud or misconduct]. Trump also blew off any and all of the findings from the investigations conducted by GBI that refuted his fabricated allegations.
It seems that once Trump gets a conspiracy theory stuck in his little pea brain, NO amount of empirical evidence will dislodge it. Unfortunately, all too many members here seem to have the same malady.
Somehow the meaning of the word changes when you put a quotation mark around it. That kills all credibility, right there.
It does? What has the meaning of 'find' changed to Tacos?
How so?
You could tell us. You're the one using it in quotes. But I don't expect you will.
Suppose you just come clean and admit that you are alleging that finding votes is somehow criminal because what you really mean is that Trump wanted people to invent votes that weren't real.
Finding something that was legitimately lost is not criminal. But if you can convince people he didn't really mean for officials to find a lost thing, then you can take his actual words and pretend they meant something else. And then it's allegedly obvious to all who agree. You do this by putting a quote around the word. It's dishonest and you won't admit it.
If after election was certified and sealed as a Biden win ?
"Trump wants to 'find' 11,780 votes to flip the state from Biden to Trump.
Note that this phone call was AFTER the recounts, investigations and multiple court hearings. The above quotes are after Trump has been told multiple times that they investigated his allegations and that his data is WRONG.
Trump kept insisting that they audit Fulton County AGAIN [which they did and found NO fraud or misconduct]. "
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Do tell, where ELSE do you 'FIND' these votes ??? As after all 'LEGAL' means were exhausted, what else is left for Trump to do , to 'FIND' the Exact Number of votes TRump would need, plus 1, to surpass ole Joe, cause you do realize, wiy=thout ANY evidence, Trump DOES STILL CLAIM, ELECTION FRAUD ! Where else are these votes to be found, going to be...?
You're doing it too. Apparently, you have nothing unless you can change the meaning of the word.
Please tell me that you are not that stupid!
Nope. YOU are the one that stated that the meaning of the word changes. What did it change to Tacos?
I clearly stated what I 'really mean'. Trump wanted to 'find' 11,780 votes to flip the state from Biden to Trump.
I also stated clearly that Trump was informed that all of his allegations were bullshit. There were and are NO 'lost' votes. [Has the meaning of lost changed now too?]
Since nothing was 'lost' Trump couldn't have been using 'find' in that sense.
Before you allege that someone is being dishonest, perhaps it would behoove you to review the other definitions of 'find'. Hint: provide or supply is further down the list...
You keep using quotes around words and pretending it changes nothing. If that were true, there would be no reason to use them. It's dishonest and you keep doing it.
Actually, they are apostrophes.
You keep insisting that using quotes [actually apostrophes] around words changes their meaning but STILL refuse to articulate HOW the meanings have changed or WHAT the meanings have changed to. Why?
It merely highlights the repetition of a word or concept used in the prior comment.
How is it dishonest Tacos? Be specific.
BTFW, I will keep posting in any way I want to.
They are? That new. It’s the first time you have said so. I have said quotes multiple times, but this is the first time you have objected to it. I guess you’re trying to distract from the tactic by changing your story and going down this grammar rabbit hole. Might as well shine a light on that one, too.
So, you’re using the marks to indicate that something has been omitted? Because that’s all apostrophes are good for.
That’s false. I already identified your obfuscation.
No, you haven’t used it that way, either. If you keep changing your story like this, it just continues to show how dishonest your tactics are. We all know you mean to indicate that the word doesn’t actually mean what it would normally mean. At least admit your game.
Clearly. Most people would be too embarrassed to continue with it, though.
I'm not 'objecting' or 'distracting', I AM 'shining a light on' your mistake.
Again, I can post however I damn well please.
No and everyone can see that for themselves.
Another non-responsive deflection.
That is false.
I don't have a 'story' Tacos and I have no intention of defending my post against YOUR interpretations.
I note that you are avoiding answering my simple question.
How is it dishonest Tacos? Be specific.
Who are this 'we' you pretend to speak for?
AGAIN, HOW does placing apostrophes around a word change it's meaning?
If you can't answer that question you're just whining and posting personal comments.
That makes no sense!
I do it all the time - to make something stand out - or to quote within a quote - it doesn't change the meaning or kill credibility.
You made it up!
What's your game Tacos?
What's to be embarrassed about?
It was criminal. There weren't any votes to be 'found' That's exactly what the former occupant of the White House wanted!
Nothing was legitimately 'lost'
The twisting and spinning is unbelievable . . . . . .
So what you’re saying is Dulay and others are using the marks to communicate the idea that the word “find” shouldn’t be perceived as it normally would be. Good. That is what I have been saying all along. But for some weird reason, Dulay won’t admit it.
I see you agree with me on what is being done to the language.
No one has said that they agree with your proclamation that the meaning of a word is changed because it is surrounded by quotes or apostrophes.
Oh and BTFW, I note that you acknowledge everyone else's reason for MY use of apostrophes EXCEPT mine.
Oh and if you ever get past the obsession with the word 'find' perhaps you'll stop deflecting and respond to the Trump statements that I quoted 2 days ago.
You're correct. No one agrees with Tacos! except Tacos!.
new york, georgia, I don't care who fucks that criminal up as long as somebody does.
I think at this point it's an almost certainty.
I don't care either way, but it's entertaining to watch trump try and divert all RNC small donor cash to himself while the GOPers take the nothing to see here stance. useless fucking morons.
Too funny, Trump doesn't want the RNC to use his name to raise money, he wants it sent to him, RNC says, nope we are going to use your name.
it has the potential to make the nothing to see here fascist civil war a lot more hilarious.
"I don't care either way, but it's entertaining to watch trump try and divert all RNC small donor cash to himself while the GOPers take the nothing to see here stance. useless fucking morons."
The morons keep contributing to that gold plated turd and the money is going right into his pockets. Those small dollar donors are his base. Useless fucking morons indeed!
I hope he has to spend time at Rikers Island...
... with his jump suit around his ankles, every day, for the rest of his life.
I would prefer Devil's or Anthrax Islands.
Once a thief; always a thief. Much like being a child molester. It's a compulsion.
Rudy Four Seasons for the defense...LOLOL Oh hell, throw in Sidney Powell and Lin Woods, ''The Three Stooges''.
I have a feeling old rudy is going to DNF well before he gets through the full legal process.
What does DNF mean?
I was going to say "Die Mother Fucker" but that ain't right
did not finish.
Rest well friends, play nice.
The fact that there are recordings, as there were when he admitted he delayed doing anything decisive about the virus because he didn't want people to panic, and they will be important because he cannot say he was misquoted, and his tone of voice will help to establish intimidation. He is SO naive, a characteristic also exhibited by those who support him. I can understand supporting conservative principles, and in fact I think some conservative principles are beneficial, but how can anyone support that buffoon? My advice to Trump supporters: It really IS possible to change horses in midstream - I did it and I'm not a deity, so can all of you. You're mind isn't in jail so what is the porblem? Is it like meth or heroin and you are so hooked it's impossible to cut yourselves free? I truly feel sorry for you if you've encased your brains in concrete.
Me, too, Buzz. One conservative principle I like is limited government. That's not to day I don't like some regulations, like clean air and water, but I think some regulations are overreaching.
You're mind isn't in jail so what is the porblem? Is it like meth or heroin and you are so hooked it's impossible to cut yourselves free? I truly feel sorry for you if you've encased your brains in concrete.
Trump supporters here are demanding "proof", saying allegations don't stand up in court, exactly the opposite of their ranting about election fraud and "stop the steal"....GOPers and their selective/short memories.
Hypocritical oafs
There are RICO cases against him now. Very fitting. He's been a gangster/grifter/thug/thief his whole life.
This just in....
When the Washington Post actually makes a CORRECTION to their previous lie, it's an ground breaking situation.